Deus Ex

Level design

>>377394961
Not even nostalgia goggles I played it for the first time last month.

First time in years I've been unable to pull myself away from a game. The soundtrack would be repeating in my head as I went to sleep and when I closed my eyes I'd imagine the levels.

Felt like being a kid again.

>>377394961
>AI
C'mon, it's not that good.

That being said, it's in my personal top 5.

Deus Ex sucks dick

even old Duke Nukem games were better

>>377397320
It's very obvious that you just wanted to bump this thread.

>>377397269

I meant improvements in AI systems in general, not that Deus Ex AI was good.

>>377397434
Oh, sorry man.

>>377397424

OP here, that wasn't me.

>>377394961

reminder...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_CBF318nBY

>>377398491
This is hard to watch.

Never forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mStZna-4AE

>>377397068
This, just because your a shitter OP doesn't mean everyone else is.

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Am I supposed to lose this fight against Gunther?

>>377399020
My bad I thought your post was an argument, I just woke up.

>>377399063
Yes

>>377394961
DTS ruins it.

>inb4 throw it away

they're everywhere later on. I hate having to purposefully gimp myself.

>>377397068
I'm similar, I bought it for myself about four months ago, having had no information about it other than that it was a sci-fi RPG. I died a lot but had a huge amount of fun with it.

I think a lot of it is to do with how the levels are so open and free-form, there's a lot of different ways to approach a problem and there's no really "correct" choice. For ultimately being linear it does a good job of feeling like it's not.

Also it's one of the few games where stealth isn't boring and doesn't suck.

>>377399543
>there's no really "correct" choice
Not only that, but the dialogue and stuff changes based on how you do shit so it feels like every way you do something feels correct.

>>377399063

Gunther in battery park?

I didn't fight him until the Cathedral.

>>377399063
Did you run away from Paul?

>>377400216
He's invincible in that fight, you're meant to lose and they strip you of your items and dump you in the MJ12 base on Liberty Island[/spoiiler]

>>377400435

I didn't even see him there I don't think. I got killed outside Paul's apartment and taken to the MJ12 base.

Everywhere I went it kept saying a German was around but I never saw him until the Cathedral in Paris.

>>377400315
yeah I left paul.Went through the subway and killed Ana.

>>377394961
What a shame. He was a good man

>>377394961
E.Y.E Divine Cybermancy

>>377394961
Because the people tasked with doing just that are Canadians, forced to work under Square Enix. Worst case scenario.

>>377394961
this outdated garbage has been topped a million times. virtually unplayable by today's standards. grow the fuck up grandpa

>>377402480
Best goy.

>>377394961
The level design of the new Prey reminded me a bit of the level design in Deus Ex. It feels more Deus Ex-y tha the Eidos games.

>>377399208
>DTS ruins it
What? I enjoyed running around invincible and backstabbing everyone.

>>377399070
>shit posting in your sleep in defense of good games like it's as much a part of you nature as breathing
my nigger

It's a great game, but not really in my top 5
I took a break this summer after reaching Paris and now I feel like I've forgotten the gameplay mechanics and can't continue

>>377401193
meme game

>>377403729
>this summer

>>377394961
great game. finished it for the first time in March this year. a bit too long, the story is ok tier, but gameplay, level design is perfect, overall its my greatest gaming experience. it reminded me how fantastic cyberpunk can be and currently im going through gibsons trilogy.

>>377398491
don't want to derail the thread so if you don't want to get mad don't read
how the FUCK could a pro-Trump channel post a video like this and not see the irony at all? do they really think a billionaire real estate mogul isn't part of the plutocracy?

I wish they could remake invisible war on the dxmd engine with bigger maps and proper gameplay, because the story was fucking great.

>>377404080
Last summer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNUNx319UCM

NUTATCO?

>>377397068
>>377399543
had the same experience a couple months ago.

makes me wonder how many other old PC games are really good.

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>>377394961
Something about the turn of the 21st century and early ventures into 3D had developers then thinking on a really innovative level. They had masterful classics to look back on that elevated mechanics and game design, but then were free to elaborate on said design in a more cinematic and immersive way. That said they captured the spirit of the "immersive sim" or FPSRPG well.

>>377406456
Not many. I did the same with SS2, and although it's a good game it's not better than a 7-8/10
Gonna do the same with Arx Fatalis soon and see if I feel the same about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gT_fZHnpag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gT_fZHnpag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gT_fZHnpag

>>377403729
i remember feeling the same way after taking a break, but everything is actually pretty easy to understand so just go for it.

>>377406735

Have you played the first System Shock? I'm giving that a try next.

A BOMB!

>>377406820
No, I'm actually gonna wait for the remake. The controls seem really clunky, and that's coming from someone who enjoyed Gothic

>>377406590
>Halo

Halleo reddit

>>377404695

And that the guy who made the game and wrote all this stuff was Jewish.

>>377406918
it's easier than you think

feel free to wait though

>>377394961
deus ex has a certain je ne sais quoi to it

>>377406918

They do take some getting used to but I love the aesthetic so far.

God, I've played this game so many times. Deus Ex is the best game of all time. 11/10 masterpiece that still hasn't been surpassed.

>>377407026
That's called Kino

Teams get given millions, have the best software and equipment you could once only only dream of and they still can't top a game made in 2000.

It's fucking embarrassing.

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>>377406987
Warren Spector was mocking us

>>377407137
That's called a retard.

>>377407518
That's called a bully.

>>377394961
It's actually mind-boggling how shit games are now. I literally cannot find something to play. Consoles and phones have ruined gaming.

Which ending did you guys pick?

dance ending is reddit tier before anyone says that one

>>377408012
Huh?

>>377404695
you're fucking retarded, just because youre rich doesnt mean you're part of the NWO cabal. thats classist marxist thinking. it's not a conspiracy of rich people, it's a conspiracy of competition-hating luciferian globalists

>>377407379

>us

>>377406965
Having a seizure there?

>>377404695
>>377408328
the guy who made that video is a total complete retard though, didnt notice it was THAT video

>>377394961
Bad gameplay honestly. Wasn't even as good as other games that came out the same year (like Perfect Dark).

>17 years later
>absolute fucking retards calling Prey better than this

Kids have taken over this board

>>377406590
Halo was console babby's first FPS and a steaming pile of shit. Doesn't belong to that pic. Try the first Unreal.

>>377408590
Perfect Dark is not an RPG.

i really need to play through this SS2.

do they need mods for modern OS's?

>>377408804
No. The Gog version runs without mods.

>>377394961
Soul

>>377403729
Pretty sure if you got that far you wouldn't be able to forget enough of the mechanics to literally not be able to progress. It only gets better from there.

>>377408731
Actually it was incredibly well made, with a number of systems employed to make it both easily digestible and immersive, more than just a mechanical twitch shooter, with awesome vehicle physics, awesome AI design, awesome story direction, etc. but thanks for sharing your fairly lousy opinion.

>>377399063
#1: that's gunther

>>377408748
That's not an excuse to have shit gameplay honestly.

>>377399063
sadly yes
you were supposed to be able to kill him here and escape to hong kong but they ran out of time
staying with unatco was also supposed to be a possibility

>>377408997
It has good RP gameplay. The decisions you can make in the game, which provide in world feedback to, are part of the gameplay. The action side of it is average, sure. Overall it makes it better than something like Perfect Dark unless you just don't care about RPGs.

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>>377394961
My primary issues with Deus Ex are that the gunplay isn’t good, enemies aren’t interesting, the stealth isn’t good, the hacking/lockpicking are one dimensional, there isn’t a significant platforming/area traversal element. Dialogue basically never constitutes a good gameplay challenge, and Deus Ex isn’t an exception there.

On the level of simply the game living up to what it is,the game doesn’t really care if you go lethal or nonlethal in any of the missions (after the third one it stops tracking the difference completely). The overall story arc is completely linear, you always have to betray unatco, you always get captured by gunther, you always break out of unatco, go to hong kong, infiltrate versalife, etc, etc. There are tons of invincible NPCs in many of the levels, especially the early ones. You’re required to kill multiple NPCs to proceed (even if there are clever workarounds for all but one of them).

I went into Deus Ex thinking, “Wow, I can do anything.” After learning more about the game, I realized, “Wow, I can’t do anything.” My opinion on the game changed over time as my opinions about what made a good game or not became more refined. Deus Ex isn’t deep. There’s a lot going on, but none of it is interconnected, meaningful, or challenging. Deus Ex is just a bad game.

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What would happen if Page got merged with Helios?

>>377409409
That's not a good pasta, lacks spice that "dullest" past has.

>>377409409
sounds like you listened to all the memes about deus ex and formed an opinion before you actually played it. everybody talked about the 'nonlethal choice' but it was pretty much just one comment Paul makes because he's an undercover terrorist

>>377408947
No. It was shit. It added nothing new to the genre, aside from shitty cancerous mechanics that plague it up to this day like regenerating health (shields) and 2 weapons carry limit.
Half Life had far better AI, and far better story. And it told its story without the use of cutscenes that break immersion. So did many other hybrid fps games like System Shock 2.
If you want vehicles go play a fucking race game. Vehicles in FPSs absolve no other function other than being a gameplay filler mechanic.
The only type of player that praises halo is the shitter that played is first fps on a console. You know nothing about the genre, as you never played it when it was in its golden age (late 90s).

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>>377409409

>>377409451
A single old man, running the world. A new age.

>>377409621
It's just the truth.

>>377409409
gunplay is fine when its leveled up. hacking lockpicking is simple as it should be, fuck annoying minigames. there is plenty of traversal, in fact its one of its strongest points, youre just a retarded pleb with no creativity. dialogue is great, and meaningful npc interaction is not exclusive to dialogue options like in other games

do you really care that much about being graded? what is this, middle school?

you have shit taste

>>377409409
Stale pasta is stale.
You forgot or revised the part about "over multiple playthroughs". Perhaps because of my earlier comments?

>>377394961
Sony wont make Ape Escape 4

>>377409870
The game is just a collection of poorly made gameplay tropes, it's not challenging, good to use, or fun.

>>377410019
Nah

>>377410096
Nice argument.

>>377397068
>Reddit spacing

>>377410019
>gameplay tropes
Huh?

>>377409689
>It added nothing new to the genre
Why is this always the go to shitty excuse to dismiss the game with, as if it even means anything? It means nothing. Halo as an experience was unlike anything else prior.

>Half Life had far better AI, and far better story
Story part is very subjective and I overall disagree, enemies don't drop weapons and they are less charismatic in Half Life. You're probably thinking purely in terms of challenge here but challenge is not what made Halo so great, being an exciting game world to be in was.

>If you want vehicles go play a fucking race game
Nice other "rebuttal" you cunt.

>>377410118
It's not really an argument when you only say "it's bad"

>>377410019
you have to go back

>>377410335
I don't think i need to point out how fucking awful the gameplay from this game is. Did you play it? It's like you're playing a special needs person.

>>377409689
>Half Life had far better AI

>>377410456
Nice argument.
:^)

>>377410456
>Did you play it?
Yeah, but I played past the first level.

>>377410456
>It's like you're playing a special needs person.
anon i have some bad news...

>>377410165
Translation: he sucks dick at the game and has no personality so he read some tvtropes and wiki's to come up with a way to dismiss the game.

>>377395307
I like the hub levels in Deus Ex. They're quite open and not that big, so you could quickly go where you want to, and there was always something to explore

GMDX is great.

I tried to get into it, but I just can't get a hold of the gameplay. If I try stealth the baton just miss every time and if I try lethal I just get destroyed immediately.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JKF0IYwhrjk

Best conversation in the game. Illusion of democracy in corporate plutocracy vs. an openly totalitarian state that allows financial independence

>>377412430
>baton
What the fuck? Just use the stun gun or a knife. Anything than a shitty baton.

>>377412430
literally, and I'm not even memeing right now, but get gud faggot

>>377412430
Stick with the prod
but seriously, aim for the back, not the head

>>377413443
Literally nothing wrong with a baton.

>>377397068
Yeah I just played the game for the first time a few months ago. It was really great, silly how I played all the games except for the first.

did you guys liked HR? I liked it, not that much but I thought it was pretty decent

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>>377406987

>>377394961
Not even gonna look at the replies to this because I don't want to lose hope for humanity by seeing edgy underage faggots shit talking this game.

If Deus Ex was a person, it would be old enough to pretend to be 18 on 4chan.

What a rotten way to die.

>>377408328
>has goldman sachs employees in his cabinet

americans are so blinded, he's literally no different than any other president other than the fact that he shitposts on twitter

>>377414540
>b-b-b-but h-h-hillary would be worse!

>>377394961
dab

>>377414540
I think Americans' almost religious faith in the power of their vote is the main way the average citizen is controlled. If the political winds start changing, they change the ad campaign for the same power.

Right now TPP is sold as the anti-xenophobe, anti-nationalist to a future utopia. But if that gets to threadbare I can easily see it going back to "we need small gov and no regulation."

We're 100% black.

>>377410157

I left for a couple of hours and come back to this reply to a post I made.

I've never posted on reddit and I've always written like this on 4chan for a fucking decade. It's called making your posts readable instead of a wall of text no one is going to bother reading.

Now suddenly it's reddit spacing? This is a new low and I've seen a lot of bad times on here.

>>377413084

Yeah this was really good. I also liked the one with the weird AI in the back room of the Illuminati guys hideout.

Finding cool shit like that was such a good feeling. You could complete the entire game and miss so much stuff.

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>>377416308
Me too.

OP here, just going to add something I thought about after playing this.

I realised that I started out doing a non-lethal approach as that's how I usually play games that give you the choice. As the story went along I started getting angry and felt betrayed so got more and more violent; as I started to trust less and less people I started killing without hesitation. The game manipulated my emotions so well that it changed the way I played it. That realisation was when I realised the true greatness of the game.

tl;dr: this game actually made me feel. I thought this would never happen again and that I'd grown out of being moved by vidya I'm 28

GMDX fucking when
5 fucking months over schedule, release it you fucking autist fuck

>>377417430
Just drop dev an email for beta.

>>377403729
There is a learning curve if you take a break, mostly due to akward controls.

The game does not get better after paris

>>377418128

How do you mean it doesn't get better?
Just wondering not saying your opinion is wrong.

>>377394961
>doodsex best game ever XDDD
I want this meme to die.

>>377414056

>/pol/ is so mad that Deus Ex was made by a Jew they have actually trawled through interviews to find an off hand quote and made this picture to somehow prove that he didn't have that big a part to play in the 'red-pilled' storyline.

pathetic.

>>377418738
>muh
>pol
>obsession
Back to pol you go.

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>>377418738
>implying im from there
Ever seen the old concept art? He didnt draw but you can see the game had another mood, its clear he had help (and for the better).

>>377418620
>The need to feel pleasure was once satisfied by human beings. Now, we can implement the same functionality with hands.

>>377420105

Dude Sex

>>377410234
>Why is this always the go to shitty excuse to dismiss the game with
Because it is true and not an excuse. Halo looks fantastic only to those that never played an atmospheric or story-centric fps before. Which means everyone that got to play it when it was released as one of the flagship xbox exclusives. Because before that, there where no similar games... ON CONSOLES.
Pc on the other hand had plenty of games like that. Some where pure FPSs (half life, Unreal, AvP, Dark Forces), other where hybrid FPS (System Shock, Deus Ex).
Halo did to FPS what WoW did to MMORPG and Oblivion did to RPG: streamlined the genre to appeal the lowest common denominator and turned into

>Story part is very subjective
It isn't. You can like the content of story or not, but the way it was executed and presented is something that can objectively evaluated. Halflife was action packed, yet it had a fantastic story, which was narrated not trough cutscenes, but scripted events that didn't break the flow of the gameplay in any way.

>Nice other "rebuttal" you cunt.
There is nothing to rebut. Vehicles in a FPS are a non-necessary additional gimmick. Alone they aren't enough to call a game "great". Halo did vehicles greatly, duh... too bad it did everything else like shit and killed the FPS genre, turning it into a shitfest of consolized slow-paced turds with regenerating health, few weapons and mary sue space marines in power armor.