The great debate

>>377393746
don't rattle the beast's cage, anon...

P5 is fun.
Tales was never good
FFXV was shit

>>377393746
It's already in order of best to worst, also how is FF15 on this list?
I'd put Gravity rush, Nier, and Nioh here.

P5 best gameplay, Berseria best writing, FFXV best disappointment.

>can't talk about how bad FFXV is without you-know-who sperging out

>>377393930
persona has the best writing by far you weeb sperg.

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>>377393746
The only XV is winning is biggest piece of shit.

Say it with me boys and girls: P E R - S O - N A

FFXIV is legitimately one of the worst games I've ever played. I cannot understand why anyone enjoys it.

>>377393746
Berseria because it's on PC :^

That's pretty much the ranking.

>>377394582
>weeb sperg
hmmmmmmmmm

>>377393821

These XV-kun posts always make my day.

>>377393746
1 of these is the greatest rpg of all time
2 of these are anime kawaii uguu wish fulfilling garbage

There is no debate to be had here

>>377395980
So none of the above then

>>377395971
>2 classes at once
GOTY

Missing something between P5 and Berseria, Nier.

>>377396171
It's in a category of its own, plain unfair to other games in the list.

How can anyone like a visual novel high school dating sim that has basically no gameplay and story?

>>377396169
Makes the game even more easy than it already is though.

I wish that when they remastered these games they'd buff bosses too.

Berseria was a fucking mashfest. Way too easy, would be great if it was harder.

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P5 > FFXV = TOB

You WILL not prove me wrong, phaggot.

nier > berseria > p5 > ffxv

only put berseria over p5 because the series has been so shit for me lately and that game made me love tales of all over again.

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Since gameplay is what matters
Tales > xv > persona

>>377393746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXlbhVVB7BU

>>377396248
too deep for you

>>377396558
Now i can agree with this. Localization when?

>>377396550
>Since gameplay is what matters

>being a ''I need to fit in'' cuck

>>377396626
>Being a mad persona cuck

>>377396345
>Yiazmat
>56 million HP
>buff him

I like the sheer ridiculousness of it having 112 million HP.

>>377395971
>>377396169
Looking forward to it, though not sure when I'll pick it up. Splatoon 2 is gonna take its place in my July vidya game budget.

>>377396721
Thankfully you can beat him without touching the controller.

>1 GOTY contender vs 2 okay games

Really putting my grey matter into overdrive here.

>>377396848
My deluded acquaintance who enjoyed FF13 to the point that he will defend it as a good game hated FF15 with a passion, if someone with taste that bad was shitting on it I can only imagine the actual state of it.

>>377397018
XV is legitimately worst than XIII, it's not even a meme.

>>377397116
>>377397018
13 was so shit it made me rethink parts of my life, mostly the parts involving buying consoles and awaiting new FF instalments. How do you make a 'game' worse than that?

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>>377397242
>How do you make a 'game' worse than that?
You make the Sonic 06 of Final Fantasy.

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>>377393746
P5 is great, Berseria was fun, and I have yet to play XV. I do want to play XV though, considering I'm someone who's drawn in by the new combat system.

>>377393746
debate for shittiest game?

P5 for gameplay, Berseria for story which feels like the last thing I'd ever say about a Tales game but I am, haven't played XV yet but I'll get back to you on that down the line

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Beseria's gameplay is trash and downright embarrassing in some areas. Story has its problems, but it's way better than all over the place P5's story, which feels written by a teenager who was bullied by some adults. Characters are miles better in Berseria since you know, they actually develop.


I would say P5>ToB>FFXV when it comes to the complete package because even with the shit story P5 is still solid.

>>377398798

FFXV is a horrible piece of shit and why the fuck are you people even defending pressing and holding O to see a movie play out? Nah. P5 & Tales were a lot better

>>377399101
>which feels written by a teenager who was bullied by some adults.
The entire social ideology of Japan makes those who bully and pressure the only ones with any true freedom. Everyone else just succumbs to an almost social nihilistic communism that everything should just be tolerated, abandoned, or ignored.
But of course /v/ is as bad as tumblr in applying upper middle class college kid viewpoints onto others.

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>>377393746
XV>P5>Berseria

Finally finishing up the last of these three right now. I don't even know how to rank them since they all kind of disappointed me.

Tales had the most engaging gameplay.
Persona had the most style and polish.
FFXV had the best OST I guess.
All of them have mediocre to awful writing.

I guess I'd say Tales was the best since I at least had fun mashing buttons during fights.

>>377396248
Shitposting aside, I'm genuinely surprised that people are praising Persona 5 so much. I never played any of the other ones, but I found the game rather dull. I wasn't actually sure I played much of a game by the time I finished. The dungeons were so short and so easy. You're given so much time to prepare for something that you can do in one day easily. I spent like 80 hours on the game, and maybe like 15 hours involved actually playing. The rest of the time was just me reading through generic anime dialogue to max confidants or social stats.

>>377393746
XV was great.
P5 was shit
Tales was worse.

>>377393930
P5 has no gameplay it's a fuckin dvd menu, easily the biggest disappointment. never listen to /v/ weebs

>>377394650
There's more gameplay there than either of the other two games OP mentioned has.
>>377394983
Yeah 14 is, 15 is one of the best though.

oh look this fucking thread again

>>377399907
>Tales had the most engaging gameplay.
I don't get you people. Berseria gameplay was downright a disaster, even the battle system itself was a step down from fucking Zestiria and Xillia.

>>377395331
With the best on the right side.

>>377399101
>>377400140
come on now, it wasnt THAT awful, it was flawed and messy, but at least it was a new idea and characters aren't 1:1 copies of each other.

>>377397018
XV is objectively better than 13 in every way. Ff13 was made for the persona crowd
>>377397116
kys
>>377397393
Hey antikun still ignoring that Luna holding Noctis happens after the fight and the fight themselves are not even the same? Already invalidated.

>>377400140
Gameplay wise Berseria is definitely the best JRPGs we've seen in a long while. It's fast paced, the sub-systems are all useful and work together with each other, they cleaned up the input scheme on movement a lot, and the move assignment and general combo dynamics require a lot more planning ahead for how you plan to handle situations.

The blast and soul systems are complements to each other. Using your R2 break soul attack builds blast while using mystic artes or character switches builds soul. Generally beating up on enemies can steal soul from them as well whereas blast seems to build overwhelmingly slowly (or even not at all) if you don't spend soul. Some characters (most notably Velvet) seem to really get into a rhythm of alternating resources to always have something ready to spend whereas others (like Laphicet) are generally happier just stockpiling soul and relying heavily on normal artes. Starting with 3 soul can sometimes be a problem though; since soul is basically CC, you really want to hover at 4 or 5, but if the enemy group makes gaining more hard, your options narrow annoyingly.

Also co-op itself is very functional. Once you have multiple controllers on and connected, you can just turn characters to manual and use them directly. Unlike the previous few games, all players have equal access to all options.

>>377399358
Persona 5 is press options to win. Go fuck yourself.

P5 > Tales > dog shit > XV

>>377393746
Ape Escape 4

>>377400349
go fuck yourself you dumb hick, if you actually ever used options to win, FFXV is probably the right game for you anyway.

>>377400309
Sorry, I didn't know that gameplay meant exclusively battle system. Too bad the equipment system may as well not be there, dungeons suck and fields are awful.

Even the battle system suffer from massive Ballance problem, I played at hard and 90% of the game is a stunfest/r2 spam except hyperarmour bosses. The game is even worse than Zestiria where at least some enemies could be challenging.

>>377400283
Except FFXIII offers multiple layers of strategy during combat by providing a variety of methods for enhancing damage, a separate set of methods for enhancing survival, and strong interactions between defensive and offensive play. It offers more layers outside of combat with various possible team configurations, thousands of relevant paradigm decks, numerous equipment options, some resource management, and a bit of character development. XV, on the other hand, is holding a button to autododge, occasionally toss bland elemental magic, never die because you are immortal with items, and watch QTEs against some of the worst bosses in any video game.

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>>377393746
FFXV > power gap > dog shit > P5 > the other game

>>377400464
P5 is so braindead that you can breeze it with options. holding just O in XV you will die

all weebshit

P5 > Tales > FFXV
>FFXV delayed KH3
>KH3 might be the same quality as FFXV
SHIT SQUARE ENIX

>>377400140
>>377400473
I mean, don't get me wrong. I wasn't enthralled with Berseria's gameplay. In fact, I haven't really loved a Tales game since Vesperia. I just think it was better than Persona 5 or FFXV.

Like other people have said, Persona 5 may have a lot of polish, but like 90% of it barely constitutes as a game. And the last 10% of the game (dungeons) are okay but nothing special. If you aren't obsessed with the high school anime simulator stuff, Persona 5 isn't really all that fun as a game.

As for FFXV, I'm pretty certain Square Enix just spent all their time making a pretty world and nice music before tacking on gameplay as an afterthought.

>>377400349
wow, what a retard.

>>377400660
FF13 offers no such thing, it gives you an autobattle and that's all you press while just swapping between 6 movepools, three of which are next to useless, you will never die if you have evem just 1 medic role. There is no exploration, no NPCs to talk to, no memorable locations, no likeable characters or anything in FF13 with bland forgettable music. Meanwhile XV has it all in spades with fantastic party members who are all likeable, amazing villain, memorable locations and great dungeons in a world that feels like one, with more methods of going about a battle because you have more weapons thus more attack types than 13. There is more equipment and stats in XV, far more focus on offensive and manual defensive for real time enemies with some of the best enemies in FF and easily the best most input required for a single player FF through attack combos where you are rewarded for tapping, plus weapon switching, warping and warpsrike, parries, counters, aerial combat and directional inputs, magic, buffs, party techs etc, and the most impactful summons in the franchise, the OST is absolutely god tier and the ending is the best FF ending yet

ffxv > tob > p5

>>377400473
>Even the battle system suffer from massive Ballance problem, I played at hard and 90% of the game is a stunfest/r2 spam except hyperarmour bosses.
It really depends on who you play. Velvet is flat out broken.

>>377403053
I play on Eizen and the game still easy as piss, don't pretend other characters aren't broken.

>>377393746
P5 > Tales >>>> shit >>> XV

>>377403619
Eizen can actually die in combat as opposed to Velvet

>anime games

trashman.jpg

>>377397116
Nice meme

Berseria is the better one.

>>377399907
Persona fans don't care about gameplay, you can barely call them gamers at all

Do people actually play the tales games? Like it's just a joke right? I played one and it was incredibly bad, and I've see people play a few others and it seems they're pretty much just rehashes of the same game.

>>377400021
xv-kun plz

>>377405282
>I played one and it was incredibly bad
Which one ? Symphonia is pretty bad now.

>and I've see people play a few others and it seems they're pretty much just rehashes of the same game.
Not really

>>377393746
P5 > XV > Berseria

All were good despite /v/'s memeing.

>>377401174
How to cop of noodles taste xv-kun?

>>377403889
Only Persona is anime and fucking terrible anime at that

>>377405545
>I've never played a Tales game

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>>377405282
The average Tales game has more content, deeper and more nuanced combat and more fleshed-up characters due to skits and a longer script in general than any FF. Having party/skits as a tool means that the characters will get to interact with the world more with the world further fleshing up characters and setting by default, which is something that just never happens in FF with the possible exception of IX.

>>377393746
>One runs like shit because PCbros think playing BoTW is worth funding more than P5 and that the Cell Processor is a bitch to emulate (henceforth no backwards compatibility on the PS4/Pro )
>One runs decently on a mid-range rig
>The other exists solely as a private build running on a GTX 1080

>>377405626
With the exception of maybe Graces none of them have deep or nuanced combat.

>>377405614
There's a difference between anime (like taking inspiration from Berserk as ToB does) and ANIME, like taking inspiration from haremshit and cliche'd highschool crap like Persona does.

>>377405614
I have and they were all better than P3, 4 and 5

>>377393746
XV > P5 > shit > Tales

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>>377393746
Objective conclusion

P5 >>>>> ToB >>>> shit >> FFXV

>>377393746
XV is legitimately better than both of those.

>>377405797
>taking inspiration from Berserk
>BERSERK
So either you're shitposting or you've reached xv-kun levels of delusion. Berseria is shonen shit down to its core, like every other Tales game.

>>377405418
Symphonia is the best. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's bad, kid.

>>377405626
Really because the one i played had some of the worst writing I've seen in a jap game.

Even the literally translated P5 has better writing. Unless I played a particularly bad entry, I can't imagine any of them have even mildly interesting characters

>>377405802
Vesperia is the best and it's on par with Persona 3, aka the worst playing of the nu-Persona games.

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>>377405797
>(like taking inspiration from Berserk as ToB does)

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>>377393746
15 > the other animu

>>377405797
>>377405797
Persona is more berserk than the other two games though, i mean it is literally about demons.

It mainly takes inspiration from jojo though, considering it literally has stands in it.

You know exactly why you made this fucking thread.
Sadly it worked

Fucking XV fags stop shitposting P5 and Berseria DX

>>377405896
The combat is slow and the story is shit.
Dungeons were good however.
I may have overexaggerated it but Symphonia's not as good as people make it out to be.

>>377406039
>Persona is more berserk than the other two games though, i mean it is literally about demons.
So is Berseria.

>>377405626
The characters can be as fleshed out as they want. They are all forgettable and cliche and too similar with a few exceptions.
Also the gamplay is always the same while FF is known for changing things up to make every game more unique.

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>>377393746

>>377406039
>i mean it is literally about demons
you didnt play berseria did you?

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ToB - 200 hours on clock and still playing it. One of the best games I've ever played in my life.
XV - got fooled by SE. Never buying FF again. Tabata is a nigger.
P5 - didn't play yet, I expect something good from it

>>377406153
>>377406181
The tales of games are all low quality, low budget garbage. I waned to see what people think of XV vs. P5, not watch a bunch of autists jerk off over the lastest pumped out pile of shit.

>>377393746
persona was boring as fuck and the whole dynamic was shit once makoto joined, it's just highschool drama and beating up the town crook. berseria was just generic by the numbers fantasy. xv felt like a genuine friendship in a strange yet familiar world so it stood out the most. even if unfinished it still was far more enjoyable because it had the best group dynamic of the three.

>>377406243
>one of the best games I've ever played in my life
So you're 11.

>>377406173
>metacritic suddenly matters
Back to neogaf with you.

>>377406327
Almost 26

XV-KUN STOP SAMEFAGGING!

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>>377406324
>The Makoto shitter is a XVfag
You can't make this shit up>>377406324

>>377406243
Talesfags have no taste, what else is new.

>>377406428
What?

>>377406370
>When XV was released and had a good meta score
>>haha Antis BTFO
>AFTER the score was lowered
>>M-metacritic doesn't matters!

pottery

>>377406482
>the whole dynamic was shit once makoto joined
I know who you are. You couldn't explain your reasoning before and you can't now

>>377406525
Nope, metacritic never has mattered, you can stop with the revisionism.

>>377406316
I am very, very tired of everything that P5 has to offer me. I'm tired of self-insert protagonists being rewarded, even worshipped by a cast of underdeveloped waifu bait characters for no good reason, I'm tired of half-assed social links that exist in a state of subservience to the overarching plot, and I'm tired of fucking fighting god at the end. I sunk 110 hours into this game, and I can't say it was worth it. All I felt after spending all that time on P5 was a sense of overbearing fatigue. Any given subplot (say, Eleanor's character arc about her learning to question the system she's a part of) in Berseria is far more nuanced, and, dare I say, relevant, than anything that Persona 5 has to offer. But since Persona is the darling of the media and gaming fanbase, it's the one that gets time in the limelight. Also, the dungeons aren't as good as they're made out to be; there's never really a brain-bending puzzle that stops you in your tracks or a devious trap that sets you back in any meaningful way. This single screen is more challenging than anything in Persona 5's dungeons, and it's just one part of the third to last dungeon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iet-dBT2G7Q

Berseria is actually fucking well-written on both a macro and micro level, with great care paid to every aspect of the storytelling that shows itself in the consistency of the characterization and narrative goals. It also has real action-based gameplay with things things like stepping for positioning, the different levels of break souls, tag combos, a plethora of mystic artes with different conditions, OTG setups, juggles, and trap setups which have been a thing since characters with mine-like attacks starting to popup more often now. And while the graphics lack detail and some of the dungeons suck, overall Berseria's variety in things to see, and key aesthetic moments make it a game that comes off more visually memorable to me overall.

>>377406606
What? Makotofag pls, she's an uptight bitch

>>377406879
Nice pasta, you shit eater. Talesfags are like the CODkiddies of weeb games

>>377406986
I don't see any argument

>>377397463
It's much better than Berseria. Can't say that here though.

>>377407075
If only they had 10 bucks instead of just 5 bucks to spend on berseria, it could be good.

>>377407231
But it's not though, P5 is the most overrated and disappointing game of 2016/2017

>>377393746
Is this the holy trinity of overrated weebshit?

>>377407280
They're about equal in terms of production values. P5 has higher quality music and art style, but Berseria has better cutscene direction, animation (both in engine and the anime cutscenes), and more voice acting.

>>377393746
Berseria

>>377407352
Do you even have reading comprehension you anti-P5 shitter? He was saying that XV was better than Berseria.

>>377407567
Can you really blame someone for not being able to fathom the possibility of a person being so stupid that they think FFXV is better than anything?

>>377407360
But FFXV isn't anime...just Japanese. It has Brotherhood tho.

>>377406243
>200 hours
How, i thought i did most of what the game has to offer and finished it in 80 hours

>>377406934
Nah, she was never like that and you still haven't explained how she ruins group dynamic

>three bad games

Fuck... do I really HAVE to play one of them?
This is unfair

>>377406324
>the whole dynamic was shit once makoto joined
Eh every group needs a straight edge member, Yusuke could have been that had he not been too eccentric and Ann was too airheaded.

>>377407907
Well surely you've play one of the other games in these francises. Just play the one you're the most familiar with.

>>377406879
Maybe it's just your subjective taste? I enjoyed P5 while I found Berseria to be one of the weakest tales games, that's my taste, I won't try to pass as something objective

Persona 5 and Tales of Beseria were the best games so far this year.

>>377407352
I'm not even a Mass Effect fan and I know Andromeda is the most disappointing. Although for me personally that award goes to Gravity Rush 2. Most overrated is probably Horizon. It's actually decent but scoring 8s and 9s is crazy.

>>377408108
>self insert and waifubait
>somehow not objectively bad

>>377408072
No thanks.
Persona has never been good, would rather play SMT.

Tales of is Neptunia tier trash.

FFXV is a travesty and just further proof that FF has been dead for a while now. I could just play a good FF game instead like VI, VII or IX
In comparison to XV even X and XII would be great.

>>377408252
>like VI, VII or IX
>skipping the best one

>>377408252
This man speaks the ultimate truth

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>>377408252
You sound more like a guy who just doesn't like video games. I find it hard to believe that not a single one of those games were fun for you. You should probably quit this hobby.

>>377408252
shit taste galore

>>377408343
This.

>>377408354
He said he likes SMT, so he definitely likes video games. Bad ones, but still.

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>>377408252

>XV makes XII look good

oh no I've just bought XV for £15. If it makes XII look good I'm absolutely fucked.

Fuck sake

>>377408540
XV is much better than XII. It's not very good but it's at least better than that turd.

>>377393746

I own them all and they're all fun, fuck off.

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>>377408540
XV is a million times better, don't worry.

>>377408621
>>377408732
You aren't even trying

>>377393746
I like all 3.

Tho I must say...

Persona 5 = Tales of Berseria > FFXV

>>377408540
Whatever you do dont exclusively use the terrible magic system to cast expericast and then sleep in the expensive hotel for 2-3x experience. Game is piss easy in the first place then this obvious strategy for efficient levelling absolutely breaks it.

>final boss is hidden level 46 or something close
>party is level 83-84 by the time I get there
>the entire game all along has just consisted of autopiloting to destinations then holding the hit button until it's time to pause time to get off a totally free heal
Letdown of the year. The broship is good, the fapbait is present and it looks good but God what a disappointment mechanically

>>377408540
Dude chill, you payed £15. I payed like £40. Don't regret it but still.

>>377408540
The full game isn't even out yet
You done fucked up

>>377409067

I probably should've done some reading or some shit. How can you release an unfinished Final Fantasy?

XV is worse than No Man Sky, it only sold well because of agressive marketing and false adverstising.

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>>377409435

When you compare 2 completely different games

No Man's Sky literally had none of the content it was advertised as having

>>377409541
>No Man's Sky literally had none of the content it was advertised as having
same as XV. Every single trailer doesn't represent final game, except for pre-release one which was in final demo.

>>377409435
It's LITERALLY worse than Hitler!

>>377409435
Wouldn't go that far, but brand names can go a long way. Even if XV turned out to be the worst game ever or if FF7R will be garbage people will still buy it because it's FF

>>377409541
XV is unironically more falsely advertised. Any trailer for the game before March 31, 2016 is flat-out not part of the game minus two scenes

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>>377395775
Nah, XV-kun is a creepy faggot that ruins any conversation going on.

>>377393746
What's up with 2016's jrpgs' obsession with red and black?

>>377408540
It's okay dude we all make mistakes.

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>tfw we will never get proper 2013 FFXV

>>377393746
Story and characters: Berseria
Gameplay: P5
Backstreet: FFXV

>>377409829
He always talks about how he just wants to talk about the game and how everyone is a shitposter yet all he does in these threads is say stupid shit or insult people that don't put XV on top because surely that must mean they hate it or him.
He's uanble to just say "I liked it because of this and that" He just comes here to shit on others that don't like it as much as him and thinks everyone in the world is attacking the game. Worst shit that happened to /v/ in years

>>377408252
XII and X is best games in the series, i dont know what are you talking about XIII-drone, go back to gamefaqs.

>>377408540
It's well worth 15 bucks. It's not a bad game at all, just not was was promised, the huge hype around it made it a disappointment.

>>377408232
How is it inherently bad?

>>377394582
>best writing
hahahahaha

>adults are stupid!
>we will change the world by making adults confess their crimes!
First boss:
>hahahaha im so powerful everyone is my slave!
>lets go make that stupid adult confess his crimes!
Second boss:
>I AM THE GREATEST, EVERYONE IS MY SLAVE!
>wtf this adult is stupid!
third boss:
>ahahahaha money is great it can make everyone my slave!
>what the fuck!? this adult is stupid!

goty, 10/10!

seriously, this game was beyond shit writing wise

Can someone tell me why XII was actually bad?

I remember playing it and not liking the combat and because I kept avoiding fights the Judges fucking murdered me.

Was it actually a bad game or was younger me just a fucking retard?

>>377393746
>Persona 5: good, makoto best waifu
>Tales of Berseria: good, huge improvement from zeshitria
>XV: absolute dogshit, i hope tabata and his daughter get fucking murdered

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>>377409934
>duuuh hey guys, you know this thing I can't have and have no idea what it would have bee like if I had it? yea that is so much better than this thing I have, I wish I had that

I hate people.

>>377410237
that's a bit much anon

>>377409371
It's not literally unfinished. They just changed a lot from the demo and people say they cut stuff. Same thing happened with BioShock Infinite and the gameplay and story they drastically changed.

>>377393746
Tales of Berseria because its the only one that can be played on the superior platform which is PC

>>377410240
I've seen enough gameplay trailers under Nomura during Versus and early XV. Tabata ruined everything.

>>377410189
So you only reached the third palace? And each palace boss represents a sin

Kamoshida - lust
Madarame - vanity
Kaneshiro - gluttony

so it's not like it's the same thing thematically

>>377410343
>and people say they cut stuff
Well, yeah it kinda happened, they basicly admited it themself. And Bioshock infinite also had tons of gameplay stuff cut or reduced to shreds

>>377409829
>conversation

Granted, the long autistic rants about XV being the best game ever do not help, but the "conversation" is mostly a circlejerk of fags that never even played it.

For example: "press O to win" meme. If someone actually played the game they would complain about being unable to die as long as they have consumables or having the option to warp to the wall without any penalty anytime you want. Actual huge problems the game has instead of a meme.

>>377410240

If a company sells and advertises you complete lies and you know somewhere there's a proper half developed true version you're right to complain m8.

Somewhere there's a finished article of Mass Effect 3 that makes sense and isn't using sprites. We're allowed to be mad that the finished article was poor in comparison

>>377393746
Persona 5 is heavily overrated but still decent by JRPG standards.
Berseria wouldn't be accepted if it wasn't for Zestiria's mediocrity. The writing has its moments.
I don't like to think about XV. Too much wasted potential.

>>377410112
How is it not inheritly bad?

>>377410235
Every FF after IX is the worst game ever, because autism.

>>377410539
XIII and XV are actual garbage, without memes.

>>377410237
>XV: absolute dogshit, i hope tabata and his daughter get fucking murdered
Edgy.

Also Sadayo > Makoto. And Velvet > both.

>>377410582
>>377410539

I really didn't enjoy XIII outside of Sazh. I like X though. Except for that fucking Kimahri fight

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1. Persona 5
2. FF15
3. Tales

>>377410431
Yeah but every game has to cut stuff. Developers should always keep shit to themselves otherwise it's "hurr durr we could have had this game instead of what we got"

>>377410590
>And Velvet > both
Persona 4 velvet sure. Margaret best girl.

>>377410667
Sure, but that's exactly why i won't stop disliking the cuts. Not having a playable invasion and a good prolouge chapter in insomnia is the worst decision ever

>>377410667
The problem with XV is not that they cut stuff, its because they didn't repalce that cut stuff with anything. Its just a game without a story and characters. You can literally reject all characters except for Noctis and Ardyn from the game and it will play out the same way.

>>377393746
P5 > Tales of Berseria > FFXV
This is a fact, you can't argue with it.

>>377410396
>B-but seven deadly sins, so d-deep, just like Atlus's cock inside my anus!

Okay fuckboi.

>>377410396
I realize what they were going for, it was just beyond stupid when it turns out the same as the last one. I got bored with the game by the cruise ship dungeon, who buy the way also sees everyone as being below him and his slave.

the burger guy sees everyone as his slaves as well.

the cop chick and the neet chick were the only two that didnt. the writing was stupid and lazy

How much content in Berseria?
I miss old day when you have bunch of shit to do for cosmetics. Now everything is DLC.

>>377410856

The cruise ship dungeon is objectively bad and has honestly soured the entire game for me. I can barely bring myself to finish after this fucking shitshow of a dungeon

>>377410235
Because it's cool to fit in and hate the same things everyone else hates without judging them for yourself.

>>377410898
>How much content in Berseria?
>Now everything is DLC
You answered your own question.

>>377408794
>>377409435
getting desperate there

>>377410478
Because there is nothing inherently bad about it? It's not like it's the only thing the game offers

Beseria was good, still had some repetitiveness and the dungeons were still trash but had decent gameplay and skits were great. The crafting or upgrading thing was interesting at first but it becomes so mundane after a while you don't care for it. The thing about P5 thought is that there is always something new to do or find each day so it stays fresh throughout the whole game until NG+ that is then you have to sit there fast forwarding through shit. FFXV lmao

>>377410926
Ship is great dungeon, its not the game fault that you are shit at video games and overall have a shit taste.

>>377409665
But that's wrong. All the 2016 trailer stuff is in the game. 2013 cg of Regis was redone and moved to kingsglaive. 2013 trailer wasn't even a Tabata trailer it was a Nomura one. Tabata trailers all showed legit gameplay and the trailers literally have a disclaimer at the start saying they are subject to change too.

>>377410986
That sucks.

>>377411213
It's boring m8. "DO 5 MINIBOSSES"
"LOOK AT THESE DUMBASS MOUSE PUZZLES SO DIFFICULT THAT A CHILD COULD DO THEM"

just boring innit

>>377411213
every dungeon was linear bullshit. its a step up from other persona games because its not just some random layout with the same color scheme 20 times then a boss fight, but they were mostly all pretty boring.

>>377410839
>seven deadly sins
Not even. They use the original nine from the bible.

I didn't say it was "deep" either
>>377410856
When the original teaser itself pushed the slave theme hard on you, a smart person would have expected the game to tackle these issues with it's antagonists. Clearly, you aren't one tho

>>377410926
Maybe you shouldn't have tried to complete it in one day. Thing is massive

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>>377411306
>PUZZLES SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFICULT REEEEE

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Thankfully we have Xenoblade 2 to remind us how shit all three games are.

JRPG of all time coming up. From the masterminds behind Xenogears, Xenoblade, Chrono Trigger and classic FF. Monolithsoft are legends.

>>377411370
Yes they are. Try playing a real JRPG that isn't a dating sim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iet-dBT2G7Q

>>377410189
>adults are stupid!

every persona game to date

>>377411083
The characters basically the main draw of Persona as is the general concept. The game isn't a rpg, the protag shouldn't be nothing and the characters shouldn't be disegenuinous and pandering.

>>377411490
Xenogears is unfinished mediocrity, and Chrono Trigger is a boring piece of shit, dressed up by layer after layer of visual polish and what I like to call "setpiece" presentation. When you strip away CT's (admittedly stellar) surface level presentation elements, you're left with a shallow husk of a game. "Classic" FF games are grossly overrated and casual. Xenoblade was decent.

Not exactly the best sell you have there Anon. And the XC2 trailer was shit, those designs are an abomination.

>>377393746
Artorias was a good guy
Shido was right
Ardyn did nothing wrong

>>377411509
play this outdated shit by yourself

>>377409764
Wrong. Niflheim base trailer from January 2016 is in the game. Duscae footage from 2014 is in the game because duscae is in the game. lestallum is in the game. behemoth hunt are in the game. parrying titan is in the game, fighting MTs on a road in duscae is in the game. fighting garulas in duscae is in the game. fighting goblins in faciough cavern is in the game. the malboro swamp is in the game. driving to caem is in the game. all the area from Episode Duscae is in the game and upgraded. cidney is in the game they just moved the scene from duscae gas station to hammerhead mechanic shop. same with Noctis putting on the ring while looking determined it happens in the time skip, and his line "thanks for everything dad" is when the regalia dies.

the only thing from 2014 footage not in the game was a 3 second cg shot of airships going to Altissia and the 4 secomds of some red area. the only thing from 2015 not in the game was some of the dawn trailer scenes, that trailer itself is still canon anyway. all the gameplay and story scenes stuff from 2016 is in the game. even part of the Omen trailer is. and the redone Regis vs iedolas scene from Kingsglaive was put in the game too

>>377411612
>The characters basically the main draw of Persona as is the general concept.
I agree
>The game isn't a rpg
It is though
>the protag shouldn't be nothing
the protag is (you)
>and the characters shouldn't be disegenuinous and pandering.
It's not like it's the only thing they are

>>377411650
Scared Persona drone found

>2017+2-2
>STILL pushing the FFXIII is shit meme

it's not 2010 anymore you retards, you can stop pretending now

>>377409934
XV we got is the proper XV.

Cant help but think all the Persona games would be better if they were marketed as a VN and had h-secnes

>>377409991
And all you fucking do is whine about me defending the game from retards spouting blatant lies about it

>>377410237
Kill yourself you edgy piece of shit. XV is objectively better than both of those games.

Does this guy even sleep, he was in a thread 14 hours ago, 10 hours ago, 6 hours ago and now this and it never leads anywere.

>>377411871
Show me where all of this is in the final game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcUSXub_ypU

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>>377410380
Fuck off dickhead, Tabata improved it while building on the foundation. You have no fucking clue what you're even talking about.

>>377410582
No XV is legitimately the best FF. XIII is trash.

>>377411876
Okay then.

Persona 5 is easily the worst Persona game.
Tales has always been garbage except for one game every decade.
Final Fantasy XV was so utterly disappointing it made me question my enjoyment of video games in the first place.

>>377410810
Idiots like you just prove even how none of you fucks complaining about XV even played it.

>>377412004
>b-but muh different battle system
>b-but muh linearity
>b-but muh annoying characters
>b-but muh female MC
>b-but not my dark and edgy FF instalment

is there a more cancerous and toxic hater than the XIII hater?

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Maybe OP should have mentioned giving non-meme reasons on why you prefer a game or not, after reading this thread.

>>377411370
No reason to have them if they aren't.

>>377412457
No, that's way too hard for these people. OP knew exactly why this thread was made.

>>377393746
what's there to debate?
GOTY
shit
SHIIIIIITTTTTT

>>377401797
>autobattle

So you never played it? As expect from 15 kun faggot.

>>377412165
Guess you can't read. that's a Nomura trailer when he was still director and that footage itself is just from a tech demo they build at the citadel and then recorded footage and put it in the trailer. That area and those enemies all still in the game. The 2013 Altissia stuff was all cg mocked up to look like gameplay. You can blame Nomura for that. Read what I said earlier. Tabata trailers were all real gameplay and I mentioned exactly what new footage from Tabata's trailers changed to the final game and how how the vast majority is in the game. Again look at the disclaimer at the start of the trailers. work in progress, may change.

>>377396540
When will the action rpg meme end?

>>377412662
You clearly havnt.

>>377393746
Oh its this thread again. At least change one of the games faggot.

>>377411490
Pffffft hahahaha

>>377412673
I could have sworn you said a while ago that the 2013 trailers where already Tabata trailers

>>377412673
>that's a Nomura trailer when he was still director
Oh, that must be why it's so much better than anything in the final game.

>>377412327
>Persona 5 is the worst Persona game
Objectively false

>>377393746
P5 was good, never played any Tales games and XV managed to be disappointing even though I had no expectations for it to begin with.

>>377412807
He has indeed said that. He likes to flip flop depending the situations

>>377412880
just because its the best persona game doesn't make it a good game

>>377393746
I still enjoyed P5 but Berseria has much better characters and story.

FFXV is dogshit.

>>377412971
Yes but that isn't what he said

>>377412807
No, the 2013 announcement trailer was a Nomura trailer. the insomnia footage from the 2013 gameplay trailers was from a prototype tech demo build Tabata was tasked with heading but that was a trailer made by the same guy that did the 2016 Niflheim base battle footage. Nomuras trailer used the CG Altissia mocked up to look like gameplay and some of the prototype tech demo insomnia footage.

>>377412821
Woah, sick burn.

>>377412971
He said it was the worst persona game.
And the game itself is good. If you don't like the persona series, fine, but they've made 5 games, obviously people like them

>>377412821
It isn't, all of it that Altissia stuff in the 2013 trailer was completely cg mocked up to look like gameplay. only the insomnia stuff was from the prototype build and things Noctis does in that like warpstrike, attack combo, weapon switching, magic, parries are still in the game with the same animations

>>377401797
>with bland forgettable music

you aint shit for this

>>377413070
P5 and berseria are the definition of dogshit. XV is god tier.

>>377412204
Except the game looks nothing like the bottom faggot

>>377413239
they've made like 20 final fantasy games too, doesnt mean over half arent dogshit

obviously people like shit, whats your point?

>>377413323
Do you even like anything that isn't FFXV? You always give others shit for "shitting" on FFXV, but you do the exact same shit for any game that isn't FFXV
You know it's possible to like more than one thing at a time right? Pro Tip for the future

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>>377413336
Yes it does, I literally recorded that footage myself from my own copy. Keep bullshitting though.

>>377393746
All three are shit.

>>377413406
Yes I do. Do you always cry when you fucks get the shit you spout sent back your way?

>>377412204
>improved
>no double jump
>no machine guns, shotties, or bazookas
>no Magitek Armor to pilot
>Armiger is now 'hold the button' and can kill bosses at Lv 1 with a single use
>magic and summons far below KH1's mechanics

The fuck is the debate? Did Berseria and FFXV have good soundtracks or something?

Or are we debating art styles?

I don't get it.

>>377393746
As much as I love Final Fantasy, Persona 5 is way better than XV (I'm one of those few guys who really enjoyed XV)
Tales is shit.

>>377413336
You didn't even play the game did you?

>>377413447
>Nomura's super early version
>bulky and low to the ground, making it easy to hit
>Tabata's
>tall with skinny ass hurtboxes and shit hitboxes

>>377413520
Not really, since i liked all of the games
A concept that is too far fetched for you

>>377412204
bottom looks like shit xv-kun. its literally just jump hold O for airdance, while top is actual magic\double jumps, not to mention all this happens in Insomnia. Also Noctis constantly losses hp and dying.

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>>377413546
Airstep is better than double jump, so is warp strike.
Machine guns, shotties and bazookas were never ever shown in gameplay at any point, just because Nomura mentioned them in a single interview and never heard or seen since or even prior means nothing.
And how does that impact anything when it moves a million times slower than Noctis and just shoots rockets like some of the turret guns in the Niflheim bases do.
The combat is not only still using the same exact animations and actions with the same speed and hit timing but XV also can go far more faster than we ever saw Versus being played, and you can tap to attack so fuck off with the holding meme complaint.
You can tap to attack and there was never any indication that input didn't always have holding
Magic and summons are actually useful in XV unlike in KH.

Eat shit SBK91 you havnt even fucking played XV.

>>377413228
>burn
I literally didn't know the 2013 trailer was Nomura's work, I assumed Tabata took over immediately after the renaming. Now its relative quality makes more sense.

>>377413595
It's just one of those threads where you have a war between fanboys

>>377393746
http://www.strawpoll.me/12995544/

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>>377413731
It's the same exact fucking weapon swing animations for regular combos and the hit boxes are exactly the same on both
SBK91 are you so fucking retarded that you can't even tell those are different mechs being fought and one is simply bigger, not that there smaller ones too?
Fuck you really havnt played XV at all.

>>377413595
NieR soundtrack is easily the best, eventhough Automata is far inferior than the Original, still, the best soundtrack in recent years

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>>377413815
bait

>>377413630
I beat it actually retard

>>377414130
Nah, I thought so till P5 came out, but they're pretty neck and neck for me, which surprised me greatly.

Furi also had a fantastic soundtrack and that was only last year. Other than that though, I guess soundtracks have been weak in comparison the past few years, sure.

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>>377412126
>Kill yourself you edgy piece of shit
>Kill yourself
>Edgy
Here's your (you)

>>377413741
Except the bottom is tapping to attack exactly the same way as on the bottom one, airstep is better than double jump as is warpstrike. Magic instacasts in both which you'd know lockon plus tapping O when selecting a spell insta casts it to the target. You also don't seem to notice that the cuts in the top are clearly more spread out over the footage and is during the intro when Noctis is at his lowest level and stats, while the airship stuff in XV is in ch11 which is just a few hours away from end game and those are just the same regular grunts. Eat shit, XV is objectively improved

>>377414135
Literally shit compared to Ramuh.

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Man i hope i'll never take videogames so seriously that i tell others to kill themself because they don't agree with me

>>377393746

>P5 was excellent but I still don't get why it's so widely praised. It's 50% rpg, 50% social simulator.
>Tales of was NEVER GOOD WTF putting in a league with the other 2 !
>FF XV was a hard game to get into but it's really good.

>>377393746
What debate?

>>377393746
>The great debate

what the fuck is a tales of game doing there ? it should have been nioh or Nier A.

>>377415204
>action games
>on a JRPG list
What?

>>377393746
FFXV > P5 > Tales
All 3 of them were mediocre though

Pretty sure all those XV posts are just one guy samefagging.

>>377415280
>What?

it makes more sense than putting AAA games production wise next to a B game that belongs to the PS2.

>>377393746

VA who worked both in Berseria and FFXV are in P5. Persona is also just a much better game in every sense.

>>377415515
See >>377407398

>>377415280
>FFXV is on there

>>377415469
All the edgy ones, yeah.

>>377415469
Pretty sure all those P5 posts are just one guy samefagging

>>377415469
pretty sure all the anti XV posts are one guy samefagging

>>377413815
>Airstep is better than double jump
>Airstep and Warpstrike
>move on horizontal plane
>double jump
>movement in vertical and horizontal plane
No.

>Machine guns, shotties and bazookas were never ever shown in gameplay at any point
And this excuses leaving them out? I thought Tabata improved everything?

>never heard or seen since or even prior means nothing.
Except that Nomura was working on putting them, like character switching, and Tabata dropped the ball.

>And how does that impact anything when it moves a million times slower than Noctis
>he thinks Nomura's mechas would be at all similar to Tabata's shitwalkers
XV kun, pls.

>The combat is not only still using the same exact animations and actions
>no spinning lance attack
>no warping to ceilings to kick enemies over
>Armiger wasn't just spazzing out

>but XV also can go far more faster than we ever saw Versus being played
>Versus
>virtually no downtime after a weaponless warp
>XV
>recovery period
Nope.

>You can tap to attack
Which is absolutely pointless in Armiger.

>Magic and summons are actually useful in XV unlike in KH.
Cure.

>you havnt even fucking played XV.
I wish I didn't.

>>377414102
>It's the same exact fucking weapon swing animations for regular combos and the hit boxes are exactly the same on both
>doesn't know the difference between a hit and hurtbox
Wow you are retarded.

I liked them all well enough.

They certainly aren't favorites though.

>>377414603
Ramuh can't kill Lv 99 enemies at Lv 1, Simba can. Not that you actually know what Simba does.

>GOTYAY compared to literally what and the shitty FF game

Hmm.. Tough one

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>>377415601
>See

No, putting a tales of in the same league as the other games is in itself provoking. It's a series barely above disposable jap kusoge.

If anything the great debate is pic related. And I don't even like zelda.

>>377416437
BotW is a good game with some big flaws, FFXV is garbage.

>>377416437
Just because P5 took forever to come out doesn't make it AAA you fucking sperg. As stated already it has barely any voice acting (compared to full voice acting in Berseria and XV), every cutscene is from a static angle with clunky PS1 animations at best, runs at 30FPS, and has barely any environmental variety.

>>377393746
Where is KH3? Its surely coming out soon.

...right?

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>>377416818
Release window/date announcement at E3

>>377416608
>FFXV is garbage
>306 posts, 113 posters

yeah you said that before. and I don't even want to defend the game because I don't think it needs defending, I just want to point out that some of you people are literally Sanic tier fans. You are obsessed and you sperg out for no reason.

>>377416859
ok

>>377416851
I can't believe they revive freezer in super to make him a "good" guy

>>377416667
>Just because P5 took forever to come out doesn't make it AAA you fucking sperg.

You are right, a game taking forever to make doesn't make it AAA. The fact that it's AAA makes it AAA.

P5 is very addicting, and Tales of Berseria was surprisingly fun too. FFXV was incredibly bland/boring, and as soon as I beat it, I got rid of it. I couldn't even bring myself to do any post-game or sidequest stuff.

>>377415927
>move on horizontal plane
Warpstrike targets enemies on any plane and any altitude be it on the ground or in the air, which has far more reach than a double jump does and takes you right to the enemy. Airstep lets you move either left, right, backwards or vertical. Which you'd know if you had played it. Not to mention you can always do a warpstrike after having jumped too or do a warpstrike right after airsteps, while you wouldn't be able to do a double jump after you already dealt aerial attacks to an enemy because a double jump requires you having jumped, while you can do an airstep to go above them even when attacking, or warp strike to target other enemies plus also terrain.

When they were never shown in the game to begin with then what the fuck are you shilling them for? You are literally just shilling empty words you fucking faggot, none of Nomura's trailers even showed use of machine guns, shotties or bazookas by the party so you are once again fucking wrecked, if it was never shown or even bothered to show it then what would it even improve anyway?

Except Nomura has never released a game with actual on the fly character switching, while Tabata has, Tabata knows the drawbacks of what it does which is why they instead focused on improving weapons and manual weapon switching, while in Versus weapons were all auto switched only.

We literally fucking saw the mech in the 2011 trailer and it was slow as fucking shit, you can fire more rounds from a stationary rocket launcher turret in the Niflheim bases than was shown on the mech walker in the 2011 footage.
SBK91 fucking please stop embarrasing yourself you blind fuck.

>>377417113
HOW DARE YOU HAVE AN OPINION

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>>377415927
>no spinning lance attack
There is, the spin attack was moved to a tech command for Gladio's greatswords but it's the same spin attack, doesn't matter if it's on a lance or a greatsword when he's spinning around the grip regardless.

>no warping to ceilings to kick enemies over
That was never in the game, that was a CGI trailer mocked up to look like gameplay. Any Altissia footae from 2013 was not actual gameplay. Fucking idiot.

Armiger is doing the same thing it always did, circle around, defect projectiles and stab enemies on its own while active.

>virtually no downtime after a weaponless warp
There is no downtime at all from a weaponless warp because it's instant to neutral position. You literally have not played the fucking game.

>Which is absolutely pointless in Armiger.
And you apparently know that Armiger didn't always have a holding mechanic somehow?

>Cure.
No one cares, just use potions.

>I wish I didn't.
You havn't even touched it SBK91.

>>377416017
You clearly don't know anything about hitbox and a hit, you can literlaly see the hitboxes on the soldiers and even their damage animations are exactly the same as they always were, as is Noctis's basic attack animations. Once again SBK91 you are a fucking retard.

>>377416608
BOTW is garbage compared to XV

>>377417104
>AAA
>with that lack of voice acting
>with those cutscenes
>with those animations
You're delusional. It's one of the lowest budget games I played this year.

>>377417267
Is the sword made of plastic?

>>377417113
>P5 is very addicting

it's a great game. I've been playing the series since P3. but for the life of me I don't understand how this series because more popular than the mainline games. half the game is literally a social sim and the rpg part is pretty basic. I'm not hating I just don't get the excitement. am I getting older ?

>>377417562
No, cardboard.

There's no debate though.

P5 is objectively a better game than the other two. Better writing, better direction, better art. Tales is the typical generic anime JRPG that can be fun but sadly it's way too easy. XV is just a buggy mess. You're comparing a well done job with two other rushed projects.

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>>377393746
Velvet!

>>377417319
kek
You really do hate every game that isn't XV.

>>377417602
>dating sim haremshit
>good writing

>generic turn based combat
>good gameplay

>cluttered anime vomit
>good art

I chuckled.

>>377417626
>You really do hate every game that isn't XV.

no him but I think he was parodying anti-XV kun.
Zelda was criticized like very other Nintendo game for outdated graphics but it never had a Sonic tier fanbase FF has.

Most people here probably haven't even played Berseria and judged it based on the reputation of past tales titles.

>>377417147
>Warpstrike targets enemies on any plane
Targeted warpstrikes only go in one direction, towards the enemy. Double jumps can go anywhere. This isn't rocket science.

>Airstep lets you move either left, right, backwards or vertical.
Show it repeatedly shooting up over an enemy, and being able to shoot you straight up without an enemy nearby. Because if it can't do that it isn't the same as a double jump (which it isn't anyway due to be limited to movement in one direction).

>Not to mention you can always do a warpstrike after having jumped too or do a warpstrike right after airsteps
Neither of which replicateds a simple double jump.

>while you wouldn't be able to do a double jump after you already dealt aerial attacks to an enemy because a double jump requires you having jumped
>XV kun doesn't think you can pause between jumps and doesn't know what jump cancels are
Holy shit.

>When they were never shown in the game to begin with
They barely showed anything in Versus, does that mean it was never worked on?

>then what the fuck are you shilling them for
Good weapons as promised by Nomura. Why didn't Tabby deliver?

>You are literally just shilling empty words you fucking faggot
>Nomura's words mean nothing anymore
Oh, I guess it wasn't game over when Noctis died in Versus either.

>none of Nomura's trailers even showed use of machine guns, shotties or bazookas by the party
What's your point? That because he didn't show something he was stated to be working on, he wasn't working on it? Do you not grasp these things take time?

>if it was never shown or even bothered to show it
But confirmed to exist.

>what would having more interesting weapon types improve
It starts with a 'c' and rhymes with 'wombat'.

>We literally fucking saw the mech in the 2011 trailer
5 years before the game was released and 2 before the next gen upgrade. Are you suggesting shit doesn't change, like how Tabata cut neat guns?

>>377417847
As if the Tales series actually changed over the years.

If it did was for the worse.

>>377417817
>anti-XV kun
Not every single person that doesn't like XV is anti-kun

>>377417847
>Most people here

Fuck off ! I still fucking hate tales of shills, ever since the PS3 gen I fell for their shit and wasted so many hours playing this mediocre franchise.

started with xillia, it was fine desu, nothing I hadn't played before. "it's the worse anon, play this and this and this" I actually do like a total tard. IT NEVER GET ANY BETTER, it's B tier mediocrity all over.

fuck off with your copy paste franchise forever.

>>377393746
I has been long since I played something that clearly was released without finishing development as muchs as FFXV, the fact that some people defend this it's simply amazing

>>377417847
I will play it eventually, i still have P5, Berseria, Nioh and thousands of other games. That said the last Tales games i enjoyed was Vesperia

>>377417147
>Except Nomura has never released a game with actual on the fly character switching
Because he got yanked off Versus before he could finish it.

>Tabata knows the drawbacks of what it does which is why they instead focused on improving weapons and manual weapon switching
Is that why they dropped fun weapon types and made almost all directional inputs shit?

>while in Versus weapons were all auto switched only
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/28/director-nomura-talks-similarities-between-final-fantasy-xv-and-kingdom-hearts/

"According to Nomura, it was originally set in a way where weapons would automatically switch according to the combo structures. This has since then been changed, allowing players to have the option to select their own weapons at all times."

Nomura had already changed it, it wasn't Tabata's idea.

>>377417267
>the spin attack was moved to a tech command for Gladio's greatswords but it's the same spin attack
>same attack
>different weapon
>requires a resource
Come again?

>That was never in the game
Except when it was shown in a gameplay trailer.

>Any Altissia footae from 2013 was not actual gameplay.
>specifically called a gameplay trailer
Ok XV Kun.

>There is no downtime at all from a weaponless warp
There is a brief pause chaining them, something that didn't exist in Versus.

>And you apparently know that Armiger didn't always have a holding mechanic somehow?
Yes, because it's shown to function completely differently in the old trailers before Tabata turned it into 'press the button'.

>No one cares, just use potions.
Potions are a permanently consumed resource, unlike MP, can't be used in the air and don't have Leaf Bracer invincibility. Care to try again?

>You havn't even touched it
I've bested it at Lv 1. Have you?

>>377393746
Since I only played Berseria with 300 hours and still going, I'm gonna say Berseria. Haven't played the other 2 and probably won't.

>>377418157
>started with xillia
kek

>>377417267
>You clearly don't know anything about hitbox and a hit
>a hit
>when referring to hurtboxes
Can you read? Inb4mindlessparroting

>you can literlaly see the hitboxes on the soldiers
I wasn't talking about the soldiers, I was talking about the mecha. Nomura's were bulky and short, making them easy to hit. Tabata's are skinny and tall, having Noctis flail around them like a retard trying to land something.

>>377417319
Lynels are better than any enemy in XV by a huge margin. BotW also has interesting utility weapons, decent hitstun, manual evades and stark differences between the three primary weapon classes.

>>377415565
No, you're delusional.

>>377393746
Theyre all pretty shit but I think FF15 is the worst

>>377418683
Not an argument

Only fucking retard will defend released version of XV. Any retards in thread?

>>377393746
let's debate three games that have nothing in common.

>>377419393
Back to your dating simulator, retard.

>>377418595
>kek

FUCK YOU. that's exactly the bullshit I fell for 5 years ago and wasted a tone of hours. your copy paste franchise is the definition of mediocrity and totally unremarkable.

>>377419460
Why dating simulator have great battle system compared to not dating simulator? Care to elaborate. XV-kun, you can memeing as much as you want, but any person with atleast half of a brain will recognize how shitty XV battle system is.

>>377410189
It's not like Berseria is any better
>"I use people as tools"
velvet literally says this multiple times in like the first 5 hours what happened to show don't tell