When will vidya devs realize that pandering to SWJs isn't

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>>377390000
Disney Marvel was a mistake.
The MCU was a mistake.
Bendis is a duck.
Cyclops was right.

>>377390000
But it works in video games. It gives them positive exposure. They're also not as blatant as comic books about it. Including a single black female into a game to get some SJW brownie points doesn't turn your core audience away. This board might throw a hissy fit about it but the casuals don't care about female multiplayer characters in cod or whatnot.

>>377390234

AAA sales have tanked in the past 3 years.

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>>377390000
The problem here isn't diversity, it's shittily implemented diversity. So basically yeah pandering to SJWs.

Compare and contrast female Iron Man and female Thor to female Question and female Wolverine.

>>377390000
they are already learning anon

the problem they have is that being social justice friendly gets them a shit ton of free advertising from the mass liberal press, but gamers don't want to buy it

the key is to do what blizzard does and pretend you're a big sjw game while not really being one, since sjw don't play it anyway it doesn't matter too much if you lie

>>377390000
Diversity isn't the problem, it's shoehorning shit in for the sake of it.

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>>377390000
Nice quads.

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>>377390000
Correction: We didnt want shitty forced diversity.

We already had a Muslim hero named Dust and she was badass. She was her own character. As opposed to Ms Marvel who you replaced Carol for and acts like an annoying Tumblr selfinsert

>>377390000
>majority audience is white males who like seeing white girls with big tits or ripped white dudes for a power fantasy
>make all your characters into skinny non-white boys and girls
Waaaaaaaah, why won't anyone buy our comics?!

>>377390402
>majority audience is white males

but anon, gamers are dead and gamers don't have to be your audience

>>377390402
But, but 60% of people who buy games and comics are women, some poll said so!

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>>377390000
If it's a new character I wouldn't mind If they are White Black Asain or Gay. but forced diversity by changing the old character like this is fucking stupid. although the new Hulk guy is pretty good

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>smartest person in the marvel universe is a black little girl

What is up with people and white guilt?

>>377390000
>Have existing characters that are black
>Don't use them
>let's just make these iconic non black characters black and say we're diversifying.

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>>377390000
Funny how they admit it now that Soros sold his stock and bough some Netflix ones.

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>>377390000

because most game devs are SJWs themselves

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It wasn't diversity that was the problem. It was everyone was so boring and had lame stories except for Ms Marvel

>>377390528
>new Hulk guy is pretty good
You need to KYS

>>377390000
https://archive.fo/wurnq
Says this:
>Blaming readers for not buying diverse comics despite the clamor for more is a false narrative.
Then says this:
>why should we bear the full responsibility for keeping diverse titles afloat? Non-diverse/old school fans could stand to look up from their longboxes of straight white male superheroes and subscribe to Moon Girl.

It's the cishet white man's fault.

>"People didn't want any more diversity, they didn't want female characters out there"

No, EXACTLY THIS is what people don't want. They don't want to be told how fucking horrible they are because of their gender/skin color.

It's NOT that people don't want diverse characters, vidya and comic characters always have been diverse, people are pushing back against political agenda.

>>377390234
My policy since 3 years is to not buy anything remotely pandering to SJW and negroes, that meant sometimes consuming medias that are quit old but happily there is more than enough for a lifetime.
I see enough niggers in real life everyday to not want them shoehorned into my escapism.

>>377390686
he's way more fun to read than Banner. if you actually read it

>>377390000
> be a small niche industry surviving solely on the autistic purchasing power of nerds
>go ahead and insult that niche little market sounds like a good plan yeah?

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>>377390642
>western devs

Pfffff hahaha

I think I may have a brilliant idea. How about they start utilising the female characters they already have, or just makes new ones instead, rather than shoehorning them into pre-existing male roles? How do I think this shit up!?

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>Come into your hobby.
>Tell you how fucking despicable you are.
>Declare you "over".
>Fuck with the things you love just for the sake of fucking with you.
>"lol why u mad? why no buy our stuff?!?! you sexist? you racist? wtf?"

>just skin changing prominent Marvel characters when there are already cool accurately portrayed black heroes like Black Panther and Luke Cage
i don't get it

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>>377390678
That image makes me sad. Someone should destroy Earth 616 once and for all.

>>377390316
That has more to do with AAA games being hot garbage regardless of pandering.

look up anything about Miss America. it reads like it was written by an alternate dimension version of CWC except instead of autism and not being gay it's more focused on diversity and being gay.

>>377390815
>all male icons must be female at some point
>this tactic doesnt have a vice versa
Seems like a fatal flaw in balancing the gender ratio

>>377390596
This.

The classic iconic superheros were basically a already proven formula that works and prints money. But sjw somehow decided that they have to fuck with that formula. So now it doesn't print money anymore.

It's sad how sjw have to ride on the tailcoats of already established iconic superheros instead of creating their own.

>>377390000
It is not a diversity problem, but black people aren't really into comics, so they don't sell as well.

>>377390802
What makes Banner great is his alter ego as Hulk. Banner is Banner and Hulk is Hulk. The 2 sides wrestle control over one body. Cho's hulk is literally just a beefed up Cho. Cho's hulk even fucking uses gadgets. There is no rage. No hulk smash. If I wanted to read a comic where someone beats up others with banter, I read spiderman.

Why don't they force this diversity in the movies?

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>>377390000
they will realize it when it will be to late for them to save their studios
they should learn from japs, they do gay shit all the time and it works for them

>>377390982
really?

>>377390000
you can't make that claim when video games don't push for diversity as hard as marvel
wait until mario finally becomes a lesbian muslim

>>377390642
Didn't anita state numerous times she doesn't even like games and barely played any?

I fucking love how many suckers listened to her.

>>377391065
the funny thing is reading that fucking line made me think that damn feminists are ruining everything

>>377390993
At least jap comics have a fucking conclusion. They know when to end a story.

>>377390815
Because writers want acknowledgement. Sure, Marvel could have used Lila Rhodes, War Machine's neice if they wanted a black Iron Girl, but then you couldnt take credit for her creation, which is super important in the day of movie and TV deals, so the writer makes up a new black girl so he can have sole credit.

>>377390000
It has nothing to do with "diversity", it's just shit writing which uses diversity as a crutch. Also I think comic book sales would have fallen regardless because physical written media is on the decline in general. The power of the internet.

>>377390976
Banner is always failed as a character.

so it's just Hulk who rely on cross-over to be relevant for 99% of the time.

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>>377390000
They don't care. It annoys me to hell they ruin a franchise but still exist because you got dumbasses recommending this horrible game

> Cap murrica
> iconic superhero for generations
> prints money for marvel
> sjw comes in
> suddenly recants generations of history and lore just to make cap murrica a NAZI
> sales plummet

hey guys, it's diversity's fault this shit isn't selling anymore.

>>377391065
so where's the original Thor?

>>377391065
>Don't want to lose job making comics
>Make comic while calling out for help

>>377390591

You do realize reed richards exists right? Or hank pym? Iron man wasnt ever shit compared to those 2.

Unless theyve been replaced as well then whatever

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>>377390591
it was a nod to this girl

>>377391213
ask me if I'm even going to pirate this shitty comic

DC always wins baby.

>>377390000
>People didn't want any more diversity, they didn't want female characters out there
for fucks sake

People didn't want 1-dimensional characters getting shoehorned everywhere because muhhh diversity.
People didn't want characters that sound like a bunch of random quotes from tumblr
People didn't want heroes play basketball with Obama or have """""""deep"""""" conversation with clinton about the gender-pay gap

REEEEEEEEEEEE GET THE POLITICS OUT OF MY ENTERTAINMENT

>>377391161
And yet Banner/Hulk duality as a character still makes him superior to Cho. There is no depth to Cho as Hulk. It is literally the old amadeus except now he can turn into a giant beef cake and beat people up. How the fuck is this "pretty good" or "way more fun to read"?

>>377391234
Tied and forced to watch his cucking

>>377390364
this, diversity is fine if you know it's a well rounded cast full of different problems and shit, not i dunno turning thor into a woman or iron man into a black woman. turning characters that people may relate with to ones they may not, alienating their fans is just stupid, create new characters, don't alter established names so much they're almost unrecognisable

>>377391185
No wait... it gets even better.

> it's Stan Lee and other 70s writers's fault that cap murrica is now a Nazi

http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/138099-marvel-editor-jordan-white-blames-stan-lee-and-70s-writers-for-hydra-nazi-connection.html

>>377391252
Is that supposed to be a randomass girl like every other girl?

>>377391282
>There is no depth to Cho as Hulk
so is Banner. his drama always the same.

at least Cho is fun.

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>>377391054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afgtd8ZsXzI

>>377390000
The indie devs will insist on pushing it regardless, even if triple A devs realize the truth.

>>377391247
>Reed
Disney found a way to get rid of him. Read Secret Wars.

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>>377391054
>barely played any?

If you count tetris...

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>>377391282
>Banner/Hulk duality

>>377391346
Not him but cho isnt that fun. He's just there

>>377391065
>[unsolicited remarks about Israel]
People got paid to write this, editors thought it would sell; what the hell is wrong with people?

>>377391065

> Absorbing Man's speech after this part is basically "I don't give a shit if you are a female hero, but you don't have the right to take Thor's name"
> He was completely right

>>377391065
If you're going to post /pol/bait post something that's relevant
That image is two years old
>>377391213
>>377391269
That got cancelled

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>>377391410
at least he's there. unlike Banner.

>>377391346
>Cho is fun
You need to stop and check yourself moron.
Cho is boring as fuck. At least Banner has depth no manner how much you perceive as "the same". Cho is boring and lame. Except now he can turn green.

>>377391273
DC did it correctly.
>make Chinese Superman
>give him a talented writer and good artist
>give him interesting and fun story about Chinese government making knock off American heroes to protect China
>Don't think it is interesting and fun?
>Good old classic Clark Kent Superman has his comics right over here. Feel free to read those instead if you like.

Literally the simplest shit to figure out. Make a new character, do them well, and keep the original around.

>>377391282
He HAD some depth to him early on, Dunno if he still does. Was that, he would black out and go all ragey and wreck shit and be some crazy asshole for awhile til he came back down from his rage.

Then they had a story that fixed that last I remember?

>>377390234
>They're also not as blatant as comic books about it.
Who is Miles Morales?
Who is Whor?

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>>377390894
Talking down to your long time audience to pander to a vocal minority that themselves don't actually play the games they cry about is a big part of it.

>>377391492
Cho is fun and Banner has no depth.

You need to stop and check yourself

>>377391121
Except that's in Western comics as well.
Characters go on but stories written by varying writers do reach conclusions, that's why people make recommended reading lists.
There's also non cape, The Goon just ended last year

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LOL

I don't particularly care about capeshit but if it comes to comics, DC has been making some really good ones so far. I'm genuinely surprised by the quality.
It's a shame Marvel is so down the rabbit hole, that they won't really admit their mistakes.

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1/6

>>377391521
Cho since his inception where he is 3rd smartest person on the planet or some shit has been one of the most boring and deus ex like character in Marvel. And now they gave him the ability to turn into Hulk. It was a fucking mistake.

>>377390317
Anon, all of those characters were hot shit. Every single fucking one.
And Renee Montoya was retconned from being a nononsense interesting realistic female character into a walking just as tough as the boys stud dyke stereotype. And they killed the interesting question to put her in his place.
No one liked her or any of the other heroines in your list.

>>377391478
I blame the industry. Banner is always there just to introduce the hulk then its all spotlight on hulk.

>we are sabotaging our established characters to pander to people who dont buy our comics and alienating the people who do buy our comics

lets do a hypothetical situation, shall we

>some normalfag enjoy marvel movies
>decides to read some comics

>try to find a comic about tony stark, the iron man
>can't, all he can find is some random woman

>maybe this normalfag is one of the few people who are fans of thor
>try to find comic about thor
>"lady thor" what the shit is this

>like spiderman
>try to find comic about spiderman
>the spiderman comic is about some black teen instead of peter
>this normalfag would have to search specifically for "spetacular spider-man" to find an actual comic with peter in it

>try find a comic about captain america
>wtf he's a nazi

Why is marvel so fucking retarded

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>>377391635
Please no.

>>377391613
Keep telling yourself that moron.
Cho is so fun that his book sales are tanking because people are having too much fun.

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>>377391635

2/6

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>>377391065
>Feminists ruin everything!
>Dollars are flying away, symbolic of SJW shit driving away buyers

Pottery.

>>377391517
>Kenan wants to establish democracy in a Communist country while avoiding the same radical mistakes his family did when they tried to do the same
>Baixi believes in the Communist government and this puts him at odds with his younger sister
>Deilan is hinted to be ancient and is the last of her kind meaning she has no family and is thus a relic of the past.
>Gene nailed three political and cultural shifts in the three main characters subtlety and naturally while staying true to the characters they imitate.

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>>377391492
>Banner has depth
>the writer always tries to find an excuse for Hulk to have some intelligent so they don't have to change him back to Banner

>>377390000
You can reason with greed

People who want money think logically and rationally, they can be convinced how an action that is bad short term can create long term profit

With liberals, you cannot reason. They want total global saturation and ultimate power over every aspect of their life
So what if comics sold bad? It was the money of somebody else, they didn't lose jack, and if anybody complains, or god forbid, doesn't raise their 6 figure salary, they call them sexist and racist

They want identity to infiltrate all aspect of culture, there is zero room for compromise

>>377391625

>wont even say penis
>"gender is a social construct"

fucking wew lads

Disney needs to clean house from their Marvel comic company.

Marvel business practices are despicable too. They have a long history of market manipulation such as with Black Panther, loot crate and scholastic. But just the most recent one is over shipping comics they want to push to stores by 100-150% and then reporting the number of retailer sales or units shipped as record breaking sales claiming those books are best sellers while not releasing customer sales.

>>377391625
Our "gender constraints" aren't stupid. And why the fuck isn't Spidey cracking a witty one-liner to soften the mood here

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>>377391719

3/6

>>377391635
>>377391719
Before anyone asks, no this wasn't actually published whatsoever
It's literally copying Watchmen

>>377391754
And intelligent hulk is still superior to Cho

>>377391517
>give him interesting and fun story about Chinese government making knock off American heroes to protect China

This actually sounds pretty neat.

>>377391784
Even he is tired of their fucking bullshit.

>>377391714
>Keep telling yourself that moron.

you're doing the same thing.

> his book sales are tanking

all these new "diverse" heroes are tanking. it's natural.

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>>377391150
not only is everything in your post true, but the VP went on to clarify his statement confirming that sales would dip regardless and that they had hoped the diversity would cushion the falling sales.

OP probably knew this but thought "this will make great bait!".
Even a cusory google search tells the full story.

>>377391719
>>377391801
What the fuck, are they spoofing Watchmen?

>>377391341
Google says it's kid named anala beevers, with a ridiculously high iq

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>>377391801

4/6

>>377391826
sure, intelligent hulk = no boring Banner

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I haven't read Cho's Hulk. But Cho was always a cool character.
If they turned him into shit then that'd be sad.

>>377391170
so that's why collin left. it all makes sense now.

>>377391801
Do I even want to fucking know where this goes next

>>377390375
but we gotta enforce diversity by making X character a transgender black woman with a gimp leg

>>377391784
because he wouldn't want to offend anyone

>>377391827
It's why the character is called Super-Man. With partners Bat-Man and Wonder-Woman.

>>377391838
It's naturally shit.

>>377390678
How come Cute Reed Richards is with all those assholes?

>>377391625
>two years ago
lets say Marvel puts an end to all the social justice crap immediately, fixed editorial, and began pumping stories that remind you why you loved the characters to begin with at a consistent rate.
how long would it take to gain your trust and have you forget their stupid mistakes?

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>>377391871

5/6

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>>377390591
Anon why did you have to remind me and make me angry

>>377391827
It would sorta make sense, if we lived in a world where Superman exists.

>>377391875
Compared to what? Boring Cho?

>>377391770
DC does it too. They all fucking do it.
No one actually fucking knows how well comics are actually fucking selling anywhere at any time.
They don't even know which comics are selling the best comparitively either.
The only place that accurately tracks is the times best seller list and that's only for graphic novels.

>>377391358
I would hate fuck her desu senpai

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>>377391910
not really. people hate changes. I don't like it too but there're some good bits in it. Cho for example

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>>377391943

6/6

>>377391932
>Marvel
>Backtracking
Look how long it took for them to fix OMD.
Oh wait OMD still isn't fixed.

>>377391708
>>this normalfag would have to search specifically for "spetacular spider-man" to find an actual comic with peter in it

This is a major issue. Comic books are so fucking lost in their alternate characters and universes that a normie cant possibly keep up.

Its why DC rebooted their universe, for better or worse.

Im slightly above normie and I dont touch comics unless its a fucking one-off graphic novel or an omnibus.

>>377391965
you mean funny Cho.

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>>377391948

>>377391247
They've pushed the 'fact' that Moongirl is the smartest person on earth.

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>>377391998

>>377392019
That's why I only said it as a scenario

>>377391948
>I'm smart so I should be able to vote
Really gets me thinking.

>>377391993
Nah. Cho pre hulk has been shit. Cho post hulk is just the same as Cho pre hulk except now he can beat people up too.

>>377391987
They all don't release customer sales. But Marvel is much more guilty of things like overshipping and manipulating numbers with loot crate and scholastic than others. The Black Panther/Star Wars thing they pulled was pretty much only done by them.

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Typical Marvel, blame the fans when the real problem is their talent drain because nobody wants to work for them anymore when both Image Dark Horse, and even DC, treat them better.

Working for Marvel is not something comic creators aspire to anymore, quite the opposite.

And people say DC is cucked, lel

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>>377391948

>>377392090
of course. he's not trying to copy Banner. he's his own character who doesn't need boring duality drama to be fun.

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>>377391714

>dont know who the fuck cho is
>google cho hulk
>CHINK HULK

holy fucking kekenstein

>>377391875
Intelligent hulk is just Professor Hulk and he was boring as shit.

Unless you mean Maestro...in which case.
That would actually be fucking awesome and kind of terrifying.

Would love to see Maestro in the MCU as a matter of fact.

>>377391586
Did they replace the night elf on the WoW boxart with new Jaina?

>>377392084
America Chavez's book is a hot mess
Every month /co/ anticipates how bad it would be when the new issue rolls in

This isn't the fault of diversity.
This is the fault of their hack writers and shitty fucking editorial staff.
God I hate Marvel so fucking much. I haven't read their shit in years but I'm still fucking angry.

>>377392065
Why are you feeling anything about some fan editted comic? Hell, someone on 4chan probably may have even made that.

>>377392148
Yeah. He is a deus ex machine ever since his inception being the 3rd? 5th? smartest person in the world. I can't care less about him. Keep gobbling marvel shitshow tho.

>>377391887
Xmen spent decades tackling issues like being marginalized by society or being openly hated for being different. Then modern writers decided to tell subtlety and nuance to fuck off with shit like >>377391625. It's so brazen it has the opposite effect than whats intended. A kid who is confused about their sexuality isn't going to look at this and think
>FUCK YEAH IM JUST DIFFERENT LIKE THIS ALIEN

It's so disappointing because then the people who write this stuff expect to be pat on the back for how pious they are. It's along that way of thinking that I was genuinely disappointed when Batwoman was cancelled rather than allow her to marry another woman. It was an organic relationship that actually developed over time and wasn't contrived LOOK AT HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE bullshit. Damn shame.

>>377390768

>>>/pol/

>>377392165
>the incredible 5'4" hulk!

>>377390317
The problem is exactly diversity.

I want variety. Go ahead and give me a faggot rainbow pool of characters if you want. Just don't give me obtuse characters meant to cause divisive controversy. Don't rewrite established characters and don't make a character's only defining trait that they're a pansexual mudslime demifiend from dimension X. This shit is deviantart tier. I mean capeshit always is but I'm talking beyond comics.

>>377390374
I actually like HydraCap

>>377392165
Technically Korean.
He's also been an established character (Hulk supporting cast) before the modern legacies poured in and was actually pretty popular among readers

>>377392189
>This is the fault of their hack writers and shitty fucking editorial staff.
Well yeah Kamala's a good example of this. When you get past the shitposting about her she comes off decent and yet they fucked her up in events and Champions.

>>377391708

you'd think once their movies started making hundreds of millions of dollars they'd be not retarded enough to capitalize on that success but nope

how can you have a BILLION DOLLAR movie like The Avengers and not do shit with it to bolster your comic sales?

almost none of the characters in it are even themselves anymore, why would Chad Normie who loves capeshit want to read about an Asian Hulk or a female Thor or Iron Man?

>>377391714
Where is normal hulk anyway

did they remove him?
Why?
At some point there were a bunch of hulks anyway
like she-hulk, general hulk, red hulk

just add cho-hulk if you really must add a chink hulk

>>377391150
>because physical written media is on the decline in general.

Actually thats completely and utterly incorrect.

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>>377391871
>>377391943
>>377391998
Do these people have 0 self awareness? How can you make something like this and pat yourself on the back

>>377392226
>being the 3rd? 5th? smartest person in the world

why can't he?

>>377391586
>males on cover (er, covers without females)
>warcraft 1,2,3
>starcraft
>that one game with the vikings
vs
>females on cover
>world of warcraft
>starcraft expansion
>sc2
>overwatch
6 > 4

>>377391948
>Female nigger child is smartest person in the world
>Female nigger child is even within top 1000 smartest people
I know this is fictional superhero shit, but this is seriously going too far.
My suspension of disbelief can't stretch forever

>>377392232
>Since he is a rational anon, he belongs to pol

seems logic

>>377392240
to be fair that's huge for a korean

>>377392278
Evil white man must die

>>377390000
SJW pandering isn't to blame per se. I think the comic's failure is due to having massive character shake ups while they are presently raking in new customers with the success of the movies. You go to the theatre, see a cool Thor movie, then get hyped and go to a comic shop to read more, and suddenly Thor's a woman? Spiderman isn't Peter Parker? Ironman isn't Ironman? All the big names are now lesser to unknown characters. You could blame it on Marvel trying to diversify for a broader audience as now it isn't just pasty white teenage boys buying comic, but more to the point, I think they should just do spin-offs of the movies in comic form if they want money. Hardcore fans may not like it as much, but business is business.

>>377392278
Got killed for Civil War 2

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>>377391948
>This is the fate that befell Devil Dinosaur
They can't keep getting away with this.

>>377391948
>Smartest person in the world
>can't figure out why children don't have the right to vote or why we can't have laws that determine laws based on intelligence
Right, if anything voting age should be raised to 25.

>>377392171
all hulk are boring.

all Marvel are boring

Batman is only relevant hero

>>377391719
>ask simple question
>BAAAAWWWWW ;______;

Imagine if Trump was asked about Ted Cruz and he ran away crying

We'd all be cruzmissiles now

Who gives a fuck about comic books, only manchildren read that shit. Only good comic book is Watchmen

>>377392301
Have you ever heard of parody? I think the level of irony is above politards.

>>377391948
>>377392084
>A nigger
>Actually advocating the return of literacy tests
L
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F
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>>377390528
Cho isn't a new character, he's just new at being a Hulk. I liked him better when he wasn't a Hulk though

>>377391461
The Israel thing fucking killed me. The rest of the dialogue could have even made sense but why the fuck would Bor give a fuck about Israel?

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Hulk is trans now

>>377390000
Social Justice people play videogames but throwing in haphazard and pander-y diversity it is more obvious and offensive than if you simply didn't force the matter and subtly put it in. I'd like to see more character designs and more diverse stories because they've got the potential to be intresting and something different if executed properly.

When games advertise themselves as diverse I wince because I know factually that it's just a marketing ploy. They ride on people being like, "muh historical accuracy," in order to get free views. It's just fake and a waste.

>>377391814
>>377392301
ok disregard that I suck cocks
>>377392397

>>377392323
Because it is fucking boring. Hulk is already one of the strongest super power in the comics and you add intellect into the mix? That is just professor Hulk all over again except Asian.

>>377391625
As much as I hate gender politics, she has a point. Aliens can have like whatever wierd physiology to warp all our knowledge of biology useless.

>>377391948
Really fired up my neurons

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>>377392226
>complaining about deus ex shits in the comic book industry where they keep reviving "dead" characters.

>>377392389
>Only good comic book is Watchmen
>Sandman
>Cerebus
>Scrooge McDuck
>Puma Blues
>Sheriff of Babylon
>From Hell
>Hellboy
You fucking casual

>>377390000
Soon. you can already see signs of it .

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Marvel didn't give us time to get used to the news characters, they just forced the diversity on the readers. It took X-23 15 years before they made her female Wolverine but she's been accepted for the most part because we knew her and knew that she was a good replacement.

Ain't nothing wrong with diversity but changing a character that has always been a white male to something else can be jarring. Having female Spartans in Halo is fine, but if Master Chief took off his helmet to reveal an Asian female underneath people would probably lose their shit.

>>377392337
The point is that a person who was a lead writer for a major study almost broke his arm jerking off to how 'progressive' blizzard was with heavily featuring a female character and lauding it as unprecedented when there were multiple titles that a ten second google search would have disproved.

>>377390678
no diversity is the problem. Real life isn't diverse, sometimes successful groups of people are white. Everyone I liked in Marvel was wiped out within the span of a few years for a minority, its fucking annoying.

>>377392357
Wait Spiderman isn't Peter Parker? When the fuck did that happen? How did they replace 616 Spiderman with Ultimate Spiderman?

marvel comics were always worse than dc and ripped them off anyway.

>>377390375

I'll be honest here, i always wanted a Dust one-shot or whatever. Really like the character, a shame she has been in the backseat for a while now.

Are Surge and Rockslide on a similar situation?

>>377392273

> Instead of capitalizing the movies' success to improve comics, they fucking kill Spectacular Spider-Man and Avengers EMH

>>377392262
Everyone does, SJW are the ones throwing a temper tantrum

>>377392442
>Because it is fucking boring


no it's not.

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>>377391948
>Black Girl
>Inhuman

well now that's just rude!

>>377392418
Talking about She-Hulk?
Nigga she's been around for decades and is not trans
>>377392515
He is, he just shares the name with Miles

>>377392553
It is so fun that sales are tanking.

>>377391247
He's not talking about Riri, but Moongirl "the smartest person on Earth". She's just lucky Reed's not on Earth and Pym's humanity is put in question since his fusion with Ultron.

>>377392480
I'll give you Sandman and Hellboy, but Cerebus fell into the gutter and I haven't read the others

>>377392502
X-23 is universally hated outside of waifufags. She's a terrible character and all these replacements would have been better off if they replaced them with someone from their rogues gallery

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>dude just remake the exact same tired ass characters AGAIN except THIS TIME they're cooler and more hip with the kids LMAO
Comic books are absolutely disgusting

>>377392591
people just don't like the changes. doesn't make the character bad. I find him enjoyable for one.

>>377392542
That and /pol/ considering they never looked past the first issue because of the Red Skull speech

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>>377392372
Dr. Nemesis is funny.

>>377392581
Miles is probably the worst spiderman ever written. Even more than Gwen spiderman.

>>377390374
so the timeline was altered by that girl to make cap a hydra agent right?

>>377392515
peter is still spiderman, but the comic that is just called "spider-man" has a black kid as spidey, while peter is in the "spetacular spider-man" and "spider-man and deadpool" comics

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>>377392502

Yeah, imagine playing Metroid and suddenly the Metroid takes of his helmet to reveal scantly-dressed blonde female :/ uhmmm, wtf?

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>>377392591
>muh sales.

CoD is best game ever amirite?

>>377392625
How many times have you hated a sequel to a great video game because they changed something?

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>>377392515
There was that time when Doc Oc mindswapped his dying body with Peter's and vowed to be a better spiderman than him just because he could. And he was, while being heckled by Peter's ghost.

But in the end he just gave Peter his body back without saying a thing, so I dunno

>>377392480
>Cerebus
nigger it's the fucking posterchild for arbitrarily edgy

>>377392650
not Batman

>>377391625
She's right though. Like, if they're aliens you cant know if its a boy. I mean, it doesn't matter, but she's right.

>>377392639
Good for you. I am glad you like shit. But I am also glad the sales are tanking to show that your taste is shit.

>>377391948
This confuses me.
A girl that is supposedly the smartest in the world would at 8y/o would know that she has limited life experience and that her basic biology will change and influence her personality and decision making skills as she ages. If shes the smartest, she would know why.

Aside from that, how could they determine she's the smartest in the world without testing the entire worlds population and find some sort of standardized test that can be understood by all cultures?

Maybe she's "the smartest in the world" by one simple metric that she agrees to, but by other standards, she may be dumb as a brick. If she truly were intelligent, she'd understand that and understand that her opinions and preferences are the basis for voting and that those may differ from those of others which form as they mature. Does that mean she's just conceded and took on the label of "worlds smartest" without finding and establishing evidence of the title?

That page alone strikes me as proof enough that she's not as smart as her claim.

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I hope he gets put in the next fighting game!

>>377392686

>goalpost moving
>smug anime girl.jpg

always a pleasure

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>>377392679

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>>377392165
Cho Hulk looks like Zac Efron.

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>>377391948

>>377392581
Hulk is trans now, get used to it whiteboy.

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>>377392604
Beast still exists though, therefore the smartest people on Earth are all childish.

>>377392686
High or low sales don't always indicate quality.

But a downward trend in sales ALWAYS indicate a drop in quality.

>>377390000
>blaming diversity for a negative thing
>in current year

BAD GOYIM

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>triggering intensifies
My fellow /co/mrades understand.

>>377392679
Isn't halo pretty much established to be male for several games by now?
Big difference

There's been a huge shift in the past few months. I'm an unifag and have to deal with very left people on a daily basis and even they are sick as fuck of the SJW culture and the PC movement.

A year or two ago accusations of sex/racism where enough to shut people up and make them complicit, but that doesn't work anymore. The entire left is eating itself right now.

>>377392738
watch the sales go DOWN!

You can just lie and SAY you are for Social Justice but not actually be a SJW to appeal to many.

Mad Max : Fury Road for example. They use Social Justice as a selling point and despite Anita screeching about how it's all a lie big lie, the movie's still a hit.

>>377392542
Like all great flareups from the SJW side, I really enjoyed seeing people jump on that bandwagon and then asking them how they felt about Red Son. They had no problem with a Soviet Superman, a character whose creators specifically mentioned being bullied for being and weak and Jews as inspiration, being the supreme being in a government that killed or exiled Jews en masse. It was just what was popular at the time.

>>377392591
While it is poetic and good that Marvel's learning humiliation, sales don't mean quality
A good number of the best comics sell like shit
>Russell's Flintstones sold like shit
>New Nova run sold like shit and is cancelled
>King's Vision sold like shit

>>377392748
>literally no argument

always a pleasure

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>>377390000
With how well Horizon's done, even passing up the new Zelda in total sales?
Never

>>377392728
Because Reed Richards said so
That's all anyone needs to know

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I heard they took Venom from Flash Thompson and gave it to this edgelord army guy with a muh tragic backstory who is so bloodthirsty or whatever that VENOM is the one holding him back rather than the other way around

Because we can't have nice things

>>377392738
Hal Jordan has been around for years though.

>>377392738
>His power level is potato!

>>377392728
>how could they determine she's the smartest in the world without testing the entire worlds population and find some sort of standardized test that can be understood by all cultures
Anon you dont want to know the answer to that question.

Cho Hulk made a puzzle that no one in the world could solve including him and she solved it in 2 minutes
Yes it makes no sense

>>377392815
Read >>377392776

>>377392738
>>377392801
That's not a Marvel character
The big two aren't the only publishers

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>>377391948
>>377392764
>>377390678
>>377391065

>>377392776
all news "diverse" version are going downhill because people boycotting it. not the quality drop.

>>377392738

What. is. the fucking. point.

Superheroes are supposed to be 'super'. They are supposed to be superior to regular humans. How the fuck is some kid with Down's superior to anybody?

>>377392839
It's just skinsuit + barashit, it's only suppose to be good for your dick.

>>377392738
Captain marvel spent most of the time as an adult man with the brain of a child.

>>377392839

Venom goes back to Brock and now the edgy guy is a villain.

Its still a shit book though.

>>377392764

B-but I like Miles Morales.

There's a lot of terrible SJWshit in comics but I dont consider Miles to be a part of it.

>>377390362
>the key is to do what blizzard does and pretend you're a big sjw game while not really being one

This. A majority of characters in overwatch are canonically racist to omnics but no one says anything because no sjw has actually looked into the pre-established lore of the characters.

>>377392764
Fun fact. That Superman is from a parallel universe where everyone in the Justice League is black, except Batman who is still white. I don't know why I find that funny, but I do.

Anyone thinks a major reason comics are shit are these forced universes? Imagine writting a new comic book hero and having to shoehorn all these other non compatible origin stories and super heroes into a single world because some retard thought it would make sense.
Like why did Stark build the iroman suit if other superheroes exist? imagine if Nolan's Batman had to coexist in a world full of super heroes including the fucking flash and superman, it would be retarded.

>>377392720
> I am glad you like shit

how can you be sure that Banner is not shit and you're liking it?

>muh sales

hahahahahahahahah

>>377392764

>Wonder Woman dominating man

I don't give a fuck about racemixing. This shit is off the hook.

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>>377392920
>venom goes back to brock

can we stop this shit

Antivenom was the best thing but they got rid of that because they wanted shitty old venom back

>>377390517
This is why polls and data are so dangerous in the hands of retards. Playing games doesn't make you qualify as a "gamer" by hardly anyone's standards if the games in question are angry birds and a mobile trivia game. Nothing wrong with the data usually, just that the lying media and opportunistic asshats will take it and warp it to fit whatever moronic fantasy they've cooked up.

>>377392839
Flash was white and blonde. Two things that aren't allowed in neo marvel.

>>377392502
>Master Chief took off his helmet to reveal an Asian female underneath people would probably lose their shit.
Well they technically didn't do this but they did try to replace him with OC donut steel in Halo 5 and now Master Chief will be the main character for every mainline FPS Halo game made now and he's not going away anytime soon.

>>377391054
You don't have to be a fan to be a critic

>>377392857
>directed me to a bad and objectively wrong opinion.

wew

>>377392901
It's literally made by a down syndrome awareness group
>>377392950
If a writer can't do that, they'd make a non canon Elseworld to experiment.
Not everything is locked to a single universe

>>377392839
>that VENOM is the one holding him back rather than the other way around
Isn't that just literally Carnage?

>>377392892
No it is not selling cause it is shit

>>377390678
I see no difference with the Hulk except he might be Asian now

>>377392817

The argument was made in the previous post, the one which talked how sales have diminished.

And you decided to refute this argument by saying 'm-muh sales', so yeah, we are done here.

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>>377392502
>Marvel didn't give us time to get used to the news characters
I wouldn't say your example fits, but you are spot on about that.

>Have mudslim character that's actually kind of cool
>Solid sales
>LET'S THROW HER INTO EVERY INHUMANS AND AVENGERS TEAM AND SHIP HER WITH FUCKING NOVA AND SPIDER-MAN AND THROW LOKI IN FOR A GOOD MEASURE
Kamala was already strongly associated with Inhuman scum, then they just started throwing her literally across the entire Marvel universe, I don't even know how to follow her character anymore, not that I care at this point. Should've waited like 2-3 years before even considering putitng her into some teen book.

>>377393062
not really, most people who hate it didn't even read it.

>>377392956
Muh sales is more objective and quantifiable than Muh fun moron.

>>377392782
Not him but yes, I really don't know what the fuck he's talking about.

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>>377390000
diversity isn't even responsible for falling comic sales, shitty writing is.
Same as games, its shitty samey gameplay. Everything has been spread too thin, it used to be just consoles and PC, now its phones, tablets, other handhelds and VR shit. The cash coming in from whales has also greatly affected the way they think about developing on PC; way more multiplayer and loot crate focus.

The hobby is a victim of its own success, and I don't think even japan will save it... I really don't want to give it up.

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>>377392764
They had a black superman in the 90's

Newsflash: women make terrible protagonists because they all have unfunny and unlikable personalities.

Also niggers are ugly and dumb.

>>>/co/
>>>/co/

>>377392804

Fury Road presented its "social justice" in a great way. I remember the first time I watched it I loved it, but was a little agitated by the old man-hater ladies. Then it kind of hit me that they were simply the opposite of the War Boys. Just as dumb an unsustainable, which is why they were dying off in the middle of the desert.

The only people who were really moving forward were Max and Furiosa, who put aside their differences and together were a force to be reckoned with. They even have Furiosa admit to Max that she needs him. And she essentially breaks down the barriers Max has up. Its great, well done.

>>377390362
>pretend
Jeff Kaplan makes Anthony Burch look manly.

Someone please post the fucking morbidly obese flying girl

>>377392540
At least for Spectacular, they have the excuse of Disney buying out Marvel and not wanting to give Sony another dime.

Loeb had literally NO excuse to cancel EMH. Hell, for a while before the first airing of AA he was even pushing the now obvious lie that It wasn't even a cancellation and Assemble was going to be a continuation of EMH, but it was obvious from episode 1 that the two had nothing in common and AA wouldn't be continuing any storylines or character arcs left hanging from EMH and was content just regurgitating word for words quips from the movie and call it "humor" and "character interactions"

>>377393121
As opposed to what? People love it but don't read it? People hate it but buy it?

>>377393143
Fuck anyone that doesn't like Steel.

>>377393126
>Muh sales is more objective

back to this again. CoD is best game.

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>>377390000
I loved marvel maaan

then it happened. the every single book that I loved transforred to this

>thor become a grill
>iron man become an afro american grill
>hulk become an asian manlet kid
>wolverine become a grill
>captain america become an afro american
>spiderman is a best man during a homosexual wedding

it was too much for me
if the same happens at vidya....

>>377390000
I remember stereotypes in media were called racist. Now it's called diversity.

>>377393049

No that's not Carnage at all.

>>377393143
>John Henry
dude what
this sounds cool as fuck

>>377392847
That is dumb.
>>377392829
This is dumb, too.

>>377393217
It's a fun game. That was your argument right? That it is fun, not any sort of artistic merit but simple entertainment?

>Tfw you've always thought it would be cool to collect comics, but too poor because no job
>Tfw the second you have enough money to actually buy comics they turn into SJW bullshit

>>377393182
people read it and hate it and stopped buying it?

cause sure as shit that's not the case in /co/

people haven't touched most of the new version since its release

>>377393217
Sure anon, CoD sales well thus proving it is well made for its target audience.

DIVERSITY comics sell like shit meaning their SJW audience either does not actually exist or even they dont want to buy it.

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>>377392840
delete this

>>377393259
He's actually pretty awesome too.

>>377393217
>muh fun
>fun
>fun
I heard you the first time. No need to keep repeating fun. You definitely no not have the ability to change people's opinion via the only the word fun.

>>377392347
We gotta stay one step ahead of the negroes my fellow aryan.

>>377392984
>I am the cure
>Antivenom

Shit that was actually pretty clever

>>377393308
That's alpha as fuck.

>>377392943
My comic book knowledge is atrocious and i'm sorry but help me parse this out.

Nike Flash
Wondah'womee-qua
Martian Nigger
Supuhh Man
Aquaboi
And then fucking Bruce Wayne? Somehow you can't have a strangely black universe(which honestly is fine cuz in aj alternate universe everyone shits gold) with a rich black dude who fights crime as an alter ego? He has to be a white dude to make sure that they don't aspire too hard? Jesus that's some silly shit.

>>377393301
So it is shit then?

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>>377393290
>resort to sucking CoD dick to gain a ground

>>377393308
>Female (male) green lantern

>black female iron man

AYYOOO TANEESHUH I WUZ GON BE FINNA GET SUM BAD GUYS GURLLLL HOLLA BACK

>>377392901
This

Kids love superheroes because they are COOL

Only dumb infertile cunts care about representation and equality

We were kids and we fucking loved Blade 2. Yet none of us were 7 foot black ninjas.

I'm not even gonna blame it on women as a gender because even girls know this shit. They love Barbie and Bayonetta, because they are COOL. Why would a down syndrome kid play with a down syndrome Barbie?

Even autists don't self-insert as autists, they make Sonic recolors with tons of friends and cool powers

>>377393375
>resorting to sucking Marvel dick to gain a ground

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>>377393308

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Reminder, that you are supposed to hate this man's guts because he dared to save all the mutants from Inhumans' fart cloud everyone knows is killing them.

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>tfw grandpa gives you a massive collection of old school 2000AD comics

>>377393367
but they don't know. they never read it.

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>>377393049
Carnage is an insane symbiote attached to an insane man. At least I think it still is.

it turns out Symbiotes are actually NICE but if they bond to someone who is mentally unstable they become unstable and Venom's first host was ACTUALLY Deadpool and now venom just gave the symbiotes a bad name or something but now they mellowed him out and he's kind of good but he decide to bond to someone who is basically a school shooter

>>377393335
Eddie gets Antivenom because he had cancer and Mr Negative touched him. This caused the residual venom symbiote cells to bond to his white blood cells to make antivenom. He gets a Messiah complex, partly because he actually can cure shit, including genetic damage, which became a problem for Spiderman because his touch could basically cure spiderman's spider-ness

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>>377393383
She turned black actually

>>377393308
Hal has no qualms dicking down new life forms.

>>377393442
>resorting to sucking Marvel

no? I just enjoy what i read

>>377392892

People are boycotting it because the quality is garbage. After multiple relaunches and seeing the diversity books and how bad they are they just no longer care.

But Marvel fucking cancel books that are holding steady sales but refuse to cancel other Diverse books that are selling sub 20k a month.

>>377391625
>Ice-guy: "Meaning, it's a boy. It's got a thingy."
>Girl with broken back: "It's an alien, we don't know if that's how it works, that thingy might shoot an infective parasite for all we know."
>Spidey: "So it's a boy then?"
>Both give spidey a look of disapproval.

It's so fucking easy, Marvel should pay me to do it. Also, there's a fantastic amount of irony to be had with the fact than an "SJW" panel has a female character, who is literally twisting her entire body so her boobs face the reader.

>>377393454
You don't have eat shit to know shit taste bad moron

WE WUZ MAHVEL N SHIET

>>377391625
I agree and disagree. Gender is a social construct to a small extent. Women have it the most shitty in the middle east. I agree in the "limits potential and freedom" sense.
I disagree because gender is genetics and human nature, and refusing to acknowledge that is retarded.

>>377392883
Laffed, source?

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>>377390678
>literally BoS armor

>>377390375
>muslim hero called Dust
>suicide bombers turn to dust when they explode
huh

>>377393304
>target audience.

that's the point. people hate it. wrong target audience. but doesn't mean they're bad.

>>377393361
The technical reason is only Superman is changed to black which lead to black people being inspired and having a good role model and stepping up to be heroes, so instead of Diana leaving the island Nubia a black amazon left, Jon Stewart became the green lantern etc. Bruce Wayne lived his life the same way.

>>377392728
She wears the number one headband. It makes her automatically the smartest, no matter what your real qualifications are.

>>377393501
Good.

>>377392926

The concept and initial introduction of Miles was good. He has no character. His Character is literally i am black he has no personality and contributes nothing. He needs somebody other than Bendis to start writing him the Bendis no personality stink is not only making people less interested in him its making them not like him at all anymore.

>>377390000
I mean, think about it from the business standpoint. Who reads comics? Literally every age.
Who actually BUYS comics? People with jobs, mainly adults because a teenager with minimum wage is retarded to spend the money on comic books.

So what does that mean?

That means the target demographic should be for adults.

So what do?

Don't make little kids pretending to be adult superheroes, ya dumb fucking Marvel.

If I was in charge, I would probably fire the marketing director and the creative director.

>>377390000
It's failing cos it's a fucking comic book in 2017, manga still sells just make it a fucking manga.
Also nice quads

>>377393317
Steel was anything but awesome

>>377393616
Isn't Jump doing bad at the moment outside the usual Boku no Hero Academia and One Piece?

>>377392674
Red Skull befriends a loli Cosmic Cube, tell her "wouldn't it be fun if Captain America was our friend?" so she creates a reality where Cap was an Hydra double agent and led to Hydra winning WW2 and taking over the world. Then she supplants "our" Cap with Hydra Cap and makes him believe that the Allies used a Cosmic Cube to erase HIS reality and make it so THEY won WW2. So Hydra Cap is a Cap from an alternate reality that thinks he's still in his own reality that was changed by "the bad guys". From his point of view he's the only sane man on Earth, the only one that remembers how think "should" be.

>>377393576
If your product is not selling to your intended target audience, it is a bad product.

>>377393460
>Eddie gets Antivenom because he had cancer and Mr Negative touched him. This caused the residual venom symbiote cells to bond to his white blood cells to make antivenom. He gets a Messiah complex, partly because he actually can cure shit, including genetic damage, which became a problem for Spiderman because his touch could basically cure spiderman's spider-ness

Yeah shit was great Eddie having that character is great its entertaining and interesting. It would have worked fucking amazingly in Carnage Eddie thinking hes the salvation of man while Carnage is trying to summons Lovecraft horrors that will wipe out man.

>>377393529
>food analogy

top kek

books have many pages and detail. unlike shit. you have to actually read it to know that it's bad.

>>377393612
>their gender identity was so fucked up deadman couldn't make anything of it

Subtle