Tyranny Didn't Sell

http://steamspy.com/app/362960

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Tyranny only performed 70k better than Torment

Now that's a fuck up

>>377368840
I liked PoE. I did not like Tyranny.

>>377368840
I didn't feel as though they went far enough as far as being a game about being evil goes. The entire story setup was garbage, instead of being an underling in an already mostly boring setting, they should have given you a proper starting point to rise and make your own name.

>>377368840
>Unlikable and unsellable
It's mainly because normalfags only like shooters.

>>377369048
>I liked PoE.

Because you are an idiot - yes, yes we know

How do Obsidiots feel knowing that they made a worse RPG than Dragon Age 2?

>>377369096
It's more because braindead reviewers gave POE 9's and 10's despite being mediocre

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I didn't buy Tyranny simply because of the games logo

I mean look at this - this is fucking retarded

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>>377369341
And compare that to this

Which game would you rather buy?

>>377369072
this, i thought i was going to be a runt, and rise to power, not be the right hand of a god

>I backed PoE
>bland as fuck game setting
>pretty dopey combat systems
>don't buy the DLC which is just more of the same
>don't give a fuck about Tyranny since it's just the same bland fantasy shit but "lol evil won moral ambiguity" nonsense and looks even worse art-style

I probably would've given a shit if it was a non-post-apocalyptic sci-fi , but they just made more fantasy sludge, and now they're doing PoE2

>>377368840
Tyranny was an absolute garbage bare-bones RPG. It hardly felt like a game and it deserved to sell like shit.

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>>377368840
They really shit the bed with PoE and its shitty logic for act 3... Wasteland was ok. Why cant they accept that they just didnt make a 10/10 game and only churned out some average game? Its not the genres fault they got lazy with certain things or decided to pander to people who dont buy their product anyways...

>>377369442

>overdone devil logo
>looks like a cheaply-made heavy metal album cover
>FREE*

neither

>>377369442
>free*
what's the catch?

You know what would have helped sales? Not dumbing down the fucking gameplay. No classes, fewer party members. I mean what the fuck? Fans of the old CRPGs try to revive the genre and on the second fucking CRPG you make, you already dumb it down for normies? And fuck it wasn't even enough for them. So now you have one side who doesn't care and the pissed off hardcore fanbase.

Did Fallout: New Vegas sell? Maybe they should ask Todd for his engine again.

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>>377369442
You do have a point. I saw it float by on my steam look at me list and just based on that logo thing i passed on it. Looks like endless legend art.

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>>377369689
Shareware son.

>>377369581
B-but Obsidion!!!!1

>>377369768
It did, but Bethesda collects the royalties ahahahhahaha

They need to fucking drop the awful pillars format, not build more games on it

>rpgcodex
Literally worthless opinions

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>>377368840
>RPG Cuckdex

Why do you post the Fake News equivalent of the game industry?

The userbase there only reinforces what Miyamoto once said of RPG gamers

I don't get it, what was so bad about it?

Why are these games so fucking verbose? Why do I have to read two screens of a detailed description of some monk's beard?

Is it really that important? Thos isn't a fucking book, you can portray a beard in other ways other than a fucking ancient epic

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>>377369851
Also the tagline is lame

>Sometimes, evil wins.

It reminds me more of something you'd see on the cover of Overlord or Fable, not an Obsidian game.

oh boy its another pasta from the same guy who makes all these rpg pasta threads

>>377370314
what gets me is they jizzed off about Patrick Rothfuss, some fantasy book author, who sounds like a shit version of the game of thrones guy (who sounds like a shit version of lord of the rings)

some they spend all their time jerking off over book authors, like David Cage jerks off over cinematic shower scenes in his games

>>377370159
>>377370217
https://www.pcgamesn.com/tyranny/tyranny-sales-paradox-obsidian

What's with your autism?

>>377370314
Because this games version of why dwarfs hate elves is REALLY INTERESTING WE SWEAR

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>>377370243
A lot. The poor writing definitely didn't help.

>>377370801
this is beyond bad, jesus fuck, why did I even read it.

>>377369135

Please. Obsidian has never put out anything as bad as DA2.

>>377370898
It's called Tyranny

I hate Dragon Age 2, but Tyranny wasn't even trying.

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Why do they charge full price for these games? This game is £38 here in the UK, pretty much the same price as Prey or Nier. The "deluxe" edition is over £60.

Didn't they get funding on kickstarter? That and I can't imagine these games are expensive to make seeing as they only needed $1m for the first game so the ones after should be cheaper.

It seems like they are just trying to milk 40+ year old gamers for money instead of trying to expand the genre and appeal to a wider audience like divinity did.

>>377370541
Doesn't change the fact that the place is a cesspool of alt-right try-hards and troglodytes who literally spend their life there, unironically trying to drag their political projection and insecurities into every video game controversies they get their hands on.
All the while supporting mainstream shit like Witcher 3 or Fallout 4.

>>377370801
So many conflicting bits of characterization and buzzword terms

>>377371170
Ironically you're projecting your political opinions on a forum and thinking of it as a monolith.

>All the while supporting mainstream shit like Witcher 3 or Fallout 4.

Witcher 3 sure, but Fallout 4 no.

they made a niche game in a niche genre. Majority rpg fans dont give a shit about lore padding story fag nonsense and reactivity.

* PREPARE YOURSELVES *
MAY 29th, 2017 MEMORIAL DAY
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Sure has been a lot of talk about Obsidian lately. Something going on?

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>>377371663
Some Bethesdadrones bumblasted that people don't praise their shit company.

>>377369656

At least they acknowledged alot of the anti-fun problems with PoE 1 and have stated they're wanting to address them in the sequel. I think Tranny is just salvageable though because the fallout style skill system didn't really work for the game and the universe/characters are total shit. PoE's universe is fine the player just wasn't introduced to it properly, and the characters are in general miles better than anything in Tranny

>>377371280
>Ironically you're projecting your political opinions on a forum
I think they're already doing a good job at doing that themselves.

Also they supported all of Failgo's games until he made the wise decision of distancing himself from them. Then suddenly all his games that were previously praised to high heavens became 'popamole shit'.

>>377370243

Obsidian has a modestly sized but loyal fanbase who will enjoy pretty much anything they put out.

Someone or someones on /v/ doesn't like to see people enjoying things they don't, so they've dedicated themselves to telling everyone else that Obsidian is the Antichrist.

Obviously, this isn't unique to Obsidian or even small-sized developers. /v/ defines itself by its opposition to normies rather than anything constructive or meaningful, so whenever something reaches a certain critical mass of popularity there's always someone who decides it's their purpose in life to despise it.

>>377371802

unsalvageable*

>make game people want just because you want to make that kind of game
>they're fine with it and buy it
>suddenly start injecting far left social politics into everything
>game doesn't sell
Why are people even surprised at this point? The further from center you go the less likely a product is going to be successful without market rigging.

>>377371114
>Didn't they get funding on kickstarter?

For Tyranny? No.

It was obvious from the beginning that it was a B-team effort they were putting out to fill the lull between releases they actually cared about.

>>377369689
internet fees still apply.

>>377371782
Ironically it's the Obsidiots that reee the fuck out if you even imply for a second that KOTOR 1 is better than KOTOR 2 because it isn't an unfinished piece of garbage or call out Josh Sawyer for an SJW lolcow.

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>>377369442

>>377372098
Kotor 1 never gets threads compared to Kotor 2 for good reason.

Or are you implying that only Obsidian fanboys like Kotor to begin with?

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The problem is that the writers can't write evil for shit.
They're naive liberal fuckasses with not even the barest hint of an understanding of realpolitik or machiavellian psychology.

When you think evil people are evil purely because they are evilbadwrong and they do things just because it's evilbadwrong, your understanding of how people think and act is at the level of a fucking child and you have no right to be writing the plot, storyline, or characters for a videogame or desu fucking anything at all.

And these writers can't figure this shit out because their liberal ideology is an actual mental stumbling block to these realizations. They'd suffer from massive cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile what they're writing and what they understand with what their currently held political beliefs are, because all of this shit ties together into that.

Until the people involved in this shit shake off the sleepy fuck druamphfff mindset they're in, and realize good and evil isn't disseminated by a media conglomerate decree; then no shit their stories are going to come off as poorly written fakey tripe.

pic related an example of evil in real life

no one cares about cRPGs

they should just make a new not-F:NV2 and be done with it. that's what everyone wants and that's probably the one thing they can do well. well maybe, since they won't have 60% of the work already done for them like with NV so maybe they can't who knows

>>377368840
>form of gameplay

Oh now that's some shit, lets just ignore the cornercutting bullshit and politically correct nonsense obsidian pulled this go around

>>377369658
the cover has character, it evokes a sense of mystery and adventure like old-time dungeons and dragons artwork did; when I see this I'm thinking adventure and remember my old D&D games.

>>377369341
this other logo is clean and simple, it has no character, it belies no mystery or meaning to it. It is cold, unremarkable, inoffensive and corporate. When I see this I'm thinking about flash and phone games on the google play store.

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>>377372243
What people like about old crpg's:
Plot
Characters
Story
Moral ambiguity that ties into these things
Moral and ethical questions that rly make u thnk
Presentation of information from alternative points of view that make you rightfully question what you've believed and cause you to justify (or not) those past beliefs

What people don't like about old crpg's:
Combat
user interface
general gameplay design

The good parts of crpg's can be shoehorned into virtually any game, but crpg's are kind of like semi-interactive novels which makes them perfect for plot et al. The problem with PoE and Tyranny is that not only did these idiots not figure out what was actually wrong with ye olde crpg's and why people don't really enjoy playing them; they went a step further and infantalized the storytelling parts making them boring as fuck to read and experience.

>>377368840
trannies have no place in fantasy role playing games with polymorph magic or soul shenangians. it's like having aethist characters in settings where literal gods walk among mortals. it doesnt make any kind of contextual sense and is nothing more than blantant pandering/narrative pushing.

these kinds of games are loved because they are espacist fantasies, nobody wants to play a white guild privielge simulator written by literal cuckholds using the game as a soap box. Fuck your 'inclusive' bullshit. If a cock sucking transgender queer faggot doesnt enjoy role playing as an elf who simply goes out and fights shit, then they dont need to be targeted as a demographic for that product.

>>377368840
You mean that green haired girls were only pretending to enjoy infodumps?!?!?!?

>>377373017
Is this some old bait from before the game was released I just don't recognize?

>>377368840
>'I kind of know why they aren't prevalent anymore'
>ignoring blatant trans-agenda and tumblr fanfic writers on staff

>>377368840
The concept just didn't like interesting.

Tides of Numeria still has me interested with the weird-ass world, though, but that's about it from this cRPG kickstarter craze.

>>377370801
>shes loyal unless u show weakness

that is not loyalty. that is the opposite of loyalty.

>>377368840
The worst part is I really wanted to like Tyranny because I was a big fan of the Judge, Jury and Executioner shit they were pushing. I've always been a big fan of games that let you be evil, and this one seemed to promise more than comical evil.

But no, it was comical fucking evil and you never actually got to stay on the bad guys side. No matter what you'd betray Kyros, which wasn't why I wanted to play the game.

>>377369072
The first part of the game made it feel decent, I think. You essentially come in and hang a sword over everyone, but none of the Archons want to take your shit and even a lot of the people who have to follow your laws only do it because they have to, and otherwise don't seem to care about you. It felt like it was setting up for you to earn their respect through kicking the shit out of rebels. But no, you have to end up betraying one early on and the other starts either sucking your dick or turning you into an errand boy, and alternating between the two.

we already had this thread. it was terrible

>>377373286
It's what women think loyalty is

yeah, they don't understand it. They don't understand honor, either. These are male-only concepts. They might even be white-only.

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>>377368840
My toaster can't run it. Why did they think people who play CRPGs have good computers? Did they do any research at all?

The big problem is they literally didn't market the game at all.

It just came out, very suddenly, not much said about it before the release, just one day "new RPG from Obsidian, this time you play as a villian!", when all the other similar games got long funding periods and years of updates and preview material to fawn over.

It could've sold double the units it did easily if people actually knew it existed, people are still unaware this game exists, is what it is or is made by Obsidian.

>>377370801
>Play with her Prey
>Openly attacks you and then gets curb stomped
>Can be repeatedly denied the chance to actually kill people and told to shut up
>Never tries to abandon you

Real fierce.

>>377372989
>combat
>implying

Mucking around with the bastardized D&D ruleset was fun.

>>377372221
What are you talking about, KOTOR threads are always for both games.

>>377373153
does it make sense to advertise a role playing game to first person shooter players, yes or no?

>>377373479
This

>>377372223
The most interesting evil person in the game turned out to be Lantry because every evil act he approved of was given an actual reason for him to accept it. Rather than "you put my colours up and that makes me happy, rip and tear."

>>377373718
no it wasn't

the 'fun' parts of the old crpg's were the magic systems, at best. Physical combat just devolved into I HAVE THE BIGGER NUMBERS and left clicking on mooks, sometimes using an ability, but all the interesting abilities were virtually exclusive to mages or whatever passed for a mage.

These games should've been made turn based, not real-time-with-pause.

>>377373479
>They might even be white-only.
China and Japan definitely have a concept of honor and loyalty are.

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>>377373582
Its as if publishers have no faith in original IP or niche genres.

>>377373159

Are you talking about baldurs gate or did that shit happen to tranny as well?

>>377373998
The east's conception is based on Shame. Modern Western society has been trying to eliminate
the very idea of shame for almost a century now.

>>377373479
>/v/ will fall for this

>>377373901
You have no idea what you are talking about and it shows.
The old Infinity game did use a form of turns and rounds for combat and there was no spamming LMB.

>>377373778
I was asking because it seemed like you were one of those retards that doesn't understand the game's title is Tyranny and not Tranny

I still don't really get the combat system in tyranny. it wants me to pick 2 things to specialise in. are they supposed to synergise in some way, or should I just ignore the one I don't like much? am I meant to actually use a magic staff when using magic? it doesn't say.

>>377368840
Partially. The market has expanded a lot since the old days. Now stuff like PoE, jrpgs, etc are all niche.

I don't know why people are surprised these kinds of intermediate games don't sell. And by intermediate I mean games that try to be like games in the past but still have awful decisions made to try and pander to the audience of today. They only end up disappointing people who want these kinds of games and not appealing to the modern crowd. They're basically games that appeal to nobody but they keep being made. If you're going to try and do something, commit to it. Don't half ass it.

>>377374392
Has it? It seems more like 85% of the market is concentrated either on the most boring AAA shit there is - CoD, FIFA, Assassin's Creed, or the same three PC multiplayer games, and everyone else is just scrabbling for the scraps.

>>377374472
Josh Sawyer is legitimately autistic, though. The guy has an outright phobia of love, and a hatred bordering on violence for anyone that wants it in RPGs.

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>sales are an objective, infallible measure of quality

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>try out Tyranny
>Wall upon text afrer wall upon text
>Bioware tier writing.
>Skill system is asinine, trys to be skyrim
>SJW shit forced in your face
>Everything is brown

No sir, this game deserved to flop

>>377374715

Don't believe everything you read on /v/.

>>377374885
I believe it from interacting with the guy

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>>377374715
Seems like it, because this post by him comes off as if he sucks at getting women in real life, so he wants his characters to be as big of losers as he is (if he isn't a fag like Tim Cain)

>>377374660
those scraps are still worth millions of dollars

>>377368840
TRANNY

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>>377374885
>>377374910
Josh Sawyer reminds me of Steve Shives - an extremely bitter guy, but doesn't want to be an "MRA", so becomes an extremely caustic feminist

>>377374923
He is not wrong though.
If you want ego stroking tier cringy shit, go play a visual novel faggot.

>>377374715
Has it ever been done well in an RPG?

>>377374923

It seems less like he's a bitter faggot and it's more along the lines of he has no idea how to write romance and is trying desperately to make people think his nu-RPGs are somehow better for not including it despite the fact that the only reason why they sold one single copy of PoE was because of "'member baldurs gate? I 'member"

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>>377375085
As opposed to your cringey FPSes where you play a sexless meathead who shoots all the evil things like muslims, nazis and monsters?

>>377375092
Nothing I recall directly

it's been done well in novels though

>>377375092
If it's ever been better than "passable" I can't remember it off the top of my head. That said, if that were cause to never ever try it again, half the plotlines in New Vegas should never have been attempted, because they're equally hackneyed and doomed to failure, or else downright offensively stupid.

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>>377370801

>quirky sense of humor

>>377375092
>>377375214
>>377375252
Planescape Torment
BG2

Do any of you faggots even play video games?

>>377375214
Has it?

The only examples that come to mind that are okayish are pre-established relationships.

>>377375309
>Planescape Torment
I didn't really like its romance all that much. And I never finished BG2 so I can't comment on it

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>Forget fixing our bad story and dialogue - what needs to be fixed is this joke about trannies

Obsidians priorities are fucked

>>377373286
Women in charge of writing about loyalty

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I've never even heard of this's game and I spend way too much time reading about vidya and love RPGs.

Can't sell shit people don't even know they can buy.

>>377375309
The only good romance was Aerie and it makes sense because she's a clingy lunatic looking for praise and acceptance because she has horrible self-esteem issues.
Jaheria is too keen to knock boots after her husband dies and Virconia just fucking sucks

>>377375309
>BG2 romances
>Good

L-O-L

>>377373998
china really didnt have a sense of honor or loyalty in the way westerners see it. chinese cultures revolves around the concept of face, which is a totally superficial form of reputation and respect. The chinese believed in blind obedience through hierarchy and the threat of violence. Know what happened to traitors in ancient china? They didnt just kill you, they killed your entire family. Thats a pretty strong motivator to make sure everyone stays in line, and it has nothing to do with loyalty.

china's history is non stop allies stabbing each other in the back, it's actually pretty hilarious.

>>377368840
>This form of gameplay

PoE was super overbalanced in favor of static melee builds and flanking bonuses. BG and Planescape allowed you to have a lot of diverse builds and directly influence the flow combat in a variety of ways, whereas PoE was mainly about quickly lumping together melee units. It's also retarded how the experience system works

Tyranny is a grossly underrated. Still the combat could be a balanced a little better and you don't really get to flesh out your character the way you should be able to

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>>377375504
>>377375520
>and Virconia just fucking sucks

She's better written than the ending of Pillars of Eternity

>>377368840
Funny how they come up with excuses like 'this gameplay doesn't work in todays enviornment' instead of just admitting they were shit games

POE is as good as old crpg titles like neverwinter
/v/ hates it because /v/ hates everything popular and non nostalgic
Tyranny was a fucking mess of a game, the devs went full retard.

>>377375092

Not really.

But then nothing has ever really been done well in video games, the standards of writing are embarrassingly low. So low that mediocrity like Obsidian's trash is proclaimed "God Tier Writing".

>>377375473


What's up with the PoE shitposting last few days? Did a RPG codex lardass wander over here and decide to spread his autism?

PoE as it is currently is pretty damn good RPG. was a 6-7 on release, 8 now imo. Get a life

I dont think there is even that big of a market for the top down isometric wrpg anymore.
If they made it a thirdperson action RPG or a skyrim clone it might have actually sold well.

>>377375608
Statwise Virconia is pretty trash, being easily outperformed by Aerie in terms of cleric spells and Jaheria in terms of non-mage utility.
Writting wise she's pretty good apart from her romance which is trash because goddamnit I wanted femdom from the drow not this soppy shit.

@377375608
>my opinon is worth more thna yours, here, have a shitty meme image instead of arguments

Unworthy of a you.

>>377375703
neverwinter was mediocre, so was PoE
they don't compare to the actually good games of the era like fallout and baldurs gate

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>>377374851
>raises his weapon
>begins to advance with his weapon drawn

Why the fuck is this in the writing?
The characters of any game are capable of performing both actions. It shouldn't become a book that ignores the screen during "dialogue."

>>377375703
>POE is as good as old crpg titles like neverwinter

Not without the classes and mod tools

>>377375858
I used to think he had a nose bleed before I actually saw the movie.

>>377368840
No shit. This game didn't have any semblance of marketing, and it didn't help that reviewers/players unanimously said the same thing about the game (it's good, but ends abruptly/on a cliffhanger since Obsidian didn't have enough budget.)

>>377369072
>>377369518
Did you guys not read up on the premise of the game? The damn summary for it everywhere says literally the opposite. Tyranny is built on the fact that the bad guys have already won, and plays on the results of bad guys winning where the real evil happens.

>>377368840
Tyranny is great
That said, it's a very, very, very niche game.

It's like me recommending someone go back and play the old Fallout games. What do I even tell them? "Yeah, if you like isometric turn-based RPGs with emphasis on exploration, you'll love Fallout 1! Hey, wait, where are you going? Don't you love isometric turn-based RPGs with emphasis on exploration?"

I want Obsidian to succeed as much as anyone, but what am I supposed to do? Tell publishers that Obsidian actually makes the best games in this very tiny sub-niche of genre?

>>377375727
rpgcodex is literally 4chan with tripfags

and unlike /v/ they've more or less stayed how they were for the past 8 years while quality around here declined from being rpgcodex quality to far, far, far worse.

IQ dropped 30 points across the board on /v/ since 2008

>>377374472

The bottom armor design is better though. I hate boobplate, either go full chainmail bikini or go full realism (or at least "fantasy realism") instead of stopping at some half-assed spot in the middle.

>>377369135
>worse than Dragon Age 2

You are
Absolutely
A full-retard.

I don't even like Obsidian games and you're fucking stupid for saying that.

>>377376095
This place has always been shit, newfag. You would have known if you were there.

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>>377374851
>raises his weapon
>advance with his weapon drawn

Only thing missing is "Psssssh"

>>377374838
Show me a modern good game that sold poorly

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>>377376141
speaking of female designs, I fucking love the work cdpr did even in their concept art

>>377376093
tyranny is trash and anyone who likes real rpgs can appreciate the old fallout games, they dont have interface problems and the graphics arent awful

>>never even heard of this game
>>didnt know obsidian made it
>>saw it on steam page and was like ehh ill check it out

>>pirate it kek
>>play for 20 min and read those awful lines of dialogue...
>>mechanics felt like i had barely any mobility
>>my first choice of killing the guard or whatever barely felt like it had significance
>>don't even remember the character customization

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, nah

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>>377376141
Yes and Spider-Man should be drawn realistically

You fucking moron

>>377369341
God you are right, that boxart is fucking awful.

>HEADS
>IT'S A GAME ABOUT EVIL HEADS

Holy shit. I hope the modern trend of nu-graphics designers dies.

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>>377376380

I'm not sure what point you thought I was trying to make, but I think you're confused.

>>377376303
>They don't have interface problems
>The game that invented nested interfaces and click-and-drag iconography.

Fallout 1's interface wasn't as good as people remember it being.

>>377376297
Is this what a homo faps to?

>>377375212
>Doom guy needs a romantic interest

Are you fucking retarded?

>>377376095
So if I go there, could I get a version of /v/ that hasn't regressed into the age of 50% of threads being "X BTFO" with little actual discussion?

>>377376593
I've dropped good games because of bad interfaces (like Underrail)

Fallout 1 and 2 have an amazing interface. Deal with it.

>>377372648
Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions.

Baldur's Gate style CRPGs were always trash.

Bring back Ultima-style CRPGs.

>>377376675
yeah

it's still full of autistic shitposters and everyone's a tripfag but at least the level of discourse is at levels 4chan used to have a decade ago

>>377376607
>Implying Doomguy doesn't already have a love triangle going on

Who are the super shotty and BFG for 200?

>>377376593
I played through Fallout 2 a few weeks ago and it's still as easy to handle as it was in the 90s, which I can't say the same for most other 90s games

>>377368840
Tyranny sold terribly because it looked like ass from the moment it was revlealed.

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>>377376321
>>my first choice of killing the guard or whatever barely felt like it had significance

Not to defend Tyranny or how bad Obsidian's games are, but we live in a generation where garbage Telltale games or pic related are praised despite the fact that you have 0 choices.

>>377376768
Well shit I should go make an account.
Beats the shit out of the endless stream of vomit that is threads just like this one.

>>377369442
Tyranny because I already know that Diablo is clickfest trash and that its cover art is trying too hard to be "cool", "edgy", and "Satanic."

>>377376679
What the fuck are you smoking? Underrail's UI is better than Fo1/2's by virtue of the hotbar alone.

>>377376713
I'm a master pursuader ;^)

>no marketing
>shit box art and promotional art
>vague premise as pitch for game
>uninspiring name

video games are NOT simply make it and it will sell itself.

>>377376679
No they didn't. You are going off your own subjective taste instead of good game design. None of that shit is anywhere near as intuitive as modern games.

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>>377376739
>Bring back Ultima-style CRPGs.

I hope you mean the only good Ultima entry which was 8

>>377376007
>plays on the results of bad guys winning where the real evil happens

Yeah except it didn't do this at all and the most evil thing that happens is like... killing people and burning a library.

>>377376993
>None of that shit is anywhere near as intuitive as modern games.

You mean console interfaces where you use a controller to slowly scroll through everything?

>>377377070
But you see it's meant to NOT be interesting because you're playing the big bads mooks, who do incredibly mundane things!

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>>377376321
The game tries to play the morally grey card far too often, and it would probably work if you were a teenager or someone who just entered college and just learned about the trolley problem. It tries to push against the player with the mindset that the player thinks of themselves as an unbiased human being.


If you're old, cynical, and are generally uncaring to ethical dilemmas, then you won't have much mileage out of the game. I

f you're posting on 4chan, you probably already have a donald trump wallpaper as your background to match your swastika windows theme. So ethical dilemmas like "Should we kill this gay or not?" are likely lost on most people here.

>>377377005
7 was best

fight me

FIGHT ME YOU FUCKING FAGGOT

>Unity engine shovelware trash didn't sell

woah

>>377375568
>the concept of face
Fucking Koreans too! It's the reason we will never see City of Heroes or Auto Assault ever again, because if us round eyed fucks make it successful they will lose face and thats not an option.

>>377377005
>ultima 8
>not 7
ultima 7 was infinitely better, prove me wrong.

>>377377436
7s pretty good, but it doesn't have the same world freedom as 8

>>377377347
The problem is that the ethical dilemmas are incredibly shallow and trite, and would be mocked if they were found in a book or a film.

There is no gravitas to anything you do in Tyranny, and there is no sense that your actions have any real far reaching consequence or effect on people.

The actual ugliness of the "evil" empire is barely touched on at all. The most evil thing they do is invade a place and enforce a less ridiculous legal code...

>>377376771
Its not like Doom guy is plowing his guns. Its another kind of love, /k/ommando love is pure you degenerate.

>>377377652
To top it off, the entire game feels a bit like the writers didn't even WANT the player to be able to be evil, mean, or even impolite.

Take for example the early parlay with Eb. There's hardly any opportunity to insult or demean her at all, despite her goading you and generally flaunting her rebel ways in your face.

It's embarrassing. It reads and plays like a Neverwinter Nights module written by a teenage girl.

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>>377377347
>>377377652
Compare that to Broken Hills in Fallout 2, where there's no good ending

It looked like a shit 90s game.

>>377370801
Extremely Loyal but not when she isn't
intellignent but knows nothing
hulking but agile
A violent brutish murderer who loves violence and is unapologetic but not evil (LOL)

>>377377847
You can permanently kill her during that encounter.

>>377373479
>They might even be white-only.
>this ignorant retard things honor is white-only

You're on 4chan, home of weaboos across the net. You have no excuse for not knowing how fucking obsessed Japan is with "honor". They literally commit suicide in attempts to preserve or reclaim it.

>>377376819

Not to defend garbage writing, that example is obviously shit, but as someone who actually tried to develop a sort of choice and consequence based mod into Skyrim once it very, very quickly becomes unmanageable. I understand why so many devs disconnect the outcomes of choices from each other so much and frequently inject "reset" points, if you try to intertwine them all from beginning to end the work load becomes absolutely enormous and bug fixing is a nightmare. It's the difference between having to write for four scenarios and having to write for sixty-four scenarios. It's just not doable.

>>377370801

>boastful, quirky, excited and all that laundry list of random retard shit

jesus fuck, this is how a roastie actually imagines STRONK WOMYN

>>377372223
Well said.

>>377377569
>7s pretty good, but it doesn't have the same world freedom as 8
You're right. 7 actually allows you to do shit like bake bread.

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>>377377347
>So ethical dilemmas like "Should we kill this gay or not?" are likely lost on most people here.

That's why we have to make these trolley problems more interesting. They're so blase and boring without our special touch of autism.

>>377378105
Literally just a slew of superficial buzzwords

>>377378128
>7 actually allows you to do shit like bake bread.
are there any other rpgs that let you do shit like this?

>>3177376383
Yeah! It needs a picture of a guy walking towards the viewer with a weapon in each hand

>>377374156
>Modern Western society has been trying to eliminate
>the very idea of shame for almost a century now.
No it hasn't. SJW ideology is based on shame.

>>377369547
this

>>377373286
It's conditional loyalty. Provided you maintain your strength, KiS would not betray you over material gain, moral/ethical qualms, or personal grievances.

>>377378050
>kill her
pretty juvenile. you can do worst things than death to a person.

>>377368840
Maybe it's because there was little to no advertisement for it, like even Pillars of Eternity I saw some posters put up at Gamestop when it was coming out.

>>377370801

This shit is like four unrelated characters mashed together.

>Prologue lets you side with the rebels while essentially letting you drive them into a corner by pointing out they need you and all but directly telling them you are only doing it to keep the peace because you don't like the other factions
>You can even cause your boss to agree with you and continue putting the lands under your banner for Kyros
>Suddenly the act changes and you go full FUCK KYROS for no apparent reason
>No option to continue doing what you were trying to fucking do
>Always have to rebel

Fuck this game.

>>377371369
Surpringly accurate, but reactivity is cool if the result are clear.

>>377375061
So, Burch?

>>377376007
>The damn summary for it everywhere says literally the opposite. Tyranny is built on the fact that the bad guys have already won
Which with good writing would mean the player goes around enforcing dictatorial rules while juggling when to bend them to help people who can support your position or to make you wealthier and in turn all you have to do to cover your tracks and shift blame.
Instead you are a Bioware tier supercop sorting out petty squabbles and if you blatantly abuse your position everyone just grumbles and moves along.
The game relied on its writing and the writing was shit.

>>377369689
You didn't need a sub to play online but you still had to pay out the ass for internet

Was it fun at least? Never bothered finishing Pillars because they bored me.

>>377371802
how someone can be so stupid?

>>377378570
It's not loyalty if due to personal outlook they will betray you.
By definition if she perceives you as weak, whether or not you actually are weak she will turn on you.

>>377378582
Well you already had a hand in killing everyone she has ever known and loved before.

>>377378061
>You have no excuse for not knowing how fucking obsessed Japan is with "honor". They literally commit suicide in attempts to preserve or reclaim it.

Don't think for a second that shame is uniquely a Japanese trait and that only the Japanese kill themselves for it. Humans are social creatures all over the world, we all have the potential for fear of social ostracization to compel us to commit suicide.

>>377368840
What a fucking retard
"you think you want it but you don't"
And now crpgs won't be made, when all it had to do was not to be shit

>>377374923
He may be wrong about other things, but what he says in your pic is a legitimate criticism of RPG romance writing. I like it when RPGs have romances, but I don't like it when they fall victim to what Sawyer is describing.

>make games that look and play exactly like games from 2000

>only worse in all ways

>wonder why it doesnt sell

how do so retard

>>377378751
Exactly
>Catch the flu
>weakened for a couple days
>betrayed

>>377368840
I didn't buy Tyranny because one of my PoE2 backer rewards was a half off coupon for Tyranny. But then it turned out the coupon is only good for Steam, and I won't put that shit on my computer. So now I'm just waiting for it to go on sale at GOG.

Speaking of, anyone want a half-off coupon code?

>>377377569
>u8
>world freedom
you blew it

PROOF that people don't want SJW games.

>>377378984

He's grossly exaggerating. And, to be fair, when you don't make it really obvious to the player what choice they are making it becomes a game of "guess what the developer was thinking" and nobody likes that.

>>377368840
I like rpgcodex emoticons :]

>>377378695
Too bad there is none of that here

>>377375285
Describing something as "quirky" is a good way to either make me extremely wary of it or lose interest completely.

>>377379081
You can go anywhere in U8's world of Pagan

>>377376252

Take it from someone who was actually old enough to come here back in 2008. /v/ was never great, but it was a hell of a lot better than this. You'd know that if you were old enough to have a meaningful perspective on things.

>>377379785
I remember when /v/ was nothing but shitty ass generals for ecelebs. I'm glad old /v/ is dead

>>377379640
right from the start like in every other ultima? no you fucking can't.

it's the most constricted ultima game, even underworld games were more open.

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No wonder Tryanny didn't sell. Obsidian decided to drop the game and rush the second half to start making PoE 2. I liked Tyranny more but it's definitely much fucking worse game since it's barely finished and the writing in some places are so fucking bad I first thought it was a joke (fucking Bleden Mark)

>>377376679

I suppose picking up an item and having it be automatically be placed at the bottom of an unsorted list I have to scroll through one mouse-click at a time is "amazing" as per the technical definition of the word, but I don't think it's the definition appropriate to this discussion.

>>377378086
>Not to defend garbage writing, that example is obviously shit, but as someone who actually tried to develop a sort of choice and consequence based mod into Skyrim once it very, very quickly becomes unmanageable.
Isn't the Creation Kit actually really cumbersome for quests and dialogue? That couldn't have helped, either.

>>377379943
That's new /v/ dumbass

For the first 5 years or so nobody on 4chan even knew wtf a "general" was. They didn't even exist.

>>377378710

>asshurt Tranny fag detected

It's a terrible game and was a step back in every possible way from PoE

>>377380121
The fact that you know where it is says a lot about the good design

>>377380506
>The fact that you know where it is

The most inconvenient possible place?

What games have you even been playing that makes that design look good by comparison?

>>377379260
Yeah, that's a fair point, but I think he was right about how romances can often be nonsensical if they don't take a character's actual personality into account and let your evil, selfish PC romance someone who should logically be repulsed by your behavior. I don't think Renegade Shepard should have been able to romance Liara, for example.

>>377372223
>>Until the people involved in this shit shake off the sleepy fuck druamphfff mindset they're in, and realize good and evil isn't disseminated by a media conglomerate decree; then no shit their stories are going to come off as poorly written fakey tripe.
What's particularly sad is that while they were writing this I'm pretty sure the election was no where in sight. Or at least the media portion. They just think this way after swallowing media sewage their entire lives. Big bad guy is bad because some people think he is. Big bad guy has no real motives for being big bad other than he mean and stuff

>>377380590
I like having what I want near the top - like money, stimpacks, certain weapons and drugs, etc

I hate the design of games knocking your important shit to the bottom.

>>377369442
They're both trash, so neither.

>>377373901
Neverwinter Nights is fun and it could function as both turn based and real time.

>>377380205

Granted I haven't used many toolsets but I don't find it cumbersome at all. In fact, I'd say it amazingly easy to use given how versatile it is.

The engine is built for quests and dialogues and, barring the character limits, it does that very well if you ask me. But I will say this, the dialogue interface got a major overhaul for Skyrim but the old interface is still in place and I see where Obsidian was coming from when they said they had to build their own. The old interface is not too good.

>>377380987
>Big demon coming out of the darkness to rape you
vs
>WE'RE HERE AT EVILCON '97, EVERYONE POSE FOR THE CAMERA!

>>377381035
If only it had let you control your entire party. I still love the game, but that was a really bad design choice.

>>377373017
>aethist characters in settings where literal gods walk among mortals
Literally the most incredibly asinine bullshit in these games. The only time it makes any sense are literal madmen hermits not believing in gods, and really they should just believe in their own made up gods.

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>>377368840
>tyranny flopped
I thought that much was obvious, the writers are garbage. Didn't they more literal female fanfic writers or was that numenera? Regardless both are terrible games that failed to recapture the greatness of older isometric games

>PoE marketed as a modern game like baldurs gate
>people hyped
>game gets released
>hampered by a myriad of problems
>Sawyer only makes it worse by his autistic "balancing"
>"wahhh, why won't anyone buy our cRPGs anymore?"

meanwhile people are hype as fuck for Divinity OS 2

>>377376890
at least fallout have world maps

People won't get fooled twice in such a short amount of time. Did anyone really think it would sell well after the disaster that was PoE which undeservedly got shilled to hell and obviously burned lots of people.

>>377381370
Or think themselves a god

My biggest problem was how the game felt short as fuck and the obvious set up for the sequel. It cut off when things were just picking up and you were gaining power to do real shit. Edicts were fucking shit though and felt like they made little differences and both factions you had to deal with had terrible fucking leaders. In fact everyone was fucking terrible to deal with. I'm glad it failed.

>>377368840
that's because there's no market for baldur's gate or planescape torment type games anymore.
Honestly it was a bad call and a rookie mistake for obsidian to make.

>>377381267
Well, from my admittedly brief experiments in both the Aurora Toolset and the Creation Kit, it seemed like quests and dialogue (especially dialogue) were much easier in the Aurora Toolset. You might want to check that out if you ever feel like making another attempt at a choice and consequence mod.

>>377368840
I'm really glad all these independent Obsidian games have been flopping so fanboys can't flock back to their classic B-B-B-B-BUT DUH EBIL PUBLISHERS RUSHED IT bullshit and have to now face facts that they always sucked.

>>377380759
>I don't think Renegade Shepard should have been able to romance Liara, for example.

I can agree with this. But I also like the idea of being able to influence susceptible party members too. The KOTOR games, for example, did this really well where some characters will follow you to the dark side and others won't. Dragon Age Origins was another one. Someone like Liara, ostensibly a young and naive character, I think should be vulnerable to player influence whereas someone like Wrex should not be.

>>377368840

Too expensive for a half game

It was good but short

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If there ever was a game that embodied the word "castrated", it was Tyranny.
Everything interesting was hidden behind exposition. All the stuff you'd have liked to do was resolved through cutscenes.

The artwork was phone-app tier through and through and the voice-acting was as forgettable as the characters. Oh those characters, soulless caricatures who's personalities were attempted told in the most clumsy, boring manner possible. "This is your tortured warrior character, he really like a good joke" (you get the option to tell him a joke ONCE, to establish this face. He never makes any jokes himself then, or since). But the characters, bad as they are, still end up beaten by the horrible, truly awful writing. The extreme overuse of poorly written descriptions of actions alone was painful.

The amount of times characters inclined their heads, smiled wryly/despite pain, cracked their knuckles felt directly out of a 14-year old kids fanfiction, because that is what cool dudes do to show they don't care. I think every female character I met managed to spit as a sign of disrespect, either blood, phlegm or something third. It was so tiresome, the entire thing was tiresome.

In fact, every single thing I read through the hamfisted exposition was dull and did not make me interested in the game world, or managed to make me invested enough to care for its fate. Every female character was a juvenile brat and every male was a dumb lout, it seemed like it was a world entirely composed of assholes. And onto this, YOU, meant to have the option to be the biggest dick around, and yet how can you truly be evil when everyone around you deserves it?

Actually, all the other garbage could maybe have been overlooked, if not forgiven if not for the lame, unoriginal story which wraps up in the most mind-blowing garbage way since the 1983 film "Blood Debts". Everything was so tame, so safe, so without risk and totally without reward. No sense of wonder, no reason to care whatsoever.

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>>377372223
>muh Nazi Germany

>>>/pol/

>>377372223
>fighting a total war
>decimate a city to kill the enemy's morale
>evil
Who's the naive liberal again?

>>377381352
I always find this opinion funny, because the only reason I could stomach the first game was that I could solo it with my character instead of having to constantly herd cats or enjoy the deep and complex tactical considerations of D&D combat.

It wasn't entertaining.
That's all I expect from a game these days, and it blew it.

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>>377368840
Just a reminder about PoE2

>>377369072
Agreed. I mean when people want to play as the evil side, they want to play as the evil fucking overlord. That's the point. How was this difficult for them to figure out?

>>377381863
Also can't rely on the "B-BUT TRUE PCU-CKS LOVE IT!!!1" argument - when that's not even remotely true

>>377370801
>Kills-in-Shadow
>Creeping-Death

What the fuck is with these names? It's like something a teenager would try to makeup for a cool online nickname.

xxXXxCr33pingDeath666XXxxX

>>377379785
>15 different starcraft threads
>10 different ASSFAGGOTS thread
>Everything else was console wars and shit posting
It truely was a golden age and much different and better than now!

>>377370801
>boastful, daring, smart, easily excited, and has a quirky sense of humor

Literally me.

>>377382241
>smiled wryly/despite pain, cracked their knuckles

Please god don't tell me you're serious.

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>>377370801
>and has a quirky sense of humor

Everytime

>>377382601
I just think it would be fun to control a party, and that module creators would have more freedom to create complex and challenging encounters if they knew the player had more control. NWN's system also makes spellcaster companions almost worthless for anything except casting buffs on you before combat.

>>377371114
>It seems like they are just trying to milk 40+ year old gamers for money instead of trying to expand the genre and appeal to a wider audience like divinity did.

Yeah, I agree. PoE never sat right with me, even leaving aside it's overwhelming mediocrity, because it was literally just the same shit I played almost 20 years ago. I mean, that's the sales pitch? "We're going to do an infinity engine type game. EXACTLY as they were!" You're not going to try to add anything? Nothing at all new to bring to the table that you've learned in the last two decades?

What's the point of it? I don't mind playing BG2 again, and that's exactly what I did instead of bothering to finish PoE.

They diluted the main selling point. The game first appeared interesting because it was supposed to cast you as a bureaucrat pf an evil empire. The idea of balancing your conception of morality, and with the demands of your ruthless emperor. Instead you're once again cast as a generic chosen one, become disillusioned with the status quo, and start a rebellion. You also do very little administrating, or judging, you're really just an over glorified soldier.

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>>377372223
>conservatives understand the evil mindset better than liberals

Well, if you say so.

>>377373901
>These games should've been made turn based

There was nothing stopping you from telling BG to pause after every turn, thus making it turn based. Maybe look into the options next time?

People read the title as Tranny

>>377383359
One side is capable of critical thinking and the other thought process doesn't get pass the emotional stage.

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>>377370801
>But not really evil
What's the point of a character like this if the point of the game is that you're an unapologetic goon for an evil empire, wouldn't a character that's just an attack dog be better and even more charming? Functions the same way, cuter, is more loyal and is also not really evil.

>>377383465
You can see the irony in complaining that liberals are too stupid to understand other mindsets, while ascribing a simplistic, shallow, mindset to them, right?

>>377368840
This image is precisely right. Low budget isometric CRPGs will always be niche, and obsidian better expect niche sales if they keep making them. PoE was a flash in the pan.

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Kids liked Western RPGs because that's all they had

You think our dads would have enjoyed Baldur's Gate if they had Final Fantasy 8 or Tactics Ogre back then?
They bought Daggerfall just for some pixelated titties, a game like Dungeon Travelers 2 would have blown their minds

PoE just made everyone click "Oh yeah, these games were never good"

>>377380759
Part of the problem with bioware's characters is that they are all doormats with none of their own opinions. Nobody ever rejects the player. Nobody ever has their own way of doing things. There are no real disagreements. Everything the player wants is done and everyone happily goes along with it like a bunch of automatons lacking any sense of individual agency.

Which also consequently makes the entire "build ur harem" part of the game just completely retarded. There isn't even any sense of having actually achieved anything with anyone in the game, because there is no possible room for failure. Without the possibility for failure the rewards are cheapened. Literally anyone can 'win'.

And at that point what you've got isn't really a game anymore. It's hardly even interactive.

>>377383157
Yes, but in response to that you'd have to change the way you design your game. Guaranteed presence of rogues in the party would be an excuse to make all trap and lock DCs stupidly high but you still wouldn't be able to make maps where a rogue can have fun, because rogues can't fight and the rest of the party can't sneak. Guaranteed presence of spellcasters would mean it's fine to introduce gaggles of enemies with incredibly deadly or annoying abilities and up the difficulty of hostile spellcasters, making the muggle classes worthless in every meaningful battle. Guaranteed presence of dumb beatsticks would lead to introduction of trash mobs with OP stats and bloated hit points just so that these classes without spells, skills to abilities would have something to do. And before you know it, you've made NWN2.

>>377383709
Calling liberals dumb doesn't involve irony, although I expect being normie trash with no real life experiences and being poisoned by social and mainstream media also lead to the poor writing.

>>377373901
real time with pause is literally the most unfun combat system and it keeps me from playing quite a few "good" crpgs

>>377368979
Torment flopped?
Man I wish I had money so I could give them a sale, it was a top notch game

Tranny was sjw shit

>>377383830
>Part of the problem with bioware's characters is that they are all doormats with none of their own opinions. Nobody ever rejects the player.

Characters in BG would leave if your alignment got too far out of whack with their own. As I recall, there were places where KOTOR characters would turn on you too.

>>377383910
Oh, so you can't see the irony. I guess I was overestimating you.

Carry on with your collection of buzzwords and buzzideas then, friendo. I'll leave you to it.

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>>377383830
>Part of the problem with bioware's characters is that they are all doormats with none of their own opinions. Nobody ever rejects the player. Nobody ever has their own way of doing things. There are no real disagreements. Everything the player wants is done and everyone happily goes along with it like a bunch of automatons lacking any sense of individual agency.

Except this was literally Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 - two Bioware games.

In fact, the problem you are describing is more of Pillars of Eternity's problem

the political agenda was coming on way too strong, its like they remove limiters with each release
no wonder it sells less and less as a result

>>377372223
Any specific examples from the game?

>>377383939
That was old bioware. And the things you mentioned still felt stilted.

>http://www.rpgcodex.net/
lmao

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>>377384042
>its like they remove limiters with each release

Now I have the mental image of somebody going Super SJW, dragonball style.

>>377375092

Honestly - and I'm going to get a lot of flak for this - but Half-Life 2 and its subsequent episodes did romance better than any game I've played. It felt more like what I've experienced in real life (in terms of developing affection for someone).

>but but Half-Life 2 doesn't have romance!

Define romance. Because I can tell you right now it's not picking all the right options in a dialogue tree. Two people under taking an emotional roller coaster together, fighting for humanity, saving each others asses, getting to know each other. I know Gordon is a mute, but you really get an attachment for Alyx.

If I had to say there was any game that had a realistic development of love between the protagonist and the love interest, I'd have to pick Half-Life 2 - EP2.

Come at me.

>>377381574
That's wrong and people like you are exactly why good games keep getting passed over in favor of more superficial shit.

People enjoy planescape and baldur's gate - these are even still bought today. The problem is that what's good about planescape and baldur's gate isn't being distilled out from the stuff that sucked. Idiots are trying to rebake the exact same games with all the exact same problems without fixing the obvious issues that have revealed themselves in hindsight.

Halo didn't do any of its FPS features first, but it WAS the first console fps to combine a whole lot of the best fps ideas into one game. That's what needs to happen with crpg's but obsidian et al just still don't get it.

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>>377383925
>it was a top notch game

>>377381559
That would be pretty great. Make them a moderately strong caster the player meets early on to impress them and lategame have a sidequest coming back to reveal that the guy was some nobody crazy person.

>>377383830
>Part of the problem with bioware's characters is that they are all doormats with none of their own opinions. Nobody ever rejects the player. Nobody ever has their own way of doing things. There are no real disagreements.

Are you serious? Have you ever even played a Bioware game? Having to go so far as even kill your own party members over disagreements is not uncommon.

>>377368840
>sjw bullshit doesnt sell
woah

>>377384105
>It doesn't count because I said so

OKdokey then.

>>377383830
>is that they are all doormats with none of their own opinions. Nobody ever rejects the player. Nobody ever has their own way of doing things. There are no real disagreements.

I don't know about that.

ME2's loyalty missions have multiple failure conditions. Tali for example will not accept you turning her father in and will reject you both as a potential partner and as a friend if you do it.

ME3 introduces more obvious points of argument, like genocide of entire species.

>>377384040
Try playing a lawful good paladin with Edwin in the party
He's not a doormat and will fuck off, calling you a fag
All evil characters are like this
Also try slaughtering innocent villagers with Minsc or Keldorn in the party. They'll fuck you up

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>>377372223
Well said my dear friend!

>>377383939
Bioware from twenty years ago.

Mind you, their writing sucked hard most of the time and their best wasn't exactly breathtaking, but they were gods compared to what's considered passable today.

>>377383896
NWN2 had a lot more problems than just the consequences of full party control.

>>377382523
You evidently didn't read a single thing in that post, edgelord.

>>377376739
>unironically wanting to bring back ultima
>in a thread that conflates sales with quality
even back when people were willing to put up with old CRPG bullshit ultima sold like crap

>>377369135
>I like game
>"you're an idiot"

every time

>>377384238
I wanted Planescape: Torment 2.
I got exactly that, but with better combat.
Very happy with the game.

>>377370801
Also the brother of Goku

>>377384323
That's my point. Baldur's Gate has companions that will leave you in the lurch if you don't finish their quests for example.

I remember having to save/load scum to finish the Minsc quest in a hurry because I was fucking around too much to prevent him from turning on me.

>>377383443
BG wasn't designed to be played that way and isn't particularly fun when played that way.

It was just another useless option that was there just because of the way the underlying system worked and not because it was actually desirable.

>>377375212
Damn I missed a ed 4chan post. Are you still around ed kun?

>>377383830
Companions constantly bitched at you in origins, and at least three of them will either leave, or turn on you if you make particularly horrible decisions from their perspective.

>>377368840

>fill your game with SJW garbage and fugly artstyles
>it's the gameplay, it just doesn't work in a modern environment

I will forever hate SJW cucks for sabotaging the revival of CRPG's.

>>377381419
Say what you will about Divinity: OS, at least it isn't a knockoff baldur's gate game. It looks pretty good and has a modernized, easy-to-get-into feel. Everything Obsidian has shat out in the last few years would have been considered barely par if they came out 20 years ago.

Well they should adjust their expectations, expenses, and fucking fill that niche. Paradox seems to be doing well on it.

>pirated PoE
>pirated Tranny
>didn't bother pirating nu-men-era
as someone with nothing to regret, I somehow enjoyed Tranny more than PoE. If only it wasn't cut in the middle.

>>377384150
I remember when /v/ kiddies like you got your panties in a twist over rpgcodex shitting on oblivion

>>377384674
They would have sold well. PoE is much better than BG

>>377379037
If you are pussy enough to be weakened by flu, you do not deserve loyalty.

>>377384674
Also Divinity:OS has the thing that made Baldur's Gate awesome:

Online co-op

Why doesn't Pillars of Eternity have co-op?

(in b4 assmad manchildren who never played BG1 or 2 on a LAN)

>>377384376
But the full party was what opened the floodgates. In NWN1, they had to tone down all the worst aspects of D&D because the game had to be beatable by any class, so there were very few attempts to 'challenge' specialists, other than horrible unavoidable boss fights. In NWN2, they KNEW you'd have a rogue, they KNEW you'd have a fighter, they KNEW you'd have a divine and an arcane spellcaster, and they went full retard with designing their game. Awful character writing and nonsensical plot were just nails in a coffin already brimmed with smoking cow shit.

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>>377376007
>>377376908
>>no marketing

Pretty much. Paradox paid some top streamers to feature the game and it obviously came off like they were doing it for a contract. So basically, Paradox doesn't know how to sell RPGs to people.

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>>377384772
>PoE is much better than BG

>>377368840
>make a game called tranny
>wonders why it doesn't sell

>>377384849
>Why doesn't Pillars of Eternity have co-op?
I legit would've bought it if it was the case

>>377384674
DOS is pretty much the only recent game of this type that was actually BUILT as a modern title and not just looking to cash on nostalgia.

>>377384936
Nice reaction pic!
Me too I think there is not only two genders!

>>377384889
You don't pay people on contract you slip in 'benefits' to people who review the game well or talk about it.

1. people can't accuse you of bribing because there's no actual paper trail and it's just gifts and shit for a fan

2. the people doing the reviews or lets plays are genuinely enthusiastic about it and actually like the game

basically if you have to pay people to drone on about a game they don't care about, you've already fucked up

>>377384771
I remember when the Something Awful forums literally got triggered by NMA-Fallout for wanting features from Fallout 1/2 in Fallout 3 and featured them in a WEEKEND WEB IIRC

Tyranny had the full female equality meme, and some gender queer stuff so I guess its sjw by default. Still there probably aren't many games that let you express support for eugenics, or murder child heirs. When the game lets you commit genocide, it plays it pretty straight, treats more like a practical problem you need to solve rather than some great moral dilemma.

>>377384709

Agreed. I think Tyranny was more up my alley.

The dialogue was less purple prose, and had more interesting world in my opinion. PoE annoyed me with words like Glanfathan and I couldn't acclimate to the world. It was nice having a little simpler, straight-forward lore. I like depth, but I don't want to drown sometimes. And I really hate stupid sounding invented words. Glanfathan...get the fuck out.

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>>377376601
No. This is, though.

>>377372223
BUT ANON HITLER AND TRUMP ARE EVIL

>>377385056
christ I'd almost forgottne nma even existed

thanks for that nostalgic poison pill

>>377384771
>Le Oblivion is le bad!

>>377385017
What the literal fuck are you even trying to say?

>>377385045
You serious? Individuals take these deals all the time, anon. They obviously don't do review said games but rather cover them with shit like MP events and such. I don't see why early copy previews would be exempt.

>>377368840
It didn't help that the title was a tongue-in-cheek way for the devs to make a game that sounds like "Tranny"

>>377384971
Trannies do sell.

Awful games with no marketing, don't.

>>377385159
It is. The entire series has been a downgrade since morrowind and daggerfall, and those two are about even with one being better than the other in a few areas.

I can only imagine how much worse beth's next game is going to be. I didn't think they could dumb down from oblivion much, but skyrim proved me wrong.

>casuals don't like old gameplay

Who would've thought? We're stuck with linear JRPG waifu garbage and soulless, empty open world WRPGs forever.

>>377380085
>Obsidian decided to drop the game and rush the second half to start making PoE 2.

Because it was a contract job. Paradox paid for and own Tyranny, of course Obsidian wants to go back to their own property. From what I understand DLC for Tyranny is still on the table, though.

>>377383896
But by doing things NWN1's way, you have to design everything such that it can be completed by any class, so you can never create situations that allow any class to really shine. Or you end up with situations where casters get forced into melee or fighters have to sneak, which isn't fun. You can't make combat require too much strategy, because you know the player only has good control over one character and can't even reliably determine which enemy their companions will decide to attack.

>>377384040
Your post made me remember NWN2 in-party bickering. Qara vs Sand was best one.

>Game is supposedly about being the evil minion of an evil overlord
>You're actually a good guy who rebels against the Evil Overlord
>Get railroaded into it no matter what you do

Obsidian truly are the PlatinumGames of WRPGs, praised blindly by a fanbase so loyal that actual trash is acceptable to them now.

>>377385124
Health orb on the left, mana orb on the right.

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>>377384443
>but with better combat
It wasn't a bad game overall, but the only game I've played with worse combat than Numenera was Pillars of Eternity. At least Planescape's could be brute-forced through.

>>377385393
You get that just because you personally don't like a game doesn't mean that it's objectively bad, right?
There are tons of popular games that I think are trash, but I don't act like the fans of those games are just pretending to like it like some autist

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>>377385393
I love how western devs outperformed a retail Platinum Turtles game with a $15 digital title

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>300 replies of asspain