Fire Emblem

Fire Emblem in general has become "Fuck you, Consumer: The Series." This game is particularly rife with some of the most shady DLC practices in any game ever made.

File: 1464452558096.gif (923KB, 464x407px) Image search: [Google]

923KB, 464x407px

>>377358440
is there anyone I shouldn't waste my time leveling up?

just got Clive and his men, now I can't just use everyone.

>>377358675
Explain. What's wrong with the dlc?

>>377358675
Getting it tomorrow, how does the base game play without DLC? Awakening felt like a complete game that didn't require the DLC, so how does Echoes stand up?

>tfw Amazon is using their own logistical services and lost my package

>>377358727
Python and Tobin

>>377358814
for starters, all the dlc together costs more than the base game

File: 1477107145757.png (271KB, 437x575px) Image search: [Google]

271KB, 437x575px

>>377359112
>Tobin
>bad

>>377358440
It just wasn't as good as Awakening. When is the next good Fire Emblem coming out?

>>377358440
>remake a game that is known as hands down the worst in the franchise
>don't fix what made Gaiden shitty in the first place and just give it a new coat of paint and some supports

>>377359206
tomorrow

>>377359168

And it's all optional shit that makes the game easier than it already is.

File: 123.gif (3MB, 400x225px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 400x225px

>>377359176
>Tobin
>good
How? I set him as a Archer and he's dogshit

>>377359417
Make him a mage and he gets excalibur at level 6 and then physic as a sage.

File: Deen_Echoes.png (258KB, 512x512px) Image search: [Google]

258KB, 512x512px

Squidward

>>377359505
Well fuck. I'm almost at the end of chapter 1, can I change him back to a Mage?

>>377359772
All promotions are final unless it's a Dread Fighter. Dread Fighters can reclass back into Villagers at level 20 and are thus able to loop levels infinitely until they cap their stats or you get bored. Besides, Echoes isn't so punishing that one villager promotion will screw you. Python can do the archer thing just fine.

how the fuck am I supposed to handle the necromancer on the ship in act 2? he's strong as shit and can spawn 6 terrors at will.

>>377359168
Awakening had the same thing, the only reason your retarded ass noticed now is because Nintendo is offering a bundle that adds it up.

If the game doesn't need the DLC to be a full game then I'm good.

>>377359417
tobin is best villager mage now but kliff is obviously more popular because hes the canon mage and tobin is canon archer

not really that big of a deal

>>377360159
i noticed it with awakening right away, and it wasn't good back then either
don't rude

so when you're able to control both armies does it matter who i control? like if i do all of the battles for one army first does it do anything to the other?

>>377360159
they locked the last tier classes behind dlc paywall so you can't promote into it. so there's that.

>>377358440
THE ONLY WRONG THING ABOUT GAIDEN REMAKE IS THAT THEY REMAKE GAIDEN INSTEAD OF A BETTER FE

I forgot I preordered this game, was just gonna freeshop it. Amazon already charged so whatever. I shouldn't have any issues nabbing the dlc from freeshop with a cart version, right?

>>377358440
What went wrong: Grinding; there should never be a way to get unlimited xp in a strategy rpg.

What went right: Getting rid of all the waifu shit.

>>377360437
They are completely unnecessary and will make the game easier than it already is, by the time you can promote to them you will already be at the end of the game.

>>377360904
is that including the post game chapter?

>>377361012
Yes, assuming you didn't grind like a turbo autist you won't have everyone at lv 20 at their final promotion at the final boss

>>377361206
so if i promote asap and play normally i can beat chapter 6 without reaching l20 final promotion?

>>377360408
Nope, you reach points where you'll have to wait for the other army to reach their end point, though enemies can spawn and move on either side while controlling either army so you have to watch that you don't leave a character somewhere where they can be ambushed

File: Kamiyama.jpg (17KB, 210x240px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 210x240px

This is Atlas.

Should you promote units asap or wait?

>>377360479
Nope, I did that with SMT IV and Smash

>>377362340
asap but don't rush

>>377362340
ASAP, Echoes' relatively low growth rates and the fact that promotions automatically bump up character's stats to match the class' base stats if they're lower makes it the most optimal choice.

>>377360159
The difference is they were prepared for Awakening to be their last game. They didn't care about preserving their name, just make as money as possible by shitting DLC out the ass. That's not the case anymore so they need to stop doing it.

>>377362502
Am I being memed or is Gaiden really that different?

File: 1493920107806.gif (3MB, 660x520px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 660x520px

>some guy marries Faye, all while aware she still wants Alms dick
>Faye even disappears for long periods of time

File: Dandy.jpg (86KB, 640x360px) Image search: [Google]

86KB, 640x360px

>>377362321
This is Berkut.

File: Guts_Portrait.jpg (94KB, 468x468px) Image search: [Google]

94KB, 468x468px

>>377362928
This is Conrad.

>>377362701
It's 100% true. Gaiden was really weird; the comparisons between FE1/Gaiden and Legend of Zelda/Zelda 2 aren't just shitposting

File: 9373-des.jpg (21KB, 550x309px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 550x309px

>had CE reserved, but the store fucked up and will not have CE at all
>last chance is a luck gamble at the local flea stone, where they may or may not have the CE tomorrow
>MFW
Those fucks always get the games, but CE is pure luck. Some weeks ago my main store from there got a bravely default and bravely second CE even years after their release.

File: Meryl Stryfe.jpg (90KB, 708x480px) Image search: [Google]

90KB, 708x480px

>>377363137
This is Rinea

Normal or Hard for first playthrough?

Should I pick Alm or Celica route?

>>377364119
Hard/Classic, you're going to be bored

You don't pick

File: 1488440645725.jpg (221KB, 540x622px) Image search: [Google]

221KB, 540x622px

>>377358675
>tier 4 promotions that are completely new for Gaiden
>2 sets of money and dunegon grinding DLCs for people who like that
>5ish prequel story DLCs that are the only ones that actually matter
Fire Emblem DLC has always been the kinda DLC that you only buy if you want whatever the specific DLC gives you, genuine bonus content. It can be admittedly pricey, bug it's been costing more than the base game since awakening. People are just bandwagon onto it being anti consumer because for the first time Nintendo announced the full price outright.

i think this game would resonate with people more if the dungeon crawling was sprite-based, like fates's castle area
why make the least important part of the original game the most tedious? everything else is 1:1 and this makes no sense

FREESHOP WHEN?

File: 1482103599306.png (5KB, 187x267px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 187x267px

>>377364285
I have a feeling this was just testing out some kind of idea they might have for the Switch game. I don't like this feeling.

>>377362473
This.
Promotion bumps stats up to the base stats of the next tier class but you could end up boned on the final tier if you promoted asap only to get bad rng with no extra stats in reserve.

File: 1458710543230.jpg (297KB, 1000x770px) Image search: [Google]

297KB, 1000x770px

>>377363972
This is Silque.

Which Echoes character do you want added to Heroes?

>>377364624
i HATE this feeling
dungeon crawling and strategy rpgs do not go together at all

Worth the pirate if i just want to enjoy some basic ass fire emblem with great art?
How long for the campaign?

>>377364880
Saber
>>377364970
40 hours

>>377364695
>Silque and Mika voiced by same person
>Both thicc
Pottery

>>377365428
>Both thicc
Is there evidence of Silque being thick?

File: It_Was_Me__Dio!.jpg (96KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

96KB, 1280x720px

>>377364695
Saber

>>377359074
>Not getting it until Monday because Amazon fucked up
While I know Gaiden isn't the best game in the series are people enjoying the game?

File: FE_Echoes_Silque.png (3MB, 902x3144px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 902x3144px

>>377365567
She has a very thicc dress

File: Dio Brando suit.jpg (219KB, 850x1202px) Image search: [Google]

219KB, 850x1202px

>>377365723
Zeke

How should i distribute my villager classes? :thinking:

I was gonna buy but then -

>no waifus

Lmao what is the point of this shit game then?

>>377359176
>>377359417
I put Tobin as a cavalier and he crits fucking everything

>>377365920
tobin mage
faye cleric
grey merc
kliff archer or cav

>>377366070
Husbandos.

Echoes is an otome game. That's the audience IS wanted with it.

>>377359505
Faye gets physic as a cleric and another physic user joins by the time Tobin learns it.

File: 1495158176101.jpg (248KB, 1117x518px) Image search: [Google]

248KB, 1117x518px

Faye

>>377365920
Gray-Merc; it fixes his speed issue
Tobin-Mage; early excalibur and later physic is nice
Kliff-Cavalier; its nice to have an early one and he's pretty good honestly, though he gets outclassed by Mathilda

>>377365920
Faye - Cleric
Kilff - Mage
Tobin - Archer
Grey - Merc
Atlas - Cav/Merc

>>377366635
The more the merrier. How is it bad to have three physic users?

>>377366574
But isn't half the male cast of this game super gay?

>>377358675
>Pointless class DLC with level requirements so high they are pointless
>Story DLC for literal whos like Clive and Ferdinand
>Grinding DLC

At least the DLC is pointless and the only worthwhile DLC is like $8 Canadian for Cipher DLC.

>>377366694
>all peg knight
Why

>>377366635
mages have low movement so tobin at least has the option to do something while trekking behind

File: 1490919258586.jpg (34KB, 275x476px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 275x476px

>>377366881
She must carry on the tradition.

>>377366913
the radical move differences in gaiden is interesting; mages being as slow as knights is odd

What should I avoid going into this? Bad class choices, shitty magic, etc. Never played the original Gaiden and I'm scared.

>>377367108
They had the same mov as knights in PoR too.

>>377366913
Sonia and Delthea learn rewarp
Faye learns again that can give mages another turn
sages can heal on non attacking turns
what are magic rings

>>377366881
>archer (male only class in echoes) in Heroes
Why

>>377367272
Sonia is worthless and should never be chosen
The only good mages are Celica, Mae and Delthea
Faye would be better off giving Dread Fighters another turn
Magic Rings are shit in Echoes

>>377367356
Faye has a penis. That's why Alm doesn't want her.

What units shouldn't be used?
Which ones are recommended?

>>377360085
Remember they attack with magic, so use one of your mages to tank a hit from him. Mae is most likely your best bet. He doesn't pursue you until you enter his range, but he summons every second turn iirc. Focus on cleaning the terrors and then take a turn to wail on him

I'm on the part where I have to choose Sonya or Deen. Which one should I choose?

>>377367503
>Sonia
>Excalibur
>Rewarp
>Entrap
>worthless
What is this meme. Why give dread fighters another turn when you can have Silque summon another legion of dread fighters another turn. Magic rings are good in echoes.

>>377367832
As Alm, Kliff and Clair are some of your highest potential units. If you don't get fucked over by RNG, you can also use Faye and Lukas quite reliably. Gray is pretty great early and mid game but he tends to get outclassed more near the end. Silque is obviously a necessity.

With Celica, Mae and Saber are your best early game units. Drop Boey, or just use him for support bonuses. Catria is also one of the best units in the game, imo.

>>377367160
>Bad class choices
Unless you use a Villager Fork, there are only 5 characters that you can choose to reclass.
Gray should be a Merc to patch up his bad speed.
Tobin works as both a Mage and an Archer. He doesn't get as many Spells as Kliff, but he gets the ones that matter earlier.
Kliff works as anything; He's so good he actually got nerfed from his Gaiden version.
Faye can either go Pegasus or Cleric. I like Cleric since having two Healers is invaluable.
Atlas works as a Merc and only a Merc, but he still isn't as good as Saber.

All Magic has it's uses. Fire is the least HP expensive, Thunder can attack at 3 range, Excalibur is stupidly strong, Seraphim is effective against Terrors, etc. Also, the reason I suggest making Faye a Cleric is because Healing Costs HP, and the only way for a lone Cleric to get that HP back is to use Nosferatu, which has 0 Might and like 60% Hit Chance.

Here's a list of other stuff to watch out for.
>Archers only do effective damage against fliers if they have an actual Bow in their Weapon slot
>Archers can attack at 1 range, and, depending on the equipped bow, can go up to 5 range.
>Terrain gives INSANE avoid bonuses in this game. Gravestones in particular give +60 Avoid
>Magic ignores Terrain
That's all that comes to mind right now.

>>377360437
The Over Classes weren't in the original game. Gaiden only had 3 tier promotions. They're completely optional and not needed to clear the game or Chapter 6.

>>377368612
How good is Aura?

When should I class change my villagers? Tobin can apparently class change at level 3.

>>377368612
The worst thing about Tobin and Atlas is the fact that no matter what they promote to, they're always vastly outclassed by another unit.

Atlas especially. His stats are so low and he takes a lot of training, and even when you're finished he won't be as good as other units.

>>377358675
That's why plan to buy the game and pirate the shit out of the rest.

>>377360437
People already beat Chapter 6 on hard without Over-Classes or grinding DLC anyway.

>>377368965
I waited until level 10 since the EXP gain was still really good, but you could promote early. When you promote to a new class you're automatically buffed up to the class' minimum stats.

>>377368965
ASAP, their stats move up to the promotion minimum. Promotion bonuses are more important that growths in Gaiden.

Loving the art style and the supports are amazing so far

The biggest problem is the shitty fetch quests

Clair is best girl

>>377369029
>His stats are so low and he takes a lot of training, and even when you're finished he won't be as good as other units.
These units make me sad in every FE.

>>377364285
It was like that in Gaiden, in line with the other Famicom RPGs of the time with the whole top down sprite based random encounter bullshit.
It sucked and I like the 3rd person dungeon crawling they did for Echoes.

>>377368894
It hits like a Truck but weighs just as much as one.
It's really only useful on Mages without Excalibur.

>>377369029
Yeah, Atlas is in a pretty bad spot. Tobin at least has prime availability. Atlas has nothing good going for him.

>>377369029
Ironically, my freshly promoted myrm Altas does more work than fucking Conrad who's like 8 levels above at that point.

>>377358440
haven't played echoes yet but gaiden just wasn't very good to begin with

>>377369231
>the supports are amazing so far
I dunno how you can say this because almost all of the supports I've seen have been short and bare.

>>377369496
To be completely fair it's always possible for a mediocre unit to get godly level ups. However the reason they're considered so mediocre is due to poor growth, so if you don't get constant good rolls then you're SOL. Sometimes you can get really lucky

>>377369156
>>377369208
how do you class change villagers anyway?

>>377369782
Visit a Shrine when they're at the appropriate level, in their case level 3.
You have to visit a Shrine to promote in general.

>>377369623

Comparing it to the shitty supports in Fates and Awakening

So it's honestly best to promote as soon as possible? Why is that if anyone is willing to explain it?

>>377370167
Bad growths combined with high stat bases on promoted classes.

>>377370167
Promotion buffs up characters to the base stats of their next class.
Using an example from a previous thread: If Saber has 4 def and promotes to Myrmidon, which has a class base def of 7, he gets +3 def to reach that base.

When the fuck does Silque get better?
She's a waste of fucking space and Faye can do her job 20x better than her.

Also Dead man mire is a pain in the ass.

>>377359339
What made it shitty in the first place?

>>377370507
She gets fucking warp and breaks the game

>>377362703
I can't tell who's the bigger cuck.

>>377370613
gaiden had really boring open rout maps and extremely low hit rates, plus dumb gimmicks like a boss that could only be damaged on turns that were a multiple of 4, which combined to make it super tedious.

I'm not the other guy and and haven't played echoes, so I can't comment on if any of that is improved, but I imagine there are at least some quality of life improvements.

>>377358440
I bough echoes because im a super fan, im still struggling to make sense of not improving anything about map design, you know one of the biggest parts of the series. Sometimes i swear they want to 1 up the pokemon franchise in how awful they can be with remakes.

>TFW more than 4 units get only a single +1 per level when you're on turn 18

Time to fucking restart this shitty desert level AGAIN

>>377370983
Gotta be faithful.

>>377371163
Which one?
And for your sake I hope it's not Grieth's Fortress.

>>377370983
Personally I prefer the generic open maps, especially when compared to Fates. God that game was so fucking gimmicky

>>377371258
Desert stronghold. Boy I love moving 1 space while getting assaulted by mages and archers

File: 1483847780764.jpg (105KB, 1282x679px) Image search: [Google]

105KB, 1282x679px

Post Celica NOW

File: Faye.png (560KB, 462x1005px) Image search: [Google]

560KB, 462x1005px

>>377362703
>After a few days of Faye's absence, the nameless man finds Faye crying along the outer perimeter of Zofia Castle
>Has to bring her back home every time, has sex with Faye out of sympathy since they ARE married, and she deserves to feel loved
>Faye feels nothing because she's getting the D not the A, is mostly silent around the house, lost in fantasy and thought
>Faye gets divorced because she gave her husband no love and kept comparing him to Alm in every aspect (Except sex, because she never got with Alm)
>Finds herself as an even bigger failure, and ends her life somewhere in the woods
>On the tree where she lay dead, you can see a carving of a heart with A+F inside it
BAD END

Seriously though, with no Alm is there even a good end for her?

File: Celica_(FE13_Artwork).png (3MB, 2000x3220px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 2000x3220px

>>377371370

>>377371757
Honestly though I really liked her, but it kind of sucks to see that for her entire life she's always been completely devoted to Alm and gotten nothing out of it.

Getting it tomorrow.

>>377371830
>Loli mage Celica
>Dread Fighter Alm
>Sword-limb Ike
>Bride Eirika
>Fate/Extra Micaiah

Awakening DLC was weird outside of the swag Ephraim redesign.

File: 1492050734642.png (373KB, 680x495px) Image search: [Google]

373KB, 680x495px

>>377371757
>>377362703

>>377371171
>Hmm this is one pf the worst received games in the series, lets remake it but improve barely anything.

>>377371171
>Echoes trailer makes fun of pair-up
>Very same trailer shows off summoners, boat maps and desert maps with archers and calls Gaiden "masterful tactical combat"

Do you think they'll stop the avatar shit from now on or just remakes won't have it?

I liked how they "insert" you in 7 with you just being a fucking tactician and that's it. Beyond that I think avatars should go away.

Why is FE fans so bad?

Mario Galaxy and Mario 64 are not the same
But fans say they are fine.

FE fans like Sonic fans.

Any idea what the DLC actually will be?

>>377372360
I hope we get more avatars. I hope every future game has them.

If the main character is going to be a mary sue, might as well be a self-insert. I'm sick if Ike dicksucking when he's just as big a mary sue as Robin.

>>377372360
MU's will most likely be a staple for all the new games. The problem lies in whether or not they can do it right.

>>377372653
Honestly, I Kris is forced into a story and Corrin is a huge attention hog, I actually liked Robin.

>>377372323
Probably to appeal to people who don't like modern FE.

>>377372653
honestly as long if they don't shoehorn MU's into any future remakes i'll be happy

>>377372734
Corrin was the fucking worst because of that shit-tier personality.

He goes to war but commands his army not to kill a single enemy and cries when someone does die. Alm, meanwhile, doesn't give a fuck and even talks about hunting down and killing a straggler

>>377372527
Ike dicksucking is not as bad as Hector dicksucking

>>377372748
Kek, you mean for people who like grinding, large empty maps and rout maps then?

I love how Gaiden is suddenly a good game defended by people who have never played it.

>>377372460
Some grinding DLC for gold/exp/weapons, etc. You can get Starsphere shards and build the Starsphere in one of them.
A series of prologue missions that take place during the beginning of the rebellion and before Lukas goes to Alm's village.
Over Classes, which are basically strong as fuck 4th tier promotion classes.
Cipher character tie in's, probably the only one worth grabbing.

>>377372748
>Gaiden
>Classic FE gameplay

U WOT M8

>>377372748
the problem is that gaiden was the blueprint for Awakening/birthright in terms of mindless routfest gameplay. It only appeals to people who dislike modern FE for superficial aesthetic reasons.

>>377371757
>keeps blowing off Silque because not Alm related.
She comes off as a clingy bitch desu.

>>377372653
The issue is how important the MU is. First half or so of Awakening was fine since it wasn't about you until it was and it made it worse. Fate was all about you and at no point was that a good thing. What they need to do is be kind of like FE7 where you are just following the group while being in the background.

>>377358440
>no marriage system

why, intsys

waifu shit was what rescued fe from death's door.

i just liked playing matchmaker and ensuring my soldiers got laid

>>377372991
>>377372876
Hey man, go ask them, it's how a lot of people saw it.
>It's not modern FE so it's definetly devoid of waifus and has nothing but top tier desert maps
From what I've seen, fans are really spiteful on Awakening and Fates.

>>377373128
>being in the background

There is literally no need to place a main character in the background just because you are a massive beta.

>>377372876
I like Gaiden.
I agree it's not for everyone though.

>>377373160
Because you know everyone would pair Alm with Faye

>>377373208
It's RD/ PoR fags at their finest. Fuckers won't even play pre-FE9 games.

>>377370983
>Shadow Dragon and FRLG are pretty much the same game except modernized; the new additions are mediocre and unnecessary, but gameplay-wise they added everything they needed to
>Gaiden and HGSS are both very comfy and detailed remakes that fail to fix any of the many serious issues with the original and are crippled as a result
>New Mystery and ORAS ruin fucking everything, cutting out a substantial part of the originals in the process; in spite of this they still somehow end up being better games than both that surround them

>>377372360
I like avatars because they're pretty much the only way to get people actually complain about lords without giving them useless stats (and even then, Roy and Micaiah still have more fans than male Corrin.)

I wonder how things might've been different if Ephraim and Ike had been avatars with literally no other changes. How hated do you think they'd be? All the shitposting about how awful Corrin is is way more fun than people unironically sucking Ike's flawless thirty-inch dick (the longest, thickest, and hardest of all heroes to ever exist!) for all eternity.

>>377372360
>>377372653
The problem with MUs is that they are a huge resource drain.
You HAVE to make it so that the MU can support every other character in the game, and writing the 90-120 Support conversations for just one character really limits what you can do with the rest of them.

>>377373273
the charm of gaiden for me was the dumb broken shit like angel ring and level 7 infinite range warp on silk, but I've heard they nerfed a lot of that

>>377373128
They really should just let the player make the call more often in Fates, not just at that one decision on wheter you want a good game or not. It's such a waste of good design too, Corrin looks really good (at least the girl does) but his dumb Disney princess schtick can get annoying.

If MU's going to be a staple, just make them regular Tacticians like in Awakening before Grima showed up and be best buds with the main lord.

>>377373387
>I wonder how things might've been different if Ephraim and Ike had been avatars with literally no other changes. How hated do you think they'd be?
They'd still be liked more than Corrin, because at least they know that you're supposed to kill people in a war.

>>377373387
what did new mystery cut from book 2? Unless you mean cutting book 1

Is the US version on the freeshop already? I'm too lazy to check

>>377373451
The EO1 remake was the same.

>Remake the first, most barebones game in the series
>Barely add anything new, and the new skill feature is tedious and grindy
>Nerf all the fun stuff like Immunize

>>377373639
Checked a while ago, it's not. I just downloaded the cia instead.

>>377373394
Or MU can still have limited paths you can take. Just like in real life everyone isn't going to suck your dick or like you.

Have limited supports would be way better for a MU especially if it focuses on "core" characters of the games their in, and fuck the extra character supports for everyone else could just be DLC for nintendo to make more digibucks on.

>Removed waifushit

There's nothing wrong, if anything people will use this to try and shit on the game

>Archers and bows in general get an average of around 75%
>Half their hits are going to miss basically
>Train an archer they said, they get better they said
>Get Bow Knight
>Still get subpar 75%~ hit percentage still

Wow, what a giant waste of time and experience.

>>377373819
>Removed waifushit

Gadien didn't have that in the first place. It also didn't have good maps, good balance or good gameplay, but people defend it anyway because NO WAIFUS 10/10 GAME.

>>377373896
>75% Hit
>Bad

Wheres the titlekey?

File: 1487982174495.png (40KB, 152x254px) Image search: [Google]

40KB, 152x254px

>>377373819
>if anything people will use this to try and shit on the game

Good. This will only mean the waifu count for FE Switch will triple. I can't wait.

>>377371370
My friends said I look like Celica

>Otome game
>New female character can't get smashed by the main character
>Or any male character
Fucking A+ work, IS

Is it already out or did it leak?
you know if you don't buy this game fire emblem will become a waifu game permanently.

>>377374061
right here
https://pastebin.com/qD4k58HF

File: 1480299134807.png (16KB, 259x224px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 259x224px

>>377374118
Why are you fucking lying?

>>377374118
Pics or gtfo

>>377373945
on the other hand, I recognize the gameplay flaws but am buying it mostly because it features my waifu Palla

>>377373896
Honestly, just forge an Iron Bow to max, and have the archer's support buddies nearby. So Lukas/Clive/Forsyth for Python, Alm for Tobin, or Tobin/Alm for Kliff.

>>377373353

It's FE7 babies, it always is. Whenever they complain, they post some screenshots of Hector, Eliwood or Lyn. It's so easy to spot them.

>>377373896
kliff gets suppor for hit did you use him as archer instead of tobin right?

also i gave leon +3skl from the shrine in chapter 2 and he never has hit problems

>Just a paint job over a old game is bad
There's QoL stuff too. Plus Wonder Boy Dragon's Trap is fucking amazing so I have no qualms on what they did with Gaiden.

>>377374118
L O N D O N
O
N
D
O
N

File: 1248623923350.png (114KB, 293x279px) Image search: [Google]

114KB, 293x279px

>>377359339
>>377358440
>Gaiden has always been my favorite
>hyped as fuck when I saw the remake announcement
>saw dumb fucks like OP on /v/ talking about "muh revival of muh classic FE"
>told everyone many times that they had no idea what they were in for, and that they would not like it
>got called an Awakening baby
I fucking knew this shit would happen, and the tears are delicious. GBA kids and Teliusfags are the very worst. Even worse than Awakening babies.

>>377359168
>only fire emblem does this!

>>377372360
All MU needs is to have choices.

>make major story decisions
>more customization options
>pick starting class like fe12
>distribute your growths freely from a pool of points
>multi-path supports depending on how you respond

>>377373339
>pair Alm with Claire
>Celica btfo
>Gray btfo
>Tobin btfo
>Faye btfo

>>377374806
I like Echoes though, and I started with 7.

File: Clair.png (197KB, 365x704px) Image search: [Google]

197KB, 365x704px

>>377372527
I'd marry her in a heartbeat

>>377374806
It has terrible maps and boring enemy placement in an SRPG. That's about 70% of the game crippled because of poor design choices.

Sure, the characters are great and the story is well-written, but it sure doesn't make up for the most important aspect of a video game; gameplay. Conquest did maps right and it's disappointing that they'd keep the thing people complained most about Gaiden.

Anyone got a link to the undub .cia?

>>377375651
I'd consider it if she fixed those hideous bangs. As she is she's an inferior Matilda.

>>377375651

Clair a cute.

File: 046501654.png (178KB, 512x474px) Image search: [Google]

178KB, 512x474px

>loli is the best unit in the game

What did they mean by this?

Supports are unlimited in Echoes right?

>>377376981
>best
>but only if you painstakingly baby her to catch her up at all
She's a meme like Nino.

So are the archers full on gay or is it just me?

>>377358440
Does the spoof undub .cia actually work?
seeing mixed reports

>>377377237
>ridiculous stats for a low level
>is a mage and can kill shit easily

Nah, not really. Spend a little bit of time in the dungeon that's near where you get her and she'll be caught up in no time

>>377376073
Sick opinions, broski. It's just funny that you people are bitching about something that would have been obvious from day 1 if you had actually played the original game.

Let's make a defense team /v/. Just got Xander up to 40.

>>377376073
>Conquest did a couple of maps right

Fixed. wasn't worth it suffering through that shitty writing.

File: image.png (2MB, 750x1334px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 750x1334px

>>377377771
Shit mybad, I forgot the pic. Bonus points if I can get Xander on the team.

>>377358675
You can buy the game for $31 on amazon brand new, quit being a cheapo, NA audiences incisting that games be brought down to this level was inevitably going to have them look for other ways to sell the game for the value it was produced at, even if you never see it that way, they are still selling games for $80/$90 dollars in Japan, I don't see anything wrong with buying an FE game for $70 bucks

>>377377836
Fuck off to the right thread retard

>>377358949
it's the exact same type of dlc, some exp/gold stuff, some extra class stuff, some challenge and bonus maps

>>377364910
it's fun though

>>377361474

Absolutely, although chapter 6 is the definition of shitty DLC bait. You shouldn't waste your time with it.

>>377373602
I far as I know nothing, it's funny how people are kinda cold on new mystery now, I remember when it first got translated and even before that, people were so hyped to play it cause it basically fixed everything that was wrong with Shadow Dragon, I'm suprised how much opinion has changed since.

>>377369906

Don't kid yourself. It's even shorter and shittier than Awakening and Fates.

>>377373726
didn't MU in New Mystery only have supports with his starting unit?

File: 1464015289016.jpg (24KB, 202x234px) Image search: [Google]

24KB, 202x234px

freeshop when

>>377378871
Switch version maybe

>>377378871
there's free dlc too

>>377374829
Do you know what thread you're in?

>>377369906
Just cause it's better then one shit doesn't mean it's good

File: angry_pepe.jpg (39KB, 900x900px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 900x900px

>level up
>+1 Speed


this shit happened way too often.

>>377379938
At least it's not +1 Res

>>377379938
speed is crucial in this game, you dumb fag
I'm this close to benching Boey because he can't double shit.

>>377377237
It's nowhere near as painful to level up Delthea as it is Nino. That's why she's still generally considered good.

File: 9790b0c42c5d3f1ff863d09347862628823ba4de_hq.jpg (51KB, 800x723px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 800x723px

>>377380025
>+1 stat is ok

>>377379938
Get used to it, stats were super fucking inflated in the last 2 games

File: bullied_kyouko.jpg (29KB, 497x497px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 497x497px

I-is it out on freeshop yet?

>>377380141
get used to it.

>>377379938

>Level up
>+1 skill
>Character uses swords

why.jpg

Is this game good?

File: 1459707362793.jpg (73KB, 600x300px) Image search: [Google]

73KB, 600x300px

>>377379938
Welcome to classic growth rates, faggot.

>>377379978
don't know if they've changed this but in the original gaiden res growths were 0%

>>377380141
This is such a nuFEfag post.

I like new artist. He can stay.

>My copy is going to get in a week late
FUCK

>>377380301
if you have to ask, no, its bad

>get Mathilda
>that shit-tier defense
My fucking mages have more defense than a fucking PALADIN

>>377358440
>tfw I preordered this

File: 370.png (259KB, 500x523px) Image search: [Google]

259KB, 500x523px

>>377380408
>bad things are good because it's old

File: photo-53468.jpg (7KB, 150x143px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 150x143px

>>377380625
>things can't be balanced differently according to mechanics

>>377380625
You're used to inflated growths from the newer games. In the older games, 1-2 stat level ups are still great if those stats are good stats.

Getting 4-5 stat growths every single time in Awakening and Fates makes the games a lot more boring too desu.

>>377380602
She's still one of the best units in the game. Besides defense, her bases and growths are great, and she can put in some work with the horseslayer

>>377380902
I already have cavalier Faye with the horseslayer and she's literally better than her in every way. Not even Paladin yet.

>>377380835
>>377380880
new games are better.

old balance suck

conquest has best map design and actual difficulty with good and rewarding stat growth

move on.

>>377358675
Is it as bad as Fates where the true path was dlc? Or is it just optional/bonus content?

>>377379938
Awakening/Fates baby confirmed

File: 1484791716527.png (5KB, 162x229px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 162x229px

>People will love SoV when it comes out and shits on any one who dislikes it
>few months later
>people hate it

>>377381019
Hello shitboster

>>377380967
Well if you got lucky enough with Faye then sure. No reason not to use both though; really Mathilda has great growths. And Gold Knights are amazing.

>>377380880
>pointless level up where nothing changed is good and fun

whoa....
so this is the power of nostalgia fuel

>>377381215
nice argument

>>377381235
>nothing changed
Excuse me? You got an increase in a very important stat. FE is a series that revolves around small numbers. +1 can make a big difference. What are you bitching about exactly?

File: DSC07683.jpg (2MB, 2592x1944px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2592x1944px

>best girl already found

>>377381019
some old games had high growths too
FE4 second generation and FE5(with scroll abuse) could get pretty ridiculous

>>377358440
G A M E P L A Y

If it just took Conquest's enemy AI and gameplay and had half decent maps(even fucking Awakening/Birthright maps are better than Echoes', jesus christ) and used Echoe's story then it would have been the best 3DS Fire Emblem.

>>377381580
Fates gameplay is shit.

>>377381476
its pretty interesting; the old FE games by Kaga are known for having bad growths in comparison to new FE, but Kaga always put in ways to alleviate bad growths and level ups. Either with very powerful stat boosters, grinding, starsphere shards/crusader scrolls, or having low stat caps.

>conquest has best map design and actual difficulty with good and rewarding stat growth

>rewarding stat growth
Trained anyone other than the Royals? By late game they become pair up fodder.

>best map design
Let me abuse stairs to hit and run from the enemy. Let's also not forget the wind map.

>actual difficulty
Giving enemies skills they would not normally get or enemy exclusive skills to butt fuck your units. I'm looking at the lunge corridor and ninja corridor specifically.

Tell me a good Fire Emblem i can play on a hacked 3ds

>>377381580
Fates has the absokute worst weapons triangle. Fuck red only magic.

>>377381750
Echoes doesn't even HAVE a weapon triangle

>>377381645
If you think Fates is shit then Echoes is a pile of shit covered in more shit

>>377370983
>specifically say you wanted to make a quick game because you didn't have a lot of time with feswitch looming
>why didn't they redesign the strategy in a strategy game
It's pretty straightforward reasoning on their part.

>>377364285
I don't have issues with dungeons, i have issues with the maps

>>377381858
Nigger, they had to skip on the weapon triangle because there aren't even playable axe weilders.

>>377381858
>Echoes doesn't even HAVE a weapon triangle
Good. It makes the game funnier this way.

Piss off. Fates gameplay is just retarded
>hurrr durr all stats drop when clinked by a shuriken
>hurr durr silver weapons are fucking shit

>>377381858
I don't know, the characters i've seen in the supports video are much better than the Fates character.

>>377377249
One of them clearly is. The other is ambiguous.

File: Seisen_no_Keifu(2).jpg (140KB, 297x536px) Image search: [Google]

140KB, 297x536px

This is inevitabley going to be the next Echoes remake. State your wishes here.

>Fix up money transfer so you can select how much gold to want to give to other units instead of dropping the entire wallet on them
>Give bow knights swords upon promotion
>Keep the fuckhuge maps, no reason Switch can handle them and they add a sense of full scale warfare.
>Remove pursuit, make doubling act as it does now
>Add actual supports and more conversations between commonly paired couples who have otherwise no interactions(IE Holyn/Dew and Briggid)

>>377380070
Not him, and that's fair, but I feel like best unit is an exaggeration.
She's great when trained up sure, but I honestly never really ended up using her much in my no grind playthrough aside from some big chipping with Aura and killing armors/barons. I usually had better options for other enemy types. Paladins/Gold Knights died to Mathilda with a Ridersbane and Gray with a Rapier, Bow Knights were dealt with with my Bow Knight, and Alm was deleting things pretty well himself.
I'm not saying she's bad, but she's not best unit imo.

>>377381961
Just because you got punked on Ninja Cave doesn't make the gameplay bad.

>>377381746
Anything from the SNES, GBA, or DS eras.

>>377381426
What does that expression convey?

>>377382402
Remove Seliph/Julia exploit. I like wincest as much of the next guy, but the incest memes in every corner of FE now are insufferable.

>>377382402
I don't expect them to change much gameplay-wise, so I would like some QoL improvements on the marriage system.

>>377382425
Not best unit when you have Cav gods like Zeke and Mathilda, but she can still be good right off the bat. As the other anon said, her bases are still really good and Alm's route lacks mages compared to Celica's so she's always another very welcome addition, especially since magic just ignores terrain effects, that will make her immediately useful.

>>377382402
I don't really have any wishes. My only expectations are that they're going to keep gameplay relatively unchanged and only add some more talk options to each chapter and generally update the presentation to some glorious looking shit.

>>377382692
Holyn/Ayra, Claude/Sylvia, Ares/Nanna, Lester/Patty, Faval/Lana, and a possible Joha-/Lex!Larcei must remain though.

>>377382507
That's a bit broad

>>377382402
It will sell better because it's a actual good old fe game and BE A GOOD GAME!

>>377382402
People might hate it but maybe someway to add pair up or something equivalent so you aren't wasting so much time moving slowly so the mounted units are hooking up with walking units. It also would make walking units more useful in such a giant map.

>>377382692
FE4 is incest the game. FE8 is up there but FE4 takes it to a whole new level.

>>377381476
>Mfw Sety with 105% speed

>>377382692
FEH certainly didn't help

>>377382402
Once and for all settle the debate on thr Beowulf-Finn-Lachesis love triangle.

>>377382552
being superior

is the dlc on freeshop?

>>377383669
When is there ever DLC on freeShop?

>>377383669
does your mom fuck niggers?

>>377383730
all the time

>>377383669
Is the English game on freeshop yet?

File: FireEmblemEchoes-Catria-Est-Palla[1].jpg (110KB, 700x431px) Image search: [Google]

110KB, 700x431px

Marry, Fuck, Kill.

>>377383791
marry palla, fuck catria, kill est

>>377383784
i haven't checked, i'm currently in the middle of a map

>>377383770
Really? Because I can't find the Fates DLC on freeShop

File: Z45ysA0.png (69KB, 718x602px) Image search: [Google]

69KB, 718x602px

>>377383791
Marry Est, Fuck Palla, Kill Catria

>>377383874
You probably got the Special Edition cia, wtih all 3 games in it. It's not on the eShop catalog, so you won't find the DLC for that on freeshop, you gotta download it separately and install through FBI.

File: IMG_0862.jpg (164KB, 675x1200px) Image search: [Google]

164KB, 675x1200px

>>377383524
Haven't seen it yet. What does it say? As bad as Eirika/Ephraim?

>>377383874
You have to go to dragons gate in the world map

>>377384031
I mean that half the events so far were incest memes, not sure if they had their turn yet

File: Eldi my dear Eldi.png (291KB, 265x475px) Image search: [Google]

291KB, 265x475px

>>377384031
They amusingly went two different ways about it. Ephraim is totally denying it all and saying that any and all rumors about him and his sister are just that. Only rumors.

Meanwhile Lachesis is on Eldigan's dick even harder than ever.

>>377383791
Fuck Palla and Est, kill Catria

>Faye had 18 defense by Duma's Tower as a Gold Knight
>Nothing can hurt her after putting the Blessed Shield on her, tanking 3 fucking Terror Knights and infinite Moguls, only needing the occasional Physic while everybody else clears out the magic users
I'm so glad I benched Valbar.

>>377384025
No, I have the legit game, I just want free DLC

>>377384230
I honestly wonder who is doing the localization of Heroes. Treehouse might be too busy with other things. So it must be a different group.

File: 1450564720515.jpg (279KB, 1100x900px) Image search: [Google]

279KB, 1100x900px

>still not on freeshop
How long does it usually take? I never really freeshopped a game that just released before.

>>377384965
Nothing releases early on freeshop, it will be there when it officially releases on eshop

>>377378526
The funny thing is that I only recently played New Mystery and it's already one of my favourites in the franchise. The game design in general is really tight, although I really wish certain maps from Dragon Hell didn't exist.

File: image.jpg (107KB, 1000x655px) Image search: [Google]

107KB, 1000x655px

>>377384031
>>377384230
I'm glad ISIS still hasn't changed that part of Fire Emblem.

>>377384740
Then just download a full pack DLC cia separately, you can find it on 3DSiso.

File: 1451031261052.jpg (80KB, 512x512px) Image search: [Google]

80KB, 512x512px

>>377385038
But it did. It's on eshop right now.

>>377384965
The .cia has been on 3DSISO for a couple of days now, beat the game already.

>>377385072
Not that anon, but from what I remember there's one person on here who REALLY fucking hates 12, and shits on it at every opportunity. Outside of it introducing MU cancer, the general opinion on it is actually pretty high.

>>377385080
>Seliph/ Julia and Ephraim/ Eirika and Eldigan/ Lachesis came out ON VALENTINE'S DAY

I swear ISIS is trolling is.

File: 1439501518622.gif (4MB, 320x240px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 320x240px

>>377385143

Did they bring back the Lionhead statues that give you +1 to a certain stat from a choice of 2 3 times?

They alleviated Gaiden's low growth rates so I do hope they re-appear.

>>377378526
There's two groups of FE fans: Fates/Awakening/Heroesfags and fags who pretend to have played the pre-Awakening games so they can shit on the aformentioned newfags to the series. Because neither group has ever played the pre-Awakening games, you can spread any kind of memes you want and they'll believe it.

>>377385265
Why the fuck wouldn't they?

>>377385265
Not only are they back, but they have also returned.

>>377385286
>Tfw FE7 fag that played everything

I should go play TRS sometime.

>>377381858
>Echoes doesn't even HAVE a weapon triangle
I'll stand by the statement that the weapon triangle adds relatively nothing in terms of strategic depth and that RD is better off without it in its hard mode.

>>377385417
RD is already hot garbage so adding some complexity to it won't help. I still can't believe RD doesn't get the hate it deserves.

>>377385286
Sorry man, I'm just waiting on a not broken translation patch for Thracia and then I'll have played all the games in the series.

>>377385286
I think my first game was the first or second translation of IV, but I find the oldfags insufferable.

>>377385286
>Forgetting emulatorfags that played Gaiden and Genealogy

>>377377083
Yeah.

>>377372135
It's really refreshing to see a character who can say 'no'.

>>377381426
Maybe I just got really lucky, but my Mae had 7 def by that level, I haven't bothered to look up growth rates yet

>>377385506
Feel it's because it might be the least played of the games. With you having to play PoR to really know what is happening. And people stop caring about Wii games outside of Xenoblade.

>>377387207
it was also not advertised at all and released alongside super mario galaxy

>>377359339
Gaiden doesn't need any "fixing" and is only known as the "worst game in the franchise" by fags who haven't played the game for more than 10 minutes.

It's an extremely underrated game and this remake was probably done to show people that.

>>377387012
As soon as I find a DEF spring, I'm making Mae chug that shit up dry.

>>377380141
>I never played Thracia

I'm at the top of my game!

>>377387321
>is only known as the "worst game in the franchise" by fags who haven't played the game for more than 10 minutes

If people dropped Gaiden 10 minutes it it wouldn't get much hate.

Graveyard, Desert and Swamp maps, summoners, and hilarious class and unit balance come after 10 minutes.

Also BOATS.

>>377382402
>keep the fuckhuge maps
I'd kill a bitch if they removed those maps.

Celica was in the wrong.

>wahhhhh the mother will save us!!!!

fuking retard

>No freeshop release

>>377387898
Did it not hit you that like 80% of the Zofians you talked to were a bunch of lazy fucks waiting on Mila to return to save them?
I'm more surprised that there were actually a few NPCs that accepted how fucked they were for being a bunch of freeloaders.

>>377388034
sound like Thai people.

>>377387957
It's up

>>377389054
Just checked, no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzKptJ9VIiE
I like it.
Silque can sing.

>>377389315
She can sing, but she sure can't act.

>>377387759
>Graveyard, Desert and Swamp maps
>Also BOATS
"Waaaaaah my movement is restricted!" "Waaaah I played 3 boat-maps in a row!!" "Waaaaaaah!!!" Also, map diversity is a good thing.

If you want real arguments how about the fact that they REUSE the same maps in different parts of the continent. That's lazy AND stupid. Or how about how the maps look boring and units move slow because of how old the game is. That's nitpicking and stupid, but at least it's accurate.

The fact that you have to play 3 or 4 VARYING boat maps in a row (which is broken up by 2 land maps in between), while TRAVERSING THE OCEAN is not a legitimate complaint...

>>377389594
>Also, map diversity is a good thing

Only when maps are good.

>Maps with 2/3-movement range filled with archers aren't that slow or tedious

>>377389695
At least they're a change of pace.

Desert maps have never bothered me like they do other "fans" of the series.

>>377389954
Then you are Gaiden's target audience then, good for you.

Some of us like not inching a team slowly turn after turn.

I know it's a really dumb question but can you play echoes without using the L/R buttons? My 3ds is broken and i'm currently balls deep into debt to even order parts from amazon and repair it myself, let alone taking it to a store to fix it.

>>377391060
dungeon crawling will be more annoying since you can't center the camera and you won't be able to zoom maps

At what level is it worth it to promote units?

File: 1460040302878.jpg (36KB, 511x509px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 511x509px

>>377359369
>And it's all optional shit that makes the game easier than it already is.
>Lukas supports
>Optional

>>377391323
asap

>>377391160
That's all then? I've had it worse in other games.

By the way how is the english voice acting? I'm not sure whether to grab that or the undub.

File: 1414394686701.jpg (62KB, 274x500px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 274x500px

>Berith's fort

>>377383791
Rape catria
Marry palla
KILL EST

>>377391506
i haven't heard the jp voices but the eng voices are good
mae's a bit annoying though

Since someone posted this in the last thread I saw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6heFRfHQv0

File: 1474257579350.png (17KB, 119x151px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 119x151px

>21 Speed Dread Fighter Kamui
Him and Saber have been literally carring these shitters from Celica's party