What's the most Non-linear metroidvania?

>>377351783
This game is so boring.

>>377351823
What did you expect? It's a metroidvania.

Dark Souls with Master Key

>>377351783
they're all the fucking same

Minecraft

>>377351783
Hollow Knight

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>>377351783
La-mulana

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>>377351991
The genre is oversaturated but don't act like Super Metroid, Symphony of the Night, La-mulana, and Hollow Knight aren't masterpieces.

>>377352131
SotN is definitely not a masterpiece.

>>377352131
Don't group that western dogshit with the holy trinity, it's embarrassing.

>>377352689
I would call you a nostalgiafag but have you considered that before 2012, there was no holy trinity as La-mulana didn't exist? Hollow Knight is just as good as those other three games.

>>377352131
I heard that there are a fuck ton of permanently missable stuff in La Mulana, which kinda turns me off from it.

>>377352131
Symphony of the Night has style but the actual level design is garbage, I wouldn't put it up with Super Metroid or La-Mulana. Haven't played Hollow Knight yet but I'm hoping it's good.

>>377353053
You're in for a ride. Music, atmosphere, emotion. You'll almost forget that you're a bug c:

>>377351783
Is rabi bibi good?

>>377352949
There's only 3 items that are completely unretreavable but everything else can either be failed puzzles that can be reset in the secret optional area for cash or just by reloading your save. There's also achievements for hearing all the dialogue from Xelpud/Mulbruk as well as getting all the emails, but some of the dialogue can only be heard at certain plot intervals (and due to the non-linear nature of la-mulana, it's based off of a point-system counter. This was so that you would get hints from these characters when you actually needed them) Overall those are just achievements and you can get those with SAM if you really wanted to.

>>377351823
Wasn't it made by one guy then shilled because he has connections with journalists?

>>377352828
Hollow Knight is the perfect example of how NOT to make a metroidvania. It's nothing but stupidly easy platforming sections with nothing to distract you because all you can do is run and jump. There's no puzzles to think about, or fancy space physics to play with, or actually threatening enemies to worry about. You just run around reading some gay story written by some indie retard who thinks endless melancholy is good writing.

>>377353408
3 items a la metroidvania that let you have more movement options? Those are pretty important

>>377353589
>because all you can do is run and jump

Either you only played for less than one hour or you're trolling

There are a ton of collectables and hidden secrets that require use of many movemenet abilities, like this one;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ascqh7RIvYM

>>377353168
Luckily for me I love bugs so that's a bonus.

>>377353408
2 items now, you can get the dimensional corridor item through other non-glitch means after defeating the miniboss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axuHqh9AFlY

>>377353613
The two items that are locked off are locked off because the final area goes through a "change" when every boss is defeated. During this change, the treasure chest for two items disappears. The two items are a health upgrade and a software that does something secret. Basically, you want to explore the final area before beating every boss, which a lot of players end up doing anyway.

>>377353186
Better than any of those desu, the bosses are actually good

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>>377353832
>Game is so geniusly designed that you can solve a puzzle in a completely different way using movement options.
>but it still has two missable items that are only missable because the devs were too lazy to put them in when the area changes.

What little flaws La-mulana has really hurts it, and yet they're otherwise minor and easily fixable flaws. Why haven't the devs ever updated the game?

Prey

>>377353735
Wow, a one directional dash that isn't affected by physics in any way! What an exciting upgrade!

>>377352131
>La-mulana speedrun WR was 1:40 before the zip-glitch was discovered
>Despite the fact that a glitch that lets you walk through walls and geometry is discovered, the WR is only 1:28 now.

What an insane game, what's even more insane is how fucking impossible it is to even come up with the most efficient route I mean holy shit how did speedrunners do it

>>377353589
Is this that same faggot from all the Hollow Knight threads when the game came out? I'll say it again. Metroidvanias aren't hard. If the challenge is so important to you, you wouldn't care about the entire genre.

>>377351783
Toki Tori 2 believe it or not. It's pretty kid oriented, but fairly amazing level design.

>>377355552
>Metroidvanias aren't hard.
Not him but first: Play La-mulana, second: he makes a good point that the game lacks any consistency between gameplay and its atmosphere/narrative, something that SM, SotN, and LM all mastered and ended up making the gameplay more fun and satisfying as a result. Hollow Knight doesn't take the same steps to make the gameplay satisfying, it's really worse than a walking simulator because the gameplay is forced in instead of being natural.

>>377353589
>Stupidly easy platforming
>No puzzles
>No fancy space physics
>No threatening enemies

super metroid?

>>377353735
Hollow Knight is straight up garbage.
Undertale fans touting this shit as a good metroidvania is just pure comedy kino.

I like my metroidvania's to not be piss easy snoozefests.
I like my metroidvania's to not have dogshit OSTs save for 2 tracks.


La-Mulana will forever be the king of metroidvania's.
La-Mulana 2 will be joining it as well more than likely.

>>377354053
>La-mulana was screwed out of a reverse-boss-order run because Viy HAD to be beaten in order to reach Palenque and Tiamat
why is this allowed

>>377354053
>>377355756
>Make weights a super important item
>Make them cost money
>Make money scarce as fuck

made me stop playing tbqh

>>377357419
>money
>scarce
scrub

More importantly, what are the best 3D metroidvanias?

>>377357550
More importantly, fuck off. 3D is shit.

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>>377357550
There's only one good one.

>>377357550
>3D metroidvanias
Darksiders? Castlevania? DMC? Prince of Persia?

What the fuck do you even mean

>>377351783
Definitely not axiom verge. I like it, but it's pretty linear from what I can tell.

>>377351783
Definitely not that garbage game

>>377351783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0bakSQR6IU
Maybe?????

>>377361157
I honestly don't even give the slightest fuck if you're a shill, nice one for bringing this to my attention.
I'm interested to say the least.