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Yakuza is an incredibly lame and cheesy series with mediocre gameplay. Sorry, but you already know that I'm right.

>>377346703
The Witcher 3 is a huge brown turd though.

>>377347289
Right, right, fair enough. Maybe something like The Order 1886 would be up your alley.

oh look its this shit thread again

>>377347289
Appropriate for such a lame and mediocre generation

>>377347493
Nah that was also kinda lame. But at least it wasn't cheesy. The gameplay was too repetitive. Overall a pretty alright game but too short to be worth much of anyhting.

>>377347289
>Yakuza is an incredibly lame and cheesy series with mediocre gameplay.
While it's a wild investment, especially for how much it still costs. Yakuza 0 is by far the best, and only game worth playing in the series.

>>377346703
remove witcher and yakuza

Nioh and nier are missing

Remove that fukkin trash of Zelda and Witcher

>>377347289
>muh sickdark games for mature adults
Why can't you enjoy juvenile games? Loosen the fuck up or go read a book

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>>377346703
>Yakuza
kek

>>377346703
>witcher 3
>game
Its a glorified fucking visual novel because the only thing its good for is everything thats not related to gameplay
How people praise that shit as a "game" is fucking retarded, it had no place being a game and would have worked a thousand times better if they just did away with 80% of the gameplay

>>377346703
You forgot to use the PS4 W3 box art.

>>377347289
>>377347590
>>377347651
>>377347708
>>377347841
>having taste this shit
nu-/v/ was a mistake

>>377347771
Don't make me say the W word

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>>377347976
Yakuza hasn't had a good game since 2, faggot.

>>377347771
Nioh is shit and Nier is essential fedoracore for pre-teens

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>>377348050
>Yakuza hasn't had a good game since 2, faggot.
/v/ BTFO yet again

>>377346703
Someone doesn't own a PC.

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>>377348156
Patrician taste, anon. Found this pic of you.

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>4 cinematic experiences

Wow. i pity anyone who thinks those games are above any other in this industry.

>>377346703
>switch
>eighth generation

Didnt witcher 3 sell more copies than the 3 other games combined?

yakuza is shit
bloodborne is shit
witcher 3 was good
haven't played botw as i don't own a switch

>>377348060
>Nioh is shit
Wow! A minority opinion!
Nioh has better gameplay than all the souls games, objectively.
Also, it has a STORY, it doesn't tell a half assed "story" trough loading screens and item descriptions

>>377348263
Name 5 (FIVE) games worth playing on a PC

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>>377348370
>Botw is a "cinematic experience" when's 99% open-world gameplay

>>377348569
Ehhh minesweeper and uhhhh emulators

>>377348606

>runs at 30 FPS because 60 was too "videogamey"

Same thing that happened with Bloodborne. There's no gameplay if you can't give me good framerate. Also, there's voice acting, cutscenes (doesn't matter how many, there's over an hour and that;'s the threshhold) and they purposely kept out videogamey stuff like a hard mode, because it "ruined the artistic vision".

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Patrician taste coming through:

>Persona 5
>Hollow Knight
>Divinity Original Sin 2
>Nier Automata

>>377348370
So what games aren't a cinematic experience to you? Give me a few examples.

>>377348370
>BB
>le movie meme xD
Holy shit PC cucks are grasping at straws now. You can argue that shit for Uncharted but not BB.

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>>377348840

Here's an example of my 2017 GOTY picks.

>>377348816
>Persona 5 being good
Please end this meme

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>>377348946
>Amazing section
>Puts Indies

>>377348946
Damn, how's Mario Odyssey? Didn't even know it was out!

>>377348958
don't talk shit about games you have never played

>>377348816
How do you enjoy divinity? I played the last one with the gf and we're starting the new one together but honestly I have the hardest time getting into it when combat seems really stilted against you. Idc if a game is hard but I'm not sure what I could be doing differently to make the party win fights when every enemy does more damage and has fucktons of armor.

>>377349042

Considering that consoles have been nothing but rehashes and poorly made cash-in games, I know what Odyssey will be like.

>>377349041

Better an indie game than a cinematic experience.

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>>377348749
It runs at 30 FPS because it's a giant complicated open world game on a handheld you dolt
>Also, there's voice acting, cutscenes (doesn't matter how many, there's over an hour and that;'s the threshhold)
It's a 100+ hour game. The ratio of cutscenes to gameplay is so small that people even complained that their wasn;'t enough story scenes
>and they purposely kept out videogamey stuff like a hard mode, because it "ruined the artistic vision".
No one at nintendo has ever said this you fucking liar. The game was already hard but they decided to add an even tougher difficulty because of it gets easier in the late game

>>377348816
>P5
>good
lol

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>>377349191
>Considering that consoles have been nothing but rehashes and poorly made cash-in games, I know what Odyssey will be like.
Everybody stop replying to this shit-tier shitposter

>>377349075
I have played every persona until now, 5 is without doubts the worst.
You think the story is good? Every anime and jrpg ever
The gameplay? Whoah it is so entertaining to exploit the enemy weakness again and again by pressing the same button for 5 minutes, and those superb designed palaces...

The music? You payed 70€ for 10 songs ok

>>377349243

>It runs at 30 FPS because it's a giant complicated open world game on a handheld you dolt
Not an excuse. They should've sacrificed the graphics, or the story, or the disgusting voice acting, to make it run at 60 FPS. Nothing is allowed to come before the gameplay.

>It's a 100+ hour game.
Yes, and? Uncharted is a 100+ hour game with multiplayer, as is games like Dragon Age: Inquisition. If it's inherently cinematic, that doesn't matter. Get rid of the story and make it run at 60 FPS.

>No one at nintendo has ever said this you fucking liar.
Then why is it behind a season pass? You don't charge money for something that should be standard in a video game.

>>377349093
It's only hard at the very beginning, once you reach level ~10 it becomes much easier. Just remember to abuse environmental objects and interactions, and craft some items for an early edge in combat. Also the Scoundrel class is terrible, never pick it.

What I don't get about Persona 5 is if they just improved the battles. Like adopt the Press Turn system.

What TMS FE didn't nail in atmosphere and aesthetic, they nailed in the gameplay. Persona 5 was the opposite.

>>377349503
Thanks for the tip, we're at level 5 so we've got a ways to go then. We have no scoundrels, two casters and two fighters.

>>377346703
>Bloodborne
Wasn't even in the top 3 of it's year m8.

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>>377346703
Really only needs Bloodborne, the Magnum Opus of this generation

>>377349471
>Not an excuse. They should've sacrificed the graphics, or the story, or the disgusting voice acting, to make it run at 60 FPS. Nothing is allowed to come before the gameplay.
They wouldn't be able to have the physics engine and shit if weren't for 30 fps. You only need 60 fps for fighting, racing, and character action games, etc. Every open world game on consoles except mgsv basically is at 30 fps because open world games are about getting as much fidelity and realism as possible out. I put 150 hours into botw I never cried or had my time ruined because of MUH 60 FRAMES
>Yes, and? Uncharted is a 100+ hour game with multiplayer, as is games like Dragon Age: Inquisition
That's a fucking retarded comparison. Multiplayer doesn't fucking count, we're talking about single player since multiplayer doesn't have cutscenes. DAI is much much more story based than BOTW too
> If it's inherently cinematic, that doesn't matter. Get rid of the story and make it run at 60 FPS.
No it's fucking not, you've never even played the game. You can literally go for 40 hours without ever seeing a cutscene. The "main story" is finding like 17 memories across the world that are like two minutes a piece
>Then why is it behind a season pass? You don't charge money for something that should be standard in a video game.
Multiple difficulty modes ARE NOT standard in video games. Dark Souls? Hundreds of other games that choose to have one consistent experience for everyone? This mode is an afterthought they decided to add later.

>BotW
>8th gen
That's like saying Pokémon Red and Blue was 5th gen since it was released on the GB

>>377350140
Explain why BotW is a 9th gen game then

>>377347886
>B-but muh open warudo

Even BoTW destroys it in that category. The studio may as well have written a novel instead.

Yakuza 0 and Zelda BOTW are basically 7th generation games though, upported to 8th gen.

>>377346703
>BB and BOTW are nearly the worst in their series
>Witcher 3 isn't good for gameplay
>never played Yakuza 0, but its probably the best of those 4

The Witcher 3 literally has the best open world gameplay of the 8th generation, cannot understand fags claiming otherwise.

>>377350124
>You only need 60 fps for fighting, racing, and character action games
Die immediately

>>377348946
Is mario kart 8 trash because its a cash grab cheap port?

I'd also move Night in the Woods below trash tier

>>377346703
Gravity Rush 2 is better than Witcher 3

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>>377350513
You forgot the etc

Do you need(NEED) 60 fps for an open world game. It's definitely nice but 99% of people (even pc players struggling to run the Witcher 3 at high settings) will tell you that it's 100% playable. Stop being such an autistic whore

>>377350369
>BOTW the worst in series
lol

>>377350124

>They wouldn't be able to have the physics engine and shit if weren't for 30 fps
Good. Remove it then. If it's taxing the performance, it doesn't deserve to be there.

>You only need 60 fps for fighting, racing, and character action games, etc.
If your game doesn't "need it" then that's because the game has been severely watered down and no longer requires any skill. It's like saying "RPGs don't need 60 FPS because we removed anything that could kill you in combat".

>That's a fucking retarded comparison. Multiplayer doesn't fucking count, we're talking about single player since multiplayer doesn't have cutscenes. DAI is much much more story based than BOTW too
That doesn't matter since both boast massive amounts of game time, and both have received alot of praise. So either it doesn't matter, or it does.

>You can literally go for 40 hours without ever seeing a cutscene.
Can I go 40 hours without seeing 30 FPS? That's crucial now. Also, those memories are still too much. get rid of them.

>Multiple difficulty modes ARE NOT standard in video games.
Games like Gradius and Contra ALL THE WAY BACK ON THE NES would argue otherwise.

>Hundreds of other games that choose to have one consistent experience for everyone?
Those hundreds of games are normie pandering and couldn't care less about a good experience.

>>377350813
>whore
I'm not the one who willingly spreads his legs for every run-off-the-mill 30fps cashgrab

>>377350813

An awful lot of people class running a game at 30 as not being able to run it. It's mainly due to 60fps being so incredibly easy to get nowadays (although not on highest settings obviously)

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>>377346703
kek, Trash in the Wild is 6th gen because of how shit it looks and plays.

>>377350824
>nearly
learn to read

>>377347886
t. someone with less than 25% of the achievements

>>377346703
Hey that taste looks pretty go-
>Witcher 3

Man, the bait took me a second there. Well done, anon!

>>377351093
Is that you, Ion Hazzikostas?

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>
>is a good game

>holy trinity
>trinity

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>>377349243

>It's a 100+ hour game. The ratio of cutscenes to gameplay is so small that people even complained that their wasn;'t enough story scenes

>>377346703
>nintendo fanboys keep pretending BOTW was a good game

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>>377348946

>>377351392
>metal gear solid 4
>8 and a half hours of cutscenes

every time

>>377350839
>Good. Remove it then. If it's taxing the performance, it doesn't deserve to be there
That's the one best parts of the game idiot. Might as well remove portals from portal
>If your game doesn't "need it" then that's because the game has been severely watered down and no longer requires any skill. It's like saying "RPGs don't need 60 FPS because we removed anything that could kill you in combat".
"Everything that isn't a fast paced action isn't challenging".
>That doesn't matter since both boast massive amounts of game time, and both have received alot of praise. So either it doesn't matter, or it does.
"Undertale is basically the same length as breath of the wild since I spent 5 hours beating the game and another 100 in the main menu listening to that great soundtrack"
>Can I go 40 hours without seeing 30 FPS? That's crucial now. Also, those memories are still too much. get rid of them. 30 fps is fine for BOTW, you're just jelly that you can;t play in on the pc you built that is basically just a shitposting/half-lifemod/indie machine now
Can't even handle the bare minimum of story autist? There's this little thing called CONTEXT FOR YOUR ACTIONS and watching cutscenes is literally .0001% of your playtime or less
>Games like Gradius and Contra ALL THE WAY BACK ON THE NES would argue otherwise.
Those aren't the only games in the world you cretin. I'm saying neither diffculty approach is standard
>Those hundreds of games are normie pandering and couldn't care less about a good experience.
Why are games that don't let you turn the difficulty down to babby mode "normie pandering". I want the game to feel balanced sometimes, not like I choose the wrong difficulty

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>>377351901
>t-that's what you think nintenbro! We finally got off the great plateau without crashing in CEMU. Shit, ignore that missing skybox

>>377346703
>witcher 3

>>377351575

>That's the one best parts of the game idiot.
When it makes the game feel like a movie, I'd hardly consider it that.

>"Everything that isn't a fast paced action isn't challenging".
I see no issue with this statement. It's time we kicked casual games out of the industry.

>"Undertale is basically the same length as breath of the wild since I spent 5 hours beating the game and another 100 in the main menu listening to that great soundtrack"
Why isn't that valid? Clearly the gameplay isn't important in this scenario.

>30 fps is fine for BOTW, you're just jelly that you can;t play in on the pc
"Let's just pretend that I don't own a WiiU and/or have CEMU even if I didn't own it."

>There's this little thing called CONTEXT FOR YOUR ACTIONS
And if the gameplay wasn't rancid garbage you would have that provided to you naturally.

>Those aren't the only games in the world you cretin.
But they are the only ones that mattered.

>I want the game to feel balanced sometimes, not like I choose the wrong difficulty
There's your problem. Games aren't there to coddle you or make you feel safe. they're supposed to challenge you.

>>377352158
game of the generation. the messiah of the RPG genre

>>377352092
>turn base style combat in a zelda game
I didnt ask for this

>>377351392
I absolutely refuse to believe BotW had almost 2 hours of cutscenes. All of the memories are optional -- it's just Zelda whining.

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>>377352178

>When it makes the game feel like a movie, I'd hardly consider it that.
>dynamic physics engine and a highly interactive environment that creates multiplicative gameplay makes the game "feel like a movie"

>>377352550

>dynamic physics engine and a highly interactive environment that creates multiplicative gameplay makes the game "feel like a movie"
Then why does the game run at 30 FPS? It's doing more harm than good ruining the performance. Either make it run at 60, or prune the game until it does.

>>377352178
>I see no issue with this statement. It's time we kicked casual games out of the industry
A game like Dwarf fortress is casual according to you.
>"Let's just pretend that I don't own a WiiU and/or have CEMU even if I didn't own it."
proof faggot
>And if the gameplay wasn't rancid garbage you would have that provided to you naturally.
The gameplay is fucking great>>377352092
>>377351901 and are you saying the game should have no story at all? In BOTW all you have to do is listen to a short-ish cutscene at the beginning at then go straight to ganon to end the game and skip all the memories
>There's your problem. Games aren't there to coddle you or make you feel safe. they're supposed to challenge you.
A game can be hard and have no difficulty options. Just look at, i don't know, every soulsborne game

>>377349453
>played the game
No you didn't.

>>377352713
>"let's take out these amazing features that revolutionized open world games so it can hit some benchmark to please the pc autists"
Might as well never add new features to games and have the only genre of games be platinum-style action games where you go from room to room and do SICK PARRIES YO

>>377346703
You forgot Mankind Divided.

>>377352713
>Let's remove gameplay so it's LESS cinematic
lolwut

>>377352935

>A game like Dwarf fortress is casual according to you.
How so?

>proof faggot
I could link you to the CEMU right now? I've taken pics of my WiiU enough to know that you won't be satisfied even with a timestamp.

>The gameplay is fucking great
Not with that disgusting, bloated metacritic score. Game journos are shills and slime, anything they like is trash.

>you can skip everything
Not that tutorial area.

>A game can be hard and have no difficulty options.
I love how you use "roll+dodgeBorne" as a good example.

>>377353220

>"let's take out these amazing features that revolutionized open world games so it can hit some benchmark to please the pc autists"
How is it innovating anything when it has trouble reaching a basic, stable 60 FPS? It's like claiming that Bloodborne revolutionized anything when it chugs horribly.

>Might as well never add new features to games and have the only genre of games be platinum-style action games where you go from room to room and do SICK PARRIES YO
At least you'd be playing a game, not a movie.

>>377353342

There's no gameplay below 60 FPS. There's no reason for anything to run at 30 except when you're blatantly sacrificing performance.

>>377346703

lol nope

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>>377353354
>How so
Dwarf fortress isn't an action game that requires 60 fps, which you called casual garbage
>I could link you to the CEMU right now? I've taken pics of my WiiU enough to know that you won't be satisfied even with a timestamp.
Who says? time stamp is total proof. Oh wait, you don't have one.
>Not with that disgusting, bloated metacritic score. Game journos are shills and slime, anything they like is trash.
"The gameplay isn't good. Why? uhhh because f-FUCK METACRITIC"
>Not that tutorial area.
The tutorial area is all gameplay that you can approach anyway you want. We were talking about story shit/cutscenes but it seems you forgot gramps
>I love how you use "roll+dodgeBorne" as a good example.
You can simplify any game like this. Like your "dash+slashHollowKnight". "B-but's that's wrong" Exactly. Faggot.

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Don't forget Kat's game!

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>>377346703
>bloodborne
yup
>yakuza
pic related
>witcher
normie
>botw
pic related

this console generation is really dry and lacking good games, I've spent the majority of it getting disappointed by new releases

>>377353765
WHITO PIGGU GO HOME

>>377353481
>How is it innovating anything when it has trouble reaching a basic, stable 60 FPS?
It's not like games go to a blue screen every time they are below 60hz. According to you a game could read your mind and let you interact with the game world in a billion ways but it would be shit if it was 30 fps. The current hardware will always have limitations and some games benefit more from cutting edge features than "muh 60 fps".

>At least you'd be playing a game, not a movie.
There's literally like 15 minutes of story in BOTW that isn't optional besides the ending, which is also pretty short. I thought we already discarded this shitty argument

>>377353834

>Dwarf fortress isn't an action game that requires 60 fps, which you called casual garbage
But not only does it run at 60 FPS, but it requires it for managing your dwarfs.

>Who says? time stamp is total proof. Oh wait, you don't have one.
I could link you to every time you said that in the Splatoon threads. Don't lie to me anon.

>"The gameplay isn't good. Why? uhhh because f-FUCK METACRITIC"
That's what you said though. Even though other games like the Witcher and Bloodborne get high scores, your response is "they were paid off, normies are bad." You can't turn around and pretend that's not true anymore.

>The tutorial area is all gameplay that you can approach anyway you want
Can I skip it entirely?

>We were talking about story shit/cutscenes
Optional or not, they still exist within the game and I have to pay for them. Offer me a version where you rip out the story and charge me less, and then I'll give it some slack.

>Like your "dash+slashHollowKnight".
Hollow Knight has difficulties, runs at 60 FPS, and isn't a 60 dollar overhyped AAA cinematic experience. Any failings it might have are excused because I'm not being charged an arm and a leg by a greedy corporation.

>>377346703
>trinity
>4 games

>>377354036
Yakuza 0 is the best game on the PS4 which is ironic considering it's a port of a PS3 game. Bloodborne is a close second though.

No yes no no

>>377354185

>According to you a game could read your mind and let you interact with the game world in a billion ways but it would be shit if it was 30 fps
Why can't it run at 30 FPS though? What is it hogging to make the game run so horribly? It's a compromise nobody should have to make.

>There's literally like 15 minutes of story in BOTW
Then why is it there in the first place? If your game was good, it shouldn't exist period.

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Like seriously need some shit to play

>>377354264
>But not only does it run at 60 FPS, but it requires it for managing your dwarfs.
Fine, just look at any complicated strategy game. None of that shit needs 30 fps because it's about deliberation
>I could link you to every time you said that in the Splatoon threads. Don't lie to me anon.
I don't fucking like Spaltoon and I never go to their threads. Fuck gyro controls
>That's what you said though. Even though other games like the Witcher and Bloodborne get high scores, your response is "they were paid off, normies are bad." You can't turn around and pretend that's not true anymore
Why the fuck do you keep ASSUMING things? I've beaten and liked all three of those games! So this point is dead
>Can I skip it entirely?
Might as well not fucking play the game. Do you want to do any content? If you actually played the damn thing you would see why the tutorial is so praised. Yes, not all content is optional in BOTW. Most games have barely any optional content. If you like skipping shit so damn much then BOTW is probably one of the only games that could satisfy you, but you're just finding ways to bitch
>Optional or not, they still exist within the game and I have to pay for them. Offer me a version where you rip out the story and charge me less, and then I'll give it some slack.
"Nintendo should accommodate ME and my autistic needs even though ever other player wants the OPTIONAL story content".
>Hollow Knight has difficulties, runs at 60 FPS, and isn't a 60 dollar overhyped AAA cinematic experience. Any failings it might have are excused because I'm not being charged an arm and a leg by a greedy corporation
Stop changing the subject

>>377346703
If you include Bloodborne you honestly shouldn't include anything else. Bloodborne is probably the best game ever made by such a large margin that even solid titles like BotW looks like shit compared to it.

>>377346703
Yakuza should be removed because I've never played it.

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>>377354987

>>377346703
>include game made outside of japan
So there are still people in here who aren't complete weebs. Good to know.

>arguing with ACfag in 2017
Only Barneyfag surpasses his autism

>>377354517
>Why can't it run at 30 FPS though? What is it hogging to make the game run so horribly? It's a compromise nobody should have to make.
30 fps is not "running horribly" and they have to make that compromise to include the amazing features that wouldn't be there. Even If you say 30 fps is so horrible, it doesn't even matter, because I put 150 hours into BOTW and had an excellent time. That's just you being a priss about it because you want to validate your pc purchases by shitposting online about how games can ONLY be played in 60 fps
>Then why is it there in the first place? If your game was good, it shouldn't exist period
So you're saying story automatically makes a game bad? Well I guess 99.9999% of games are trash unless the only story is "ready player one"
Go make another cringey chart nerd. Some people are just shitposters but you're actually serious about this shit, as evidenced by the effort you put into "ranking" the year's games even though no one gives a shit

>>377354943

>Fine, just look at any complicated strategy game
every one I played required 60 FPS because every tiny click you made could make or break a game.

>Why the fuck do you keep ASSUMING things? I've beaten and liked all three of those games!
Okay sure anon. Even though the thread is filled with "Witcher is only liked by Pcbros" posting.

>Might as well not fucking play the game.
A tutorial shouldn't be mandatory.

>If you actually played the damn thing you would see why the tutorial is so praised
Praised by casuals. Therefore not good.

>"Nintendo should accommodate ME
Uhh... yes? I'm the payign customer. Treat me like a king, or I'll just consider pirating your game. Why do I have to bend over for their corporate interests?

>Stop changing the subject
I see no subject changery here.

>>377355134
>two casual open world games
>Life is Strange over SMM and Rocket League
>Overwatch won 2016
I'm sure casuals enjoy Witcher 3 a lot. No enemy is too tough when you don't even have to try to break that game.

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>>377355541
open up your ass and your heart and mind will follow

>>377346703
Zelda BoTW is technically 9th gen however.

>>377355786
I'm glad we came to an agreement.

>>377355458
>A tutorial shouldn't be mandatory.
(You)
>Uhh... yes? I'm the payign customer. Treat me like a king, or I'll just consider pirating your game. Why do I have to bend over for their corporate interests?
Are you retarded? they don't know you, why should they make the perfect game to satisfy YOUR personal autism?

>>377346703
Yakuza is fucking garbage. Like holy shit, did Sega get legit shills on this trash?
Looks like a PS2 game in 2017 that tries too hard to ripoff better games.

>>377355415

>30 fps is not "running horribly"
Said only by people who have lower standards. For 360 bucks, plus online fees, plus season passes, plus amiibo exclusive content, I will not tolerate low standards. You understand, right? "hurrr get a job stop being poor". Those will be your retorts, right? Even though, as a working man, I value my money more than if I just got it handed to me.

>because I put 150 hours into BOTW and had an excellent time.
Hey, good for you. People put in hundreds of hours into League of Legends and DOTA 2. Doesn't make them good.

>So you're saying story automatically makes a game bad?
If you're not putting in the maximum effort to put in a minimal story, then yes. Nobody wants hours of cutscenes, or the threat of running into them in an open world.

>>377355458
>every one I played required 60 FPS because every tiny click you made could make or break a game.
I'm not only talking about starcraft you fucking idiot. Not every strategy is real time. Games don't need to require fast paced movements to be challenging.
>Okay sure anon. Even though the thread is filled with "Witcher is only liked by Pcbros" posting.
Is it that hard to believe that a BOTW fan would like TW3 or have more than one system? Here's a PS4 screenshot i took. Try reverse searching that. I also just defended bloodborne so you're basically a faggot
>A tutorial shouldn't be mandatory.
It barely even qualifies as a tutorial. it;s a mini open world that teaches you the game;s systems naturally. Everyone loved this section. Might as well skip the first level in a normal game
>Praised by casuals. Therefore not good.
GUD 1 M8
>hh... yes? I'm the payign customer. Treat me like a king, or I'll just consider pirating your game. Why do I have to bend over for their corporate interests?
A game isn't a fucking custom t-shirt. You can't just ask devs to take out central features and charge less for it. Have you EVER heard of a sungle player only game having a "no story version"? No, because that;s a fucking retarded
>I see no subject changery here.
You went on a rant about "causalized AAA games" away from teh subject of you oversimplifying the mechanics of Bloodborne

>>377355985

>they don't know you, why should they make the perfect game to satisfy YOUR personal autism?
because I'm the paying customer. That's all there is to it. PC devs do it all the time. They'll gladly help out even singular people who they've never met before.

>>377356005
fuck off back to >>>/vr/
shenmue is garbage

>>377356226
>Nobody wants hours of cutscenes, or the threat of running into them in an open world.
FUCK YOU. Play the game. The memories have to be toggled to be activated! You can;t "run into them"

>>377356417
>>377356005
Yakuza isn't very similar to Shenmue and Shenmue isn't shit. Both of you eat a rake.

>>377356416
"Hey Nintendo! Can you make the new mario have a mode where you can play as Godzilla and blow up Tokyo! It'll be a massive hassle for your overworked dev team but you'll gain a customer!"

>>377347976
So we're you, probably

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>>377356352

Yakuza is such a meme.

>>377356670
> griffin armor

muh nigga, dye it grey and get aerondight and a decent steel sword and you're set

>>377346703
That says more about the other games than about those.

>>377355176

CDPR is really an outlier when it comes to western devs. It's not Japan's fault the Western AAA scene can't come up with something original or good for the longest time. The indie scene is still pretty decent outside of walking simulators and early access trash though.

>>377356416
Nintendo isn't a small studio that need to cater to speciffic individuals to survive you dolt. They do the things they do to maximize profit in every way they can. Just compare MarioKart and fucking Metroid

>>377349865
abuse the fuck out of dual wands

>>377354370
I've been struggling to find any noteworthy games on ps4 besides bloodborne, it seems like every game I tryout I just end up replaying bloodborne afterwards
and I don't have high hopes for the surge when I get some money friday but I'll give it a shot anyway

>>377356771
I did eventually dye it

>>377356697
>meme
what do you mean

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>>377356352

>Games don't need to require fast paced movements to be challenging.
Then clearly Starcraft must've been your only RTS growing up. I'd like to see you try saying that when it comes to games like Command and Conquer.

>Is it that hard to believe that a BOTW fan would like TW3 or have more than one system?
Considering the shitposting that;'s occurred over the past 5 months, and how every criticism of BOTW was replied with "lol salty sonybro" then I don't believe you. Even if you provide timestamped proof. The console warring has made me discard such attempts.

>It barely even qualifies as a tutorial.
Is it an area without challenge and basically nothing more than a blank canvas? Then it's a tutorial. Again, I don't care what the masses like.

>You can't just ask devs to take out central features and charge less for it.
Oh, but I can. Many PCs devs have gladly done this as it's a show of good faith and good PR.

>You went on a rant about "causalized AAA games"
all over a criticism of Bloodborne? Oh trust me, the game has a ton more issues, but it's the casualized combat that made me hate it.

>>377356429

>The memories have to be toggled to be activated!
That still counts as running into them. I don't want them to exist period. Not in a 60 dollar AAA purchase.

>>377356584

Anon, I point you to pic related to explain why bending over for corporate interests will never be tolerated in my mindset. If nintendo's team of several billion devs with billions of dollars can't do something so simple, they don't deserve to exist.

>>377348520
Yeah and CoD sold more than all of them. What's your point?

>>377356842

>They do the things they do to maximize profit in every way they can.
So in other words they're a soulless greedy corporation which I should not give even a single bit of slack towards because they have money and power and so should be subject to the harshest of consumer criticisms? Sounds like a plan anon. I like it.

>>377346703
minus W3

>>377356829
> the Western AAA scene can't come up with something original or good for the longest time

enough with this meme. you almost make it sound as if japan produces something that isn't trash for weebs. and as much as i hate the bullshit some western devs have been doing in the last years it's still not enough to push me to the other side of the spectrum and make me an /a/utist. this board seriously needs to work on it's extreme sensitivity to issues it can ignore if it chooses to

forgot nier and p5

>>377357112
>weebshit
no thanks

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>>377346703
>Witcher 3
>Good
What do CD Projekt drones mean by this?

>>377348535
>Nioh has better gameplay than all the souls games, objectively.

Gameplay includes things like level design and enemy placement, which Nioh is abysmal at.

Go shill your LotF: Nip Edition somewhere else, you dumb sack of shit.

>>377357005
I dont see the point of comparing radically different games.
>heres a universally acclaim multiplat that sold 10mil+ copies vs some niche exclusive console advertisement.

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I own every platform, I do not have to pick and choose what I get to play and I can afford it all. I have no outright preference for any platform over another.

Games of the Generation so far:

>Super Mario 3D World
>Bayonetta 2
>Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze
>Splatoon
>Mario Maker
>Sm4sh
>Bloodborne
>Breath of the Wild
>Neir Automata
>Nioh
>Risk of Rain
>Path of Exile

Everything else is middling or shit. Witcher 3 doesn't belong on any list, as it's not as good as Witcher 1 or 2 and is in the same category as Bioware games.

>>377357010
>So in other words they're a soulless greedy corporation which I should not give even a single bit of slack towards because they have money and power and so should be subject to the harshest of consumer criticisms?
Yes, you're right, just like every big company ever. But you're missing out on some dope ass games. Pirating is an option too, you know?

>>377357308
Bloodborne is the only good game on that list.

>>377357240
208 hours under my belt this shit never happened to me once

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>>377346703
DS3 obviously
> far superior than BB

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>>377347289
it's for people who like yakuza movies and pretty well-made minigames. if you don't like either of those you probably won't enjoy it.

>>377347771
nioh isn't missing

>>377348156
i thought the consensus was that that one kind of sucked? will play it anyway because i love kitano, but that's what i heard.

>>377348530
t. pc only gamer

>>377348535
>it has a STORY
nioh's story is dogshit. none of the weapons in that game have any real sense of weight. team ninja is garbage.

>>377348946
autism

>>377350117
it's on there you sperg

>>377348749
why are you so autistically against voice acting and cutscenes

>>377357308
>Enemies require Witch Time to beat
>Enemies can break out of combos and juggle state
>Wicked Weaves were heavily nerfed
>Umbran Climax fucks up the balance of the game and is required to get Pure Plats
>Torture attacks are useless because of Umbran Climax
Bayonetta 2 was garbage, why do people keep pretending its good?

>>377357164
Zelda yakuza and bb are weebshit

>>377357339

>But you're missing out on some dope ass games.
You mean Gone Home and Depression Quest? given universal praise because of "certain events"? Yes, I'm totally missing out.

>>377357480

>why are you so autistically against voice acting and cutscenes
gee, I don't know. Why am I against elements that take time and money away from gameplay, in a gameplay heavy medium? HMMMMM

>>377356931
>Then clearly Starcraft must've been your only RTS growing up. I'd like to see you try saying that when it comes to games like Command and Conquer.
There are things called "turn based strategy games" you know and other sims
>>377356931
>Considering the shitposting that;'s occurred over the past 5 months, and how every criticism of BOTW was replied with "lol salty sonybro" then I don't believe you. Even if you provide timestamped proof. The console warring has made me discard such attempts.
People buy nitnedo consoles as secondary systems. I have both my switch and ps4 but if you won't believe a timestamp then I guess fuck you
>Is it an area without challenge and basically nothing more than a blank canvas? Then it's a tutorial. Again, I don't care what the masses like.
People often get their asses kicked in it first time through! You don't even fully know what it actually is! Get off your high horse too faggot
>Oh, but I can. Many PCs devs have gladly done this as it's a show of good faith and good PR.
If you're talking about pic related then a small indie dev adding a color blind mode or something for accessibility is not the same as NINTENDO removing the STORY from the new ZELDA game because you, and you alone aren't even okay with it being OPTIONAL you unbelievably autistic weirdo
>ll over a criticism of Bloodborne? Oh trust me, the game has a ton more issues, but it's the casualized combat that made me hate it.
You have fucking shit taste

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>>377347289
>Yakuza is an incredibly lame and cheesy series with mediocre gameplay.

Fight me in real life

>>377356931
>That still counts as running into them. I don't want them to exist period. Not in a 60 dollar AAA purchase.
What the fuck is wrong with you? They are literally small glowing lights that only appear a few feet away from your character. Would you go full spazlord and have a breakdown is you saw that? And stories in AA single player games are unacceptable? It's unacceptable NOT to have that these days. And Zelda has had cutscenes for 30+ years too.
>Anon, I point you to pic related to explain why bending over for corporate interests will never be tolerated in my mindset. If nintendo's team of several billion devs with billions of dollars can't do something so simple, they don't deserve to exist.
It's unnecessary to do something so "simple" because only you want it. Nintendo could easily add the option for link to take a shit whenever he wants to too

>>377357518
Did I say best Cuhrayzee game? No, I said best games period. It's a great game, a solid game. It deserves being on the list.

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>>377357480
>nioh's story is dogshit. none of the weapons in that game have any real sense of weight. team ninja is garbage.
>openly being this much of a plebeian

>>377357094
I'm not implying that everything Japan makes is good, stop being so insecure. Apart from DOOM or Witcher 3 and HZD, name another AAA title from recent memory that's actually good or atleast surprisingly enjoyable.

The indie scene however makes surprisingly good and enjoyable games despite some nitpicking and flaws.

>>377346703
Take out the left and right games and you are correct

>>377357712
I guess you can just hyperbole everything into infinity too. Good bye anon, wasn't fun talking to you.

>>377357717

>There are things called "turn based strategy games" you know and other sims
Yes, the casual games that sacrifice good gameplay for "feeling comfy" or "waifus" or "anything else that Fire Emblem and Senran Kagura represent".

>People buy nitnedo consoles as secondary systems
So why respond with such hostility when people say things like "no thanks, I don't want a Switch right now, I already have a PC"? You act like any criticism against the Switch is akin to a personal attack.

>People often get their asses kicked in it first time through!
Nintendo must've hired Valve playtesters then.

>If you're talking about pic related then a small indie dev adding a color blind mode or something for accessibility is not the same as NINTENDO removing the STORY from the new ZELDA game because you
Why isn't it the same? Nintendo has more money, more prestige, more developers. If anything it would be a snap to accommodate such a small request.

>>377357957
> name another AAA title from recent memory that's actually good or atleast surprisingly enjoyable.


i can't because excluding W3 vidya has been dead for years now. i'm still not willing to go low enough to play weebshit. i refuse out of principle to pay for games where the developers couldn't even come up with a name to it that isn't totally fucking stupid. the japanese can't even come up with a name that isn't terrible to 90% of their games because they are so fucking autistic

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What the fuck is wrong with you people? I never feel the need to aggresively shitpost about how someone is a faggot for liking a popular game? I've defended big games Zelda, Witcher, and Bloodborne and indie stuff like Undertale and Hollow Knight here. But I've never felt the need the need to attack a game that a lot of people like. I don't own a pc but I never go out of my way to shit on Stalker or some shit. Jesus christ, go outside or something. This is truly the worst board

inb4 >(GAME TITLE I MENTIONED)

>>377357289
Initially it seemed like you were saying because it sold more, Witcher 3 was better. Now I'm not sure what you're trying to say. But the fact is that OP wasn't making a comparison or pitting them against each other. Just saying that they were the best games this gen.

Try not to fall into the /v/ trap of automatically pitting games against each other.

>>377357779

>They are literally small glowing lights that only appear a few feet away from your character. Would you go full spazlord and have a breakdown is you saw that?
But why do they exist? I thought the gameplay was good, according to you? If these memories are somehow absolutely vital to the experience, to the point where removing them ruins the game, then the game must not be good.

>It's unacceptable NOT to have that these days.
Only because the corporate media has brainwashed the populous.

>And Zelda has had cutscenes for 30+ years too.
Yes, and back in OOT I hated the cutscenes too. your point?

>It's unnecessary to do something so "simple" because only you want it.
And that's a greedy corporate mindset, to completely spit on the individual because you have more money. I bet you defended paid mods too.

>>377357735
u and ur families funeral

>>377357797
>It's a great game, a solid game.
No it's not.
>It deserves being on the list.
No it doesn't.

Game was garbage, literally Dark Souls II of Bayonetta.

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>>377358259
Welcome to /v/. Please enjoy your stay.

>>377358341
>But why do they exist?
because people like them?
>Only because the corporate media has brainwashed the populous.
>tips_fedora.bmp

>>377358091
>Yes, the casual games that sacrifice good gameplay for "feeling comfy" or "waifus" or "anything else that Fire Emblem and Senran Kagura represent".
Of fuck off, way to generalize an entire genre
>So why respond with such hostility when people say things like "no thanks, I don't want a Switch right now, I already have a PC"? You act like any criticism against the Switch is akin to a personal attack
We have not talked about the Switch as a system ONCE. What world do you live in?
>Nintendo must've hired Valve playtesters then.
You've been bitching about easy casual games the whole time. What do you want?
>Why isn't it the same? Nintendo has more money, more prestige, more developers. If anything it would be a snap to accommodate such a small request.
Then they would have to accommodate EVERY stupid request like that only the requester wants which would cost a lot of money and time. I feel like I'm talking to a child
>But why do they exist? I thought the gameplay was good, according to you? If these memories are somehow absolutely vital to the experience, to the point where removing them ruins the game, then the game must not be good.
Would the game be ruined without them? No. Do people like them? Yes! Finding them also tests your knowledge of the world's geography. It's just a good feature but if you don;t like them they are OPTIONAL
>Only because the corporate media has brainwashed the populous.
So corporate media brainwashed people into liking stories in video games? Honestly I think you are actually touched in the head, listen to yourself
>Yes, and back in OOT I hated the cutscenes too. your point?
And this time, besides the short beginning cutscene that TELLS YOU WHAT THE OBJECTIVE IS, in botw they are OPTIOOONALL
>And that's a greedy corporate mindset, to completely spit on the individual because you have more money. I bet you defended paid mods too.
Explained the idiocy of big game companies fulfilling every stupid request earlier

>>377358091
what if somebody asks a big company to include some optional story in a gameplay-heavy game? should the company listen to them or not? I mean, if they do, the game will become casual and should never have existed. If they don't, the company are money-hungry tyrants who love fucking over the little man...

>>377358895

>Of fuck off, way to generalize an entire genre
Trust me, I'm trying to find good examples, but any series that actually did good in the gameplay department died off because not enough tits or not enough waifus or not enough online multiplayer achievements and other casual bait.

>We have not talked about the Switch as a system ONCE. What world do you live in?
The past several months would argue otherwise. Even if you personally have not engaged in conversation, surely you've seen the severe hate towards any naysayers of Nintendo's products.

>You've been bitching about easy casual games the whole time. What do you want?
I want a game that's difficult, so much so that it makes game journos rip their hair out in frustration. I want the casual masses to cry out in anger as they die to the first boss. That 97 metacritic score for Zelda tells me that it did not do its job and not enough people felt frustration.

>Then they would have to accommodate EVERY stupid request like that only the requester wants which would cost a lot of money and time.
And considering that Nintendo has several hundred trillion dollars, not counting franchises that make them a clean billion easy every single time an installment comes out? What's the problem?

>Would the game be ruined without them? No.
So again, what would be the problem with just removing them? People like alot of things, that doesn't make them good.

>So corporate media brainwashed people into liking stories in video games?
okay, so i guess you weren't here during gamergate, or the Gone Home scandal, or way back when Driv3r was released. Every single time, people were browbeaten into accepting bad games all because they were "story heavy".

>in botw they are OPTIOOONALL
And I'm telling you that this is no longer good enough.

(continued)

>>377358895

>Explained the idiocy of big game companies fulfilling every stupid request earlier
There is no stupidity there. It's a company's job to do that, or lose a sale. Sure, I can choose to not buy it, and they can choose to ignore me, but it's my constitutional right to call their game garbage if they do that.

>>377359216

>what if somebody asks a big company to include some optional story in a gameplay-heavy game?
Then do what Valve does and publish comics that expand the lore. It's not in the video game, but the customer is being pleased by getting more story.

>>377359453
>I want a game that's difficult, so much so that it makes game journos rip their hair out in frustration
OW THE EDGE

>>377359453
>>377359572
Ok, basically you're a fucking weirdo and I'm sure Nintendo isn;t crying that they lost your sale. game however you want, but try not to be an autist here about it. One more thing

>The past several months would argue otherwise. Even if you personally have not engaged in conversation, surely you've seen the severe hate towards any naysayers of Nintendo's products.
WHO CARES? This is out conversation

>>377359453
>And I'm telling you that this is no longer good enough.
What is good enough?

>>377346703
You forgot to remove Bloodborne
Talk about overrated

>>377359817

We need to emphasize more minimalist games that don't let cutscenes do the talking, and don't rely on crappy "memories" to put the story forward. We also need gameplay that isn't horrifically gimped at 30 FPS.

>>377359453
>So again, what would be the problem with just removing them? People like alot of things, that doesn't make them good.
the majority of content in any given game is "reduntant" (like story) and could then be stripped down - everything from music, graphics, UIs, leaving only the barebones code behind. you would be left with nothing but single pixels to represent each game object - if not just coordinates in a table, because why bother writing a renderer. then, going even further - why bother creating video games at all? they are a toy, and toys do not serve a productive function. if you want to live a non-casual life, get rid of all your comforts and safety nets, and go live in the fucking tundra with nothing but a skin of an animal you slain yourself on your back.

seriously, this is how you sound like with all the crazy hyperbole.

>>377360457
So pretty much we need more games like God Hand?

>>377360532

That sounds an aweful lot like Dwarf Fortress, one of the best games ever made, with nothing but simplistic ASCII graphics telling you the story.

>>377360642

In a way, yes.

>>377346703
OP is too pussy to not include Zelda because he knows nintendogaf will lynch him

>>377346703
>BotW
>better than NieR
>better than Prey

>>377360642
God Hand has cutscenes

>>377361029
They almost never last more than a minute and they're all funny.
God Hand is 99% nonstop punching guys in the face, if that's a cinematic experience then I genuinely don't know what isn't.

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>>377346703
>/v/ shitting on Witcher 3, and Bloodborne

>>377361029

That's why I said "in a way, yes". We need to work on those flaws.

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>>377361162
>Unironically defending Witcher 3

>>377361404
let's face it, the only people impressed by witcher are mustards because they have nothing else to play.

>>377360783
oh, I love DF, but it has lots of redundant shit - music, an intro, legends, your dorfs thoughts and whatever Toady added in the last few updates that I haven't seen. some of that is optional as well, and can be switched off in the inits, but that guy up there was arguing that optional redundancy is wrong anyway.

also, why have dorfs in it? why have them eat mushrooms, drink beer and forge axes? that's redundancy right there, the time it took to think up a setting and fluff could have been spent making gameplay tighter.

I don't really like too much story in my games either, especially as most of vidya stories are extremely boring and take too much time just to set a precedent for some go-kill-loot questing, but holy shit that guy went all autist at some optional cutscenes.

>>377361404
implying this webm doesnt have cheats enabled for inf stamina to do this

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>>377350369
>BB worst in their series

>>377361631

DF's faults can be forgiven because of 2 large things: he put it out for free, and he puts out DLC for free. If it has redundant garbage, I can forgive it. I can also mod it out for my own enjoyment.

When Zelda becomes a free game with free DLC, then I'll gladly overlook its flaws. But it's a corporate product, so it doesn't get that.

>>377346703
Bloodborne's shit, though.

MGSV over W3, and I don't know why yakuza is on there at all

>>377361980
You are definitely autistic

>>377362267
yea yakuza is garbage
tried it for like 10 min and it was terrible

>>377361980
>But it's a corporate product, so it doesn't get that.
This guy gets it.

>>377361980
how do you bear to play it though? It's not fast-paced and has active pause - not only that, it pauses itself for most of the commands you give. 60fps (or well, 100) does absolutely nothing for it other than let the non-essential parts of the game (when you wait for a task to complete or watch your commands being carried out) skip faster than 30 would. it is even difficult to notice the difference between 30 and 60fps in it due to ascii, if you ignore the fact that the game's clock is tied to render speed.

surely you would never play such a casual game?

>>377362694
Surely you would suck my dick???

>>377363057
that's friggin ebin bro! :P

>>377362463
"tried it for like 10 min"
lol

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>>377346703
Remove Yakuza and Bloodborne, add Doom 2016

>>377362694

>how do you bear to play it
Because like Minecraft, it's highly moddable. I can pick and choose what I want to keep and what I want to take out. It's like Minecraft if MC wasn't absolute twaddle.

>>377348749
>there's voice acting
How is this an inherently bad thing?

>>377363858
>>>/reddit/ is this way, dudebro.

Isn't he Switch technically 9th gen?

>>377363858
It's alright but it's no GOTG contender.

Take The Witcher 3 off there and maybe

>>377361486
>he hasn't seen all the normies ejaculating over the announcement of The Witcher Netflix series

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>>377366109
>The Witcher Netflix series

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>>377359681
I love how the most innocuous statements are now considered edgy on a website known for raiding online children's games with afro swastikas

Saying a game should be extremely difficult or even implying that game journos are generally bad at video games is now edgy

>>377357005
I actually think that modern /v/ would like Call of Duty. It's not a "cinematic experience."

>>377359810
>I'm sure Nintendo isn;t crying that they lost your sale

where were you when we needed you in all those piracy threads?

>>377362405
He's not wrong

>>377367287
Modern /v/ does like Call of Duty and the campaigns are definitely cinematic experiences with all those cutscenes

official witcher 3 review.

all non-quest related things you can find on the world are copy paste boring shit
no one will talk to you unless they are quest related and you have the quest that requires them
awful ui made for consoles and only 2 consumable slots, making alch spec a chore
no resource management, you just instantly get all your potions back for whats essentiallly free
enemys have 1, maybe 2, attack that they repeat over and over, making fights absolutely boring after an hour
level system only works to the games detriment, as youll quickly outlevel everything you have to do and it will all be easier than the game already is
coming across a SKULL WARNING SIGN monster should be exciting but it's not, because you know it fights exactly the same as all the others of its kind, only with more hp.
"cinematic" controls that ignore accuracy in favor of looking more natural
even death march is easy as fuck due to a lack of enemy attack variety and every ability you can spec into being way too strong
ciri sections are boring and unneeded and only serve to rob you of what could have been the one interesting boss fight in the game.
the final moments of the story seem rushed as fuck, from oh hi crones now we fight, to im eredin i have a secret, im dying my secret is this guy tricked us and i had no plan to deal with it, to oh actually geralt i didnt trick you
majority of loot is randomized and scales to your level. Nothing you find really excites you.
all enemies have an extremely short tether that you will cross unintentionally more often than not. At this point they ignore you and start walking back to the center of the area or hang around to get hit easily
witcher senses are only ever used when the quest requires it and is just hold right click to follow quest arrow. you cant actually track monsters or anything out in the world(and why would you need to? theyre all tethered to a small location and never move away)

6/10 game. Had potential, wasted it.

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>>377346703
Add Nier Tomato and Persona 5 and I'll agree

>>377367570
>Modern /v/ does like Call of Duty

Christ. I thought the stigma and popularity would at least turn /v/ off. Though CoD is a classic PVP chad game for people who don't care about story.

>>377367690
imagine being this much of a shit taste bandwagoning faggot

>>377365964
This generation has been pretty bad so far to be honest

>>377347289
I know I didn't give a flying fuck about Yakuza going in but enjoyed it enough to call you a retard

I don't even own Nier: Automata and I know it belongs on that list