Vermintide

Me and 3 friends bought it recently on sale. Its pretty fun so far because thankfully havent played anything similar since Left for Dead 1.

I like dwarves but he is pretty awful to play as due to his height and I don't like how slow his two handers are.

Might go Bright-Wizard instead.

>>377300342
Dwarf is better for tanking and drawing aggro with his shield. Bright Wizard and Waywatcher are the go-to DPSers. Witch Hunter can put out some good DPS as well with his pistols. Soldier and Dwarf are better for tanking. But at the end of the day if you have a good team you can play whoever you want. The 2H hammer is great against Stormvermin so it's not like it isn't viable

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Quick! Claim your Mapfu!!

>>377300501

Thanks for the info. There wasnt any indication that he had better defense as a character so I thought him and the Empire Soldier literally just looked different to the others and could use shields.
I had noticed how much he tears up the Stormvermin actually, pulled my weight better against those than the rest of my buddies.
I'll play around more no doubt.

I always thought he says "Holy shit man, bless this ravaged body"

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>>377300616
>mfw Wheat and Chaff and players have no idea what they're doing

>>377300616
Horn of Magnus, so easy for tome/grim grinding and yet it's so much fun

>>377300773
A good dwarf crossbow and soldier rifle should be able to oneshot most stormvermin, gasrats, gunners, etc. They're pretty useful for quick kills once you get used to sick 420noscoping.

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>>377300854
>Wheat and Chaff with randoms

>>377300773
It's not that the character inherently has more defense (everyone has the same HP) it's that the shield can block a lot more hits than any other weapon, so it's useful to draw the aggro of a horde away from your DPSes so they can do their thing. Again the Dwarf can kill things just fine, this is just a guideline for higher difficulties where teamwork is really important.

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The game used to run really bad in the past on my 680. Anyone have any recent experience with a similar card that can tell me if it runs better nowadays?

Love the game, but couldn't stand the stuttering FPS.

>>377301224
It apparently runs better since 5.0 aka console release update, but I can't testify personally. At least patches finally aren't in gigabytes anymore because they changed file organization or something.

>>377301664
my god, i remember on release, a simple bug fix was about 2 fucking GB. for a small BUG

>>377300940
A handgun with Master Crafted is better than the crossbow my man

Bardin >

>>377303398
Let's not get carried away

>>377301664

Fair enough. I guess I'll give it a spin myself and find out.

>>377300342
>not being the impenetrable bulwark between your allies and the neverending stinking flood

>>377304454
TIME FOR A ONE MAN SHIELD WALL

Does anyone know the real world location that background image is from? The building on the left is really cool.

>>377300342
>>377304454

The shields have a better feeling to them anyway. Shield bashing feels really impactful where as some of the 2-handed attacks feel like they just swing right through the enemy.

>>377304627
Bardin's axe is the most fun weapon in the game just because of that fucking impact it has. I love the feeling of the axe just stopping when it hits that rakki skull, unlike other weapons that just fly through the enemies with no weight.

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>>377304454
>hammer and shield with regrowth on light attacks
>heal to full health after 2 hits on a horde because you hit every last fucking rat

>>377304810
>Bardin's axe is the most fun weapon in the game just because of that fucking impact it has
Just wait till you get Kruber's Executioner Sword.
Gonnagetnerfed

>>377304810

Yeah his greataxe is one of the few exceptions. I'd say that the overhead attack of Markus' greathammer feels pretty impactful as well.

>>377300342
>Dwarves
Its dwarfs you umgi scum.

I've got over 300 hours in this game and it's something I play everyday. I honestly Fucking love it

>>377299727
Is this game good? Should I buy it?

>>377305051
Favourite weapons/traits?

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>>377305174
It's hard to say because I switch a lot. My main is Markus though for his glorious one hand red mace with bloodlust and attack speed buff

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Git burnt out at round 600~ hours. Dunno if ill ever be able to come back for the new dlc....game just feels bleh now....

>>377305164
Yes, the skill cap is high if you wanna go for the best loot

>>377305051
This. Was skeptical when I bought it on console. 30 bucks seemed steep for a L4D clone. Best 30 bucks I'd spent in a long time. It's so much fun. I just wish the Xbone scene was more active but that's just a pitfall of the console itself.

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>>377300981
>Cataclysm with randoms
I hate how many low level players join and they use up all the heals and die in 10 seconds when Cataclysm Sundays came.

>>377305513
>Mfw had a random who was level 60 who rushed out, activated every event before team was ready, wouldn't pick up healing items, then had the audacity to call me shit for not using the meta shield and sword weapon combo at the mission fail screen when they were the reason we all died in the first place

I don't even try to be elitist but holy fuck I hate how obviously retarded people keep joining games and then ruin everything, right before calling you bad and leaving

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>>377305674
>hes so bad he cant keep up with a lvl60 AND doesnt use a proper set up
anon, its ok....we all make mistakes.

>>377305750
I'm level 130, this is a game that can spawn stormvermin inside your character model and kill you instantly. If you have one bad player, it'll easily fuck up the entire game because they aren't cooperating

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>>377305818
130 would explain it then, your low as fuck. If you cant carry your team then youre not good. The only time a game can fuck you is pat spawn in a hallway and even then most decent players can deal with a storm.

>>377305674
I don't understand how you guys can run Cata with randoms, hell I have trouble on HARD with randoms, I always get shitters who have no idea what to do, don't go for tomes/grims, run away from the ogre instead of helping me kill it, it's infuriating.

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>>377306108
Play elf or saltz so you dont gotta worry bout that shit.

Who's your main, /v/?

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>>377305674
>skipping healing items
This infuriates me the most especially on nightmare

>>377306271
Saltzy

RAT SCUM
FILTH
BASTARD

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>>377306271
elf or saltz, dwarf when i can.
>>377306296
literally figuratively metaphorically if its a draut just toss it to em and if its a pack just over heal so you can solo when they wipe.

>>377306412
You can't do that if they jump down to the next area that prevents you from back tracking and you have a surplus of healing items. It's beyond frustrating when people rush

>>377306561
"wow where was my backup"

>>377306585
"Shit team"
*disconnects*

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>>377306561
I guess you can make that plebby argument now that walldash is gone but even so.....more heals for someone who knows what theyre doing was never much of a problem for me.
>>377306585
anyone that bitches, kick em. you dont have to deal with it if ya dont wanna.

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>>377306271
>Conflag staff
Bloodlust 10%, Stability, Channeling Rune
>Longsword
Bloodlust 10%, Perfect Balance, Off Balance
I just can't stop healing

>>377306585
>hosting
>be last man standing
>every shitter disconnects
>turn on private and finish map
Easiest loot in my life

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>>377306703
>conflag
why do you hate your fellow man witchwhore?
>>377306865
>not kicking entire team right before victory screen for amazing steam messages.
easiest (you)'s of my life.

>>377299727
pretty cool people are still playing this game, I love Warhammer. idk what the meta is but I have 170 hours and loved playing the Empire Knight, I always rolled around w/ the single shot rifle, the INSTANT I heard a special vermin I would target only him and blow him away. Really good for more armored vermin too like stormvermin or the ratling gunner.

My main weapon for a while was the 2h hammer w/ healing on it whenever I did a heavy attack, heavy attacks cleave thru and knock back everything, and the light attack smashes overhead. I tried out the 2h sword with healing on light attacks, it heals more often but i feel like I'm left more open since it doesn't knock back

>>377306865
Why are bots so much better than 90% of players

>>377306271
Gotta be firewitch. I made the mistake of playing her first, and then all other classes felt powerless / useless at range in comparison. I can play them all, for sure, but nothing beats throwing fireballs and getting headshots across the map.

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>>377306964
If ur gunna marcus hammer is probably one of your worst options as far as whats 'good' but if your clearing maps then more power to ya my dude.
>>377307017
They can teleport to you even when theyre grabbed

>>377306962
AOE denial is just too good especially when they circle around it just for someone with a 2H to wreck them

>>377307086
yeah, I don't hang in the back, I always take the brunt of the waves. iirc I used to use mace and shield a while because it also knocked back and I think mace had some special property too? like it could go through armor, w.e the case I remember the shield had a chance to refund knockback points when you knocked back, good for tanking.

I really should replay this, I miss my Witch Hunter's rapier stabbing fuckers everywhere. Fucking amazing rolls on it too.

>>377307017
Bots are hell in well watch

Can we talk about how the sound design is top Fucking notch? Everything from the stab and slash sounds, to the guns, to the voice work, it's all fantastic

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>>377307236
I mean like 27 patches ago id agree but you can get the same AOE effects with a beam staff and kill rogre solo with no problem. Meanwhile conflag is more often then not just gunna chip friendly health. Maybe if your good with callouts? but that just sounds like a headache.
>>377307341
Yeah shield would be more meta, but solo mace is just as good on him if you can dash properly.
>>377307434
>tfw you get several perfectly timed charged headstabs and drop the horde before anyone had a chance to grab a kill
God when it works it works....
>>377307538
Fuck ye my dude, they got that gudgud l4d sound design down to a fuckin T

>>377307512
Well Watch sucks anyway

>>377307573
Conflag does laughable friendly fire damage. I mainly use regular attack on ogre and it does not cause me any problems.

>>377299727
Why are shitty meme edits like these so hilarious to me? Am I stupid?

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>>377308021
I mean...if it works for ya i guess.
>>377308064
probably, but their still pretty funny.

>>377308241
What's with these pics man

>>377308064
Same, these shitpost edits kill me

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>>377308286
what kind of pics would you prefer anon? I just like posting an image with my post since we're on an image based forum...

>>377308241
What is that setup for even? How do they live there at all?
>tent floor breaks from the weight eventually

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>>377307606
>Well Watch contracts

I thought this game was supposed to be shit.

>>377300342
If you want an aggressive dorf try his one-hander hammer with killing blow.

>>377308597
Not in the slightest

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>>377308486
Theyre climbing the side of a mountain but its too large to do in one day so they use that setup to rest for a few hours/the night so they can continue when theyre all rested.
>>377308597
Its literally pretty good. Only problem is its a very small community and a team based game so....

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>>377299727
When the fuck are they going to add modding and L4D-esk PVP

>>377308798
>pvp
Nah

>>377308798
>PvP
How about no? Special rats are not balanced for PvP at all.

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>>377308798
when sneakypanda stops being a shitter

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>>377308597
Only if you have no idea how trinkets, forge, and rerolling works

>>377308597

It had a bit of a shaky release due to bugs and some performance issues. Of course that meant that /v/'s overall reaction was that the game was complete garbage.

>>377304541
A bit late, but that's Prague my man

>>377309280
You mean /v/'a reaction about every game?

>>377310326

Pretty much.

>>377308667
the one handed hammer is underrated desu.
one with normal regrowth, normal killing blow, and off balance is the most fun i have for the dwarf.

>>377299727
this is a fantastic game, It's one of the few games I have ever used voice chat with randoms for.

The melee combat feels right.

>>377299727
I'm a friendless cuck because nobody I know would want to play this game. Will I enjoy it as a pubbie?

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>>377310767
sometimes maybe

>>377310767

As with any other online game that requires a lot of team coordination; it's all a matter of luck who you happen to queue up with.

>>377310863
Skeleton of immense wealth will I find true friendship someday?

>>377310767
I play mostly pub, it's still an immensely fun game but you'll get frustrated at higher difficulties if you get bad luck and match with a team of shitters who don't know what to do.

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>>377311119
Sure kid.

>>377311017
holy sigmar, bless this ravaged body!

>>377310767

Possibly.
I played with my friend on release for like 25 hours, and then put in 110 more alone with pub.

I really should play again, I barely checked the last batch of maps and now theres new dlc again

>>377310767
What time do you play at fucker?

I'll be your extremely annoying friend.

>Ogre roars on spawn
>Huddle into a good spot
>Ogre never comes
>It has despawned off map

>Shoot ranged
>Get hit
>Press quickswitch
>Does not switch
>Try to block holding rclick because muscle memory
>Scope weapon wasting more time and taking more damage

>Ogre has a target which is not you
>Swipes at them
>Block because you are standing nearby
>Still take damage when hit

>Ogre comes at you
>Throw bomb
>Ogre can't clip through certain objects while doing his recovery animation so he simply instantly dies

>You can block while reviving yes this is bullshit as we have trinkets and traits that are especially made for this. They are all rendered useless with this bug they even patched once but people cried out massively so they changed it back

>Stand near a ledge
>Rats come and start climbing
>Every once in a while a rat teleports up and is in mid-swing as soon as you see him

>Packmasters still occasionally pull you through walls and floors

As much as I've played this game I'm really bothered by the eternal bugs they can't seemingly fix. At least they fixed backwards dodge abusing shitters from skipping cataclysm map endings.

I love this game, it's a great feeling to just be a total meat grinder and your team can't even keep up

>>377311651

>that second one

My will to play this game again, you've just crushed it...
Atleast there are some bugs they fixed, its a wonder I continued playing - when I bought the game it still had invisible rats...

Last time i played, Witch Hunter with Rapier + Brace of pistols was the big thing but i think i heard something it wasn't too good anymore? Whats good these days?

>>377311017
Holy Sigmar, ravage this body.

>>377311828
>Invisible rats
Oh god that was just pure enragement. For those who don't know: Every time you joined a game that had already started it had a random number of rats invisible to only you. They could be blocked and killed but most of the time you just took damage and didn't know why.

I really hated the ironman gutterrunners though. Literally impossible to dodge and could come from any angle in the world right at you.

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>>377312119

Yeah, made me a special kind of mad, especially as I danced in front of my teammates waiting for them to kill them and they probably didn't thinking that I'm just about it... I dropped the game until the next dlc.

I still can't dodge gutters for shit
>its about to jump
>its about to jump!!!
>it vibrates through the map and is already on me

>>377312012
Soldier repeater is a normal rat and armored rat murderer nowadays. It can't be interrupted when spun up anymore and does a ton of damage.

Bright Wizard has been nerfed to quite the balanced class finally, so now I can finally play as her when people stopped having her as mandatory map clearer. Still really good with fireballs.

>love playing sienna
>hate causing FF

how shit am I for perpetually playing on Hard instead of Nightmare+

>>377311828
They should make Quick switch take priority over all actions because that shit happens to me nonstop

>>377311302
That would be an amazing design for a skeleton boss

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>>377300854

>Me and another level 100+ get joined on nightmare mission by a bunch of low levels.

>>377312356
>stopped having her as mandatory map clearer

This is odd to me, she was clearly overpowered but I could always play as her, especially once the dwarf got the pistols. I miss the good bolt staff though.

>>377312404

Indeed.

Btw, did they change how dlc works? Or nobody bought the new one? I haven't seen anyone ever host the maps yet.

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>>377311302
Why are there holes in the armor?

>>377312327
>That webm
I once saw one where the ogre spawned during the intro animation and swiped everyone into the water on the siege machine map.

>>377312383
I know that feeling. Thankfully it's pitiful FF now and since I play Cata it's always better taking plink damage 20 times than receive one hit. I would argue bolt has the least chance to hit people all the time.

>>377312460
First the beam was overpowered and then the bolt was overpowered, both silly amounts of OP really. Just spamming minimum heat bolts that headshot up to 3 rats wasn't balanced in any kind of way. The new bolt does it's specific job best though, headshotting faraway rats and oneshotting stormvermin.

>>377312550
The first new map is so bland and boring I only played it twice. They really can't spice anything up with just maps, it's all the same tactics regardless. The second was really nice though. Not exactly unique content but stormdorf offered much to explore and the final actually has a unique boss that isn't horde spawn or ogre.

>>377312574
How else will you give CPR to a knight without bringing the can opener?

>>377312574

For milking.

>>377312383
Just go for it. I take more friendly fire from Kerillian players than anyone else.

>>377312327
>Ratling gun
That's stupid
Its stupid?

>>377299727

Oh shit, new maps.

Vermintide is a real frustrating game to me. It's really fun but it's just so easy to burn through any new content. Left4Dead and Payday 2 have lots of problems, but at least there's always a constant stream of new content pouring in.

>>377306271
Dat kruber life. Swap between 2h hammer and sword and shield, fend off the horde when everyone else decides they want to focus the ogre. Someone has to be the real man of the group

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>Post yfw the first time the Chieftain shows up

>>377312964

While I agree - its just not okay that I cannot hit a single fucking enemy in front of me with it.
I outright hate using it now, every other ranged weapon can atleast provide some self-defense at point-blank range by killing a single regular rat about to hit you by simply firing it off in their direction.
If a rat comes for me while I'm already charging, I can cancel and waste charge, then use left click to waste even more charge, or cancel and change to sword, because if I fire it off, it sure as fuck will fly the fuck away at 90°degrees to find some random shit 50 meters away from me to hit.
Its just uncomfortable now.

>>377314190
I think the point is to not rely on the secondary as they buffed the primary. Every little rapid shot stuns a rat and headshots two shot even on cata I think. Therefore it's better to back behind your mates and pick off specials and storms and then engage with primary and melee for the rest.

The lockon could be faster but it works nicely even on targets in pointblank as long as you get the red shine before firing.

>>377314723

My problem is the 4 second waste of time and charge I now have to do to defend against a single rat if I was ALREADY charging a right click with the staff

>>377314853

*I don't see how it works nicely at pointblank when basically everything will hit you before the red selection appears

>>377314853
For me it works to just look at the closeby rat and fire when the lockon changes to it. Sure, you "miss" a bolt on that other thing you were looking for but it's not necessary to abort and switch to defend yourself. The lockon is not THAT slow.

>>377308597

It had a bad launch, and still severely lacks in terms of content, but it's still a pretty fun time.

>kill your fantasy setting
>release ip and cause several new games featuring your dead fantasy setting to be created
>interest in your dead fantasy setting is reignited, but...oops, you killed it already
>complain

Games Workshop.

I have this game but i havent played it yet. is the pug community fine or is this something i need friends for?
are there any QT rats, im getting rats for my birthday and dont want it to be overly offensive if i start playing it around them. (Seriously if there is a rat character i will play it like right now)

>>377315351
pls link to complaints.

>>377315592

No playable Skaven, unfortunately.

Public games tend to be fine for me, so long as you're not on the higher difficulties. Then again, everyone is always pissy and moany when it comes to co-op games at higher difficulties, no matter the game.

Honestly, the biggest problem with public games is that the player population can feel a bit dead a few months after new maps are released. Players like me burn through it and then we're just done, waiting for the next release.

>>377315767
thats too bad,
That seems pretty normal in general when it comes to difficulty, not a huge problem
sad to hear about the amount of people. im guessing the Maps are the DLC too meaning you need to buy them if you want to play with others for the most part? either way ill end up checking it out i guess, definitely when the game updates

I wanna play salzty but cant make it work.
Anyone got tips on builds and strats for him?

Why couldn't they do SOMETHING with the red weapons other than reskin them? Getting perfect rolls is trivial now.

Just a unique combination of traits would do it but I'm up for anything.

>>377316512
>Get Rapier
>Roll 15% chance to instant kill normal sized rats
>Chance to hit 30% faster on hit or kill
>Whatever else, maybe backstabbery
>Use any ranged but the spinning repeater

Just whack and dodge, see how 1/6 of all Skaven turn into black goop on hit.

>>377316507

You don't need to have the DLC to play on those maps. You just need someone in the party (even a public party) to have that map and host it.

I've played plenty of sessions on maps that I don't even own (and honestly, don't plan on buying any time soon). Buying the DLC isn't a necessity at all unless you're generous enough to start hosting games.

>>377317005
>Use any ranged but the spinning repeater
repeater handgun can be the dedicated roger killer though.
it has no delay whatsoever if you click fast enough it's a literal gatling gun.

>>377316512

Falchion or rapier with killing blow probably best melee options. Repeater pistol with extra capacity & targeteer, volleybow with extra cap, hail of doom and skullcracker (maximum anti-ogre). Really any ranged is fine up to nightmare, on cata I think the brace is probably worst option.

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>>377316512
raper if ur good, falc/ax if ur bad. always use xbow or multi xbow
>>377316734
>Not knowing reds literally have unique traits
??
>>377317239
If ur on hard sure, have fun with the extra 400-600 health he'll have when you run out of ammo.

>>377317239

If any of saltz' weapons is for anti-ogre, it's the volleybow. Repeater is probably 2nd best at it though. I find it's more of a general purpose weapon.

>>377317484
>falc/ax if ur bad
fight me irl stormvermin fucking shit

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>>377317708
The rapier is literally a better version of both IF you can aim and time charges. There is nothing either of them can do better, only easier.

>>377317484
>>Not knowing reds literally have unique traits
>??

I guess I never noticed since all I've gotten have been trash trait selections.

>>377318149

Well, a bunch of reds have unique traits, though generally a unique combination of bad or meh. There are exceptions though, like the red pickaxe and sword&dagger (10% regrowth vs 5%).

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>>377318149
Reds are 'veteran' weps because the assumption is by the time you start getting several of them you no longer need to even have traits to get through cata. The idea being that you use reds because of the look more then the trait setup. Because yeah while krubers shotty cant normally get head shots....its not like the fucking thing needs head shots.

>>377318497
Did they fix the reload on Krubers shotty or can you still rapid fire it? Considering it's shit vs armored I never found it overpowered.

>>377317821
Youre fucking retarded. Rapier is trash on Cata compared to Falchion. Most people roll for Killing Blow normal to make up for the lackluster damage even when headshotting, but the laughable two targets per swing makes it still underperform. Meanwhile Falchion light attacks decapitate cata clan rats everywhere and thus bloodlust outperforms regrowth by a mile.
And this is not even mentioning the insane Stormvermin and Ogre damage that Falchion deals, while Rapier cucks have to rely on slashing for KB against SV and whipping out a ranged weapon for ogre.

>>377308597
It had a horrible launch, but these days its an absolute blast to play.

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>>377306271
Used to be Saltzy or Gorillian since its easiest to carry pug shitters with them.
After the recent patch Kruber is definitely my go-to. Executioner sword and the massively buffed Repeater Handgun decimate everything, you dont even have to kite.

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I haven't played it for a year, what have I missed?

>>377319074
Like 3 excellent DLCs, several new weapons and most importantly a wide variety of weapon rebalance to make all weapons useful.
Also the Quests and Contracts system which made getting new equipment pretty easy and fun.

>>377308597
SFV syndrome
Lackluster launch which means the game will forever be garbage
It's pretty fun now

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>>377318619
The reload can be broken with the right setup.
>>377318641
Have you never charge spammed a rapier for headstabs before? Im not sure how two targets is laughable either when the falc has the same target limit but is also much slower. And sure bloodlust is better on the slower weapon but regrowth on rapier doesnt have trouble outhealing that. storms fall just as quick IF you headshot, which is sort of my point. Everything you said about the falc is true for the rapier if you charge headstab ontop of the rapier being faster with more black and a better dash. The ONLY thing that it might not do as well would be rogre and even then why the fuck wouldnt you just range it anyway? ontop of the fact that anyone whose not braindead can kite rogre for days no matter what the weapon.
>>377319074
dlc shit and a few people left.

>>377319279

> Im not sure how two targets is laughable either when the falc has the same target limit but is also much slower.

Are you talking about the charged attack? Because the falchion hits 3 and damages 2 with the light attack. Also it's pretty fast if you spam the first two attacks with block-cancelling.

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>>377319584
When i say 2 targets i mean actually hurts two targets. The rapier doesnt need to worry about cc because of superior dashing and blocking. And pretty fast doesnt matter, the rapier is just faster. Im not saying the falc is bad, its not. Im saying its easier then the rapier, which if you can use it perfectly, is a better weapon.

>>377317484
>If ur on hard sure, have fun with the extra 400-600 health he'll have when you run out of ammo.
it still works fine up to nightmare, can always pop potions if you want to be sure.

>>377317659
well yea, but that one's behind a dlc map.

>>377299727
It's one of my biggest buyers remorse. Fuck this game

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>>377319279
>Have you never charge spammed a rapier for headstabs before?
Have you? It deals 5 damage with a headshot multiplier of 1.75, thus you are unable to kill clan rats regardless of what the fuck you do.
>Im not sure how two targets is laughable either when the falc has the same target limit
Falchion charged hits two, but why would you use charged against normies when light attack hits 3 and oneshots clan rats, and is about as fast as Rapier.
>regrowth on rapier doesnt have trouble outhealing that
Rapier regrowth is 5%. Bloodlust is 10% and heals more when proccing. Since falchion kills at least 1 rat every strike, it should be quite obvious to anyone that Bloodlust in this case is much superior, and rapier regrowth is unable to compete.
>storms fall just as quick IF you headshot
AHAHAHAH, go play some Cataclysm lad.

Honestly mate you seem to have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Spamming charged attacks with rapier is retarded for several reasons.
1) you miss out on the powerful Killing Blow normal trait which gives it reasonable killing power
2) light attacks are much faster at dealing DPS if you block cancel your attacks after every two strikes to only strike the two vertical attacks that are easy to headshot

Again, go play Cataclysm.

>>377319838

> And pretty fast doesnt matter, the rapier is just faster.

Maybe just like barely.

>>377319838
>superior dashing and blocking
Falchion and rapier have the same dodge stats. I'll give you the stamina, but you'll have to get perfect balance for rapier to block stormvermin without staggering, which means your trait combo is already trash. 2 stamina vs 3 is irrelevant since they get broken just the same by SV.
>rapier, which if you can use it perfectly, is a better weapon.
But it straight up isnt, and you're the only one blind enough to not realize that. Falchion, sadly, is superior in every single situation the game can throw at you, which is why you see people doing solo Cataclysm with Falchion, not with Rapier.
Fuck, its so grossly powerful people use it on the meme Deathwish mod difficulty that amps up everything.

>>377320549
>Deathwish
Tell me more senpai

>>377320549

>Falchion and rapier have the same dodge stats.

In terms of speed and distance for dodging, yes, but not for the number of "effective dodges" (consecutive dodges before dodge distance starts decreasing).

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>>377320063
Yeah it 'works fine' when everyone else helping you and your popping every pot you have and have nothing else going on. But why the fuck wouldnt you just use multibow or hell if ur popping pots standard xbow works just as well with headshots then. The repeater is the weakest of his ranged by far.
>>377320143
The lack of damage isnt a problem since the rapiers speed means you still kill the rats at the same pace. Again, it hits 3 but only hurts 2, being about as fast means its not as fast. Not counting the rapiers speed, sure the falc would on paper outheal it but since i can hit four rats in the time it takes you to hit 2 the math would tend to support the rapier out doing the falc.
What map? Ive cleared everything on cata multiple times and have almost every red anyway. Maybe we can play together?
And you dont need to tell me how to block spam, im usually on elf anyway.
>>377320149
Is it that hard to just stop responding?
>>377320549
Sure for storms, but storms arent the only thing you fight. Ive stated why its not better a few times now, but the reason kids use it on memeruns is because its easier. The rapier preforms better but when you mess up on memeruns you die, so its better to have the easier more dependable weapon.
>>377320873
dont bother, its pretty boring.

>>377320874
Jumping resets the effective dodgecount.

>>377320873
Its in the quality of life modpack (search plebbit), alongside a hilarious Stormvermin mutation.
Even if you never want to play those two difficulties, the QoL modpack still offers significant bot improvements like making them pick up tomes and grims and potions and bombs, and making them deadlier at combat.

>>377319838
I'll give you that Rapier performs extremely well on Nightmare where it is able to oneshot two clan rats per swing if aimed properly. Sadly this is not even remotely the case on Cataclysm where Falchion meanwhile keeps on oneshotting.

>>377321190

>The repeater is the weakest of his ranged by far.

What, for anti-ogre, or in general? Because that is definitely not true in either case.

>but since i can hit four rats in the time it takes you to hit 2 the math would tend to support the rapier out doing the falc.

What are you even going on about.

>Is it that hard to just stop responding?

I'm just saying there's not much of a difference in speed between the rapier and falchion w/ block-cancelling.

>>377321290

>Jumping resets the effective dodgecount.

...That doesn't negate the fact that the rapier has a higher (infinite, or near infinite) dodge efficiency than the falchion (3).

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>>377321747
Mutlibow is best for rogre
xbow is best for everything else
What the fuck do you think the repeater can do better at any point?
In the time it takes the rapier to charge poke and then standard slash I can KILL the same rats in the same time as a falc. If im JUST slashing then i can hit four rats in the time it takes the falc to hit two. Since BL only procs on kills the rapier would outheal the falc. Assuming rng worked how it should.
And im saying that the increase in speed is all the rapier needs to be better then the falc.

>>377322097
>What the fuck do you think the repeater can do better at any point?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h3GnI6sIS77oXnCzE05k7KTkOoGJ3UezeVi24miBBoM/edit#gid=152853872

either you seriously underestimating the rate of fire, or you just don't know
repeater can unload a whole clip of 8, reload, and fire another 8, before the crossbow can even fire its second shot

>>377321190
Alright, there's starting to become a habit in your posts, where in every aspect you fall back on the attack speed of rapier. Lets ignore for a second that you earlier tried to advocate for using charged attacks.
Falchion light attacks are usually used as follows: two light swings and a quick block cancel to reset the attack chain.
first attack duration is 0.55 seconds, while the second is 0.70 seconds. So 1.25 seconds to do the main combo that hits 3 rats per swing, and is guaranteed to kill at least 2 rats, and in most cases kills the third one as well.

Meanwhile rapier both first attacks are 0.40, so 0.80 seconds. Both of these attack have to hit the same target to ensure killing it, so only in dense enemy population can you reliably get two clan rats per combo. To kill a third one you have to spend another 0.80 seconds of attacking.
Importantly the block cancel of Flachion is significantly faster than with Rapier, ensuring that downtime between attacks is minimal.

From these numbers it should be clear without a shadow of a doubt that on Cataclysm, Falchion is the more reliable tool for the job. You oneshot clan rats while rapier requires both strikes to land on the same rat.
Against a single (or double if lined correctly) rat, rapier is 0.45 seconds faster. Any more rats than that though, Falchion outperforms it.

>>377322097

>What the fuck do you think the repeater can do better at any point?

Stormvermin (close-mid range) and, honestly, specials. Repeater doesn't do as much damage per shot as the crossbow, but it fires faster and is hitscan. I'd much rather have the repeater if an "oh shit" moment pops up than either crossbow. It's also pretty good at anti-ogre (not as much as the volleybow of course).

Will there be any other vermin other than the l4d ripoffs?

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>>377322249
Incredible, so it still does less to rogres then the multibow and is still way less effective and weaker range then the xbox when it comes to everything else? Again why would you use this against a rogre when you dont even have to pop str and can solo with the multibow on every dif? So assuming your argument is it can kill the rogre quicker then the xbow (sure) why the fuck are you using an xbow to kill the rogre?
>>377322553
You can kill them just as quick with the xbow if ur not bad? Idk i guess when the argument is you want a hitscan because you cant aim then its less about the weapon and more about you right? Its not like most specials cant get killed with 1 shot anyway.
>>377322354
This is all assuming of course, that my argument for the the rapier out heals the falc is the same for why its better in basic combat. A quick charge headshot followed by a standard slash would kill the same amount of rats in the same time as the falc. But its not like it really matters at that point. I fully understand why reddit and the memrunner hordes prefer falc or rapier and until the rapier becomes more reliable numbers dont make much of a difference.

>40GB install

Why is this game so bloated?

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any of you mayflies want to go on an adventure with me?

>>377323160

>You can kill them just as quick with the xbow if ur not bad?

Depends on the range, really. If you can get a good volley shot in sure, but other than that probably not. This is just concerning specials of course.

>Again why would you use this against a rogre when you dont even have to pop str and can solo with the multibow on every dif?

Because it's his 2nd best anti-ogre weapon, and does a reliable job taking care of stormvermin and specials.

>>377323029
Plague Censer Bearer when?
DOOMWHEEL bossfight when?

>>377323160
>A quick charge headshot followed by a standard slash would kill the same amount of rats in the same time as the falc.
Alright, lets look at it then:
short charged rapier strike has a duration of 0.65, dealing 5 damage with a headshot multiplier of 1.75. Like you say, you need another hit to finish the rat off, which is 0.40 seconds additionally to that.
With 1.05 seconds spent, we have accomplished killing 1 rat and possibly wounding the second one for 6 damage with the light attack. Again, with 1.25 seconds with Falchion we would have killed 3 rats.

But using a charged attack in the first place is retarded. You miss out on regrowth and KB procs, and waste 0.25 seconds per rat, since two light attacks are faster and kill just as well.

Come the fuck on now.

Can we make vermin thursday a thing?

>>377323956
OP here, I love the game and hate how there's never any discussion about it so I occasionally try to make threads

>>377323160
>reddit and the memrunner hordes prefer falc or rapier and until the rapier becomes more reliable numbers dont make much of a difference.

Keyword here, reliable. People prefer Falchion since it is more reliable. It doesnt require Killing Blow to combat Stormvermin, and it doesnt require hitting the same target twice. It doesnt require KB to perform, which allows it to roll things like Bloodlust+Devblow+Secondwind for example.

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>>377323749
You mind as well just carry a multi which does all of that just as well or the xbow witch (hehe) is the best method for taking out everythign but rogre and then just have someone else for rogre. Or hell, pop a str pot and get a few headshots....
>>377323889
Assuming you didnt land both headshots with the rapier charge poke yeah. And not to be that guy but im under the impression the charge duration on the rapier is lower then that.
>>377324296
Yes, and like I said. The rapier, when preforming better, out preforms the easier to use weapon. Easier doesnt mean better when talking purely from a mechanical perspective.

>>377324617

>You mind as well just carry a multi which does all of that just as well

Or I could just carry a repeater which does a better job taking care of specials and (especially) stormvermin.

>or the xbow

But that's nowhere near as good at damaging the ogre, or dealing with panic moments, or patrols.

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Should I get this game? Is this Left 4 Dead Warhammer edition? Will I get yelled at by jumping straight into maps with no clue on what I'm doing?

>>377324617
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h3GnI6sIS77oXnCzE05k7KTkOoGJ3UezeVi24miBBoM/edit#gid=211564916

Here's the spreadsheet.

>Assuming you didnt land both headshots with the rapier charge poke yeah.
Ah, so you meant the longer charged version of the poke since short one hits only one? That one takes 1 second, and indeed it is possible to kill two targets with a single attack. So with 1 second and incredible precision you are able to kill 2 rats.
But what about the third one? 0.80 seconds is the minimum without KB to kill a clan rat, so you in fact lose in time compared to the Falchion's 1.25

>>377324617
>Yes, and like I said. The rapier, when preforming better, out preforms the easier to use weapon.
Eh, I'm sorry but I just dont see it. Without Killing Blow normal Rapier is in similar times with normal rats.
With Killing Blow you are able to outperform Falchion, but you are relying on the procs. The Regrowth of 5% is not even remotely competitive against Bloodlust.
And lastly Rapier is complete rubbish against Stormvermin, regardless of what you do.

You talk about rapier as some sort of super difficult weapon to use, but as numbers and practice shows, the optimal way of using the weapon is spamming light attacks in hopes of KB procs.

I love rapier, don't get me wrong. I use it often myself and have two rolled so I can be free of the KB meta. But it cannot compare to Falchion, no matter what you do. Falchion is the more reliable weapon that brings more to the table.

>>377325192
Yes, you should

Yes, but better in every way

No, not on lower difficulties. Start small.

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>>377324924
Its only better with specials if you cant aim. And only a little slower with vermin ontop of the fact it can kill more vermin without running out of ammo.
And the xbow does fine with patrols....and 'panic moments' are a you thing not based on the weapon at all. Yeah it does less against the rogre but in every other sit its better.
>>377325192
Yes. Sort of, but cooler mechanically. Just dont play on nightmare or cata and youre fine m8.

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>>377325464
Im under the impression they gave the double poke to the quick stab two patches ago? Its been working for me anyway..
Yeah its more reliable but better mechanically. I use red rapier anyway, im not interested in procs.

>>377325926
>Im under the impression they gave the double poke to the quick stab two patches ago?
Now that you mention it, you might be right. I do recall some talk about it.
So my numbers are a bit off, you actually can kill two rats in 1.05 seconds. Not that it matters since two light attacks give you two rats in 0.80 like stated earlier.

>>377325575

>And the xbow does fine with patrols

In comparison to the repeater? It's fucking trash.

>meanwhile the brace of pistols sits in the corner
>alone
>crying

>>377327458
Gotta say, on Nightmare its a blast. Rupture, targeteer and ammunition holder to top it off and its pretty darn fun to pop rats.

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>>377326586
Facts are OP honestly.
>>377327175
You cant use tapping to kill them and shotgunning takes so long and has no puncture, while the xbow has puncture, headshot, and would be quicker then shottty-ing them.
>>377327458
theyre fine for everything below cata...most of these scrubs dont care about the superior difs tho

>>377327757

> shotgunning takes so long and has no puncture

I'm not even sure if you've used it at this point.

>>377308667

Dunno about other classes, but Bardin's one handed weapons are absolutely boss.

The axe will kill any slave or clanrat in one hit, is very fast, and keeps you mobile with high blockspeed and long dodges. Headshots kill cataclysm clanrats in one hit and the overhead attack will clean up most specials pretty well. Drakes or Grudge are both good enough to handle really large hordes.

1H Hammer is a lot weaker, but infinite targets and Killing Blow make it an unexpectedly kickass choice. I prefer it over the axe on cata as it's much too inconvenient to land axe headshots on every single hit.

Markus Kruber = Bill

>>377311017
HOLY SIGMAR

>>377299727
op, you got it wrong.

he's clearly saying

"Holy SH...Igmar

at the start of that line.

who /twohander hammer/ here

>>377327757
Repeater pistol actually pierces one target so you can reliably kill two SVs with a single burst.
And the burst attack is extremely fast.

Xbow is better against normal rats with the pierce of 5, and against specials at range.

>>377328938
I used to be, then Executioner Sword happened

YOU WANT TO OWN THE DLC'S AND FARM THE DLC MAPS.

waywatcher gets an ap normal attack 2h axe 'glaive' from drachenfels maps.

witchhunter gets repeater cbow

dorf gets WARPIX from dorf fort maps

>>377329687
cont. these weapons are collectively known as the 'armour, what armour?' weapons

>>377299727
This is such a fun game. It's really a bit of a hidden gem, most people would can it because of it's obvious similarities to L4D BUT i think the forced melee combat differentiates it enough to play almost completely differently.

>>377329317
>dwarf
>sword

>>377331330

I mean, both Kruber and Bardin have a 2-handed hammer.

In my mind he will always say

>*Holy* SHIT man, bless this ravaged body

>>377331330
>dwarf
>not using 1h hammer with KB normal
Its like you dont even meta

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>>377331583
>needing to "meta" in vermintide even at max difficulty

>>377305371
>600 hours
jesus fucking christ m8

>>377331089
I don't get the obsession with L4D desu. Vermintide is quite literally better in every aspect.

>>377331648
>Monster Rancher
Fuck. This brought me back. Thanks for the nostalgia anon.

>>377331648

If it's meta *and* it's fun, then I don't see what the issue is. I'm not even sure a kb hammer is the meta for Bardin. Definitely the meta for his 1-handed hammer.

>>377331741
I agree. L4D was always dumb with its balance imo. The weapons all felt the same and anytime some strategy was made, Valve would patch the game so that strategy was no longer viable, so it felt Fucking tedious and like a chore to play. Vermintide has a lot of flaws, but it feels like Fatshark at least remembers at its core the game should still be fun

>>377305818

I've had tons of hours in this game that I wish sudden storm spawns are a thing. They are always fucking hilarious and get my blood pumping.