Nocturne

>>377293650
If you want a SMT thread you can just start one without shitposting

WE'LL SACRIFICE THE SON OF HEAVEN

>>377293650
>dated
Ask me how I know you're underage.

>2017
>playing games with random encounters
you were asking for it m8

>>377293650
It's outdated game with bad dungeon design.

>>377293706
>fusion interface is shit
>only 150 demons
>sukukaja/sukunda/fog breath is broken and makes the game fucking easy
how the hell am I shitposting?
>>377293815
>he doesn't agree with me so he's underage
kys

Funny, because of this game and DDS i can't play IV, or IVA because they seem like a downgrade graphically since you can't see your player and the demons attack and it's all still pictures

>>377293650
IV and IV:A were the only ones I played before playing Nocturne, and for me it was the opposite: while I loved those two (they were my first SMT games and I started them without knowing anything about the series, so you can imagine how blown away I was when I found how different this series is from any other jrpg), Nocturne felt like a step up in lots of ways, I loved the dungeon design, I loved the bosses, I loved how grinding free this game could be if you play it using your head rather than your stats... it´s great.

One thing I really love about nocturne is being able to walk up to models in the city and talk to them. Like decabria waiting for his forneas friend. It really just makes the demons feel so much more alive then 4 or 4a

>>377294679
IV and IV:A don't really require grind. On the other hand IV can get tedious at times because of how easy you can get fucked over by a random encounter (fucking Smirk and no Vit) and I'd rather have save rooms than managing save and load

>>377295142
In SMT case, saving rooms is definetly a plus because of how the dungeons can be designed around them at times, looping entrances in a similar way to Dark Souls. Fuck, this game even has mimic chests.

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>>377293650
I know for some reason /v/ likes to suck this game's dick. But it's fucking horrible. The gameplay isn't fun. Guessing weaknesses/buffing/debuffing isn't challenging, it's just tedious. Demon negotiation process is so shallow and gimmicky (the negotiation part, not the act of getting demons). Dungeons are garbage. Main character has zero personality, he's bland just like the story and world.

If this game was mainstream, I guarantee you /v/ would be shitting on it. Just because it's less popular than other jrpgs the contrarian hipsters on here have to overrate it. The game managed to make Dante boring. How the fuck can you do that? How do you make Dante boring? Nocturne is the greatest at one thing: being boring.

Here comes the fedoras now to defend a game that deep down they know, they didn't enjoy.

nocturne is like The Babadook of videogames. You hear about how amazing it is until you actually play it

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>>377293650
Yeah, I'm kinda miss all the Burroughs Apps apps, they fucking useful.

It's still the only proper 3D SMT we have so it'll always be fun to replay, even if it's a bit clunky. I know the meme is to hate on the game now but just because it's the black sheep of the series doesn't mean it's bad.

I beat it for the first time yesterday, and yeah, there are a lot of things that feel dated. It didn't stop me from enjoying it tho. It was still a great game.

>>377294395
The fusion interface is simple and effective, I never had an issue with it
The demons are fucking 3d when this was the first time smt had 3d graphics
The last one is standard smt debuffs

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>no demons mini-icons

>>377297175
If SMT I and II are popular in the West when Nocturne comes out, people will probably say it's a good game but not a good mainline SMT

That said Press Turn is a great mechanic

>>377297306
Not being able to choose inherited skills is indefensibly bad after playing a game with it.

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>>377294890
>he waiting so long and he became a statue in a jewelry shop.

Any use of float ball?

>>377297306
enemies miss a lot more i nocturne even after one buff/debuff in agility, and it fucking breaks the game. In IV and IV:A even at +3, enemies will still hit you most of the time. (well no if your smirking in IV but that was fixed in IV:A)

>>377301341
>In IV and IV:A even at +3, enemies will still hit you most of the time.

this right here is what makes me regret an full agi build or whatever in SMT4 and A

>>377301070
to float over damaging red floor

>>377294890
>waiting for his Forneas friend
>who you fucking murdered

>>377301813
I've never come across this.

What about Gozu-Tennoh suggestion? Should I accept it?

>>377293650
I decided to start Nocturne over again after Matador put me off the first time.

Having beaten Matador this time, I have to ask, does the game offer anything as difficult as Matador again? I absolutely annihilated Thor and Dante with zero preparation.

>>377302257
This one comes to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIjVvnO5lgM

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Should i fuse a red rider or a black one?

The only thing I can complain about Nocturne is not being able to fuse demons where ever and maybe the encounter rate

>>377302025
i think it will lead to the Yosuga ending but i'm not sure it's been a while

>>377302697
>encounter rate
It's like every 5 seconds. Ugh.

>>377302490
black

>>377302697
>encounter rate

Why do people bitch about this as if Picasa doesn't exist?

>>377302973
Just retreat or exploit weaknesses.

Enemies shouldn't be a threat by the time you get out of the Ginza Line.

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>>377303103
or use estoma, Archangels usually have them

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Is the psn version any good? I know DDS has issues with slowdown, would I be better off just emulating it?

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>>377294890
>gloating to all the Musubi/Yosuga/Shijima npcs after I kill their gods
Kagetsuchi tower was fun.

>>377304221
just emulate it dude

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all SMT games feel pretty ancient, besides a few tweaks and QoL improvements here or there they still use the same mechanics as the 25+ year old games in the series, also they notably don't have huge budgets when compared to other series out there so they keep it simple mostly I guess.

that said nocturne is still arguably the best mainline entry in the series and 4 and 4:A were pretty fucking awful honestly, and outside of the SMT flavored edge, are starting to look like fucking persona games with the power of friendship garbage

>>377293650
Nocturne IS shit but it has nothing to do with being "outdated".

>>377302025
>I've never come across this
Haha oh you will don't worry.
>Gozu-Tennoh suggestion?
Nothing that dumb statue says matters. I think the fist decision that actually matters a little is when Chiaki asks you if you understand her reason.

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Jesus Christ, that desert monk after Gozu-Tennoh rape my entire party with his Magalawhatever skill.

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>>377296241
Kinda agree on the negotiation part because it mainly RNG and kinda shit because of it but still entertaining atleast. I think Demi-fiend not having a personality was intentional so you can insert yourself into his shoes, you play as him after all.

Dante was pretty great in Nocturne honestly because he had his sick design from DMC2 with his personality from DMC1.

>>377304802
If you have a demon with Matarunda it can sheild against insta-kills. Dis has it I think. Otherwise just get lucky(real life lucky, not the stat)

How? It has the exact same core mechanics, just more unpolished. You're not whining about the challenge are you?

>>377302973

The lower level your party are, the higher the encounter rate will be.

>>377304923
I mean Tetraja

>>377304968
gee and a lack of polish could in no way equate to feeling "outdated"
fucking listen to yourself

>>377304923
>If you have a demon with Matarunda it can sheild against insta-kills
Well, I haven't.

Play Nocturne's hardtype hack

>>377305145
Try and fuse Dis she has Tetraja.

>>377305129
The difference is minimal my dude. It might feel outdated but getting used to it should be a question of minutes.

>>377293650
The fusion system and negotiation make it impossible for to come back to Nocturne.

>>377293650
IV:A gameplay is perfect

>>377293650
can't wait for the smt hd on ps4 so smt can finally get out of the nintendo ghetto

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Is it a good idea to do TDE on my first playthrough? Also, if I backed out of the first kalpa after beating Matador am I just locked out of the TDE or can I go back to it later if I want to?

>>377307390
>Is it a good idea to do TDE on my first playthrough?
Yes. Neutral ending is honestly the best, since you won't become Lucifer's bottom bitch and choose it for yourself, but there are barely any differences between endings aside of final cutscene. True Demon Ending has the most content with Labyrinth of Amala and bonus boss fight.

You can take on Labyrinth of Amala as many times you want to, just make sure that you're going to finish it completely before entering the final dungeon.

>Get iron Claw
>Now dealing 2 k damage on crits on bosses.
lol.

i agree, it's a bit outdated, but will nevertheless hold a special place in my heart forever, soundtrack being one of the reasons.

>>377304968
Poor balance, less skills, less demons. Honestly after IV:A it feels really basic

>>377304968
>Challenge
Stop this stupid meme. Just because this was many people's first SMT game, it was by no means challenging. If you have any inkling of how SMT games work, you would have had no trouble with this game, especially on normal. Hard mode is a joke and does nothing but increase magatama prices by triple, while increasing enemy HP, attack, and crit rate.