Fire Emblem Echoes

>>377254684
It's not out yet.

>>377254684
>The artstyle is also very good

You can thank Hidari for that. Hoping he replaces Kozaki for the Switch title, or if they're continuing the remake series they still keep him at least.

>>377254854
It was leaked. Currently playing the undub also

>>377254684
Yeah. I'm loving it more than Fates, to be honest.

>>377254684
Beat it in nip a month ago. Replaying it now with the English dub.
Now I can take all these sidequests and understand what I'm doing with them.

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>>377254684
>managed to pre-order of the CE in a local store
>last Friday get an email
>"sorry anon, we won't have echoes CE at all"
>MFW
I don't even want to get the normal edition now.

>>377254684
Looking forward to picking it up Friday. Love the art style and glad to take a break from self insert MU and marriage.

>>377254684
it would have been a great game if it was released before fates but since it came after it is a bit shallow in comparison. I enjoy the story though so far they did an awesome work there. if we get a pvp option as dlc then its perfrct

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>>377255706
I secured my preorder already for that months ago.
Worth it.

>>377254963
>or if they're continuing the remake series they still keep him at least
I want this the most. The Jugdral characters deserve an artist this good.

>>377255706
shoulda got it at gamestop like i did

>>377254684
First Fire Emblem I've played in a while where I haven't skipped every cutscene.

>>377254963
His artstyle is too washed out and characters look to similar, Senri Kita should come back or they let Kozaki go all out his heroes art is fine.

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>>377256051
>Eldigan and Lachesis drawn by Hidari
I NEED THIS

>>377254684
Yes

Story's good, gameplay's kinda ass

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>Silque: Let's have some girl talk and be friends
>No offense but I'd rather be near Alm so we can't be friends

Damn this women is devoted

>>377255890
I don't think a pvp option would be good. It would pretty much consist of battles of people warping in doot to kill whoever they wanted and then rescuing her back. Unless Fog of War is implemented or there are goals beyond just routing that is.

How the fuck do you get rid of encounters on the map without fighting them? Alm is trapped on a town spot and moving out of it gets me in a fight where my two pegasus knights instantly die from archers before i get the chance to move

>>377256362
Move Celica first to get the enemy to move. You're gonna have to kill them though.

>>377256336
there was fog of war in the ds pvp. the problem there again were the fucking hackers with their surreal stats. Also they should ban/limit some items and abilities or make them less broken.

>>377256362
If you're able to control Celica you should be able to just do stuff on Celica until the enemy in question moves right in front of the village, so you get the first strike.

>>377254684
Played the leaked JP version, didn't really like it much. Not awful or anything, just OK.

>>377256535
moving celica does nothing, i've moved with her for like half an hour and the enemy near alm wont budge

>>377256316
Also a better Pegasus Knight than Claire.

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>>377256316
Can't wait to see that Alm thirst in action when I play Echoes.

>>377256624
Maybe you should rearrange your units then? I don't know what map it is, but I'm sure it's possible to have them take a spot that the enemy can't get to.

>>377256079
Gamestop doesn't exist in my country, i preorder it at literally the only one games only store of my country.

>>377256316
Clair, Catria, and her should have had a tri Cuck Attack

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>>377254684
It's the most aesthetic pleasing FE ever. Presentation and UI are gorgeous, especially with Hidari's artstyle. Story and characters are of course above and beyond Fates. Shame about everything else though.

>>377257343
In other words the gameplay and maps are bad?

>>377257283
But Clair does find another man in the end.

>>377257471
It's not entirely bad but Fates is way better.

>>377254684
Played through FE2 years ago, hated it.

Played Echoes with the menu translation, hated it.

Playing through the leaked US version with the undub, still hating it.

Gaiden just isn't good. It's only good if you're willing to forget it's a Fire Emblem game and just play it as a shitty JRPG. The only time the Gaiden ideas were done well was in TRS which was Kaga's second attempt at making it. The reason that was good was because he scrapped almost everything about Gaiden's map design and fused the idea of two concurrent campaigns and the ability to grind with FE3/5 style maps and FE4 unit progression. He even limited the grinding just to Holmes' campaign.

As for the dungeon crawling in Echoes, I don't think it adds much of anything to the game. Cutting grass and breaking boxes with those shitty floaty attacks to get random items is a chore. The only good thing about Echoes is the presentation. I like the art style, I like the animations, and I like examine backdrops and other fluff like that. The music is also good but it's extremely repetitive. But since the gameplay is what really matters the game is still pretty shit.

>>377257471
yes too faithful to gaiden

>>377257471
The maps can be bad. But I don't think there is a problem with anything else. Just because the mechanics are different than traditional FE doesn't mean it's bad.

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>>377257471
Yeah. Its not a unplayable mess, but if you play another FE like Radiant Dawn or Conquest you're going to be disappointed. Dungeon crawling in particular is just basically a gimmick and gets boring real fast. You also never run out of food so fatigue is pointless.

>>377257471
You basically get awakening but with out the waifus. The maps are fine honestly, any time people talk about good maps every talks about the same few maps from a couple games, FE has way more bad maps than good ones

>>377256316
>negative 15 evade bonus at A rank support with Alm

Kek

The animations and camera angles are so good

>>377258586
They really did put attention to detail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6heFRfHQv0

>>377257471
Gameplay is different, but not necessarily a bad thing.
Maps are pretty bad though.

Is Leon gay?

>>377258754
Of course not. He just has a lot of respect for his bro. Manly respect.

>>377258754
Yes

>>377257514
So does Faye

>>377259183
The difference if that Clair is happy with her's and doesn't run off in the middle of the night and disappear for days, causing her family to worry.

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>>377258754
What makes you say that?

>>377257707
>>377257714
>>377257950
>>377257759
>>377257985
>>377258719
Well, even if it's not as good as Fates at least the story being not total dogshit might make up for it somewhat overall. I at least thought the dungeon crawling bit looked interesting so it's a shame if that's actually bad.

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>>377258712
>that long awkward walk

>>377259374
How do you know that? It says she never stayed grounded, sounds like there's some discord to me there

>>377259795
Yeah, in regards to her flying around on her Pegasus.

>>377259723
They get a lot longer the further you get and it eventually kinda wears out. They're evenly spaced out though so personally it never got to the point where I fucking hated them.
All of Chapter 5 is one big dungeon though so if you weren't feeling it then you'll probably not like chapter 5 at all since it's pretty long.

>>377258712
My fucking sides

>>377258712
So I can change Alm's class to that? It won't let me yet

>>377260319
Nah. Lords only get to promote.

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>>377254684
>playing on Hard/Classic
>hear all these stories about how Valbar and friends are fucking retarded and their survival is pure luck
>keep them all alive on my first try, without even using the Turnwheel
Am I lucky or is everybody else just bad?

>>377260319
It's a hack. Brigands are enemy only.

>>377254684
Music is 10/10
Plot seems decent so far
Dungeon crawling is fun as fuck, I hope something similar is in the Switch game
Equipment is fun

The gameplay overall is more fun than the last two games, even if the maps are worse

>>377259771
It's pretty cool the game actually took that distance in consideration, the farther you attack from with magic/bows, the further the distance is in battle but that could never happen with melee attacks

>>377260648
Oh and crutchwheel is a welcome addition. Fuck having to restart and do the same 50 turns in the exact same order.

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Well that's the first time I heard someone say it like that in vidya. Mae likes Boey right?

>>377260527
I never had that much of a problem either. I just busted my ass to get to them and Genny and Celica healed them.

>>377260802
MEGAN

>>377260527
Lucky. I breezed through it the first time as well but in my NA playthrough I had to reset like five times. Leon is the only one that kicks the bucket, but he does so consistently. If he dodges two attacks he'll survive but the bandits have like 85% hit rate on him. I had to put the leather shield on Genny and extend with her to be able to heal on the turn Leon inevitably dies.

That map is one of the worst in all of Fire Emblem to be honest.

>>377260852
Celica can't heal by that point.

>Robin -> Tobin
>Claire -> Clair
It's a nitpick, but still, why?

>>377260930
I could have sworn I had it on her by then. My memory tends to be pretty bad about that kind of thing.

>>377261026
We already have a Robin and bitching about a missing letter is stupid.

>>377261026
Awakening MU has Robin already.

>>377261026
You're whining about Clair/Claire but not Genny/Jenny?

>>377260852
>>377260930
I didn't even need to heal them.
I just had Boey choke the point at the ship while Celica and Saber rushed to them.
Didn't grind at the cemetery either.

>>377261026
Robin -> Tobin because we already have another Robin.
Claire -> Clair is for the same reason they changed FE6 Wendy to Gwendolyn. No reason.

>>377261026
Dyute>Delthea
Mai>Mae
Leo>Leon

Fucking why?

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>>377254684

>Archers can counterattack at melee range

>>377261356
You got lucky and he dodged twice. You can't get units to the point where they can defend Leon from the two brigands that will kill him on turn 3(?). The best you can hope is to get Genny over to him so he can survive the hits before Valbar and Kamui clear things out.

The only name change that really bothers me is changing Harold's name to Arthur. We already have two other characters named Arthur so it's getting needlessly redundant.

>>377258754
All the archers are GAAYYYY

>>377260802
Yup.
Her support with Celica is all about trying to get Boey to notice her and they get married at the end and fuck like rabbits.

What do I promote the villagers to?

>Clair btfo Gray in her supports
the woman are so savage in this game, on top of being almsexual.

>>377261871
Well Genealogy was never localised so I guess they thought they got a free pass, and in the other case it's more like Artur. I get what you're saying though.

>Make a character and name her Elfie
>Localise it as Effie
>Next game comes out
>Make a character and call her Effie
>Well shit we already got a character named Effie, lets just call her Faye
>Not to be confused with the dragon loli Fae of course

>>377261812
He only ever got hit by this one brigand who did 5 damage to him, and he didn't even get doubled.
Kamui did kinda kill a brigand with a crit, though, and I think Valbar blocked the other one from getting to Leon.

>>377262420
Gray- Merc
Tobin- Archer or Mage
Kliff- good in any class, but has the largest spell list of the villagers, Tobin gets the useful spells faster though
Faye- Cleric for rescue shenanigans or Peg Knight
Atlas- Merc and only merc. He will be trash in any class that isn't merc because it's the only class that fixes his speed and skill issues.

>>377257283
The normal triangle attack already pretty much is one. Est is the only one who doesn't get cucked but she still doesn't end up with Abel long-term anyway.
>every potential pegasus in this game (without forks) is suffering

>>377262420
>Grey = Merc
His speed can be a problem and you really do need a merc on Alm's side. It's the best physical class in the game so it kind of invalidates Grey's other choices.

>Tobin = Mage
Early Excalibur is incredible and he gets Physic as a Sage.

>Cliff = Cavalier
Him having his Excalibur level raised makes Tobin better for the role, and Cliff makes the best Cavalier in the game not named Mathilda.

>Faye = Cleric
Early Physic. Nothing more to say on that.

You don't need to make any of them Archers since Python fills that role. Faye as a Pegasus Knight wastes her potential as a Cleric. Soldier is a dead class. As for Atlas, just make him a merc since he doesn't do anything else well. He's absolutely serviceable as a merc though so if you really have to use him, make him that. He's not too bad as one either, but he'll consistently be one promotion behind Saber and Kamui.

>>377262795
i have gray as a mage and faye as a cavalier and I don't really regret either.
tobin isn't really useful as a merc tho. lightning sword helps a little.

>>377262420
Gray - Merc
Tobin - Archer
Kilff - Mage
Faye - Cleric
Atlas - Merc

Some things to note though.
Tobin can also do ok as a Mage apparently because he learns a really good spell much earlier than Kliff. However he doesn't learn anything else until he promotes and even then he only learns one other spell, although it's Physic which is pretty good because of the range
Kill will be good in anything. It's just that he learns the most spells as a Mage and one of the few mages that can learn Aura.
Faye also puts in work as a Peg. Knight, but as a Cleric she has access to Physic, Rescue and Again, the latter is basically your Dance in this game. Basically if you want the heal and utility or another attack not bound by terrain, and Peg. Knights are pretty good in this game.
Atlas only works as a Merc.

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>>377254684
>going to be at work when my copy comes in
hoping it comes in before I have to leave since I have a shift long enough to bring my 3ds

>>377254684

>No weapon triangle

Not sure how I feel about this one. I'm not exactly heartbroken that axe users are gone, as I never really liked them all that much; but the weapon triangle missing kind of bothers me.

So what are battles like OP? How are the maps?

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guess imma post it again
>great difficulty curve
>extra shit is a great change of pace
>maps are simple enough that I don't get tired of trying to figure out shit like other recent games
top 3 easy.

>Won't be getting it until Monday because Amazon fucked up my order
Fucking hell.

>>377263130
Well shit I made Tobin a merc, Gray a Cavalier and Cliff an Archer

>>377262795
>>377263130
>>377263329
>3 answers and all of them are legitimately good explanations
This is surprising

>>377262420
>Gray
Merc. Gives him much needed Speed, and compliments his high attack.

>Tobin
Archer or Mage. I'd go with Mage for early Excalibur, and you get Python not much later anyways.

>Kliff
Hard to say. He was an outstanding Mage in Gaiden, but he was nerfed in Echoes and now gets Excalibur at Level 9. He still has a good spell list by endgame, but Tobin gets the spells that matter earlier. Either Cav or Mage.

>Faye
Pegasus or Cleric. I went with Cleric since two healers is really nice, plus she gets Physic really early.

>Atlus
I guess if you REALLY want to use him you can make him a Merc, but you already have Saber and Kamui, and they are just plain better.

>>377263449

Oh, and weapons don't break? Is this going to be a trend from now on?

>>377263717
Weapons work differently in this game and magic costs HP to use

>>377263329
Tobin is objectively better as a Mage than Kliff. Excalibur is the only spell you'll ever be using besides Seraphim. By endgame you'll mostly be using Sages for heals anyway so Tobin having Physic is a godsend.

>>377263717
Not really a trend since Echoes is entirely its own thing being a faithful remake of Gaiden. Don't expect anything here to come back in the Switch FE.

>>377254684

As someone who has never ever played a fire emblem game, should i try this game?

Also when does it come out in the US?

>>377263449
Maps are mostly wide open spaces. Battles have a bigger focus on terrain since terrain bonuses are huge in this game. Magic however ignores those bonuses. So you want to use your mages for dealing with assholes on forests or graves.

>>377263717
They didn't break in the original gaiden either. This game is very much like a traditional RPG in certain aspects. You can also equip a shield or a ring for other effects that isn't just straight up damage.

>>377263929
No. Emulate Blazing Sword instead for free instead of spending money on this.

>>377263929
next week I think? it's leaked if you've hacked your 3ds.
the difficulty curve is good for beginners, but it's got stuff the rest of the series doesn't.

>>377264014

Would you say the maps are more like Awakening's?

>>377263929
This Friday.
It's not a normal Fire Emblem game, so don't base any view of the series on it.

>>377263449
>>377263717
Weapon Triangle wasn't introduced until Genealogy and they wanted to stay true to Gaiden as much as possible. That and there are no playable Axe users/all of them are enemies and they didn't want to add in new ones or rebalance around it if it would fuck up what made Gaiden, Gaiden.
Weapons didn't break in Gaiden either. Instead everyone carried a 0 Mt weapon by default and has an item slot you could equip new weapons to.

>>377264080
Every map is a rout objective. Big open fields make up the majority of the maps. Absolutely nothing to actually do other than kill things on maps.

>>377264189

That's fine, I like routing enemies.

>>377263929
Probably not. People call it FE's Zelda 2 so I guess it's not a good idea

>>377263929
This is my first Fire Emblem game and I'm enjoying it.

>>377264161

I'm told that even non-magic characters sacrifice HP for strength with stronger weapons, is this true?

>>377264302
equippable weapons gain xp to unlock arts, which use hp.
dunno about late game stuff.

>>377263929
It's FE's Zelda 2. Play it if you want, but don't expect other FE games to be like it.
Comes out in 2 days in the US.

>>377264359

Interesting

>>377264359
>>377264302
oh, and standard weapons aren't counted as inventory. you can only carry one thing, shield sword food etc.

>>377261026
>>377261604
Tobin and Leon were to avoid conflicts with Robin and Leo.

Clair and Mae were "changed" with Awakening. The only existing romanizations at this time also gave us retarded shit like Qulyf (Kliff), so they understandably ignored them and took guesses based on the pronunciations of their name. Clair and Mae are both entirely viable interpretations of their respective names, although Mae is a little retarded compared to May or Mei.

>>377261871
>>377262591
Arthur had already appeared in English as of Awakening, though, and they didn't change his name again for the ballot even when they went out of their way to unfuck Raquesis (only to fuck her again as Lachesis by making her a shitty staffbot, but that aside.) Eventually they're both going to show up in Heroes and that'll be fun.

Incidentally the Japs will probably encounter this problem even earlier because the original version of Fates did the same fucking thing with Kamui. This conflict doesn't exist in English.

>>377264302
Using skills costs HP.
The other exception is the Darkness Sword which has a chance of not attacking and instead hurting the wielder. Dread Fighters apparently negate that effect though.

>>377264232
There are certain maps that require you to tackle with a certain amount of care that are a lot different that the usual Awakening map, Stuff like a map that's based on a boss with a spell that reduces health to one or a boss with an AoE that can hit everyone. These are in the minority though.

>>377264302
Yes. It's what skills are this time around. It's not based on RNG.

>>377264426

So, I'll have to choose between healing items, and shields and all that other shit on the side?

>farm boy who's never left his village is suddenly the leader of Deliverance

I mean I'm kinda ok with it but it was so sudden

>>377264556
Yes. Usually you'll want to give shields and rings to your mages since they can't use traditional weapons.

>>377264556
you don't get many. healing items are definitely nerfed, but convoy is back. and healers are p good.
maps are also not so long that you need much healing, generally.

>>377254684
Nah, I'll wait for the fan translation. The rest of you faggots can enjoy your cuck translation.

>>377264570
Ferdinand was right, Clive is a goddamn moron
>b-but muh Mycen

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>>377264570
Farm boys have a lot of hidden potential.

>>377254684

Playing it now. I'm liking the dialogue more than Fates, and I love Mila's Turn Wheel. Now, rogue critical hits will never be a problem for me.

I have to buy this the next pay cheque I get.

>tfw copy gets in next week
Kill me

>>377262591
The real name change that pisses me off is Sety to Ced; that's just dumb. I hope that gets changed like how they did Thito and made it Thea.

I guess I should be made about Soanvalke to Stefan, but at least Soanvalke is bizarre name.

>forgot to recruit Python
>already halfway into chapter 4
>go all the way back to get him
>spawned like 4 witches on the maps

Is it worth it?

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>Celica has the same base defense as Saber, a fucking professional Mercenary

>>377265152
the fourth arc? no.

>>377265265
Dread Fighters are fucking strong as fuck so it's all good.

>>377262420
Another question to springboard off this one, when should you promote the villagers and other classes as a rule of thumb?

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>>377258754
>>377259454
The real question if Python is.

>>377265265
Doesn't matter since Myrmidon has a base defense of 7 and Saber should be promoting by the Seabound Shrine.

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>>377260802
>Both Mae and Clair get BLACKED

>>377265674
Python's a jokey bastard. He takes absolutely nothing seriously.

>>377265672
asap unless you want to grind for postgame, for everyone but the lords
or so i was told

>>377265052
>The real name change that pisses me off is Sety to Ced
To be fair, the spell is now (and should be) Forseti, so it'd need to change a little anyway to be completely consistent with that.

I'd personally have gone with Set though since it's still in the name, is pretty similar, and happens to be a god itself (albeit from a totally different mythology.) Resemblance to Seth is also a cute bonus.

>>377265672
As soon as possible, since promotion gains are just increases to the class's base stats. If you're over the class bases, you don't gain any extra stats.

Can I undub the physical version of the game?

>>377262420
I made Kliff a mage and he's pretty much non-stop raping bosses to the point I stopped using it because he can literally solo everything.

>>377265801
I don't know anon, calling boys you just meet stud seems pretty gay to me.

>>377265672
As soon as possible.
Promoting just bumps up you stats to the bases of the class you're promoting into. If you already meet those bases then you just get some extra HP, but no bonus stats. Grinding to 20 isn't worth the effort.

>>377265604
>>377265704
I wasn't really talking about it like I thought Saber had bad def, I was just saying that it's funny how Celica "needed somebody strong to help take on the pirates" and the guy they got is just as strong as her anyways.

>>377265672
They should all be promoted at the first shrine. There's no excuse for them not being level 3 since it's so easy to feed them kills. Gray is already more than ready to promote and Tobin just needs a single level so prioritize getting kills for Kliff and Faye in the first two maps and the shrine itself. They'll get tons of passive exp anyway since the first maps give a lot of bonus exp.

>>377265995
It's like calling someone ladykiller.

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>>377257343
>Story and character
>and characters
This asshole barely talk
>Get Lukas
>No support with Alm/Python/Forhtis

>>377261604
>Leo>Leon
It was the reverse for the Nohr Loe/n

>>377265672
Villagers? I'd say either asap or get them to level 9-10. Grinding beyond is a real chore but with some luck you will get enough additional stats that will ease life.

>>377266240
>It's like calling someone ladykiller.
Stud has more "I like what I see" connotations, though. I wonder what's the original JP dialog.

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>>377256641
Doubful. Worst bases and worst growths than Claire.

And see her cleric spell list. That is why you want her cleric

>>377266368
it could be passed off as being a bro. even if they just met.

>>377257343
Go play Gaiden now, do not use fast forward in your emulator and see why this remake is a remake done well.

>>377257471
Gameplay is far beyond Gaiden, they gave you ton of quality of life stuff.

>>377266263
Lukas is Alm's adviser and gets enough speaking roles throughout the main story.
His monologue before fighting Duma was pretty cool too.

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>>377260802
She marries Boey at the end and fucks like rabbits.

>>377266509
>>377266368
>>377266240
>>377265801
>>377265674
Well Forsyth only marries if he dies and he never marries himself.

>>377261746
Git gud

>those straight as fuck faces in every conversation and story dialogue
These guys should be comediants.

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>Unable to get Alm out of her mind, Faye returned to her old life in Ram Village. Eventually, she met and married a suitor who claimed he did not mind her pining for the king,
>who claimed he did not mind her pining for the king,
Wow, that guy is one hell of a cuckhold

>>377266908
He gets married if Python dies because he moves to the boonies to get away from where he used to serve with his friend and marries a village girl. If my buddy died in a war I'd want to get away and meet new people as well.

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>>377267334
Doesn't really matter who she thinks about if it's your dick going in.
You can't resist the dick for long.

>Dahha/Barth and Gahha/Garth don't have their portraits mirrored in Echoes
shit game desu
a recolor isn't lazy enough

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>Zombie dragon fight near the begining of Celica's campaign
>It dies it 2 hits from Celica
It's presentation was cool as fuck, but the encounter was so disappointing.

>>377266450
Not disagreeing with you, but those growth rates are wrong and aren't taking class growths into account.
Clair has 30 35 55 75 55 25 2 for growth rates.
Peg!Faye has 35 35 30 35 35 35 3 for growth rates.
Clair is obviously still superior, just thought I'd mention that.

>>377267334
What was the point of Faye? What's with their obsession with this shitty archetype? Why did they further the archetype by making the person incapable of moving on and suffering permanently?

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>tfw the armor knights finally look cool again

>>377267643
That fight is trivial if you have the Angel spell.

>>377267643
It's pretty much there just a check to see if you have seraphim yet. They aren't that bad to fight. The dragons in the postgame however is a totally different beast. Jesus Christ.

>>377267643
It's more of a threat in the original because you had actual odds of not having the Angel spell yet by the time you get access to the island.

>>377267890
that's what I said though, it died in two hits from Celica.
>>377267921
I've heard that chapter 6 is absolutely insane. How bad does it get difficulty wise, and since it's new content do the maps get any better? I already know that Grima shows up.

>>377267874
Their animations are so good too. I never get tired of seeing them shield bash or kick their enemies.

>>377267643
The fight serves as a Level check.
If you aren't able to kill it, you don't have Seraphim yet, which means that Celica is underleveled.

>>377267874
I legitimately want a FE 6/7/8 remake just to see the armour knights and their chain attacks return. I'm an awakeningbaby, but they shot up from one of my least favorite classes to my favorite just from the GBA animations alone.

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>>377268115
>that overhead stab that comes after they block an attack
>that shield bash they use to finish off enemies
The only animations that are slicker so far are the Myrmidons.

>>377268084
It's three boat maps and a dungeon. The first two boat maps aren't too bad, but the last one is really fucking hard since you're just on one boat with flying enemies everywhere and three dagons on the boat. The dagon's water breath ignores your defenses by the way so that's a bunch of fun. After that it's a ten floor gauntlet and no places to save inbetween and the strongest enemies in the game. If you aren't totally prepared for it then it will tear you a new one. I had fun with it, but it's only for the masochists.

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>>377254684
Basically the gameplay, including maps, and the OST is worse than Fates.

The story is better than Fates.

The characters are kinda hard to pin down. Some may like them more just for being less 'gimmicky', but there isn't much to a lot of them either. Supports barely add anything to them. Doesn't help that the character with the most supports is Celica, who is just bland.

>>377268416
Wait till you see the dread fighters. It'll be cool the first time and then you'll be seeing them waayy too much. The crit animation is still pretty cool though

>>377269194
>OST
>Worst than Fates

KeK

>Gameplay is worst than Fates when Fates mages and archers are fucking useless, unless they are the almighty Takumi
>Gameplay is worst than Fates when Fates when you can have 6 skills on each characters, instead of having skills linked to weapons
>Gameplay is worst than Fates, when Fates' main strat is to +7 iron weapons because most weapons have huge downsides

My Limited Edition shipped today, I guess I'll download the undub though and give it a whirl

How's the difficulty in this game? I breezed through Awakening and Birthright hard but Conquest normal kicked my ass on a few chapters like the ninja rape cave.

>>377269621
>unless they are the almighty Takumi
And Mozu.

>>377269621
>Ophelia

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>>377270001
Pretty much any character can make a good archer since it comes with so many damage and hit boosters. Except Setsuna because she makes even Rinkah look strong.

>>377269621
>archers are useless
>every character is going to have a +7 iron weapon

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>>377270056
>Using Odin

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>>377270247
>Not using Odin
He's the best unit in the game.

>>377269991
Sounds like you just suck at any game that requires you to do anything other than rout and grind.

You'll like Echoes.

>>377270247
Even if Odin is kind of a crummy character because of his growths, Ophelia and her map are simply too good.

>Free Horse Spirit, Calamity Gate not normally available on Conquest
>Free Lightning
>Elise!Ophelia gets absurd Magic cap

Many a time I get saved by her blowing Stoneborn the fuck out with 1 shot.

>>377270381
>24 SPD
>Using Odin

>>377270381
Odin's fucking awful. He's only good until you get Nyx, who in turn is really only good as Leo's stat backpack and cumdump. At best Odin contributes by giving you Ophelia's paralogue full of free shit, particularly the Horse Spirit. Posting a screenshot of his stats is worthless since anyone can get there with favoritism, which Odin absolutely requires to become useful.

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>>377270616
>not mentioning the best unit

>>377270616
Don't forget that Ophelia has a pretty good Unique Weapon

>>377265898
Probably not

General question, should i be promoting characters right as they are able or should I wait until they hit 20? Never played the original gaiden so I wasn't sure

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>>377256316
>devoted
that's one way to put it
Luckily. Alm is no shitty avatar and deals with it himself

>>377271282
>>377265876
>>377266038

>>377270840
Yeah, Missiletainn is nice to have.

>Fimbulvetr tome, but without -Spd
>Innate crit

I would use it more if I didn't just coast on Mjolnir. Or Lightning.

>>377271282
ASAP. When units promote their stats will increase up to the base of the class, otherwise they just gain like 1 HP. So you generally want to get into the next classes sooner for various innate skills, especially Mages and Clerics for their spells.

Anyone know if there are units I should not recruit as Alm? I know the ones you don't recruit go to Celica, but I don't want Alm to get everyone and leave Celica with nothing.

Also turned Faye into a Pegasus Knight and is turning out much better than Clair.

>>377271415
Literally doesn't matter. You can technically leave Faye behind for Celica but there's no reason to. Just recruit everyone. There's no way to cheese your way into having Warp on Celica's side so it doesn't matter.

>>377271415
The only two are Kliff and Faye and both are better off with Alm.

>>377271368
So Faye's a cuck? I'm assuming Alm and Celica get married

>>377269621
>archers are fucking useless
I don't you think you played Fates.

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>Literally have a 10% SKL growth
>Only motther that can unfuck her SKL growth is Azura or a magic oriented femui

>>377270792
Who is that? I can't recognize that face. Or hair.

>>377271556
Seriously. Niles is one of the best utility units in the entire series. Archers themselves aren't very good but Niles, as an Outlaw, is better than the vast majority of bowlocks in the series.

Unless you mean Takumi and >Mozu. Takumi is a bowlock in an enemy phase dominated game and Mozu is total trash.

>>377271508
Oh man, don't remind me about Celica's lack of warp.
>Alm's route has 2 warpers.
>Celica's route, the route filled with bullshit terrain, has 0 warpers.
Fuck you Kaga. And fuck you ISIS for not putting the cross route revival exploit back in.

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>>377256316
>>377271535
pretty much. marries another and still doesn't get over it

silque deserves a better girl to support with

>>377271656
Sennou, the boss of Ophelia's map. You can get him by having Niles capture him.
He's actually not all that special outside of looking like a total geek and wanting dirty tomes or something

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>>377271656
Looks like the boss from her level

>>377271756
>player phase dominated game
Fates is pretty player phase heavy.

Takumi's major draw back is his shit speed. Reina is pretty good, especially if you get her archer skills through marriage or my castle bullshit.

>>377271756
Archers literally shit all over Lance and shuriken units. They're just long range axes units but with perfect accuracy. And Mozume is literally GOAT if you bother to train her.

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>>377271939
>>377272049
Ahh, I see. I captured him and Candace but never used them. I remember when Candace or Draj was revealed and I thought it was real amusing. Then I never used her.

>Locked to Adventurer because of her unique character model.
Why.

>>377272379
because she puts away the fudge

>>377271405
I thought that you should wait till level 20 to promote Celica, Alm and Pegasus knights.

>>377270785
Odin is much better than Nyx and under certain conditions, Leo and Ophelia as well. Nyx is garbage. The only possible way you can make use of her is early promoting her since her durability is too low for anything else otherwise.

Odin can easily dominate early and midgame with Nosferatu, even on lunatic, and even the Ninja cave if you reclass him to Adventurer a class where he can get move +1 and lucky seven.

And with how many spirit dusts there are in Conquest and how many options he has to fix his speed, it's pretty easy to use him all game.

He's easily the most underrated unit in Conquest.

>>377272049
Birthright is in no way player phase dominated. Takumi's drawback is being bowlocked.

>>377272105
Mozu eats experience that anyone else can be given. If you're doing it right you won't get Mozu until after chapter 9 anyway since you need her paralogue and the first invasion to recruit Haitaka before chapter 10. At that point the only way to save her is by making her a Dread Fighter or Dark Flier, both of which make anyone good and isn't Archer.

This is reminding me of the retards that say trainees are good.

>>377271828
>Tfw no alternate ending where Faye kills Celica

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>>377272379
The best one is Daniela. Because she's a very good as a maid and actually have not so bad growths.

>>377272049
I'd argue that Fates seems player phase focused at first glance, but is actually pretty enemy phase heavy.
The enemy units have nasty skills sure, but they're not statistically scary like say, FE12 enemies, so it's not that hard to kill them on enemy phase with juggernaut units like Xander, Camilla, Corrin, etc.
FE12, on the other hand, had shitty prepromotes that didn't scale well with the highest difficulty, and made you use units like archers to deal with dracoknights.

>>377272490
You can, that's only if you want to min max since they only get 40 levels total. Alm should have no problem getting to 20 by the time he's ready to promote, but Celica promotes at the end of Chapter/Act 3.

>mad about Celica.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C1q7t9VWZg

>>377272490
I got the impression that getting the Peg Knights into Falcoknights, thus getting Attack+10 VS Terrors faster was more useful. Because of the way that the EXP curve drops like an anchor it takes really long to level up to 20.

Alm promotes kind of late anyway so he was already high level when I was playing. I don't remember for Celica. Was hers forced?

>>377272693
>FE12, on the other hand, had shitty prepromotes that didn't scale well with the highest difficulty, and made you use units like archers to deal with dracoknights.


Just make your own flying death squad. Pegasus knights rape the shit out of FE12

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So....you can't marry anyone you want?

>>377272576
>Mozu eats experience that anyone else can be given
That why you feed her experience in her starting chapter. She incredibly useful on chapter 10 Lunatic along with Niles because of the Pegasus units.

>>377273032
No
There are premade pairs already so deal with it

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>>377272578
you would almost expect her to try
At least she can keep Nyna company on losing their love to another

>>377272526
You say early promotion like it's a bad thing. Early promoted Nyx is incredible since by the time she starts falling off she becomes a perfect stat backpack for Leo. And please, if you want to get through the game slowly you can use anyone else. Nosferatu is a fucking joke. Plus those spirit dusts and speedwings are better off spent on Leo who requires zero investment or favoritism.

And my point isn't that he can't become good. Any unit can become good. He's just harder to make good without favoritism.

>>377273042
>muh second ballista
Is it March 2016 again? Am I on gamefaqs?

>>377272693
I'll admit that when I made the comment that I was thinking primarily of conquest. >>377272576
reminded me that every time I play birthright it ends up as just pairing corrin with the lobster around chapter 16 or something and just awakening it up. But on conquest poisons, debuffs, and lunge makes enemy phases pretty dangerous at times.

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>>377273182
>pairing Corrin with Ryoma
Why would you stick your two rape units together when you could just stick some pair up fodder on both?

>>377272576
Y'know, people always talk about how great Haitaka is and I've never used him. And yet I've always been able to complete Conquest pretty easily. Besides outliers like Ryoma.

I just feel like units like him are simply a waste of EXP. How could a unit like him that has no supports or reclasses be useful in the long term?

>>377273178
>she isn't useful because I say she isn't
ok

>>377257343
Why are her boots full of cum?

>>377273163
>Alm gets a generic nice girl
>Camus gets a moeblob
>Clive gets a busty battle goddess
We all agree Clive won right?

>>377273042
So are Outlaw!Nyx and Ranger!Felicia and they don't require any grinding.

If you're really so desperate for another bow user in Conquest, you're frankly better off using Odin than Mozu. Adventurer Odin gets better skills and beats her in HP, magic (meaning more damage thanks to shining bow+malelific aura), luk, res, in exchange for still being fast enough to double every enemy in the game and only slightly worse def, something that will be offset by him having 8 points more res and 7 points more HP.

If I only playone 3DS Fire Emblem game, which should it be?

>>377273602
Boey won

>>377273641
easily this one.

>>377273406
She isn't useful for the reason you states. Camilla eats the Pegasus units for lunch and that deployment slot could be better used on pair up fodder like Arthur or Haitaka for Rally Defense.

>>377273359
You never have to feed him a single point of experience for him to be doing his job. Rally Defense allows for a huge amount of breathing room in chapter 10 since it allows nearly anyone to tank Hinata's crew.

>>377273635
Those all require an early Heart Seal, and Felicia is infinitely better as a Strategist.

>>377273641
Depends on how much experience you have with the series. Conquest is an incredible game from a gameplay perspective.

>>377273816
lolno

>>377273042
Camilla, Beruka and Niles can deal with the pegasus knights. The pegs aren't threatening enough to the point that you need to use a Heart Seal for two bow users in Ch 10.

>>377273641
Do you like self inserts and marriage? Play Awakening and Fates. If you really hate that shit, then play Echoes.

>>377273884
the story is so sht in conquest that it would completely turn him off.
fuck off back to /feg/ with the rest of the waifufags.

>>377273319
Because Ryoma has a 2 range sword that doesn't fuck with your ability to dodge, unlike say Corrin. It's safer to just have Ryoma rape everything than risk having more than one unit out.

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>>377273602

>>377273676
Boey , Gray or the mystery guy that married Genny

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>>377272616
>best one is Daniela
>not OUR BOY Haitaka

>>377273970
I just want a fun tactical rpg with dramatic story

>autist arguing over how you should be playing a single player game when anything works as long as you aren't retarded, and for the wrong game at that

>>377274172
then again, easily this one.

>>377273178
>You say early promotion like it's a bad thing.
It is when Odin doesn't need to early promote to kill stuff and doesn't fall off unlike Nyx. Nyx early promoting just puts her on par with Odin in terms of bulk, while Odin will stay viable for the rest of the game. Nosferatu is not a joke. It's one of the best 1-2 range weapons in early game. Unlike the handaxe and javelin, it doesn't lower AS and also boosts def. Additionally, it perfectly offsets Odin's offense in early game so that he just needs a magic tonic at base to 2RKO and Oni in chapter 10, which is a boon since he won't get screwed over by the ones with throwing clubs or paired ones that get 3HKO by some of your other units.

And investing in Odin will have better pay off than Leo. In a 8/4, 1x/5, 9/5, 10/11 turn split, Odin can A support Niles and get Outlaw, meaning he can get Mov+1. He on average is easily capable of gaining two levels in chapter 17 as a bow knight or adventurer with a berserker pair up or Keaton pairup and Azura's dance (and you can still get a sub 6 turn clear of the chapter). A 10 move 1-2 range unit with high bulk is always worth investing in when Conquest gives you three spirit dusts for free, one of which you only get from using Odin.

>>377273635
>Adventurer
Adventurers get no good skills compare to a regular Archer.

>>377274172
then play Echoes

>>377274020
Nigger I've been posting about gameplay and telling people why their ideas are objectively shit for the better part of an hour. Hell, the reason I said CQ was because the gameplay is good. How the fuck does that make me a waifufag?

>>377274049
What are you doing to make Corrin of all units a liability?

>>377274020
Some people actually play games for gameplay first and story second, and Conquest is absolutely better from a gameplay perspective.

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>>377274146
The one that married Genny might be picture related

>>377274252
Move +1 is better than any skill the archer line has. Lucky seven is better than certain blow.

Is it too much to ask for good gameplay + maps without waifushit? I was excited for Gaiden but after going through these threads it looks like a downgrade compared to Fates. Still gonna get it and form my own opinion but man it sucks to hear

>>377274269
>>377274298
there are other things to like about FE gameplay than muh maps.
On top of that, I can't stand the previous two entries becuase RPGs require good writing to be worth it.

>>377273884
>Those all require an early Heart Seal
So does Archer Mozu.

>Felicia is infinitely better as a Strategist.
Felicia's best reclass option in Conquest is Ranger. Her base strength and a forged bronze bow is all she needs to readily kill fliers until chapter 15, and it's the class that provides the best pair-up bonuses to Corrin. It also shaves more turns than Strategist if you care about efficiency/ltc.

>>377274257
>>377274216
thanks

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How2recruit?

>>377274312
Bowfaire and Quick draw are definitely more useful than a extra movement space. And having perfect hit rate for the whole map is better than just seven.

>>377274269
>What are you doing to make Corrin of all units a liability?
Playing birthrout on lunatic mostly. He can only last for so long soloing the map, which is the only way I can stand the later birthright maps.

>>377274307
But that's forbidden love!

>>377274653
Do the map where they fight as guests, then return to the port town to talk to them and recruit them.

>>377274672
>Bowfaire and Quick draw are definitely more useful than a extra movement space
No. Movement is one of the most important stats in the game. And even with those skills, Sniper mozu will do less damage than Shining bow Odin.

>And having perfect hit rate for the whole map is better than just seven.
The majority of maps in Conquest are easily beaten in 7 or less turns, and lucky seven also boosts avoid and works on enemy phase.

>>377274653
No won't be able to recruit them until after the fight after the town where you meet them. Just make sure they don't die

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>>377274307
That reminds me, does hottest girl still get fucked over in her ending for no reason?

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Remember, since this will most likely sell like hot garbage, we will get more pedolicious Fire Emblem games with more funny marriage.

>>377274221
Odin doesn't fall off but he doesn't have much of a start either. And every unit not named Corrin, Camilla, Leo, and Xander fall off in Conquest by endgame so early promoting either Nyx or Effie is a great way to make midgame easier.

And you have a warped idea of what payoff is. You spend resources to get Odin up to par which can be spent on another better early unit and still get Leo to dump the Spirit Dusts and Speedwing on. Leo also gets Outlaw through Nyx or if you really need it before chapter 17, Niles. Though I'd argue that extra point of movement, while nice, isn't worth the hassle.

Like I've said before, Odin can be good, but any unit can be good with the kind of favoritism you're giving him. The best argument in favor of Odin is Ophelia's paralogue. Otherwise I consider him an inferior use of experience.

>>377274920
Yes. No happy endings in Kaga emblem.

>>377274920

>Sonya's search for a cure for women turned into witches took her across the land. Her trail ended in a remote region, after which she was never seen again. Rumors fly, however, that shortly thereafter a new witch took up residence in Nuibaba's abode on Fear Mountain."

Anon, i am sorry.

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>>377274307
>it's said that she fell in love with one of her companions. Who in the world could that person be?
>After falling in a most unlikely love, Genny wed a man no one would ever expect.

>He joined the establishment of Jesse's kingdom. Meanwhile, he gets to cuddle with a lovely wife.
>aided the One Kingdom on many occasions—always with his stunning bride by his side."

who would of guessed Genny was into those kind of guys?

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kek

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>>377274968
You say that as if Doot doesn't already awaken the pedo in people.

>>377255890
PvP has literally never and will literally never be worthwhile in FE.

>>377275062
>married someone old enough to be her dad

Hot. But seriously that's kinda stretching it, are there any actual hints in the game or is that just speculation.

>>377274968
>>377275078
Just make it into a remake series so I can play those while others play the garbage new titles

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>>377275062
> Meanwhile, he gets to cuddle with a lovely wife.

You will never cuddle with Genny

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>>377275078
It won't be long until we can make an echoes version of this.

>>377275032
That's such a bullshit ending. It totally contradicts her whole journey to cure witches. It's Felicia's dub ending all over again.

I guess the best that can be done is assume she became a witch as part of her finding a cure.

>>377275247
Speaking of SMT IV, those sections where you explore towns and docks reminds me of it.

>>377254684
Dropped it. Boring ass game. Currently playing Path of Radiance Maniac mode and Fixed mode.

>>377275078

All the bad reviews i've read are from reviwers that started with Awakening.

All the good reviews i've read are from reviewers that started with FE7 or 9

>>377274682
Birthright Lunatic is piss easy though. Unless you specifically hobble his defense there's no way for him to be incapable of ripping even the lategame apart.

>>377275078
>enemies and maps offer very little variation
They're right about this.

>/v/ unironically thinks Fates has better maps and gameplay than Echoes

It's too late. ISIS has won.

>>377275062
They both get that ending even if the other one dies. So I doubt GennyxSaber is canon unlike GrayxClair or ClivexMathilda

>>377274831
I just Aqua or boots if I wanted more movement space. I never used a Shinning Bow Odin so I don't know.

And how in the world are you going to finish the majority of Conquest maps on Lunatic in 7 or less turns without cheesing.

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>>377275161
That's because Doot is the cutest magical nuke (with growths rivaling Lilina's, but with better SKL and SPD) ever since Nino.

>>377275189
Genny says she likes older people, but aside from there isn't anything else to support it. They never interact with each other and have no support bonuses. Their death status doesn't affect their endings like it does with other paired characters. You wouldn't be wrong or right for thinking it's Saber.

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>>377275078
Goddamn, Awakening and Fates were fucking mistakes.

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>>377266672
>Gameplay is far beyond Gaiden

>>377257710
Very good. I agree.

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>>377275367
Here's your (You)

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I'm not usually into this but seeing her damaged art from Heroes makes me diamond

>>377275613
here's yours

>>377275520
>T. Someone that didn't play original Gaiden
Here, play it without using fast forward.
https://www.emuparadise.me/Nintendo_Entertainment_System_ROMs/Fire_Emblem_Gaiden_(Japan)_[En_by_J2e_v0.97b2]_[Fix_by_Starwolfs]/55521

>>377275078
He's right about everything but the last part you know.

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>>377275616
>clothes disintegrate when they get damaged
When did this series become Kamidori?

>>377275689
>Implying Pair up is not a cancer
>Implying support attacks are not cancer

>>377274982
How does Odin not have much of a start? Every unit (other than Mozu) can contribute to the turn counts I listed before in an efficient manner. His base stats and tonics and the things he brings lets him easily reach level 11 by the end of chapter 10, and unlike Effie (who also doesn't need to early promote) or Nyx, he won't need to ever early promote since he can still make use of Nosferatu in chapters 11, 12, 14, and 16 and has enough bulk and speed on average to survive doubling the knights and other parts of Takumi's side of the map with proper dual guard use.

>You spend resources to get Odin up to par
Leo will only want one spirit dust depending on RNG. Otherwise no other unit really wants them since a +mag Corrin will have enough magic. And Odin and Leo both may not even need the speed wing thanks to Azura's dance or horse spirit. If I'm spending resources to get a Leo with more hit, move, and bulk, how is that a warped idea of payoff?

>Leo also gets Outlaw through Nyx or if you really need it before chapter 17, Niles
This requires child paralogues in Leo's case to do, and he is at a high risk of not reaching the strength benchmark to double Master Ninja. Reclassing him after chapter 17 is a bad idea since there's no spot he'll be able to really effectively contribute as an E rank bow user since he'd need to gain two levels. This is why Odin has an advantage since he can A support Niles by the end of chapter 10 and kill the Ninja in chapter 17.

>>377264014
>Maps are mostly wide open spaces. Battles have a bigger focus on terrain since terrain bonuses are huge in this game. Magic however ignores those bonuses. So you want to use your mages for dealing with assholes on forests or graves.

So RNG: The game.

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>>377269621
>Implying you'll be able to get 6 skills easily for everyone let alone more than a few characters without buying skills
>Implying Leo, Elise, Sakura, and Rev!Hayato are shit
>Implying bows are shit when Attack Stance makes them more useful, and have access to the Mini Bows, Sidelong Yumi, and Shining Bow
>Implying you'll be able to reach +7 Iron with in a non-grind playthrough
Wow nice arguments.

>>377273635
>Felica and Nyx
>Bow users
>When they have as high as 20-25% str growth rate
Anon are you okay?

>>377275939
Yes. Just like every other Fire Emblem before it.

>>377275613
I'll take this bait.

Echoes hasn't done well in Japan. Looks like it won't do well in the rest of the world because people got weaned on Fates, now.

Switch is just gonna be even more egregious waifushit at the cost of other fun and FE will probably die as we know it.

I guess there's always hacks.

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Remake when?

>>377275902
That's from the shitty gatcha. But who knows, maybe it'll make it into the Switch title

>>377275681
>He thinks this means the gameplay is far beyond Gaiden

>>377275914
Fates pair-up is one of the best mechanics they introduced to the series. Of course it could use some balancing, but a lot of things in this series needs balancing.

best party members/units?

>>377276009
But FE already died with Awakening

>>377275940
>Talk about the Shining bow
>Talk against people with high MAG growth from being bow users
Anon.....

>>377276046
After the Genealogy+Thracia and the Binding+Blazing remakes

>>377271828
Not only is she a cuck, she cucks her husband because it's obvious to everyone she's still in love with Alm.

>>377272578
I'd believe it, she's kind of yandere sometimes.

>>377275994
But even more so since the "difficulty" comes from playing around retarded avoid bonuses.

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>>377275902
Well, there was a set of weapons (and one personal skill) in Fates that caused enemies clothes to explode off.

>>377276148
>wasting 2 arms scroll when Nina can do that job just fine right off the bat.
Anon...

>>377276137
Explain Echoes then

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>>377276131

>>377276009
I'm not entirely sure that they made this game to see which type is more popular. As long as it makes money they should continue with remakes at least.

>>377275367
Yes, Conquest has much better gameplay than fucking Gaiden.

/v/ is biting it's nose to spite its face on this one. I know it's popular to think everything about Awakening and Fates is bad because it's low hanging fruit, but Gaiden's map design is fucking abhorrent.

>>377275032
No, no, no. SONYA!!!!! FUCK THIS.

Is becoming a fucking witch mutation? Or is that unknown region cursed or something?

>>377275940
>Anon are you okay?
You do know that bows have x3 damage against flying units right? You do know that the shining bow exists and that they both have high magic and speed right? You do know that bow knight/Adventurer give a much needed speed boost in Conquest right?

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>>377259374
>>377259972
>(If Gray is dead)
>"Oh, Gray. To tell the truth, I was going to let you win..." Alone, she lived on in regret for the late Gray."

So Clair would of chosen Gray regardless
Just only admits it in her single ending
At least she doesn't have an end like Faye

>>377275939
>>377275994
Much worse than any other Fire Emblem game. Hit rates are low across the board and magic hit rates are fixed. This means actually getting a 100% hit rate is very rare. Then you get shit like bows which rarely have hit rates above 80. Enemies are also bulky to compensate for a lack of anything else on the map, so crits are the best way to clear enemies in a timely manner. It reaches the point where any attack that isn't a crit is a waste of time. This is why Exaclibur is the only spell that isn't Seraphim that matters.

>>377276331
Again
>Wasting 2 arms scrolls when Nina can just do the job just fine without needing any.

>>377275032
Man, the devs REALLY didn't like Sonya, did they? Not only did they nerf her but they shit all over her even if you choose her.

>>377276009
Echoes has done fine for being a remake of a black sheep FE game.

What you said has nothing to do with its gameplay, which isn't great.

>>377276241
A miracle which won't happen again

>>377276131
I'm not that far in but on Alm's side, the loli is a fucking beast and like 10 points ahead in stats from the second best which is a tie between Kliff and Alm. On Celicas side Mae's the strongest in terms of attack, and Kamui is getting pretty good too

>>377276318
you fags from /feg/ are just too far up your own ass to think that everyone plays FE games for the same reason.
FE 8 and 9 are some of the most popular ones here, and gaiden is just much more similar to those.

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>>377276398
>He doesn't know about Ragnarok

>>377276228
Nina doesn't start with C bows depending on when you recruit her. You also won't need two arms scrolls since they can build bow exp through attack stance and killing fliers.

And why not give them the arms scroll? No other unit in the game really needs it. You don't need beast killer camilla when she still gets by just fine in chapter 19 with a bronze axe and Xander can just go wyvern lord instead.

>>377276009
Really though, is 131,668 that bad at all for a 3DS title? I know Fates sold twice that but still.

>>377276009
FE died with Awakening and FUCKING GAIDEN OF ALL GAMES wasn't the game to test whether or not people still like the non-3DS style. That's like testing whether someone likes fruit by feeding them a tomato.

>>377276521
Didn't know these two are siblings, surprise surprise. Cute Fang Girl and Pretty Boy are siblings, how nice.

>>377276513
Sacred Stones is popular here?

>>377276539
It almost certainly made back the investment on the game but it's not saying a lot if it doesn't compare much to Fates

>>377276249
>>377276521
When do i obtain this loli?

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>>377276169
interesting to see the obsessed girl fail and the bad result of it

>>377276571
But tomato is a fruit anon

>>377276539
It's bad. It might not be super bad since game sales in Japan are dropping in general, but after how successful Heros, Fates, and Awakening were, Echoes selling worse than the DS games in Japan isn't a good sign. It should have broken 200k sales.

>>377276591
I haven't heard too many bad words about it, and it has some of the best characters.

>>377276609
After the last map in chapter 3 on Alm's side.
She's an enemy first so you gotta make sure you don't kill her.

>>377276536
Oh yeah building up Bow rank when they're hitting 0-2 damage per attack, I'm sure that will fare well.

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>>377265265
>he has 21 def for me as a lvl 6 myrm