The Surge is not a Darksouls game. In the same way how C&C

>>377239737
not comparing games to similar entries in the genre is a quick way to fuck yourself over when you're explaining the game to another person

on that token, your character plays slower and hits look less effective visually than any other modern action rpg i like, including fucking monster hunter

this game has not enticed my dollar. don't challenge people to talk themselves out of buying it, just shill it to them like a normal marketer

it really isnt a soulsgame

>>377239737
it's short :(

i wish everyone was enlightened like me and just knew it was a bad game by instinct

Surge was mismarketed. I think this game would appeal to the cawadoody crowd more than the weeaboo crowd.

>>377239737
>The Surge is not a Darksouls game.
This. I pirated the game and I don't like it, too fucking boring but god damn people just need to stop comparing it to souls when it's nothing like it. In an earlier thread someone said that Souls was the game that added lock-on, difficulty, and map shortcuts into one bundle and I honest to god believe everyone comparing it to souls because of this is underaged as fuck.

>>377240760
95% of its mechanics and features are ripped straight out of souls. it's a fucking clone.

when did /v/ get so fucking stupid? is it post-tortanic? post-gamergate?

It's a souls clone you fucks

>>377241032
>souls invented lock-on
>souls invented hard hitting enemies
>souls invented inventory
>souls invented leveling up
>souls invented map short cuts
>souls invented healing items
>souls invented equipping items
>souls invented bosses
>souls invented video games
dumb fuck, the only thing I see that might be a rip off to souls is getting your scraps/exp/soul back from your dead location but even then I'm not sure if souls invented that.

It's LITERALLY a souls clone. And everyone disagreeing is a soulsdrone fucktard.

The aesthetic is boring and the combat doesn't look fun. Why is it so melee focused? It's dumb. You're dumb.

>>377240568
>STOP HAVING FUN!

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>the surge is not a dark souls game
>but bloodborne is
>"'"soulsborne"""

this board is a fucking joke i swear

>>377241202
>hurr if I break it down to its most basic elements and isolate them from each other it's like nothing is new
it's the combination, arraying and interaction of these elements that make up the final product and THAT'S what deck13 is reproducing.

you are so fucking dumb holy shit.

>>377241228
I am a soulsdrone fucktard and I think surge is great. it IS a fucking clone and that's a good thing.

just like so many classic shooters are straight up doom clones, called doom-likes at the time. some games are good enough to spawn entire new genres.

>>377241584
souls is not the first game to have those in combination either you stupid piece of underaged shit. please kill yourself.

>hurr its a souls clone
>has quicksave/load on pc

>>377241647
name one

>>377241751
severance

So can anyone list pros and cons of this game?

>>377241781
now name one popular enough to become synonymous to its own genre, like WoW or kleenex

if you deny WoW clones exist i'm gonna call the cops because you are too retarded to walk among other citizens

>>377239737
>The Surge is not a Darksouls game
It isn't, but it is a Souls clone and any comparisons are completely justified.

I'm enjoying the game but you're fucking delusional if you don't see the similarities.

>>377242180
>moving le goalposts cause you were proven wrong within seconds
No thanks faggot, there are much more though. Learn how to google or stop being an underaged fuck.

>>377242153
pro
looks nice
neat mechanics
con
small amount of bosses.
Leveling doesnt increase stats.

>>377240252
>first post answers the question
>nobody even glances at it
>retards going "it's a souls clone...kek" or "no it's not lmaowtfbbq" are 99% of the thread's replies
/v/

>>377239737
>smt
>not pokemon
But it is

>>377242406
You don't need to reply to every post you read anon, this isn't fucking Reddit, (You)s are not upvotes.

>Trying to explain what DaS is
>It's like Zelda OoT but dying is a gimmick.
There, Souls are ZeldaOcarinaofatime-esque

>>377242259
wasn't that anon, just corrected his challenge

the game that makes it into the mainstream is the one with clones, period. WoW clones, metroodvanias, CoD killers, and souls clones. prove me wrong.

>>377242634
Yeah they are, or else OP wouldn't have bothered.

>>377242673
>the game that makes it into the mainstream is the one with clones, period. WoW clones, metroodvanias, CoD killers, and souls clones. prove me wrong.
Which is why people call first person shooters Doom clones. Oh wait, they don't any more.
Kill yourself you fucking moron

@377242673
>severance was made years before souls was even a concept
>it's the clone because souls is popular
not even gonna reply properly, end yourself

>>377242981
the mainstream changes my dude
make the surge 2 a hit and maybe we'll stop comparing it to its betters

>>377242983
i'll toss you an easy bone, then
name a good MMO that came out before WoW and tell me why WoW is the standard setter instead

>>377243189
>mainstream changes my dude
Yeah. It takes them a long time to realize that calling something a clone of a popular game due to some similarities is fucking retarded.

>>377243389
Everquest
It had Warcraft in the name

>>377243414
calling something a clone of an already successful work for trying to literally copy the formula for free money is a valid accusation and, since you knew Doom had clones, has been a valid accusation since the beginning.

there were literally atari competitors trying to "make" new games by putting a themed cover on the TV and running pong. are those not clones?

let go of your anger and quit making bait OPs

>>377240568
fucking this. i've had this "trait" since i was younger with SNES and N64/PS1

no matter what anyone tells you, you aren't wrong

>>377243679
correct
incorrect, you have a free retry

That ending was fucking stupid. At least the final boss was ok, but if you ever played Lord of the Fallen's DLC I'd have 0 hope for The Surge's DLC

>>377241781
Doesnt involve picking stuff up from your corpse after you die. It also consists of a set of levels rather than one world you explore. You dont customize your character in any way besides picking one at the start and then changing weapons. I bet you knew all that but still banked on the fact that nobody actually played Severance, they just namedrop it.

>>377239737
I bought it and I'm enjoying it.

>>377240568
>>377244075
Well no shit you dumb niggers, if you write a game off and never play it you'll never challenge your perception of the game.

I have a pretty good sense about this shit too but I've picked up games I wasn't interested in before and been completely blown away. More importantly I'm not going to sit here and pat myself on the back for being closed minded.

>>377244281
>Doesnt involve picking stuff up from your corpse after you die
I know, I mentioned that it's probably the most unique mechanic that souls invented.
>set of levels rather than explore
No different than fast traveling in souls or taking an elevator to a new part of the world (basically a loading screen).
>character customization
Who cares? Souls didn't invent that and it's a rather small point in the comparison I'm making.
So you had to grasp at 2 small straws in order to try and be superior thinking that any action rpg type game is a souls clone, congrats.

If its in the same genre thats already set a standard then surely its fair to judge against thge top standard

>>377239737
The Surge is hot garbo, fagola

Bad designs.
Clunky looking gear and weaponry.
Horrible, unfitting theme for the playstyle it sought out.
Bad company handling.
kek balance
"Nobody liked a preset main character last time. Let's do it again!"

It just aint my thing.

>>377244950
>you aren't challenging your perception of a game when everything but haven and hearth has nearly a full deconstruction on every single aspect of the game on youtube
>you HAVE to BUY it and play it or you're RONG
value your money more, anon. if a game can't sell itself to you from its promotional material or your friends, you would be right in giving it a miss.

>>377245330
Well those two dumbasses were off on some tangent about how they have a special spider sense for bad games that never fails them. Kinda different than being able to look at this developers track record with derivative garbage and assume from all the available facts that this is more derivative garbage.

>>377244950
stop trying to justify your purchases, man. it's completely okay to spend money on games. you just get suckered into them

>>377241202
>>souls invented lock-on
you sure are newfag underage af

>>377242401
>Leveling doesnt increase stats.
Some implants scale with your core power.

>>377245662
Souls invented video games, dipshit. Holy shit git gud

>>377245523
This game looks awful and I won't be buying it based on the developer, gameplay, screenshots etc.

Again, you were arguing that you have some special sixth sense for bad games because it's never failed you. How could it fail you if you decide the game is garbage based on your mutant powers of intuition and never play it?

>>377245094
Basically every good post in this thread in one sentence. Crying about an action rpg being compared to the most popular one available is fruitless.
OP asking people to defend their sentiments with a handicap, rather than trying to explain in any capacity why his are better, is a garbage idea.
More garbage than this game.

>it's scifi therefore it's not a souls clone, the argument

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>>377241403
do you understand the stark differences between The Surge and souls games?

The differences between Bloodborne and Souls games are meagre in comparison

>>377239737
hey deck13, don't send your interns here for marketing, okay?

>>377245508
Yeah the way they worded it makes it sound like they only have to see the cover.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt here because I didn't drink my piss in the afternoon thinking I had just made lemonade in the toilet.

>>377239737
>Unreal is not Quake

THANK YOU. QUAKE IS KING

>>377243414
>game A comes out
>becomes popular
>game B gets released with a lot of similarities to game A
>it is called a game A clone because of this

That's it. That's the only reason things get called clones of other things, because the most recent and well known example is the basis for what comes after it. And when Game A has a franchise with a now apparent formula, things with the same or similar formula will definitely, undoubtedly, be considered clones of it.

>>377245978
well if you could bother to explain them instead of going off and bitching about DUH SOULSFAGS at 90 mph that'd be great

all the gameplay i've seen says it tries the meat of the souls formula but worse, like LotF does. not gonna bother to seek out its nuances.

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>>377246470

>>377245832
because i'm not a shit-eating faggot who falls for companies' ploys, retard. get some general sense in you

>>377246531
he gets me

>>377246639
Good lord you're a fucking moron.

>>377239737
Dark Souls and all it's mangled copy-cat offspring are shit.

Shit combat

>>377239737
>Explain why you don't like it wo comparing it to dark souls.

the game is marketed as a Souls like, the complaints are legit.

>>377239737
Shut the fuck up you retarded cocksucker

You don't get to just steal everything from another series repaint it and call it your own. Glad this shit isn't gonna sell a dozen copies

>>377239737
Watched a stream and some dude beat it in one day. With farming
Really made me meh

>>377242981
Yeah they don't anymore because the genre of first person shooters has very little to do with Doom now. But you're fucking lying if you're going to go ahead and say Depth Dwellers entire existence is anything except to be a clone of Doom.

Is there some kind of homeward bone in this game? I got stuck in some small area and it's impossible to get out.

>>377239737
Pokemon ripped off SMT, actually

>>377241202
That's been around at least since Diablo. So before any of you were born.

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>Old enough to recall the internet fighting over if X or Y was a Doom clone
>mfw seeing kiddies do it again with Souls

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>>377239737
The one bonfire per area is fucking stupid because it restricts the level design to:
>explore ground level then loop around back to bonfire
>explore above ground level 1 then loop back to bonfire
>explore underground level then loop back to bonfire
>explore above ground level 2 then loop back to bonfire
>explore last area and fight the boss

Now you might say that making shortcuts back to the bonfire is 'smart', and I agree if used sparingly, but it feels boring when you experience it multiple times per zone. It doesn't help that everything is either industrial or industrial ruins.

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Has anyone else been getting this strange, bright-blue glow effect on some of the particles?

>>377254190
Update your AMD driver to the latest one.

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What is the best weapon type and why is it single rigs?

>>377239737
you won shill dude i'm downloading it right now

>recommended RAM: 16GB
Are devs getting lazy or is that considered reasonable these days? Even The Witcher III didn't have this high recommended specs.

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>>377244950
>if you write a game off and never play it you'll never challenge your perception of the game.
I wish I had done this with Lords of the Fallen and actually looked at reviews before wasting 60 fucking dollaroonies in such a horrible fucking game.
I've watched gameplay of this and it looks the exact same, down to the ripped out animations. Aside from very few minor improvements, the game looks exactly like LotF, and has even worse level design somehow. Not to mention how it's literally artificial difficulty, where enemies do like half of your health in a single hit, and armor doesn't matter.
I'm so sick of people trying to shill this game and convince people that it's actually really good when it's really not. LotF made Dark Souls 2 look like a fucking masterpiece in comparison, and this is no different.

>>377239737
No coop no invasions no buy.
Fuck off.

Because Dark Souls' gameplay isnt really that great anyway, but it makes up for it with great level design and extra fluff.

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>>377247735
Keep crying. You'll get over your disorder eventually

>>377254405
DEX > STR in this game. You can stagger enemies with the fastest/lightest weapon (twin rigged). And stability isn't worth it on the heavier exo-suits because you don't want to be taking any hits in the first place since defense barely matters when you die in 2-3 hits either way.

Very unappealing environments, exo skeletons are the gayest and by far the ugliest future armor ever invented and the main character could've been an interesting robot but instead we get an angry cripple. Also lmao five bosses.

>>377239737
>Explain why you don't like it wo comparing it to dark souls.

It's western. The west has never made a good game. Japan is the only country that makes good games.

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>>377253945
>the death screen is just black with big red "you died" words in the middle

Holy shit they couldn't even be bothered to come up with anything else? Maybe some kind of quick shutdown sequence or weird graphical effects or something? Anything?

>>377255313
The MC is not a cyborg. His eyes are working normally, he was just paraplegic.

>>377244950
>housemate says he wants to buy a game for the WiiU
>look it up
>it's mario party-esque shovelware wagglan trash
>plead with him not to buy it
>screw you anon don't tell me what to do with my money
>buys it
>forces me into playing it with him and some friends to try it out
>it's exactly what I told him
>he realizes this after a couple nights and never plays it again

sometimes it's good to listen to your bullshit meter

>>377255614
It's not like flashing no vital signs over the eyes of a man with no vital signs makes anymore sense

>>377255313
I miss when main characters exploded if they died

>>377255614
Fuck that's even lamer than I thought. They could have expanded gameplay options with a full cyberkinetics upgrade system. Upgraded targeting that can locate enemy weakspots, new combo unlocks by upgrading the frame and joints of your suit, etc. But that would have taken time and energy so fuck it I guess.

>Souls-like =/= Dark Souls
>Metriodvania =/= Metroid or Castlevania
And?

>>377256049
There are implants that get embedded into your skull so I don't know what he's talking about

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>>377239737
>The Surge is not a Darksouls game
>Explain why you don't like it
It is the same type of game, though, and I do like it.
Also, fuck you.

>>377256049
They have implants that you slot into your exo-suit to do stuff like more health, more stamina, more energy, see enemy health bars, gain % health when using a finisher, etc. Leveling up gives you more slots at set levels.

>>377239737
Pokemon is SMT, not the other way around, Atlus was years ahead you fucking retard.

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>>377256049
>Upgraded targeting that can locate enemy weakspots
But you can do that from the start. Unarmored and armored.

>new combo unlocks
No, no, no. It can't even handle the combos it already has.

>so fuck it
Fuck you.

>>377254371
I can't find it, are you sure there's one?

>>377256550
17.5.1.

>>377256274
>see enemy health bars

This being an implant on not default is one of the few peeves I have with this game.

>>377256817
Probably because Nier Automata did it.

>>377256935
You are fucking retarded

Anyone know what the "hardcore" kill for the final boss is yet? I want me them blades of the gestalt.

What's the plot of this game?

>>377257739
nanomachines, son.

>>377239737
It's a lazy game. I'm in the second area, where I've been up to the boss. So far there's no plot to speak of, and no lore too.
The gear I sport is the lynx set, and the only alternative I've seen is the rhino set. These two are the basic gear sets, and there's no reason to mix them together. I got a few weapons, but it's the basic ones, and the proficiency system doesn't encourage me to use anything else than my trusty one-handed saw blade. I've seen no alternatives, nothing that I could craft, no rare components to make anything different, no special things to unlock somehow.
The drone's only real use I've seen for now is making sure you fight enemies one by one. Couldn't even give me an implant to make it do something else since that's apparently a thing in the game ?
The combat system is great in itself, but there's no reason to use it fully because you only encounter a few enemy types, and right now I can just kill all the humans by spamming regular attacks. I haven't tried to kill the robots after getting rekt by them but I'm making enough scraps on my own to not be concerned by fighting everything in my path.
The shortcuts are fine and unlocking them feels good, but the level design is bland and repetitive, and sometimes doesn't make sense.

It could be a decent action game, but it doesn't try to be one. It's like the developers don't want the players to have fun. Or that they try to ride the souls train by marketing The Surge as being in the same style when it's in fact a piss-poor copy of the formula.

>>377255021
Stability affects your blocking ability too. With highest stability, I could block heavy weapons and counter easily. Some attacks are always unblockable though.

>the duck+counter stun works on all robots
Makes them easy to kill

>>377257739
A clone of Black Ops III. Computer virus turning people insane.

>>377258085
There are multiple upgrades for the drone. I found shield, cyro slow, ram (which knocks over any enemy in the game) and the standard laser

>>377258085
>spamming r1 beats everything
>robots are cheap because r1 spam doesnt work
Kek. R1 isnt your "fast" strike, its one of your slowest attacks.

>>377257182
Are you saying it's not?

>>377239737
No character creation.
No multi-player.

Woah. If you press start while during a slow mo kill it pauses the game and gives you camera controls.

>>377259290
That would be neat if my character didn't look ugly as fuck.

What's the best weapon type to focus on? I know it's going to be a quick weapon but I don't know which. I've just been sticking with the sword/saw right now.

>>377258085
It's Deck 13, those dudes only make cheap shovelware.

>>377259437
Get yourself some MG or proteus gear. I like how they look.

>>377259475
I fell into a nice comfortable zone with heavy single rigged weapons like the pax blade and legionnaire. Lots of staggering power and energy gain without the shitty downsides a hammer has.

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>>377259475

Grab the Firebug Throttle 2.0 by destroying all of the second boss's arms and never look back.

>>377259475
Going staff on my build, seem pretty fun, gonna switch to light gear also, heavy build fucking sucks

I've been playing a few hours, and I've come to realize that I'm not sure how to dismember legs so I can get leg armor. I can't target legs, so how do I remove them to get new leg armor?

>>377261414
You can always target the human's head and limbs, keep scrolling. You need to build up enough energy and do sufficient damage to that limb as well.

I don't know why people are saying the big weaps suck, the hammer I found is pretty good

>>377262552
That swing time is cripplingly bad for me since you can't build to take hits and can't heal when attacking. The damage isn't even that good compared to a heavy single rigged weapon. The higher energy gain and impact is not worth it imo. Better off with a pax/legionary if you are going heavier weapons.

>>377262902
Use your dash attack to open up enemies, hit a weakpoint to stagger them then target areas you want to break while they stumble. Hitting only one limb in a combo is counter-intuitive

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>Tell people it's going to be terrible
>No one listens to me
>It's terrible
>People crying that it's terrible

>>377264205
40 hours in, its pretty good. Its better than a played out sequel.

>>377244075
>thinks his taste is a "trait"
>thinks his "trait" is something that is objective that can and should be passed on to everyone
Retard alert.

Few bosses
No magic
No armor that doesn't look like junk until NG+

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Literally The Surge "armor set"

>>377265092
Have you seen the shit people will swallow nowadays?

Do you get special items for killing bosses in particular ways like LOTF?

>>377239737
The story is trash, the art direction is awful and the combat is repetetive.

There is no character creation but a fixed protagonist and he has the charisma of a moldy potato. Actually, that goes for every character in this game.

The combat gets old really fast.
Fighting humans is fun at first but once you've seen the basic weapon types there's nothing really new.
Robots are just trash because they only have one hitbox.
Bosses are just damage sponges and their attacks are easy to avoid.

After you enter main complex the repetition starts to really sink in. There is little actual variety in the locations and there's many cramped spaces which makes fighting tedious.
It doesn't make the combat more intense, it just makes you fight against the camera.

The finishing moves are basically just quick-time events like in Deus Ex. Basically press E to execute. It's really awkward having to hold the execution button down for a second.

There's an option to display lore text ingame but it's literally just additonal text like "this is an imergency exit" when you walk close to a door. That's how bland this game is.

There's just nothing that engages you in terms of story, atmosphere, characters or background.
It almost feels like playing a tech demo.

It looks like they've learned nothing after Lords of the Fallen.

I played for around 5 hours, uninstalled and refunded it.

>>377266052
Yes.

>>377244950
/pol/ really is invading, just keeps getting worse and worse

>>377240760
Well, except for the fact that the developers literally said they wanted to make a game like dark souls, and they already tried before with Lords of the fallen.
And I'm sure they'll try a third time.

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>>377240568
>tfw have this trait too

>>377266227
What do you get if you dont cut off all the legs off firebug?

>>377266062
How can you refund when you played for 5 hours?

>try to cut off all the firebug legs for his special weapon
>it dies before I can do that

Fuck. Guess I'm not getting that weapon ever. So whats a good weapon to use? I found this red glowing energy weapon thing I've been using for a while.

>>377254504
I'm running it with 8 and I get no performance issues on maxed settings.

>>377266392
Doing the hardcore kill nets you the v2 of the boss weapon which just means it's undamaged and has a special effect like a shockwave for PAX vertical heavy and fire damage at the end of combos for Firebug.

>>377239737
That's a bad comparison. Souls games are unique in their approach to storytelling, atmosphere, and combat. They're in their own category. Starcraft is not, it's an RTS.

>>377239737
i just think a sci fi game with melee weapons is silly

Wheres this guys fucking drugs? tired of hearing him bitch

>>377241403
Bloodborne is made by the people who made Dark Souls, you know that right?

>>377266434
Germany

>>377266806
Definitely not in the 2nd area. Might be in the 3rd since it's biolabs.

I've played it for about an hour so far, no major complaints yet.

I've completed demon's souls but never tried the dark souls trilogy or bloodborne. Or nioh, or lords of the fallen. Not aware of any other games that might fit the same vague subgenre.

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I wish Souls games had that homing baseball slide slash that you can do from 20+ feet away with single rigged weapons.

Why do people look so highly upon Quake? Is it just because of the bunny hopping? I mean I'm sure it was great in multiplayer but the single player is inferior to Doom because the stages and enemies are dead boring. The bunny hopping makes the stages slightly less boring but they weren't designed around it so it isn't even always useful. Quake II is the better singleplayer game in my eyes because while they removed the bunnyhopping(and the melee weapon those FUCKING IDIOTS) it ends up being more solid mostly because it rips off doom even harder than Quake did. It's literally just a really ugly Doom with different weapons and 3D graphics, and I'm okay with that.

>>377266943
I wish souls had absolutely no fall damage when you attack off a ledge so i can just speedrun through the game like fucking sonic.

>enemies have grenade launchers and flamethrowers
>can't get those

Well, that sucks balls. Game's pretty good otherwise once you learn that enemies are all essentially minibosses in this game because they can all 1-3 shot you. Does anyone know how to tell what a full armor set bonus does though? I see the icon for it on my screen but no way to check as to what it actually does.

The only one I figured out so far was the elite hazmat armor lets you walk through poison gas without dying.

>>377267459
>enemies are all essentially minibosses in this game because they can all 1-3 shot you
That's called artificial difficulty.

You can find what a set bonus does in the Specs tab.

>>377266806
It's in the greenhouse areas. I think you need the drone core but I can't remember.

>>377267740

Shit, he ran off in my game, guess if you don't find his drugs he fucks off once you get to a certain point.

>>377268204
Don't sweat it. You don't get anything great out of the deal anyway.

>>377239737
Yeah souls games control better, more precise and doesn't rely entirely on blindsided ambushes for difficulty.

In an interview the lead director said that at first they considered making it an indian fantasy setting but came to the conclusion they know too little about indian mythology.

What a joke of a company.
Literally just throwing out random ideas with souls-gameplay shoved into it.

I'm pretty sure their design discussion went like this:

>What do we do?
>Future souls with robots
>Fallout 4 had this cool power suit you could customize
>cool, what else?
>lets make it an exeskeleton like in Elysium that goes into the flesh through clothing for no reason
>nice nice
>in dead space you need to cut of your enemies limbs
>go on
>in dark souls cutting off tails gives you weapons
>what about the story?
>some shit about terrorists and evil companies destroying the environment

>>377268204
>>377268316
The only person that actually rewards you for helping them the first time is that black guy that you needed to juice. Fucking shitty NPCs.

>>377269138
>lets make it an exeskeleton like in Elysium that goes into the flesh through clothing for no reason
I'm surprised they don't eventually die from infection.

>>377269278
Or contract tetanus from getting hit with rusty shit all day.

>>377268316

What do you get if you find it?

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>reach level 2
>get my shitty drone
>get Dave and Hobbs
>meet two nice gentlemen with fancy armor and staves
>tazed
>killed in two hits

>decide to avoid those two and head to recycling
>hammer bros can shoot things at you
>you can't shoot things at them
>double pokes around every god damn corner
>double pokes who do tremendous amounts of damage
>when you yourself can't do dick with their weapons

t-thanks

>>377270305

Block the twin rigged weapons. It completely fucks their day.

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>>377270538
I was convinced blocking was completely worthless in this game, but I'll try that; thanks.

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Has anyone here managed to kill the third boss without destroying the limbs? What's the difference between the normal Spitfire Rod and the 2.0 version you get from the Hardcore kill?

>>377270875

Blocking actually fucks up a lot of enemies. Staff guys (not their low sweep move though), one handed weapon guys, twin rig guys, all get fucked pretty hard by blocking. Dunno about hammer or huge weapon guys though, never tried it on them.

>>377242406
it didnt answer the question since its just full of blatant lies

>>377271021
I'm using PAX 2.0 which hits like a damn truck, so this'll be good I wager.

So Proficiency. What exactly does it do?

>>377271246

Yeah, a lot of people are using the regular PAX. But honestly all of the weapons seem alright so far.

>>377271393
PAX 2.0 is the one you get for not cheesing him with missles; I'm really liking the slower weapons and the basic piston.

>at the 4th map
>still rolling with that 1h chainsaw sword

i mean, the other weapons just seem worse

anyone else have shit performance on PC?
i7-6700 and gtx 1070 and the only setting I can play on Very High is Textures. the rest need to be set to High and I still get stutters even then

>>377271807
6700k + 1070 here

its on max settings for me with 1.5DSR from 1080p and only dropped once to like 55fps in the biolabs area with tons of smoke or what on the 3rd map

>>377242401
>Leveling doesn't increase stats.

Isn't that actually awesome though? One of the biggest issues with Souls is how grindable it is.

>>377242672
That's way more accurate than you're implying. Souls is hugely Zelda inspired and people acting like the series have barely anything in common don't know what they are talking about.

Just tried it and it's sluggish as shit. I don't think it's going to wow anyone.

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Anyone else had problems with the game detecting their controller? For some reason it wont let me switch to gamepad mode.

>>377271938
like everything on max? and all settings turned on? I'm wondering if there's a setting I'm supposed to turn off because it eats FPS.
did you buy it or pirate?

>>377273046

You mean when the game loads? Yeah, there's an issue where if it detects M+KB first it won't detect the controller. Just mash buttons as the game is first loading and it should work.

>>377273164
You can turn down volumetric lightning as that hits your frames hard.

>>377246469
"Souls clone" is very much a meaningful term since Souls pioneered a very specific set of conventions that other games are deliberately taking after.

>Acton adventure game with RPG elements
>Focuses on 3rd person combat with lock-on
>Has an 'always on' system where you can't pause and instead the game is a stream of continuous, otherwise unbroken action punctuated by rest/reset/level-up points (which is the key element that allows a game to be Souls-like as the other things after this rely on it and each other to work and make sense)
>Game saves automatically and continuously, with the expectation that the player is working with a single file and that every action and decision the make has (semi)-permanent consequences that won't be save-scummed
>Death results not in a reload, but partially restores the environment of threats and otherwise has your actions and what you have collected continue through death, leaving a mark where you died to incentivize you to actually return to where you failed to restore the exp that you otherwise lose temporally.
>Has integrated "multiplayer on top on single player", allowing messages, invasions and co-operative play without a special multiplayer mode separate from the main game.

This is unique and constitutes meaningful sub-genre.

>>377271691
Level them and their proficiency up?

Of course the thing that has been upgraded is going to be better than something you find later, lmao.

So is there any in-game reason for your character dying and resurrecting and having to go collect their scrap?

>>377273559
I'd also add the heavy focus on managing your stamina, which both drains and refills relatively quickly, but running out of it can doom you in an instant.

>>377274038
Lol no, they didn't think that deeply about it. It's just what Souls does so they do it too

>>377274038
A drone carries your body back to the repair station, but it can't carry the scrap because it's too heavy.

>>377239737
I tried to give this a chance but its fucking terrible.

I can't believe it. Deck 13 are a bunch of hacks who couldn't make a good game to save their lives.

>>377271807
Something off with your PC. 1070 and i5 4570 here and it runs at 60 fps at all times in 1080p and every setting on very high including the volumetric lighting.

>>377273164
yes everything on max
legit version

Am I missing something or do they really only give you one leg and one arm at the beginning?

>>377242519
Japan love their "catching things and use them to fight" games. SMT predate pokemon too

SMT protags are usually the strongest unit though, not the demons

>>377276172
>>377276392
shieet could a bad hdd cause this shit? I'm noticing very slow boot times recently and programs open real slow like chrome for example.

Can you find maddy the second time? If so where at. Hope she's alive.

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>>377276008
The drone at the beginning of the game is dragging you to disposal, not to a repair station. >>377253945 shows that your exo-suit reports no vital signs, meaning you're dead because you're just a disabled man strapped with a suit made of metal. There is no "repairing".

>>377276519
i dont know man
i havent played a game running from my HDD for like 3 years now

>>377276405
That's how it is, you gotta cut off parts for the rest.

>Twin rigs
Acceptable, but needlessly flashy. Not as good as you think they are.
>Staff
Shit moveset, basically pointless.
>One handed
If you like twin rigs but hate dealing damage
>Heavy duty
Passable, but too slow for most situations.
>Single rigs
Perfectly blend of speed and power without any noticeable weakness. The only choice for any upstanding citizen.

>LYNX Rig
Attack real fast
>Every other Rig
LMAO get out.

>>377276872
>every other rig

See, I was about lynx fan too. I didn't think the gorgon set bonus was very impressive compared to attack speed but after using it for a while I can safely say it's a fucking awesome set. As far as I'm concerned it's lynx early game then gorgon for the rest.

>>377276872
The suit that gives you elemental resist is decent for some areas.

Did you know that you can favourite weapons and then swap between them? G is the default hotkey, you favourite weapons in the equipment menu.

OK who's beaten it?

How long must I suffer? I've gotten to the first boss (PAX Robot?) and died to it twice.

I'm really digging the "PRESS DOWN TO USE YOUR FLASHLIGHT" OH WAIT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BODY ARMOR RETARD.

>>377276872
too bad the gorgon set is ugly as shit. I'm actually playing with no armor on because I find them either too bulky or just plain goddamn uggo. I make up for it by having 8 of those +hp implants equpped.

>>377277168
The ride never ends my friend. But honestly once you get pax's weapon it's not as frustrating aside from bosses. Don't forget to not let his missiles hit him for the v2 weapon. Make sure your using a full lynx set for that sweet attack speed bonus, armor is worthless and early heavy rigs are hot garbage

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>>377277168
The first boss is complete bullshit, I had two encounters where it after it went down my attacks would just go through its hitbox.

Buggy shit, least the other bosses work.

>>377277316
Great, cause I picked Rhino.

I shouldn't be surprised that they switched it up, since Armor was OP as fuck in Lords of the Fallen.

>don't let his missiles hit him

So how the fuck are you supposed to damage him?

Downloading it now.
If it were a Souls game, where would it rank on the hierarchy? Is it at least better than DS2?

Here's what I think so far fags:

The first level is very well designed

Still going through the second one, but it's great so far with neat characters and quests

I'm really digging how the game actually grows the souls formula, by adding a lot of new mechanics

It's very good

What I also like is that this is more like dark souls 1 in design than dark souls 2 or 3

Can someone explain what exactly makes this game any worse than the souls games?
Except for the less interesting world of course

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>Turn corner.
>RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH

>>377277492
Once you destroy all the armour covering his legs and he does the stomping move, attack his other leg to knock him off balance.

>>377277539
I'm sure it's better than all of them in some aspects

Dark souls 1 is a classic game but broken, dark souls 2 is bad while dark souls 3 made me feel nothing

Such a letdown

Surge ain't a classic like dark souls 1, but it's definitely not a bad souls game

>>377241647
Neither was doom and they were still all doom clones. Popular wins over correct all most of the time.

>>377277492
Get the orange bar full, then when he's trying to stomp you while under him hit the leg he's standing on to topple him. And yeah, the rhino is absolutely horrible and even the set bonus is crap. Cut off a lynx set from those zombos as soon as you can and build it.

>>377239737
You know SMT existed before pokemon right? You should be saying that Pokemon is not a SMT game.

>>377277539
It's not that good, buddy. LotF --- Surge ----------- Souls. Only the combat is decent, everything else is bland and boring.

>>377244281
Fucking rekt
Also doesn't involve invasions/networked co op.

>>377266836
So was Enchanted Arms.

ENCHANTED ARMS IS A SOULSLIKE!

>>377277543
>Can someone explain what exactly makes this game any worse than the souls games?
>Except for the less interesting world of course
>Can someone explain what makes it worse except for the reason its worse
Its also five hours long with only a handful of weapons and rigs, none of which are better than shit you get from the first level.

>>377277492

Hit his legs until he topples to the ground. Then go around behind him and destroy the module on his back.

>>377239737
My complaint is that it's like dark souls, and I think dark souls is shit.

>Get to the dark area
>Lights don't do shit because they just point straight into the ground

gr8

>>377277543
The game has a severe lack of interesting items. Every item you get is for crafting a piece of armor or upgrading your stuff. There is no magic oil that you can drink to make you temporarily faster or temporarily increase your damage or anything cool like that. The enemies drop very specific stuff and the drop rate is always 100%

>>377277543
What quests?

>>377277827
>Temporary buffs

I never use that garbage anyway.

>>377277827

>There is no magic oil that you can drink to make you temporarily faster or temporarily increase your damage or anything cool like that.

Uh, what? There are several implants that apply physical or elemental damage buffs to your weapon in exchange for energy.

>>377277770
It's not 5 hours long the fuck are you on about

>with only a handful of weapons and rigs, none of which are better than shit you get from the first level.

So like any other dark souls game?

>>377277827
Magic is retarded in dark souls, it's simply broken and a waste time cuz it breaks the game
You're right about the items, but it's not like anyone uses that shit in dark souls altho it's cool.
I like the way you make your build
It's actually different from dark souls, which is nice and you can add buffs to your weapons
Actually one of the first things you get is a damage buff
Did you play the game anon?

I know absolutely nothing about this game besides the fact that there are several people on /v/ constantly claiming it's not a Dark Souls clone.

Which leads me to believe it might be a Dark Souls clone.

>>377278295
Even the devs openly admit it's supposed to be a soulslike game

>>377278153
>So like any other dark souls game?
Go fuck yourself.

>Dark Souls
>Large selection of weapon types
>Every weapon has different scaling, or base damage for different builds
>Each weapon group has weapons with different movesets
>Weapons with unique effects such as toxic, elemental damage or special attacks

>The Surge
>There are five weapon types
>Five boss weapons
>Every weapon has the same moveset within its type
>About two or three weapons in each group
>Each weapon is a flat, brainless upgrade

>>377278554
Dark souls has the same thing, like 5 weapon types and then a hundred reskins of that same moveset

What the fuck are you on about you dumb bastard

>>377278683
You don't have to be so mad when your game is shit.

>>377278849
Are you shaking anon?

How do I increase number of heals?

I don't want a lords of teh fallen situation where I missed them all and go through life with 3 potions.

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>>377278683
>like 5 weapon types and then a hundred reskins of that same moveset
Funny looking 5.

>>377278917
You can equip multiple of the same implants. You should've found the 2nd instant heal implant before the 1st boss.

>>377278934
Idk, most weapons just feel the same in dark souls besides the obvious very slow, normal and very fast ones

I never liked the weapon variety in dark souls, bloodborne did this so much better I loved it

I don't mind how the surge does it, at least it doesn't pretend like it has huge weapon moveset variety

>>377278917
Just find another heal implant thing and shove it in

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>>377279149
>Called out on his bullshit
>Idk most weapons feel the same
>I.. I didn't even like the weapon variety
>I LIKE BLOODBONE PLEASE RESPECT ME.
Okay cupcake.

>>377264205
>shitpost abot the game because you don't like it
>no one listens to you
>now some people are enjoying the game and discussing it
>now you're shitposting because you don't want people liking things that you don't like

ftfy

>>377272375
grinding doesn't really do shit in dark souls though, if you grind hard enough you'll die in 4 hits instead of 3 or get 4 rolls instead of 3

maybe I'm just too used to games where grinding is the difference between literally doing chip damage and one shooting the hardest non-boss enemies

>>377279278
>not being able to handle basic human communication
Amazing how a few simple sentences can shatter simple minds

>>377279554
Yea I always just level a bit of hp/stamina in souls and then the rest I put in damage
It's even more ridiculous in bloodborne where things not only do a ton of damage but also have long chains of attacks

>>377279554
Dark Souls also has soft and hard caps so you steamroll everything.

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>>377279729
>Amazing how a few simple sentences can shatter simple minds

>>377279752
*can't

All The Surge does is make me pine for a GOOD souls style sci-fi.

The only thing good about Surge is the animations, sounds and the design of the rigs/weapons.

Game itself is short, and shallow.

>>377279917
>Game itself is short, and shallow.

So like all the other souls games then?

>>377279917
>Surge
>sci-fi
More like industrial

>>377242634
They might as well be.

>just found out I can backstab
What a mysterious game.

I still can't believe there is a quick save

>>377239737

>same gameplay mechanics as every souls game ever made
>it's not a souls game

Mcfucking kill yourself.

>>377280105
How much money the devs used it to test their game and forgot to disable it for release because there's no option for it in the keybinds menu.

>>377277539
No, even DS2 is way better than this.

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>Say that there's little to no story whatsoever, and the "lore" is laughable
>Someone says that I just can't comprehend the story and trying to say that someone like Dark Souls is mainly all fan-canon anyway

Is there any armor other than the garbage man suit?

How do I respawn bosses? I want to get Pax's super weapon until I find a decent twin rig so I can decide what I'm focusing on.

>>377280190
85% likely

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>>377280105
>game doesn't explain your can do a dodge move by blocking and pressing right thumbstick up or down
>game doesn't explain you can quick save
>game doesn't explain you can charge some attacks
>game doesn't explain you can backstab

>>377280398
There's a pots and pans android suit in there too.

>>377277543
Have we played the same game?

>neat characters and quests
What the fuck?

The only thing this game has going for it is the the dismemberment system and that gets really stale really quickly.

There is literally nothing that shakes up the repetetive gameplay or makes the game interesting in any way.

>>377280464
Gotta restart the game and learn to use the quick save/load if you want v2.0 boss weapons.

>>377280398
see:
>>377259673

>>377259673
>>377280609
The fuck is this hideous shit?
>>377280528
Can you post it?

>>377280518
>game doesn't explain your can do a dodge move by blocking and pressing right thumbstick up or down
Yes it does, during the second level, but its easy to miss.

>Quicksave
HAHAHA what the fuck. The game has a quicksave? I'll just pretend I never learned about that, or it would remove any tension. Who the fuck puts a Quicksave into a souls game?

>>377280532
Same can be said for souls, but you fags all suck that off

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Hey guys, check out my cosplay for The Surge

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>>377280591

>Trying to kill Big Sister without destroying any of her support arms first.

Holy fuck what an annoying boss. Electric floor bullshit, massive charge that knocks you back with very little windup time, narrow windows to actually hit the core safely. What a nuisance.

>>377280683

Secret armor based on a Golden Age Iron Man expy from an in-universe comic book that the main character seems to be a fan of.

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Leave Japan for us

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>No one talked about Lords of the Fallen because it had Denuvo
>The Surge doesn't have Denuvo but barely anyone's talking about it
>In a month all discussion for this game will be dead and people will have forgotten it even existed, much like Horizon Zero Dawn

>>377280243
Can you repeat that in english?

>>377280852
>people don't give a fuck about shovelware
Woah.

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>>377280786
>Secret armor based on a Golden Age Iron Man expy from an in-universe comic book that the main character seems to be a fan of.
>google Golden Age Iron Man
What the fuck? are all armor this fucking ugly like this?

>>377280831
Thats a pretty fair score. Its better than Lords of the Fallen but still pretty forgetable.

They really need to work on adding more depth to their games. The core is fine but the lack of rpg elements and world building makes Surge pretty dull.

>>377280852
>In a month discussion of a game with no real replay value, limited build options and zero interesting story to talk about will be over
What is your point?

>>377280857
>Say that there's barely a semblance of an actual story
>Shills/Retards try and convince me that I just can't comprehend the story

>>377280609
>>377280786
Nothing better than those crap?

>>377280591
Is that seriously it? I saw somebody say you could respawn bosses.

>no character creator
>set a default character
>but the game has barely any story
So basically, they are lazy as shit?

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>>377280852
>German programmers make Japanese programmers look like amateurs
>get so butthurt you start wishing their product fails

Is the dev going to throw a bitch fit again here like he did with Lords of the Fallen?

>>377281080
>The devs behind LotF
>Not the amateurs
dumb frogposter

>>377281009
That's the only suit that covers all of warren and it seems to be a Easter egg. Everything else is going to look angular and only partial covering. Unless there's more on ng+ anyway.

Speaking of ng+ I've got another shot at pax V2 there right?

Oh also the trick to getting the special weapon from the final boss is to cut the left arm off.

>>377281098
He already is

>>377280906
>the surge
>armor
Enjoy your trash man suit with garbage strapped on.
>>377281029
You forgot
>no armor
>armor are literally garbage strapped on your body

>>377281198
What a fucking garbage.

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>>377281198

>100 Damage Twin weapon.

Holy fuck.

Let me guess, enemies on NG+ are so HP bloated that it doesn't even matter.

>>377280728
>b-b-but dark souls too
That's not an argument.
And it's also wrong.

I could understand if you said that you didn't like Dark Souls' tone or the vague story or whatever
but Dark Souls had a lot of thought put into the world and it's fun to explore.
The Surge literally has no proper story or characters.

The lore hints you can enable in the options are literally stuff like "this is a service elevator" when you highlight the elevator that is labled as elevator.

Characters that you save, that actually hang out at your "bonfire" have nothing to say except "I have no clue whats going on".

The Surge feels like it was designed by 12 year olds.

Ok then, Dark Souls and the Surge are Severance clones

What now

>>377281260

Anon, we get the meme, no need to repeat it in literally every single one of your posts.

>>377239737
>all the souls streamers enjoying it - oro the cuck
>top speedrunners already routing
>steam reviews mostly positive
Everyone saying its bad are shitposting retards whose only joy in life is berating video games on /v/. The bottom of the barrel human waste.

>>377281383
It not meme if it true, le trash man

>>377240568
>tfw instincts tell me every game is shit
>tfw I have no face, just like there are no good games

>>377281384
This. I bet 90% of them haven't even played it. Literal worthless opinions.

>>377281384
>steam reviews mostly positive
Like every moeshit VN on steam right

>>377281384
See
>>377280831

>"In the same way how C&C is not a Statecraft game."

Surely you meant "how Starcraft is not a Dune 2 game"?

>>377281080
I'm german and even I think this studio and its games are a dumpster fire.

>>377281576

>I'm german

Prove it.

>>377281098
Source?

This sounds like comedy gold if it actually happened.

>>377239737

>the Surge
>you don't have to surge anything
Why not just name it The Trash Man since it's the only thing you wearing in this game?

>>377281491
Nice strawman, but this is an entirely different genre with an entirely different fanbase. The fanbase of this genre are reviewing it mostly positively, therefore we can conclude it's good.

>>377281617
sieg heil

>>377281576
Hey come on now, give them a little credit dumpster fires provide vital warmth to homeless during winter

>>377281642
lmao rekted xD

>>377281658
>The fanbase of this genre
Like who?

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so i beat this game and it left me with nothing but questions

what IS project utopia? are they just causing an extinction level event and turning everyone into weird geodude monsters???

where was Jo's final encounter? what does she give you?

what caused "The Surge"?? i couldn't find anything, or any hints about what even started the entire shitstorm. was Creo just naturally decaying and falling to shit by the time you arrived? game seems to hint otherwise

are the guys in the starting area/every area "zombies"?? it's really difficult to tell which human enemies are 'sentient' or not, since you run into "normal dude" security guys later on who are just as animalistic aggressive as the shitty dumb "zombie" guys

what makes the main character 'respawn'?? what's the 'respawn' mechanic for other enemies? there's no 3d printing out people or whatever, how's the fucker keep coming back

>>377281658
>The fanbase of this genre
LMAO

>>377281750
>Like who?
The people who are fans of the genre moron.

>>377281772
>Thinking the devs actually had story or lore to go along with their game
You're way too hopeful

>bootleg dark soul
>no customization
>no armors
>few weapons
>scifi industrial setting with no guns or any interesting weapons
What the points?

>>377281371
>Implying anyone knows what the fuck that is
Sure its not that old but its still too old for these kids, anon.

>>377281824
>The people who are fans of the genre moron.
All i seen are people shitting on this turd

>>377281824
Only retards think "soulslike" is an actual genre.
It's literally just a term youtubers have come up with as clickbait.

>>377239737
Games trash. Wrote my review on metacritic, search Kaioh

>>377281824
See
>>377281926

>>377281981
I guess you didn't see 80% of the steam reviews then.

As usual, the minority are the most vocal.

>>377282034
>im 14 and my opinion is fucking superior
Kill yourself.

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>>377282012
Its a perfectly fine term for an action game with punishing gameplay, you autist. Stop trying to find endless things to hate on.

>>377239737
Why are people using swords in a futuristic setting?

They should be using railguns or plasma cannons or some shit.

>>377282101
steam reviews are worthless what are you even talking about?

>>377281772
Utopia is new life based on nanomachines coupled with the cyborg zombie guys taking over earth that's been wiped clean of everything. So yeah it's extinction for the lols basicly.
I don't remember who jo was. The scrap lady? You just get the equalizer back at materials.
the utopia nanomachines caused the surge.
From what I gathered the "zombies" are husks animated by either the nanomachines or basicly feral workers who had their brains fried after the surge.
And finally the reapawning is because I honestly don't know, I chalk that one up to "videogames" myself.

But that could all be wrong. It's just what I've gathered.

>>377282101
It's not opinions dipshit
>no customization
>no armors
>few weapons
>scifi industrial setting with no guns or any interesting weapons
Defend this, turdface

>>377282107
So Ninja Gaiden is a Soulslike?

>People going on and on about how this is "Sci-Fi Souls"
>You're literally in a factory where all the environments look the exact same, so much so that it gets fucking exhausting
>It's more Industrial Souls than anything

>>377282107
In that case it would be called Diablo-like since Diablo did the corpse run before Dark Souls.

>Pirate it
>Try it out
>It's okay, nothing special and not as good as Dark Souls
>Consider buying
>$50

Nevermind. Feels like a 20 dollar game so far.

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Leave Japan to Deck 13!

>>377282180
Why they are worthless? Are "journalist" reviews better in your opinion?

>>377282237
>"What's the story like?"
>"Nanomachines."
This is a joke, right?

>>377282365
I'm dead serious unfortunately. It's the final boss, and what you see in the pause menu. Nanomachines son.

>>377282338
Kek. And I'd call even Nioh a lame rip-off.

>>377282246
>no customization
Oh no, now i can't roleplay.
>no armors
There are several armors.
>few weapons
More than bloodborne.
>scifi industrial setting with no guns or any interesting weapons
Go play an fps if you want ranged combat, this is a melee-centric game.
>turdface
Please die.

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So why exactly do they install an exoskeleton over your clothes by drilling it into your skin? Seems like a retarded way to add some shock value when the exoskeleton looks like shit that we have now that you just strap into.

>>377282339
DmC is rated "Very Positive" on Steam, these faggots have no standards whatsoever

>>377282516
Because its a video game. What is it like to have autism?

Bitches, only user score on metaC is relevant and true. And its sayin this crap is 7.2

Deck 13 is literally just a studio of uncreative neo-hipsters that hired the lead designer of the Trove mmo as head designer for this.

This game is literally just pandering shovelware.

>>377282535
This, steam is full of dota kids with no taste or newfags

>Interested in buying it
>Currently playing Prey however
>Going to play Furi after that
>Then Bayonetta
>Then Vanquish will probably be out

Ittle be a few weeks before I get around to picking this game up. By then ittle probably be super cheap.

>>377282516
Because the developers watched Elysium and thought it was cool and edgy.

Too bad no one gives a shit about the protagonist Generic McBland.

>>377282728
>pandering
Who is it even pandering to? This game feels so soulless, like it was made in a factory, which feels really fucking ironic.

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>>377282237

>it's all NANNERMACHINES

a-are you sure

>the utopia nanomachines caused the surge.

how? why? what does that accomplish for them?

why were there 'collective consciousness' at the end of the game? some generic 'upload out consciousness haha lol' singularity meme plot??

i just want to tie off the loose ends of this clusterfuck story so i can sweep it under the rug!! i honestly regret playing this fucking thing, it just left me digging for answers that don't exist