Our thoughts on Doom?

>>377227121
its beautiful

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>>377227121

One of the major pillar stones of gaming history, still an amazing, fun game, and so well designed & implemented experience that very few later titles of the same genre get even close to its brilliance. Also a superb platform for modders and game makers.

What do you mean by "our"?

Makes my penis queasy

>>377227121
I still typically play every year's best custom wads. It still has a great community generating new content in unique ways.

>Putting custom levels on to floppy discs

who /aesthetic/ here?

quake 1 is better

>>377227639
I understand, but disagree.

>>377227639
Q1 is forgettable as fuck.

>>377227297
nice ass

We think it is a decent game for the time. However we acknowledge that it has not aged too well. We also find the depiction of both mars and demons to be rather lacking. We believe that wolfenstein was a better game.

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>>377227639
The music in quake 1 is

>>377227793
>>377227864
both of you're opinions are wrong and shit

>>377227327
Do you speak english?

>>377227952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sv7o9NT8Lo

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Still the best; just as crazy as NuDoom but with infinite content.

>>377228127
That's very rude of you to say that.

>>377228127
What makes you say that?
Q1 is literally the first brown&grey shooter, praised only for its use of fully 3D polygonal worlds and assets + the implications and features it introduced to MP world. The enemies, maps, weapons and core gameplay in SP were meh, and there was way too little foes to fight, and all of 'em were bullet sponges.

>>377228218
nuDuum is lame and lukewarm as fuck compared to D1-2's best bits, especially on UV. Literally the console babby's first FPS with no HP regeneration or reloads.

>our
>we
We'd like it if you'd stop that.

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>>377227121
best asses in vidya

>>377227121
it's fantastic
you'd probably be better off trying to talk about it in /vr/ though, it's too slow for most dumb kids so you'll get better discussion

>>377227121
Doom 1 is a fucking classic and one of the best single player shooters ever made with a okay MU
Doom 2 is a good game but 1/3rd of its levels are straight trash and empty as fuck with better multiplayer because of better maps for it/weapons
Final Doom is half shit since TNT is ass but Plutonia is good
Doom 3 is okay
Doom 4 is solid and captures some of the magic of the originals but since it has a limited amount of max enemies on the screen/snapmap levels it can't touch Doom1/2
Doom 4s multiplayer is fun also has some gimmicks but feels like a older arena shooter slowed down somewhat.

A great series overall with its low point being mediocre at worst and its highest being masterful.

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>>377228586
>no mention of Doom 64
you're missing out, mate. It's the REAL "Doom3", and prequel to nuDuum.

Also, the RPG mechanics + arena fight spam ruined D4.

>>377228786
>prequel to nuDuum
Nudoom isn't a Doom game in any way whatsoever. It's just casual console tripe.

>>377228130
I'm not a part of some kind of Borg hivemind/collective.

You can address people other than yourself with "You" or "Your"

"What are your thoughts on Doom?" would be a lot less fucking stupid sounding.

>>377228942
True that. But don't say it too loud, or you'll summon the Zenimax sh- ...I mean the young "Doom fans".

>>377228942
D44m is more suited to K&M than any other Doom game, you parroting fuck.

What's the best mod?

>>377229317
Brutal Doom

>>377229317
uacmn.wad

>>377227121
Any Doom mods where you fuck the monsters into submission?

>>377229432
Hdoom

How do I get out of the first room in Doom? I've got the pickup at the top of the stairs and now I'm stuck.

What about mods that honor Doom itself to the point they even remember the most forgotten pieces of its history?

>>377229582
Metadoom?

>>377229558
try opening the door

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>>377229317
Smooth Doom for its completely cosmetic changes that complement the original work. Brutal Doom fucks with the balance for no reason.

>>377229912
Thanks, I'll try that

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>>377230297
Don't listen to him it's a trap

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>>377228429
> quake 1 maps are meh

Ahahahahabahaahahahahahagahahagag
Holy shit you aren't smart

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>>377229317
Smooth Doom.

been playing Project Brutality for Doom 2 and that's so far pretty fun and funny in all it's ridiculousness. Very dumb, very over-designed but still great gameplay and weapons.

>>377227639
I agree for both online and singleplayer it's far more intense.

>>377228429
Spotted the retard who didn't get past the first map. There were already fully 3D games when Quake came out as well.

I want to consort with the demons (male)
Also the games are good I guess, including the newest one despite what half of /v/ will attempt to tell you. It has flaws, several of them in fact, but it's fun.

>>377230635
what level is this? Is from TNT or plutonia??

>>377229282
>Haha you're not a Doom fan if you like D44M

Hated new Wolfeinstein. Like D44M alot but not nearly as much as 1/2. You need to kill yourself if you think its not a half way decent game. Just another kid looking for imsohardcore points when hes probably shit at the original games anyways.

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>>377228586
>Final Doom is half shit since TNT is ass but Plutonia is good
Am I the only person that actually liked TNT more than Plutonia? Like I get why people would dislike TNT, but I think it's got some great maps and some of the best maps in classic Doom, and yeah it has some weak maps but it's over all a pretty solid game.

>"""""our"""""

Brutal DOOM + immersive HUD mods + Hell on Earth starter pack = perfection

>>377227639
>2 enemies on screen at once, the game

>>377231870
Wormhole is a GOAT map and Smells Like Burning Corpse is a GOAT track.

>>377231476
it was one I was working on and then dropped.

>>377232114
>brutal doom
First mistake.

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>>377232251
Having taste this bad

>>377232383
Brutal Doom is for people that don't actually enjoy running maps the way they were intended and just wanna reduce the game to a teenagers dream of a sloppy gore fest.

>>377232383
Defending brutal doom and telling people they have bad taste is funny, because it means you have none.

>>377229317
If we're going with "Doom but better", Smooth Doom.
However, D4T, or Death Foretold, is pretty damn great.
Now if only that new update would come out
If you want the best Map wads, then look at the Cacowards, and the Top 100.
https://www.doomworld.com/10years/bestwads/
This page links to both, earlier years being Top 100, later years being the Cacowards.

So why can't people like Doom AND Brutal Doom?

Also DemonSteele is the shit.

>>377233349
The problem with Brutal Doom, as stated many times over, is it brings people in and they start claiming it's the one and true way to play doom and start whining for Brutal Compatibility with every other gameplay mod out there. The gameplay balance also isn't very good, and the code is a fucking spaghetti nightmare, though normal players won't suffer from that particularly, though there was an older version where blood spatters could hurt players, that was stupid.

>>377232185
download link?
totally_safe_fortress.wad?

>>377232180
Deepest Reaches, Wormhole, Mil, and System Control are all great maps, and Sadistic, Blood Jungle, Legion of the Lost, and Into the Beast's Belly are all great tracks, and that's just naming my favorites. TNT is really underrated in my opinion.

>>377233349
It's mainly the Doom purists who hate BD.

>>377232757
no u

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Since we're once again on the topic of Brutal Doom...

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>>377233648
>the problem with Brutal Doom is I cant handle other people having different opinions than me

>>377233710
I liked the attempts to make some less abstract maps, like there was a factory/mill themed map that had some working machinery and such. Pure abstraction isn't really my thing. I also liked the absurd gigantomania of some of the maps. Which was that one where you battle through a labyrinthine complex and in the climax emerge into an enormous canyon full of Arachnotrons with a Spider Mastermind in the end, which dwarfs the rest of the map but flows much faster because of how open it is? That was a cool contrast.

>>377234098
one thing is having an opinion and another thing is enforcing your opinion

>>377227121
Best game of all time.

>>377228942
You're allowed to not like something, I don't like the new Star Wars movies, that doesn't mean they're not Star Wars.

>>377232610
So its perfect for /v/

>>377234182
Like Doom purists who screech autistically when something they dont like is mentioned and wont rest until everyone agrees with them? Who's enforcing what?

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>>377227121
Best Fps by a long shot.
They don't even try anymore.

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Better than the new doom.

>inb4 nostalgia

I played both for the first time simultaneously

>>377231593
>You need to kill yourself if you think its not a half way decent game.
half decent is half shit. It only left me a disgusting taste in the mouth, and a realization how twisted & wrong understanding newfags got of Doom.

You also seem to love to interpret anything people say about the game the way you want to. Doom ain't even "2hc" or anything, it's just vastly superior game.

someone post Hdoom

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>>377232130
t. never got past the first level

>>377234565
>Both for the first time simultaneously
How many arms do you have anon

>>377234134
>Which was that one where you battle through a labyrinthine complex and in the climax emerge into an enormous canyon full of Arachnotrons with a Spider Mastermind in the end
Pretty sure it's Central Processing. And yeah, TNT has some nice details between abstract map design like the pseudo-machinery and texture work, plus some of the night-time maps in the mid-game just look fucking stellar with the sky texture and how the maps are constructed. It's part of why I love Deepest Reaches so much.

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>>377233684
I never really released it publicly, it was a project I never finished and the balance isn't very good. I might redo it one day.

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>>377234724
Imp-chan is the best thing to come from H-Doom.

>>377228786
>muh real doom 3
might as well list all the other console ports that were different as a sequel

>prequel to nuDuum
they straight up ripped most of the UAC shit and some of the monster and weapon designs from Doom 3

>>377234724
ah yes, the shitty sex mod which offers literally fucking nothing new apart from animations and demon titties, which the dev got so bored of he went to make a MGQ doom game.

plus every demon now is an anime girl, amazing variety 11/10

>>377230274
Isn't Beautiful Doom better?

>>377234565
Anyone noticed how the amount of biased, baseless claims of EVERY criticism towards these new reboots & sequels to classic titles has increased in the past couple years alone?

Seems to be the basic textbook comeback of the shills and consolikids these days.

>>377234759
yeah kinda walked into that one didn't I

>>377229317
pol.wad

>>377234924
Have you played Doom 64? It's a completely new set of maps. Whereas the other console ports are just that, ports. Doom 64 was made with the 64 in mind and was its own thing.

>>377234796
Red is berserk, green is chaingun, what was blue? I can't make out what's on the banner.

>>377234785
I also really liked Stronghold because it has a ton of low HP enemies and you can gib 3-4 of them with an SSG shot. Used to test weapon mods on it.

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>>377227321
This. I downloaded doom and a bunch of mods and online play shit. Couldnt believe how much fun i was having. And the online community is still very active. What a great game.

>play doom
>move fast by holding shift and moving in 1 of 8 directions
>play quake 1
>move fast by jumping, holding a strafe key and turning in order to move really fast in infinity directions
>rocket jumping
Quake 1 was better

>>377235074
Super Shotgun.

>>377229317
nuts.wad

>>377235129
>moving in 1 of 8 directions
Doom always supported mouse

>>377234924
>might as well list all the other console ports that were different as a sequel
D64 ain't a port, mate. It's a totally new game, and direct sequel to Doom 2.

>rip this & that
yet the PLOT is a direct sequel. They just went with D3 designs because Beth-ID is lazy as fuck.

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>>377235117
Stronghold is a crazy map to play, it's a lot of fun. I really enjoy playing System Control with berserk only, the map is really well made for it, and the first three maps are a lot of fun to play back to back.

>>377229317
Samsara.

Alright time for the real deal

FAVORITE MAP OF

>Doom 1 (can be per episode)
>Doom 2
>TNT
>Plutonia
go

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>>377234565
compare each enemy individually and the enemy mechanics in DOOM 4 are more engaging. Old imps shoot a fireball and claw, slowly walk around. New imps lead shots with precision, shoot a faster fireball, have 3 different types of fireball (a fast one they throw while running, one that curves upwards to prevent you from jumping, and the standard one they have to stop moving to charge), navigate to vantage points, hang back to shoot while others go in for melee attacks, have a rapid melee attack, crawl up and around walls, have a quick sidestep dodge, and run quickly.

Old Doom has much more simplistic enemy design but compensates with more intricate level design and enemy placement. The AI in DOOM 4 is smart and moves around, constantly chasing the player. Because of their mobility and intelligence classic level design wouldn't really be possible. You can literally play the classic levels with new enemies and it's self evident it doesn't really work. New Doom doubles down on the combat and I like it more for that reason because combat is ultimately what levels existed to facilitate. It can't be argued the original has a perfect pace and balance that will never be topped but I like new Doom and it shouldn't be contrarian to say such a thing in a Doom thread. The thrill I get from nightmare, making split second decisions and keeping track of enemies from every corner leading shots, is not something I ever got in old Doom. Both are fantastic games with fundamentally different design philosophies.

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why aren't you nerds making content for Doom? Make some maps, make a weapon, edit some monsters. It's easy.

>>377235129
Doom had strafejumping already.

>>377235129
>Quake 1 was better

Quake 1 was brown and boring. It also started the trend of Id trying to be hardcore, dark and serious, even getting Trent "eternal adolescent" Reznor to do the soundtrack. And subsequent Quake games would have full-on metal music and unironic grimdark shit everywhere. Quake III was a masturbatory fantasy for 14-year-olds, who as we all know have embarrassing pleb taste in everything.

Doom was more tongue-in-cheek, colourful and fun.

>>377235938
Link the program you use, depending on how user friendly it is I'll start tonight. Sounds fun.

>>377235865
>E1: E1M9
>E2: Halls of the Damned
>E3: House of Pain

>Doom 2: The Pit

>TNT: Ballistix

Fuck the Plutonia Experiment.

>>377235983
>Quake 3 was a masturbatory fantasy fantasy for 14 year olds
You mean the game that was pretty much just a pvp deathmatch game?

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>>377227297
rape zeus never fails me to give me a heart attack

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>>377236001
http://slade.mancubus.net/ for gameplay modding

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=54957 for map editing

https://zdoom.org/wiki/Main_Page documentation n shit

http://www.realm667.com/index.php/en/repository-18489 resources for weapons, monsters, and textures

http://gunlabs.blogspot.com/2011/01/welcome-to-new-doom-armory.html babby's first tutorial to make guns.

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>>377235983
t. underage doombabby
Doom 1 is literally copycat metallica music

>>377227297
This tickle... fades away the cheeks!
NOOOO MY ASS!

>>377236428
Cool as fuck anon

>>377234912
Stupid sexy imps.

>>377236118
You say that as if peeveepee isn't popular with high school trogs who attach a lot of personal importance to rankings and shit.

However, I was specifically talking about the artistic design of the game, which is all chunky armour, drearily unimaginative hellscapes and mongo mosh pit music.

>>377236532
Did you run track in high school anon?

Or did you not do anything athletic at all?

>>377236437
In midi. Which strikes a completely different tone.

The doom music is cheesy and cheerful in its own way. Quake music makes me think of greasy longhairs, body odour, etc.

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>>377235938
I have a fantasy of doing a reskin of the game, maybe making some new enemy types, all themed around classic SHIELD comics. The player would be Nick Fury (the real one), levels would be AIM and Hydra facilities, standard soldiers would be AIM soldiers and such, pull from Marvel lore for the other enemies. But I always thought making such a project would be incredibly difficult and I dont know where to start.

>>377236779
>But I always thought making such a project would be incredibly difficult and I dont know where to start.
Start from the beginning, just start making some guns that feel appropriate for Nick Fury. Map making in Doom is pretty easy.

The hardest thing would be getting the sprites, honestly.

>>377235865
>E1M7, E2M2, E3M3*, E4M2
>Industrial Zone
>Deepest Reaches
>Temple of Darkness

>>377236705
you are now aware midi sounds different depending on what sound module you use

>>377236925
how do I make maps and sprites??

>>377237214
>E2m2
Most overrated map of all time

>>377234729
hes wrong, but even then this isn't a vanilla level

>>377237564
Grab GZdoom builder for maps and Slade for editing monsters here >>377236428

As for making the sprites, get yourself some image editing software and either edit pre-existing sprites or brace your anus and learn how to make multiple frames for at least 5 different angles.

>>377235908
If they removed the charging homing missile pinkies I'd like the enemies a whole lot more. The design of them is fucking horrible because if the way enemies spawn in closed arenas settings. They can spawn right behind you and one shot you with no way to dodge them once you hear them coming. If doom had regular level design without arenas they'd be fine because you could prepare for them and use your environment properly but they're always a surprise and always a nuisance now

>>377235908
Half of all that stuff you said about nuDoom is literally placebo. The whole "better AI" is resulted by the tinyass combat arena lockdown rooms that MAKE the enemies jump and leap around nonstop, giving an impression of more aggressive behavior. The oldschool maps are a fine evidence for this, as enemies got less room to do anything, because of their own bigger size.

Original Doom had way deeper gameplay balance and variation. Enemies alone had way wider spread on the possibility space, with the complete lack of cannon-fodder hit-scan enemies being one of the bigger missing elements in nuDoom. And then there's all the other NOT-combat things, such as supply management and secrets hunting, which actually is closely related to former. Original Dooms played quite a bit like faster paced survival-horror games, where the maps were like big 3D puzzles of sort.

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>>377237954
>Original Dooms played quite a bit like faster paced survival-horror games

>>377235908
The one thing that pisses me off about Doom 4 is you can't really bait enemies into melee safely, seeing as they swipe out so far and usually move forward. Infighting really isn't something you can reliably manipulate anymore either, enemies don't even deliberately target one another after getting friendly fire, it just happens by accident, they're 100% focused on you.

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>>4000643

Someone on /vr/ made a quickstart archive, containing Doom 1 & 2 plus a ton of popular addons. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B47V8l2eVZKxdjhMOFlkMHRmV2c/view

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>>377236437
>Quakefag calling Doomfag underaged

>>377234634
lul d44m is awesome fuk u

>>377238295

Screwed up the post, again. >>>/vr/4000643

>>377237954
Yeah you know what else sucks about nuDoom? You can rebind hotkeys.

Only way to experience Original Doom is by using arrow keys. Nothing should ever change because it was all so much better back then.

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>>377237954
Literally all placebo? What the fuck?They are more aggressive, I dont see what your point here is exactly. If you play the classic levels with modern enemies the fact that they're more intelligent and aggressive is undeniable. And you're trying to spin their more varied tactics as a bad thing, somehow? I never once thought rooms were "tinyass" so I dont even know how to argue against that impression when I dont see what you mean in any way.

Not gonna lie, you lost me on that second paragraph.

>>377237895
Literally get good, pinkies are constantly making loud snarling pig noises and screech when they begin the charge. Why do you think you have a double jump, anon? I love fighting the pinky while you're also dodging various other enemy attacks, lots of fun. The game demands your attention, which is something I love.

>>377238283
I agree, but after my stupid amount of play time (I have over 400 hours) I have actually witnessed natural infighting occur. Its just really REALLY fucking rare. I dont know what causes it or anything but it happens

>>377239590
You can't get good if they spawn behind you. It's bad design. Enemies spawning in a closed space is always bad design, and the pinkies highlight that problem more than any other enemy

>>377238201
It does. Think about it for a moment.

>>377238902
wew lad, your sarcasm's way off the chart bro!
Thanks for adding to the discussion, man!

>>377239590
They only run and jump around more.
And yes, those rooms are small. A mere fraction of all the space and room the original games had in your disposal, for exploration and tactical use.

>all this bickering over Quake 1 vs Doom, games that were released years apart
Doesn't matter because Duke Nukem 3d was a better single player experience than bothIf you disagree you can blow it out your ass

>>377240567
Thanks for settling the argument of who had the worst opinion in the thread. It's yours.

>>377240868
duke3D is fantastic shooter and better than doom
quake is still better

>>377240868
What kind of sissy shit thinks Doom is better than Duke Nukem 3d from a gameplay perspective? Either youre a limp wristed pussy that thinks Duke 3d is purely crude jokes with no gameplay, or your head is up your ass.

>>377241154
Shadow warrior is better.

>>377234929
>MGQ doom game
that sounds pretty cool, give me a link

>>377241415
go to his tumblr, pretty sure it's the first result if you search for hdoom anyway

>>377241337
lolno

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archvile is taller than doom person

>>377229317
demonsteele
>>377235046
moonman doom is better

>>377240131
They telegraph attacks, are loud as shit, play a long spawning animation that might as well come with a sign saying "PAY ATTENTION TO ME" I personally never encountered that problem but I guess I can see how it could happen.

>>377227121
Unironically the best game ever along with super metroid

>>377229317
Complex Doom

>>377229317
>Smooth Doom
>Some widescreen HUD of choice

>>377231870
TNT is alright my gripe is it lacks consistency
One of the cool things about Plutonia is only two dudes map all the maps
So even if it is just a bunch of reveants and chaingunners, it's still pretty straightforward
TNT has maps that are gimmicky or try to fuck with veteran Doom players
Some maps are also too large for their own good
I don't dislike it, I just can see why people would

>>377238356
if you don't know doom 1's music is metal in midi format you're definitely underage

>>377242337
for some reason doom guy's in-game sprite makes him look like a manlet

>>377242337
>Archvile 6'0
>Doomguy 5'11

>>377231870
TNT to me felt more colorful and fun, there was a point where I just gave up because the maps were fucking mazes, Plutonia is just miserable to me because the maps are all ugly arenas where the enemies just rain shit on you relentlessly

>>377235865
>E1M7 E2M4 E3M5 E4M6
>Inmost Dens
>Pharaoh
>Onslaught

But what are the worst maps from each game?

>>377245552
>Doom1
E1M6, E2M3 and Limbo
>Doom2
Downtown

>>377245552
Barrels o Fun and every cityscape map until Plutonia showed how its done

>>377242459
It's because of the random spawning and arena style that makes them so annoying. They're easy to dodge, easy to get behind, and easy to kill from behind, but fuck me I have been stuck at levels where you're forced to mow them down from the front and it is annoying as fuck how hard they are to kill when you're forced to to that. Especially when there's two of them or more.

Regular level design would have prevented this retarded madness

>>377245552
Halls of the Damned
Dicks and Traps

>>377246984
I had a lot of fun in Barrels o' Fun, at least until I played the Playstation version, I don't care how attached people are to the Playstation ports, the game is somehow less fun.

KneeDeep>Inferno>>>>>>Shores>>>>>shit>>>>>ThyFlesh

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>>377237772
This looks really complicated and scary. I made a level in snapmap and was proud of myself for that.

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>>377227121
its ok

>>377249118
for you

>>377229317
Pinochestein

>>377244031

Arch-vile is more like 8 feet tall, Baron of Hell height.

I can't stop playing Demonsteele
This mod was made for ME, it's fucking great and it works flawlessly with Zandro for coop

>>377229317
Demon Steele

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>>377234481
>>377234481
Look at it this way you're not wrong for saying Brutal DOOM is the right way to play doom.
Its just the equivalent of saying this is what the mona lisa is supposed to look like.
Yes DOOM is the mona lisa of FPS and maybe even vidya in general.
You're not wrong because "its you're opinion brah," but its a very... egotistical opinion.

>>377236437
>Doom 1 is literally copycat metallica music
>not Pantera

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>>377227864
I realize this is said in retaliation for a shitposter, but this is objectively fucking wrong.