Fate

>>377212693
Both are very long and tedious to read. Especially the never ending 'eating the meal' parts in FSN.

Tsuki>FSN imo though.

>>377212693
Babbys first vn

>>377212693
So what you're saying is that you didn't get past the halfway point of the prologue?

Just watch the anime like any other ADHD ultrababby, then when you inevitably like Zero more than /sn, kill yourself.

>>377213127
It used to be Saya no uta, but now its Steins Gate

>>377213203
>Zero
>not better than Fate/Tohsaka's defenseless anus

Fate doesn't have good writing despite what Nasufags tell you. I have no idea how this series got so popular

Tsukihime > Fate/Stay night (Heavens Feel > UBW > Fate)

Fate/Zero (Anime/LN) > Fate/Stay Night (Anime/VN)

>>377213203
It's not even ADD, some people just don't get invested in VNs or at least Nasu's writing. I was diagnosed with ADD at age 11 and I still enjoy TM a lot, it's a matter of preference.
People do overrate F/Z horribly though. It was supposed to be the backstory and set dressing for FSN and Uro got way out of line trying to make it seem more important and adding in all the stupid overthetop action scenes. And then you have the faggots complaining that FSN isn't more like F/Z when F/Z should've done a better job of thematically matching FSN in the first place.

>>377214291
>I have no idea how this series got so popular
It's chuuni shit about magic and shit. It's popular for the same reason harry potter is popular

Also waifus

>>377214291
>Fate doesn't have good writing despite what Nasufags tell you

Nasufags have never once defended Fate for having good writing.
Just look at the molluscs.

The selling points are the waifus and the worldbuilding.

>>377212693
>being unable to get past the prologue
I read the entirety of FS/N and I regret it, but being unable to read past the very intro is just embarassing

>>377212693
Don't bother, just watch the anime adaptation.

>>377215159
>The selling points are the waifus and the worldbuilding
I enjoy the waifus in Fate and all that, but the world-building is definitely the main attraction to the franchise for me
>>377215294
But the best route, Heaven's feel, has no anime yet, and when it does, it won't be anywhere near as good

>>377214291
people like Fate for waifus, power levels, and the absurd amount of chuuni worldbuilding Nasu likes to shove into his work

>>377212693
Tsukihime is the worst piece of shit I've ever had the misfortune to read

Fate is trash. Not worth reading or watching or playing or anything. Just avoid the series. It's not well written, nor well translated not very interesting either.

>>377215479
>for waifus
Everything has waifus. Literally everything. I don't know what to tell you.

>>377214291
Fans of Nasu say he's pretty good, but those are the ones that know Japanese because most of the translations for his works are bad

>>377215910
>Everything has waifus. Literally everything. I don't know what to tell you.
You forgot to read the rest of his post

>>377215456
>anywhere near as good
Well it's either that or a reading through a fucking 40 hour vn to win some Internet faggot approval.

I really miss Unlimited Codes, such a good game. There really needs to be a new version, surely F/GO will get one eventually.

>>377215978
I didn't ignore that. Read my entire post.

>>377216002
Besides, all the times people said the VN is better than the anime has been wrong in my experience.

>>377216073
>I didn't ignore that. Read my entire post
Something doesn't need to be well-written to be fun

>>377216145
not an argument

>>377216189
So you were shitposting all along? ok

>>377216057
Why would they make a fighting game that'll make less money than GO does in a day

>There will never be another TM anime adaptation as good KnK 1-5 + 7
>There will never be Tsukihime anime with that level of quality.
Fuck everything.

>>377216263
To try and attract fighting game players, arcade players and others to F/GO.

>shitposting F/SN
>on /v/

Did you get bored of baiting for replies on /a/ or something?

>>377216263
Because they can make even more money with it

>>377216341
VNs aren't /a/ either though

>>377216275
>>There will never be another TM anime adaptation as good KnK 1-5 + 7
Last Encore airs this winter

>>377216464
F/SN certainly is though

Its one of the pillars of /a/

>>377216485
Extra is already shit though.

>Failing this obvious bait
Nigger, you're in the fucking prologue. How much ADHD do you have?

>>377216485
>Shaft + Shinbo
I mean it's Extra, so fucking whatever, but it might interesting I guess.

>>377216589
Everyone that likes CCC says otherwise though

>>377216254
(You)

>>377216631
Miyamoto's directing it. It also helps that Nasu's writing it too.

>>377216341
>>377216254
>>377216630
If you don't like people having different opinions feel free to leave.

>>377216664
>someone posts opinion you disagree with
>but too lazy to explain to them why you disagree and reply with a meme instead
Yep, shitposting alright

>>377216680
ANN says Miyamoto is the Series Director, Shinbo is listed as Director.
Either way, at least it'll be a change from Ufotable's current approach.

>>377216781
>someone posts a proper reply
>but incapable of actually responding he pulls the 'shitposting' card
Yep, shitposting alright. Whether you're aware of you actively doing it is another.

>>377216819
Shinbo's chief director for pretty much everything at Shaft, but he doesn't actually direct

>>377216847
Not him but "not an argument" is tantamount to "I have no argument and nothing worthwhile to say", so yeah.

>>377216875
So long as there's headtilts and shit I'm not fussed.

>>377216847
>"not an argument"
>proper reply
It's a meme, everyone uses it when they have nothing else to say

>>377216956
>not him but
Okay. I'll take your word on that. But then you're defending the wrong side. Clearly read the reply train next time. Saying someone has no argument is a valid statement. If you call saying 'no argument' isn't an argument in and of itself then you're simply not capable of comprehending how conversations go.

>>377217024
>but it's fun
>an argument
>meme meme meme meme
See I can do this too. Are you done sperging out?

>>377212693
I read it all years ago and it was painful, I've never seen anything drag it's heels as much as FSN does

Getting to Heaven's Feel was pretty satisfying though, that route is fucked up and awesome.

>>377217121
Oh, so you're just triggered by the word "fun". It's still a valid word no matter what people on this board have told you. Claiming something is fun is still a valid opinion to have

>>377217121
No. Even if you think he has no argument, the onus is on you to justify your point. And you didn't. It's a lazy, meaningless statement and (appropriately) is not an argument in itself.
>meme meme meme
Yeah, that's not a justifcation of your case either.
I don't really care for either of your cases, but you're no better than him at any rate.

It's shit. People only watch it to masturbate over the girls.

>>377212693
That's like an hour of reading. Are you 12?

>>377217302
>you're just
stopped reading there

>>377217343
>the onus is on you
Oh so you just wanted to play the meaningless 'blame' game. That does not move the conversation forward. He has no argument. This won't change no matter how hard he tries to move goal posts.

>>377217364
>watch
No
>to masturbate over the girls
Clearly you haven't read the posts in this thread, as well as all the autistic walls of text of people discussing the power levels and the insane lore

>>377217364
but the porn scenes are terrible.

>>377217456
>insane lore
Clearly YOU haven't read the thread because none of that is happening.

>>377212693
The original VN is the worst paced work I've ever read in my life, it's longer than the Bible

>>377217505
>Clearly YOU haven't read the thread because none of that is happening.
I'm talking about Fate threads in general, not this one specifically

There's usually massive walls of text everywhere

>>377217452
Do you have some sort of mental disability? I'm so sorry

Not really. It took me like 75 hours to read (or around about that, it was years ago that i read it so i'm not 100% sure on an exact figure).

Plus the prose is awful, which makes it a massive chore. Supposedly partly due to the translation, but i can't read moon so can't comment on the quality of the original.

>>377217580
>Clearly you haven't read the posts in this thread
I mean I'll believe you surely for I am ignorant about other threads but I feel like you could've made it clearer. Though I don't think that those threads imply anything about how Fate is written though. Considering Evangelion gets the same sort of threads and that's basically the same shallow harem lovestory.

>>377217570
That's just long visual novels in general. They're filled with filler and awful pacing.

>>377217696
>It took me like 75 hours to read
Please tell me you have some kind of condition.

Finish Fate route, it only gets better from there. That's pretty much just setup for UBW and HF.

Also, if you feel overwhelmed already, realize you're only knee deep in the shallow end of the Nasuverse right now. There's about a million things to read/watch from here on out, including great spinoffs and parodies.

>>377217452
Onus is responsibility, not blame. You are responsible for your own case, which you failed to support.
>That does not move the conversation forward.
Neither does "not an argument" as a flat statement. If you really thought there was nothing valid here then you'd have no real reason to respond, because the argument is done with. Please feel free to ignore my post if you think I've nothing of value to say.

>>377212693
if you were bored by that point then probably not, that particular vn takes its time

>>377217823
They could just skip the VN and go on to the good stuff like everyone else

>>377217798
It's not uncommon.

It took me 80 hours doing all the bad ends and shit.

>>377212693
just watch the two season ubw adaptation and watch hf when it comes out
rest isn't worth it

>>377217861
>Onus is responsibility, not blame.
I never claimed other wise. Do all Fate fags have such terrible reading comprehension? I guess that's why they need all the recaps.

>>377217723
I meant that there's multiple posts in this thread explaining that people also like the powerlevels and worldbuilding besides the waifus, and that other threads are filled with walls of text autistically arguing over said powerlevels and lore/worldbuilding

>Though I don't think that those threads imply anything about how Fate is written though
Oh this isn't about writing, the first guy I replied to claimed people only like Fate for the girls and all I did was tell him he's wrong

>>377217874
That's not how it works. You won't properly understand the characters or the universe mechanics. That's why Zero secondaries make such dumb posts and get ridiculed.

For a /co/ comparison, it's like watching the Justice League without ever having touched a DC comic/cartoon/etc.

>>377218008
I stand corrected. My bad. wari wari

>>377217943
>I never claimed other wise
>"Oh so you just wanted to play the meaningless 'blame' game."
>blame game
>blame
Uh, sure

>>377218087
VN fags really need to understand that you don't need to understand everything for something to be entertaining. Rewrite's anime is fine on its own. Air's anime is fine on its own. Etc etc.

>>377218131
You're making connections were there aren't any. I don't really understand why. But I've already said you were mistaken. So I'm not sure how that's going to change.

ZASSHU

>>377217798
How long do you think it should take to read?

>>377218241
>you don't need to understand everything for something to be entertaining
Not an argument

I started watching fate only because of the waifus being posted literally everywere
And i ended up liking the story too

>>377218361
?

>>377218401
the best fate waifus (taiga, ilya, caster, rider) don't even have routes

they really dropped the ball

>>377218241
i'm a vnfag and i also just said >>377217939
as long as the adaptation isn't bad, watching the adaptation is better than trying to force yourself to read something you're not interested in and just not seeing it altogether. if the dude's not into vns, he's not into vns, and this one is a vn for people who like vns and don't mind 20 hours of learning how to cook with worms.
besides, the ufotable adaptation of ubw was fine. i liked the vn more but that's because i like vns; i don't really think anything significant was missing from the adaptation.

>>377218401
>watching

>>377217943
>I never claimed other wise.
Then what did you think I was blaming you for? The only thing I'm blaming you for is using a throwaway statement like "not an argument", which holds no validity on its own. Here, let me try:
>Do all Fate fags have such terrible reading comprehension? I guess that's why they need all the recaps.
"Not an argument." On it's own, that statement no point. Now if I change that to "you're just trying to draw attention away from the argument and attempting to validate your case based upon the claim that I'm a TMfag and therefore my point is of less significance. It's irrelevant and not a valid argument.", that has actual meaning to it. Whether it's an acceptable meaning is a different matter, but at least it's a point that can be countered to conceded to. "Not an argument" on it's own can't be countered or conceded, it doesn't progress the argument and is effectively useless. And a waste of everyone's time, including yours.

As someone who read Tsukihime in 2005 or so, and read FSN before there was even a voice patch available, my advice is this: stop reading FSN, go watch Zero. If you find yourself invested then feel free to go back, but you will almost certainly find disappointment. Do not watch UBW.

>>377218419
"Entertaining" and "fun" pretty much mean the same thing, and according to you here >>377217121, saying something is fun is not a valid argument

>>377218515
>tfw tried to watch UBW
45 minutes is just too long, and it tired me out to the point where I dropped it altogether

>>377212693
F/SN is a pretty long winded read, if you aren't looking for that you might want to just drop it. Though, I would say that you should try finishing the prologue first, at least

>>377218087
>That's not how it works. You won't properly understand the characters or the universe mechanics.
Spinoffs tend to feature different stories and characters (or the same characters with different personalities, like Prisma's Illya or Zero's Saber). Also, the Holy Grail isn't a complex concept to understand. They explain it whenever it actually happens, like in Extra.

>That's why Zero secondaries make such dumb posts and get ridiculed.
They get ridiculed because people think reading the bad translation of the VN somehow makes them experts on Nasu's writing.

>For a /co/ comparison, it's like watching the Justice League without ever having touched a DC comic/cartoon/etc.
Except the people that made the Justice League knew it would be a lot of people's first exposure to DC comics? Everything may be connected, but no one expects you to know everything beforehand. I know I didn't know anything about DC before watching the cartoon, and that's the case for a lot of other people. Same with Teen Titans.

>>377218439
Yeah, watching. Fate is my chuuni guilty pleasure. I want to play the VN too now for the third route but i'm still searching it.

>>377218635
>but i'm still searching it
Just how new are you?

>>377218515
zero spoils the worms though

>>377218714
I'm not new. Been here since the deals a deal suck on my nipple dank meme.

>>377218740
It doesn't spoil anything if you never read FSN, which is something I highly recommend, even with Zero's ending not explaining the grail muck.

>>377218546
?

>>377218491
>then what did you
All I did was point out a mistake you made. I'm not you.

>>377218434
I think it's a tad much blaming the entire medium of VNs for one bad apple but other than that I can see your point.

>>377218714
VERY new. But don't tell anyone

>>377218515
>Do not watch UBW.
How come?

>>377218817
English is not you native tongue, is it?

>>377218817
>I think it's a tad much blaming the entire medium of VNs for one bad apple
i didn't mean to imply that if i did, just that f/sn is a vn for people who don't mind taking their time and going through lots of fluff. it takes its time and that's gonna turn some people off.

>>377218754
>post-2010
>not new
Faggot.
protip: google "fate stay night realta nua"
make sure you get the uncensor patch

Bait thread

>>377218881
not an argument

>>377218635
>I want to play the VN too now for the third route but i'm still searching it.
if you just care about the third route, realta nua is split into the three separate routes and you can just download realta nua heaven's feel and skip the other two.

>>377218960
>uncensor patch
The one that's censored still? The one with the terribly written porn scenes that come out of nowhere?

>>377218841
UBW's events and characters are the most like an action thriller the VN gets. It's the Terminator 2 of FSN. (HF is T1, Fate is any of the other ones.) The anime adaptation throws all the excitement out in favor of a slower, more "moody" pace, which worked for Zero but not for UBW.

>>377218630
People can consume the media as they like, but they shouldn't complain when they get called out on getting something wrong because they missed a ton of content. I mean there's nothing wrong with not knowing shit, but acting like an asshole and thinking you know better isn't going to help. And I know I'm talking about a very specific kind of situation, but it's still annoying.

>>377218817
>All I did was point out a mistake you made. I'm not you.
You said right here: >>377217452
>Oh so you just wanted to play the meaningless 'blame' game.
Which didn't make any sense. And you still didn't explain what you meant or what my 'mistake' is, either.

>>377219165
>it doesn't make any sense to me
Duly noted.

>>377219224
>Still didn't bother explaining
You're never going to be taken seriously if you won't argue properly. Oh well.

>>377219165
>this entire post

4chan is dead

>>377219285
Okay.

>>377219285
Not an argument.

>>377219285
4chan was never alive to begin with

>>377212693
Fate is garbage, drop it at once.

JoJo on the other hand...

>>377213289
Says no Uta may only be 2 hours long but it's about loli rape and mind breaking. That's a pretty intense "babbys first" vn choice.

If Saber was pretending to be a man, what the fuck is it with her girly hair and literally wearing a battle dress with a boob window?

>>377219938
Every TL'd VN has been babby's first VN at some point. Umineko, Muv-Luv, YMK, Wanko, Tsukihime, etc. have all been babby's first at some point.

>>377219954
>original Fate just had King Arthur and a female MC
>"this will not sell"
>uhhhh just genderswap everything
>K-King Arthur was pretending to be a man while also being a cute, short girl!!

I don't think they really thought it through.

>Zero is good
This is a meme spread by redditors and secondaries. Don't fall for it.

>>377220069
>"this will not sell"
There's an interview on this. IIRC Nasu just wanted to rework the idea for what's now Fate/Prototype and during that Takeuchi piped up saying he wanted to draw a girl in armor.
And thus began his inevitable downfall into eternal Saberface.

>>377217696

been hearing about the translation issues from multiple websites.

So is the overly literal translation issue something like this?

FUCKING 4chan upload issue, I'll just post the thread link:

you should follow the reply chain.
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/8124417#p8124559

Not sure why zero secondaries always have to chime in with their supposed "deep and mature story for mature adults" anytime anything fate comes up. If you're too lazy to read a VN, that's fine, just admit it. This consistent insistence that zero is somehow the pinnacle of fate, when they didn't even bother reading the source material, is something to see. Not saying fate is some sort of world-shaping literature, but it's a fun read, quite enjoyable/memorable. There's really only one right way to get into the series, and that's to read the VN, and the original at that. You can obviously add in the realta nua voice patch and other extras now, but the original, h-scenes and all, is the way to go, not whatever dragon/vampire bullshit rn comes up with.

>>377220069
>>377220253

Words cannot describe my butthurt at Saber, the one thing I truly hated of the story as a concept, being the most popular, iconic and re-used character of all.

Few as they might be, at least there's some interesting points to Shirou in the form of Archer. The only thing Saber was good for was being the target for Rider's sick burns.

Taiga is best girl.

>>377220462
All the Saberfags leave Tohsaka ripe for my pickings, at the very least.

>>377220271
The translation is fine, at least from a English phrasing stand-point. It may be a bit clunky at times, but definitely not enough for me to remember even one example, and sure, it's probably not a 100% academic-tier translation, but that's to be expected. Takajun did a good job, honestly can say can't recall even a single instance of anything being jarring enough to take me out of reading, it fit quite well.

>>377220462
Pretty much the only thing I genuinely like out of Zero is the absolute gutting Saber gets when she throws her reason for wanting the Holy Grail toward the banquet of kings. Just absolutely BTFO, and all she does is take it.

Even the nips don't think Nasu's writing is up to much, but it is at least unique enough to be worth noting. They complained about the writing in F/GO (if you can believe that people care for the story in a mobage) and Nasu had to step in and take over, which was met with positive results.
His writing has gotten better over time, DDD/SnS, Mayoho and CCC are generally solid improvements on his earlier work. Obviously it's still not amazing, but it has it's good points.
Utobuchi has a distinctly different style which makes for kind of odd results in F/Z, which makes it feel like an odd duck next to FSN. Neither of them are terrible writers though, really.

>>377220418

I started with the original VN last year, did the three routes, then watched Zero, then read HA.

I like Zero more than Fate and UBW. Fate is a complete drag save for the church basement scene near the end, UBW is only OK with the Archer fight and Lancer's death as high points. As for HF, it was torture having to go through all the unending wormslut plot but the Kirei and Avenger stuff elevated it above Zero.

HA was also pretty nice witht eh Bazzet/Avenger plot, a nice

All porn scenes were shit and dragged on until I got sick of them halfway. That, plus the exhausting amounts of filler kitchen conversations and generic teen romance probably made me find Zero more refreshing for lacking them.

>>377220253
>during that Takeuchi piped up saying
Why does Takeuchi ruin everything?

>>377221054
>DDD
Volume 3 when

>>377221216
>watched

>>377221271
He gave us the maids in tsuki, the man knows what he wants and gets it.

>reading VNs
Read a decent book instead you fucking hopeless weeb degenerates. If you really want to get into the Fate stuff just watch the new ufotable adaptation and don't listen to the "purists" that want you to go through that tedious garbage.

>People only like waifus and worldbuilding

Eh. Fate waifus are kinda meh, outside their designs, and I don't really care for worldbuilding if I don't give a shit about a single person in said world.

The only reason I care about fate is Shirou. If it had a more passive MC, I probably wouldn't care about it.

Takajun did a bang-up job on the VNs back then. He fucking plowed through Porkslope and Fate at high speed. Meanwhile B-L took 10 years to do Ataraxia--and it only came out because someone had enough of Jack dragigng ass and leaked the fucking thing so it wouldn't spend another year or two in limbo. and Commie are still pretending to work on Mahoyo, shorter than any of that, but >commie >doing anything besides taking someone else's subs and memeizing them. I don't think they even have any TLs on staff.

>>377221216
To each their own. At least you read the VN, so if you still liked zero, it's whatever. I still think the VN is better, but it comes down to taste at that point. I personally didn't have any real problems with any of the routes, they each have their of shortcomings and strengths, but then tend to balance out in the long run.

As for the sex scenes, can honestly legitimately say I enjoyed them for what they were. I thought they helped with character development, certainly the second Saber scene really showed how much her and Shirou cared for one another.

>>377221654
Last I heard the person translating sucks at English and so the script was damn near useless.

>>377220802
I think the issue was that the translation failed to convey the writing style or imagery with the over literal translations.

Not to mention, the translation skipped over the important ruby text that gave the alternate context to the actual meaning of words.

Fate/zero was actually good.

Fate/stay night was mediocre but had the better story


Fate/stay unlimited blade works also mediocre. had the best fights but a bad story + some bullshit like rider getting rekt and shirou winning and fighting against Gilgamesh who defeated the berserker with ease

>>377222218
>X had better story than Y
>Y was better than X

How? These works are nothing but story and characters

>>377222128
For sure you're going to lose the imagery, specific style of writing that an author uses in a translation. A really good translation will try to provide equivalents to convey the meaning, basically turning it into a whole new work from a writing standpoint, but that's inevitable with translations.

So yeah, I can see the criticism that the translation was overly stiff/literal, but I don't think it was as bad as people make it out to be. I personally prefer literal to more liberal translations, but even putting that aside, it was adequate in my opinion.

>>377221654
Takajun's an ESL who's bad at English though. What good is speed if the person translating it isn't competent?

>>377221054
>Mayoho
mahoyo is considered garbage by almost everyone i've asked about it

As an avid VN fan it is the single most boring one I've read. The series is truthfully overrated and the popularity is self sustaining because anyone who looks into trying a VN will end up finding this. It's not without some merit, but it's not amazing especially given the time invested required to fully experience the franchise.

>>377223476
>As an avid VN fan it is the single most boring one I've read.
sounds like you're pretty entry level if THAT'S the most boring vn you've ever read
regardless of how you feel about fate there is garbage that is far, far worse

>>377223342
He's an ESL, but native Japanese. So he wasn't bullshiting anything there. And his English was fine, honestly other than being a bit stiff here and there, wasn't an issue.

>>377223835
The thing with fate is that it severely overstays it's welcome and is unnecessarily long which makes it boring as fuck. Most (not all) shit that ends up getting an english translation is decent/somewhat interesting at worst though. I'm learning moon right now so I'll I'm sure I'll read some awful shit eventually that no one wanted to even translate.

>>377223456
Mahoyo was panned for being too short and having no voice acting whilst still being sold at full retail price for a major VN release. The actual quality of writing was better than most of Nasu's earlier work, certainly.

>>377221343
Never, realistically. It's so far down Nasu's list of priorities (below even Tsuki Remake and Mahoyo Part 2) that I'd be amazed if it'll ever see the light of day again. At least there was SnS and Kanata's heroine piece during the festival to remember it by.

>>377223876
>He's an ESL, but native Japanese. So he wasn't bullshiting anything there.
Again, that does nothing for me if I'm reading it in English. His English isn't good, which is the problem here.