really makes you think

>>377120314
youre like two fucking years late

i wish ow was more like tf2, its too restrictive. you play the same meta comp, run down the same choke, spam the same abilities, over and over. tf2 atleast had variety with the load outs and understands its casual. ow feels like playing competitive rock paper scissors even if the controls feel tighter

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OW is boring. Do not get the hype at all. It's way too slow and spammy by tf2 standards.

Here's how we save Overwatch from cancerous noskill attention whores:
>make characters purely cosmetic
>add weapons
>add vehicles, including aircraft
>add double-jumping, strafe-jumping, wall-jumping, and jumping using weapons
>add deathmatch and vehicle-centric modes
>remove leaderboards, crates, and nicknames
>add new maps, Q3A and UT remakes
>add singleplayer
>increase movement speed by 400%
>rename it Quakereal

OW would be better if it was a TF2 clone

>>377123085
OW would be better if it was a Team Fortress clone with conc jumping and other fun stuff.

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TF2 is literally the most autistic thing I've ever had the misfortune of seeing grow popular. It's more autistic than Minecraft, and that's a game where you build shit with coloured blocks.

It's incredibly amazing how fucking autistic any and every tf2 fan I've ever interacted with has been. Even the character models look fucking autistic and downie as fuck.

>>377124402
>I don't like thing
>Why?
>It's "autistic"
Jesus Christ, this is "comfy" levels of meaningless. Come back when you can formulate a proper complain

>>377124402
2007-2011 community was okay.
Anything past this is filled with autistic teenagers who think they're hot shit at this game because they have golden weapons and shiny unusual hats.

TF2 still has a place in my heart and I love the occasional pubstomping, but seeing how shitty the playerbase is right now makes me fucking sad.

>>377122230
>even if the controls feel tighter

OW is slow as and floaty. TF2's controls are tight as hell and a legitimate contender for one of the best movement systems in multiplayer FPS.

TF2 would not be as good as it was if rocket/sticky jumping were not as great s they are. I can confidently say, even pitted against stuff like TFC or Q3, TF2 has better rocket jumping.

>>377124818
Don't you have some LOL SCOUT memes to giggle at, autismo?

>>377125012
I gave up in 2009, but i agree, it became really weird just after a time

>>377125012
>>377125371
>yeah! it went to shit AFTER I left!
I love this meme

>>377120314
Blizzard has done nothing but copy games. The only remotely original thing they ever did was the Lost Vikings.

>>377123023
>rename it Quakereal
I lost so hard.

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>Don't you have some LOL SCOUT memes to giggle at, autismo?
he's not even coherent anymore

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>>377125368
Yikes, someone played the game once and sucked.

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>>377125668
>>377125821
>Playing meme fortress 2 when I can play tf classic

Haha
bonk

Never forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK9ya1vZZcU

>>377126041
>blizzard
>incapable of hiring good voice actors
holy shit that dva voice actor is brain dead. what work has she done before? some fucking fanmade anime dub?

>>377126567
It's likely they aren't doing live readings and just have the actors record lines separately, which is why in-game conversations always sound so stilted and awkward.

A lot of them are also pretty much actors that only get minor roles or do stuff like standup and theater.

There are some major VAs in the cast though. Matthew Mercer as McCree, Fred Tatasciore as Soldier 76, Keith Ferguson as Reaper, Paul Nakauchi as Hanzo, off the top of my head.

>>377125441
But I never left TF2, anon.
I still play it to this day, pubstomp people and get accused of cheating everytime.

The community is fucking garbage and there's no way to fix it.

>>377125441
No, it went to shit, THEN i left

I like Paladins more. Its the better TF2 clone.

Gotta love how everyone on /v/ is le epic 1337 pubstomper in TF2.

>>377125139
>I can confidently say, even pitted against stuff like TFC or Q3, TF2 has better rocket jumping.
It's because TF2's rocket jumping comes from old Quakeworld physics, so you get full air control while doing so and the increased height when crouching compared to GoldSrc.

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>>377127739
>Paladins
its barely ok and is an unbalanced mess

>>377125441
no, i left because it went to shit, you inverted the cause and effect

>>377127519
To be fair though, the game is almost hilariously rife with hackers. The only thing that's probably got worse hacking epidemics are CODs on last gen consoles.

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>>377124402
>everything i don't like is autistic

>>377126041

To be fair, TF2 is a game about two rich idiots hiring teams of psychopaths and lunatics to murder each other over gravel. Something of a different tone compared to "the world could use more heroes".

>>377123023

Glorious

>>377127739
>The better clone is literal p2w garbage

>>377128524
TF2's character banter and setting was superior to OW's since the day it came out, when it was just "RED vs BLU" without a hint of backstory beyond that.

To be frank most of the stuff they've added isn't actually that funny at all. Saxton Hale and everything related to him is just awful. That's why the best things are the shorts and comics when they focus on the classes themselves.

>>377128524
But even when the stuff is more "serious" the associated lines lack any impact. Soldier 76 and Reaper pretty much ruined each other's lives and what you get when killing the either can barely be called a pithy quip.

>>377129201

Point taken.

>>377123023
>make characters purely cosmetic
That defeats the point of a class-based FPS, faggot. Why do you even bother?

>>377123023
>add new maps, Q3A and UT remakes
>saving any game
IM TIRED OF YOU FAGGOTS, GIVE YOUR GAME AN IDENTITY INSTEAD OF JUST COPYING THE SAME MAPS EVERYONE HAS ALREADY PLAYED BEFORE A MILLION TIMES

>>377125987
>playing team fortress classic when you can play qwtf/megatf
both equally as dead but at least one isn't fucking goldsrc

>>377128720
>Saxton Hale and everything related to him is just awful.

The overly manly stuff is a tired shtick, but his interactions with Miss Pauling and the grill-desk exchange are TF2 writing in top form.

Why isn't Pharah as ubiquitous as Soldier?

*DOOOOOT*

Last one alive, lock the door!

I geniunely loved playing Overwatch for the first few months that it came out. Somewhere near the end of Season 1 it seemed to start to go to shit when you notice how you have to play in meta if you want to get beyond rank 80.
Ana was a cool addition but I think Sombra sucked and the newer character the introduced doesn't interest me.
It was the most fun I had a game in years but I can't bring myself to play it again.

>>377120960
Overwatch isn't even a year old fucktard

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>another OW sucks and TF2 is better thread
Y'know, the game would die a lot faster if you'd stop making hourly threads about it

>Blizzard steals a bunch of ideas from TF2
>Omg thank you based Blizzard best game ever made

>Paladins takes ideas from Overwatch and TF2
>LOOOOOOOL CLONE BOYCOT THIS SHIT Wow what scumbags
It's okay if Blizzard does it.

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>>377131974
TF2 has more more severe damage dropoff for all weapons that don't belong to Sniper.

Compare Solder 76 and McCree who can shoot across maps effectively.

So almost all TF2 combat takes place at mid-to-close range.

Overwatch characters also move much more slowly, and the difference between a character with a "fast" running speed like Tracer, and "slow" like the tanks is trivial.

The other half of it is the glut of abilities that stop gameplay. All the tanks have some kind of shield that trivialize attacks. Zarya has her bubbles, D.Va has the defense matrix, Winston, Reinhardt and Orisa all have barriers. Other characters have things like Tracer's "recall" which can trivialize her low health anyway, or Genji who basically has the pyro's airblast on training wheels, which he can cancel into a long range dash.

Pharah is also comparatively weaker in her current state. While her rockets don't really drop off like Soldier's, they really don't have a big splash that can clip people and scare off an approach. It's easy even as a slow character like Zenyatta to weave around a distant Pharah's rockets. She also can't really juggle outside of her cooldown-dependent conc blast.

Meanwhile once a Soldier(or Demoman) gets a hit on a Scout or Demo and successfully bounces them upwards, it can be a death sentence since a competent player can easily follow it up with another rocket, or a shotgun blast or even something like the notorious Reserve Shooter combo.

The niches in TF2 are also extremely well-defined, compared to Pharah where while she enjoys more use nowadays thanks to Mercy's buffs, there's really not many where you wouldn't be better off going with Soldier 76 or Tracer. Mercy and Pharah will always be tied together, but we're still in the Lucio/Ana era.

In TF2, Soldier/Demo/Scout excel in small skirmishes/duels like the standard competitive 6 vs 6, while specialists like Heavy or Engineer will thrive in 12 vs 12, hence rocket man dominance.

>>377120314
this is so true, because the person that copied took out all the depth and nuance the original had

TF2 is legitimately one of the best online games of all time. I truly do believe that.

>>377133720
Thanks for the write-up anon, I don't play enough OW to jump to my own conclusions about this. I'm guessing the prevalence of hits can makes her floating a lot more dangerous than Soldier's bombing.
Also sounds like Pharah has a Liberty Launcher desu.

>>377133685
No one ever said that.

>>377134041
More than a decade of being played is a testament to that.

>>377134112
Liberty Launcher is unironically my favorite rocket launcher.

>>377133720
Pharah also has "weaker" mobility. She can rapidly ascend and can do a Walmart rocket jump with her concussion blast, but the game puts a hard cap on max speed for this and you will rapidly decelerate.

Being in the air, away from the protection of tanks compromises her advantage of vertical superiority.

She also lacks comparative durability to Soldier who's only 2nd to Heavy in terms of how much damage he can soak up. Even if you don't kill her, it doesn't take too much concentration to scare off a Pharah, even if she's got Mercy in tow.

Compare that to "Roamer" Soldiers in competitive play. Look how much they rocket jump across small areas just to corner scouts or get around a demo's volleys. They often eschew shotguns for the Gunboats.

A competent rocket jumper can cross entire maps in a handful of seconds.

Yes, TF2 community is toxic at the moment but there are still pockets of decent servers. Personally I like to play payload, and I don't play for cosmetics.

Currently enjoying Scout and using Atomic Punch to distract sentries while the team pushes forward, incredibly versatile and powerful class if used correctly. I never really played Soldier but I'll be going for that next. BTW, I got the game when it was sold for 20$

>>377133027
You're a fucking retard, people been saying it before it was released.

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>>377120960
They should have copied a good game instead.

>>377134870
>never played soldier
>"i got the game when it was $20"
Nigga how did you just completely ignore an entire class?

>>377133685
It's not okay when anyone does it.
Not even TF2 since the game is shit.
Character based shooters are absolute cancer.

>>377135007
I didn't completely ignore it, I just didn't master rocket jumping. I couldn't appreciate the skill level it took to be a good soldier since most games are full of people who enjoy losing anyhow.

>>377134870
>TF2 community is toxic
>toxic
Ah yes, the word millenials use when they find someone very very mean on a multiplayer game that hurts their fee fees.
When will people stop being oversensitive manchildren?
Do we need another world war?

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>>377120314
Fuck off Randy, no one wants to play your shit game

>>377135192
>>When will people stop being oversensitive manchildren?

...

>>377135109
You don't even have to be good with soldier.

Overwatch is fun on KOTH maps
Payload and 2cp maps are absolute cancer

>>377120314
>shit company copies shit game of another shit company
really activates my almonds indeed

>>377135401
Every day the salt keeps flowing.

>>377135561
For most games, no not really. But if you would like to be an effective soldier that captures intel/pushes the payload as well as destroys sentries instead of limbo'ing as a team in a choke point then yeah... the classes take some skill.

I could be wrong but I believe people hated TF2 Competitive because of the skill ceiling that was actually involved, since it went F2P it really attracted a lot of communities that aren't really gamers in the first place.

>>377133720
The one thing that turns me off from TF2 is that there isn't really any reliable mid-range weapon. Just shotguns, inaccurate pistols, and projectiles.

>>377124402
>...literally the most autistic...
>...It's more autistic...
>...how fucking autistic...
>...look fucking autistic...
Did you learn a new word today?

>>377135890
But that's the point, mid-range capabilities are limited to give the classes definition. Otherwise you end up with Overwatch.

>>377135890
Direct Hit?

>>377136194
>>377124402
Its like those kids in middleschool that call anything they dont like gay, just for them to become huge faggots in college

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>>377136415
maybe >>377124402 will turn out to be (more) autistic in college

>>377136791
Its quite possible that he's already diagnosed on the spectrum, depending on how much money or effort his family can invest on his retarded kid's ass he might end up less autistic or at least can get a job at whataburger

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>>377137020

>>377137020
>can get a job at whataburger
I fucking hate how whataburger decided to hire a bunch of autists, most of them look disgusting and smell like BO, I know they dont get jobs where they touch the food, but goddamn it

I hope the guy behind autist hiring gets fired

>>377137708
IIRC the owner's son was diagnosed with autism back in the 90s, and he didnt got the help he needed, so he killed himself a couple of years ago, so he decided to hire autists so many of them would not end up like his son

I know they are disgsting people to be around, but at least they have a job and contribute to society, and just like you said, they dont touch the food, they only hold janitorial jobs, give them a chance

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>>377120314
overatch added waifus to the hero shooting genre, its enough of an innovation to secure its place as one of the most succesful vidyas in the past years

"I main Engineer"

[audience laughs]

>>377133720
>Compare Solder 76 and McCree who can shoot across maps effectively.
Wrong. McCree and Soldier tickle people at long range. That's why Pharah+Mercy is such a problem.

>>377139153
>sluts with zero personality
>waifus
dude you can fap to them all you want it doesn't make them worthy of being a waifu.

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>>377140374
>go engie every time i play ctf_turbine
>gunslinger + shotgun + pistol
>mostly just jump around shooting people with shotgun like a slow scout
>bumrush people who walk into my mini sentry fire and they don't know who to shoot at
>spy gets mad and complains in chat about the 'shotgun spamming engie'
it's great

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>>377139153
Waifus are supposed to be pretty and have a personality that you find attractive too, someone you would actually want to date. Overwatch girls are just pretty.

>>377141103
>Overwatch girls are just pretty.
OW girls are Pixar style abominations and only 90s kids and younger retards would like them.

>>377120314
the ow characters look like cardboard cut outs

>>377142042
It's to match their personalities.

>>377141103
the only overwatch girl that is slightly attractive is D.Va

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>>377142042
>like cardboard cut outs
From different games. The lack of homogeneity is disgusting.

>>377135890
the fact that there is no assault rifle class is the best part of TF2

>>377142215
What I don't understand is why people give a fuck about characters in a multiplayer game.
What's the point?
Who gives a shit?
Why do they waste money on character design and ''writing'' if its a multiplayer game?

>>377142042
Are you implying TF2's don't?
They are both creatively bankrupt, cheap lol so wacky xD designs to pander to the Reddit audience.

>>377142849
Why even bother making maps look nice, or the player models either for that matter.

Every multiplayer game should just be a bunch of stickmen in a black and white world that's nothing but cubic geometry.

>>377142849
Because video games are more than just raw gameplay. Only on /v/ do you meet idiots who try to deny such simple facts.

>>377143134
Most multiplayer games have thrived without this fucking cancer of ''muh characters'' for years with no problems.
The only thing they do is pander to autismos and swarm threads with waifufags.
A waste of their money and a waste of our time.

>>377143235
>Because video games are more than just raw gameplay
Multiplayer games are precisely raw gameplay.
Everything else is 100% pointless.

>>377143235
What do characters and lore add to these multiplayer shooters?

>>377143298
>Only on /v/ do you meet idiots who try to deny such simple facts
Exhibit A.

>>377143534
404: argument not found.
Could you give a single reason to have characters in multiplayer games, or are you just going to repeat
>LOOK, THIS GUY KNOWS THIS HAHA
over and over?

>>377143072
I'm sure that's what they had in mind when they designed the characters in the mid-2000s.

>>377120314
OW has decent porn, that's it.
Both games are worthless, only played by underage brazilians and have the potential to harm the FPS genre far more than Call of Duty or Battlefield.

>>377140741
Battle engie is so much fun.

>>377143629
Your argument against it is "wasted resources" which conveys nothing save for your double digit IQ.

Take Overwatch and make it about stick figures fighting in cp_orange. Do you honestly think the game would get even 1% of its actual sales in that state?

>>377143732
Indeed, which is why TF2 and Overwatch spawned two of the most cancerous fanbases ever.
These two games should have never existed.

Tf2 will be better once they nerf the soldier. Class has ruined the game since day one. But because the developers play it, they nerf every class except it. Such a disgusting tactic.

>>377143298
>Most multiplayer games have thrived without this fucking cancer of ''muh characters'' for years with no problems.
Still, people like cohesive aesthetics. I don't want a dragon, next to a cyborg,a clown, some SS officer, a viking, and astronaut and, since we are in the current year, a black tranny around.

>>377143917
>Do you honestly think the game would get even 1% of its actual sales in that state?
I don't because these character based videogames are always boring as fuck.
Then again, when someone sells a multiplayer videogame based on anything but gameplay, you know it's a failure.
Hopefully i'll get to see both TF2 and Overwatch die.

>>377144089
>people like cohesive aesthetics
Those people who care about anything but gameplay in a multiplayer game should find another hobby.

>>377144207
Totally, every game after pong was a mistake.

>>377144293
Oh no, aesthetics, story and characters can matter in other genres, such as RPGs, but in multiplayer games they have no place whatsoever and the only thing they do is become a black hole formed entirely of cancer, TF2, Paladins and Overwatch prove it.

>>377144089
>people like cohesive aesthetics
No, from what i've seen from TF2 and OW threads they like le epic as fuck le waifus and le wacky Joss Whedon quips.

>>377144417
>I'm le true gameplay gamer
Say what you want, but I won't play Quake 3 if the only 2 skins were The cybernetic shit golem and The tranny biker nor you would do.

>>377144590
>TF2
>waifus

>Joss Whedon
Who?

>>377144672
No, because Quake, unlike TF2 and OW, is made by talented developers, they don't need pathetic gimmicks like characters and lore to sell a goddamn multiplayer game.

>>377144847
I'm referring to both OW and TF2.
OW has the waifu cancer.

>Joss Whedon
The epitome of le wacky quirky humor which people seem to love from TF2.

>>377144860
>Quake, unlike TF2 and OW, is made by talented developers
Not anymore.

>pathetic gimmicks like characters and lore
And how's that related to cohesive aesthetics. Are you some sort of bot that repeats inane "I'm le gamer" sentences?

>>377144968
People loved TF since it was a Quake mod, you double scrub.

>>377145178
>Not anymore.
True, was.

>And how's that related to cohesive aesthetics
They make as much sense as the other.
Nothing but gameplay matters in a multiplayer game, that's why actually well made multiplayer games simply don't care about that.
Multiplayer games made by talentless hacks, obvious, do need aesthetics because they can't sell the game on it's own since the gameplay is always shallow and depthless.
And no, rocket jumping is not depth.

>>377145178
>People loved TF since it was a Quake mod
And back when it was a Quake mod it barely had any characters or lore, just different classes.
TF2 is the one that introduced all the cancer.

>>377145353
Again, if in Quake 3 half of the map looked like Quake 2l, the other half like WoW and the railgun were replaced with the turd launcher, it wont be that popular.

>>377145448
And how's that related to cohesive aesthetics? Are you trying to agree with me or argue with me?

You both faggots make no sense.

>>377145984
>Again, if in Quake 3 half of the map looked like Quake 2l, the other half like WoW and the railgun were replaced with the turd launcher, it wont be that popular.
That's false though.
Because it's a game that people loved because it's fun, no other reason.
If you remove aesthetics from TF2 and Overwatch, you have nothing at all.

>>377146238
are you saying quake has no aesthetics
are you saying people didn't play quake because it looked cool at the time

>>377146452
No, they didn't.
I've never heard anyone say they liked Quake 3's aesthetics, which is fine, it's a multiplayer videogame, it doesn't need anything else.

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>>377146238
>nothing at all

I don't understand.

>>377146532
>muh anecdotal evidence

>>377146238
Dude, if you take a good game (in this example quake) and turn it into a disgusting aesthetic aberration, people won't like it.

>if you remove the aesthetics of the most played mod of quake, you have nothing at all
Real talk now, are you legally retarded or just shitposting?

>>377146670
> if you take a good game (in this example quake) and turn it into a disgusting aesthetic aberration, people won't like it.
And the way to do that is by ruining Quake 3's gameplay, for example, by making it a slower game.

>if you remove the aesthetics of the most played mod of quake
Are you actually, unironically implying Team Fortress 2 plays anything like Quake?
I'll make the same question to you, then.

>>377129786
the bait worked

>>377146650
Wait, you have people that played Quake because of it's aesthetics instead of gameplay?
Could you please check that they are not brain damaged, please?

>>377146948
Above all else, Quake was praised for its cutting edge 3D graphics at the time.

>>377124818
its autistic because the player base is filled with under-age meme spouters and bronies. a type of people who are statistically more likely to be on the spectrum. also the laughable fact that people who played TF2 think OW is over-casualized when they probably werent even born when TF2 came out. so they dont remember back when people were laughing at TF2 for being overcasualized version of TFC.

>>377146758
Are you actually, unironically implying that you don't noticed that I was talking about TF and not TF2 for the last 3 or 4 post?
Guess I already got my answer, tardo.

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>>377127739
yes

>>377147070
There's a difference between graphics and aesthetics.
Did someone praise Quake's 'artstyle', if there's something like that?

>>377147167
>I was talking about TF
Ah yes, a game with no lore and no artstyle, just different classes.
Nothing wrong with it.

>>377147245
And here I thought OW and TF2 had atrocious character design.

>>377147070
q1? it was the non-2d physics and multiplayer godliness that won over people more than anything, the graphics were just an added bonus

>>377147258
>Did someone praise Quake's 'artstyle', if there's something like that?
Of course, the lovecraftian creatures and cyber-medieval aesthetics got a lot of praise. The problem was the monocrhomatic levels due to limited palette and the low resolutions most video cards pulled at the time, which made it look worse than Duke 3D.

>>377147258
>Did someone praise Quake's 'artstyle', if there's something like that?
Yes, Quake 1 style was praised a lot and keep in high regards even nowadays.

Now, do us a favor and kys yourself.

>>377147426
>the lovecraftian creatures and cyber-medieval aesthetics got a lot of praise
Seems like the cancerous audience TF2 and OW have has existed for a long time, hope they disappear one day and they stop ruining the videogame industry.

>>377147448
>kys
Could you please stop using reddit-speak?
I don't want this place to be filled with people who use asterisks instead of greentexting.

>>377147554
Seems like you're fresh out of arguments and are trying to compare it to much later games which have nothing in common with it. Are you always this stupid?

>>377147703
Considering you are now thrown into namecalling, seems like you don't have any arguments either.
I'll just sit tight and see how both TF2 and Overwatch die out and stop infecting this industry with cancer.

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>TF2
>Overwatch
>Paladins
>Dirty Bomb

>>377147804
You mean by having literally 100 times more active players than Quake, Unreal or any other "pure" FPS you seem to obsess over?

>>377147804
>Considering you are now thrown into namecalling
>Seems like the cancerous audience TF2 and OW have has existed for a long time
Apparently, you also have the attention span of a sea urchin.

>>377148032
Oh no, those games died for a good reason.
Now it's the time for the newer ones to die, too.

>>377148221
So no, not arguments aside from namecalling.
Excellent.

>>377148363
Which you started, but forgot immediately after due to ADD. How convenient.

While the classes and distinctive silhouettes are there, there are a lot of differences in how the games practically play. The ult system alone, for better and for worse, is much more polarizing in terms of the flow of the matches.

Tf2 > Paladins > Memewatch
No need to reply because this is a fact

>>377143512
Recognizable character models and silhouettes. This allows players as well as newcomers to instantly recognize the characters role in gameplay. For instance, the Heavy in TF2 is a big guy that wears an ammo belt. From that, anyone can recognize that he is probably tough to fight and uses powerful automatic weaponry even if they didn't know his name was Heavy Weapons Guy. The problem with Overwatch is that their character designs don't indicate their characters role in the team, only what their "theme" is.

>>377150325
Trash > Team Reddit 2 > cheap TF2 clone = expensive TF2 clone

>>377150594
So yes, character design is pointless and a massive waste of budget.

>>377150813
Only when their design fails to indicate or confuses players about what they do in game.

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>>377150620
>i want something to look bad so i will use the reddit boogeyman

eric,seemble epin

>make thread about why I don't like overwatch
>there is actually some good discussion going
>it gets deleted

I thought you guys were joking about shills.

>>377150594
>mcree
>gun slinger guy

>mercy
>healer

It's pretty self explanatory anon.

>>377151106
Why would it need indications about anything?
Or is it just because the people playing these games are 100% braindead?

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>TF2 invented co-op arena shooters

>>377151296
All Team Fortress 2, Overwatch and Paladins threads should issue a permanent ban.

>all these TF2 cucks
only way the game is enjoyable is if you get friends to play with you but that makes any game enjoyable

literally just idle for hats and shit to sell and when you're tired of that move on to another game

>>377151681
>the lead designer of Overwatch publicly sucked off TF2 calling it one of the greatest games ever

>>377151774
Which is why Overwatch is garbage too.

>>377151580
>you should be banned for discussing video games

>>377151774
overwatch isn't that good either

>>377151872
You should be banned for discussing cancer.

>>377151890
>>377151805
what multiplayer fps should I have been playing from 2007-2013?

Heres to hoping Quake Champions will somewhat redeem the online FPS genre

>>377133414
go fuck yourself Blizzdrone

>>377152282
LOL

>>377152116
None.

>>377152282
>Bethesda presents Quake Fortress 2: Championwatch
No.

>>377151907
So we should just ban all AAA video game discussion then? I consider it all cancer so...

>>377150594
Without the snipers gun you can't tell what he's supposed to do. See, it goes both ways.

>>377151483
Because your too braindead to be talking about video games.

>>377152116
Battlefield.

>>377152492
Not Triple A games, just post 2007 games.

i'm honestly surprised you goys bought into the overwatch meme
how have you not seen this
blizzard's entire company is run on stolen ideas

>see popular game
>take it any baby-fy it or mix it with another genre
>blam 100% legit blizz OC

the fact they copied tf2 was purely to spite valve over the Dota 2 incident
If valve lost that lawsuit you can bet your candy ass this game wouldn't exist

>>377152528
I had already played battlefield when it released. Its boring my dude.

>>377152116
BF3. That game still has a ton of active servers.

>>377152770
And it's still garbage like all BF games after 2142.

>>377152528
you mean the first thing you see him holding, and is holding by default?
you mean the thing he's holding in his character preview? that gun
or the fact he's called "the sniper"
oh gee he must be the guy that builds turrets! xd

>>377120314

As someone who's put a lot of hours into both TF2 and Overwatch, while they have their similarities they play quite differently in my opinion.

>>377152570
>he didn't play rocket league
it was the best online multiplayer video game by like a factor of 10

>>377152984
this site requires you to be over 18 to post

>>377152917
Overwatch basically stole a bunch of tf2's ideas and put them in something that's closer to a moba than a fast paced FPS

>>377153052
>no argument
So I've won the debate. Good day sir. The only people who don't like rocket league never played it

>>377153087

I still enjoy both from time to time for different reasons, TF2 is generally a bit more laid back and it's ridiculously easy to dominate and carry in TF2.

>>377152917
Overwatch ain't bad but it's too repetitive and there's not much to do.

>>377153179
>>377153052

>>377152770
>you should have played an EA game instead

>>377153264
>he doesn't have $20
>Overwatch literally designed for kids doesn't imply underage but rocket league does
lemme guess because le guns xd. Again let me reiterate, literally the only people who don't like rocket league never played it. It's that good

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IT'S BEEN ONE YEAR VALVEBROS

ONE FUCKING YEAR, AND BLIZZARD'S HEINOUS CRIME AGAINST THE GREATEST SHOOTER OF ALL TIME STILL GOES UNPUNISHED

I SPENT SO MUCH ON TF2, AND BLIZZARD JUST STEALS IT AND ADDS LIBERAL KEK SHIT AND MOBA SHIT AND CASUAL SHIT AND GETS SO MUCH MORE MONEY THAN VALVE EVER DID

I TELL MYSELF THAT TF2 IS THE SAME... I TRY ALL THE TIME.... BUT THEN I LOG IN AND SEE HUNDREDS OF TRADE SERVERS FILLED WITH FURRY RPERS AND THIRD WORLDERS. I SEE VALVE FORCING MATCHMAKING AND TRYING TO PIGEONHOLE DIFFERENT CLASSES INTO NARROW GAMEPLAY STYLES TO RECOVER FROM WHAT BLIZZARD DID. I SEE THE VOICE ACTING GET WORSE AND WORSE. IT'S NOT THE SAME, BROS.

AND IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF BLIZZARD AND THEIR ARMY OF SHIT EATERS, WHO STOLE EVERYTHING FROM TF2 AND GOT EVERY FUCKING GOTY AWARD FROM THE CUNTS IN THE GAMING MEDIA

IT'S NOT FAIR

>>377152984
I have, for about 3 hours before dropping it.

>Shitting on tf2's aesthethic
For what purpose? The game's artstyle is fantastic, ignoring of course the retarded promo hats, unusuals and painted weps

>>377126041
Heh, that's pretty good.
OW has its moments though, like Tracer mocking Reaper's "death comes".

>>377152282
>Having to buy characters
>Good

I don't think so.

>>377153087
>closer to a MOBA
What?

>>377153503
Yeah, that generic cartoony DUDE 50'S LMAO artstyle is absolutely ebin.

>>377153465
>GETS SO MUCH MORE MONEY THAN VALVE EVER DID
blizzard spent like straight up a billion dollars on just the development of OW. Valve made so much money off of TF2, CS:GO, and DOTA they literally decided they had won the video game world and moved on to bigger and more profitable ventures.

>>377128720
>character banter
This is why these turds are so fucking cancerous.
Did Marvel movies do so much damage that even multiplayer games need epic as fuck quips?

>>377153482
>no proof
>no argument
>inb4 its repetitive
like I said I know you're lying because literally no one dislikes it.

>>377153742
This is the reason why Valve stopped making games.

>>377153742
>blizzard spent like straight up a billion dollars on just the development of OW
So Overwatch is the most expensive piece of media ever, costing the same as GTA V, The Force Awakens, Avengers 2 and Batman v Superman put together?

>>377120314
we get it, tf2 copied overwatch, fuck off

>>377153710
The game takes place in 1968 according to the in game spawn calendars.

>>377127434
So they hire all the major voice actors for the six characters that they're going to use while the rest of the characters get B-list voices. Gotcha.

>>377153742
>When you literally have so much passive income from sales and skins you don't need to do anything.

I seriously hope Valve loses a couple hundred million dollars, so they panic and start making shit again.

>>377153590
have you never applied your critical thinking skills to overwatch?

>>377153710
I do wonder if I'm going to see some actual arguments instead of "ebin" memes and all caps ironic speak
It's pleasing to the eye while being simple
The characters are also immediately recognizable at first glance and so are their team colors

>>377153928
Ah yes, one of those redditors who unironically considers
>W-WO YOU ARE A CONTRARIAN
a valid argument.
I'll consider this conversation over, but nice try.

>>377154131
>It's pleasing to the eye while being simple
>The characters are also immediately recognizable
This is the standard for ''great'' artstyle in videogames, the same way a videogame with the plot of an average superhero movie that's not completely packed with contradictions is considered a masterpiece.
This industry is a fucking joke.

>>377154109
Yeah, so they start making more multiplayer games filled with cosmetics.
Or maybe even make another tech demo with the name of Half Life.

>>377153742
>blizzard spent like straight up a billion dollars on just the development of OW
You mean project Titan, right? OW is just the scraps, saved assets and marketing.

>>377154118
You don't need those in Overwatch.

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>>377154303

>>377154024
Well it was in development for like 5 years before it was even being developed as OW, So yeah I imagine it was really fucking expensive. Not to mention the marketing budget. They aired a commercial during the fucking superbowl.

I imagine TF2 had quite a lot of money spend on it as well Valve had nearly a finished Aliens vs humans game for TF2 in like 03

>falling for the hollyjew production budget meme
Movies don't actually cost 250 million+ that's just how they screw over the US governement on taxes and shit.

>>377154498
if your critical thinking skills ever turn off you might need to go b2r

>>377154528
>So yeah I imagine it was really fucking expensive
Final Fantasy XV spent 10 years in development, had multiple games, even a movie, just as marketing.
And it made at 7 million copies sold it was considered a success.

>Movies don't actually cost 250 million+
I don't give a fuck, that's the money they spent.
So, are you trying to tell me that Overwatch is the single, most expensive piece of media in history?

>>377153449
I'm not the first guy you were bitching at
i just wanted to call you a child for liking a meme game
nice salt though

>>377154118
What do those have to do with that?
A MOBA is played from a top view.
This is a shooter with abilities.
By that logic, the last two COD games are MOBAs too.

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>>377120314
>people are still arguing over over TF2 vs OW even though neither is really worth playing at this point
>TF2 is a bloated husk of its former self that barely even runs anymore and has nowhere to go but down
>OW is a restrictive, shallow, frustrating mess that fails as both a serious competitive game and as a fun casual game, full of fundamentally bad design choices and characters that are designed from the ground up to prevent fun
>tfw I can play unfinished free 2 play garbage like Paladins and Dirty Bomb and still have a better time than I would with TF2 or OW
>tfw people give Paladins shit for ripping off OW, but Paladins actually handled some of OW's characters better than OW

>>377154904
>the view makes the genre!
you're funny kid

>>377154812
>salt
nice reddit meme. I imagine this thread is linked on /r/overwatch which is how you got here.

>>377120314
why'd you post a normie meme?

>>377154940
>i want to play overwatch but i can't afford it
get a job

>>377154940
Wew lawdy, just how edgy can we get?

>>377154940
>Paladinsfag thinking anyone cares about what he has to say

>>377155005
So yes, Black Ops 3 is a MOBA.

"only one game can play like this"
Lol

>>377154940
>my cheap, P2W clone of TF2 is better than TF2 and the expensive clone of TF2
Don't you have to bump your dead general?

>>377154904
>>377155397
yeah your perspective is absolutely the only thing that matters in determining a genre.

Morrowind is an FPS, Bloodborne is a 3rd person shooter and Dota2 is a twinsticks shootemup

>>377155069
I did buy Overwatch, and I want my money back.
>>377155134
Stop shitposting.
>>377155162
Out of the four, I think I actually prefer Dirty Bomb at this point.

>>377155492
>redditor who can't even greentext and unironically uses 'lol' thinks he has anything of value to say

>>377155492
the sad part is the gameplay isn't remotely similar.

OW did directly steal several ideas from TF2 but fuck man everyone stole TF2's payload idea, and as we can see with the new """""Hero Shooter""""" genre which are all basically doing their best to copy the design documents of an incredibly profitable game

>>377155495
I know they're all just TF2 clones, that's my point.
TF2 has fallen so hard that the f2p clones have started to outpace it.

>>377155916
>the f2p clones have started to outpace it.
No, they haven't, much less Paladins.

>>377155769
>that fedora guy who stills play tf2
>he sits on trade servers all day selling hats and cosmetic items
>"hurray for me!"

o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK9ya1vZZcU

>>377153837
How new are you?

>>377156000
I think all of these games are garbage for redditors.
I'm calling you out because you are obviously new to this place and don't even know how to type and format posts properly.

When are they going to make Team Fortress 3?

>>377156226
Valve don't make games anymore

>>377156226
Not now that everybody is releasing their own TF2 clone.

>>377152528

Sniper's dressed like a hunter, which is apt for the guy who is out of sight and deadly in few shots

>>377156226
game has like 10 people working on it
2 of them being actual programmers
not in our lifetime

>>377125987
Glad that this berthold shitskin died. What hypocrit.

>>377144417
What about a game like Marvel vs Capcom or Super Smash Brothers, the characters are the main selling point of the game

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>>377120314
>When you copy but decide to do extra credit to get an even higher grade

>>377160770
Yeah, Valve did a great job porting Team Fortress to TF2.