Fire emblem thread

>>377115063
They are absolutely worse than Fates. Simply put

>Conquest has great gameplay but shit story
>SoV has a great story but shit gameplay

Also I wouldn't say the characters are 'great'. They are less gimmicky but most are also rather bland and underdeveloped.

>>377115536
I fell as if people saying conquest has great gameplay is a bit much but, whatever. How and why and what makes Echoes gameplay worse? No pairing and forced children is a step up in my opnion. If only they can bring back weapon degradation.

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The map design is worse than Fates but the rest of the gameplay mechanics are a lot better.

Archers in general are better and mages aren't so broken anymore.

I'm also not forced into turning half of my army into backpacks like in Fates.

>>377116195
Ok so its just the map design is kinda bad. What makes it bad? Are the maps really hard/unfair or just kinda bland and boring? One of my favorite maps in FE is the "light tower" one in FE6 where this mages keep on pelting you with light magic. Shits tense as fuck. I love FE6 alot

>>377115063
Eh I'm most buying it for the story anyway. Gameplay does look simpler but it's interesting to me since I haven't played an FE before FE7.

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>>377116443
The game is bit too loyal to Gaiden in regards to map-design. They remade pic-related tile for tile in Echoes. And although they try to amend this by changing how ranged units fight (like making archers inherently have longer range and the ability to fight back in close combat or making mages lose hp when they attack), it still won't fix the fact that most of the maps are fucking flat as hell.

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>>377115760
The removal of the weapon triangle also makes it so that archers are shit again despite having 5 range. Also no status debuffs and the AI is retarded again like pre-Conquest games,

Don't know why but I'm excited about it. Is it a great FE game? Maybe not but the idea of a much smaller story interest me and I'm really hopeful that FE4 and 5 are next.

>>377117331
From what I can gather Gaiden was the marmite of the series: some loved it some hated it

>>377117009
>no weapon triangle
what the fuck? Maybe I won't get this game after all. And ill just stick to the older titles I guess.

>>377117446
It's a faithful remake for better/worse I guess. The only thing they seem to add are support and some tinkering with some of the mechanics but nothing as big as adding the triangle.

>>377117426
Haven't really touched the NES game since I feel I really would hate the UI and other QoL so I can't say what my feelings toward Gaiden. Seem the main issue are maps which I get. But I am interested in how it honestly feels like and honestly happy IS is doing the whole Echoes line.

>>377117446
Yeah the series didn't introduce the weapon triangle until Genealogy so just wait until they do a Genealogy remake if you like that mechanic (if SoV manages to be successful enough to convince IS to remake Genealogy)

Which game would you guys rather they had remade?

>>377118093
Why did they descide to remake what most fans considered one of the worst FE games?
>>377118139
FE4 or FE5 since the translations are still garbage. FE4 is my second favorite.

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>>377118139
Genealogy my nigga

Whole reason why I'm buying instead of pirating SoV despite having a hacked 3DS is just so I can see that game get remade

>>377118332
It seems IS wants to remake the series working their way up from the beginning. They already remade Marth's story with Shadow Dragon and New Mystery of the Emblem, so logically Gaiden is next

>>377118139
6/7 duology
If they gotta start from the bottom though then whatever. I liked Gaiden and love Echoes

>>377118139
FE 4 or 5 since it's the one that both haven't been out here and also seriously needs a localization (since both fan translations are shit with 5 being pretty much illegible at times). Also adding pair up in FE4 with it's giant maps would be a god spend to me. Do wonder if they are going to change anything in FE5 to make it easier or will they keep the difficulty and just put in the QoL that the newer games have.

>Fire Emblem Echoes could have been held back by its need to usher the second iteration back into the fold, but it still feels like a fresh new entry. It is weaker than the last few games, but those bars were set so high that I won't hold that against it.
Ahahahah oh fuck off reviewers.

>>377116195
but archers were great in fates and mages were shit
what the fuck are you smoking

>>377118139
I want each jap only game to come here,but I really really want 8 with an MU,new difficulty, and waifu stuff

>>377118780
Meh, I'd rather IS just adds Rescue to Genealogy. Pair up ruins gameplay by turning half your army into stat backpacks for your other half.

>>377116195
>Archers in general are better and mages aren't so broken anymore
Is this a fucking joke
HAVE YOU FUCKERS EVEN PLAYED FATES, THEY ARE ONE OF THE FEW FE GAMES WHERE ARCHERS ARE ACTUALLY USEFUL

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>>377119228
>>377119457
I mixed the wording up. My bad.

>>377118780
Fuck the paring system honestly.

>>377119284
Fates pair-up is one of the best mechanics they added to the series. Makes unit positioning even more important and having enemies abuse it doesn't make it so that the player as such a large advantage.

>>377119457
What made them even that good in the first place.

>>377120456
Finally adding them to the triangle for one. Also there seem to be a few arts that helps. Takumi is one of the strongest character in that game.

>>377120456
They're basically long range axes units with high accuracy.

>>377120785
Oh so with "archers" you specifically mean "snipers", not just any bow user.

>>377120456
Bows were added into the weapon triangle and were strong weapons and the archers you got in general were good units.
It also helps(?) that magic got completely shit on.

>>377120890
>It also helps(?) that magic got completely shit on.
Just because of the low might of tomes or for some other reason?

>>377120880
Bows were actually legit strong weapons in Fates along with axes, if not stronger. Unlike axes though they didn't have low hit to offset this.
The archers were also decent to good units.

>>377120880
Archers are good in general. Mozume, Takumi, and Setsuna are units worth using.

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Post your favorite FE map since Echoes has shit-tier maps

>>377121090
Tomes were weak and had a lot of bullshit after effects. Like, who the fuck would use Speed Thunder?
It also didn't help that your mage units in general were really shit besides Leo.

>>377121197
Only bows are more accurate than axes but the only half decent bow user is Niles, yumis are as bad as axes and that's what you'll have to use in BR unles you mess around with MyCastle.

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>>377121484
This map was so good they reused it in Fates and Awakening

>>377121525
It's still generally a good idea to keep a magic unit around just in case a low res enemy shows up. Fates turned mages into a niche class instead of an all-around nuke class with no weaknesses like Awakening (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).

>>377115063
>>377115760
>No pairing and forced children is a step up in my opnion.
Pair-Up in Fates was a good mechanic and children are completely optional, how are they "forced"?

>How bad and are they worse then fates?
Conquest's maps take a fat shit on Gaiden, Gaiden has some of the worst maps in the series. Completely uninspiring and not difficult at all.

FE2 is a game that's already fucking out. You could do the bare minimum of research and know this.

>>377117009
>Supportss are a shit shot

No kidding. Lukas has only one fuckign support for some reason.

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>>377117009
Weapon Triangle in Gaiden would be pointless because there's no playable axe users.

>>377117446
Gaiden NEVER had Weapon Triangle retard.

>>377121923
>Awakening
uh?

>>377122641
how about

like

you fucking re introduce axes

>>377122665
I made a mistake, I was thinking of another map.

>>377122509
I really want to see how they handle FE5. Outside of Gaiden FE5 is such a weird thing that gets even weirder in Tear Ring Saga.

>>377115536
I thought Fates gameplay was ruined by the fact that it was comically easy

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>>377122759
This has to be bait right? Because you'd be changing the entire fucking game and introducing game-defining mechanics that the game was not built for. This isn't as simple as putting in a rescue movement in FE4 or something to help mitigate map size.

Do you people want faithful remakes or not? You'd all be flipping your shit if they made FE4 and 5 more like Awakening/Fates. Don't make massive changes to Gaiden.

>>377119271
Fuck off

>>377122759
Axes do exist in Gaiden already retard. They belong to an enemy only class and you'd have to do far more than just adding one or two characters or shrinking maps for the game to accommodate them and the weapon triangle.

>everyone told me to promote the villagers right away in my nip run
>realized you can grind in the Thief's Shrine easy in my eng run
>get all of them to 20 and promote
>now Alm doesn't have to carry everyone
Faye has 14 res and 23 atk as a cleric and archer Tobin can actually hit shit what the fuck. Game is bad btw OP. Don't kid yourself.

>>377122759
>expecting IS to remake a game well without some monkey's paw effect going on

lol

>people actually asking for Geneology

FE4 is piss easy.

FE5 or nothing.

>>377123116
>Do you people want faithful remakes or not
No. This is way everyone hates Echoes and Shadow Dragon. Instead of being faithful, they should make a good game first.

>>377123446
I just want to experience the big country-wide maps again.

>>377123116
>>377123235
I don't honestly see what would be so complicate about adding some new character and switching one of the 1000 mercenaries to a (not) new fighter class. Sounds to me they were just too lazy and they preferred to literally copypaste everything from Gaiden.

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>>377121484
>reinforcements from behind
>have to defend tahra with glade and generic units made of paper

and also >>377122509 which comes right after. it's just a very solid pair of back to back maps. sadly I can't enjoy modern fire emblem because i've been spoiled

>>377115063
Currently near the end of Chapter 2. I don't think the gameplay is bad, but it's definitely different. It feels less like traditional Fire Emblem and leans more towards the RPG side. Maps are definitely bland, but I haven't run into anything egregious yet. Overall I'm enjoying it a lot, but it's definitely not for everyone.

>>377123467
>Shadow Dragon
>Faithful

If Shadow Dragon was faithful then Clerics wouldn't even be able to get exp from healing and half of the classes couldn't even promote. Not to mention that it added weapon triangle, gaiden missions, reclassing and supports (but no conversations).

>>377115063
>Favourite FE4
Now I know you have shit taste.

>>377120456
Mini Bows, Sidelong Yumi and Shining Bow

>>377123579
What new thing would an axe user bring to the table aside from just being dread fighters with a different weapon? The class pool might be small, but each of them have a clearly defined role and I don't see what axe users can bring to the table that other classes can't already do. I think Alm could do with some of Celica's dread fighters since she has so much, but aside from that I don't think there is anything wrong with the way weapons and classes work.

>>377125512
Having a working weapon triangle would be enough of an improvement.

>>377121525
Literally not the main problem here, that main problem lies with your availible magic users with the only decent ones being Elise, Leo and possibly Sakura, also Hayato in Revelations.

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you never listen anti-waifu fags that's what you get for acting the micky. enjoy your last retro shitblem from now on its all about avatars and waifu's.
NEVER FORGET THAT AWAKENING SAVED THE FRANCHISE YOU PATHETIC NOSTALGIA FAGS.

>>377123015
that's non-conquest fates

>>377125781
The game isn't built around the weapon triangle. It's built around the terrain. The whole point is the take advantage of it as much as possible while blasting magic at the foes who are on it. Besides the weapon triangle starts to mean very little when your units get going. I know for sure that no one gives a fuck if they are pitting someone like Hector, Ike, Ryouma or Xander against a foe that have a weapon strong against theirs because of just how strong those characters are. The only time I ever gave a shit is near the start when everyone is weak or if the enemy has a breaker skill.

>>377126201
Anon, 99% of the thread has been about gameplay and map design. Can we please keep it that way?

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>>377119012
fucking normalfags ruining this franchise. I knoe echoes may not be very appealing for casuals but true emblem fans will buy and support it. DO IT FOR FE4

>>377126648
I'll do it for FE5

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>>377126201

>it took until the last map of chapter 1 to get a proper layout
Please tell me it stays that way.

>>377126201

>Awakening is a 92 game.

How, just HOW ?

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>>377126201
fuck you weebs it aint over yet

>>377126648
>I knoe echoes may not be very appealing for casuals

Echoes was literally made for casuals.

>>377125364
>not liking the scale that FE4 brings
>not liking it's story and plot and how your children continue your legacy

And FE6 is my all time favorite but FE4 is my second. Close second maybe idk. Ikes first gsme is great.

>>377126847
Nope. The good maps are few and far between. And by good I mean the maps that aren't just a wide open space.

>>377127076
if you compare it with gaiden yes but if you compare it with nu emblem waifu simulator then no

>>377126648
>I knoe echoes may not be very appealing for casuals
Not only all maps are made by 5 year olds, you can also grind forever for free on dungeons.
Echoes is the casualest

>>377123621
FE5's maps vary so much in quality, like some maps are pretty good and really challenge your skills with the game's mechanics while others are just complete bullshit like chapter 24x.

>>377127115
How can you like FE4 and FE6 when they're like the opposite of each other?

>>377127229
No, actually If you compare it with Conquest its a literal downgrade. Really if you compare it to even Birthright and despite both having free grinding, Birthright is still harder on Lunatic.

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>>377126201
I'll never understand the hate for awakening and fates. are all old fags a bunch of whiny raging faggots? ehats wrong having sexy chicks following you in battle? too unrealistic? its a fucking videogame jesus christ. also nobody told me there would be no MU and pvp. echoes is fucking shit

>>377127435
>How can you like chocolate and steak. They are different things

Not him but wow.

>>377126606
Actually ever since Echoes been announced (and I guess Heroes being it's own thread) it's been more and more about gameplay and map design and other things not waitfu center. Even if Gaiden/Shadows of Valentia is the worse FE it at least made people talk more and more about gameplay for which I'm happy for.

>>377126847
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAno
The few maps that do have proper layouts are also the more harder or bullshit ones in the game.

>>377127769
No pvp sucks but who cares about no mu? Mu is cancer. Also I prefer gameplay > waifus
Waifu fags ruin whatever they touch . Awakening is kinda thrash becuase the pair up system was trash in that game. Conquest fun gameplay but man the writing makes you regret watching those cutscenes. It's one of the few if only games where I recommend you aught to skip the story. Am not saying classic FE story's were great. They were simple but good since they did their job right. Conquest written and story is shit. Ost is forgotable as well. But awakening ost was bretty good.

>>377127435
What do you mean anon? I can't like FE4 or FE6 becuase they do different things well? I never heard of this.

>>377127605
just finished downloading it but of the reviews I've seen on metacritic fe switch is going to turn into an utter piss fest if echoes is really that easy because a major complain of the critics is that even with high levels they having a hard time beating the game

>>377122656

So is FE1, but they add it in the remake (Shadow Dragon)...retard.

>>377128673
Echoes starts easy, but it gets harder as it goes on. You'll have to be dammed careful when dealing with stuff like the medusa or megaquake map.

>>377122505
"Please buy our DLC"

>>377128576
I'm just surprised to find someone who likes two FE games that are completely different from each other design wise. Usually you hate one and like the other. Maybe I'm just more surprised that it's FE6 of all things when I usually see people pair FE4 with FE7 or FE9 as their favorites.

>>377128486
> caring about plot in a fe game
yes awakening was broken but fates managed to fix most of the stuff. Mu is fun and is what makes fire emblem so charming taking it away now and keep it exclusive for awakening and fates is a big mistake.
waifu's are fucking fun fuck off whats so bad about having a game with character depth??? most fe didnt had any memorable char most of the time or were straight up one dimensional.

Just started the game this morning. Should I class change as soon as possible or max my villagers first?

>>377129432
there is no pvp If you play lunatic change immediately

>>377128486
Wait so let me get this straight. You say that gameplay > waifus, but if Fates (Conquest) had good gameplay, then why does that matter?

>>377129339
FE always had waifus. People just like to think otherwise based on what is convenient for their argument. I dunno how good Echoes is on the waifu front by comparison, though so far there's no one I'm particularly fond of.

And yeah, people do care about plot. In fact, the FE fanbase seems to prefer plot to gameplay.

>>377115063

Most important question:

Did they keep that hype animation for killing the dragon?

>>377129432
Class change your villagers asap.

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>>377129339
I don't care about FE plot in general but Fates was so cartoonishly bad it actually ruined my enjoyment of the game. Not him btw

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>>377126648
>Do it for FE4
>Do it for more shit maps
How about no.

>>377129432
Always promote when you can. Promotion just brings you up to the bases of the class so if the character is already meeting those bases then they won't get anything out of those levels.

>>377126648
>DO IT FOR FE4
But FE4 is casual and easy as fuck.

>>377129562
They kept it. Alm's attack animation on the killing blow changes to his finisher.

>>377115063
I enjoyed it far more than Fates solely on the merit that it was basically a bootleg shining force game.
Nice changeup from the standard FE map to map style with only menus or support stuff in between, the maps seemed fine to me and I've played a lot of FE. A bit bland sometimes but the out-of-map stuff makes up for it.

>>377129592
Real goal is getting a remake of FE5. We'll need FE4 echoes to make FE5 echoes a possibility though

>>377129592
>>Do it for more shit maps
>How about no.
>>377129674
>But FE4 is casual and easy as fuck.
Alright yall can shut the fuck up now

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>>377129592
>>377129674
fe4 haters need to off themselves asap

>>377126648
Honestly I hope if they remake FE4 they aren't too faithful to it. Mostly because weapon weight was wonky as fuck in that game and mages almost never had a reason to not use wind magic.

>>377129880
>>377129913
>I like huge ass maps that favour mounted units too much and drag on to forever.
Gee that sounds fun...

How is the dub?

>>377130046
Fine

>>377128486
MU is just a Lord who you give a different hair color and name to. People go to it lazily as a problem with modern FE along with Pair-Up disregarding logic and reason (Pair Up was bad in Awakening but good in Fates, for example)

The only unit that was bad explicitly because he was MU was Robin because he jacks the plot from Chrom and is clearly supposed to be a pick-a-waifu self-insert. But his overall character was solid and he felt like a real person in the universe with goals and motivations since he was the group tactician; he just had MU retard strength and was an expert at combat too.

Corrin being shit isn't tied to him being an MU, it's tied to his character being bad. The failings of Corrin as a character have nothing to do with him being a My Unit, it's that he's a blithering retard as a Lord, on the level of Eirika stupidity, with inconsistent motivations and actions between scenes.

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>>377126201
how can oldfags with their shitty roys and marths even COMPETE. say hello to the saviour of the franchise. awakening book 2 for the switch is coming and you know it.

>>377130046
Everyone sounds straight from a saturday morning cartoon so pretty much the same.

>>377128695
Look how well that remake did.

>>377129880
>>377129913
How the fuck is FE4 not easy? The main, defining mechanic of the game, Holy Blood, completely and utterly breaks it. Holy Weapons are completely fucking broken.

FE4's main strength is its plot and storytelling. As far as gameplay goes its completely outclassed by FE5 and Conquest, and probably 6 and 7.

>>377129291
I liked how hard fe6 was and Roy being a peice of shit mad emergency really alot more on my mediocre units. Felt hard and at the end I gave up restarting if some one died so at the end I had like 8 units alive. I plan to replay it on hard to see if maybe I was just a sitter then.

>>377129529
What this anon said.>>377129578
I picked it up again after dropping it skipped the cutscenes and having fun with it.

>>377129339
>waifus
>good characters
No. You can have good characters that are not tropy and such huge waifu bait anon. Maya from P2IS/EP is a great example of this. It takes time away from other things I feel that are for more important like a good story.

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>>377130419
better then radiant dawn

>>377129529
Oh and to your other post it had "waifus" but not to the level of Awakening or fates. It was not so blatant. I'll accept waifus if I have to if the story is not so shit like conquest.

>>377130023
IS wanted to convey a large-scale war in FE4 and they kinda nailed that feeling with the map design. It was annoying, tedious, and limited strategies but it was definitely a unique experience i wouldn't mind having again.

>>377130750
>It was not so blatant.
Lyn's entire existence is very blatant.

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>>377130349
>awakening book 2

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Probably one of my favorites along with RD, Conquest, and FE7. A little above Conquest, a little below RD.
I can see that by the way it's happening here that it's going to be one of those "if you like this you're a faggot" games though, so I think I'll enjoy it alone.

Are the maps better than Birthright's at least?

>>377130750
Lyn and Roy's harem disagree.

>>377126648
>DO IT FOR FE4
So what's the deal with thracia 776? Is it really THE best game in the series? Or is that Genealogy?

>>377131006
>>377130874
ok you got me there.
>>377131020
Until the translation is 100% done I refuse to play it.

>>377131020
>Is it really THE best game in the series?
yes
Genealogy is also important because it sets up the world and plot.

>>377130957
I would say they are. There are the bland flat maps yes, but the ones that aren't gave me more of a challenge than anything that was in Birthright.

>>377131104
>Until the translation is 100% done I refuse to play it.
What the fuck are you talking about? How is a Translation not done even though the game's been out for 17 years?

>>377130874
Let's be honest with ourselves anon, the waifu pandering with Lyn is nowhere near or above the level of Fates and you know it. I like Fates more than Blazing Sword and even I'll admit it.

>>377131226
There is alot of garbaled up texts. I don't want to what happend to me with FE4 happend to me again with FE5

>>377131020
geneology has the best plot of all fe.
776 is probably the best one in terms of difficulty with conquest. conquest has the slight edge on it but with an up to date 776 it probably will be number 1 again if we ever get that remake

>>377129578
Fates in general made me realize that the plot should at least be passable even for a series that's not known for being good with plot. Conquest had really good maps and gameplay but was a struggle to go through because how hilariously bad everything else was.

whats the icon next to gray's name? nobody else has it and what si the food mechanic

>>377131339
The only difference was that your self-insert couldn't fuck her. The game still goes to great effect to shill her.

>first character you meet in a classic "waking up to see her face" trope
>she instantly likes you and thinks you are super awesome despite barely knowing you
>other characters constantly talking about how she is the most beautiful, kind and wonderful girl in the world

>>377131368
>There is alot of garbaled up texts.
Well is there at least a fucking translated version for FE4? If it's as good as everyone in this thread is saying it is, i'm going to install it today

>10 years from now
>Awakening remake
>the characters, supports, marriage are all the same but all the maps and difficulty levels are redone to be conquest tier
?
>$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

>>377131759
Yes 100% complete when I played it the epilogue was all gibberish, as wall as some lines in the last chapter if you teleported a unit to the home base with the lover there (I do not get what was up with this)

It has HUGE maps of actual countires. So unlike in lets say, FE7 when you attack/go to Beirn, and you just go to one town, in FE4 you got to the WHOLE of a country. Shit is dope

>>377131020
I don't know about "the best", but it is definitely the most challenging. FE5 will fuck you up if you don't make the most out of all the tools the game provides you and if you don't learn the maps properly.

>>377130526
It was worse then RD and we all know it

>>377131628
Yes. Just like a good story can make a game with shitty gameplay good/passable the exact opposite is true So from a game making standpoint, its really good this game came out the way it did.

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>>377115063
I genuinely don't understand what the big deal is. The game is fine, a solid addition to the series but not the peak, and that's ok.
/v/ acts like it not being the absolute pinnacle makes it the shit-filled pigpen of the series. Why can this board never have any sort of moderation and instead always resorts to absolute extremes?

>>377132148
But good gameplay can't make a game with a shitty story good/passable apparently, at least according to most here.

>>377132015
>but it is definitely the most challenging.
Not the Anon you were replying to, but isn't it said somewhere that Thracia 776 is literally one of THE hardest games ever made or some shit?

>>377132282
/v/ is hungry for a new tortanic

that's why

What do people hate the most about Conquest? The whole plot revolting about a chair? The Valla bit? Azura knowing literallt everything?
I thought the story wasn't that bad myself, but maybe it's because I'm used to shit stories as I'm an AW-baby.

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>>377128947
What do DLC do?

>>377132370
It's one of the hardest games on SNES and the hardest sRPG on the system

>>377131703
Yeah there's that but it still doesn't really change the fact that the waifu pandering is off the charts in Fates compared to any other FE game besides Awakening.

So,what are the best ones in the franchise ?

>>377132370
>Thracia 776 is literally one of THE hardest games ever made or some shit?
Bullshit. It's easy to break it with staves. It's still one of the harder FE games where the challenge comes from forcing you to adapt to the maps and mechanics, but it's no where near one of the hardest games ever.

>>377132664
Shadow Dragon

>>377132297
Depends how bad it is. Conquest is one of, if not the only game were its much better to skip everything story related and make up your own shit. Or something like that. I legit like conquest now after I started to skip all the cut scenes its weird. A simple yet well written story is all a game like FE needs.

>>377132469
This wouldn't even be on the same metric though. Sure, NMS and other huge overhyped stuff could work for that, but this is a FE remake released with comparatively little fanfare from the last 3DS FE games.

>>377132479
Basically

>Corrin being a whiny cunt
>magic chair plot
>Azura in general

Honestly the whole "Mysterious dancer" thing never bothered me as much. People act like nothing has ever done the obvious disguise thing before. Superman has been doing that shit for the better part of a century, but I don't remember people complaining about about it so much as just making a joke of it.

>>377132496
>Another Archer in echoes is the gay one
Why do they do this...

>>377132496
Grinding DLC, prequel maps, DLC classes that add an extra tier to the ones you already have, and the OCs from the card game are DLC characters. Unlike Awakening's DLC characters the card game's OCs are fully fleshed out characters.

>>377132148
If Fire Emblem was purely about gameplay Fates shouldn't have even bothered with the cutscenes and support convos in the first place.


But they did. Which makes it all the more worse.

>>377132914
Are we talking about Leo or Python?

>>377133061
Whichever the gay one is, with the blatantly as fuk gay support he has with cecilia saying that he joined the army after falling in love with a guy that made him join the army, and then he died in the first battle and cried his eyes out.

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>>377132282
this
The game is fine even if it's not the best. /v/ overblows shit.

For echoes when do you promote? I heard unlike other FE games you aught to do it ASAP.

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>>377132956
wait wait, Emma is playable in this game?

>>377132479
Add in Corrin being a retard, letting Garon do what he wants until we sit him down the magic chair and the execution of Fate's premise. Everything that is associated with the characters and story is my problem with Conquest. It's a shame too because the premise itself could have potentially been really good if they had bothered.

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>>377133486
As DLC yes.

>>377133387
As soon as the game tells you they can promote.

>>377133578
Huh, then this will probably be the only DLC I will get for this game.

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>>377133061
>>377133197
>>377132914

So is the dub better than Fates or will I have to get the undub again?

>>377134004
Dub is good, maybe even great

Are the DLC out too or just the main game? Wonder what the DLC actually are.

>>377134004
It's better than Fates, but it's still pretty bad in some areas. Specifically character traits that are exaggerated and lines being added that weren't in the original to "spice" things up. The first thing that comes to mind is that Delthea shit talks her brother much more than she did in the Japanese version.

>>377134004
The dub is pretty good actually, a lot better than Fates.

>>377133780
Not him but it's pretty much the only one worth it.
Grindan shit is useless garbage and makes the game far easier than it already is, not even piratefags should use this.
The prequel maps are not worth the money unless you REALLY want them.
The third classes piss on the game entirely, worthless unless you enjoy steamrolling

Really Emma and whatever other ones you want are the only ones worth the price. I enjoyed it without using the class or grind dlc.

>>377131687
That icon means that he's ready to promote. You gotta find a shrine in dungeons to promote.
Food removes fatigue. If a units is completely fatigue they have their HP cut in half.

How does dungeon crawling work? Asking as someone who hasn't played a GBA FE yet.

>>377134004
If you have to ask, you were likely going to undub in the first place. If Fates is comparable to a 4kids dub, Echoes would be comparable to a Funimation dub. It has a much higher quality dub than most video game localizations for sure, but you still need to expect some shortcomings.

>>377134568
In Gaiden they were separate areas on the map and treated like a top down rpg with random encounters as you explored it. If you encountered an eney it turned into a traditional FE battle.
In Echoes it works the same but now they have a legit layout, it's now 3rd person and no more random encounters/you can see the enemies. If you attack them they start the battle with reduced HP, but any nearby enemies and also join in as well.

>>377131006
Lyn's harem is hilarious for all the wrong reasons

>>377134568
You ever played SMT4? It's kinda like that except when you get into a battle you're taken to a simple map. If you attack the enemy you start out closer and the enemy takes some damage at the start, if they get the drop on you then the enemy goes first. The dungeons themselves are pretty simple for the most part, but they get a bit tricky near the end. The post game has a ten floor gauntlet with no saving in between and a superboss at the end so you'd prepare to get your ass torn in two.

>>377134985
>>377135003
That sounds fun, but I fear it may become boring after a while.

>>377135443
I felt that most of them were far apart enough that I never got tired of them. The exception however would be Duma's tower near the end. That place had too many tight hallways that made avoiding battles I didn't want to fight a pain. None of the others were as bad when it came to that.

>>377135443
It kinda starts to drag after a while, yeah. Chapter 3 introduces more of them and by chapter 4 you're kinda tired of it. Chapter 5 is literally one big dungeon. Fear Shrine was alright though.
Still a lot better than Gaiden's though. At least Echoes makes an attempt to keep it interesting, and there aren't a whole lot of them so it's alright once in a while.

>>377131339
Fates is just a bunch of anime tropes shuffled together so you can pick them at your leisure, it's not as core to the game as Awakening which revolved around matchmaking.

Lyn in contrast is a built from the ground up waifu designed perfectly so people feel a connection with her, complete with self-insert.

FE6 is a harem game too and FE4 has matchmaking, the only differences there are there isn't an MU, which isn't really a difference, MUs are just Lords you name after yourself.

>>377131703
>The only difference was that your self-insert couldn't fuck her
Which it's a huge difference. Ultimate My Lyn was her own person and decided to fuck that one knight and not your boring self insert.

>>377120890
The only reason them being added into the triangle did squat to help at all is because they got the advantage on the single best weapon class in the game(Daggers/Shurikens).

Also, magic getting shit on was less of a reason than the 1-2 weapons of other classes getting nerfed into the ground, as well as getting their own 1-2 range weapons.

No 1 range is still just as much shit as it always were, so having even a shaky 1-2 weapon means they are much better.
>>377117009
>The removal of the weapon triangle also makes it so that archers are shit again despite having 5 range.

No, the archer classes in Gaiden are shit because of horrendous bases and terrible promotion gains in a game where promotion gains are real big deal(partly due to how those bonuses work and partly due to low growths across the board), as well as your starting archers not having any skill at all.

The actual Bow weapon class itself in Gaiden is the single best weapon class in the history of the franchise.

Triangle has nothing to do with it.

>>377136471
It really isn't, considering an MU in FE is just a lord with more customization options.

>>377136565
No, it totally is, there is no pick your own waifus for you in FE7. Each lord has a potential suitor and they may even marry to each other.

>>377135816
>5 is one big dungeon
yes please

>>377136664
It's a superficial difference that fools fools into thinking that. Corrin, however bland they may be, is still their own character with their own backstory and established relationships. The only time you really have any impact on what they do is when you choose whether or not to kill Asura. And even then killing him contradicts everything else about Corrin in that route.

Also previous lords had multiple suitors. Robin/Corrin just have more of them.

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>>377136269
>this FE that let's you marry and have loving children with any waifu in the game has less waifupandering than this FE that has a Mary Sue who at most offers you words of encouragement before fucking off to her boyfriend Hector.

Anon please.

>>377136971
They were really nice boots, though.

Does Echoes have any online or multiplayer?
How do you decide what to turn the villagers into?

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>>377123323
>grind
>now they are easier to manage!
You don't say.

Corrin is a Lord just like Hector. Sorry anon.

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I really miss the old artstyle.
I really miss when fire emblem was unknown for the west.
I really miss all.

>>377137331
Blame Melee, Awakening and/or Advance Wars.

>>377120349
I felt like the pair up system was not well balanced on the higher difficulties. Defense stance was overly favored since you needed to avoid enemy suicide rushes and enemy pair ups.

Other than that, fates pair up was definitely the best feature added. They even brought back the tellius rescue system in a way

This may be slightly unrelated but why so many people love awakening so much? like more than fates which seem to be more of the same but with more content(only played all 3 fates).

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If FE7 really was about waifu pandering it wouldn't have had an anime version of Chad take Lyn away from me.

>>377137680
It was the first game for many, and maybe has more waifu power than Fates despite their not being as attractive.

>>377137331
>I really miss when fire emblem was unknown for the west
What, before Melee? How did you know about it? You posted FE8 which was when Fire Emblem was initially very popular in the West, before dying out with RD-SD.

>>377133780
>>377134361
>not pirating all the DLC

>>377137208
You're abandoning free easy stats for shitty class bases. Do not promote asap.

>>377134004
the dub isnt anything special its standard same voices amerifat shit

if you like that go ahead

>>377137116
No multiplayer.
Villagers are left you your judgement. However, the recommended promotions are
Gray=Merc
Tobin=Archer
Kliff=Mage
Faye=Cleric
Atlas=Merc
The game even alludes to the first three as their recommended classes.
Some other things to note though. Kliff will be good no matter what you make him. Faye can also put work in as a Peg. Knight. There's no point in making any of the other villagers besides Kilff a mage because their spell pool sucks.

Is there any enjoyment to be found in Echoes if I got bored by Awakening's gameplay and put off by waifus? Is there actual strategy in it instead of repeating the same map a number of times before you learn when the reinforcements come?

>>377139683
I don't know. Tobin's spell pool looks pretty good.

>>377139683
Really? I've heard Tobin outclasses Kliff in every aspect as a Mage

>>377139683
>Kilff a mage because their spell pool sucks
Tobin is actually a pretty good mage. He gets Excalibur much sooner than Kliff does and learns physic.

>>377139734
Most of the maps are bland boring shit, but the gameplay is different enough that it might still interest you. If you ever cared for Shining Force then maybe you'll like it. Also there isn't as much waifu pandering as the past two games.

>>377139734
Awakening had better maps than Echoes. Read the thread.

>>377140074
I wouldn't say every aspect. Kliff has a bigger spellpool, but Tobin gets the important spells sooner.

>>377133935
Hot.

>>377140125
I saw that, but even a strategy game is not made entirely out of maps.

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>Gaiden sucks because of its maps. They should have remade Genealogy instead!

>>377141001
Fire Emblem's design and difficulty is intrinsically linked to its map design though. What FE has good gameplay but shit maps?

>>377141001
Then I'll just jot down some of the gameplay mechanics since it's different than every other FE.

There is no weapon triangle and terrain bonuses are huge. You get 40 avoid for being on a forest and 60 for being on a grave. Magic however has fixed attack rates that ignores terrain, it gets high with support bonuses.

Magic is no longer a weapon type and costs HP to use and spell casters have their own spell set. Most spells don't use up that much health, but the more situational ones do.

Skills are tied to weapons now. Unlike past games you can use them whenever you want instead it it having a random chance to happen, but they have a health cost.

Characters can only have one item on them. If they have nothing then they default to a 0 might weapon, but they can also equip stuff like rings and shields that have their own uses that weapons don't have.

If any of this stuff interests you then give it a go.

>>377141738
Fates

>>377141738
FE8 has some of the better designed maps in the GBA era but they're trivialized because the enemies are too weak so Seth/Franz/Vanessa/warp skip rape it to hell and bench.

There's more to a SRPG just just muh maps.

>>377125364

FE4 was best simply due to having the oldschool fantasy art. It felt less anime, really.

Also the epic storyline.

>>377142172
>Less anime
Is your only experience with anime Naruto/DBZ/Sword Art Online?

>>377142172
It was turbo 80's anime style, don't kid yourself.

>>377137331
I WANT TO KIDNAP TANA !!!

FE8 the sacred stone is my first FE, I love it

Does old fags likes it ?

>>377143529
I liked it. Easy as fuck but the cast is good.

>>377143529
8 is shit. It's far too easy and every conflict in the game is due to the heroes and villains being completely retarded.

>>377132496
It adds Lucas' support conversations.

>>377133935
>First Leo saying he's in love with Valbar, now Python is acting like this too.
What is wrong with archers in Fire Emblem?

>>377144872
Bows are not straight.

>>377137331
Anon, I'm sorry if you love horrible hair colors and 90's hair but those times are over.

>>377128695
fucking newfag

weapon triangle was retarded in SD as there were no axe enemy users past the early chapters.

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>>377144975

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>>377133935
But is he better than Niles?

>>377144872
Niles is a homo

Wolt was gay for Roy

>>377137763
But Ephraim isn't in FE7.

>>377143529
It had an impossible act to follow up, but also Lute.

>>377143529
Despite being the easiest I like it the most out of the GBA games since unlike Awakening it still manages to be fun despite being easy. I go to Thracia for challenge and Sacred Stones when I want to stomp on shit.

>>377115063
as long as the main character doesnt spend the the entire game trying to convence his family that he is doing what is right, they in turn respond saying they're naive, then they fight, and after defeat they yield to the main character without question.

as long as its not that shit for 17 chapters out of a 20chapter game Im good. FE is looking weak these days.

>>377143529
Same. FE8 was my first and favorite, played ~100 hrs of Awakening, and couldn't put more than 6 hrs into Birthright.

HOW much better is Conquest over Birthright, the game just felt so uninteresting, like I was just playing Awakening again.

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>be me on Friday
>open mail
>get this: "Dear Customer,
With great regret we communicate with you to inform you that for reasons beyond our control, your Fire Emblem Echoes special edition reserve will not be available. We understand the annoyance that this generates in you, and for that reason, we offer you the availability of purchasing the standard edition of the game, several additional surprise gifts and a discount of S / .50 on any product of the store, including the game itself mentioned lines above.
At Másgamers Store we are deeply concerned about the satisfaction of our customers and hope this can make up for something of this inconvenience.
Sincerely, the team at Másgamers Store."
>MFW
This world wants me to burn everything down

>>377121484
>What the fuck kind of strategy are they trying there?
Jesus fucking christ, Ike and Boyd take the left, Oscar takes the right, Titania kills the javelins down south and leaves the rest for Mia.

>>377146956
I like Alm so far, he's very naive but not annoying or anything. I want to see how his character develops once you get to the "oh shit" moment. Celica on the other hand is boring and uninteresting, I think the other characters have spoken more than she has in the cutscenes

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>thinking of changing Faye into a Cleric
>a servant to her god who wields healing white magic
>has Nosferatu
I though Nosferatu was dark magic

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>I heard the story and characters were great
It's Fire Emblem, OP. Where story and characters are recycled as often as every other Nintendo franchise.

Needless to say you heard WRONG. Hope you enjoy buying a $40 artwork pack and "graphical overhaul".

>>377132282
They are just acting like memes of emotional retards who don't have the capacity of enjoying things

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Just did a little research and reddit loves the game, so in order to act as the average cool old-fag I will say that the game sucks (even if I haven't played it yet).


If you say other wise I will advice you to go back to >>>/r/eddit.

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>>377115536
>Fire Emblem
>good gameplay

Fire Emblem's "strategy" is zero fun allowed, gameplay or story-wise. Use a blue blood (or in Fates' case, fifty thousand blue bloods) and auto-battle at a choke point. Don't forget to turn battle animations off, lest you contract eye cancer from the in-game graphics.

I mean fuck, for what is essentially a waifubait visual novel at this point, you'd think they could asked to write a semi-engaging plot. This franchise is retroactively worse than mobile shit and $5 e-shop/psn games.

>>377148815
It's light magic in like half the games. It's also called Resire in Japan.

>>377149256
It's hard to understate the tolerance of Japanese people for their shitty animu plots.
Remember that with Fates they brought in a popular writer who thought it was a good idea to spend years on a manga where an organ transplant may or may not grant magical soccer powers.

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>>377149714
What

That sounds like an amazing plot with just the right amount of stupid to be interesting, what the fuck happened to fates

>>377148815
It's called Resire in Japan and was light magic first, but it happened to be dark in FE7 which was the first English game, so it got localized into Nosferatu to be cute, and now we're just stuck with that as the name I guess.

>>377149926
Japan pls.

>>377149926
They threw out the long script and kept only an outline of it.

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>>377149926
The manga writer wrote hundreds of pages worth of details and reference notes on the plot and world of Fates, only to have IS throw out the entire script and only keep the general concept of a noble being born in one countries, raised in another country at war with his birthplace.

>>377150276
I don't remember that being what was stated.

>>377150368
That's the explanation I've seen posted the most often, and given how Fates plot feels like it was rewritten halfway through development I'm inclined to believe it.

>>377150791
Okay, but this information comes from an actual interview with the people involved, and that isn't what they said.

>>377127820
Both come from cows, retard

>>377150791
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Iwata-Asks/Iwata-Asks-Fire-Emblem-Fates/Fire-Emblem-Fates/3-You-should-take-this-job-/3-You-should-take-this-job--1032070.html
If anything, they make it sound like the writer is more responsible than usual for the plot-gameplay interaction because he specifically took the nature of the game into account when writing.

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>>377143529
I enjoyed it.

>>377151207
Did Japan enjoy the plot of Fates? Or did they just care about putting the girls in bikinis in the hot spring and said 10/10?

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>>377151326

>>377151703
They probably enjoyed it more than 4chan. I don't think they were unusually wild about the waifu elements though. The last two games really blew up because of Western attention, not increasing their local audience.

>>377132914
Because after you turn gay you often have bow legs.

>>377151703
No, even japan wasn't a fan of the plot. And they also weren't actually a fan of the hoshido dick sucking, either.

>>377151080
Both games are srpgs your point idiot.

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>>377121484
i love this area desu

>>377152052
Guess but thought it increased in Japan as well by a good margin.
>>377152157
Wonder if they are going to actually do anything different in the game that is meant to come out next year.

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It took longer than I wanted to but here this is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1sj9klkzcsqnr6e/TactHackV4.gba?dl=0
Goes up to 18 and has supports mechanically in.
Bunch of balance changes to units and such as well. Probably gonna be completely finished at the end of summer.
Feed back is appreciated whereever.

Is the CIA already available?

>>377153297
For several days yes

So how does Echoes hold up compared to the rest of the series? I liked pretty much every game I've played to some extent, starting with FE4. Would I like it?

>Guts voices Celica's onii-chan in english
Nice.

>>377118367
>Whole reason why I'm buying instead of pirating SoV despite having a hacked 3DS is just so I can see that game get remade

Why not do both? I'm buying the physical while getting the digital off of free shop. IS gets their money and I get to play it before I start getting paid again.

>>377153297
>>377153381

Are there any possible repercussions to downloading the CIA early? I'm not going to be playing online or anything.

I honestly can not belive how much fun am having when I skip conquests cutscenes holy shit. Only time I hate it is when the game wants me to use a dragon vien. Shit is lame and gimmicky as fuck.

What feels wrong with Fates' story is almost everything about the Revelation route. Ut's like the writers had a bunch of ideas for Conquest and Birthright' story, said fuck it, let's make a DLC to get more $$$ and removed these plot points and reveals from Conquest and BR to put them in Revelation in the most awkward ways possible. Things about the curse and the real enemy from Valla should have been in Conquest. It's a shame because the story had potential, but the game itself is fun so in the end, it's bearable. Just press the start button whenever there's a cutscene.

>>377153993
It's hard to say since it's so different. For some people it reminds them of Shining Force so maybe if you liked that game it would interest you.

>>377156424
How is it lame and why is it being a gimmick a bad thing?

>>377118139
6, 7, or 8

I wouldnt mind a MotE style remake of 9 and 10 though

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How'd they manage to fuck up the Whitewings' designs so much?

>>377121484
The one in RD where the generic archer unit slaughters hordes of laguz singlehandedly

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>>377158385
Looks improved to me.

>>377155482
No. As long as you don't try to access the DLC menu or whatever it should be fine.
Still, I like to keep my wifi off and disable spotpass anyways just to be sure.

>>377159250
Thanks anon. I'm going to turn my wifi off as well/

>>377143529
Back in the day it was FE8 the grandpas hated on, because it was the easiest. Nowadays people like it though.

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BE MY FRIEND

>tfw /feg/ is over run by moble game shitters
How and why do people like some shitty fire emblem lite freeiumum game?

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>Tfw trying to play Awakening after I've played Fates for 150+ hours
Why just WHY did they have to make the Awakening UI just so fucking bad?

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>>377160359
It actually plays surprisingly well for a mobile game. And I actually like the simplicity myself. Sometimes it's nice to scale back to basics and enjoy some short term FE gameplay. There's also just the novelty of having FE characters from different games all together without it being a musou.

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So ready for Echoes: Path of Radiance?

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>>377158385
What's wrong with them? They look great.

>>377161570
Can't wait.

>>377161570
Let's be honest, even IS knows how well PoR and RD hold up, and it was blatant that they wanted to do something with Gaiden for a good while. That won't happen before the 6/7 bundle at least, and that's probably only after they touch 4 and 5.
Magvel remake never.

>>377160359
The allure of getting shiny units is too strong for some people. Welcome to the future of mobages anon, it's here to stay.

>>377153297
I think Freeshop has a preload available, but I don't know if that'll work when the release date comes

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>>377161570
>Echoes: Path of Radiance

This is literally the only thing they could have conceived of to make me buy a Switch. Holy shit.

>>377115063
what happens if your friends die in the prologue in classic mode?

>>377161570
POR is almost perfect it just needs higher difficulty and better late game maps. RD is the one who needs it badly.

>>377161570
I have my Wii, I have Nintendont. I'd be fine if it doesn't happen.

>>377115063
> awakening was my first FE game

underage

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>$45 for a season pass, which is basically the full price of a 3DS game
>pass only includes minimal Day One DLC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU7Ws-vzuVo

Can we just discuss how fucking scummy this is of Nintendo? Not even EA and Ubisoft did something THIS bad. How can Nintenbros honestly defend this?

>>377162293
Pretty sure you get a game over.

>>377162564
Fuck off.

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>>377162689
>I-IT'S OK WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT!

>>377162564
>not just pirating the dlc

come the fuck on its 2017, who doesn't have a hacked 3ds?

>>377162784
We already know you just came here to shitpost. Fuck off.

>>377162880
I don't but mostly because I own nearly all the 3DS games that I really want to play. And there's really nothing coming out this year for it that I honestly care about. Maybe Ever Oasis but most likely not.

>>377162880
Being able to pirate the DLC doesn't excuse Nintendo for their bullshit. I'm at least glad you're voting with your wallet and refusing to pay money for this blatant scam.
>>377162926
And we already know that you're a viral marketer doing a shitty job at playing damage control for Nintendo. You first faggot.

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i haven't touch nu-Fire Emblem since and i'm willing to give it a try

should i try Echoes first or Conquest?

>>377163441
Conquest for gameplay, Echoes for plot+characters

>>377163441
since what?

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>>377163183
We already know it's stupid and cancerous and nobody in here is supporting it. What do you really want from us, an agreeing echo chamber?

>>377162034
I wouldn't mind. Magvel is the only continent that only has one game to it.

>>377163441
Conquest has amazing gameplay, the story is stupid, but if you keep in mind it is stupid it is kinda fun. It isn't as bad as people say. Again, it isn't good, but you can always skip it. The things oldfags complain about mostly are all optional things you don't have to do.

>>377163441
Echoes than Conquest. It will be a downgrade if you play Conquest than Echoes.

>>377166384
Unless you care about story more, in which case it's the opposite.

>>377166208
Stuff like forging and captured being my castle/rng based was dumb

Besides the roughness its great

>>377166583
>Stuff like forging
>When anything above iron weapons suck fucking ass with a stacking debuff.

>but y-you use silver weapons for bosses and tough enemies only
Doesn't warrant not just forging a special weapon with little to no debuffs instead.

>>377116443
The maps just LOOK bland and boring... but they're actually low-key great because they make your army's overall formation matter a lot more and make you play around the enemy units themselves rather than "obstacles" that serve no purpose other than to create choke points and give the illusion of any "strategy".

Gaidens map design is actually underrated.

>>377166583
You can just not do that. It is optional.

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How do you think this'll do in the West?

Seems like there's awareness for the game at least when you look at those view numbers on this video and the ones on the side.

On a side note:

>#FE gameplay trailer has almost 1 million views

Are we sure that game was a commercial flop in the West?

>>377167390
Map design is more than just having tiles and obstructions.

>>377167820
They're all slow sellers, so there's no way to know. I remember people shitposting here about Fates not doing so well when it first came out in the west, but eventually it became the biggest seller in the series without counting the multiple routes.

>>377117446
You literally don't even notice it, and in most cases it's nice not having to worry about the small hit-rate changes and shit.

The weapon triangle is overrated.

>>377118332
>Why did they decide to remake what most fans considered one of the worst FE games?
Probably so that those same "fans" would actually play the fucking game and realize it's way better than they assumed without ever having played it for more than 10 minutes.

>>377117446
A game that actually gets you to use your units more strategically than rock-paper-scissors?

Sounds better to me.

Also I've heard that flying units don't have to fear archer units in this game, is that true?

Looks to me like this is the Zelda 2 of the series, which can be a good thing and a bad thing.

>>377117009
Oh, someone saved my post. Neat, that's a first.

>>377167820
Might sell more here. Mostly because there's a weird sense of mysterious to it I guess with it never been out here.
>There's been emulator and fan translation of it for years
True but there are a few that just can't really get into emulators for some reason. And some that just can't get into NES games because of how unrefined a lot of their games are. So they most likely never touched Gaiden even with a emulator. So to many they don't really know what they are getting into with it. I just hope it does well enough for IS/Nintendo to keep funding for more Echoes games. Because adding a bit of QoL might make them more enjoyable for many. Plus able to understand FE5 would be thankful.

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Sonya or Deen?

>>377168361
>Looks to me like this is the Zelda 2 of the series, which can be a good thing and a bad thing.

FE2 always has been the Zelda 2 of the series anon. Also Pegasus Knights are still weak to arrows.

>>377120729
>Finally adding them to the triangle for one
One of the biggest blunders in FE history. Worse than the Radiant Dawn magic triangles. Fate's weapon triangle was goddamn fiasco of non-nonsensical bullshit. The reason the weapon triangle is so great is it's simplicity. Adding everything to it and having none of it make any logical sense was a mistake.

Gaiden/Echoes is the first FE game to do Archers right, not fucking fates, just because they were high-powered units...

>>377168361
They still do. Bows don't get the extra damage on fliers by default. However most bows come with the trait that lets them do that. The bonus isn't as much as past games, but you still have to be careful.

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>>377168579
Boey for me.

>>377168579
I go with Sonya because I'd rather have another magic user than another dread fighter.

>>377168579
Gaiden: Sonya
Echoes: Deen

>>377168579
Unless Deen got buffed notably or Sonia's spell list got nerfed, she will still be the better pick of the two.

>>377168361
>Also I've heard that flying units don't have to fear archer units in this game

Only if they have a bow equipped, as in iron, steel, etc, not the default bow. And it's only 2x the damage, so they aren't as deadly. Still most maps will always have 2 or 3 of them together so you can't just rush your pegasus knights to the boss

>>377167639
Yeah so is breathing

It shouldn't be rng gem shit

>>377167283
I was taking more issue with the way forging was done

But yeah silvers were awful

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>>377122509
that map is easily cheesed

>>377168579
Don't think it really matters. You can tell that they wanted Deen to be better, but Sonya should catch up as she gets spells and is the only character that can get Entrap.

I went Sonya because she actually has a story presence and Echoes is a sausagefest.

>>377168879
That's exactly what happened. Deen got some pretty big buffs while Sonya lost Angel and Arrow, as well as the other mages being buffed. But again, she's also the only unit who can get Entrap which has a shitton of utility.

>>377168664
>>377168725
>>377168914

Thanks for the info regarding Pegasus Knights.

Guess I'll still have to keep my wits about me when using them.

>>377168830
Deen was better in Gaiden

>sonya has to wait till level 20 to promote
>less movement
>comes before enemies start getting RES
>has to compete with DREAD FIGHTER

>>377168879
Literally both those things happened.

>>377168879
She lost Angel and Arrow. Deen also got some buffs and she was toned down a bit to let other mages shine.