Who was in the wrong here?

>>377108698
Both, but Kaathe is less in the wrong, Frampt is a little bitch that sucked too much Gwyn cock.

Only correct choice is based Aldia, you get to see what lies "beyond the scope of light beyond the reach of dark" with a living bonfire infused tree dude at your side.

>not realizing they are in it together

>>377108972
>"beyond the scope of light beyond the reach of dark"

its nothing.

aldia was a pretentious faggot. its like if vaatividya made an oc and they added him in as dlc

>>377108698
The one on the left?

>>377108698
>we will never hear anything more about these retarded looking snakes

The dark is legit shit.

Age of fire all days every days bitch nigger.

>>377111190
Thanks for your input Gwyn

bruh it's the same dude, we NEVER saw """them""" right next to each other

>>377108698
>one is in league with the kingdom that would see fire rule over all indeffinitely
Bad Idea

>one says fuck that lets see what happens otherwise
Still dont know what happens in the dark thanks to gwyn. Could have been cozy but you literally never find out.

>>377111190
>spending an entire age fucking Yuria and her sister while rulling over mankind at the peak of your power
>legit shit

You got some Gwyn's cum on your cheek fagboi.

>>377111686
>I'm a faggot and never choose to extinguish the flame

fix'd

>>377113747
For real, werent there like 8 heads at the end when you became the dark lord?

I want to fight that fucking hydragon so damn bad

>>377112528
Have you seen Anor Londor, because that's what peak civilization looks like.

have you seen New Londor? Now that's what dark looks like.

>>377113926
There are multiple primordial serpents, not just 2. They are just being that failed to become dragons and have been around since the beginning. The 8 you see in the end are just Kaathe's friends, Frampt is just a fag.

>>377114124
Then I'll fight both hydragons.

ILL FUCKING KILL THEM ALL FUCK

>>377110935
Agree.
DaS 2 is full of shit lorewise.

The big snake was wrong.

They're the same creature faggots.

Why do you think we never see below their neck?

>>377114108
>Have you seen Anor Londor, because that's what peak civilization looks like.
yeah that's what happens during the age of fire, where humans are weak as shit and gods are strong as fuck
>have you seen New Londor? Now that's what dark looks like.
That's what the dark looks like during the age of fire, where "mankind" is extremely weak. Also dark would be untended graves, not new londo. New Londo is underground, untended graves is the full absence of dark.

>>377114910
>yeah that's what happens during the age of fire, where humans are weak as shit and gods are strong as fuck
So maybe it's best to leave it to the gods?
>That's what the dark looks like during the age of fire, where "mankind" is extremely weak. Also dark would be untended graves, not new londo. New Londo is underground, untended graves is the full absence of dark.
New Londor is what happens when a city is corrupted by the abyss, which is the corrupted dark.

>>377115643
>New Londor is what happens when a city is corrupted by the abyss, which is the corrupted dark.
>corrupted dark

Both New Londo and Oolacile arent from natural dark at all. Thats like saying the chaos and demons are from natural fire.

You really think giving lifedrain to new londo was natural? Not even close, it was just kaathe teasing humans with power and it was a bad idea from the get go. How about manus? Would have never been that way if he wasnt tortured by oolacile sorcerers to gain more power on kaathes recommendation.
Kaathe is a cock, he doesnt want the dark he wants to screw over frampt and gwyn.

You want natural dark? Untended graves is one example, the ending of 3 when it just gets real dark and everyone has to live in eternal stubbed toes is another time we actually see the beginning of true dark.

Manus didnt even create the abyss, just another myth like how artorias saved the world from it.

>>377115643
So maybe it's best to leave it to the gods?
But we've never seen what a proper age of dark looks like, since we've never had one.
>New Londor is what happens when a city is corrupted by the abyss, which is the corrupted dark.
Dark=/=Abyss
Dark is peaceful, it's just dark, nothing more. Abyss is the fucked up version, and you can have dark without abyss.

>>377118297
>Abyss is the fucked up version, and you can have dark without abyss.

Doubtful. Abyss existed long before manus and the corruption of it BUT you still might be right.

>>377111190
It's all shit. World is a cesspit.

>>377114124
The dialogue literally says frampt and kaathe both serve you

>>377120106
>World is a cesspit.
Nah.

World was some tees that grew and lizards that liked to chill on them, then a fire started and some dudes were like lol fire. Cue the entirety of the trilogy, which was a cesspit, and then at the end you see all those trees burnt to shit and the world turning to ash with lifeforms reverting back to trees after being hollow for too long. What is great fertilizer for all those trees that need to grow? Ash.

Its like a cycle or something.

>>377120653
A cycle of shit.

>>377108972
I've never seen anyone misinterpret what Aldia said this hard. Jesus. He says flat out that "there is no path." That humans will never escape the cycles.

>>377108698
>Only correct choice is based Aldia, you get to see what lies "beyond the scope of light beyond the reach of dark" with a living bonfire infused tree dude at your side.

Aldia never actually stated that there was a solution besides choosing the Age of Fire or Dark. If anything, he outright implies that these are your only choices.

>>377108698
The developers.

Up until you first meet these slimy fucks, I was SO into the game. I thought it was perfect.

Then this snake fuck with dentures shows up and takes me out of the game.

>faggots who would betray the dark soul and humans in favor of linking the flame and helping out the gods who don't give a shit about humans anyway
Neck yourselves.

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hmmm

>>377121405
Same as the people who join the stormcucks

>>377116967
>You want natural dark? Untended graves is one example, the ending of 3 when it just gets real dark and everyone has to live in eternal stubbed toes is another time we actually see the beginning of true dark.

Its the Deep suppose to be what the "natural darkness" originally was? Or I'm I missing something.

>>377108698
Frampt: I'm going to go find some more dudes to set on fire.

Kaathe: That's dumb you're dumb, I'm going to get this dark party started right!

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>>377121404
What's wrong with them? They do nothing but add infinitely more to the game. They give weight to the notion of linking the fire. They add intrigue that wouldn't otherwise be there. For instance: Let's say you only met Frampt. When you enter the DLC and speak to Marvelous Chester, he states that

Believe it or not…
Oolacile has brought the Abyss upon itself.
Fooled by that toothy serpent, they upturned the grave of primeval man, and incited his ornery wrath.
What could they have been thinking?

So immediately it calls into question what the fuck Frampt is up to. Makes you think about shit more. Then you look online after you beat the game and find there are TWO serpents. So you find the second serpent and he tells you truth behind the Dark Soul, Gwyn, etc. It greatly expands on the world, intrigue, and moral implications of the game. I'm honestly surprised you feel you the way you do.

>>377121423
If i remember right, this is a fanfic design who won a context and was put in the game.

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I got a question.
So the Dark Soul is suppose to be dark right? Then whats the deal with Firekeepers Souls?

>>377121864
A quick google search can't find anything on that, man.

>I suspect thou hast taken a gander at it,
>But the Dark of the Abyss, which swallowed poor Artorias, threatens to devour our entire land of Oolacile.
>It seems that this dire fate is unavoidable.
>But, seduced by a Dark serpent or no,
>They awoke that thing themselves, and drove it mad.
>…One's demise is always one's own making.

Reminder that the serpents are just capitalising on the order of the world for their own ends and that humanity would have found a way to fuck everything up anyway.

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>>377121912
"Soul of a long-lost Fire Keeper.
Each Fire Keeper is a corporeal manifestation of her bonfire, and a draw for the humanity which is offered to her. Her soul is gnawed by infinite humanity, and can boost the power of the precious Estus Flask. Reinforced Estus Flasks capture denser Estus, allowing for increased restoration of HP."

It's got a shitton of Humanity in it + being a physical manifestation of a fire probaly makes it that grey/white color.

>>377121776
Has nothing to do with lore.
Has everything to do with the denture teeth and weird face.

Would have preferred them to be boring snake looking guys desu

>>377121695
Unfortunately the Deep and Londor are two things well never get to really know more about because memezaki

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>>377108972
gwyn did nothing wrong, he was by fact the hero.

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>>377122227
Oh.

>>377114124
>They are just being that failed to become dragons
They are also the gold and silver serpent, respectively.

>>377108972
>You get to see
No you don't.

>>377122290
Hi, Frampt.

>>377122064
Wrong shield then. It happens.

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>tfw dark souls 3 turned out worse than dark souls 2

>>377122227
Really?

I love when From gets wierd the most personally. I got bored with their later games because the strange factor wasnt there, aside from BB in certain ways that is

>>377122450
Dark Souls 3 with all the DLC is worse than vanilla, unpatched Dark Souls 2

>>377122236
>Londor
Unlike other, I don't think Londor really needed to be elaborated on.

As for the Deep, I always assumed that it was just the abyss because there is a an item description or two in Das I/III that associated the abyss with water.

>>377122208
>It's got a shitton of Humanity in it + being a physical manifestation of a fire probaly makes it that grey/white color.

So when humanity/the dark soul is exposed to fire, its very nature changes?

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You people do realize that both Kathee and Frampt are working towards the same goal, with frampt speculating on you burning out way faster than gwyn, right?

They are both fucking with you and pretty much everything they say is bullshit.

This is revealed once you do the "age of darkness" ending, with BOTH kathee and frampt being (((at your service))).

>>377122392
nah framp and cuckstalker are, retards just trying to manipulate mandkin for their own propouses as some anons already point out, they are just faggy serpents that failed to turn into dragons, what a bunch of cucks. Gwyn in the other hand not only took humans out of the darkness he even sacrificed himself to the fire to protect the human world. As i said the true hero.

>>377122676
>there is a an item description or two in Das I/III that associated the abyss with water

Interesting, they might be associated but its not likely since the abyss makes beings revert to their base humanity and the deep isnt anywhere near that.

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>>377122143
This.

>>377122572
Not even close.

>>377122913
>abyss makes beings revert to their base humanity
Humanity/the Dark Souls nature state isn't abyssal or wild. Its usually peaceful, but it is extremely volatile and goes wild when provoked by extreme emotions.

>>377122676
>So when humanity/the dark soul is exposed to fire, its very nature changes?
Wasn't thus why Gwyn was so afraid of humans? Because they were capable of harnessing both dark and fire?

>the last fight wasn't against these fuckers

>>377108698
>ifunny
you

>>377121706
Hey, so... abyss is kind of running wild. You wouldn't know anything about that...?

>>377123308
>Wasn't thus why Gwyn was so afraid of humans? Because they were capable of harnessing both dark and fire?

I thought he was afraid of humanity because of their Dark Souls, not because they could use both dark and fire.
Come to think of it, Gwyn may have even tried to help humans harness the power of fire by giving them the dark sign.

>>377108698
I don't even know the difference between the two, hell I didn't even know there were two until I went back to firelink after four kings and the one there told me to piss off.

>Primordial serpents are proto-dragons
>Thinking they have humanity or the God's interests at heart
did you guys not play Artorias of the Abyss or what

>>377123540
He was afraid of the potential abbysal nature of humanity, its pretty clear in the ringed city just see what happened to those ringed knights.

Gwyn is not the dictator/bad goy people want to think he is.

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who would win in a fight between dark souls 3 hodrick and a single dark souls 1 torch hollow?

>>377122760

This pic is fucking perfect.

>>377122760
not sure how you jump to the conclusion that one of the many serpents in the dark ending is frampt when his goals seem to be in juxtaposition with kaathes

>>377123436
Kaathe: What!? No! Why!?

>das and das3 hints that serpents exerced influence throughout whole history
>you never meet them again
Talk about missed opportunity. Can you imagine entering the room and hearing "Chosen Undead..."

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>>377124038
>returning to the asylum at level 30 in giants set and get fucked near instantly
Poor hodricks toast

>>377108698
dark souls 3 was so disappointing when it came to lore stuff

i wasn't expecting it to give conclusive answers to a lot of questions but there's next to no new info in the game, it's really boring

some of the questions they did answer weren't even that interesting, like nameless king being gwyn's firstborn, the only reason anyone cared was because you could speculate that it could have been many of the characters from dark souls 1, if we would have known in advance that it was just some dude who would show up in the third game no one would have bothered speculating, and paradoxically dark souls 1 is a little bit less interesting now that we know

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There is more than one?

>>377124434
>paradoxically

*retroactively

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>>377124072
>not sure how you jump to the conclusion that one of the many serpents in the dark ending is frampt

Well Kaathe literally says that both him and frampt are "serving you", which I assume is him fucking with you again basically acting as if you had anything to say.

See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHTTDVt4KgM

Both were wrong, there is no right answer.
Because of the actions of frampt, the world turned to fucking ash, and if kaathe had his way, the world would be like the ringed city.

>>377112245
>Still dont know what happens in the dark thanks to gwyn
Oolacile happens you goddamn moron

>>377122428
Im pretty sure that was the ass crest shield

>>377121290
>outright implies

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>both were wrong!!

fucking NOOTROLfag fencesitters

>Chosen Undead
>forced to play the gods games and repeat the cycle

>Ashen one
>forced to play the gods games and repeat the cycle

>good hunter
>forced to play the OLD ONES games and repeat the cycle

>bearer of the curse
>immune to the curse of the undead, says fuck the dark, and fuck the light I'm going to find a way to fix this shit

>>377124687
>the world turned to fucking ash
?

>>377108698
You for falling for their bullshit

>>377124434
I liked the firstborn stuff. You can find Ornstein armor in there which begs the question if he tried to bring him back but they ended up clashing. I dont think it downgrades anything. I mean, im glad at least one little overarching story had some closure for a change.

>>377124687

The world would be like the abyss, without form or void and without shit ass dead dudes going hog wild. The ringed city is because gwyn gifted it to them, assface.

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>>377108698
FRAMPHT IS ALWAYS WRONG

>>377124725
>Young Hollow, there are but two paths. Inherit the order of this world, or destroy it.

Inherit = Link the fire/Inherit Gwyn's role
Destroy = Age of Dark

>>377124885
>I'm going to find a way to fix this shit
>Fails just like Aldia and Vendrick did

>>377124936
you did see the sea of ash after breaking the egg right?

>>377124936

The fight you had with Gael was in the future where lighting the fire over and over had diminishing returns and instead the world finally became ashier than ashy larry.

>>377124882
DaS/DaS3 = statist cuck ending
DaS2 = supreme randian hero ending

>>377125113
Replace "FRAMPHT" with "GWONPH." C'mon, son.

>>377125369
>you did see the sea of ash after breaking the egg right?
Haven't beaten DSIII yet. Ain't had ample time.

>>377124495
If you beat the Four Kings before placing the Lordvessel, you get to meet Darkstalker Kaathe.

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Dark Souls was to convoluted for it's own good, it was a mistake to trying to keep spinning the story. The story should have ended with Dark Souls 1 with them focusing on a new theme and story.

Both Demons Souls and Bloodborne concluded in their respective games without the need to further expand the story.

Was Knight Slayer Tsorig the bearer of the curse?

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>>377126101
I remember the first press releases on DSII, how they said DSII takes place in the "south pole" relative to where Lordran takes place. I was so excited at the implication that Souls games would take on a different setting, theme, motifs with each game. And while that's kind of true, they decided to keep the baggage of the previous iteration. Which is disappointing.

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>>377126273
he certainly has a curse to bear

>nothing happens when you link the fire in dark souls 3
What did they mean by this?

>>377126557
the series is dead

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>>377126415
>when you realize the line "the flow of time is convoluted in Lordran" is a meta reference to the terribly laggy multiplayer.

>>377108698
the one on the left

So are there any humans left at all that don't have the dark sign?

>>377127024
i.e. me

>>377127175
Sieglinde

>>377121864
Didn't they only do that for DaS2?

>>377124689
what happens in oolacile is different than if the fire fades isn't it? Manus's humanity went wild. The abyss=/=dark, right?

The most confusing thing in the soulsverse to me is the difference between the dark,abyss, and deep.

>>377126557
the world ran out of fuel pretty much

>>377108698
Is it racist to say that they all Serpents looks the same?

>>377126510

He aint slaying that knight for sure :^)

>>377123908
Except the reason the Ringed Knights got so fucked up was that their natural darkness was contained by the dark sign. Gwyn may have had good intentions, but like every other attempt to mess with the natural order of things, it backfired horrendously.

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>>377132084
It's racist to exist. People are wary of anything that doesn't look familiar, and tend to create societies with similar people. This flaw is perfection.

>>377116967
>>377118297
Muh natural dark

Fire is best and what we could see.

I didn't see any "natural dark".

>>377130081
It's all a trick to confuse you.

Dark is bad, the end of the world.

Even unnatural fire is better than dark.

>>377132834
Non-Abyssal, non-undead humans are examples of the natural dark. Come an age of dark, and humans would become the gods of the world.

>>377132961
Go back to the Kiln, Gwyn.

>>377133174
But "undead" humans are the natural ones. Humans become undead because Gwyn's seal of fire is weakening and they are regaining their power.

>>377133649
If they were natural, they wouldn't be undead because they wouldn't have the dark sign on them.

>>377133972
The Dark Sign appears when Gwyn's seal of fire starts to fade

>>377134734
You think Gwyn didn't put that in place so that they would be forced to link the fire?

>>377124936
>>377125459
Ash desert is shown in the intro cutscene. Touching the shell brings you to the current time. Dreg Heap is the future.

>>377132294
thats mind canon, speculation are not facts we know by fact that abyss spreads itself we seen it in oolacile, and you can clearly see how abbys is starting to leak because gwyn sign is broken, srsly trying to put blame on him now even for that is fucking stupid.

>>377135862
The abyss only exists because you people fucking with Manus. If they had left him alone, nothing would have happened to Oolacile. The Demons were created from trying to make a new Flame. The Curse of Undeath was created because Gwyn was scared of the dark. Fucking with the natural order creating big problems is par the course for Dark Souls.

>>377135862
The seal was placed on them because he feared their power. But in gwyns re-written history it was to contain muh evil that he conveniently had to use to defeat the dragons.

>>377136147
The abyss existed long before manus actually.

>>377122572
>DS2 was my first souls game
Disgusting.

>>377138069
dark souls was my first souls game

DaS > DaS2 >>> DaS3

DaS3 is a decent game in many ways but it just feels like a shit mesh of dark souls and bloodborne

>>377136147
we are not talking about manus or how the abyss started in oolacile we are talking about the nature of the abyss (also humans messed up with a human, lords had nothing to do with that shitstorm on oolacile) headcanon again there is no evidence the curse of the undead was a gwyn plot in fact there is evidence that the curse of undead is an effect of the fire fading "But then there was Fire and with fire came disparity. Heat and cold, life and death, and of course, light and dark" fire fading = no life and dead = Undeads roaming the land.

Also are you retarded? one anon already explained how both serpents were lying to us and the "dark is the natural cycle" meme has to die, btw i hope you get cancer and forget taking any meds or treatment, i mean its the natural cycle of life right faggot?

>>377136710
go away nigger with your commi shit, you have no evidence to sustain the shit you say, please shut the fuck up

>The abyss existed long before manus actually.

Not in Oolacile you fucking retard pice of shit

I just finished Dark Souls 3 and didn't link the fire because I'm the prince of darkness

>>377139927
Edgy boy

>>377139927
>not being the first minister of the republic of darkness

>>377138804
>no evidence
The entire DLC was showing how history was wrong, or did you miss that in DaS1 as well?

>ringed knights were used by the pygmies to fight dragons with gwyn and co. just like silver knights
>they win
>???
>humans get darksigned and the pygmies are imprisoned in TRC
>undead slaves are forced into the worst battles
>all of lordran is set up to push undead into an hopeless cycle of rekindling so the other gods dont have to do shit

Now please tell me what the age of darkness does and why its so evil and needs to be sealed by a ring of fire? Because things in the untended graves were just fine.

friendly reminder that dark souls 3 is completely average and at best a 6/10!

>>377138804
>Not in Oolacile

The abyss was around when dragons were so its probably just at the bottom of everything.

Maybe like layers.
At the top of the arch trees was lordran as seen from ash lake where kingdoms were build and light can reach.
The intro cutscene shows that ash lake is also were the dragons were with the endless grey crags if the trees are to be seen as the same.
And below would be the abyss, an eternal layer of dark where the first flame burst forth from. In the beginning the abyss was probably quite small and pushed to the edges of existence but as the flame fades you know.

One always comes out of the other because cycles or some shit.

>>377141480
I killed everything that moved in the Dark Souls world and brought the darkness, the night is a beautiful lady who loves me a lot

>>377132463
>This flaw is perfection.
?

>>377124687
What would you have done instead?

>>377124885
>I'm going to find a way to fix this shit
And he never does. Just kinda walks away with his big burning tree-man friend.

>>377126826
Light = time. Less light = less time. Therefore, the time in Lordran is convoluted because there's not as much light aka fire as there used to be. I guess when all is dark then time just stops and nobody dies because they're all pygmies anyway.

>>377135278
Yes. What do you think the First Sin was? By fucking over humans with the Darksign he began the cycle of them (along with the odd giant) being forced to repeatedly link the fire. With the remaining gods acting as facilitators of this. Even built a whole kingdom revolving around this concept with Lothric.

>>377144607
>Even built a whole kingdom revolving around this concept with Lordran

fix'd

>>377141832
This.

>>377144693
Lothric, Lordran. Same shit, different time. Lothric was just more explicit about it, even grooming its royal line to serve as kindling for the fire.

>>377144215
Did they fuck?

>>377144976
Aldia has those weird fucking branch tendrils so that's up to you.

Friendly reminder that Gwyn's a cuck and Gwyndolin is actually Seath's kid. That bullshit about sun being masculine, moon feminine is nonsense when both Gwynevere and Fillianore are bright and sunny as shit.

>>377144870
Lordran was classier and left the work to the lower castes.

I mean the crow doesnt take you to firelink for no reason. The undead asylum, the bells, and seaths fortress are all there to guide undead to eventually succeeding gwyn as kindling by being stronk enough to get there.

They both are for sure just had different ways about doing it.

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>>377145285
>seaths fortress
the fuck was I smoking when I typed this.
I meant sen's fortress clearly.

>tfw we got anal rodeo but not sens funhouse in das3

>Dark Souls introduces the concept of the Undead Curse
>Dark Souls 2 goes into further detail of what the curse is and how it affects humanity
>Dark Souls 3 reveals the origins of the Undead Curse and how they tie into Gwyn being a giant shit
I'd say Fromsoft succeeded.

>>377122760
Were the snake "legs" ever explained?

>>377145142
Well Gwyndolin does have those snakes and Seath has tentacles...

>>377145556
If 3 told us more about the dark rather than paintings I would say so.

Its a shame we never got to see what an age of dark might been, you go into so many futures/pasts throughout the series I dont see why t hey couldnt do it or at least had the pygmies have lore about it.

>>377108698
Both. They were working together the whole time. That's the whole point.

>>377145838
To what end? Why did they bother even being "diametrically opposed" when it would have been easier to just give one outcome?

>>377145749
Not only that, the snakemen were made by seath.

>seath was also a cuck and invented snake men to fuck gwyndolin

>>377146003
To give the illusion of choice.

That way rebellion still fits into your schemes

Is there a legit way of doing the aota dlc before killing sif without using ce to give yourself the ring?

>>377141832
>Because things in the untended graves were just fine.

Oh yeah being a mindless hollow is da shit.

And no you shit head, stop being retarded and learn to read before making stupid statments, Gwyn put the darksign IN THE ARMORS in the abyss forged ARMORS NOT IN THE HUMANS and that was before the fight with the dragons, BEFORE NOT AFTER you retarded shit, he put it to contain the fucking abyss in the armors its in the fucking descriptions for goods sake, learn to fuciking read You fucking moron.

>>377145749
And magic which was created by Seath, and so happens to be the only one hidden away from sight, and adept with illusions, a branch of sorcerery.

Serpents are also said to be incomplete dragons.

>>377142548
Stop your fucking mind canon al ready, the abyss is humanity going wild its canon its in the fucking game they tell you that, humanity didint existed till the furtive pigmy split the dark souls creating humans, fuck off

>>377146004
>>377146324
Man, six years on I never thought about this.

>>377145772
>Its a shame we never got to see what an age of dark might been
There never was an age of dark. No matter what, someone eventually came along to link the fire. The Ashen One is the first to end the cycle entirely.

The painting is relevant because it means that even after the world crumbles into nothingness and darkness takes over, those left will have a place to call home and wait out the storm until Fire reemerges. I just with there was some kind of cut-scene to accompany this fact. But that's because the Old Hunters was filled with cut-scenes.

>>377145838
How do you figure? One wants you to link the fire, extending the age of the gods, the other wants you to let it go out.

>>377145142
some one here didint get the memo about gwyndoling being gwyns bastards son, not gwyns wife bastard son. nice head canon tho 1/10 made me reply

>>377146456
The place where we see the Pygmy acquire the Dark Soul looks just like his arena in the Chasm of the Abyss.

>>377145556
>desilutional fag trying to shit on the real hero

Nice.

>>377146727
Is that in DSIII?

>>377146727
>one head of the jew wants you to accept racemixing and the other finances trump
Looks like you are a dumb goy that can't into 4D chess.

>>377146456
Then why was the ringed knight armor forged in the abyss if it didnt exist back then?

>humanity didint existed till the furtive pigmy
I never said otherwise?
Why so hostile all the time. You guys suck to talk lore with

>>377146852
Was meant to >>377146596 Or maybe a clever scheme into a scheme.

>>377146727
So Gwyn fucked a dragon? He's an even bigger scalie than Nameless, yet shamed and exiled his son for doing the same thing?

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>>377146852
>>377146982
Not following you.

>>377146596
>One wants you to link the fire, extending the age of the gods, the other wants you to let it go out.
Eventually, you'll run out of things to burn.

>>377146324
wait a second.... solaire used lighting miracles!!!!! gwyn son comfirmed11!!!11

Kek

>>377146275
>mindless hollow
Yeah the shrinemaiden was so damn mindless I forgot that I had a conversation with her.

>Gwyn put the darksign IN THE ARMORS in the abyss forged ARMORS NOT IN THE HUMANS
He did both.

>that was before the fight with the dragons
Ill need proof of that boy-o

>to contain the abyss
Yeah that oh so dangerous abyss the pygmies were able to perfectly use to forge armor to fight dragons.

>>377146569
>The Ashen One is the first to end the cycle entirely.
The Ashen One is actually just letting the cycle play out.
Linking the Fire and Usruping it both represent attempts to break the cycle and both are doomed to fail.

>>377147065
That's still not working to the same end, and extremely counter-productive. Frampt would be better off crushing various Chosen Undeads in his mouth.

Better evidence, prior to Dark Souls II anyway, was the fact that both of them want you take out the Four Kings, which requires breaking the seal on New Londo, unleashing the Darkwraiths. In fact that idea went around a lot a few years back.

>>377147217
I mean the cycle of constantly re-linking the fire. You just snuff that shit with you're waifu and then die or whatever happens after the screen goes dark.

>>377146973
because abbys wasnt arround oolacile, manus created that chasm, i never say abyss didint existed before that, but abyss DIDINT exist IN OOLACILE till manus. And thats a fact.

>>377146569
>No matter what, someone eventually came along to link the fire
That was the devs mistake not letting us see something interesting for once. Something the first game did pretty well.

Ashen one technically ends the cycle, he links it and thats why it goes to ash in the arena with gael, because that last burst of fire finishes burning the world up.

Painting isnt a solution either really since they clearly rot easily.

>>377147251
>which requires breaking the seal on New Londo, unleashing the Darkwraiths.

That was such a dumb part of the game.

> bro the Abyss started to bring about Darkwraiths so we had to flood an entire city and stand watch for an eternity so no Darkwraiths escaped to the surface.
> What are the Darkwraiths?
> Oh just normal dudes in Skeletor masks who're weaker than the fucking snakemen.

>>377147063
see
>>377146090

>>377147418
>I mean the cycle of constantly re-linking the fire
Fair enough.
I really hate how DaS II made firelinking into a "cycle" when in the first game it was considered to be going against the course of nature since the fire was suppose to fade.
>>377147549
And considering what the Deep may be, flooding New Londo may not have been the smartest of choices.

>>377147549
Yeah when Ingward brought up the Darkwraiths I was expecting some heavy shit. Still, it's thematically relevant that they're just men falling prey to Kaathe's shit.

>>377147618
You still haven't provided any evidence and used analogies to Trump and such instead of just saying what's actually on your mind.

>>377147441
Okay I didnt quite catch that part originally.

Yeah manus created a pocket of abyss it seems in oolacile, or at least a corrupted abyss like the chaos flame.

>>377147206
>Ill need proof of that boy-o
yeah but you cant give proof of any of the b8 tier shit you are talking here, if you need any proof sit down and fucking read the item descriptions faggot

>>377147058
Probably? there is Yorshka too she calls gwyndolin brother and Gwyn father, so who knows

>>377147058
Nameless did it with consenting dragons, which is bad

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>>377108698

Souls games lore is the biggest pile of undeservedly venerated bullshit in all of gaming.

Basically, you're all fucking idiots for paying any attention to it.

It's all just a big smokescreen designed to fool you into thinking that there's something tying the locations and enemy types together.

The truth is that From Software made every single Souls game not giving a flying fuck about the story then came up with some awkward as fuck, convoluted, hole-ridden, pretentiously metaphysical explanation for all that was put into the game for purely visual reasons on a dirty napkin and put it in the game through item descriptions and short bits of dialog. The fucking characters weren't even designed to fit in the story, they're simply wearing armor sets that look cool.

The people who made those games are having a laugh every time they think of gullible idiots over-analyzing their half-assed plot.

YOU FUCKERS KNOW I'M RIGHT, YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT.

>>377147773
Everything I have said is in game.

The shrinemaiden exists and I have read all the item descriptions I found and looked up even more, and in fact spend a lot of time reading descriptions over and over whenever I'm in a thread like this. Yet to find one with a specific time saying when the seal of fire was created in either case. If you know that would be great if not shut the fuck up and go read for yourself.

>>377147731
>And considering what the Deep may be,
Aldrich is the only one who "saw" anything dealing with the Deep, right?

>>377147058
>>377147917
I'm almost positive that Yorshka is priscilla's daughter, and the painter may very well be too.

>>377110935
Vaati is great, stfu

I think Frampt was right life is more peaceful in the age of fire.

>>377148176
Aldrich dreamed of an Age of Deep Waters aka the Deep covering everything.

The Deep is a real thing and has some sort of connection with the abyss, but what exactly it is is unclear.

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>>377148074
Calm down, explain yourself better and give clear examples if you want people to listen to you.

Otherwise I'm just gonna respond with le maymay faces

>>377148074
>It's all just a big smokescreen designed to fool you into thinking that there's something tying the locations and enemy types together.

The flow of time is convoluted. There is a location where there is indeed something tying everything together.

>>377148364
>There is a location where there is indeed something tying everything together.
????

>>377148074

Calm down, anon. It's still fun to make sense of chaos. You wouldn't say all that shit to a psychiatrist showing you an ink blot would you? Sometimes it's interesting to see how something is interpreted instead of creating something so objectively defined that no one can argue over what it is.

>>377147731
>I really hate how DaS II made firelinking into a "cycle"
Except it had already been linked once by then and you were continuing the cycle.

That was the entire point of 1 and solaires main goal. You think it magically gets better after its linked? Things just keep going as is, keep the status quo, continue the cycle

>>377148336
The guy was only obsessed with power and might, choosing to devour opposition. I could buy one of the more mystical or academically inclined characters to have such a dream but who did Aldrich eat to dream about something that is never mentioned elsewhere?

>>377148074
Nah you're not right you're either shitposting, or are too stupid to pay attention to things. I mean good god DaS lays out everything in its intro for fuck's sake.

>>377147746
The imperfect dragons dont want dark or light.
Thats why they play both angles.

>>377148193
but then why is yorshka calling gwyndolin brother and gwyn father???

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Name ONE(1) reason why would you serve the gods instead of embracing the abyss

>>377148249
>I think Frampt was right life is more peaceful in the age of fire.
Things get done in an age of Fire, even if it all dies later. The Dark that we see in the area where Champion Gundyr is has the creatures carrying about like nothing in the dark. It's pretty much just sit about and do nothing forever.

>>377148806
>The imperfect dragons dont want dark or light.
Where did you get that impression? Kaathe told the denizens of Oolacile about the abyss, and taught the Four Kings the art of lifedrain. You don't actually have any evidence, just your supposition? I mean that's neat but I wish you had said that in the first place.

>>377108698
From for not including them in DaS3 (except those statues) despite the game being chock full of all sorts of fanservice.

>>377148630
>keep the status quo, continue the cycle
this meme has to die, liking the fire wasnt part of some High Lord plot to stay in power, it was to keep civilitation going, with out the fire they just go back to being self-less mindless hollows.

>>377148630
I'm just pointing out that firelinking isn't a natural cycle, its more of an attempt to break the cycle if anything.

>>377148639
>but who did Aldrich eat to dream about something that is never mentioned elsewhere?
Aldrich is able to forge miracles just by dreaming them up.
Since the Deep seems to be connected to the Abyss somehow, maybe eating all that humanity gave him that vision?
>>377148841
Shes adopted?

>>377149087
but they are dead anon, thats part of the plot on ds 3????????

>>377148993
I could touch fluffy tail.

I could try holding/serving Gwynevere with both hands.

Work the forge with Andre.

>>377149117
>liking the fire wasnt part of some High Lord plot to stay in power, it was to keep civilitation going, with out the fire they just go back to being self-less mindless hollows.

Not that I disagree, but by the time of DaS III, there isn't anything left to burn or civilizations to save for that matter.

>>377148993
I'm not going to believe some lying locust's lies.

>>377149017
>>377149117
>muh mindless hollows in the dark
You literally talk to the shrinemaiden. Hold a conversation with an NPC.

Hollowing was never about light or dark, not even how many times you die. Its all about your mindset and motivation.

Thats why random poeple go crazy for no reason, thats why the dark isnt evil at all, but much worse. Because without light how could you possibly get anything done? Darkness leads to apathy and without a purpose you will become a hollow Its a shit mindset but thats how it is,

Shrinemaiden understands that to simply exists is a great goal, same with the PC

>>377148587
Why are you even bothering to state this? Are you so stupid to not understand the objective events that transpired in DaS1, II, or III? The only shit that comes about in "interpretations" are the nature of how Humanity functions, and how the first flame functions.

>>377149387
Fear not the dark my friend

>>377149498
>Claims that no insects originate from the abyss
>'Gnaw' miracle proves otherwise

>>377149792
Gnaw is from the deep

The locust preachers themselves are big ass bugs that want to eat you though

>>377149050
Eh I guess it was out there.

How about this, Frampts goal was to preserve gwyns cycle of linking the flame. Ok sure makes sense.
Kaathe wants to break the cycle. Also simple enough.

Now for their actions, frampt does what he says for the most part.
Kaathe just fucks around causing chaos so that gwyns kingdom might one day fall, without artorias it was only a matter of time for the other knights that remained to fall.

Now for their intent as I see it.
Kaathe wants you to rule an age of dark, to kill the cycle. Thats all well and good but if that was the case why on earth would he have gone through with his previous schemes involving manus and lifedrain. Both of those were awful ideas and he had to know that.
Frampt on the other hand is a lying son of a bitch that straight up joins you on the dark side at the end. The only reason I can think of helping you to light the fire when he clearly doesnt want that is maybe to weed out the weaklings, to continue the little game until a stong enough undead arrives as the true lord. It is rather difficult to meet kaathe first especially your first run on the game.

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>>377150261
Kingdoms fight each other like the real world except theres magic and shit

>>377149439
Shut the fuck up already retard, of course the shirne maiden was there yeah, so what? the fire was ALMOST gone and just as Ludleth of Courland was able to link the fire, the shirne maiden waited in the fire link shirne to help the next lord. Its pretty fucking conveninet for you to ignore Champion Gundyr and everything the shirne maiden tells you after you gave her the drak eyes, fuck your self.

>>377125369
>>Fails just like Aldia and Vendrick did
>>377144215
>And he never does


At least he fucking tried. Which is more than DS1 and DS3 dood do. Painting is a fucking cop out and you know it.

>>377150352
Let this be a spin off

>>377122428
In the design works it shows off shields that were chosen from a contest and that shield was a winner.

>were actually no more than rotten meat
>we need purpose to move on
>we all know it ends in darkness and yet fight to strecht our fire for as long as possible
>tfw Dark Souls is just a metaphor for life

>>377149215
Did i miss something?

>>377151352
yeah and its awesome

>>377150259
>Kaathe just fucks around causing chaos so that gwyns kingdom might one day fall, without artorias it was only a matter of time for the other knights that remained to fall.

To facilitate bringing out the darkness. The Darkwraiths were gathering Humanity, fragments of the Dark Soul. Kaathe told Oolacile about Manus, the Pygmy.
>why on earth would he have gone through with his previous schemes involving manus and lifedrain. Both of those were awful ideas and he had to know that.

"They failed me, every last one of them.
They were strong, but saw not the truth.
I am certain that you will prove different."

>The only reason I can think of helping you to light the fire when he clearly doesnt want that is maybe to weed out the weaklings, to continue the little game until a stong enough undead arrives as the true lord. It is rather difficult to meet kaathe first especially your first run on the game.

That's interesting, I'll have to digest that.

>>377150867
>Let this be a spin off
Would the monkey's paw have it so it's just a shitty Dynasty Warriors clone?

>>377150517
>hurr

The shrine maiden in the untended graves is not the firekeeper who you give the eyes too. You seem to be angry and its honestly not as easy to follow what shit you say when its all fragmented like that.

Also the Champ was doing much better in the dark, the pus of man was gone from him. That gross infection didnt exist in the dark, it was peaceful.

>after you give her the eyes
I already said thats the wrong NPC but the shit the FIREKEEPER says is hardly indicative of a world without people. All she says is that its dark, and even in the very end shes still there with full consciousness.
Can you here me?

>>377151641
>dur

>>377151641
>Can you hear me?
>"HEY"
>"Where are you?"
>Muffled "HEY" in the distance as the Unkindlchosen Bearer is just fucking around like some jackass playing Marco Polo

>>377151445
Yuria's quest probably i missed it too in my frist run

>>377151848
>in game lore
>hurr
Ok buddy

>>377151889
>a world of never ending stubbed toes
Yeah gwyn might have been right after all

>>377148074
PvP fags are the worst.

>>377152106
what do you want me to tell you nigger, you are retarded, i know the fire keeper is not in the graves, you found the eyes there and after you give it to the firekeeper luthet and her tell you what was going on the graves.

>That gross infection didnt exist in the dark, it was peaceful.

im pretty sure this is b8 now, enjoy your last (You) deserve it.

>>377151952
She mentions Kaathe, but i dont think she says hes dead.

>>377122983
>yfw that thing on its "snout" is actually a face, and what seems to be eyes is ears.

the eyes glow, reflecting the light that shines at it while taking the picture.

>>377147731
It's an unnatural cycle within a natural one. It's supposed to go Ancients -> Fire -> Dark, but Gwyn, faggot that he is, stopped the world from moving onto the next age, and instead forced a constant rekindling of fire.

>>377148336
Isn't the Deep that pit of dark water in the back of the Cathedral of the Deep? It's a physical place, yet we never go there. Would have been cool to jump into that like the Moonside Lake and end up in some abyssal nightmare zone with swarms of flesh-eating insects and God knows what else

>>377148993
You tried to eat me.

>>377149087
At least the Ringed City has statues depicting their "true" forms.

>>377148247
shut up Vaati

>>377150639
You can't cure the curse without breaking the cycle. Aldia knew that much. The First Flame is connected to the Darksign thanks to Gwyn, and so long as it exists humans will go hollow. I'm guessing the Dark Sigils are the same sign without the seal of fire, since they're literally holes in the body from which your Dark Soul leaks out.

>>377151568
I guess Gael succeeded as a true Dark Lord since he literally ate every fragment of the Dark Soul in existence to bring it all back together.

>there are people that think because Frampt lies to you that Kaathe must be telling the truth
>these simpletons never think both are lying to you

>>377151641
>Also the Champ was doing much better in the dark, the pus of man was gone from him
Isn't that because it took place in the past, before Ludleth did his bullshit? He's still got glowing red eyes, which means Abyssal taint.

>>377151641
>>377156370
Wasn't he locked up by Oceiros, got there late and went hollow, resulting in the dark setting in and Ludleth having to link the fire?

>>377153594
In the Japanese version when you kill her she says something about Kaathe's dying wish.

>>377108698
Be a human match and wait for the next fuckboi to slay you, or puppet on a string who may need a nightlight cause shits too dark and corrupted
Honestly when you kill gwyn just turn off the game

>>377122760
Please stop posting this it's uncomfortable and reminds me of the original

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>>377154720
no shit sherlock, everyone knows that which is why it's scary and the picture gets reposted

>>377158045
>scary
it looks silly at most. funny even. but scary?

>>377158337
I think it looks pretty scary tbqh

>>377158337
>but scary?
It's a freaky thing floating about in an ocean of fish and mammal jizz in darkness.

>>377146246
Yes, you only need to clear anal rodeo, kill the forest hydra, and get the item from the start of the archives to get to aota
If you kill Artorias before Sif you get a special cutscene at the beginning of the Sif fight

>>377158337
t. biological scientist in a Ridley Scott movie

>>377111190
That's dumb, you're dumb.

I'm got to go get this dark party started right!

>>377108698
My most shameful fap is fapping to the scene where he grabs you in his mouth. Fuck I hate having a vore fetish.

>>377108972
Aldia know there was nothing, he utterly resented the fate of man but was forced to accept it.

> Some faggot will always bring fire back from the brink of darkness.

Then why should I even bother with the dark route since it will produce no meaningful outcome

>>377160002
You didn't finish 3 did you?

anything that has a beginning also has an end. this includes gods, humanity and human souls. the true, natural cycles concern the world that will cycle between dark and light, spawning new first flame and with it, new souls.

that's why gwyn's fire linking pseudo cycle is an abomination. it traps souls, those who are supposed to go back to rest in a state of perpetual shit, refusing to let the flame die and a fresh, new one to spawn later.

Breaking the cycle (prolonging either the age of fire or the age of dark) fucks up the world

The snakes just want to fuck with people, specially kaathe

>>377144607
>along with the odd giant
It was just Yhorm. His story actually teaches us about how shitty gwyn is.

Yhorm tried to link the fire to save his people and it did burn him alive, but it turns out that gwyn's linking and seal of fire on humanity meant that the fire needs humans as fuel.

When the fire consumed Yhorm it didn't find any humanity so it spread to the profaned capital and consumed all the humans in it.

>>377122290
Literally the nigger of the DaS universe

>dragons are chilling and cool in balance with the world
>this niggers arrives and doomes to word to a cycle of infinite suffering

BRAVO

What the fuck is the deep? Another BB reference like the painting implication?

>>377162072
From the descriptions of deep soul and related sorceries i'd wager a guess that the deep is rotten ancient souls.

From great deep soul:
>Archdeacon McDonnell, a sorcerer himself, delighted in the cathedral's stagnating souls. For him, they represented the glorious bedrock of this world

Perhaps the future aldrich saw of a deep sea is a result of the cycles going on so long that all souls, and the world itself has become stagnant and rotten.

>>377162858
So it's a metacommentary about the series growing stale over time?

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>>377148993
I would always choose the Dark unless I can serve the halfbreeds.