Trails/Kiseki thread

>>377108439
To make everyone salty as fuck, then laugh at them.

Tita's mother is such a shitty character.
Like, fuck, she's worse than Angelica and Angelica was terrible as it is.

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Can anyone explain to me why Estelle is such a weak character? What am I missing?
Playing SC right now and every other character seems way more useful in combat.

Find out in Crossbell. Oh, wait.

>>377108718
Wait until you play 3rd. She goes straight to garbage tier

>>377108718
Because TitS is a bad game, okay Cold Steel is the best and Rean is a badass! Stop playing bad games.

>>377108785
I thought she is optional in 3rd?
Fucking hell, cant I get rid of her once she isnt protag anymore?!

>>377108718
>>377108831
She's the jack of all trades in a trilogy where being a jack of all trades isn't very useful. She gets even more outclassed in 3rd because the two new characters who join in that game are completely fucking broken. At least Estelle isn't the main character of 3rd and there's only one chapter where you have to use Estelle.

>>377108895
I wish I could swap her out for Tita

>>377108895
>She's the jack of all trades in a trilogy where being a jack of all trades isn't very useful
This except it's true for most of the series. Cold Steel Jusis has a similar problem except Jusis still has great buffs, while Estelle has to rely on the incredibly mediocre Morale and a few utility moves to contribute anything besides support spells.

There's no point in using jacks of all trades when you have masters of all trades like Joshua/Sara or ridiculous fucking shit like Richard/Rean.

>>377109126
Morale was atleast ok for awhile in fc/sc because it took awhile to get good buffs but it was so useless in the 3rd. You got comparable buffs like La Forte much earlier and in the 3rds case way before she joined.

>>377109073
Tita becomes ridiculously good in 3rd and then gets top tier once you get her upgrade,

>>377108718
Estelle was balanced so that you could hit shit or do magic shit.

This results in not only shitty stats in both physical and magic, but also a shitty quartz line, the most important part of casters in Kiseki

The only characters outright worse than her in SC are Tita and Josette, and Tita gets a massive upgrade in 3rd

>Chapter 7 the entire crew busts into the gates of hell to save Kevin and Ries
>Renne is among the melee fighters instead of among the casters
I mean sure, she has a huge scythe and her STR isn't horrible, but is there any reason to not set her up as a pure caster?

>>377108439
How could he be the GM when all of us have been peeking his conversation with GM?

>>377109126
I remember when I started FC a few years ago, Estelle had zero restriction on her orbment and I thought "surely that's why she's the main character" then I saw how broken Joshua was with his time quartz and high speed.
Falcom couldn't balance her right, since then they avoided that "jack of all trade, no orbment restriction" character type like the plague.

>>377109524
Well they did do it again with Renne but gave her a single line making her the best caster in all 3 games.

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>>377108439

>trapanella

Mm, the pleasure...

>>377108439
banging the grandmaster?

Honestly, I just slapped all the arts shit on Estelle and made her my caster, never really had any trouble finding use for her. Used Olivier as well for that until he became unavailable. I did use Kloe a bit as a caster at the end of SC and turned Estelle into a buff machine and at that point she actually did output decent damage and value thanks to Wheel of Time and decent gear.

>>377108718
She just is. That's an unfortunate fact.

>The Stigma is originally a thing of the Church
>The reason Weissman was able to make one is because he's a former Church member,
as the Salt Pale report says
>Kevin appears to have the fucking Gate of Babylon or something
Well that's one fucking way to start off a chapter.

So I just started FC after buying it fuck knows when.
How much missable stuff is there in the game? Do I have to talk to every NPC in every town after every main quest like in some other JRPGs or am I fine if I just check the Bracer guild boards?
I know about that book series thing but is there anything else?

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Calvard when?

>>377110308
A lot. Check a guide or something

>>377108718
Estelle is not even jaeger tier

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>>377110308
There's some missable sidequests that have a very small window gap. It's optional to talk to every NPC but each has their own story across FC and SC.

>>377110559
What about the chosen one?

>>377110308
>talking to NPCs
>after every main quest
It's every cutscene that changes every single NpC dialogue in the area.

>>377108718
That reminds me: is Lloyd useful in his game?
From what I saw in CS2's Intermission he has some ridiculously useful crafts.

So last few threads some anon talked about Crossbell being announced at E3. Thoughts?

>>377109524
>hey she has no quartz restrictions, must be good for casting
>Joshua has a higher ATS than her

>>377110779
Sweet delusion.
I wish I could wallow in it myself.

>>377110308
There's quite a lot of missable's I would honestly recommend a guide. Without one you end up needing to talk to pretty much everyone after any story trigger. Bracer Guild quests should also being completed ASAP, short ones generally are available only until the next story event while long ones are generally available for most of or the entire chapter. There's also side quests I missed where you need to visit the towers in a region early in the chapter while Professor Alba is still there.

>I know about that book series thing but is there anything else?
The vast majority of its jobs for max BP, the books are really the only other major one again would recommend a guide for them as they are stupid as fuck to find without one. Getting them all also gives Estelle or Joshua their ultimate weapon. Chests and anything in them is also missable after you leave a region since you can't return to previous regions but in SC you will have a chance to return at a certain point. So when your ready to leave a region at the start of a chapter make sure you are ready to leave.

>>377110779
You'll get CSIII and you'll be grateful

>>377110893
I'd be happy to get that much, really.

>>377110893
Wont be hearing anything about it till after its out in japan.

>>377108718
Physiccally, Hard Break becomes pretty decent once you've upgraded it to True, unlike her whirlwind craft. The latter should only ever be used for pushing enemies away because its damage is horrible. Comet can be okay for dealing with high armored targets, but usually isn't very good either. Her final S-craft is actually a quite strong single target attack if you give her the STR to use it.

Her ATS is decent enough that she's still useful against enemies that are resistant to physical, but her quartz lines aren't good enough that you should ever specialize her towards arts use.

So in short, use Hard Break a lot. It's spammably cheap, has a good area of effect, has Impede, and does more damage than any of her other crafts.

>>377110779
XSEED's internal plan/hope is to release it on 2018 Fall. But really, they expect it to take much longer.

>>377111320
You got a source on that, anon?

>>377108785
I actually had a decent time with her in the 3rd. She always had great physical attack and her S Craft's healing gives her sustainability/independence. Although I'm sure it was because I gave her all the good shit. Anelace and Richard would probably outclass her if I focused on them, but Estelle didn't disappoint nearly as much as she did in SC.

I've just finished beating the optional 5 Cryptids bosses in Trails of Cold Steel 2. How far am I from the end?

>>377111253
>Her final S-craft is actually a quite strong single target attack if you give her the STR to use it.
Problem is, it's a late-game S-Craft and it's single-target.
That kind of shit just doesn't fly.

>>377108439
He's an immortal Isekai character, granted boons by the grandmaster. He's just bored and wants to get back to his world

>>377110680
Lloyd is a similar to Estelle with jack of all trades stats & no restrictions orbment but he has much better crafts.

Are the older Legend of Heroes games worth playing? I just watched the first game's opening and it's pretty neat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD6cdcCMVDU

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>>377108439
Getting stabbed by a salt bolt probably.

>>377111812
>no restrictions
Huh, he was fire and earth in CS2. Wonder why they changed it.

>>377112043
Imagine being so much of a faggot that this is literally how you cook.

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>>377111868
Yes

Play all of Falcom's older shit if you can too, like the Brandish games

>>377111541
>>377111541
So he is the protagonist of the calvard arc?

>>377112189
Yes, Campanella is gonna be the MC and we're playing as a squad of enforcers, including Bleublanc and Walter

>>377112189
No silly, Calvard's going to be about cute magical girl idols doing cute girl things but with Trails-tier depth

>>377112187
Not him but I decided to play through Ys after finishing 3rd.
Should I play the Steam version of 1 or the PC-88 version of 1.

>>377112071
Everyone has a main and a secondary element n CS.

>>377112346
>No silly, Calvard's going to be about cute magical girl idols doing cute girl things but with Trails-tier depth
Is there some basis for this or is this one of those "it's the current anime fad so it'll be in a Kiseki game" because lol Falcom

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>>377108718
She's a jack of all trades master of none, and she suffers for it.

Lloyd from Crossbell saga is also a jack of all trades, but they give him decent stats, so he's useful all the way through. The other problem with Estelle is that her crafts are absolute garbage.

>>377112162
There's nothing wrong with a bit of flourish when you're entertaining people.

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>>377112346
What religion does Calvard follow?
This is important.

>>377110680
His stats are way better, he can do physical and magic decent enough, not on the same level as dedicated characters to a certain stat, but he's times better than Estelle.

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>>377112478
Maybe he gets Falcom and Gust mixed up.

>>377112346
/cal/ - Calvard activities.

>>377112071
>Estelle comes back later in the series
>Now Space/Fire or Fire/Earth, losing her biggest niche
>Does not gain any new niche to make up for this
can't wait

>>377112564
Since they are not-USA I imagine there's a backbone foundation of Aidios worship that fell to the wayside leaving many people non-religious and materialistic instead, also eastern immigrants with their own faiths and cultures diluting the pool too.

>>377111868
If you can stomach the bad translation Gagharv's good.

https://youtu.be/8GcEdX93ckc

https://youtu.be/5Ov46WMHD6I

https://youtu.be/OWnOJTbHZOM

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>>377112346
I'd unironically pay $100 for this

>you and your cast of cute moeblob idols will never fight evil Ouroboros enforcers who are also cute idols

>>377112739
It's not like the Septian Church was ever big on curbing spiritualists and pagans either, from what we know.

>>377112690
>Space/Fire
Fire isn't that bad of an orbment lock. Its no Time but its far from terrible like Water. Space is so so but I guess you can use it for support.

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>defeat Loewe
>Karin appears next to him for 1 second before vanishing
That was heartwarming

>>377112369
Steam

>>377112865
It depends, animism is bigger in Erebonia than it is in Liberl for example.

>>377112884
To be fair, you're going to always want one Mind-type quartz on a caster anyway.
It's just that they went full retard with locking not two, but three slots on Kloe with water.

>>377112887
dumb phoneposter

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>>377113074
Gotta make up for the fact her ATS is superior to everyone else.

>>377112690
Honestly if I had to guess I'd say Estelle would be Fire and Wind.

>>377113458
Too bad water didn't have the arts from Zero/AO, cause water has some pretty good AoE spells in it.

>>377113458
True.
Didn't keep me from putting her in my end-game party for both FC and SC anyway, along with Olivier.
I also think she's the cutest Sky girl,
followed by Jill and Dorothy with her Evo portrait
>>377113542
Space/Fire makes perfect sense, really, parallels with the sun and all.

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>>377108718
Play Akatsuki, Estelle one shots everyone with her aoe delay craft at max level

>>377109341
Estelle actually have a rather high strength growth, which is hampered by her weapon's low base damage. This becomes a non-issue with the 'ultimate' weapons, which have max damage rolls.

>>377112884
I mostly just picked Fire since it seemed realistic on her. We could always go Earth/Mirage if she needs to suffer.
>Earth characters in Sky are forced into Defense, tanking Zin's attack and ensuring Josette is totally worthless physically
>Earth characters in Cold Steel don't get the Str debuff, but also don't get free Earth Wall out of it and need to spend a slot just for weaker versions of it and Genesic Barrier
What were they even going for?

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>>377113356
Cry for me

>>377113745
>forced into Defense, tanking Zin's attack
???
Just don't put a quartz in?

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>>377113356
>post from android
>images keep their original file name
Hmm

>>377113617
I think Space and Mirage both feel too grandiose for a down to earth baka like Estelle.

Is it just me or does that Geriatric Barrier spell kind of break the final boss in 3rd?

Any homolust in these games?

>>377113970
It defintely does.

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>>377113745
Just put Septium Vein. If you want to use Strike quartz don't even bother puting anything into the Earth slot.

>>377112690
What would Joshua be? Time & mirage?

>>377113745
>What were they even going for?
Who had Earth slots in CS again? Machias and Millum?
For Machias it's pretty blatant: stick a poison/petrify and wail at them. Machias is a debuff/ailment machine, after all.
Plus the R ones were pretty balanced, offensive ones buffing STR/DEF and defensive buffing HP/DEF

>>377113860
Clover as opposed to using the browser, maybe?

Anyone know the colors for all the airships in Liberl? I always get these questions in Maniac mode.

>>377114295
Towa and Lloyd too.

>>377114423
Uh, the Arseille is white, whatever the Zeiss company ship is called is orange, the airliners are blue, the Bobcat is green, something like that? I haven't gotten to that minigame yet, what chapter do you get it on?

>>377114364
Clover keeps the original filename.

>>377114238
I feel like he'd be Time and Wind.

>>377114630
Late in chapter 6.

>>377114630
Isn't the Linde green? And I think the international one was... red?

>>377113825
I mean obviously that's an option, but it's still shitty since literally any other lock could be theoretically useful. Earth lock means that either you waste the slot or you get
>Defense (which is redundant on Zin and not enough to save Josette)
>Poison (which is almost totally useless)
>Petrify (probably your best bet, but still not helping you much against bosses)
>Septium Vein (which is good enough that it should probably be on someone who can actually use it effectively instead of wasted on a bimbo or a single-target physical wall)

>>377114295
>Who had Earth slots in CS again? Machias and Millum?
Machias, Towa, and Lloyd had two
Gaius, Millium, and technically Altina had one
Machias and Millium can actually use it effectively since they're almost specifically tailored to it, but Towa doesn't get much from it and Gaius is for Wild Rage spam anyway.

Zero is being translated as we speak

>>377114873
Stop making things up anon

>>377114630
Each of the airliners have different colors. Red, blue, green, and yellow I believe.

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I liked the part aboard Pantagruel way more than the one aboard Glorious.
I mean, yeah, the escape is cheesy as fuck compared to
the Glorious one is well, glorious, but chilling with all those enforcers and jaegers made me giggle like a child. Especially Rean just sitting there listening to Bleublanc's tales.

>>377114979
It's not really a lie since there is a fan TL.

>>377114823
You forgot Mute, which is relatively pointless as well.

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>>377114736
>tfw everyone will get a personal Tita sexbot archaism

>>377114979
I'm not. Xseed started it months ago.

>>377114660
That was the first thing that came to mind but Fie has that exact same setup so I went with something else. But then again, there's a limited amount of combinations and Fie is in the lore just a diet Joshua so it makes sense.

>>377115251
Lets see
Time/Wind - Fie
Time/Fire - Rean
Time/Water - Crow

Did anyone do Time/Earth?

>>377115029
It was good until you you go rescue Alfin which is hands down my least favorite scene in all of Trails. It makes me so fucking mad. Not only was it absolutely retarded with Rean just running past 4 enforcer tier enemies who all go "whoops I held back too hard" but they also wasted what could've been an emotional moment of growth for Rean on some dumb "Elise once told me" proxy pep talk by Alfin.

Opinions are like assholes they all stink and everybody's got one

Sadly it just happens that skyfags are some of the most bitter, miserable fucks on the planet, and they can't go a second without making sure everyone knows how they feel about cold steel

And I say that as someone who prefers sky. Give it a rest, faggots

>>377115029
Bleublanc is always awesome and the scene with Xeno and Leonidas was excellent and it serves to further drive home how much better people the Zephyr jaegers are than their rivals in Red Constellation. But Altina was just romcom le headpat trash and McBurn is a living ironic meme.

>>377115543
Elise and Alfin by association are definitely the worst parts of CS.

>>377115965
There is literally one post criticizing CS and it's completely in line with the discussion. Stop being such an easily triggered insecure bitch.

Daily reminder that the fan translation is being worked on and it's in editing phase (which obviously takes most of the time with QA):
https://geofront.esterior.net/2017/05/15/rumors-of-our-completion-are-exaggerated/

>>377115242
How do you know this?

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fine taste there, old man

>>377116059
Zephyr being nice folks while Red Constellation, Northern Jaegers, and Niddhog being amoral murderers for hire just seems out of place

>>377116380
I'm only interested in supporting the official release.

>>377116451
If the translators agree XSeed can that translation and edit it?

>>377116116
Honestly it's such a shame they made Olivier's siblings so bad. Cedric is a boipussy in distress with almost no dialogue and Alfin is "hehe I wish you were my big bro Rean <3"

>>377116310
Not triggered or insecure but it gets old seeing every trails thread film of bitty skyfag manbabies whp don't know how to play nice with others.

>>377116406
Common sense. They began work on zero months ago when they finished 3rd's translation. Sometime between now and the end of the summer they will announce a 2018 release window.

>>377116532
Sure as long as they go through the proper channels.
I have no idea why a bunch of people are wasting their time translating a game with official support. There are a thousand other games which will never get translated they could be working on instead and not stepping on anyone's toes doing it.

>>377113996
Olivier.

Bisexual and horny.

>>377116438
>Northern Jaegers
Now that's just not right.
We even have Sara's scene, you know.
It's clear that they're just extremely desperate to restore North Ambria to its former glory.

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>>377111541
At last I truly see!

I keep hearing isekai being thrown around in these threads even though it has nothing to do with this series in the slightest.
Is it a hot meme on /a/ right now or something or did somebody just learn the term and fall in love with using it?

>>377116864
Yes.

>>377116864
It's what's popular in anime right now, and Trails typically reflects current trends except for Crossbell which for some reason featured cops.

>>377117128
Is isekai really more popular now than any other time?
Seems like there are other popular anime which would fit in with trails more.

Like Jojo, Attack on Titan or Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid.

>>377117275
Popular in Japan, not whatever normie-ized anime thats curfently airing in Toonami

>>377117387
>Jojo isn't popular in Japan

>>377116557
Senfags are so easily triggered when you point out their game is pretty crap

>>377117275
>tfw Calvard becomes a ripoff of videogame animes which in turn were ripoffs of videogame videogames like .hack

>>377117479
You mean YOUR OPINION that it's crap

>>377117275

Isekai is in decline actually, Kadokawa (a publisher) is placing a ban on new Isekai in their latest contest, if anything the fad is over.

>Cold Steel 3
>Rean awakens his Stand powers
What is his Stand's name?

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>>377117275
>Like Jojo

>>377117593
They already indirectly copied Jojo by copying Persona who was copying Jojo.

How do you get the upgraded version of Jinu for Anelace? Do you need to reach nightmare arena or complete with her in party?

Also, I really hate myself for not realizing that there is a second part to Tita's moon door. I did it during the final chapter and now Tita is a permament part of my main team.

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>>377117731
Yes. I don't know if you need Anelace in or not since I took her anyway. She's pretty good.

Nightmare arena is more difficult than the game's final boss though.

>>377117731
Do nightmare arena with anal ace in your party. I didnt realize it until the final chapter either with titas door and sadly barely got to use the orbal gear because Richard/Renne were cemented into my party.

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>mfw I finally realized that Pater-Mater means Father-Mother

>>377117896
You do i had to do it twice because i didn't have her the first time.

>>377117448
Jojo has always been popular, the anime hasn't had any special impact on its relevance there unlike in the west where Jojo went from virtually unknown among casual fans to biggest anime meme factory around.

>>377117928
Her S craft made me realize i was pronouncing it completely wrong.

>>377117928
Were you never provided with basic education?

>>377117558
The ban is exactly because of how oversaturated the market is with people trying to hit gold with the isekai shit. Rather than the fad being over, it's them trying to forcibly end the fad.

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>>377113860
>Rias with twintails
Why Kevin didn't tap this is completely beyond me.

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>tfw no more 90's tropes in my Trails games

fuck

>>377118240
Kevin only wanted Rufina.

>>377113860
>m.jpg
Nope, everyone can still tell you're posting from a phone.

>>377118031
>mfw pronounced Agate Ah-gayt instead of Aggat
>mfw pronounced Bose Bow-say isntead of Boss with long O sound
>mfw pronounced Ruan Ru-AAAAAHN instead of ROOOan
Can't pronounce for shit.

>>377118336
>Orphen
Oh it's that guy again.
Sell me on it, is it a good anime? I haven't watched any 90's stuff in a while.

>>377118810
>>mfw pronounced Agate Ah-gayt instead of Aggat

It's actually Agato if you are being super anal about correct translations

>>377118937
No that's not true.

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it's AGATO fucking dirty gaijin

>>377118528
Wanted. That's the keyword.

>>377117128
Isn't Crossbell a reflection of the urban fantasy trends of the time?

>>377108718

I just made her pure physical in SC with defensive quartz setup and she just destroyed everything. I don't know what you guys are on about.

>AOE attack
>Move Estelle in and finish all of them with the spin attack
>Nearly every battle

>>377118810
I somehow got the impression its pronounced Ah-ga-tay

>>377119420
>spin attack
1000 damage to three enemies each, the missed the other three enemies, that spin attack?

>>377119665

>Miss one guy

That always triggers my autism.

>>377118937
That o is just there because japs can't end words with consonants that aren't N. Agate is Falcom's own romanization, and a real English word, and is pronounced Aggat.

Jesus christ its pronounced Ay-gate just like the fucking word.

Anyone trying to do it another way is falling for retarded nip mispronunciations. /v/s vocabulary can't be this bad.

>>377115029
I almost agree with you but the actual escape scene is beyond terrible and I felt that the actual dialogue for most of the scenes was beyond trash and that really brought it down for me. All of CS 1 and 2 was just decent to good ideas with the worst execution possible.

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I can easily 1 vs 1 Cassius Blight

>>377118223
Its not just Kadokawa, most LN competitions are banning isekai entries.

>>377119764
Moon pronunciation is the correct one.
Say something nice about Len Hayworth.

>>377119764

It's a silent e. His name's pronounced and written as Agatto.

>>377119845
for 5 second yeah

>>377119764
But it is pronounced ah-get, or more accurately 'a-gət'

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>>377119845

>>377119764
It's pronounced faggot, without the f.

>>377114238
Joshua is probably Time because of his Stigma, just like Kevin is Time because of HIS Stigma.
I agree that thematically Mirage would be more fitting due to its association with stealth which is Joshua's forte, but I get the feeling quartz compatibility has more to do with the element of your soul than with your body and training.

>>377119764

Sagat minus the S.

>>377118089
Etymology was an elective in my high school. No one had to take it.

>>377118810
It must be hard for an Anglo to play this game with how many French and German names are in it.

>>377119764
>Ay-gate
Holy fuck. You literally mispronounce every syllable in the word.

>>377119885
>>377119886
>>377119993

No, the Japanese can't help but add an "o" sound on to tons of non-Japanese words.

Agate is named after the mineral because of his vibrant red hair and because he's tough like a rock.

It's the same thing with tons of JRPGs where idiotic literal translations fall through the cracks.

>>377108439

Thanks for reminding me TC is up.

>>377120312
I cannot stand playing Persona 3 because people keep saying "Aigis" when her name is obviously supposed to be aegis.

>>377120312

No moron, his name is spelled Agatto (アガット) in katakana. If it were really agate (the mineral), it would be spelled Ageito (アゲイト).

It's Sagat without an S.

>>377120328
Stop calling it TC.

>>377120312
Now I'm hoping someone actually says his name atleast once is CS3.

>>377119845

Walter is just a chump

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>five different pronunciation in the thread

Why is the Trails fandom so hostile?

>>377120606

Fuck off.

>>377120606
They have a lot of pent up anger from waiting for Crossbell

>>377120606
Sexual frustration.

>>377120606
A culture of shitposting inherited from /vg/.

>>377119065
>name a character after an english word
>don't pronounce it is english
It rhymes with faggot and you especially should be familiar with how that's pronounced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU_pqYkwsTI

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not you too, Dan

>>377120491
I'm sorry but you've been mispronouncing the mineral your whole life. Straight from wikipedia: /ˈæɡət/

>>377120643
>>377120691
These. We're mostly frustrated about not getting explicit Tio/Wazy sex scenes.

>>377120774
>Tio/Wazy sex scenes
Why the fuck would you want that?

>>377120773

Holy shit I'm still learning.

>>377120749

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWBrLDZvteU&t=19:55

check 19:55 in case it doesn't start there

>>377120773
That's exactly what he said

>>377120854
Why the fuck would you not want that?

>>377121064
>Łazy
>hetero relationship
Pick one and only one.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTtmcqPXwuw

What's your favorite opening so far lads?

>>377120936

No I got Agate's name right but didn't know the mineral is pronounced the same way (I thought it was ag8).

I never had cause to say it out loud nor have I ever heard anyone say it. Ever. Till now.

>>377120936
No it's not. Don't they teach the phonetic alphabet to you kids anymore?

>>377121171
Sky SC and Ao. Least favorite is probably CS1.

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>>377120328
>TC

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>>377120691
But I often visit my waifu in paradise

>>377121657
>Those dojins

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>>377121657

>>377121267
Japanese is a phonetic language. There's no arguing his pronunciation when you can read it in Japanese.

>>377121814
I don't think he's arguing that. He's just telling you you can't read the IPA.

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>>377121997

>>377120762
Dan is seemingly more reasonable, but is actually almost as crazy as Erika.

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>>377108439
I honestly, truly hope that this fucker cannot actually fight.

I want Vita back. I want Dubully back.

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>>377122113
I hope Vita kills herself, such an utterly pathetic villain.

>>377121771
Kek thought that was Loewe at first.

>>377122250
Rean pls, just because she took your husbando you shouldn't go edge

>>377122250
I liked her, she was like a saturday morning villain showing up to taunt Rean all the time.

"I'll get you next week! Schwarzer!"

>>377122250
She was a shit villain but super qt

>>377122250
Fuck you.

Vita is bae. She helps all the time. Rean is just too pussy to acknowledge that she is the best girl.

Emma is second of course.

>>377122471
Her objective was literally to get Rean and Crow fight at the top of the Infernal Castle. For what purpose? We don't know yet.

>>377122776
I think she's just a dirty fujoshi who was forcing them to act our her fanfic.
Doesn't matter since Osbourne outplayed her.

>>377122776
Probably to wake up the two original mechs that the knights were based on.

>>377122471
It was annoying how she didn't feel threatening at all. Honestly CS2 in general never felt like things were serious even though they were supposed to be. Except the Crossbell segment, that shit was tight as hell.

>>377116864
It's just a joke about how Cold Steel seemed to stuff popular otaku elements/tropes into the game for the sake of more sales - things like bonding events, harem, the chosen one (Rean). So the joke is that since isekai has been dominating the Japanese otaku world for the past couple years, Falcom might just stuff that into the next games too.

>>377122967
>It was annoying how she didn't feel threatening at all.

That's because she wasn't being threatening at all. She wasn't even trying to.

>>377123040
Isekai stories actually since last year are starting to get banned now especially in contest writings to find the next best author in Japan. Kadokawa just recently banned isekai in their upcoming contest and want a story about adults to be submitted to them.

>>377123040
Why is isekai so popular? Do otakus hate jisekai?

>>377123054
Makes sense too. If you're some stupid powerful plotting witch why would you go around threatening children?

>>377123326
One of the children has a weapon far more powerful than the military.

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Reposting this from /m/, is this Courageous?

Weissman was a villain because he had his own agenda that went beyond what was asked of him by ouroboros.

Vita is not really a villain because her only agenda was to accomplish her stated task, getting those two mechas to fight on top of the infernal castle. She never meant to harm anyone beyond what was needed to accomplish that.

It's like some of y'all don't realize that not every "bad guy" has to be a cartoon villain

>>377123208
That's just proof of the insane domination of isekai.

>>377122967
This is what a lot of my issues with Cold Steel boils down to. The atmosphere just never felt right for some reason. Some of the fault lies with silly plot choices, and some of the fault lies with trying to mix Persona into the game. Hoping Cold Steel 3 fixes a lot of that. But I do agree that Divertissement was awesome.

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>>377123628
>Vita is not really a villain because her only agenda was to accomplish her stated task, getting those two mechas to fight on top of the infernal castle.

Dumb shit.

>>377123658
I'm just saying that Isekai has started to dwindle because even editors know it's too much now.

>>377123954
OH WOW A BIRD THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT GRIANOS

WHAT'S YOUR POINT FAGGOT?

>>377123628
And that's one of CS2 major flaws. You never get the satisfaction of beating anyone of importance, the big bad didn't even fight against you and the final boss of the story was a bit role character throwing an apocalyptic tantrum because his ancestor got banished from his lineage for doing the same thing. There is no excitement of threat, no emotional satisfaction of defeating the enemies the game has built hype for.

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>>377124295
Triggered mentally ill Sen man.
How's it going brother.

>>377123954
"My task is to get those 2 mechas to fight on top of the infernal castle"

For what purpose?

>Aina forgives the person who looked down on her as trash and tried to kill her
Why are Liberlians so nice? The only assholes I can think of are Mayor Dalmore and Gilbert and they just take it straight to mustache twirling tier

>>377119845
Walter can't even beat Zin

>>377120601
Aygahtay

So is it skyfags who are autistic retards that can't play nice with others, or is it just nipfags specifically who are that way? I'm starting to think the root of the autism is the japanese, not the sky games.

>>377118810
Exactly, you pronounce Bose like the bose in Ribose :^)

>>377124183
That's more due to publishers worried about oversaturation than dwindling interest. The fact that they're forced to do this means that the existing audiences for it is just that large and doesn't show signs of letting up.

>>377123054
She wasn't trying to be threatening. She was just trying to antagonize Rean enough that he'd eventually fight with Crow at the infernal castle to reenact some scene. Not only that, but the most evil thing we have seen her do is kidnap people, but she seems to have a moral conscience unlike a lot of the other antagonists, like Osborne or Weissman.

>>377124585
Gilbert was so nice in Kloe's door. Was it the mayor's fault he turned out evil?

>>377124591
If you can't handle critique, 4chan is not the place for you.

>>377124591
>some guy just voices his opinion that he thinks the objective of getting 2 robots fighting on top of a castle is dumb
>start attacking him mercilessly and avoid his point
>calls him autistic

Surely, you see the irony in your post and the situation.

>>377124548
Because it looks cool as shit.

This was probably the zemurian equivalent of BattleBots. The Grandmaster needs to get a Netflix subscription

>>377124825
>>377124803
""critique" is not the same as autistically screeching all over every single Trails thread about how horrible you think cold steel is

"""critique"""" is not shitposting like a retard anytime anyone dares contradict your shitty opinion about a video game.

The behavior I see in these threads from cold steel haters, nipfag ones specifically, is far beyond """critique"""" and falls right into the autism category.

People who look suspiciously similar:

Masked Man and Kevin
Vita and Misty
Bleublanc and Phantom Thief B
Schwarzritter and Loewe

>>377124591
It requires immense autism to learn Japanese in the first place, so it can't be helped.

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>>377123586

I tried to zoom and enhance but all I got was a blurry picture. It might not be anything at all.

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>>377124950
What the fuck man I just called something I thought dumb, dumb. Just disagree or ignore like a normal human being, what the hell are you sperging over.

>>377124950
I don't need to explain why something is shit, it's obvious how shit it is.

>>377124591
Who's the autistic retard that can't play nice here? The people actually discussing the games, or the person throwing a shitfit and insulting people left and right without parttaking in the conversation?

>>377125057
Looks like a gun, didn't Towa say hers was a new model from Liberl?

>>377124950
This thread is full of people explaining what they didn't like about CS.

>>377125003
but Loewe died on tanke- Liber ark half a year ago

>>377124950
You are honestly the most autistic person ITT, sperging out like that.

>>377125289
That was lorence.

>>377124950
>this amount of autism
Cold steel fags really are something else, huh?

>>377125215
It could just be one of the parts for the Orbal Gear and he doesn't recognize it because he's never seen a Tita design before. Not everything is foreshadowing.

Honestly if Falcom makes McBurn a timetraveling or alternate dimension Rean I am killing every single one of you for allowing it to happen.

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>>377124950
Persona was a mistake.

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>>377125457
What if I pulled off his mask?

>>377124897
>Sir George, wouldn't you prefer something more meaningful and strong like in The New Hope as opposed to having Anakin and Obi wan fighting for almost an hour in these ridiculously impossible scenarios?
>No.
>Why?
>Because it looks cool as shit nigga


>Sir Kondo, wouldn't you prefer something more meaningful and mysterious as using previously foreshadowed locations as opposed to making a castle out of fucking nowhere and have two giant robots fighting in it for no apparent reason?
>No.
>Why?
>Because it looks as shit nigga

>>377124950
This is that certain obsessive Reanfag, isn't it?

>>377124950
Oh you're that one retard who types like """""this""""" in all the threads. Don't you have something better to do than shitposting in every thread?

>>377120186
Time is black and Joshua wss edgy

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>>377125832
These trails/star wars comparisons are going too far.

I'm liking it

>>377111253
Estelle can fill an auxillary front liner with support spells or an auxillary caster role. She's better at the former if for no other reason than whirlwind can help finish off lots of weakened monsters and hard break is pretty good at impeding, but casting is better than a mediocre damage dealer in most cases. Her S-crafts are never particularly good but they're still S crafts so it doesn't matter.

Estelle is a good candidate for things like food turns, itemancy, buffing/earth walling and cancelling enemies. She also has a decent def so interposing her between your team and the other one isn't a bad strategy. Morale is almost necessary for certain fights.

>>377125667
That would be the coolest shit.

>>377125874
I type like """"that"""" too, so it's not just him.

>>377125832
They had a second game tradition to uphold with mysterious end game locations magically appearing, like Liber Ark and the Azure Tree.

Rean time/fire because of Valimar and McBurn being his future self

>>377126024
The comparisons exist almost always to put all the blame on Kondo, regardless of whoever else directed (Kusano's done CS so far) and wrote the game (Takeiri's underlings for sure). Let's just ignore development/series context too, not that you shouldn't criticize these things.

>>377126264
Let's not go there lad. Shifting the blame around wouldn't change the end result.

>>377108718
>tfw in the final fight against weissman, Estelle got dropped out of existence
I wad kinda sad she wasn't there to be a part of it

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>have to fight Kevin's ghost mom
>"that one hurt"

The older games make me retroactively hate the CS crew for just being whiny cunts.

>>377126264
It's like Nomura with FF.

I know this is only loosely related to the thread but
>Coldsteel the Hedgehog is actually getting his own game

What a timeline we live in

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why Cassius so weak?

>>377126378
Well, it's a good thing Ys VIII didn't adopt all of these problems for its story/progression. I've got a bit more faith in Falcom's new writers now.

>>377126130
Well yeah but they also had traditions of using previously foreshadowed spots/locations to do the keikaku. So in Sen they kinda had to figure out a way of squeezing all those things together. Location magically appearing + keikaku

Which is why it feels so weird or dumb.

>>377126521
But Angel Weissman got destroyed. Is Arios actually as strong as Loewe?

>>377125667
>time travel in Kiseki
God what a shit show that would be

>>377126521
Big autistic kiseki powerlevel post

Near omnipotent: Azure Demiourgos
SSSS: Arianrhod, Ein Selnate, McBurn ,Georg Weissmann (Aureole)
SSS: Cassius Bright (with sword), Baldur Orlando, Rutger Claussell
SS: Leonhardt, Arios MacLaine, Sigmund Orlando, Victor S. Arseid
S: Cassius Bright (stick)
A+: Kevin Graham, Rufina Argent, Mariabell Crois
A: Walter, Kilika Rouran, Shirley Orlando, Rixia Mao, Zin Vathek, Bleublanc, Luciola, Renne Hayworth, Wazy Hemisphere, Duvalie, Xeno, Leonidas, Sharon Kreuger, Rufus Albarea
A-: Garcia Rossi, Kurt Nardin, Alex Dudley, Maximillian Cid, Phillipp Reinard, Mueller Vander, General Morgan, Joshua Bright, Randy Orlando, Alan Richard, Rean Schwarzer (ogre), Crow Armbrust, Neithardt, Vulcan, Sara Valestein, Claire Rieveldt
B+: Agate Crosner, Scherazard Harvey, Julia Schwarz, Ries Argent, Scarlet, Toval Randonneur, Olivert Reise Arnor
B: Estelle Bright, Anelace Elfead, Carna, Grant, Noel Seeker, Mireille, Lloyd Bannings, Laura S. Arseid, Fie Claussell, Rean Schwarzer, Angelica Rogner
B-: Klaudia von Auslese, Gaius Worzel, Jusis Albarea, Emma Millstein, Patrick T. Hyarms, Kanone Amalthea
C: Elie MacDowell, Tio Plato, Alisa Reinford, Machias Regnitz, Elliot Craig, Towa Herschel
C-: Josette Capua, Elise Schwarzer, Tita Russell, Alfin Reise Arnor, Gilbert

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>>377126697
Hey, wouldn't be the first time they went there.

>>377126701
>Tita went toe to toe with Agate with prototype Orbal gear
>still C-

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>>377126521
He doesn't have magic mumbo jumbo like the rest. He's not considered a threat for his raw power but his overwhelming perception and problem solving abilities.

>>377126882
I bought all five EVO games, and I'm pretty excited to play the Crossbell games, harem master Lloyd aside.

>>377126521
>tfw your half naked jailbait slutty cousin is stronger than you

>>377126701
Remove Tita from there already, in what fucking universe is Tita still on par with the likes of Josette?

>>377112564
Calm down, Juna, there is no Shinju-sama in this world.

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>>377126467
It's what he deserves for abandoning the greatest imouto ever witnessed on Zemuria.

>>377127112
Lloyd is decently likable despite the harem shit being kinda grating.

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>>377127112
I hope you enjoy them lad.
>hare master Lloyd
It's not as bad as you'd imagine. They handled it much more smoothly than the impression you were likely given. My opinion, though.

>>377126521
>Cassius fight
>opens with an attack that hits everyone for about 6000 damage
>and it's not even his S-Craft
Jesus fucking Christ
I actually had to change Kevin's S-Break back to Grail Sphere so I didn't get fucking slaughtered in the first 3 turns
And will we ever get a game where we get to play as Cassius, or is he just forever dangling out of our reach?

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>>377127320

>>377127112
did you learn moon for them anon?

>>377127347
>>377127350
That's good to hear. I'm mostly in it for that Randy though, he seems rad.

>>377127446
No, but I did learn Japanese awhile ago. Just never got around to playing these games.

>>377126521
His greatest asset is his mind, not his strength. Others mention his ability to "understand the true nature of all things". He is basically a 20-dimensional chessmaster.

>>377127350
Lloyd is rescued by Randy and Wazy being such strong, prominent male characters imo. Lessens the self-insert feel.

>>377127694
understanding the true nature of all things is a DIVINE BLADE thing, not a CASSIUS thing. Pay attention FFS

>>377127320
>>377127415
Do she and Kevin stay platonic siblings, or do they get start fucking like every other sibling pair?

>>377127702
>Wazy
>male
fujo go

>>377127836
>Łazy
>not constantly engaged in anal penetration with Lloyd
Pick one and only one.

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>>377127821
They aren't blood siblings, they just grew up in an orphanage together.
Also they have both promised their body and soul to the church so there will be no fucking.

>>377110323
right after casca gets healed

>>377127787
Cassius was the only Divine Blade before Crossbell introduced that it was a generic title instead of one unique to Cassius. It's understandable that people who have only played Sky would assume that.

>>377127675
Randy is up there with Olivier and Kevin as the greatest dudes of the franchise.

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>>377128096
>Implying

Their section of the church is way more lenient from the looks of it, Ein just seems like the type to go around doing whatever she wants once a mission is done, smoking, drinking and such, plus they show up in AO it kinda reinforces the fact on how much they care for each other.

If it happened it wouldn't surprise me.

>>377112887
what the fuck i just missed that, good thing i still need to beat him with tita/agate and richard

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>>377128341
>Their section of the church is way more lenient from the looks of it
?

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>>377127041
Who can even hate the guy?

>>377128096
>They aren't blood siblings
Estelle and Joshua weren't, and they started fucking.

Agate considers Tita a surrogate sister, but she wants to ride his heavy blade.

Elise also wants Rean's ogre.

>>377128458
Then what about Ein? Plus i mean it in terms of relationships and such.

>>377126685
yes

>>377128512
It was something else to even think for a second that the fucking Capuas would ever prove a threat to Cassius during the start of FC.

>>377128539
Is she banging anyone?

Kevin has that lady who wants to jump on his dick at the party but he tells her then he can't because the Goddess would be embarrassed while watching.

>>377128458
Kevin literally wanted to bone some lady in the intro.

Coldsteelfags are no longer allowed in these threads, sorry guys.
You had a nice run but it's time you left

>>377128681
No, she was after him.

>>377128687
K bye

>>377128765
And then after the mission he said that he didn't do it because he had no time.

>>377128765
Yeah, and he was bummed he didn't get to nail her because he was too busy with his job. Even said she was 'looking fine'.

>>377128932
>>377128957
Kevin says a lot of things he doesn't mean.
You have to judge him by his actions instead.

>>377128672
Probably Toval when she had time to spare.

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This reunion in Crossbell is gonna be tight.

Xeo, Leo and Garcia are gonna back up Fie against Shirley with Sigmund, Gareth and Drakken.

>>377129002
He said that to himself. Who was he fooling?

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>>377129002
>you have to judge him by his actions instead

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>>377128243
>Berserk will NEVER EVER be finished

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>>377127821
As far as I can tell neither of them is at all interested in that. Compare that to Estelle and Joshua where it was blatantly obvious to everybody from the start of the game that Joshua was crushing hard and being too much of a wuss to come clean.

Sure, Ries took one of Estelle's crash courses on curing edgelords, but that doesn't mean she magically absorbed any of Estelle's other bad habits.

>>377129002
>mfw kevinfags are literally trump surrogates

>>377129132
Have you finished the game?
It's entirely about Kevin lying to himself.

>>377129132
>He said that to himself. Who was he fooling?

The point of what happens in the later part of 3rd is that he fooled himself over a lot of things you know.

>>377126701
Isn't this list from some Kiseki wiki? If I recall correctly, it was made by some hardcore Falcom fan. I don't really agree with a couple of the A or A- rankings, but the rest looks pretty reasonable. Plus I'm pretty sure the guy who made this list also runs the wiki and posts on like every possible Falcom forum, so this is just what's going to get posted all the time no matter what.

>>377129126
Why's Shirley such a goddamn psychopath?

>>377129373
She was raised by Sigmund.

>>377129353
It's basically just a TL of the tier lists made by the nip fans after thousands of powerlevel arguments.

>>377129373
>Why's Shirley such a goddamn psychopath?

Because red versus blue.

Randy's dad wanted him to be the murderiest jaeger ever. Fie's dad wanted her to leave the corps and become something better.

Shirley herself looooves the jaeger lifestyle. Fie only ever cared about the people in that lifestyle, not for being a jaeger at all.

It's all red versus blue.

>>377129126
Zephyr is gonna lose that one so bad it's gonna overwrite Weissman's status as the biggest BTFOment in Zemurian history.

>>377129750
>the biggest BTFOment in Zemurian history.
I don't know if Weissman really holds that title after what happened to class vii, especially Crow.

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>>377129849
>>377129750
Crow definitely.
He literally died for nothing. Even having a cool as fuck mech with a butler voice won't be enough.

Not even getting a nursing handjob from Vita will save is BTFO levels