Who was in the wrong here?

>>377108125
>New Vegas
You, for playing that garbage.

>>377108125
NCR obviously. Death to the brahmin barons.

>Legion
CULT OF PERSONALITY

>>377108125
Both. House is the only correct option, my friend.

>>377108287
>having no faith in yourself.
Man's greatest weakness is having the ability to kneel.
t. Sir Reginald Edgelord III

NCR brought civilization back to the wasteland. Fallout 1&2 make it pretty clear that they're the best chance for things to go back to normal.

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>>377108648
NCR are a bunch of faggots

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>>377108167
IKR????? OP could just post a far better game such as fallout 4™.

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>>377108167
the fuck did you just say, pardner?

>>377109142
as much as i like this meme, fallout 4 is - gameplay-wise - the best in the series.

>>377108125
yes

>>377108648
NCR is the best chance for repeating the mistakes the old world made

>>377109259
>t. caesar cuck

>>377109220
Which amounts to nothing, as gameplay is a buzzword when it comes to RPGs.

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>>377109220
Better fps gameplay wise, yes. Better rpg wise? no.

>>377108125
>One crucifies and enslave people getting 10 steps backwards in evolution of society
>The other one tries to build up the world as it was before the war keeping justice and progress as the primary goal

Wow so hard to choose.

>>377109358
>>377109334

FPS

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They were all wrong, but it's not canon so it doesn't even matter. Know Anon, you should delete this thread and go play a better game.

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>>377108125
All of them except House
>NCR is an incompetent oligarchy whose incompetence is driving their only actual good units the rangers further and further away towards secession
>Legion is a rabid pack of nomadic savages who don't even have an established capital city, just teepee tribal shitholes
>Brotherhood of faggots are toaster fucking isolationists that are no different than raiders who rob wastelanders if they even smell a Micrfusion cell on their persons
The only logical choice is House. The last surviving and smart corporate tycoon who ran the the giant and most humanitarian company Robco.

>>377109686
Of course slaves don't only obey, they twist reality to convince themselves that they are free.
Trust the man who has failed again and again, who lacks the ability to draw people too him and who cannot trust the people he has relied upon to run his small strip in the desert. You are no better then a legion slave fighting for a dying man.

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all i know is the legion was right

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>>377111195
wow the edge.

>>377111306
prove him wrong

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>>377111395
Within the context of the game universe males and females have the exact same stats and are not stronger or weaker then each other.

>>377111035
>muh shitty bioshock reference
NYAH, SEE both can play that game.
Killing house with the golf club is the slave action, like in shitshock where Ryan literally uses your enslavement phase to kill him

both suck
house also sucks
yes man sucks as well but sucks the least
there's no super awesome ending for fonv

that's why i like it

>>377111985
>>377111395
Dateless virgin BTFO

>>377112203
>My understanding of everything comes from Video games.
Literally fucking Shakespeare.
But then Bioshock was a fun game.
Only a faggot would do something in a video game to get an (((achievement))).

>>377111035
Houses employee's were untrustworthy sacks of shit, he built them up from literal tribals. He needed a civilized and dedicated employee who knew how to kill. Courier was just that.

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>>377109220
>gameplay means action-combat

>>377109163
where were you when I was fucking attacked by deathclaws?

>>377112526
The Courier is less of a character and more of a paradigm shift. It was never something that could be predicted and House would have found himself fucked without it, granted none of the other factions have a big upper hand but House had played his last hand and got shafted, he lost before the Courier arrived.

>>377111985
within the context of the game universe, some random mailman has the ability to stop time. have you ever heard of artistic liberty?

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>>377112980
Is that within the context of the games universe or is it a function of the game?

>>377108125
Both. Both of their solutions on how to rebuild civilization was to just copy older ones, both of which fell for a reason. Even though I don't really like House, at least he wasn't just repeating what didn't work.

>>377113339
how was house not repeating what didn't work?

>>377108125
NCR: USA "democracy"
Caesar: Fascism
House: Ancap

Who is wrong for you?

>>377113672
How was he? He was creating an independent and safe tourist city state that was a shining pre-war jewl in the Mojave Desert. And he planned to stick the NCR government by charging them 5 caps per water and electricity sent at Hoover Dam.

>>377109334
Kill yourself

>>377113851
House wasn't Ancap. That's dogshit independant. House was tamed capitalism.

>>377113903
>independent and safe tourist city state
sounds like all the small tiny countries around the pacific.
his governance would fall apart in a huge territory.

NCR should have stopped expanding and been satisfied with leaving Vegas as a trading partner and buffer state

The Legion was unsustainable and shouldn't have attacked a power as strong or stronger than them.

House should have had the chip finished a day earlier.

>>377114046
Not when you have an army of seemingly indestructable killbots with weaponry that can destroy a small platoon of 100 men.

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>>377114156
>a small platoon of a hundred men

>>377114139
vegas is the only place with a goverment in mojave. The rest of the area is just small community easily fucked by criminals and legions.

>>377108125
NCR is built on the mistakes of the past.

The Legion is the way to go. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

dog hat

>>377114887
But whwn thw top egg keels over from brain cancer the whole omlet is gonna fall apart and burn.

>>377113184
it's within the context of the game's universe because there are several perks that directly mention V.A.T.S. by name.

>>377114887
#onlyamericanpastmatters

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>>377108125

California is always in the wrong.

>>377114853
Goodsprings and Primm were being fucked around with by Powder Gangers, who wouldn't have been there were it not for the NCR. The communities were doing fine and it wouldn't have taken much effort to make the jump to a unified territory.

>>377111985
>NPC SPECIAL stats
>canon

>>377114027
>House
>not ancap
>refers to himself as the "CEO" of The Strip

>>377114958
and why would Lanius not be a good leader? He has even more authority, and stat wise is more fit to be a leader than Caesar.

Not to mention Rome did have a triumvirate. It's easy to see how the Legion could copy that, as well, and despite Caesars death have very capable leadership. Certainly more so than the NCR

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>>377114887
>MAKING THE MOTHER OF ALL OMELETS HERE

>>377115445
worth noting that Lanius already is an established, capable leader. He had conquered 19 other tribes by the time New Vegas started.

>>377115604
He is a conqueror, not an effective leader. At some point you have to stop making war and Lanius can't do that.

>>377115785
That may be true, but who is to say he won't take the advice of men more capable than him in regards to leadership during times of peace? Just like, you know, Rome did.

It's not like there's a shortage of capable persons in the Legion. Vulpes Inculta being a great example.

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>let's put the future of the Mojave in the hands of uncivilized, borderline-psychopathic rapists, slaverers and murderers who justify their behaviour by an interpretation of hegelian dialectic that they don't even fully understand themselves because I read on /pol/ once that fascism is cool

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>>377114887
>NCR is built on past failures
>chooses Legion thinking it's any different
We played the same game, right?

>>377115785
This. All Lanius has going for it is retard strenght. Also Caesar has a flawed idea of what the roman empire actually was. Besides all that, the Legion is totally reliant on him. As soon as he dies everything will call apart.

House on the contrary is a lot more focused, and aims to build a state city living as a bastion. A lot easier to sustain.

>>377115913
>rome
>not a mistake
wew lad
e
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>>377116241
>implying the Roman Empire was a failure

sure ok

>>377108125
There is no 'who's more right' in fallout, there is only 'who's less wrong'.

Legion will die eventually when no enemy is left for them to conquer.
NCR uses old ways because that fucking work great last time.
House is a paranoid inhumane oldfag with pre-war memes stuck in his head.
And player is just a fucking courier. You expect someone who made a living out of deliviring doomsday devices to various (once) places to be a good ruler?

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>>377116320
>rome
>a mistake
wew lad
e
w

>>377116354
>looks around
Gee I sure don't see a lot of fucking Roman culture around, do I? If you think the Legion is a viable solution given their current state in NV then you need to replay it and pay closer attention.

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>>377116215
>implying a fascist roman mad max gang isn't the coolest shit and the second best hope for long-term stability in the mojave

>>377115913
Lanius doesn't have that mindset. Caesar basically refers to him as a loyal brute and little else, with Lanius only acting on what he thinks Caesar wanted instead of knowing what he was doing if Caesar dies.

He also has a clear disdain for people like Vulpes, of whom it's pretty obvious he thinks as a worm.

The successor Caesar really needs is either the Courier, or Graham. However, he burned his bridges with Graham, as well as everything else on Graham.

>>377116284
Caesar didn't care about "what the roman empire" was about. He was just using that as to throw his enemies/recruits off balance and introduce new orders.

>>377116501
you're pretty fucking dense then, most of our legal system is based on what the Romans pioneered, and European culture is mostly based on what the Romans/Greeks established

>>377116539
>"stability" at all costs, including killing off and enslaving like half the population even though they were perfectly fine before, is somehow something to strive for

>>377116501
There's a fuckton of roman culture around us, the fuck you're talking about.

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>>377116545
>as well as everything else on Graham
10/10

>>377116714
Yes it is.

>>377112980
Pretty sure that's just a representation of the VATS computer calculating your shots for you. If bethesda/obsidian weren't lazy fucks you'd be plugging your gun into your pip boy or at least wear an AR HUD linked to your pipboy

>>377116501
>Gee I sure don't see a lot of fucking Roman culture around, do I?

I think the Legion is a bunch of crazy retards but you're really fucking wrong there.

>>377116714
>a land ravaged by savages
>perfectly fine

>>377116658
Of course he fucking cares, why would be force this gigantic cosplay game otherwise? What he doesn't get is that Rome didn't conquer the world just by being autistic. Anyway it doesn't matter. If the Legion wins, infernale conflict Will devour itself, like the original Rome. Assuming Lanius won't immediately kill Vulpes, as soon as Caesar dies they'll split the Legion because both of them will want his throne.

>>377116935
>sequel to New Vegas 100 years in the future where legion won and is now falling apart
>charlagmaine and byzantine empire
>Khan's show up as mongol horde to pillage and burn down everything
It'd be pretty cool

>>377117153
But anon, the Kahns are already allied to the Legion.

>>377116424
desu the roman republic even if it was only as a unnoticed city-state lasted aproximately 500 years the empire if we only consider the western empire didn't lasted longer so between a corrupted oligarchic city-state and a big empire if you're primary concern is the non-collapse of your civilization both are worth each other.
>tfw in fact the ncr and the empire are just the two faces of the same coin

Reminder that supporting the Legion is the same as supporting ISIS.

things that ISIS do that the Legion also did
>child suicide bombers
>slavery
>public display of torture and cruelty of their enemies

Things that ISIS to that the Legion should adapt:
>throwing gays off buildings

>>377117450
The romans bumped each other ass, so not a fat chance for that to happen.

>>377117450
>Things that ISIS to that the Legion should adapt:
>>throwing gays off buildings
if you have the trait that make you crypto-gay, I forgot is name, but it unlocked flirt options when talking to dudes, when you try to seduce a NCR officer he turn you down and tell you that the legion is more open to this kind of stuff so in NV the barbaric retarded tribes are more okay with buttstuffs than the so-called civilization.
>checkm8 you problematic, homophobic NCR lover

>>377108167
Fpbp

From what I remember from The Lonesome Road, both were garbage, even for Ulysses who was part of the Legion he hated what it meant, what it was

He believed that both NCR and Legion shouldn't exist because the waste doesn't need the Old World ways and that society is going to build itself a new like what was happening in The Divide before the courier came.

So in truth, maybe The House was the best choice

>>377117309
No, they all magically ended up as rotten corpses with holes in their heads :^)