OFFICIAL INDISPUTABLE DARK SOULS POWER RANKINGS

>>377105127
Good games > Souls games

>>377105127
wrong
BB>DaS>DaS 2>DaS 3>DeS
inb4 butt hurt nostalgia babbies

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>Dark Souls 2 not last

BB > DS > DS3 = DeS > DS2

>>377105127
I can dispute this. The first dark souls is better than bloodborne. Only biased Sony faggots say otherwise.

Knights will always be better than Victorian shits

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BB > DeS > DaS >>>> DaS 3 >>>>>>>> DaS 2

check this 3

>>377105127
Bloodborne isn't souls game.

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>Des
>not dead last

>>377105416
yes it is

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DaS2 > DaS3 > DaS1 = DeS > BB

>>377105530
There's no souls in its game.

DAS2 has some stuff in it I like such as your number of magic casts scaling with attunement, which creates a much deeper magic system, roll distance being directly % based instead of tiered, being able to infuse elemental and boss weapons, and bonfire ascetics to allow for farming/repeat boss fights
problem is the rest of the game is garbage, the first couple of levels like FOFG and No Man's Wharf are okay but the level design goes down the gutter after that will every area being a straight line with a million bonfires on the way. The bosses nearly all suck aside from Pursuer and some of the DLC ones (Ivory King was fucking awesome) and none of the regular enemies are ever that much fun to fight. Soul memory and world noncohesiveness are well talked about subjects but I think they're still perfectly valid complaints, especially the latter. What made dark souls 1 so fucking satisfying on the first playthrough was going through undead burg and the parish, coming back down into firelink, descending into blightown and then crawling your way back up. Seeing the Firelink was so comforting like you'd make it home, then the game kicked you in the balls and revealed the fire was out because of Lautrec.
Dark Souls 2 never achieves a feeling like that. Returning to Majula doesn't feel like I've made some amazing journey, which isn't helped by a lot of level design preventing a return journey on foot.
Dark Sols 2 also never lets you go "the wrong way" so to speak. The game is balanced around the ability to go anywhere and warp back at the start of the game, so the first few areas and bosses - Last Giant, Dragonrider, Skeleton Lords, Rotten - are laughably shit. In Dark Souls 1 you could easily go into catacombs or londo off the start of the game and learn quickly you didn't find the right path, so it made coming back later in the game with better weapons and skill feel so rewarding, like you'd cleared a giant hurdle (and opened up challenge runs for new playthroughs).

>>377106181
Overall it's impressive they managed to srape together a perfectly functional game that people enjoy overall, DAS2 isn't a bad game as it works and isn't broken as hell. It just doesn't provide the same sense of satisfaction and intrigue the other games do, except for DeS (Which was way more "videogamey" in it's level design but was more rewarding in other ways) and DAS3 (Which had piss poor exploration)

2 is the worst one unless you are a pvp fag.
You can't deny this.

>>377105127
Why do people keep making these thread with the same endless debate/shitstorm?

Hopefully none of you spend a lot of times in these threads,posting the same arguments and so on.

>>377106342
Even pvp feels pretty shitty to play 2bh. The phantom range is so consistently bad for some reason. At least in the other games the enemy spear thrust at least tries to follow your character around(on a decent connection that is)

Wonder why it is like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33KsAgbks8o

>>377105127
No, the real dark souls power ranking is as follows

Bloodborne>=Dark Souls 3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DeS=DaS=Sotfs>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DaS2

The ultimate power ranking is this

Ringed City>=Old Hunters>Bloodborne>=DaS3>Lost Crowns>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DeS=DaS=Sotfs=AotA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DaS2

Dark Souls 3 is literally what they wanted Dark Souls to be from the beginning, but it took them 3 games to achieve it. And if Tanimura wasn't in charge of the PvP in DaS3, both the SP and MP would have been shit, and they're the best by far.

Dark Souls > Bloodborne > Dark Souls 2 > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 3

How do I pyro?

DS1 > DS3 = BB >DeS

That is all.

>>377106640
I love how people keep posting this video of some guy on burger king wi-fi as some sort of proof that DaS2 had phantom range problems despite the fact that entire categories of weapons in DaS3 having real phantom range to make them not unusable.

>>377106960
Literally go all out on only pyromancy and you will shit on everyone also rings help a lot if you could somehow get multiple rings that boost fire damage you'd be a god along with that fire sword you get from killing the demons in the DLC you'd shit on people don't even bother with normal weapons or anything like it just use pyromancy

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>>377105305
>le DS2 is bad meme
This has been proven wrong time and again.

>>377107176
So like, dump everything into Faith and Int?

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>>377106832
>DS3 MP
>good

>>377107289
bizarro /v/ threads are not serious though

>>377107083

You also have this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36CTT_O38LQ

I based my post on my own experience. I just used the video for reference. It's very consistent in dark souls 2(in a bad way)

I just wonder how it become like this. Souls games don't have amazing netcode, but dark souls 2 somehow managed to be worse than dark souls 1 in the netcode compartment(except for server-connecting to other players). Dark souls 3 managed to take the best for both worlds mostly.


>>377107289
Last doesn't mean bad 2bh. It just means worst, which is fine.

BB > DS1 > DS3 > DeS/DS2

everything else is just memes

>>377107341
Yeah and vitality your vitality raises your defense the most and dumping it in faith/int would raise your attack so you'd be able to take some serious damage without dying right away you'd need the fire clutch ring and the witch ring and a couple of other rings and you'd be set but you'd have to get quite a lot of pyromancy spells to make the build viable it wouldn't be easy starting off but you'd shit on people in pvp

>>377107617
Nice, thanks man

>>377107613
DS1>DS3>BB>DeS>a bag of baby dicks>DS2

>>377107370
No matter how much you memeloving fucks try to shitpost it, there are facts: every build works and isn't OPshit, thanks to weapon arts and Tanimura literally 8/10 of all weapons are viable, fun and extremely satisfying to use, it has the best net code, hitboxes are way better, hyperarmor>poise, and some movesets are pure porn.
>b-but magic sucks!!1!!
No it doesn't, it's just not ez mode OP like before. Proper magic or miracle or faith build obliterates everything.
>b-but my memeshit havel builds!!!
It's better this way, hyperarmor works better and makes more sense, both for PvE and PvP

>>377106832
Ashes and Ringed City are shit DLC.

Ashes is a short as shit and tries to badly hit all the Painted World of Ariamis beats with 1 real boss fight that's padded out into a shit boss.
Ringed city has 1 1/2 interesting boss fights (lmao2demons just goes to shit in the second phase and Gael is only alright). The actual level design in Ringed City is hot shit too and the enemy placement is worse than the worst of DaS2.

>>377107557
the only worlds DaS3 takes are the worst pve and worst pvp ones

Hold my beer
DaS1 = DaS2 = DaS 3 = BB = DeS
yall faggots hate the games except for your favourite which is medicore in your mind because muh popular games.

>>377107745
No prob and if you get that fire sword that you can make using that boss soul your buffs that boost your fire damage would also boost that sword but what's even cooler is that sword also acts as a pyromancy glove which means you could use something in your offhand to parry or you could be a crazy nigger and use a talisman or chime to do faith spells in fact you could do all that and have that item which parries in your offhand and the talisman and still use faith spells while you use the pyromancy spells and blast peoples buttholes away

>>377107907
> the worst pve and worst pvp ones

I don't agree, but it comes down to different tastes for different people I guess.

>>377107957
DaS3 is the best game

>>377105127
BB>DaS>DeS>DaS2(SOTFS)

Haven't played 3 yet.

Only DeS is great.
3 is best dark

Soulsfags talk about their personal ranking of the games more often than they fucking play them it seems like. Can we ban these awful threads? They're just as repetitive as the series.

your first souls game > the rest

I don't see how it could be any other way, they offer a pretty novel approach to combat and storytelling at first but EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. is the exact same shit but everything looks sort of different. I have the plats for all of them including doing DS2 a second time for SotFS, DS1 is the first one I played and it's the only one I actually give a shit about and remember fondly and the rest of the series including BB has like a quarter as much time put into it and is regarded as such.

>>377108284
DeS is fucking dogshit compared to BB and DS3

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>>377105127
>OFFICIAL SHITEATER SCRUB DARK SOULS POWER RANKINGS
fixed

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/v/ is 15 y.o. and has no taste.
DS3>BB>DS1>DES>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DS2

>>377107871
You can't be serious.

The only problem with Ashes is that it's indeed too short, and has only one boss fight. But Friede is the third best boss fight From has ever made, the level design is god tier, art design is god tier, new weapons are fucking god tier, lore is god tier. It's brilliant, just too short.

But Ringed City?
The level design is easily among the best in the soulsborne series, new weapons are glorious, enemy encounters are just perfect (explain to me the complaint about placement please), lmao2demons is not god tier but high tier in both phases, Midir is the best dragon fight we've had so far, lore is great, and the ending is literally the most perfect ending you could ask for this series.
>Gael is only alright
>Gael
>only alright
Even diehard /v/ DaS3 haters agree that Gael is easily the best boss From has ever made, or maybe second after Orphan. It's literally flawless in every aspect, combat itself, arena, music, cutscenes, lore. It's a masterpiece of good design in its purest form.
>tfw he starts shooting his crossbow at you while doing a slowmo airflip with lightning strikes in the distance

real talk can we discuss how fucking shit the Dark Souls 3 DLC was

>>377105330
This is correct

>>377108534
The Ashes dlc was a complete joke for that kind of money. Still feel fucking robbed

>>377108534
>implying
you might just have shit taste you do have shit tase!

>>377108337
>your first souls game > the rest
My first soulsgame was DaS and I fucking hate it. I finished all the others between 7 and 17 times each, but had to force myself to finish DaS once and dropped at the second bell the second time.

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>>377108551
>>377108284
>>377108056
>>377107957
>>377107810
>>377107613
>>377107041
>>377106927
n.cucks. Consider suicide.

>>377108534
Yes we can, because they are not shit, you can see my post just above yours.
Ringed City is equal to Old Hunters, and Ashes would be the second best if only it wasn't so short. But Friede is enough to make it better than AotA.

Why does everyone shit on DaS3?

I just played it and I thought it was pretty good. A lot more enjoyable than 2 to me actually.

>>377108534
ashes is just fucking garbage in every way
the ringed city is almost as bad but the gael fight saves it

>>377107841
>No matter how much you memeloving fucks try to shitpost it, there are facts: every build works

Whips

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>>377105127
The Surge > Dark Souls > Demon Souls > Dark Souls 3 > BloodBorne > Dark Souls 2

>>377108443
Flip that shit around and you right

>>377105127
You are factually wrong. Or baiting,

Bloodborne > DaS > DaS3 > DeS >>>>>>> DaS2

>>377108506
The problem with Gael is his shitty animations are so poorly done, they're actually comical. I'm not sure what's going on with his model and animations, but they're pretty goddamn bad.

>>377105565
no ps4 huh?

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>>377108506
>Gael is easily the best boss From has ever made
>literally flawless in every aspect, combat itself, arena, music, cutscenes, lore
Mechanically Gael is everything wrong with DS3: Spam roll and he's triviliased, you don't even need to time the rolls just mash em till he dies
Lore wise Gael is a fucking joke and you faggots think it's so deep and profound "omg two literal whos at the end of time"
Firstly he had no presence throughout the DLCs and we as the player are never given a reason to even slightly care about him. Secondly, his 'plan' didn't even make any sense. Wait for the Ringed City to be exposed so he could swoose in and take the dark soul? Why didn't he just enter TRC the normal way since he's clearly in the dreg heap. And his surprise at us turning up at the ash field (which takes place BEFORE the game begins, adding to the nonsensical status of his story) means that he didn't expect us to turn up, which means he didn't want us to turn up and kill him to return the blood to the painter, which means the ENTIRE TIME he had no way home or plan on what to do. This reduces his entire plan to being a mad old man and he exists only to title drop the series
Oh, and collecting "the whole dark soul" is fucking nonsense since the point of the dark soul is that it's the only self propagating lord soul and each fragment is as strong as the others, which would make collecting the entire dark soul - fucking pointless

>>377108971
Oh, and the whole "man possessed by the dark soul" and "feral man returns to his senses when he rediscovers his purpose" is straight from Artorias and Ludwig the Holy Blade. So in addition to being a nonsensical looney nobody, he's not even original in the slightest.

>BB=DS1.....

ds1 doesnt have as many items or areas as ds2, but its more fun to play aside from the obvious one or two exceptions. its also more explorable than 2, and way more explorable than des or ds3.

BB is the most streamlined game of them all, focusing almost 100% on action. it manages to have the highest skill ceiling of all the games, and violence is a huge theme treated very well in this game, so its not held down by being so limited in scope.

>.....des

des got so much right in 2009 its scary. and it still does one thing better than any other game. level progression, not only does it have multiple paths open (almost as many as das) but theyre worth going to and COMPLETING while youre there. only niche ds1 runs immediately go to blighttown and clear it out first, but valley of defilement is reasonable for faith builds to start.

>......das2=ds3

das2 overextended and failed at mostly everything compared to other games. the durability system, bonfire placement, not-so-surprise mobs throughout, awkward mmo combat that looks like an uncanny mess because of motion capture, an enormous dead zone in your basic movement, agility, life gems, halfassed torch exploration system, etc. but at least it TRIED so many things. it has variety. it took risk, and if you look at what some places look like in concept/early development you will feel the pain of loss of what this game couldve been. ds3 just gives you the safest game they couldve. linear world, barebones npcs aside from the londor questline which still feels bizarre, familiar level design, some instances of going for ds2's "gauntlet then another bonfire" design, etc. But...its actually fun. I dont think ds2 is. the bosses get pretty good near the end of ds3. and that safe-style development meant no shit like lost izalith making it in.

they both suffer as direct numbered sequels so ill let you decide which is better. i respect ds2 more, but i enjoy ds3 more, personally.

>>377108971
>taking Dark souls lore serious
>sperging out because of item descriptions
Here comes a shocking fact: i liked the fight

>>377108778
The surge looks so bland that i don't even consider buying it.
How did they make it look so boring?

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>>377109153
>Anon claims the fight is god tier for lore
>Point out why it's shit
>lol bruh stop sperging out over lore

>>377108971
oh fuck off
gael is the closest thing to a fight where you can't just spam rolls because of his cape and delayed spinny shit

>>377109316
Cape completely misses if you roll into his side

>>377109316
you cant "spam" rolls during any boss.

by spam he means do it back to back every time you see him flail. its so fucking easy. he just goes full retard and shoots fire and also lightning and also energy discs and his sword is fire and hes super fast but you just roll when you see him move to you.

>>377105127
>Gameplay:
BB > DkS3 > DeS > DkS2 ≥ DkS1.
>Music:
BB > DkS3 ≥ DeS > DkS1 >>>>> DkS2.
>Atmosphere:
BB >>>>> DkS1 ≥ DeS ≥ DkS3 > DkS2.
>Narrative:
BB >>>>> DkS2 > DeS >>>>> DkS1 = DkS3.
>Enemies:
BB > DkS3 >>>>> DeS = DkS1 = DkS2.
>Bosses:
BB = DkS3 > DkS2 >>>>> DkS1 = DeS.
>World design:
DkS1 >>>>> BB >>>>> "the rest."
>Level design (average):
DkS3 = BB > DeS >>>>> DkS1 >>>>> DkS2.
>PvP:
Garbage >>>>>>> "all Soulshit."
>DLC:
ToH > Ringed City >>>>> "the rest."
>Weapons:
BB ≥ DeS ≥ DkS3 ≥ DkS2 >>>>> DkS1.

>>377109480
>weapons
>DeS #2

lmao

power ranking threads are fucking autism

>>377109476
is there a single boss that isn't like that?
the entire series comes down to dodge when you see the windup and press r1 when you don't

>>377108826
why? I'm not retarded.

>>377107289
>>377105127
Fuck off Hbomberguy

>>377109598
DeS Estoc is easily the best weapon in the series and DBS is the best ultra greatsword. On average the weapons are fine, but it having literally the best weapon elevates it to #2 spot.

>>377109668
No game in the series is as forgiving for mashing roll as DS3
You can do about 8 rolls in a row and your default roll is a fast roll, in DS1 you'd usually be in medium armour doing a mid roll and actually have to think about stamina usage and conserving it, whether to block or dodge some attacks, or whether even to let yourself get hit by a light attack and damaged instead of being guard broken and left open for the next attack

>>377109668
>the entire series besides the good ones

des, ds1, and BB get hate for not having as many EPIC DUELS, but most of their fights are more interesting than "dodge sword". easy, probably. but area control, a puzzle, some fucking variety are better than lining up iframes with a swipe.

Dark souls 2 is my favorite :)

>>377108971
>Spam roll and he's triviliased
This is a retarded argument. Block spam and every DaS boss is trivialised, dash spam and every BB boss is trivialised
That's how these games have always worked yes
>you faggots think it's so deep and profound "omg two literal whos at the end of time"
It's not deep BECAUSE of that, but it's one of the things that make it deep
>Firstly he had no presence throughout the DLCs and we as the player are never given a reason to even slightly care about him.
You're not supposed to care about him, the real ending is SoC, this is just the story of a slave knight and his quest to allow the little girl to paint a new world.
>Secondly, his 'plan' didn't even make any sense.
>which takes place BEFORE the game begins, adding to the nonsensical status of his story
>he didn't expect us to turn up
>the ENTIRE TIME he had no way home or plan on what to do
Yeah you fucked up anon. The fight takes places at the very end of the age of fire, the ultimate end, literally minutes before it ends. The sun is literally not there when Gael is dead, it's the very end of the very end, not the beginning. His plan did make sense, he wanted the dark soul, but it was dried up, and since it's been split among all descendants of the furtive pigmy, he literally spent eons eating every dark souls bearer on earth.

You reached the end of times with the egg, and you find him there, eating the pigmy lords, the very last dark soul bearers. He knew he would go insane, and that was his plan, he wanted you to find him, and was hoping you can defeat him and give the blood to the girl.
> the point of the dark soul is that it's the only self propagating lord soul and each fragment is as strong as the others,
This is because the pigmy gave a part of it to every "human", it's not a property of the soul. While Gwyn gave a bit of his soul only to his best bros. That's why Gael ate EVERYONE for eons, because the pigmy gave his soul to EVERYONE.
kino

>>377108506
Ashes is tiny. The level design is hampered by all the fucking living trees, the most interesting part of it is the whole loop around to activate the PWoA reference to fight Friede which is in turn ruined by the fact that it's a flimsy wooden door.
The art design sucks because all the prop enemies look distinctly different from the real enemies, just like in the base game.
The new weapons would have been better if more of them had completely different movesets.
Friede is a shit fight. She has one real phase and it's solved once you figure out which attacks have a long enough interval for you to counterattack in. The rest of the fight is filler.

The level design is shit.
The first half of the DLC is straight paths between one-way drops that sometimes have little hallways to collect items and sometimes they broaden out into swamps/ash plains.
You're herded through this by hectic/stealth angel sections so you don't notice. Enemies are bad in this area because the Desert Sorceress gear is just a reference on an invader and no real effort was put into it, while most of the enemies in this area are just from the base game (Hollow slaves, poison bugs, 2 variants of Lothric knights) that are already ubiquitous.
The second half has you hectic/stealth your way past a summoner and are then pushed through fairly linear hallways (And one chandelier room) to the staircase where all the level design budget went, which is littered with the ambush hollows and 6 total Harald Legion soldiers that obnoxiously move up the stairwell (half of which only triggers when you get close to the bottom).
This leads into another swamp with with Locusts just copypasted everywhere and then a catacombs section that very quickly leads to the final 3 bosses.

1/2

>>377109873
You're my favorite special boy :) does special boy want some dino tendies I'll make sure to cook the Brontosaurus tendies extra crispy for my special boy since I know he likes to eat the bronty necks and tails extra crispy

>>377109803
>in DS1 you'd usually be in medium armour doing a mid roll
what?
any sensible person would have a fast roll UNLESS they were stacking poise and defense, which is a completely different and arguably worse kind of cheese
not even gonna mention how good shields were and how you can almost play the entire game without dodging once

>>377105127
Dark Souls 1 > Bloodborne > Demon Souls > Dark Souls 2 SotFS > Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls 2

>>377110091
:) All forms of chicken nuggets are terrible

>>377110383
:)Dark Souls 2 is terrible lol

>>377109954
>The fight takes places at the very end of the age of fire, the ultimate end, literally minutes before it ends.
Then is the High Wall of Lothric and the kingdom from the intro cutscene available in the background when they were already destroyed by the dreg heal time
Also Gael won't be at the chapel if you do TRC first which provides it takes place before the main game

>>377108506
>>377109956
2/2

>TRC bosses
2Demons has barely any attacks in the first phase. The ranged counterpart is more relevant than Friede during her second phase at least but the melee counterpart is the only real challenging part of this fight and is only kind of difficult. When both are melee then standard souls design makes actually fighting them a huge pain because they obscure one another and when they're both ranged they have no way of defending themselves or eachother. The rigid timer based structure of the first phase makes it very samey in terms of how it progresses.
The second phase really emphasizes that the arena is just a huge empty pit because all you really do is dodge/block the bombastic attacks and hit him while he recovers from them with little thought for your positioning.

Midir is the shittiest real dragon boss (no puzzles or ancient dragon). Piss easy to dodge every attack he does because you can not only spam rolls but also dodge a lot of his bombastic attacks with one barely timed roll and the tells are mostly obvious.And if that wasn't enough his attacks generally have a long enough recovery period for you to chug right after getting hit, making the only limiting factor for this fight is whether you have enough estus to make up for mistakes since he does a fair bit of damage and has a lot of health. This fight might be harder in coop because his AI would be significantly less predictable.

Gael is alright.
His arena is just this undefined desert that doesn't play well with the boss. Most of his attacks miss before the elevation differences and walls are taken into account even. it doesn't help at all that you can outrun Gael basically forever if you want to since your running speed is more than he can really catch up to. Aside from that he has really weak presence outside of this fight. He's also a rigid health% 2 phase bossfight and also a strong reference to Artorias (as well as a metareference to Guts).

>>377109954
Also he's surprised to see you which means he never planned for you to turn up. Did you actually play the game?

>>377105127
I wholeheartedly agree with this.
This is actually the most perfect list i have seen. Gj Anon!

>>377110952
>spam rolls memer

didn't read the rest kill yourself.

>>377109954
>he literally spent eons eating every dark souls bearer on earth.
Objectively false, Shira and that one ringed knight are still alive at that time

>>377109956
>The art design sucks because all the prop enemies look distinctly different from the real enemies, just like in the base game.
The overhaul aesthetic and feel of the level are god tier anon.
>The new weapons would have been better if more of them had completely different movesets.
Valorheart, the crow quills and friede's scythe are completely different movesets anon.
>Friede is a shit fight.
It's Maria on steroids, I really liked Maria, and Friede is the same but better and cuter.

>>377105127
DS 1>DS3>BB>DS2>DeS

My personal rating

BB=DaS3>DaS>DeS>DaS2

The only thing that makes DaS3 lower than BB is how fucking linear it is. all it needed was DaS tier world and it'd have been the best souls game.

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>>377105352

Bloodbourne and 3 are aids compared to the rest. First three are by far the best.

>>377111562
The overall aesthetic isn't better than Ariamis.

Valorheart/Crow quills are only unique when dual wielded and otherwise are just the stock straightsword and thrusting sword.
Friede's scythe is at least different from the other 3 identical (WA aside) scythes.

It'd be fantastic if the game didn't already have Maria's gimmicks on so many other bosses. First 2 phases aren't good.

>>377110948
>Then is the High Wall of Lothric and the kingdom from the intro cutscene available in the background when they were already destroyed by the dreg heal time
Only remaining structures are Lothric's castle and Anor Londo because AL was built way above every other structure and Lothric's castle rose above ground for some reason, making it higher. You see high wall of lothric in dreg heap because firelink shrine and therefore the kiln are literally right next to it, all areas are converging TOWARDS the high wall, high wall is kinda like ground zero.
>Also Gael won't be at the chapel if you do TRC first which provides it takes place before the main game
He won't be at the chapel but this rotten scrap of the painting is, meaning he already started his quest. You just got it backwards. He'll go for the dark soul no matter what, but it's better if Friede is dead once he gets it, since she doesn't want the painting to burn, member she is Yuria's sister.
>>377111003
He's surprised because he didn't expect you to survive this long. Member he spent eons, literally all the age of fire eating everyone, while you just fast forwared time when you broke the egg. This is what the "what, still here?" means. Then he asks for your dark soul, you back off because you're kinda scared and don't fully understand, which makes him go crazy, finding the dark souls was his ONLY purpose in life, and his been around since the war with the dragons.
>>377111260
Except Shira is invading you, and we know from Solaire that everyone has his own timeline, Shira can be invading you from the past. As for the ringed knight, I'm not sure about him yet.

Since I actually finished replaying DaS2 earlier today I can definitely without a doubt say:
BB>DaS1>DeS>DaS3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DaS2

>>377107871

You forgot midir, the best boss fight off the whole game

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when will the "Dark Souls 3 is bad, Dark Souls 2 was actually good the whole time haha it was just a prank when we all said it was bad when it came out" meme end?

Dark Souls>DaS3>Bloodborne>>>DaS2

never played Demon's

fight me BBfaggots

>bloodborne
>best
Nope

>>377112080
this is the worst opinion i ever read on /v/

DaS2 = BB > DaS > DaS3 = DeS

Enjoy them all almost equally, this is just based on how much I replay said games. For me DaS2 is just the most fun by far and has really fluid, but still methodical combat, followed closely by BB. DaS just has too many really shitty parts that I struggle to play though due to framedrops or blatantly unfinished/rushed content. DaS3 is 2fast4me, feels like a test of reaction speed, and rolling is so OP I beat pretty much every boss without learning their attacks and just spammed roll when shit got heavy. DeS is just really clunky and dated compared to the others so it feels a bit unsatisfying to play these days.

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BB is a fucking trash game.

Level design is absolute garbage and they literal just have giant sprawling rooms filled with tons of trash mobs so you just mash roll and R1 on them until they die.

The only people who shill it so hard are autistic sonybros and viral marketers trying to get people to buy a PS4.

>>377109480

>Completely ignoring DaS2 DLC

disregarded

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>>377105127
>interesting invade
>Fun PvP covenants
>funny gestures
>great DLC
>No sheaths on your character
>DS2 had tons of replay value. DS1 and DS3 had tons of areas that felt more like pains in the ass to be in rather than fun places to kill enemies.

Nostalgic Faggot will not admit that this is a comprehensive improvement

DS2>>DeS>>>DS1>>DS3>BB

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>>377105416
Retard

>>377113718
It's just woest than TOH and TRC, undeniably.

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>>377113258
>>377113948
Why are PCfags even allowed in Souls threads?
If you did not play ever Soulsborn game fuck off.

When is this "DS2 is the best Souls game" meme going to die?

Im 100% sure if they were to release DS4 you all faggots would start saying how DS3 was the best of them all.

These fucking contrarians, man, always think the best game is the latest released - 1

>>377115369
Was the same with DeS and DaS1.
DeS fanboys said DaS1 was shit.
After DaS2 came out DeS turned into the nostalgic entry everyone loved even with its flaws and DaS1 tunred into the best game ever.

/v/ is going to say the new entry is shit because more people play the new game so you can troll more people.

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>>377107289
>proven wrong
>spams pasta until it stops getting replies
>proven wrong

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>>377109295
/v/ is one person

>>377105127
Finally someone who gets it.