Is pic related the biggest downgrade of all time?

>>377104968
>source
your ass

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I still like it for the great programming

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>>377104968
Console parity ruins everything anon.
Their only mistake was releasing screenshots showing things that obviously wouldn't work on consoles.
Most devs already cripple the game way ahead in time.

DS2 says hello.

>>377104968
Still the best game of all time.

will /v/ ever get over it

>>377105414
No, this is 100% true. I can prove any point of this list.

>>377105559
Absolutely this holy fuck
Witcher 3 went from an 11/10 in graphics to a 9/10, DS2 went from a 9/10 to a 5/10

>>377105663
The only one I don't remember is screen space reflections in the E3 demo

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>>377104968
I literally do not give a single fuck.
Most critically acclaimed game GOTY literally objectively the greatest game ever made.

You can say otherwise but you can't avoid the blaring facts.

>>377105586
>>377105695
This is the truth.
TW3s downgrade felt disappointing, but it was just "well here we go again" stuff. DS2 was on a whole different level.

Nah I think Division/Watch_dogs was.

>>377105740
so?

>being this triggered that PS4 outperforms PC

>>377105414
You forget all the gameplay trailers or something my man?

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>>377105949

>>377105878
It's an alright game
Critical acclaim is handed out by idiots these days

>>377104968

Still one of the best games ever made

>>377104968
Dark souls 2

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>>377104968
>Playing Witcher 3 on consoles

>>377106968
This. At least Witcher 3 looked okay.

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>>377107025
Looks good to me.

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>>377105965
>30FPS
>Outperforms

I didn't really care about any of this shit, the biggest downgrade was the writer, lead writers of Witcher 1 and 2 was gone, lead writer wasn't even a writer so the main story and themes was a complete fucking disaster

>>377105547
If it weren't for consoles you wouldn't have gotten the game at all, they're a necessary evil to fund games

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>>377105965
>being this triggered that PS4 outperforms PC

>>377105547
I don't even get why CDPR gave a shit about console parity their main audience is still on PC. I can see why Ubisoft does it because its fucking Ubisoft. Does MS/Sony force this or something?

>>377107163
We don't need big budgets.
We need talent.

>>377107103
>>377107196
It's an objective fact that Witcher 3 can afford to look better on PS4 due to lower framerate. Plus, 30 FPS is much better for the more cinematic feel of Witcher 3.

>>377105586
>>377105887
>>377106885
tw3 was a forgettable experience and quite boring. i understand that it's a point of national pride for polish subhumans, but you must be rational about it

>>377107230
Yeah because I'm sure a game on the size and scope of Witcher 3 could have been made on $500k

Get over yourself. I bet you memed yourself into believing Witcher 1 is the best game in the series too.

>>377107298
What's the point of developing high quality assets with money you got from console manufacturers and then reverting those assets because said consoles can't even handle it?

>>377107157
side quests weren't THAT much better, depends on what you consider a side quest. There were obviosly main quests that you can skip but were a part of the main storyline.

Side quests weren't that much better I can think of a few good ones, like that quest in the forest on Skelige that captured the spirit of the books perfectly. I also liked that quest about the Witcher who kills an entire village, but then it hit me it was a ripping off Witcher 1, it was just like Berengar only in Witcher 1 it was a developed side quest spanning almost the entire game

>>377105547
>>377107213
>people still believe games get downgraded for consoles
I'm sorry to break this to you, but thats retarded. And you better be dropping this nonsense.
Have you ever seen a steamsurvey? The majority of the users don't even reach PS4/Xbone niveau with their systems.
Forums are full of "I cant run this shit game" threads.
Its not consoles that games get downgraded for. Its you. Its the PC audience that makes this.
Because if it was consoles, then they'd simply let it in as ultra settings.
Spealking of ultra settings. Another good reason for the downgrade: they simply couldn't make it work. TW3 on PC already is little difference between ultra and very high. Yet the performance impact is immense. So unless you can play on ultra with +60FPS you shouldn't even start with this argument. But even then, above applies.

No anons. Consoles have nothing to do with it.

>>377107267
Still looks worse than PC though and i could cap the framerate at 30 if i REALLY had to get that """""Cinematic"""" feel.

>>377107267
You must be trolling because I have a hard time believing someone could be this retarded.

>>377106885
>>377105586
Yep.

>>377104968
>Blaviken?
Butchered

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>>377107267
>Plus, 30 FPS is much better for the more cinematic feel of Witcher 3.

>>377107539
>Have you ever seen a steamsurvey?
Irrelevant, PC has settings, you can choose lower or higher graphics yourself and go for either better performance or better quality.

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>>377107267

>>377107074
>actual framerate

>>377107757
And? Would have been even worst considering the majority of steam users play on laptop.
Theres a reason why CS GO, LoL, etc. have shit tier graphics.
At least consoles give a standard every 5 years.

>>377107757
Not irrelevant when most people can't get above low-medium settings with their systems, so its wasted development time for CD to spend on high end graphics that only a minority can utilize.
The point is also moot since ultra has more effects/draw distance on PC than on consoles, so its obvious that they didn't downgrade it to console levels.

>>377107539
There's no such thing as downgrading for PCs because PCs are not a uniform platform anyway. That's why graphics setting exist so people can scale graphic fidelity as high or low as they want.
Consoles are the same however so they are the lowest common denominator.

>>377107735
Well it actually is. Uncapped high framerates are for shitty simulation games and crap like minecraft. Modern AAA titles tend to be more cinematic and thus suited to 30 FPS

>>377108008
>There's no such thing as downgrading for PCs
There obviously is.

>>377107919
>its wasted development time for CD to spend on high end graphics that only a minority can utilize
Ummm not really sweetie because even if it's a minority by comparison it's still a large number of users regardless. There simply aren't any that can run TW3 on higher settings with a decent framerate as opposed to PC where SOME systems can do it, even if not all there's still plenty of money to be made from thousands of sales to higher end users unlike consoles which have 0 high end users.

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>>377107267
>30 FPS is much better

>>377108010
This is pasta guys don't respond.

>>377108079
>le manchild eats burgers on youtube and OH NOES HE MAY BE DEPRESSED!!!111

Your picture invalidates the argument

>>377108008
The downgrade drama happens because dev didn't know the consoles requirements. Watch dogs, the division, tw3 were developped while the next gen wasn't released yet.
Oh and you have PC games which were downgraded as well (WoW for exemple).

>>377104968
>My amount of fucks given?
Zero

>>377108071
No there fucking isn't. For PC there are minimum requirements, graphics settings and, if a dev feels really generous, HD-packs/patches.
Consoles don't have/need any of that because every console has the same requirement.

It's been years and people are still shitposting this amazing game.

>>377108074
>even if it's a minority by comparison it's still a large number of users regardless.
And by comparison the majority overshadows that to a huge degree. Look at the steam surveys.
Not to mention that look at games like Uncharted 4, The Order or HZD.
These are the kind of graphics you get when you have conform hardware. Meanwhile PC games keep gimping themselves due to low end users being the majority of their consumer base.

>>377108256
>2 years

You're an idiot, but you're not technically wrong

>>377108216
>Consoles don't have/need any of that because every console has the same requirement.
Which is why PS4 exclusives look pretty damn great. And which is why PC games look eeeeh.
Stop blaming consoles for your problems.

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>>377104968
yeah what a disaster

>>377105740
at this point in my life

i would

>>377107539
>What is scalability and proper optimization
You've clearly never played a game on PC in your life so you shouldn't even begin to act like you know what your talking about. Battlefield 1 and Doom 4 are both very demanding games visually with BF1 being one of the best looking games out currently. Despite that they are also some of the best performing games on PC right now AND console. Both also scale extremely well to low end systems. Unlike consoles PC aren't locked into a single graphics setting (2-3 in PS4/PS4 Pros case depending on game). Games on PC can also be made to scale for newer hardware down the line. Crysis is the best example of this where 60FPS at the time of release was next to impossible on max settings but as better hardware came out it became more possible. I had a relatively shit PC at the time of its release but I could still run crysis at 720p very low/low settings.

The problem is lazy as fuck devs like Ubisoft who are one of the major culprits of spreading the "cinematic 30FPS" meme. When you go back to my example of BF1 again which mind you targets 60FPS on consoles and compare it to Ubisoft or a ton of other devs with games run at 30FPS AND look worse than BF1 it all just points to developers being lazy.

>Have you ever seen a steamsurvey? The majority of the users don't even reach PS4/Xbone niveau with their systems.
Yeah because there are a ton of 3rd worlders who only play DOTA2 or CSGO PC has a much wider market reach in 3rd world countries where it is inaccessible. Brazil being a notable example where a playstation 4 costs over $1500 USD and the console market is almost nonexistent. Those markets aren't even lost sales because they only play F2P shit or really cheap games like CSGO to begin with.

>So unless you can play on ultra with +60FPS you shouldn't even start with this argument
I have a 1070/6700k so yes I should start this argument even poorly optimized shit like DXMD or Dishonored 2 I can still hold 60.

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>>377108160
>WoW for exemple
You mean the 13 year old game that was developed on a rusty frankenstein engine that was already feeling its age when WoW was developed?

>>377108216
Consoles are just the minimum requirement anon. You can have all these things on a multiplat if the dev care about PCs.
For exemple watch dogs 2 : Volumetric fog, ultra textures, ray traced shadows, etc.
Same with GRW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_2-enZ2FE4

For Tw3, it's CDPR's fault : They wanted platform parity.

>>377108389
this image is pure kek

>people still believe in downgrades
It wasn't downgraded. Those were obvious bullshots and edited videos. Game came out two years ago, and judging from the videos people take as "downgrade" proof, it would still be the best looking game if it came out in 2019.

It obviously wasn't downgraded. It was just PR.

>>377108532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4ony2r0QFs

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>>377108437
>You've clearly never played a game on PC in your life
Yes I have. But unlike you, my head is not up my ass, which is why I know whats going on.
Show me one PC exclusive that looks as good as Uncharted 4 or HZD out of the box(without modding).

Thats the level of graphics your games are supposedly "downgraded" to. No anon, there's no downgrade. Especially since you push the settings meme. When developers include settings they would simply have consoles run at lower settings(which TW3 already does btw.), so no downgrade needed. Simple as that. Wake up sheeple.

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>>377108594
looks the same desu

>>377107286
k
If it wasn't as popular drones like you would be all over the game

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>>377108132
Wow anon, what did reviewbrah ever do to you to deserve such hate? He's pure.

>>377106885
/THREAD

>>377108819
Clean your eyes man. Every thing listed by OP can be noticed here.

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>>377107286
>tw3 was a forgettable experience and quite boring.
>you must be rational about it

How is rational to literally say you just don't like it? there is tons of stuff to do and every single fucking quest has its own background story behind it and interesting too, which other games failed to do (muh radiant fetch quests).

Oh let me guess, i'm not allowed to like what you don't like. Got it.

>>377109239
no, it can't

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>>377109298
Here just a small exemple about geometry : Look at the edge of the wall.
So please, clean your eyes, especially if you don't notice how the lighting completely changed.

>game is downgraded to actually run on current systems
>/v/ throws a fit

I mean it is typical marketing, but I guess its a good thing its still one of the best looking games out there.

>>377109680
It's not only marketing : They didn't do it for tw2, and they revealed the final version before the release of the game.
It's just that they started to develop the game before knowing the ps4/xone requirements.

>>377109594
Not him but I agree with another poster saying they obviously couldn't make it work.
Not to mention that it was very early in development an there might be tons of reason why they couldn't make it work.
Console dowgrades are a myth.

>>377107286
>tw3 was a forgettable experience

Daily threads for 2 years straight prove you wrong.

>>377109820
It wasn't early in development. This gameplay was released in 2014 (and the game was supposed to be released in 2014).
Also what the features they downgraded aren't that impressive and some of them are common, even on consoles games.
Imo they scrapped every thing and were in a hurry.

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>>377109820
>Console dowgrades are a myth.
they couldn't make it work because the consoles were weak as piss

>>377109769
>It's just that they started to develop the game before knowing the ps4/xone requirements.
But that doesn't make any sense. If so they could've simply lowered the settings for consoles(which they already did for TW3).
So blaming consoles for the downgrade in TW3 is beyond retarded. The game is downgraded further on consoles than it is on ultra on PC. So that doesnt make sense. Parity is a buzzword.

>>377110020
The screenshot literally says 2013 though.
>>377110021
>they couldn't make it work because 90% of PC systems are weak as piss
FTFY

>>377110115
You don't simply lower the settings on consoles. Its far more complicated and you can't work on 2 different version of a game. This is why we talk about console port, ie the main build is designed for consoles.
>>377110216
eurogamer made a mistake. This is the 35mn gameplay wich was released in 2014, after the e3.

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>>377110216
as opposed to 100% of consoles?

>>377109594
bottom looks significantly better to me

>game still looks great
>has one of the best cities in Open World RPGs
>everyone mad about graphics downgrade pre release

when will you niggas get over it. It has been 12 years now

>>377110352
>you can't work on 2 different version of a game
>ie the main build is designed for consoles.
That doesn't make any sense. Also contradicts the "they didn't know the specs when they started" argument.
Seriously, this just seems like random bs to me.
Also, they already did it. As said above. The game on ultra looks better than on PC. So lowering the settings obviously works.
Also in a world in which Uncharted and HZD exist, that seems even more bs.

>>377104968
I remember shills swearing up and down that the game wasn't downgraded all the way to release, including to fucking devs.

>>377109594
I dunno what point you're trying to make, bottom looks better

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>>377104968
> cultural diversity?
Nonexistent

>>377111449
yea i love washed up lighting man. Oh and that grass w/o translucency is so great! Ps2 feels.

>>377109594
the only good thing about TW3 is that both the grass and castle geometry can be modded back in

also, that is not "just a small example"... it is practically the only example

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It was undeniably downgraded, but it still looks really fucking good in places.

>>377111669
>the only good thing about TW3 is that both the grass and castle geometry can be modded back in
Lmao, no you can't.
>it is practically the only example
You can check the list of OP for other exemples.

>>377111881
The forests, swamps and cities all look fucking amazing.

So basically nearly all of the game

>>377111942
which "exemples" would they be?

>>377111449
look at the draw distance and the grass and then kill yourself
>>377110021
this
https://twitter.com/Essenthy/status/799929801234493440/photo/1

>>377112065
Can't you read?

i hate this series just because people say its the best

no it fucking isnt

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>>377112130
i don't think you know what an example is m8

>have 400 villages in the game
>none of them are as comfy and well designed as flotsam

>>377111467
Who?

>>377111942
it is the only example of simplified geometry, not of overall downgrades
>lmao
http://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/2310/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/1516/?

>>377112256
second only to Gothic 1 & 2, yes the Witcher trilogy is the best computer RPG series of all time

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>>377112256
t. weeb

>>377112379
Evelyn Claire

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>>377112425
I can actually live with that assessment.

>>377112360
completely true

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>>377112392
> It featured translucency which can't be brought back by us mortal users unfortunately
Also, that fucking wall edge AHAHAHAHA. Man i can't see the difference with the e3 version, thats so perfect.
Hes going to do that for every every building on the game?
>>377112260
Sorry, misunderstood. Here is another exemple and go watch the video already. The geometry is completely downgrade.

>>377112360
>have 400 villages in the game
>none of them are as comfy and well designed as flotsam
Thats true. Oxenfurt and Novigrad aren't villages. They're cities.

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>>377109594
>that bottom pic

Kek. Is that what the Witcher looks like on Xbox?

>>377112360
flotsam has a god tier OST, it's not fair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2AKB7g3hr0

>>377113005
No it's on PC, and you can slap any enb mod that you want it will stay the downgraded turd that we all know.

>>377113158
Whatever senpai, but if you're going to go on about the downgrade at least post that pic that shows where they downgraded the fire animations and particles.

That Novigrad gate area looks nowhere near as bad in the game as >>377109594 makes it out to be.

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>>377112730
I wonder if she smells like gooseberries

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>>377114691
Lit particles were removed, and the smoke effect were downgraded (they lost volume).

>>377112818
I love these image comparisons people do

>Look! See? They look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!!!
>Both images feature complete different times of day and weather conditions

No shit it looks different, genius

>>377108389
Geralt is on a whole new level of smug in this pic

>>377104968
>playing on a toaster
you have yourself to blame

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>>377105414
he is 100% right you dumbass, look at this bullshit how misleading were old gameplays

>>377116873
oh come the fuck on, you're posting 2 year old youtube footage as evidence still? this image was always horse shit

yes TW3 was downgraded and almost everything in this thread has been genuine up until this point. The colors on the bottom are washed out from youtube and the camera angle is far worse, making the game look cheaper simply by that

the swamp in game is one of the best looking areas with the most complex lighting. one of the least downgraded parts of the game

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>>377117008
>defending CDP scammers

wew

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Witcher 3 downgrade was particularly bad and I still have not forgiven CDPR on it however I do feel Dark Souls 2 was worse simply because whilst Witcher 3 downgraded from best looking game ever to a great looking game. Dark Souls 2 downgraded from a great looking game to something that looks like a late PS2 title.

>>377116385
Can't you fucking notice the differences with the edges of the windows you fuck tard?

>>377117261
I literally did not defend them. I just said your shitty 2 year old debunked evidence is fucking bullshit and you know it. The game was downgraded, but your images are fucking retarded pre release garbage

>>377117261
>CDP scammers
Yes the game was downgraded. But its still one of the best looking games. So contain your autism.

>>377117306
This. I'm actually surprised that people still talk about TW3. Witcher isn't even close to the biggest downgrade.

>>377117837
>>377117306
I still refuse to play DS2 because of how badly it was fucking butchered, and then they fucking remastered it and it didn't even look better

>>377117910
You're honestly not missing out on much if you've played Dark Souls 1 and 3, though it's still better than a lot of games since a crap Dark Souls is still better than most games at that time.

After I've played it thpigh, the downgrade is the least of the game's concerns.

Still, despite being a worse game than Dark Souls 3 I give it more respect than Dark Souls 3 because it atleast tried something new rather than rehash Lordran, link fire etc. etc.

>>377118132
Yeah DS 3 was really fucking annoying for me with all the copying and unoriginality

>>377105536
So that's what they meant by immersion.

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don't know never got this one .
story lost me 1/4 of the way into the second game.
I love geralt but the fact that I am a swordsman irl makes it impossible to play the game.
I find I'm always trying to coach and fix geralts stance and swing , I would say style but there is none.
pic related to fighting game play .

>>377104968
>investing tons of workhours and resources (i.e. money) in a games graphics without a return of investment, just to please 1% of your audience
>not a waste of time and money

on top of that, e3 footage was always prettier than the endproduct. it's like half of /v/ startet gaming as a hobby 3 days ago

>>377119045
>investing tons of workhours and resources (i.e. money) in a games graphics without a return of investment, just to please 1% of your audience
that's not what happened though. They built the game the way they wanted to and then gutted it to meet these requirements>>377112076

>Get to level 22 on PS4
>Spend $3k on PC setup
>don't want to play console anymore
>don't want to start all over
>don't want to download some random game file from the internet

I fucking

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>>377122240

>>377105559

Funnily enough just about everything besides world building (which was shit in both) was better in DS2.

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The game still looks breathtaking on pc

>>377122407
pretty much

How's the game look on PS4?

>>377107539
>Forums are full of "I cant run this shit game" threads.
thats you m8