>you will never play WoW for the first time again

Why the fuck would I ever want to play WoW? You casual babbies ruined the genre.

>>377099483
Blizzard will launch legacy servers anyday now

Good since I got addicted to it and dropped out of college when it first came out.

>>377099524
This
It went downhill as soon as WoW attracted the casual crowd

>>377099551
Supposing that was the case, what would that have to do with playing for the first time? Most people didn't clear T1 within 6 days /played on their first characters while that's the kind of experience veteran players would get.

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>not even posting the real login screen

>>377099524
>>377099690
>EQ invented themepark genre and was the first mmo that focused on the casual crowd with shit like "death is literally slap in the wrist with just 1/3 exp loss and being able to get your gear back if someone res you or you run to your body"
>No need to actually interact with other players except for the teaming up to kill something
>pve shit focus, but not fun player made content pve like in ultima and swg but unfun garbage
Fucking neo /v/ and newfags

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>>377099483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do5s0MQvF9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78xB_GqLwPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXMguMnsyak&list

>tfw no game has ever given me the same sense of wonder than WoW when it first came out.

I miss it sometimes.

>>377099894
>EQ big enough to do any real damage
lmao

>>377100328
>before EQ mmo had thousands players at best
>With EQ age of 100k+ subs came
>BUT THIS ONE DOESN'T COUNT I SWEAR
Fuck off, retard

>>377100493
Not even a dent in WoW's numbers. At least you had to be a dedicated braindead carebear to grind it out in EQ.

It sucks. it also sucks that I miss having that kind of time to play. Not having to worry about random shit.

>>377099894
>>No need to actually interact with other players except for the teaming up to kill something

Why is this a thing? Seeing it a lot in FFXIV where guilds basically have no reason for existing, it's depressing and practically killed my interest in the game.

>Chuck Norris invented the c-section by roundhouse kicking out of his mother

>>377099551
probably not. legion is on an upswing compared to wod, a literal first since the decline that started at cataclysm. they're probalby seeing now that investing lots of resources into actual quality makes a difference.

>>377099483
>never touched an mmo
>some friends from IRC starts telling me about WoW and how great it is
>they play the korean beta
>use some turtorial on the korean website and get myself an account
>pick undead priest
>even though it was korean many people spoke english
>have the greatest gaming experience of my life
>cant fucking wait for retail
>play vanilla religiously, even clear naxx
>needed to be responsible with my life so i stopped before TBC came out
>eventually pick up TBC and play it casually
>stop playing
>pick up WotLK
>play some eventually stop
>pick up Cataclysm
>same shit
>pick up Mists
>same
>pick up Warlords
>you get the idea
>now playing Legion and it mostly feel like its a thing you do, its part of my life
>friends are playing it, raiding is fun
>nothing will ever come close to 1st year of Vanilla though

I bet this is what a lot of nostalgiafags feel and they somehow think they can reimagine what it was like. It doesnt work. I played like 40 levels on Nostalrius and altho it was fun to an extent its not the same. It will never be the same.

>>377099483
snek'd

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Are there any vanilla private servers still up?
If so, which would anyone recommend?
I'd just like to experience what it was like during vanilla.

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As someone who played vanilla when I was 14-15 I find that a lot of the whining is pure nostalgia.
Vanilla had a ton of flaws which made lvling a huge pain. Mob spawn rate being the biggest one imo.
Also it was way more time consuming than it is now and I don't have that kind of time to sink in it anyway.
The biggest problem Legion has is that it forces you to focus on a single char at a time.

>Dungeon Finder
Nobody is forcing you to use that.

>But I enjoyed spamming chat trying to get a group together
Really, anon? Did you really enjoy that? Okay.

>There's no more socializing
I can't speak for the US servers but the EU(English) community is possibly the most chill and friendly community.

>>377102938
If you had a guild with people who you could rely on getting groups for dungeons were never really an issue.

Noone liked sitting in trade looking for group for 45min and once you got going someone would leave halfway through so you couldnt finish or wait another 30min to get a replacement. So smart ones would join stable guilds and I think that is at the core of what people complain about when they say they miss the social aspect.

>>377099483
*runescape
WoW is for braindead casual retards and children.
Runescape had soul, unlike the drek that blizzard makes

>>377102183
Wasn't it just released not long ago that subs are marginally above wod?

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>>377099483
I wish I've never played it for the first time in the first place

>>377103753
i wish i had a cool eye scar like that.

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>>377099483
>you will never play WoW for the first time

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>>377099483
What the fuck is up with that image OP?

>Slightly altered vanilla login screen
>Version 1.0 2004
>Copyright 2015
>battle.net account name
>vanilla wow logo

>>377099551
No they won't. They got atleast 2 expansions planned out, and every moment feels like "well we just launched an expansion/well were just about to launch an expansion, why are we spilling the playerbase right now" to the shareholders.

Also if Blizz releases legacy servers, I just know they're gonna fuck it up somehow. The most nerfed raid versions they could dig up, some "quality of life" mechanics that carry over from retail, no progression, or only BGs and raid releases in patches, the balance and items staying the same. Something.

And if Blizzard releases these inferior legacy servers, private server population will drop and some servers might even quit, and were left with these shit servers instead of the decent ones we had.

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>>377100263
fuck you just fuck you.
Legacy servers NOW

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>>377102938
What I miss is being able to explore the world. Nowadays you know everything that a patch/expansion will bring before it even comes out because of datamining. My fondest memory of the game is exploring the vanilla zones with friends desu.

>>377104173
Dude, stop. It's not going to happen. They lost most of the code like the mouthbreathers they are and they aren't going to spend the cash needed to reverse engineer it. The private servers are fine for free and shitty russian hackjob servers, but that shit wouldn't fly on a subscription model.

>>377102931
You won't.
It's foolish to believe that playing on a private server, even one that 100% accurately emulates vanilla WoW, would recreate the vanilla experience.

It won't be the same experience, the same adventure, sense of wonder, the same people you play with, none of all that.

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>>377099483
TFW only got to play BC and WOTLK through 10-day trials

>>377104452
Even without datamining, it wouldn't be the same. Early Vanilla was magucal becwuse they had no fucking idea what they were doing. Putting a random quest in the middle of nowhere, letting lv24 elites patrol through level 10 areas, rewarding you with weird vanity items like Noggenfogger or putting a random village or cave somewhere with little to not relevancy because why not? That wasn't necessarily good, but the lack of polish is what made it an adventure.

if ffxiv is allowed a general on /v/ then wow should get one too

>>377102183
>legion is on an upswing compared to wod

proofs? Sounds like a like bullshit.

>>377100263

I love the ambience and how quiet some of the music in Vanilla was.

>>377104891
He's talking out of his ass, people drop legion faster than anything else, it's the worst expansion yet

even though it's a meme by now, the "you think you do but you don't" is actually 100% accurate. take off your shitty nostalgia goggles

>b-but a private russian server had a lot of people on at the same time!!

because it's FREE. it's why f2p is so popular, poorfags will flock to ANYTHING that is free.

Do Tauren count as Minotaurs?

>>377105041
low bait, shitty copy pasta from the Blizzard forums.

>>377105041
Well, it's not like people wouldn't WANT the vanilla/tbc experience.

I would. I loved that time.

The problem is that what I want is more than just the vanilla WoW client. It's all that came with it. The age I was, the time I had, the friends I played with, the "everyone is new to the game", the adventures, the exploration, the first time you kill Onyxia, clear MC, go into BWL and make progress.. the community, the guild, all of that.

I could install the vanilla WoW client and play on a private server right now but it wouldn't bring me back all of those and without those it's nowhere near what I actually want when I say "I miss vanilla WoW"

>>377099483

>I will never consider killing myself while trying to complete "The Green Hills of Stranglethorn" on a PVP server with my friends again.

It's a sad feel

>>377105053
They only really count is native americans.

>>377105118
I just wrote it you inbred mongoloid. but this discussion is so old now that anything related to it can be pasta.

LET IT FUCKING GO, IT'S NEVER HAPPENING.

>>377104626
You missed out big-time

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>>377100263
>that Teldrassil music

Fucking nostalgia man

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>>377102938
These arguments are stupid. Who the fuck wants to gimp them selves in a multiplayer game.

The fun of playing a character progression RPG is playing at your maximum potential and abusing the games mechanics in your favor, why would i play a game if i had to ignore multiple game mechanic to enjoy myself. It just reeks of shitty game design.

>>377105053
Does OP count as a homosexual?

>>377104891
Its true but only because the bar was set so low its not really a real achievement

I quit just before wotlk and did everything in the game except the last wing of naxx.

I wish I never started playing WoW, what a waste of time and money.

>>377104148
Sarcasm- less time typing and more time learning to identify it.

>>377099483

The game sucked bad though.They made it only playable at WOTLK but by then they simply rekt# what was actually good of it.(actual world PVP, logistic management during raids,immersion)

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>>377099551

>>377105381
>They made it only playable at WOTLK

What did he mean by this?

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>>377105196
Why am I still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my the raids, the laughs, even the bugs... The experience I've lost out on... the grinding I've lost out on... won't stop hurting... It's like it still happened? I'm gonna make them give back my past!

>>377099551
even if they did, what would they do with it? people will drop it in a week after realising there's nothing to do

>>377105294
PROOFS

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>>377104891
>>377105025
pic related

>>377105294
while this is true, consider they stopped a consistent freefall that's been happening since Cataclysm

>>377105704

>nothing to do

How is that true though?
You can go on retail do your weekly lockout shit and then you literally have nothing to do, thats not how legacy is though.

Anyway that would be the best, it would mean I'd get to stay and keep playing with a small core of players, instead of being infested with massive tagger-on crowd like nostal had in the end.

Its not the game I miss the most, its the pre-2007 internet.

>>377099483
>you'll never be young again, before you made all those mistakes

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tfw the first time this gem dropped and u thought ur getting rich af

>>377102931
Ever since Elysium turned out to be shit, I've struggled to find any.
You can have my accounts on Elysium if you want.
Then you won't have as many issues getting off the ground.

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>>377106064

>tfw when you got Icy enchantment on your dual wielded weapons

My e-peen could've cut diamonds

>dum dumaduma dum
>DUM
>DUM
>DUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZD81cUBwHo

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>legacy server launched

> 1 year later it dies since its basically SoO tier content drought

Wow...

>inb4 world pvp argument

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>>377106172
>Parents leave for work
>Skip school
>Hear that sound as a kid
>Remember that it's Tuesday
>mfw

It wasn't even best for the first time. I enjoyed it much more in Burning Crusade. I just stopped playing Ragnarok Online and gave WoW one last shot before turning away from this god forsaken genre forever. I couldn't imagine even in my wildest dreams what's gonna happen when I cross that portal.

Damn. Truly a golden age of MMO. Wrath babbys have no idea, they witnessed just the dawn of a golden age.

>>377103840
you can get one you know

>>377099483
>never played WoW
>have the feeling I never missed anything

>>377102931
You can play vanilla but the mindset of players has changed so you wont be getting any experience unless you are playing with a group of friends.

>>377106307

You mean dusk, WTLK was the ashes.

TBC was the best of times, the game was no longer as terrible as it was in classic but the community was still not as bad as in Wrath.

>tfw Corecraft is dead now too, it was too good for this world

>hear about this game for years and how supposedly it's so great and no other mmorpg can compare
>finally give in and play it for the first time (starting with legion)
>months and months of grinding the same shitty dungeons
>finally get a legendary
>it's a shit one
>get two more over the next 3 months
>also shit
>try really hard but it doesn't matter, have shit DPS due to shitty legendaries, thus get kicked from raids, THUS cannot get any bis trinkets

yeah, nice game faggots, i sure am fondly remembering my first time playing this heaping pile of shit

>>377104148
>The most nerfed raid versions they could dig up
To be fair, besides a few broken bosses (and I remain sceptical about vanilla theorycrafting concluding bosses like C'thun as impossible), everything in vanilla is trivial even in its original state.

The most unnerfed versions of some TBC bosses can probably resist a typical raiding guild and something like the unkilled version of Morogrim Tidewalker or original Vashj (the one Nihilum killed, but with presumed exploits they allegedly used fixed) may provide a legit obstacle even for high-end guilds, but with modern know-how and pre-knowledge of optimal raid comps, boss strategies etc. everyone and their mother will beat the vanilla content easily and first clears will be done within hours of first groups setting their foot inside the raids.

>>377106501
>shit dps due to shit legendaries

Sounds like you are bad at your rotation

>>377106501

This is a 18+ site and we don't feel bad for you

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>>377106501
>playing Legion

>>377106592

Did new expansions ever do bosses like archimonde where a single persons fuckup will wipe the raid every time?

>>377106595
no, fuck you

i played arms warrior and you do a literal 30% more damage AT LEAST just having draught of souls

of course out of 10 times doing guldan i didn't get a single one

but spread your asses some more for blizzards dick and defend a company that's hella shitty at balancing their games

>>377099483
It's more about how I'll never be a teenager with all the free time in the world again.

>>377099483
>playing WoW for the first time currently.
Having a really good time desu

>>377106595
This is something I dont get.I assumed people would have mathed out optimal rotations and just do those. How do/did people have drastic differences in output with simmilar gear?

>>377106680
A capable raid should be able to deal with one Soul Charge no problem, it's just 4.5k raid damage (and a secondary effect depending on the class of player who died, but because Archimonde is easy, those don't really matter). They're only really a problem if another player dies to Soul Charge and things cascade out of control from there (or if two players die simultaneously to begin with).

As for your actual question, there probably hasn't been a similarly blatant punish mechanic (I don't know about post-WotLK though) but all kinds of stupid moves can be de facto wipes from chaining Chain Lightning on Thorim or standing in Defile in Lich King (subsequently increasing its radius and then causing other players to take the damage as well and increasing the radius further). Probably the most blatant example is Anub'arak phase 2 kiting (you have spikes following a player with constantly increasing speed, reset once you reach a patch of ice: if you die then the spikes will just shoot to the raid at lightning speed, or if you kite them to ice too early, there might not be enough patches to survive the fight).

>>377106501
>starting with legion
stupid underage

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The game was always a piece of shit. Just it was an unknown frontier because guidefags hadn't mapped every square inch and mathed out optimized algorhthms for every action down to I win pvp macros. Thats why MMOs are dead, the second a new one comes out it's cataloged and solved in a week.

>>377106723
Maybe stop being bad at your class

>>377107314
People are stupid like the guy above and have a lot of trouble doing simple things

Is Elysium any good?

>>377107583

Dataminers ruin everything

>>377104006
Just a hardcore baby that played Wow vanilla in 2015.

>>377107680
Vanilla wow is garbage so no.

>>377104751
That's why you cannot play Vanilla or another expansion before the official launch, everyone will know everything.
Bosses, enemies, zones, items, builds, it just doesn't feel unique anymore.

>>377106084
[email protected]
I'd like to try that, much appreciated, anon.

>>377106295
What do you mean? You were sad because it was Tuesday?

>>377107583
same can be said for literally any game

>>377108019
tuesday is US maintenance day, servers are down during the morning

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>>377106350
TFW no nekkers to fight and get cool looking scars

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>>377099483
Good.

>>377107537

True on one death with Archimonde, though I think he become "easy" only once everyone got their welfare gear with the ZA update, for when progression raids arrived to him it wasn't that easy.
As for responsibility on the whole raid at once like he does, or that guy in TK with the bomb spell, or Teron with the picking out of random people, that was what I was curious about.
Most bosses in general are easy as hell as long as the people who have important jobs do them.

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>>377108121
Oh, eurofag here

>>377108234
RIP. Bots are fucking cancer

>>377107583
Not really, souls games are pretty hard even though they have been minmaxed and they still have that feeling of exploration that wow has.
The problem is not so much the guides but how easy the game is.
And yes I know that mythic is hard, but there is no mistique around it because the content can be clear on an easier setting. As many problems as vanilla had, the bosses were mysterious. You only saw naxx on YouTube unless you were on one of the top guilds, now anyone can kill any boss so the have been trivialized.

Make wow more like dark souls in difficulty and the game would go back to its roots

What makes vanilla wow better than current? I've never played wow, so I don't know.

>>377108381
Sorry about all the typos I'm phoneposting

>>377107593
>same can be said for literally any game
Pretty much people dont enjoy games around here because they know them too well. Even if you put a bunch of fresh players in a new mmo without any info their knowledge of previous games will cause them to destroy it in weeks.

Modern WoW is fucking cancerous. I accepted a random guild invite.. and the guild chat was full of normies. People were talking about fucking girls, going to festivals, having jobs, going out with friends and all other shit which should not belong to a WoW community.

I want videogames to be for friendless weirdo losers again.

>>377108387
the community experience, the lack of elitism and min-maxing, the general innocent cluelessness of the game
none of those things can be emulated through private servers

>>377108381
>Darksouls is hard
It really isn't, doubly so if there's a guide for you. People smashed 3 sideways when it came out.

>>377108729
>People smashed 3 sideways when it came out.

yes after they played 4 other Souls title you inbred.

>>377099894
Thanks for making me laugh before im heading to work. Someone clearly never played EQ...

>tfw no MMO will come close to WoW in your lifetime

>>377107314
All the other things but rotation, like minimizing movement, encounter-specific tactics, optimal stacking of cooldowns and generally optimized gear/spec. "Rotation" actually is a minor factor in differences between players. For example, I once ran simulations on WotLK enhancement (often considered the most involved or second most involved spec in the expansion) with reverse priority queue (besides keeping magma totem/lightning shield refresh at the bottom, otherwise they'd be the only abilities to be used) and that was over 90% of theoretical maximum DPS and any honest attempt obviously would be far closer to 100% than the reverse.

Consider this for example: you have 3s hard casts. You interrupt one cast towards the end of its cast time in one minute fight. That's ~5% less DPS right there. There's a reason why theorycrafting has always recommended speed enchants on boots: getting a lot of attacks in is far more valuable than getting the "right" attack in every single time as opposed to mere 95%.

Things like stacking cooldowns is also a pretty big deal. To provide an example with WotLK Enhancement I already mentioned, something like using wolves during trinket and weapon AP procs and possibly waiting if trinket still has its internal cooldown left can provide a quite substantial boost to DPS (since they snapshot to the AP you had at the moment of being summoned). Throw in separate bloodlust to them for good measure if the rest of the raid has Satisated debuff. Most of everyone can read up theorycrafting and use the correct rotation but not everyone utilizes every other more subtle trick in the book and depending on the class the boosts can be substantial.

>>377108653
>the lack of elitism and min-maxing
This is a lie, WoW was always about min-maxing. The content just didn't require it for most of the game and some guilds didn't know what was good for what class. If there wasn't any elitism every spec would have been in every raid, but that just wasn't the case because hybrids were so blatantly worse.
Turns out that most hybrids actually stack up pretty well to pure classes if you really know what you're doing though.
I've played plenty of vanilla WoW and BC pservers and had a blast. The community is definitely still there, and some mechanics are weird enough that not everything is totally spelled out for everyone.

>>377108880

maplestory was infinitely better

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>>377106064
>mfw I realised I couldn't disenchant it.

>>377108610
>>I want videogames to be for friendless weirdo losers again.
There's a lot of that as well. It's just not exclusive anymore these days.

>>377108653
>wiping 50 times because people were too noobish to tank n spank.
Yeah nah I can live without those memories.
About the only good MMO left is EVE but the high learning curve memes scare people off do only the most dedicated or yolo retards play.

>>377108893
>>377107314
And while the game tends to be seen as solved, the solutions may be "generally speaking optimal" rather than "optimal in this specific situation actually capable players will recognize". And sometimes the conventional wisdom is just wrong. For example, I'm not sure if this is the case with pre-2.3.0 mana regen, but certainly after that Arcane actually was the #1 mage DPS spec at low-mid gear levels (even more so with T5 set bonus) but most players fell to fire meme because it was what theorycrafters recommended for T6. And even if they tried to just respec, it wouldn't have turned out right because arcane gearing was much different to frost/fire/arcane+frost.

That kind of optimization can also eke out a couple of percent advantages (even misunderstood theorycrafting is far from the worst you can do) and they all add up. But the most important individual factor are things like minimizing movement or encounter-specific tricks like multi-dotting.


And of course, a lot of people "play for fun" without giving good play backed up by theorycrafting even an honest attempt.

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>>377108387
the lack of normies, retards, and other bottom-of-the-barrel gamerscum that invaded the internet in ~2007

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>>377108990
this

>>377099894
>No need to actually interact with other players except for the teaming up to kill something
This post gave me secondhand embarrassment.

>>377108938
Is Seanbaby even writing for cracked anymore or did they fire him for being too problematic/not making all his articles about how tough it is to be a tranny

>>377099859
someone just took a screenshot of his elysium

why did this "breaking news" pop up? When i downloaded the game it wasnt there

>>377108880
Yeah, it's a pretty awful feeling. Every MMO commits a pretty egregious sin and becomes unplayable because of it. Either they have a shitty setting, combat that doesn't flow well or a world that isn't truly an open world. The last one is broken the most and has caused me to drop many a game. Every zone being an instance is fucking terrible, I don't know how such a basic thing is fucked up so consistently. One of the best parts about vanilla WoW is how huge the world is and there are no loads between zones. It is one huge seemless world, and if I have to go through one tiny chokepoint and a load zone every time I change areas it just rips me right out of the game.

>>377108990
Absolutely this, and it also applies to every single multiplayer games with pubbies.

>>377109139
maybe if you weren't playing on a microwave loading screens would be a literal nonissue

>>377108990
Private servers are niche enough that they aren't filled with normalfags. It's not quite at the level of what it used to be obviously, but it was closer than I expected.

>>377109210
"loading screens are ok if they go fast, even if there are hundreds of them"

Not him but this has to be the most retarded reply.

>>377099894
>tfw when no game will ever compite with UO.

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>mfw playing trial account of current installment and seeing my old toons

>>377108812
All of which they slapped silly as well. The only people that even found them hard in the first place were people who started playing games recently and had not touched anything remotely challenging or people getting walled by buggy fights like the capra.

>>377109432
You misspelled BoC or Ceaseless

>>377109304
but you still have minmaxing faggots which is a serious problem in the shitfest that was vanilla, class-design-wise

>>377108812
3 is significantly easier than the other souls games. I went back and played them after playing 3 and still had more of a challenge, despite playing those games to death.
I have no idea why From though it was a good idea to make rolls cost Bloodborne levels of stamina in a game with shields.

>>377109523
Minmax fags are good for a laugh though. Like the ones that require you to be full pre-raid best in slot just to do MC.

>>377100263

>playing my night elf hunter
>tfw taming an owl because wc3 sentinels
>end up finding the rare cat in the south of the zone which had better stats

FUCK take me back

>>377109391
get over your feels and sell your account while the game's shutdown after legion or the next expansion hasn't been announced yet

>>377109523
Most specs are viable in some way. The only classes that really get fucked are Paladins, Balance Druids for long fights and Enhance Shamans pre-Nightfall and also long fights.

>>377100263
How did WoW have such consistently amazing music?

>>377109753
not sure if you know this, wotlkbaby, but vanilla had debuff caps

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>>377109651
>playing wow for the first time as of last week
>night elf hunter
>tamed a level 5 owl which now is 25
>getting lost in it for hours every day escaping from my shit life
>litterally 2 hours ago life came breaking down my door
>only viable option seems to unplug everything and burn them along with me
i wish my parents werent the assholes they are and that they had let me play wow when i was 10

>>377109835
Yes, and I've raided vanilla with even Shadow Priests that did well. Debuff cap just requires a little coordination, although it does limit how much you can do in a raid.

>>377099483
who the fuck cares?
vanilla was shit compared to wow now and wow is probably still the best mmo out there

>>377109962
>vanilla was shit compared to wow now
No
>wow is probably still the best mmo out there
Yes, which is sad. Nothing has come close in over ten years despite everyone knowing how much money WoW makes and so many companies trying.

>>377109962

what did you ever mean by this

>tfw sense of adventure is gone
>dev team has been rotated like 4 times to the point the game's course is unrecognizable

>>377109738
>sell your account
to who? Who'd want a shitty account with only a couple thousand gold and 50 different heirlooms

>>377109501
When the devs openly admit they fucked it you know it was aids. The whole of Izalith was pretty garbage.

>>377109929
>raid
Raiding's main challenge in vanilla was finding 40 people, it didn't matter if they were geared or not since 10 geared, skilled people (possibly even less) could easily clear Molten Core.

Good luck finding a 5man group as a shadowpriest over the mage who can bring food and CC that doesn't kill him when it runs out instead, or a warlock that can summon people and CC, or a hunter that can kite.

>>377102530
I went through a very similar experience, where I started out on the Chinese server during TBC, and slowly dropped the game each expansion.
You actually had to play to play, but in reality it was a private server. An extremely popular (everyone played back then), very profitable server. Only the Chinese managed to out-jew Bizzard on such a massive scale for years.
Blizz eventually got wind of it, had them closed down, but ultimately re-opened the server under their control.

Making an account on the pre-blizz website was such a fucking mess, especially since I couldn't read Chinese back then, and most Chinese gamers barely spoke a few words of broken English.
Good times nonetheless, at least they didn't have meme-spewing morons spamming chats 24/7.

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>>377109962
>nu-/v/

i can and guess what
FUCK THAT GAME

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>There are people in this game who didn't main best race and class combo

>>377110182
Its like they put effort and thought in the game up until getting the lordvessel and after that they offed themselves and the janitor took over the studio to complete the game. Still its the best game judging by money spent/hour played ratio its like a AAA roguelike you can get for dirt cheap

>>377110193
His complaint was the debuff cap, which is never coming up in a five man.
MC is easy.
The second half of your post answers your first. Get a good guild. Also, SPriests are definitely not the worst when it comes to small group content because they can offheal if needed.

>>377099483
>you will never play wow in its glory years

This is what happens when you live in a place with fuck awful internet and no money at a young age.

>>377110028
and there's still a lot of people playing legion and loving it
>>377110065
the game is better now, if you don't like you don't have to play it
raids, zones, gameplay and dungeons was shit in vanilla with no mechanics at all
>>377110253
>no arguments
enjoying those rose tinted glasses?

>>377110408
>tfw still living there but now it has become worse
I DONT WANT TO BE A HOBO

>>377110335
haha XD

>>377108065
Yeah but there's no punishment for remaining willfully ignorant for a majority of them

If I'm playing LA Noire, I don't really lose anything by playing blind. I can fail a case and try again. I'm not in direct competition with anyone else. If I don't milk everything I can online in WoW, however, I put myself at an immediate and noticeable disadvantage. This is most obvious in pvp, but even pve has this problem. I can easily get locked out of content and progression that is geared towards power gaming faggots. There's literally nothing to be done but join them.

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>>377100263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fcU1b_1MBA

Even as a teenager when I played Vanilla and TBC I kind of thought the game was shitty and casual compared to other MMO's in the market.
Only reason I played it was because of my friends. WoW has always been shitty and casual and will always be.

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>>377111275

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>>377106481
Yeah dusk, I am a faggot.

It's quite interesting that when there is technology to connect more people, they are less connected. I remember doing quests and dungeons with people and making allies with them, and generally talking with others. There were moments when we just sat and one guy was cooking some ribs, another preparing elixirs, and we just talked about shit. When I came back to Draenor I was disappointed. Yeah there are crossrealm zones, yeah you can find group to anything but everybody seems to be in a hurry. You never know anyone, you are just your class name in a sea of class names. Back then we had realm community, I knew people and they knew me. If somebody ninjalooted people talked. It's all gone. Why should I play this game?

It's not even nostalgia. I quit WoW because there is no sense of community anymore. I can get even past different raid difficulties even though I hate it so much, but I can't get past the feeling of nothingness when I see other players.

>>377106501
Nice bait you stupid faget, shouldn't you be banned for being underage?

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>>377112197
>everybody seems to be in a hurry. You never know anyone, you are just your class name in a sea of class names
That was my experience when I came back in Draenor too. Seems like nobody has the time to chill anymore, but maybe it makes sense.

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>you'll never gank leveling nerds in Hellfire on your 49 twink ever again

>>377112556
you can gank people in their 60-70s with a level 10 right now thanks to the magic of versatility not downscaling until level 11

I will because I've never played WoW. Actually, I will never play it, because I'm not retarded.

>>377113116
You obviously are since you think playing a video game cherished by the majority of the people that has played it is retarded

>>377113116
edgy underage detected

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>There are people here that actually enjoyed WoW even in Vanilla
WoW has always been the most casual MMO that stripped away every piece of RPG aspect in an MMORPG.

>>377112556
Damn you just made me remember having a 49 twink cement shammy and just pwning 1v5 in ungoro, shit was cash

>>377112434
I guess the age of MMOs is over for us anon. Maybe I'll end up like one of my guildmates, a 40 something father with two kids enjoying amazing Burning Crusade casually on his weekends. He wasn't even raiding but I still kept him in our guild just because I liked the fellow. He sometimes asked me in mailbox ingame "are these good? I hope it helps you guys out" on some items he sent me for our guild bank (and most of them weren't). Fuck you anon, I miss the times now.

>>377113323
Name a true MMORPG and name differences between it and WoW back in the day

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wow rly maeks u tink

>>377113741
>Final fantasy XI
Actually having RPG elements and requires you to know the game, not just having a single spell on your hotbar and sometimes drinking and eating food.
>Everquest 2
Superior to WoW in nearly all regards, have RPG elements. I guess if you like more childish/cartoonish graphics WoW could be more appealing tho.
>Star wars galaxies
Best SCI-FI MMORPG back in the days
>City of heroes

And a few years later after WoW was released.
>Vanguard:Saga of heroes
Despite being at release buggy it had hundred times more of an adventure feelings and had so much more than combat to do.
>Warhammer Online
If you like PvP Warhammer Online was superior to WoW in that regard.


WoW is basically what Blizzard been doing to all games lately, taking something popular like, diablo(Hack and Slash), Overwatch(Arena"class" shooter) and dumb the games down so a 8year old can play them with ease.
WoW was an extremely dumbed down MMO at the time, which is why so many people enjoy it. Because they were actually little kids playing it back then. Even the community was shitty compared to all other MMO's back then, so many angry and whiny kids just griefing people.

>>377114438
But anon, I played Ragnarok Online and still found Burning Crusade pvp to be quite complex. I was one of the highest rated players on my realm and knew all the minmaxing and how the system worked back then. I don't think you really had the same experience with it to make such judgement about the entire game.

Vanilla indeed was for retards. Burning Crusade not so much. Maybe some fucking paladin back in the raid you brought up after progression was over, but the game wasn't so simple and the actual stats are a proof of this.

>>377114869
I PvP'd and raided back in TBC with my friends, only reason I played it was because of my friends.
And I can tell you that most of us and everyone we met was around our age, young teenagers or younger. I actually had pretty much no idea what I was doing when I was raiding, but could still pull my weight in raids, it was that easy.
And the PvP was one of the most unbalanced messed back then, it was not about min maxing or playing good. It was all about picking the right class.

And reminder this is compared to all the other games back then, WoW was no matter what so much easier and dumbed down than the other games.

>>377114389
>top pick doesn't even have any human priests that could be the priest in the middle pic
thingknig_blue_eredarman.png

>>377113508
soz

>>377099894
People say EQ was really hard. Can someone explain why Everquest was so intense?

>>377115468
I never played EQ but I did tank dungeons in vanilla wow, and from what I can tell it was more meticulous. Rotations were like, a heal takes 10 seconds to cast and you had to have all your healers queue their heals up to keep the tank up - wizards nuke and have to spam shit to get mana back but their dps suffers if they do it wrong... other classes buff, charm, mezmerize, feint death and shit

To be honest TBC heroics were easy looking back, even though I was 15 and stoned half the time at most you had to CC and have half a brain.

>>377115468
Because it was their first mmo
EQ was the most casual game on the market back then, for example in the ultima you could easily get robbed if you wasn't careful
In SWG you could fucking kick people from your house, and despite that I still got fucked by other people more than once
The only way to get fucked by other people in the EQ was train of mobs, and even that was bannable because EQ always was mmo for the carebears

>>377115468
https://youtu.be/jqhvTlR1WSc

this video sums it up nicely

>>377112197
>>377113508

Yeah it is over. You could get a glimpse of it on private servers but on a whole nothing so popular will feel make such communities again, it'll change to avoid dying or become too popular and have too many people filtering in and out.
I've bought every expansion since I quit at the end of TBC and it never ever felt one tiny bit like it again, the mechanics do not encourage forming a community even one bit.

Playing an mmo is now the same as living life basically, you can walk past hundreds of people on the street and never know them.
Btw I where are you from? I've only known one people to use to term 'cement' like that

>>377115203
That's the paladin you mong

>>377115150
Each class had a viable pvp spec, what are you talking about. It was balanced really well but you wouldn't know if you were raped in 2v2 by arms warr/resto druid (a sign of an issue between a monitor and keyboard).

Actual inbalance came in the form of pve where huntards with 2:1 macro or warlocks pushed insane numbers by spamming one button while spriests worked only as manabattery and to debuff for warlocks. You were pulling your weight most likely just because somebody told you where to stand and what to do and were playing a retarded spec. Fights like Vashj weren't ever progressed with retards and if you are telling me otherwise you just outgeared the content by a large margin.

>>377115917
Slovakia. It was probably some czech guy, they used to call them like that too.

>>377099483
First comfy spot i made for myself was in the snowy lower-mid east trees and hills of Dun morogh. Sitting under a snowy pine and eating in quiet corner grove well questing in Dun felt something.

Guess what was removed and blocked off in the cata exp? My old good memories died with the spot.

>>377116495
Dun Morogh was largely left untouched. Where are you talking about?

>>377115976
really? fuck, that's a really shitty looking plate set

Joke's on you. I never played WoW or any Other MMO before.

>>377115601
>To be honest TBC heroics were easy looking back, even though I was 15 and stoned half the time at most you had to CC and have half a brain.
Well, it kinda depends. For starters, it's worth noting that many of them were nerfed to the ground in 2.1.0 and even in patches that proceeded it and the versions most people got to do were far easier. And likewise, many of the groups bruteforced Shattered Halls with triple CC or Arcatratz with double healer and having researched their pre-nerf state as of late, you even find anecdotes of people literally crafting arcane resistance gear to tank mobs like Tempest-Forge Patrollers in Botanica which from modern perspective seems absolutely bizarre. Some of the mobs (like Bonechewer Raveners in Ramparts) can global pre-heroic geared tank if not appropriately controlled, Harbinger Skyriss can bring healer from full to zero during Mind Rend stun if you don't have an offhealer with quick reactions, you're pretty much dead if you don't immediately move away from Hydromancer Thespia lightning clouds and virtually any mispull will wipe a pre-heroic geared party.

Obviously, in the end they demonstrably WERE doable by players of the day who were shit and clueless by today's standards, but at some point you gotta ask at which point does something qualify as "hard" when many groups back in the day went to extreme lengths to beat the tougher heroics and a typical player never beat them until they were nerfed to the ground (and having overgeared them from nerfed Kara to boot). And if the closest to authentic reproductions available of pre-nerf TBC heroics in Corecraft test server are anything to go by, even modern players, while they don't need stacked party comps or raid geared tanks or anything of the sort, must stay vigilant instead of half-assing things.

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>>377118282
>Haha, jokes's one you. I never participated in something everyone loved and still cherishes its experience. Ha, I can't do it anymore either, you losers! I'm so much better than you idiots because I missed out on this, it makes me laugh.

>>377099483
That's sad really.

I really went into WoW and everything was fine up to including Wrath of The Lich King.

THEN CATACLYSM HAPPENED...and MoP. And WoD.

And now Legion. Even Demon Hunters didn't win me over.

>>377119149
>was fine up to including Wrath of The Lich King.
My sides
People can complain about vanilla casualizing genre, but "bring people and not classes" bullshit is the second worst thing that happened with genre, first was eq inventing theme parks

>>377116393

Hungary here, I thought it was only our thing since cement is an actual word here, either way we would've played on the same servers

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>>377120684
Pic related?

>>377108930
objectively shit taste lad

should I resub?

>>377109139
i also think that the genre has become stagnant. The technology has gotten better since vanilla but nothing super innovative has come from it. I know Blizzard has way too big of an ego but if they were to make an MMO away from WoW i wouldn't be able to contain the hype

>>377109834

blizzard always crushes the music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcghLSIpZlM

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>>377106064
>some random overleveled guy asks me if I want to do Wailing Caverns
>mfw the gold counter says 1 for the first time

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>>377105818
Plugging a drain when levels are near rock bottom stops a freefall, but it doesn't fix the affects of it.

Celebrating this is like celebrating the Titantic sinking "less bad" than it could have.

>>377112951

bullshit

>you will never again spend all your money on beastslaying on your shitty weapon you would replace in 2 levels anyway

>>377122935
>you will never again trick noobs into buying beastslaying at lvl 15 for their white quest reward weapon

>>377108387
Less is more.

>>377121760

Indeed

>>377125713

btw I found it a pretty stupid term, considering how it has little bearing on what enhancement shamans did, and the fact that you don't sound out the 'cement' part of enhancement when saying it in english the same way as we say cement

>>377123668

>some random troll mage will never mentor you in the game while giving your shit gear +2 stam enchants all over and puts beastslaying on your weapon making you feel like a badass, while being unable to show your gratitude
>you will never have that moment of realization months later when you finally understood he was just leveling enchanting again

Any Good WOTLK Private Servers to play?
Also i don't have the time to play Vanilla nor TBC