>10 million dollars to make this

Are there any '2.5D' games that don't look like garbage?

>>377087424

Trine series is pretty good looking.

>>377087424
Strider looks okay

the jump looks stupid as fuck

>no boob physics
DROPPED

>>377087373
>this webm again
Literally the only bad looking thing they've shown. Well that and the demo boss. Everything else looks great though.

>>377088376
post the good stuff

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JUST MAKE SPRITES

JUST USE SPRITES WE ALL LIKE THEM AND THEY LOOK GOOD HOLY FUCK STOP USING 3D MODELS FOR THIS

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>377088574
>wanting another pixelshit indie platformer metroidvania steam greenlight shitfest
begone jew

>>377088627
>not wanting another symphony of the night but with better quality sprites
begone shiteater

>>377087424
Guilty Gear Xrd

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>>377087373
it looks like some bad 3d mugen shit

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>>377088627
>wanting another pixelshit indie platformer metroidvania

I'm okay with this

>>377087424

Tomba and Klonoa

>>377087424
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze

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>>377089270
+1

What about hand drawn 2d? I thought salt & sanctuary looked good?

>>377089820
it really doesn't, the character art and animation are both shit

>>377089820

I'm all for it if they can manage to make it not look like it was animated in flash

>>377087373
At this point I've come to accept that if you need to resort to asking fans to give you money because your game isn't hitting with publishers, it's not worth making in the first place.

>>377089594
How are the H scenes?
Do you have to use both hands?
Do you have to lose to get to the scenes?

>>377087424
viewtiful joe

>>377089594
I really don't know why he wanted to make a la-mulana clone for a porn game when it will just be mediocre compared to LM

>>377090375
because kemoshotas make everything better.

>>377090481
The kemoshota in this case just makes the actual gameplay unbearable

>busy in life
>haven't been on /v/ in a while
>have a tough time sleeping
>lets check out how /v/'s doing
>this shitty ass topic where the guys shitting on the game talk the same shit, then the defenders BTFO them the same exact way, and the cycle continues

I swear there has to be some sort of a weird inverse shilling going on with games like this where it's practically the exact same topic or post type that's repeatedly here. Seriously whether it's a Castlevania thread, or just one that's dedicated to this; it's always the same.

>>377090375
it plays more like the game that inspired la-mulana than it does la-mulana

>>377087424
Shadow Complex looks fine, albeit a little low-budget for today's standards. I think it might even be free?

>>377087424
Manhattan Project

>>377090481
>westshit
>kemo

>>377090580

Point to me a single post which "btfo" of any criticisms of this.

Bloodstained is looking more like a cult.

>>377087424

kirby 64

awful animations

I like how /v/ is constantly trying to make Bloodstained look like shit but the worst things they can pull off are things that look okay but are missing polish.

>>377087373
>Fans give you 10 million for game
>put in minimal effort- maybe $100,000 tops
>pocket the other 9.9 million

dont even try and say that you wouldnt do the same

>>377090786
Disgruntled MN9 backers and the typical underage westaboos/redditors won't quit

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>>377090295
My nigga

>>377089820
It looks like shit, but the game itself is p. good.
Enjoyed enough for 2 playthroughs.

>>377090170
You have to beat a boss to get a scene

>>377089820
Salt and Sanctuary is as hideous as Hollow Knight is beautiful.

>>377090295
This is such a good answer, I didn't even realize it counted as a 2.5D game.

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Oh boy, another Bloodborne ripoff.

>>377088627
sprites=/= pixelshit
There are plenty of gorgeous high quality sprite based games out there.
child of Light for one. Sure not Indie, but it was a low budget game.

>>377090571
do not bully the anubis.

>>377090634
>muh pixiv or bust

>>377090786
Yeah, I really don't understand why people hate this webm so much. The animations are clearly unfinished, not enough transitional states handled, but the environment looks fine except maybe that the roofs are a bit too lit up. Still I'd rather them look a bit off and have clarity rather than things look muddled.

>>377091550
I know you're fucking around, but christ I'm sick of everyone obsessing over Souls. It's a generic ARPG series with above average art design. There is literally nothing remarkable about it beyond its sales figures.

>>377091630
>game uses pixellated sprites
>LAZY DEVS, WORTHLESS RETRO GARBAGE

>game uses vector art (don't think you would call them sprites but I'm not sure what else you would call them)
>LAZY DEVS, WORTHLESS FLASH GAME LOOKING GARBAGE

>game uses super high detail sprites
>goes out of business because it costs way too much to be sustainable

>>377087373
What triggered you today, child?

>>377090803
You very obviously have no idea what are you talking about

>>377087373
>few hundred bucks to make this
>the rest when straight into the devs pocket.

>>377087373
>promise to make 2.5D Castlevania
>show footage of a 2.5D Castlevania

What's wrong exactly?

>>377087424
Paper Mario and Parappa The Rapper.

>>377091940
?

>>377090295
My fucking man. Viewtiful Joe is so underatted for it's time. There definitely needs to be an HD remake of that game along with Okami.

>>377087424

dust: an elysian tail
this war of mine

>>377092225
>Viewtiful Joe is so underatted for it's time
It was universally loved and was the best selling game Clover ever made. In what world could that be considered underrated? I'd love a port of all of Clover's games to modern consoles/PC though. Sucks Capcom seems to always ignore them except for Okami.

>>377090295
looks like shit

>>377087424
Plenty, Bloodstained will be one of them.
Seriously, its far from looking like garbage, the only thing they really need to fix in that webm are the awnings so that Miriam doesn't look so awkward on them.

>>377092407
Yeah, I highly doubt that they would start polishing single areas of the game when they probably haven't even finished most sceneries.

>>377087424
Oddworld New n Tasty

>>377092384
no

>>377087424
I'd be hard pressed to name any.

>>377092172

>promise to make good game
>show footage of a bad game

>>377087373
sotn was 2.5d

>>377092990
Fallout 4?

>>377088574
Sprites require talent.

>animation just "resets" instead of fluidly transitioning from one to another

How the fuck did ya'll shill this shit?

>>377087373
Wow man if you have 10 million dollars anything you make will instantly look good without any work right?

>>377087373
I don't understand why this is even happening the way it is at all. Bloodstained and MN9 were both co-developed by Inti Creates. Inti Creates have a long history of making great looking 2D games, and in particular, the Mega Man Zero series. So why the fuck are they forcing Inti Creates to make these games in 3D, when they have no experience or talent with it? There's no way the MM Zero games had the kind of budget these do. Hell, most Mega Man games were shat out by Capcom in less than half a year from planning to shipping.

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What's going to be his cameo role?

>>377087424
ori and the blind forest

>>377093210
>game that can reuse assets like a motherfucker, make use of professional QA, and target a single platform is cheaper and quicker to make than and indie game that needs completely original assets that needs to run on any number of hardware setups
What a fucking shock.

It reminds me a lot of the Rondo of Blood remake that was on PSP, which isn't a bad thing.

I didn't back it, but I liked how the demo played, and as long as they keep it close to how Castlevania was then I don't care.

>>377093291
The shovel knight cameos need to end. They're terrible. That said, he might be fun as a gravedigger or a secret enemy.

>>377093432
man the rondo remake was such a letdown

the PCE version was so much better

>>377093501
Not being as good as a masterpiece is hardly some damning flaw. I liked it and wasn't it the first official release of Rondo in english anyway?

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>>377092880
No. Bigger does not mean better.

>>377087373
Got em' :')

>>377093617
Jesus Christ, what a great example of when to turn up your fucking fog distance. Every studio seems to love having everything look desaturated at like 100m these days.

>>377093617
Just because it doesn't look as good as the original doesn't mean it looks bad.

>>377093403
That would be a valid argument if not for the games regularly throwing out the old assets, such as when starting the new sub-series like X and Zero, or X's shift to PSX.
Hell, Zero tried to reuse Zero's PSX sprite for Omega in 3, but they had to scrap that idea because it was too detailed for the GBA.

You're also only partly explaining the budget and speed, not why it was decided to have Inti Creates do 3D games in the first place.

>>377088627
That's funny because it's the kickstarted 3D indie platformers that are the most guilty of jewery.

>>377092000
or do i?

>>377093291
He's going to be a strong regular enemy somewhere in the castle.

>>377093818
You don't. This is not a 100000$ game.

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>>377087373
how do people still fall for such a obvious scam, they even defend it after?

>>377093758
I can't pretend to know why Inti creates was their choice but the demo played well and most of the art assets look good so far. If Inti Creates ends up doing a good job, they'll have been the right choice.

I wouldn't have had a problem with sprites but you know as well as I do that there would be just as many threads shitting on it and they would be just as idiotic as this one.

>>377087424
god damn, you got blown out, son.

also, Mischief Makers.

>>377087424
nothing with detailed/realistic textures. 2.5D only works for specific artstyles, this is not one of them.

>>377093886
your right

more like $10,000 game, ive seen more intuitive gameplay and story from dwarf fortress made by one guy

>>377093953
how do people still frogpost?

>>377093990
>I wouldn't have had a problem with sprites but you know as well as I do that there would be just as many threads shitting on it and they would be just as idiotic as this one.
I can't imagine why that would be. You don't see any threads shitting on Shantae for its visuals.

>>377094025
I miss Treasure

>>377094053
Considering Toady gets about 3000$ in donations each month, and worked for 10 years, DF is actually about 300,000$ game.

>>377093501

That's why it shouldn't have been a remake. It should have been Dracula XXX: featuring Maria and Alucard's child, and aged versions of Maria and Richter. A final game to end the mini-series.

>>377087424
2.5D can be good when it takes advantage of its 3D aspects such as using the camera to showcase the character and environments however when it tries to be a normal sidescrolling 2D game but with sprites replaced by unpolished 3D objects it suffers.
Usually in 2D sprite based games like SOTN a lot of care went into making the environments, characters and animations look realistic to an extent where the only thing the graphics suffer from are the systems limitations. The artists of SOTN clearly worked hard on the game and the nuanced graphics compliment the game greatly.
Bloodstained on the other hand is looking like a key example of using 3D to make the workflow easier, not as much care looks to have gone into making the environments look realistic because it's not trying to look or be anything more than 'acceptable'.

what are you on about, the entrance, the ship and all the screenshots look beautiful

>>377094162
donations

patreon you pretty much are saying "im makin this game, pay me or i wont make it, even if you do i might shit on you still"

like Star Citizen

>>377094159
we all do, anon. we all do.

>>377094259
whatever
he publishes the amount of money he receives, you may calculate the total amount yourself

>>377094073
>you don't see people shitting on the visuals of a game that spent its entire budget on visuals and ended up with a severely limited scope as a result
Broken Age looked fine but people have spent years shitting on it for any trivial reason they can come up with merely because it had a big budget. Bloodstained was always going to end up with the same "3.3" shitpost threads no matter how good or bad it looked.

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>>377094367
>Broken Age looked fine

>>377094367
>Broken Age looked fine.

Anon, the entire second half was recycled shit from the first half because they fucked up their budget and barely managed to scrape up enough to finish the damn game. On top of that, the visuals themselves were not all that great to begin with.

Broken Age was called a disaster for a reason.

>>377087373
They should put rain and other strong weather effects outside. Like this it looks like shit.

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>small team of random fucking aussies
>have never made a game before
>kickstarter budget literally 0.7% of bloodstained's
>able to create a long metroidvania with handdrawn everything
>make the game in less than 3 years

honestly no excuse for those japs not being able to do the same. Embarrassing.

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>>377094429
>lol absolutely hideous amirite
>the fact the game was mediocre at best means that theres absolutely nothing praiseworthy in all those hand-painted backgrounds

>>377087424
Fucking New Super Mario Bros.

>>377094563
It was called a disaster because people expected it to be amazing and ended up with mediocrity. It is by no means abysmal and the backgrounds generally look great even if the character art can be offputting.

>>377094612
The noses honestly ruin the character art for me. The backgrounds look good though.

>>377087424
Prinny.

>>377091910
>don't think you would call them sprites but I'm not sure what else you would call them
Those are sprites, but the animation method is called modular animation (or tweening). That's the only difference.

>>377094827
Yeah the character art was really weird. I didn't mind it but I can see why a lot of people found it unpleasant.

>>377087424
Strider from PS1 did 10x better with smaller budget.

>>377094931
>That's the only difference
Well no, vector art scales with resolution, raster art can't.

>>377094607
You forgot
>Only for one platform
',:^)

>>377094607

Japs are bad at handling money. I mean, how the fuck do you explain MN9, MGSV and FFXV? There's a reason why Japanese studios are barely afloat.

>>377095058
as long as it's on the only one that matters then it doesnt matter

>>377091910

>game uses pixellated sprites
>It's because the developer wanted to ride the pixelshit bandwagon and the sprites are so awful they wouldn't even be considered good on a GBA game

>game uses vector art
>devs use motion tweening up the ass, every game looks like some shitty flash game

>game uses super high detail sprites
>good.

>>377095151
>MN9
put the cart before the horse, too many grand plans for the new IP, too little focus on the game itself
>MGSV
Spent years developing an in house engine which would pay for itself over time with later games developed on it, no need to pay licensing fees and they would have complete control over the inner workings of their games, never gonna happen now obviously
>FFXV
FFVsXIII kept having team members taken away to work on other projects resulting in it being permanently on the backburner for 8 years or so until they decided to salvage what they could from it as FFXV.

>>377095058
Soon to be two

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>>377088376
>2 hours ago No.377088376
>Literally the only bad looking thing they've shown. Well that and the demo boss. Everything else looks great though.

>>377088481
>2 hours ago No.377088481
>post the good stuff


>2 hrs ago

KEK
E
K

There is no "good" stuff, it all looks like shit.

>shitty PS1 game from 1997 still looks miles better

LIKE A FAN ON ANIME PROM NIGHT

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>>377094607
>french no name studio puts out their game half finished with plans to complete it over the year
>description contains enough buzzwords to send the average /v/irgin into anaphylactic shock
>it's far more promising in its current state than what Bloodstained will be as a completed game

really activated my almonds

>>377095809
WE DID IT BROS
IT'S TORTANIC ALL OVER AGAIN

>>377087424
Little Big Planet

>>377095813
>procedurally generated level design
>permadeath
Trash.

>>377087373
It really looks like absolute garbage.

>>377096012
>focused on buzzwords
>focused on buzzwords
thanks for proving my point

poor art, poor lighting, mediocre animation, lack of effects

I hope its alpha

>>377090580
this is how shilling looks legit - shitposters and defenders because marketers only need to catch your attention with the product. This whole board is a giant cesspit of shills.

>>377090375
Maze of Galious has a few clones. It was quite popular in Japan. LaMulana is just the most successful and the one with the most effort by far.

>>377096654
Don't they also need you to buy it?

>>377094709
Ok this one is wrong though

>>377087424
INSIDE

>>377097148
you don't have to shout it

>>377096440
>UGH how dare those /v/irgins not like the bad parts of my game

>>377097421
>missing the point this hard

>>377093617
To be fair the original is a goddamn work of art.

>>377087373
At least it's a game.

Scam Citizen got 150 million and there's still no game.

>>377097874
>At least it's a game.

???

All i saw is terrible "le-alpha-demo" and some shitty screenshots

where is the game?

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>>377087373
Castlevania was never meant to leave 2d.

>>377098008

2D -> 3D is a genre change, and 2.5D is invariably dull and lifeless compared to good 2D.

Unfortunately, the allure of less work was just too attractive for devs, though.

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>>377098202
>and 2.5D is invariably dull and lifeless compared to good 2D.
Nigger please

>>377098202
2d games have the technology nowadays to do all sorts of cool shit like armor breaking with fluent and pretty animations and an immersive atmosphere.
Sadly, the only games that seem to have realised that are some indie or hentai platformers

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>>377098459
>Sadly, the only games that seem to have realised that are some indie

Casual cattle that is current generation was raised on 3d games so they see 2d as some kind of ascii vector graphic from 80s

https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/863470569769103360

>>377093291
>What's going to be his cameo role?
As per Castlevania tradition it will be a Shovel Knight mode.

>>377095151
Some how people still thing graphics work like there's some sort of super awesome graphics making machine that runs on money. Put more money into it and you get more graphics.

All money that's not used for any sort of advertisement is primarily spent on paying people to make shit. The costs of any sort of work stations or licenses are going to be pittance. Singular costs compared to ongoing costs to pay the dev team. Budgets balloon because teams and their time are mismanaged. Throwing work out continuously, leaving teams to spin their wheels without a clear goal to direct them. Typical sort of work problems.

When there is a clear goal from beginning to end, checkpoints and concepts easily understood and reachable by everyone on the team, no constant revisions of the game's systems, then a project can proceed smoothly in terms of both a quick schedule and smaller budget.

All three of those games suffered from a confused outline, constant revisions, auteur directors known for causing problems with management of a team, and/or goals well beyond the means they had on hand. FFXV notably had a very public mess up in terms of having it put on hold so the company could right its flagging products and then complete revisions and changes in directors.

>>377087373
>Playing a shitty Bloodborne ripoff, but worse.

>>377098319
Green and bloom is not a substitute for good aesthetic design. I'll never understand people who praise this game's shitty art style.

>>377096787
Controversy + gaming journalism bought reviews - what more do you want for marketing?

>>377089594
hate to be the one to ask, but what's the game name?

>>377100416
Anubis and the Buried Bone

>>377098586
Screenshots make that game look like a cheap Flash game for mobile.

>>377093060
And 3d doesn't? Good joke.

>>377087373
I had hope, I don't know why but I did.

>>377087373
I'm only worried because Igarashi has had to bring TWO other development teams on board to help Inti-Creates out.

Oh and because of the delays.

Oh and because IGA has only ever been a Producer/Scenario Writer on the series. He's never directed any Castlevania team or worked on game design. He was just a general overseer. He was the Assistant Director for Symphony, but he wasn't the actual Director. In fact, his position in the Castlevania series is exactly the same as Inafune's for Megaman. He's not the Kojima of Castlevania. he was only ever the guy who received a build of each game from time to time and offered feedback.

The actual team that worked on the MetroidVania games aren't working on Bloodstained. So i'm certainly keeping my expectations in check. A Producer is never something to get excited about, as Mighty Number 9 (also an Inti-Creates game) showed us.

>>377093291
>Playable character
>Axe Armor+Spear Knight
>Boss Fight

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>>377093291
why does every game that can't get funded rely on putting shovel knight in to shill2win?

>>377101404
kek

>>377094612
background art was great, but the character art was a fucking abomination.
the spined/tweened animation was weird but w/e
part 2 looked extremely unpolished and rushed, but everyone knows that by now

>>377100556
>game has pixel art
LUL INDIE RETRO PIXELSHIT
>game has hand drawn art
CHEAP FLASH MOBILE GAME SHIT

>>377100908
>Assistant Director, Producer and the Scenario Writer
>same as Inafune
You are contradicting yourself.

>>377093291
I am guessing he'd be a unique variant on the Axe Armor and all the other Armors hopefully.

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>>377087373
Is this the next installment of parasite in the city? Asking for a friend.

>>377087424
Red Alert 2

>>377101959
Assistant Director for one game that he fully admits was Hagihara's creation.

Inafune worked on Character Design, Planning, Object Design, Advisor, Writer, Game Concept, Graphic Design, Project Lead and even Director throughout his time. So yes, Inafune and Igarashi largely shared the same level of responsibility. Their primary contributions to their respective series were as Producers (which is why their games are wildly inconsistent, for as good as Ecclesia and Aria were, Judgment and Curse of Darkness were shit.) A Producer is only ever as good as him team, anon.

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>>377087373
BUY MY GAME

>>377093617
Damn, makes me want to play the original Oddworld games again.

Honestly, I'm not even a big fan of Hollow Knight (Couldn't be bothered finishing it), but you look at it and you compare it with this shit that got 100 times the funding, and it's fucking embarrassing how much better that looks.
This shit looks like garbage.

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>>377102917
Yeah, pretty big shock that a finished game would look better than a game that's barely in alpha.

>>377103550
This is such a shit excuse. The game is not magically gonna turn pretty when it gets to 1.0
It has looked like shit all the way through, and this will continue to be the case

>>377103598
not even the guy you're arguing with, but
"things can't improve if people continue to work on them" is like....
...what?

>>377103705
They can improve, but graphics don't improve to a drastic level. That footage is not gonna get significantly more beautiful. It never does. The game is only one year away from being released.

>>377087424
kirby 64

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>>377091747
I only found out about the soul series when I was a teenager, but the amount of detail present in the game stuck out to me even then. Item descriptions, weapon mechanics, and even npc interactions all had more depth than anything I had experienced before that. The game is pretty surface-level, but it set a standard for a lot of people.

>>377100656
>3d doe
rather, anon should have said
>sprites require work
you can't just google "concrete texture" and slap it on a wall. you have to hand draw it, carefully pick each color, then do the shading. one pixel off can ruin it. if the bgs are animated, it get even harder.
you have to animate every single frame of every single sprite. it takes work and seriously good artists.
as opposed to 3d, "just model something, tell the computer where the hands should move, interpolate inbetween movement automatically".

2.5d is a plague

>>377098319
This looks like one of those fake videogames that you see on tv shows.

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>>377106379

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>>377106379

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>>377087373
>15m

>>377087424
a lot of people replied to this with ugly games

>>377087424
Rayman Legends

>>377087373
>backing kickstarters fueled purely by nostalgiabait
How can people not expect this shit to fail?

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>8 years development of this

Looks nice except for lack of shadows on the roof tiles

>>377106379
>not liking trine

get a load of this fag

And the pathetic weeb fags will love it because its japshit

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Finally, a good looking game.

>>377089820
It really looks uninspired and ugly as fuck but the game is fun.

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>>377087373
Meanwhile...
In a AAA game...

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>>377087373
looks like rwby

>>377109794
>people will defend this

>>377109794
so what is wrong?maybe you should go back to plebbit kek

>>377109794
You DO know that Automata's budget was a beer and a high five from Saito, right?

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>>377109794
>AAA game
Not even. Stay jelly.

>>377109841
Why did they keep the rooftop like that if they knew they couldn't animate running across it properly?!

>>377109794
>AAA

I'm going to make a pretentious "retro" pixel walking simulator and you can't stop me

>>377087424
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria

>>377110894
Good luck Anon!

>>377087373
No amount of money will make an incompetent person competent.

>>377110602
>>377110613
>>377110864
>game made by Platinum and Square-Enix
>not AAA