Fuck Ethereals.

Fuck Cyberdisks.

Fuck the only 2 tiers of weapons to research.

>>377071882
Cyberdiscs are fine as long as you take them down from a distance.

>>377072063
With my luck those fuckers are more likely to come out of an alley out of nowhere right in front of my rookie with the suckiest accuracy

Shitter here. Should I play xenonauts or open xcom?

>>377072506
It was the rookie's fate to be next up for the meatgrinder.

>>377072635
OpenXcom.

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>hidden movement
>barn and spaceship doors opening and closing

>>377071635
>not lobstermen

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>>377073261
>hidden movement
>quickly shows a grenade trying to be thrown out of a window
>grenade goes nowhere
>boom
>ooow
>ooow

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>>377073261
>Blast a wall
>Enemy standing RIGHT THERE
>Not enough Time Units

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>get to the point where I can finally take down large ships
>everyone on the council leaves and I get a game over
Well excuse me for not wanting to take down every single very small UFO that comes by

>>377074076
That's what you get for being a bitch ass nigga. Slap some double avalanches on your interceptors and let ufos crash in the ocean.

>>377073409
>Rookie just panics from just priming a grenade.
>drops it on floor
>'Not enough time units'

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>>377072635
>should I play the game or it's shitty spiritual successor?

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id rather fuck vipers personally

>>377074270
>>Rookie just panics from just priming a grenade.
That's actually possible?

>>377073497
Is it alright to start with My Conquest Is the Sea of Stars and then go to the third episode of the TV show? Or is the first two episodes still required?

>>377074552
it trigger reactionary fire from aliens yeah its possible.

>>377074881
Sea Of Stars -> Overture to a New War -> then you can start with episode 4 or so. Overture is just the first three episodes redone into a movie.

>>377075019
Aight, gonna prepare some food and jump right into it

>>377071941
get XPiratez mod

>>377071635
They'd be better if they weren't sporting aimbot level aim on top of being strong psi. Definitely the worst alien to fight.

What's everyone's go-to research priority for OG XCOM? I usually rush laser weapons, not sure if that's the smartest move since skipping armor means everyone dies in one hit

>>377075418
Armor seldom seems to work for me. Laser and plasma weapons research are a safer bet. Get them before they can get you.

>>377075418
They die in one hit regardless of whether or not they wear armor, Lasers is definitely a better choice

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>>377071635
This will be your squad for today's mission, anon.

>>377075418
I almost never use laser, i usually don't take long to find some plasma laying around so i stick with them

>>377075418
I always rush lasers. It doesn't matter if your dudes die in one hit if the aliens die in one hit as well, you have more men and explosives than them.

>>377075649
Laser is good for rookies with low TUs. They can usually get more than one shot off.

>>377075601
bara

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>When an alien grenade gets tossed inside your ship.

>There are people in this thread who think they've played XCom when they've never played the final mod pack.

>>377074076
This has been a problem with every iteration of the series. Eventually you can only get what you want from large craft yet the game expects you to keep chewing through small craft which can take ten minutes each if an alien decides to hide in a corner.

>>377076071
Does the ship get blown up?

>>377076085
A lot of things on the final mod pack irks me alot, like that drones that shoots like fucking 15 times, if it's shooting across a map that shit can take a minute
Or those missions that's just on a road with some smallfish that dies in one hit or less
I do like some stuff in it like the sniper rifle or that one mission against a fort, but overall i prefer vanilla

>>377076241
I only just started going after Commanders and its a bitch to take them alive, especially when enemies keep shooting those damn missiles.

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>>377073497
>not blasting it through the wall and everything else inbetween

>>377072063
The problem isn't the deathsplosion, it's the fucking barrage of plasma they fire off every turn. I pray the first terror mission is floaters because of these fucking discs.

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>Fuck Ethereals.
Don't deploy in the dark.
>Fuck Cyberdisks.
Pack missile launchers and HE rounds for canons
>rookie's fate
Where is your tank? Tank's are your rookie's best friend until you get real tech or they learn to point the gun the right way.

I haven't touched this game in decades, why do I even remember this?

Just turn on line of sight for psy, it's really stupid otherwise.
Or just power through it, you pussy.

>>377072635
xenonauts is so bad

>>377077976
>>Don't deploy in the dark.

They still fuck you even in the daytime.

>>377078468
Yeah, but your rookies won't be wandering around blind, in a cornfield while that asshole takes potshots from 6 squares off.

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>>377077976
>take tank on mission
>it soaks up 10 plasma shots without a scratch
>take tank on second mission
>it gets shot once and dies on the first step out of the Skyranger

>>377079003
I don't remember of tanks have "heal" like soldiers. Tanks are weak to explosives, just like cyberdisks.

There is also a tech level factor. Once aliens start fielding mid level tech en masse, starter tanks no longer cut it. By then you should have some decent squads with real armor to field. Don't remember if plasma tanks are worth the cost.

>>377079354
>>377079003
Tanks are better for base defenses.

>>377072635
Xenonauts tries to be Xcom, but it gets shitty towards the end when nothing but hugeass ufos full of elite aliens show up. The game at that point changes from fun to a fucking chore.

>>377079003
that 0-200% damage spread baby

>>377079641
I prefer the 50-150% damage of TFTD that can also be used in UFO in OpenXcom.

OpenApoc when

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>>377079641
>>377079723
I kinda like the idea of 0-200%, sometimes this kind of luck is what makes true heroes worth of wearing the Ribbon insignia

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Am I fucked in the head for liking Apocalypse more than TFTD and UFO defense?
I never get bored playing apocalypse, the atmosphere of the game feels more oppressive and bleak, the faction and city management is fun if disappointing compared to what it could have been, and I like the ayy lmao design aesthetics more than the other two games.
Also the battle music is hype as fuck
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WAfGGRQi-6k

>>377079864
>Apoc
Probably one of the weakest of the original series. Kind of wonder what the Gollop bros were trying to do with it. The game did have a troubled development cycle.

>>377079950
Nah, I like Apocalypse the most too. The tactical combat is different to the first two games and I like it better on top of preferring the Cityscape to the Geoscape.

>>377079354
>I don't remember of tanks have "heal" like soldiers
They don't need to heal. I was trying to highlight the fact that, with the starting tanks at least, it is complete RNG if it dies in one shot or in ten shots. If you have one on your Skyranger, there will always come that one mission where it dies instantly and you just wasted 4 slots and 500k.

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>first serious game of ufo defense
>going into september
>need a month to build an avenger so i can shoot ayys on mars
>ayys are infiltrating the us AND the uk
>still using interceptors with plasma cannons
>can't even take down a battleship
>snakemen, mutons and ethereals all looking for my base
>bases can barely even fend off battleships

what do??

>>377076259

Your ship is invincible, everyone inside is not

>>377080072
That is just the nature of the game. RNG produces a high risk environment that will simultaneously frustrate and produce absolute hilarity.

>>377079864
>>377079950
>>377080031
>>377080034
I'm still interested in playing Apocalypse once I finish UFO. Not sure if I'll go through with TFTD.

>>377080241
You'll forever be a casual if you don't run through TFTD on commander or higher

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>>377080241
It's great. It does have some issues, but I think people heavily exaggerate the issues. It also is pretty different in pretty much every way except the general structure of the game.

You can also play in real time which is pretty cool actually.

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>>377079880
Had a motherfucker survive four shots to the back in one turn.

He had PA and ended up with 5 health, but god damn he took it like a champ.

>>377080478
*Genius
I've been playing too much XCOM instead of X-COM

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>>377080591
Reminds me that I just recently lost my very first commander who came from my very first batch of rookies who had survived countless battles before, only to succumb to a fatal wound before I could find the last enemy in an alien base.

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>>377081129

>>377080478
Is TFTD worth it? From everything I've heard, its basically a reskinned UFO Defense with hard mode as default. I keep hearing how flawed and incomplete Apocalypse is, but I get the impression it at least tries to go in a different direction and change things up.

Anyone see that new game Julian Golop is working on?

Also, am I the only person here that played Rebelstar Tactics? Shit was like X-Com for GBA.

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>>377083759
Kind of wary about Phoenix Point, though yeah, kind of interested. There's also Battletech, which is a turn based strategy game with giant robots. It's apparently an entry in a series but I've never played the ones before it.

>>377083759
Phoenix Point? Still have high hopes on that, though I kinda feel it would be more like the UFO series (Aftermath/shock/light).

>>377081656
While the gameplay is roughly the same, the atmosphere is extremely different and I would argue better than UFO. With openxcom, a lot of the flaws are gone and the only real problem you might have is multi level terror missions. atmospheric wise, it got the deep sea terror feel perfectly with deploying your men on the deep dark sea bed, surrounded by tentaculats and lobstermen who will fuck you silly.

>>377079574

I just started playing Xenonauts despite it being in my list and so far my main gripe is that the starter interceptors have fuck all for range like they did in classic X-Com

>>377083984
Battletech is basically Mechwarriors right? Or is it Macross? Or am I mistaken entirely?

>>377084415
Yeah, Battletech and Mechwarrior are the same series and this new game has the original creator along with the people who made the newest Shadowrun games.

Also looking on the Wikipedia page there's apparently a fifth Mechwarrior game in development.

>>377084628
>apparently a fifth Mechwarrior game in development.
Yeah, made by the devs who made Mechwarrior Online. Basically the same game but wholly single player instead. Could be neat if they don't make it linear as fuck.

I miss Heavy Gear.

>>377081656
You're right about it being a reskin. It adds a few new things, like the ability to open a door without charging through, and melee weapons. Unfortunately it also adds things like flying Chryssalid-equivalents and even more terror units to need alien medics to research because you may never even see a Triscene in the entire game. Plus, after a while all terror missions are two-tier which means you have to go on a bathroom hunt for aliens on cruise ships twice as much. Worst of all, there's a game-breaking (and not in the good way) glitch that can render the game unwinnable if you don't research certain things in a certain order.
...So if you like a challenge and don't mind a bunch of slogging, yeah, try it. Check out a faq for how to avoid the aforementioned glitch.

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>>377085046
>it also adds things like flying Chryssalid-equivalents
I'm out
I'm fucking out

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>>377072635
Xenonauts is fun, but it's no X-COM. OpenXcom is just the old games except better, like the source ports for Doom. I would recommend both.

So, do you gents accept the new XCOMs or are they a shitty casualisation of the older games? I've only played one of the older games like 15-20 years ago when I was a little tyke, it blew my ass open nonstop so I gave up. I've only ever played the two new ones and I love them. This thread makes me wonder if I should give the old ones another go.

>>377085785
Are those 52,000 casualties all civs that died during your battles? Because that had to have been a lot of battles to get that number if so.

>>377086021
I bought XCOM 2 on release and it's one of the only times I've had buyers remorse. They're not that bad but I just don't like the change in mechanics and how focused on story and cinematics they are.

>>377086028
If you're getting your ass kicked your only other option is to evacuate the area and kill the ayys via airstrike. I guess they don't order the city to be evacuated first.

>>377086169
>how focused on story and cinematics they are.
I hate that too. The game has a lot of time wasters like those 3 second intervals between spotting the enemies and them running into cover, at the end of the enemies' turns and they show all of the status effects going on, when you spot an objective and Central is saying generic shit you've heard a million times before and can't be skipped, needing a mod so you can Evac All your fuckers or place everyone on overwatch. Not to mention the Avatar project that adds a nice dynamic but also doesn't allow you to take things leisurely at all.

I also prefer the DLCs for the first reboot. Cyber and mech soldiers were more fun.

>>377074930

That is not possible neither on the original xcom or in open xcom

>>377086021
I enjoy the hell out of EU/EW, but XCOM 2 is sort of a let down imo. The idea of the whole game essentially having a sort of low-key time limit to be completed just kinda makes it feel un-XCOM. I want to be able to position my guys so that they always have at least adequate tactical positions, not rush them forward at a constant rate in order to avoid being thwarted by an arbitrary time limit.

>>377086021
Enemy Within is pretty fun, but some stupid mechanics end up making the game feel horribly constrictive and repetitive.

>>377087413
>move the last unit into position before ending your turn
>trigger a cluster
>they now have a free reign to fuck up your entire squad

>>377086021

Depends on what you mean by "new xcom". I had an absolute blast with Afterlight, although I don't think it runs too well on newer systems

>>377085257
I don't think it's really that bad, though.
IIRC they're rarer than the Chryssalids, slower, and not as durable.

>>377089664

Nah m8 alien bases had tentaculats all over the fucking show