You were deafened

>>377065013
"Use Force Crush"

>>377065153
You were blinded

>>377065351
"Use Force Storm"

>>377065590
You were afraid

>>377065863
"Use Force Kiss"

>>377065918
You were sexually insecure

>>377066078
"Used Force Sight"

>>377066078
"Spanks Visas' ass"

>>377066208
Dark Side Points Earned

Canderous is fucking dead man.

>>377066264
worth it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__gLIyeQYDU

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It is good that you have never wondered what lay beneath her robes, if her alabaster skin was as white and unblemished as her face. Or if perhaps she bore the scars of slavery... and if that would stir you more. Perhaps her deferent tone would change once you held her by the throat, and showed her how far a Jedi can fall.

>>377066461
This is about Kreia right? :^)

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Perhaps you were expecting some surprise, for me to reveal a secret that had eluded you, something that would change your perspective of events, shatter you to your core. There is no great revelation, no great secret. There is only you.

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>>377066461
>Hearing this in Kreia's grizzled old lady voice

I have my playthrough saved right before the Sion fight, I want to continue but I don't want it to end again because I'll just end up playing it again 9 months down the road and play a light side consular AGAIN

>>377066925
>implying Kreia doesn't have a sexy voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLvY1XpjfM

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Know that much may happen here, but above all, do not forget this - you may trust in me. We cradle each other's lives, and what threatens one of us, threatens us both. And if you find you cannot trust me, trust in your training. Trust in yourself.

Never doubt what you have done. All your decisions have brought you to this point.

>>377067254
Damn, those quotes are insanely good.

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Apathy is Pure Pazaak

>>377066461
She must've been a dominatrix at some point.

And at last you saw

>>377067780
>le quippy rogue

>>377066461
It always struck me as odd that she was so suggestively applauding me for not banging that alien. I couldn't tell if she was actually approving or not.

>>377069316
>I couldn't tell if she was actually approving or not.

That's kreia in a fucking nutshell

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*teleports behind you*

>>377069894
i trashed this guy with little to no effort, 0 healthpacks and only with a heavy blaster. wtf

>>377069995
My last playthrough I beat every boss using mines

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>>377065013

>mfw when it's explained that I'm basically just absorbing all the force/energy around me like a sponge as my adventures went out, constantly getting stronger.
>I just thought I was leveling up in a video game.

>>377070310
is this a meme

>>377070310
>when the story of the game affects/is affected by the mechanics of the game in a meaningful way
This is the ultimate feeling in a video game for me, the entire confrontation with the masters scene was like a 10 minute orgasm.

>>377070445
working the leveling mechanic into the story? Not as far as I know.

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>>377065013
anybody else use force sight while in the same room as Vrook?

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>>377065013
>Apply restored content patch
>Nothing except dialogue is changed meaning Obsidishit never got further than what was in vanilla as far as content goes
>adds enemies to corridors, hundreds for no reason at all but to waste your time after FLURRY FLURRY FLURRY FORCE SCREAM FLURRY FLURRY FLURRY FORCE LIGHTNING
>No Atris vrs nihlius as shown in artwork
>No sith master companion (the guard in the hallway at khoonda has this originally planned companion's face) swap for Disciple (thrown in last second).
>Run darkside, kill all masters before showdown at dantooine and TEMPLE IS STILL FUCKING REBUILT. WHO THE FUCK REBUILT IT?
>tons of other inconsistencies like the lack of 1 plasma core detonator (found on koribaan) that can be used to either open sith room with holocron OR the locked door on Duxun but NOT BOTH BECAUSE YOU ONLY GET 1 causing you to miss out on multiple footlockers
>end game is still FLOATING LIGHTSABRES SO COOL
fucking garbage game fucking garbage developer. So glad obsidishit will never touch a star wars game again after George Lucas Black-listed them forever in his fit of rage after completing the game.

>>377070639
Oh FUCK no I've never done that, what color is he?

>>377070806
If it was both meaningful content and at a state where a mod could restore it, then Obsidian would have likely prioritised it being in the game. Of course the mod would only be shit that's irrelevant ultimately.

>>377070806
>AUTISM: THE POST

>>377070885
He's red.

>>377070217
Mines are the easy mode. It's simply the skill no one uses for their main. But it and grenades will kill ANYONE. It's not an accomplishment really.

>>377070546
I think Baldur's Gate 2 does it as well and Runescape (but it might just be pure meta in Runescape).

>>377071802
No you're right it's not, it just took forever

>>377071883
I know VtM Bloodlines does as well.

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>Doing my first dark side play-through
>Get to the vrook fight


i was not prepared for this

>>377071903
Yea, that sometimes happens. I think Malak took forever my first time and I had to use mines and shit too.
I wasn't very good at Light Side at first; didn't really understand the concept of fortifying stats. It would be another year before I play Morrowind.

>>377071978
I wouldn't be surprised, that game danced the line of meta as well.

>>377066208
"My ass for yours"

>Kreia force shocks T3 on the ship
>can't talk to either of them about it

>>377067780
IS THIS

>>377071525
>AUTISM: THE REPOST
ftfy

>>377072041
Malak with mines (light side so no murdering the captive jedi) was the longest fight in both games by far, the mines cap out at super low damage compared to 2 and you have to drop his health 9 or 10 times. Also he keeps rebuffing himself and you have to force breach that before you can stun him again.

>>377071701
>tfw completely forgot to use force sight at all
doesn't surprise me about Vrook though, it's clear he had some major "suppressed" anger about the last couple years.

>>377072157
Kreia fucks with almost every party member at least once and you never get to say or do shit about it

>>377072207
>light side so no murdering the captive jedi
but didn't he say they were physically dead, he just hadn't allowed them to join the Force? That's why I destroyed them with non-Drain Life to set them free

>>377072207
Exactly. But I still liked the fight. Even the fact it took like 20 minutes.

>>377072318
Technically yes, but some want to roleplay completely. No negative points for it.


>>377072308
Exactly. Like Atton in the Handmaiden paraside. You never discuss it.
Fuck, as anon said, I think EVERYONE gets screwed with.

>>377072351
Yeah I was giggling so hard the entire time, imagine this fight from Malak's perspective.
>>377072318
I never thought about it desu, I just figured I shouldn't attack 'em.

Here's an opinion I'm curious about.

Say you want to play Grey Jedi for KOTOR3.
Should there be Neutral powers that unlock (some sort of math to make sure you are near the median) or is the current system best, where you pay 50% extra for dark and light side powers.

>>377070546
i felt bad man, i told them to off me

>>377072453
I typed "almost every party member" because I don't remember a scene where she screws with Goto, but that's the only one that I can think of.

>>377072539
Yeah I did too, Kreia popping out and fucking 'em up was fantastic. I wish they had really finished this game.

>>377072538
I think there should be some powers only grey jedi can get, and also exclusive loot, like in kotor 2. There should also be some special dialogue options and you should a get a bonus to your charisma.

>>377072602
Gotoh is fucking with the others too. You can't troll a fellow troll.

>>377072693
What games have unlocked dialogue for high skills or attributes? That makes me happier than anything. I know Tyranny was one that had it recently and apparently Pillars too.

Baldur's Gate is a no
I think Planescape and Vampires Masquarade are both yes.

>>377072802
Yeah those scenes between him and the remote/bao dur are great too, all of the little intra-party scenes are great. When I play this game now I always leave and re-enter the Ebon Hawk multiple times so I can get it to fire off a bunch at once.

>>377072498
>I never thought about it desu, I just figured I shouldn't attack 'em.
Well I noticed depending on how you destroyed them they looked different from my Light Side/Dark Side playthroughs, drain life seemed to be the dark side version just cucking Malak before he could get to it and they look the same as when he drains them, while using any other power (I think I used destroy droid) the bodies just kinda go to the floor
>>377072602
Goto was fucking with other party members, and was basically the other manipulative person on the ship
>>377072539
definitely, imagine the realization your followers are basically your thralls and you can't stop it.

>>377072938
>the hours I wasted mixing up my party combinations so they could talk to each other outside the ship
Mostly the first one.

i wish Bao Dur had influence conversations on the ship.

>>377072909
Kotor 2. Which is why playing as a sentinel+weapon master/sith marauder is the best way to play.

>KOTOR is the first game I was able to be bad
>I felt so so so bad for making the Wookie kill his friend Mission
>I felt bad for Carth as he realized he's betrayed again
Still, dark side Basilla is hot as fuck.

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Having you here has an effect on me

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BEST girl

>>377073532
That's not Brianna.
But she's pretty damn high tier. Especially with her crush on the Exile and her fate of being locked away with the holocrons.
HHHHNNNGGGH. Great game.

>>377073532
>atris
>old and busted
>not handmaiden
>aka new hotness

>tfw everyone only likes you because of your powers and can't resist otherwise

>>377069316
I always assumed that she didn't want you to get with Visas, so she started speaking of her suggestively hoping that hearing such lewd things about Visas in her grizzled old lady voice would actually be a turn off.

>>377070546
Can't get enough of this shit either, especially when its unexpected.

>>377073973
Why was she anti-Visas? If you fuck Visas, nothing happens. Unlike that ME2 ho.

>>377073836
Atris is experienced. She knows how to touch you in all the right places.

>>377074236
because she loves you

>>377074381
The Handmaiden can use Force Sight too.

Besides, Atris is a virgin too.

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>>377066208

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Stop being nice.

>>377074478
A-As a mother?


Or do you mean Visas?

>>377074236
From one of her comments she believed any child would be like super saiyan in terms of force ability, and I imagine that doesn't synch with her desire to exterminate the force

>>377074630
>next panel
Stop being mean.

You literally can't win.

"I... I understand master!"

"No you don't"
-Lost 10 points of influence

reminder kotor 1 and 2 are literally top tier RPGs and anyone who disagrees is just eternally butthurt over kotor 2's cut content

>>377074748
Seriously, what's her fucking problem? Why am I supposed to care about what she thinks?

>>377074857
To Kreia, she wants you to agree, but overall i think her character was just meant to make you think about what i means to be good or bad. Like saving one person but condemning others blah blah blah. She was pretty great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2y51Fu7lGo
>to believe in an ideal is to be willing to betray it

This game's writing was so 11/10.

>>377074669
kreia loves every atom of your exile body

>>377074857
Apparently yes.

Teaching fetish.

>>377074748
she has a massive boner for lying, manipulating, looking out for yourself, and teaching independence and self reliance over dogma and base impulses.

>>377075040
>She was pretty great.
Understatement of the year.
Say "hi" for the screenshot!

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>>377075040
She doesn't want you to adhere to a side or code, evil or good, Jedi or Sith but to question and see everything like tools to use rather than wearing and living through them as a "dress" to define yourself.

>"...then I'll consider you expandable too"
>Kreia approves

>>377075040
I think she's good and all but that's hardly the groundbreaking shocker that people claim it is. The shit she talks about is so fucking generic in terms of the moral grey zone.

>>377075426
Which in all honesty, sounds pretty damn evil.

>>377074569
I want to bust my nuts up dat ass.

>>377075606
considering it's coming from a reformed but not really Sith I think its not surprising

>>377075606
well she was a sith lord and probably a bitch long before that

>>377074236
If she can't fuck anybody no one can.

>>377075606
It's an utilitarian point of view but what you do with the "tools" is still up to you.
So long as you're not a slave to something everything's fine to Kreia.

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>Side with the military dictator on Onderon because I would philosophically prefer an effective, ambitious military man in power over a weak and easily manipulated queen (as evidenced by the Jedi council using her as a puppet in the game)
>There's no way to talk the Jedi master down and this locks me into the dark side path at the end of the game

This shit will never not make me angry, it made me angry when I was like 12 and played this game for the first time. I still do it every time, though.

>>377075426
Are Sith even slaves to the force like the Jedi? They don't worship it or let it guide them but it does fuck up their bodies if they delve deep enough in the dark side.

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>>377075040
>tfw no option to tell Kreia "I'm not being a good person because the Jedi Code demands it of me, I'm choosing to do it of my own free will."
>tfw no way to follow up with a reminder that the Outcast broke from the Order in the first place to come to the rescue of the people the Mandalorians were killing

>>377076079
they're slaves to their passions

>>377076082
That's a pretty good point.

>>377076021
>surprised that siding with the man the Sith were supporting and masterminding the whole time puts you on the Dark Side path

Anon. You literally fight Nihlus' followers on the moon and in the palace if you side with the queen. You can't be surprised at this turn of events.

>>377076128
That describes most Sith apprentices. Top ranking Sith like Sith Lords or Darths are far more relaxed and mellow compared to them.

>>377076221

FUCKING FORCE RELIGIONS REEEE

>>377076079
Super-slaves, the dark side of the Force feeds of negative emotions, meaning that in order to get stronger most Sith let themselves go more and more lunatic and crazy evil, which gives them more power, which further makes them more insane.

At least the Jedi's faults come from frustration and stagnation.

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>>377066270

>>377076308
t.Kreia

>>377076286
>that one Sith Lord who was an economist before he got recruited by the Sith
>didn't actually use his Dark Side powers for anything bad
>died peacefully in his bed surrounded by his loving family

>>377069894
*Force Crush Force Crush Force Crush Force Crush Dead*

>>377076286
Nihilus was on an endless crusade because he had the munchies

>>377076286
Only outwards, inside they're deeply consumed (Vader) or pretty much hollow (Dooku).

>>377076447
Nihilus was an embodiment of a Force vacuum. He wasn't actually human, or even capable of much higher thought.

>>377076079
They can be. That's really the whole point of a lot of the EU shit that was made. Sith were often going way too far with their passions and becoming crazed backstabbing and self destructing dipshits. The Jedi meanwhile were either terrified of falling or firmly stuck in their ways and thus would act like retards in an entirely different way. Then you had people like Luke, Kyle and whatever who had passion but never went too far with it, and sith who understood the temptation of the dark side but used caution and thus lasted way longer.

>>377076447
Was nihilus a back guy?

did visas get BLACKED?

>>377076490
You can add Maul to that list as well. Love it or hate it Maul in the CW cartoon and Rebels was pretty fucking great.

>>377070806
>BECAUSE YOU ONLY GET 1
You get one from the droid vendor on Dantooine too you twit

>>377076664
Visas is pure.

>>377076560
Honestly, Luke doesn't feel like much of a Jedi but that makes sense considering he was taught in his adulthood instead of his childhood.

>>377070310
Well, you also have a much higher level cap than KOTOR I

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>>377076221
>that Sith Master who tries to convert you in the Temple
>Dark Side characters can agree with him
>then say they're just going to kill him
>"What."

>>377076664
did he tap dat ass before us?

>>377076664
I've seen art of him dreads some where so maybe?

>>377076914
pussy isn't made of the force so he doesn't want to eat it

>>377076864
choices matter, mang

>>377076082
Jedi being "light" and Sith being "dark" holds back KOTOR 2's system.

Want to be a nice guy to the average person and not go around ruining people's lives for fun? You are a Jedi. Want get some revenge on those who wrong you, and warn/ threaten people that mess with you? Sith.

>>377069316
The whole point is to fuck with your emotions to try and teach you something

>>377076082
Except for all the repeated moments you get to remind people that you are not a Jedi and that's not why you're doing what you're doing. You know, the thing a lot of people gush about?

>>377070546
Right?

>>377077583
Yeah, but you can't tell Kreia that, hence the constant "LOL STOOPID MORALFAG" refrain from her.

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My life, for yours

>>377073532
not visas

>>377076082
>>377075040
>>377074857
Kreia doesn't care if you agree, you only need to show you are willing to learn or think about what she said.

You gain influence with her that way.

see the last part of:
https://lparchive.org/Knights-of-the-Old-Republic-II/Update%2011/

>>377077408
My latest playthrough last week I got the Nihilus cutscene immediately before the Red Eclipse board the Ebon Hawk. As such as soon as I dealt with them it took me directly into the Visas fight and as such Kreia did not give me the option of a presitge class so i satyed a dark side Sentinel throughout. I thought it was pretty neat I was technically a dark jedi

>>377074857
She just wants you to learn and grow stronger

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>>377077710
>he doesn't have the visas HD mod installed

>>377077696
If you told her that it would change literally nothing, because you still act in a manner she finds unappealing.

>>377075606
Its really not though. The Jedi and their code are extremely flawed and the Sith are even worse. She wants you to make luke's choice and reject both sides because theyre both wrong.

>>377077408
Revenge is passion, and passion is the dark side of the force. That doesn't make you Sith, it makes you a Dark Sider and that's what most people call you.

>>377072909
New Vegas

>>377076021
The commander was even willing to work with you against the Sith, because he knows that that working with them long term is just asking for trouble.

>>377078025
Except that's wrong, because Luke never rejected both sides. Luke is a firm Jedi, he modified parts of the code that were obsolete and caused the Jedi to sit back out of a misguided belief that action would lead to the dark side. What Kreia does Luke wouldn't approve of at all because quite frankly it's just the views of a much craftier and less openly insane Sith.

>>377076079
They're even more enslaved by the force than the Jedi. The sith indulge in their passion and anger and by doing so they let the force control them

>>377078028
I meant more of alignment compared to personality. Nice guy that helps people, but mess with him and he will wreck your shit. I guess it would be "grey"

>>377078243
You never get dark side points for attacking anyone who provokes you, unless they are doing it for a specific purpose, like grief.

>>377076664
The only thing nihilus felt was a need to eat all the force he could find. He didnt fuck visas.

>>377078212
>the sith let the force control them
>the sith are evil and do evil things

Does that make the force evil, is the force an uncaring god? is that why kriea wanted to kill it?

>>377078321
The Force requires willpower to be used, whether you achieve it through meditation and inner focus or by letting your violent emotions run wild is up to you.

>>377078321
The force is literally a force, it's why it's called the force.

>>377076560
Its no coincidence that the Jedi and Sith are so alike. The Jedi turn people into inhuman, uncaring monks and the Sith turn people into inhuman monsters. Either way you cant just be a human being. That was actually the whole point of the original movie trilogy, both sides are wrong and Luke rejects them both.

>>377078208
I mean if I understand Kreia's goal correctly she wanted to completely erase the force as a thing, which makes both the Jedi and Sith nonexistent. While the methods she used to try to accomplish this certainly extend from her Sith background I think the goal wasn't. I agree that certainly wasn't Luke's goal though

>>377076839
Hes not much of a Jedi because he really isn't one. He told yoda and ben to fuck off because he had to save his friends and he was completely right. The Jedi always refused to involve themselves in any conflict out of fear of the dark side and it literally always makes the problem worse. Its one of the main reasons why the galaxy is constantly destroying and rebuilding itself in cycles of violence between the two ideologies.

>>377078737
Except it wasn't since in the original movie trilogy the Jedi were never really portrayed, and the only tidbits we got (Yoda's training, Obi-Wan's actions) were correct.

>>377077408
I get what you are saying but I think you might be missing the entire point of the game.

>>377078208
Except that he literally did reject the Jedi code by going to save his friends on cloud city. He was completely correct to do so.

Jedi from the Jedi civil war era would be horrified at the order that Luke created, and thats a good thing.

>>377079107
Luke confirmed for best "Jedi" ever.

>>377077890
The gold pattern on her cowl looks like molten plastic with that mod, it's literally the only bad part about it but it's bad enough that I can't use it. The homo usually makes decent visual mods but he really fucked that one up.

>>377078321
The faggot Jedi are the ones who put down some fake distinction of "good force" and "bad force" with the light and dark side shit.
Its just a force. How you use the force determines its outcome. The sith and Jedi are just opposite sides of the same coin, blinded the same way but on different ends of the spectrum over it.

>>377078321
Its just a force, man. All these problems are happening because way back when people discovered the force they decided to turn people who could use it into monks. Its only natural that certain members of these force using monks wanted to use their magic powers to enhance their personal power and there we have Star Wars.

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>yfw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2SIAjuQW2s

>>377079607
It's been more 30 years. You act like this was ever in doubt. Luke best jedi always.

>>377079451
He then failed miserably and realised how rash he was being, and at the end of the final movie decides to not be a rash hothead anymore. Yet he still wants to act without staying his hand all together. Kind of the entire point of Luke's character.

>>377079150
Except that you're wrong, the Jedi code of inactivity is what has caused almost every single major problem for the galaxy. You think Yoda and the Jedi code was right because Luke ended up losing to Vader but that is just circumstantial. Yoda didnt want him to go because it was against the Jedi philosophy to intervene in anything. He literally told him that its fine if they die and you should just let them.

>>377079885
>Reminder- In the last series of Books before Disney bought them, Luke had defeated a LITERAL god of the force

Luke is kinda like the Doom Guy of Star Wars at this point.

>>377079965
He wasn't being rash, he was being heroic. At the end of the final movie he rejects the dark side and calls himself a Jedi, but historically I think the Jedi would be horrified at what Luke became and what he tries to turn the order into. They wouldn't agree that he was a Jedi.

>>377080192
He was being rash. He failed to save Han Solo, had to be saved, had his hand cut off and realised a traumatic truth. Of course the Jedi wouldn't view him as a Jedi, because he's not a proper Jedi. But to say that he rejected the Jedi code is laughable, as he simply reformed parts of it into a more modern and actual proactive order.

>>377079965
He fucked up, but the principle behind his actions is the same.

>>377079651
I think its more like the Jedi are wrong and the Sith are wronger

>>377080192
Almost certainly because he has zero training, no oversight, and his only persistant contact with force users for any period of time was in the form of Vader and The Emporer...

This is why in the books we have the period right after the movies. Where Luke starts dabbling in the dark side more and more, before coming back around and settling on a "fuck it neutral" standing that he maintained through the rest of the books.

>>377080278
>But to say that he rejected the Jedi code is laughable
That is literally what he did, though. He refused to follow the Jedi code and went to save his friends. It wasnt Luke acting rashly, it was Luke acting out of desperation to save his friends. They were definitely going to die if he didnt try to do something, and thats what he did. The fact that he failed isnt whats important, its the fact that he tried to do whats right.

>>377079838
>this isn't a still image
>it's video recording
>you can see the guy's weapon sperg in at 5:48
kek

>>377080402
>Almost certainly because he has zero training, no oversight
And that ended up being beneficial for him. He wasnt turned into an inhuman, pacifistic monk that tries to suppress his emotions just like all the other Jedi, he becomes a regular person who wants to use his powers for good. Thats exactly what the Jedi should have been in the first place. The entire reason these movies and games are called Star Wars is because the galaxy is constantly blowing itself up over these bickering ideologies that are both doing shit wrong. These battles between the Sith and Jedi have been happening for thousands of years.

Luke turning away from the Jedi code and rejecting the dark side finally created the synthesis of light and dark that the galaxy has needed since the very beginning. The original trilogy was meant to be the end of Star Wars, Luke's synthesis was meant to be the end of the never-ending conflict.

>>377080523
And then he starts following the Jedi code at the end of the movie and makes some modifications to it, because he believes the Jedi should not run away from every conflict. He still follows the code, peace, yadda yadda. He's a Jedi, he's just not a Jedi willing to sit still.

So once again no he didn't reject the Jedi Code, just 1 part of it that said "don't rush and get your hand chopped off."

>>377080961
He isnt a Jedi. Jedi dogmatically and blindly followed their code to the detriment of the whole galaxy for thousands of years, learning nothing from the constant warfare, just continuing to suppress their emotions and refusing to get themselves involved with conflict. Luke might have called himself a Jedi when he was speaking to the emperor but what he really became is something different and better than a Jedi.

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>>377073532

>manipulated by Sith holocrons
>manipulated by Kreia
>obvious jealous/tsun for the Exile(depending on gender)
>tortures actual best girl
>literally never did anything right

Atris a shit.

>>377075606

The Jedi are just as dogmatic as the Sith. Their choice not to act during The Mandalorian Wars cost millions of lives. Dogma is dogma. That's the whole point of KOTOR 2. Are the Jedi inherently "good" because they follow the "light side"? Not saying overall the Sith aren't worse, because they are, but the Jedi have made some pretty fucked up decisions and their ideology is ultimately pretty flawed.

>>377076490

Dooku actually had good intentions. He's one of the most intelligent and skilled characters in the series. He never was super evil either. I'd argue he's one of the best Force users ever overall.

>>377065013
Why are the KOTOR games so fucking comfy? I don't think I've ever played a game more comfy than these two game.

>>377076664

I always assumed Nihilus was an alien who was eventually twisted into an unspeakable monster by the dark side. Guy probably looks worse than Sion.

>>377081431
He became a Jolee Bindo?

>>377081972
In a lot of ways, yes

>>377081739
Oh, how I have seen the Jedi's dogma; unbound by time, all-binding, grand design. Land and skies and space yearn. Finish the cycle of eternal return.
finish the Cycle of Eternal Return.

>>377082170
dammit i fucked up

>>377081431
Yeah it bit them in the ass in the end though
>don't allow romance so Anakin does it on the sly
>Sheev uses it to turn him and exterminate almost the entire order
their fundamental problem in the movie era was they'd had 1000 years pretty much free from the dark side, and so the old orthodoxies that in truth were pretty silly had no challenge. So when the Sith popped back up they were easily manipulated and nearly destroyed. The Jedi Order like the Republic was in desperate need of reform, it just wound up taking their near annihilation to do it

>>377081972
Now THAT'S a real bro tier character.

>>377081910
No clue. Star Wars is just a great universe. Gameplay is simple too. Point and click basically, but better quality than the isometric games of Baldur's gate

>>377081910

>music
>great companions to talk to
>Ebon Hawk is an extremely comfy hub
>Star Wars is a big part of anyone's childhood in their 20's so living in that world feels amazing

That's what I think at least.

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>>377081925
I like how he was just some forgotten guy on the Malachor battlefield who may not have even been a Jedi who just happened to be turned into an inhuman force vampire by sheer chance after getting space nuked by Exile whereas everyone else just died around him.

Reminds me of this guy's backstory.

>>377082347
The Jedi were definitely weak because of their inactivity.
>No more sith for hundreds of years, I guess we finally won hooray for us
The Jedi are stupid as fuck, man. Their history is full of Sith threats seemingly coming out of nowhere to fuck them up but they still just sit back for a thousand years and assume they just somehow won. Their retarded code made them passively twiddle their thumbs while the sith were slowly moving in the shadows to destroy them.

Teaching people not to feel their feelings is just stupid. Of course you're eventually gonna have people who just cant do it and of course that will fuck everything up

>>377081910
My first real RPG, had been playing mostly RTS and shooters since the 90s, played the first KotOR and was like "fucking loads of text and pseudo turn-based combat? GAY." Then I kept playing and realized it was amazing.

Also the reason I got Mass Effect day one. Shame that series went to hell.

>>377083069
Holy shit are you me?

>>377082852
Who is this anime lad? I like the art.

>>377083305
Dude, it's a very generic mid 20's kid lifestyle. You'll find millions like you guys.

>>377083492
Cowpoke Skoobadibop

>>377083532
...really? Serial experiments lain? Doesn't look like it.

>>377083305
Maybe. wake up, please.

>>377083598
Yea. It just hit me. It's Cowboy Bebop. I KNEW it was familiar from the childhood. I wanted to say Inuyasha

>>377083492
Cowboy Bebop, immortal kid episode

>>377083863
That was a pretty good episode.

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>>377081910
Replaying on the android version on my tablet (after getting it on a humble bundle) atm during my hospital shifts. If I fail my medical residency exams, it's still gonna be worth it

>>377084310
I had this pic as my desktop wallpaper for the longest time. Don't know why I changed it...

>>377084189
Yeah I like the ones where they just sort of stumble into something that is way bigger than their little world of bounty hunting and Spike's past like in the crime syndicate and then just need to come out of it alive.

Pierrot Le Fou is my favorite episode. This scene gives me chills every time I watch it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI1XDWFdXZQ

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>>377084410
I had the Atris vs Nihilus one.

>>377084495
Is the manga worth it?

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>>377084605

>>377084527
>tfw the Exile won't make a pretzel

>>377085394
Would nihilus make her his cockslave or just drain her?

>>377085394
Yea, I love it.

Light side is the only good side since the dark ruins muh waifu's face.

You are now aware that kreia is handmaiden's mother.

>>377085723
Meh, I think we all knew. Actually, if you play the fucking game, it's kinda obvious.

>>377066961
>Not guardian
That force jump attack is too fun. Mix it with force speed and it's awesome to jump around everywhere

>entire game stresses the importance of being neutral
>No neutral bonuses
>No neutral prestige classes
Forever salty

>>377086867
Yeah, I just rush for 1 side in tutorial to get prestige

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>>377081910
Jeremy Soule's music. That's really it. He's the master of comfy ambient music.

Ahto City – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD4YUEd18R0
Dantooine – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv8tYdGTQdY
Taris Upper City - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXk6TYQd4K0
Streets of Whiterun - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo3VAltxlr8
Wings of Kynareth - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo3e9a7QKqM
Peace of Akatosh - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC2HawG2Rks
Sunrise of Flutes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlX6RSF1ny0
Road Most Travelled - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATSRqT2tH8E
Happy Hogwarts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f88kZKQ7DVE

>>377087228
Jeremy Soule did the ost for kotor?
Holy shit I had no idea

>>377067780
atton "chock the jedi scum" rand

>>377087228
Literally too comfy. How am I supposed to do work while listening to this?

>>377087228
I know him best for Morrowind of course.

>>377067207

FOR THE SUN WILL RISE AND THE MOON WILL SET AND YOU LEARN HOW TO SETTLE FOR WHAT YOU GET

God, she's fucking beautiful.

>>377087228
Holy fuck I forgot like all of Manaan. That shit is awesome.

>tfw I can't play this game because I really want to have special dialogue from skills but I can't bring myself to play as a Sentinel because they don't learn enough feats and I would play as a crippled Guardian but the Intelligence skill multiplyer is just so low that even at 18 INT you still only get like 4 skills per level

anyone else know the feel?

fuck you guys I guess I'm playing KotOR2 again.

What do I build?

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>>377088367
Yeah, Ahto City is the best track in KotOR IMO. That's one of my two alarms on my phone. Hard to wake up grumpy when you have some of the most chill music in existence.

>>377088582
>What do I build?
eh, doesn't really matter since this game is never hard at any point on any difficulty, I only ever play for the story

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>>377075906
That's not utilitarianism.

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>>377088582
>just started a new game a few days ago
>MISSION GOAL: TURN EVERY SINGLE CREWMEMBER INTO JEDI
>INCLUDING MIRA
>WHILE BEING DARK-SIDE

Mira can suck a cock, she has exactly 4-5 influence gain opportunities in the entire fucking game, so if you miss even a LITTLE influence in her initial conversation, count yourself utterly fucked in ever getting her to be a darkside jedi.

Also,
>Oh man I have the highest charisma in the goddamn galaxy, I bet I can get all of Visas' conversations and upgrades right after she join
>Do so
>Handmaiden throws a shitfit and refuses to let me train her anymore

Being spacejesus is suffering.

>>377088423
You can always cheat a little. After my 90 millionth playthrough, I sometimes fudge the skills.

>>377088582
EVIL. VIBROBLADE ONLY. DEMOLITION EXPERT. SECURITY IS GOOD TOO.

>>377089078
Yea, there is a little dancing needed to get everyone as a Jedi. I remember restarting as a fucked up Atton. Glad to know the game makes you think: you can't just FORCE PERSUADE everyone.

>>377088423
I do not know this feel. At all.

As Consular with 16 int, you get 5 points per level with Persuade, Awareness, Repair and Treat Injury as your starting main skills. Take 'computer use unlocked' as your very first feat, and you now have access to all the special dialogues that matter with HK, T8 and G0T0 in addition to 90% of the dialogues from randoms throughout the game.

Hell you can throw 4-points-cost into Security and Demolitions too right away in Peragus to bump them to 1 each, because even with a single point in them your intelligence bonus and gear later on means they get like +5 regardless as soon as they're unlocked.

And since you're consular, you don't give a fuck about feats.

>>377089078
You can go negative influence, though.
They'll just be on the opposite side.

>>377088582
light-side jedi consluar blaster user sempai.

>>377088367
Comfy worst planet. It's the number one reason I won't replay kotor. Fuck the underground session

>>377089084
>vibroblade
WEAK. Go unarmed, it actually works pretty well.

>>377089151
The only hard ones are Mira and Handmaiden honestly. The path to take is basically heading straight to Nar after Telos and ignoring basically every sidequest on the way.

Atton will have so much fucking influence just from basic talking to him and Kreia at this point that you need either 1 or literally 0 more influence gains by Nar to unlock him, just need to take him to the refugee sector.

Bao-Dur needs exactly 3 'light-side' influence gains before he turns; you can get 1 as soon as he's out of his cell on Telos and 2 more from Nar conversations, and you can turn him before the planet even ends.

Mira is a bitch because if you fuck up the ONE big influence conversation you have with her after Nar, you are basically fucked. She has so few influence gains in the game that messing up even a little means you'll have to wait ENTIRE PLANETS for her to be turnable, whereas doing it perfectly means you'll turn her right after getting her on Nar.

And Handmaiden is just a bitch, not exactly hard to turn, but you have to completely ignore Visas until Handmaiden's 3 combats and influences are done because if you spend ANY MEANINGFUL TIME AT ALL with Visas, Handmaiden spills her spaghetti fucking everywhere and autistically screeches about how you like Visas more than her and refuses to ever talk to you again.

And, y'know, fuck disciple. Who cares. Shit character, why are you playing a female. gtfo.

>>377089570
Underwater isn't that bad anon. It's survivable. You exaggerate it in your mind.

>>377089534
The fuck are you smoking, Kotor2 doesn't use a goddamn rivalry system. You need to have specific amounts of Influence to unlock conversations, pissing them off and getting 'influence lost' makes them dislike you and they refuse to speak on specific topics. This ain't fucking Dragon Age 2.

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So we can all agree that Handmaiden>Disciple.

>>377089675
>why are you playing a female
Very good question. I've NEVER EVER played a game with him and I have so many playthroughs. I watched a few of his cutscenes. He doesn't seem nearly as important a character as Brianna.


>Make Bao-Dur a Jedi
A bit of an overkill but Jedi are the best class so why not? I think I did once only though.

>>377089851
It does. Negative influence unlocks dialogues just like positive, but companions will have opposite alignment.

>>377089882
>Great Angel vs literally nobody
Proper use of "literally" by the way.

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My life for yours.

>>377089882
Handmaiden is superior but a huge pain in the ass because of her glitchy checks against Visas. If there is ever a point where Visas' Influence > Handmaiden's Influence, PBBBBT, locked out of Handmaiden's dialogue and progression forever, g fucking g.

You either have to romance her or tiptoe on fucking eggshells in order to keep talking with her while talking with Visas, and even then, choosing not to romance her still has her lock-out and betray you by the end of the game.

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>>377090010
>>377090061
One kind word and Visas follows you around like a lost puppy.

>>377089902
Bao-dur is boring, which is why most people don't bother, but since Jedi are objectively better with better stats and Bao turns into a Guardian, may as well. He can still be in Heavy Armor for all it matters, just the deflection and attack bonuses from being Jedi are worth it.

>>377090137
I'd fuck her doggystyle.

>>377090137
>one kind word

One WORD, period. She's the superior waifu but goddamn if she isn't a bit dull. After beating her, it is actually impossible to fuck up her questline as even with actually 0 influence, she will follow you to the ends of the galaxy with no protest at all.

>>377090252
I think this is a case where it's worth the hard work to get Handmaiden as she is superior in every fashion.

>>377090396
This. Guardian Handmaiden equipped with a staff saber can wreck everything in the game.

>>377090470
Duals are better as long as you have enough mods, though.

>>377090396
>Handmaiden training in cargo hold when Atton drops by
>She refuses to talk to him, he just calls her a cunt and goes to get some supplies
>As he passes by she unleashes a flurry of attacks on him and he fucking parries every single one unarmed
>"YOU CLEARLY HAVE FUCKING ECHANI TRAINING TELL ME WHERE YOU GOT IT REEEE"
>'Just lucky I guess.'

I fucking love the team dynamic in this game.

>>377090470
Well, as a waifu too.

>>377081431
No he's a Jedi. He's just a failure cause JJ and co wanted to remake the OT.

>>377090557
Poor Atton. Treated like SHIT by fucking everyone yet he's probably best companion ever.

>>377090557
Schutta.

>>377090557
>Kotor One everyone is friends with each other, even the cranky mandalorian
>Kotor Two almost everyone wants to kill each other and they don't do so only via loyalty to the Exile.

>>377089882
Disciple figured out Revan and Kreia before everyone else did and he was the Jedi fanboy people make him out to be.

>>377072538
>>377072693
There's no such thing as a grey Jedi, it's like a meat eating vegan.

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>>377090396
>>377090470
>>377090583
Handmaiden a cute.

>>377090753
Original Je'daii before the split were gray, blame that shit on rakata.

>>377090835
Sadly not canon anymore if they ever were to start with.

>>377090753
You can be neutral with force abilities, but i guess you wouldn't be really a Jedi or a Sith.

>>377090881
Well, neither are kotors, but here we are.

>>377090881
Disney canon is universally awful and only acknowledged by normies.

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Why couldn't I fuck Mission Vao?

OMG Kreia so deep!!!!!1111

>>377090937
Because Revan isn't a pedo nor into aliens

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>>377091008
Yes, Revan is into strong droid cock.

>>377090937
Too young. No nudity mods yet. I don't think ANY Bioware game at this point allowed sex.

>>377090937
Too young, she's 16.

>>377091095
Statement: Ah yes, I see you have fine taste in robots.


Why the fuck couldn't we get KOTOR3?

>>377091118
So she's legal

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>>377090937
>>377091153
MISSION IS ONLY FOR CUTE, NOT FOR LEWD

>>377091098
>I don't think ANY Bioware game at this point allowed sex.
There's implied sex with Bastila in the same game, though.

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>When the horror dawns on just how bad The Last Jedi is going to be
>Where's Luke desire to detach himself from his wordy connection isn't an attempt at rebellion on his part against being a puppet of the force in a cosmic game of good and evil
>Where Mary Sue is going to be the enlightened true Jedi who will lead to the true path because she has a vagina

>>377090792
Any more pics?

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>>377065013
If you find me overly critical, perhaps it is because you do not fully understand what is at stake.

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>>377091271
>When the horror dawns on just how bad The Last Jedi is going to be
A
FUCKING
TREE

>>377091271
Shush. It MIGHT be good. Force Awakens wasn't even bad.

Or maybe I'm just happy it wasn't Prequel level.

>>377091391
Is the rumor that it's a Force Tree? Like... in Naruto and hundred other stories?

>>377091415
TFA was worse than TPM and ROTS, it barely edges out AOTC

>>377091391
Not just any tree. A Tree in the shape of ovaries

>>377091472
No. That's bullshit nostalgia. You can praise the prequels for doing new shit but it was all flops and bad quality.

Tree? What tree? You're scaring me, guys

>>377075750
she's already fucked enough

>>377091683
Leaks of TLJ script have indicating that we're going to meet the first Jedi in it, and the first Jedi was a fucking magic tree.

>Sure buddy here's 2 million credits plus the deed to my ship, may the force be with you *bows respectfully*
>Pssh get out of here weakling before I get blood on my lightsaber... heh... then I'll REALLY be angry...

When did you realize this game was garbage?

>>377091768
Oh crap, like in ASOIAF...and Naruto

>>377091768
R u srs. You're serious. Fuck.

>>377091781
That's KOTOR 1

>>377091683
Remember midichlorians? Well, now it's a tree.

Midichlorians were actually never that bad, people just misunderstood what they were. They didn't cause the force, they were just attracted to it so the presence of midichlorians was just a useful way to measure a force-sensitive's power level. Still dumb and unnecessary when Yoda or whoever can close his eyes and say "Sense great power in him I do" or whatever and we get the same effect without going into unnecessary detail, but whatever. Now there's a tree that is the origin of the force or some shit and a stupid Cain and Abel origin story for the first Jedi/Sith where an evil MAN who was the first Sith kills the first woman Jedi, probably because of how jealous he is of how intelligent, funny and empowered she was.

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>>377092060
There is no neutral option in this encounter.

>>377092070
Women are funny. Get over it.

>>377092070
>Cain and Abel origin story
Delete this. Delete Disney right now. Star Wars rebellion when?

>>377092060
You bit the bait hard.

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>>377092163
APATHY IS DEATH

>>377091008
But I am.

>>377091098
Then let me abandon zaalbar in a fight, catch up and tell Mission he was killed and take care of her. Stroke her smooth tentacles while she cries over her only friend while we drift through space. She'll find comfort in my strong arms and then I'll succumb to the dark side and teach her how to love someone else.

>>377089682
It's tedious

>>377086867
It doesn't stress the importance of being neutral. It stresses the importance of thinking about your fucking actions.

>>377090646
To be fair Atton brings it upon himself most of the time. He's kind of a cunt.

>>377093353
Cuck. A true Alpha does what he wants when he wants.

How many Jedi did Atton rape?

>>377093997
Yeah, malak was such a good leader.

>>377094041
about the last two digits of this post

>>377072538
>>377072693
>Grey Jedi powers
What, like a Master Aura of Superiority +6?

>>377091472
>TPM above anything
I just rewatched it after like 10 years and it was a fucking abortion. I am honestly amazed it didn't manage to kill off the franchise.though considering young me enjoyed it the kiddies were all that kept the bot afloat.AOTC was just dull and empty compared to that train wreck
>>377092070
Jesus we got out of the EU frying pan into The Disney fire. That's going to give phantom menace a run for its money

I like turdles

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>>377090753
>There's no such thing as a grey Jedi, it's like a meat eating vegan.

Carbs, you forget the carbs.

There is also the Paleo route.

>>377090753
>There's no such thing as a grey Jedi, it's like a meat eating vegan.
If Jedi believe the Force is sacred or something like that, and the Force flows through all life and all creatures are connected to it in some way, shouldn't they be vegetarians?

Also, I always thought of terms like "Grey Jedi" or "Dark Jedi" originated as layman terms because Jedi are usually the only "mainstream" force users. Even in KOTOR it seems like the rise of the Sith is a comparatively recent thing. So in the past the term "Sith" hadn't really caught on among most so they just adjusted the name of what they were familiar with; this guy in a robe with a lightsaber using the Force is like a Jedi, but he is evil and claims to use the "dark side" of the Force, therefore he must be a "dark Jedi", or a similar situation for a neutral "grey Jedi".

From what I remember the term "dark Jedi" was used in KOTOR 1 to refer to Jedi who had turned to the dark side, so perhaps these terms found a formal definition and were adopted by educated Force users at some point? I don't know, just my thoughts on it.

>>377097620
No, the original Sith were some ancient civilization with dark side powers.

>>377097620
I think the general idea is Dark Jedi are Dark Siders who aren't part of the Sith Order and Grey Jedi are Jedi who go "fuck the code, I'ma save the galaxy"

>>377089675
>why are you playing a female
I like the change in disposition that it does to Sion when playing one. He's infatuated with the exile and even tries to keep you from going to Kreia because, in his words, "She will break you as she did me, and you will no longer know yourself."
And romancing Atton isn't bad at all.