Defend my awful palace. Pro tip: you can't

too many mouse puzzles.

it was still better than burger kings palace

>>377062297
I liked the music. Everything else was dog shit though. Easily the worst of them.

>>377062297
>best music
>best palace boss fight
>best concept behind the palace
The only thing it really failed on was the door puzzle and the story execution

>>377062297
Incredible music.
Incredible scenery.
I HUMBLY ASK YOU VOTE FOR ME
Best boss fight.

Only problem was that the mouse shit took way too long. It got really repetitive about halfway through.

Interesting. Surely I'm not the only one to really enjoy the mouse puzzles?

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>>377062679
>best music
>when Price, When Mother Was Here, Whims of Fate and A Woman exist

>>377062982
It was mechanically very interesting. And adorable. It just dragged on longer than it should have.

Better than Space. Fuck everything about that palace.

>>377062297
The music was good, everything else was absolute shit.

>>377063378
space was still better desu

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>>377063195
But mostly adorable.

>>377063378
This. Those stupid color airlock door puzzles were shit.

Museum>Pyramid>Casino>Castle>Bank>Boat>Space

>>377062982
The first one was honestly the worst by far since I couldn't find the entrance to the hallway at the top for like 30 minutes but after that they weren't so bad.

>>377063195
I thought the pace was great. The last section was the shortest, the game gave you enough of a breather between sections and it was a nice change of pace to just hiding around corners and waiting for ambushes.

Too these are the same niggas who make SMT dungeons, you would think with high budget for once they'd be able make some of the best dungeons in the genre

>>377063465
Why does everyone complain about that part? It only lasts like 5 minutes.

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>>377062297
Would've been the best palace in the game if I could have sat at the table with Makoto

>>377063508
>Pyramid>Casino>

Fuck outta here with your babby picture puzzles and the dungeon progression repeating itself, stop letting good music blind you from seeing how repetitive that dungeon was and how shit the puzzles are

>>377063634
Because some people activate every switch they come across and don't realize everything is color-coded.

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>>377063627
People are complaining about the fucking air lock puzzles in Okumura's palace, imagine those same people doing something like this.
They know their audience.

Casino>madarame>first dungeon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last dungeon for being short when i wanted the game to end already>>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else

>>377063596
I agree. If it was just the letters of recommendations without the mouse puzzles, it would just be a relatively fast boss rush. The mouse puzzles acted as a little buffer/filler, and considering how spread out they were, I didn't think they were bad at all. Hell, each mouse puzzle itself wasn't too long. I literally have no idea why everyone complains about it so much.

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>>377062297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfEO_Hu1pqU

>>377064165
>I literally have no idea why everyone complains about it so much.

It's the MAIN antagonists dungeon, why it it less varied than the previous fodder bosses?

Why should it get away with repeating the same puzzle just to pad the dungeons length? They were lazy to do anything with that dungeon so they just repeated the same shit, same process 4/5 times. That's not even the worst part

>talk to letterfag
>do some bullshit to get the letter
>he gives it while triggering the person
>cast member can't man the fuck up ignoring it and then says let's fight
>every letterfag does this process

Just a waste of fucking time since there's no option to straight up fight them

>>377062297
Literally the best dungeon, considering every other dungeon was way too easy.

>>377062297
Why so many complaints? It was never meant to be the last dungeon. It was fine.

>>377064567
Well they have to receive the letter first before they rape their face in, its not like letters approved letters write themselves.
But I do agree the whole execution of the letter shit is total shit since it always boils down to a shitty 30 second fight.

>>377064567
It would have been nice to play up the thief aspect in that mission. Do all you can be it stealth or speak your way to that letter. I mean there's very little in the way of actual thievery in P5.

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i got stuck before the last letter because i didnt know you were supposed to climb on the outside of the boat to find the hacker guy. i probably spent an hour going back into the last mouse puzzle trying to find a grate that would lead to his room.

poor level design.

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>>377064346
>mfw the final phase of the fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eouUOE0EEVE

>>377064857
>I mean there's very little in the way of actual thievery in P5.
Pretty disappointed that after Madarame you never do an actual "heist" ever again.

>>377062297
Speaking of defending a palace, why didn't Shido command some of his men to go inside his palace to boost security the day of the calling card announcement? Does he and his researchers not know how to enter one? Did Akechi keep the secret to entering one to himself?

Literally just remove mouse autism and the dungeon is fine, mouse autism turns it into a forced stealth segment where getting into a fight is a guaranteed game over.

>>377065172
Akechi probably kept it close to his chest; he was the only one who was actually able to go there on his own.

>>377062297
It was pretty tame. Okumura's dungeon was the same way. They weren't the most complex and they botched the execution with the letters but overall it was alright

Don't understand what all the hate is about.

>>377062297
It's not the Space palace.

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>>377065195
>Implying the game isn't already a stealth game

>>377065064
>museum heist
>bank robbery
>cheating the casino

It had the three heist movie staple locations. For me, the rest of the palaces could have been removed entirely and the game would have only benefited.

>>377062297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDv7fPjHDxc
Best song.

>>377065195
How did you even get into a fight? That shit was beyond easy as fuck.

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>>377065036
>>377064346

>>377065195
>Literally just remove mouse autism and the dungeon is fine,

How? Then it makes it worse since the dungeon is even more barebones as fuck.

Every approach to the letterfags should have been different

It's all worth it for the NANOMACHINES boss fight though

>>377065036

this shit is pretty rad yo

what happens if you try and use a goho-m right after defeating the cleaner? I didn't even think to try until after I returned home

>>377062982
It has one two many.

>>377065172
was shido even aware of his own palaces existence? akechi would have probably kept it secret given his motives.

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The music was good. If you liked fighting this place was pretty good. Persona 5 had absolutely awful dungeon design, but I guess it's a step up from no dungeons at all.

I loved this game when I started it up, but after completing it I don't think it's really that good. The same thing happened with Breath of the Wild. Am I just jaded, /v/?

>>377066330
>was shido even aware of his own palaces existence?
Yes, he even acknowledges that they've defeated his shadow which is why he takes that medicine to kill them while they're still there.
Thankfully based Ryuji saved the day.

>>377066330
He was. After all why else would he take the coma pill to try and kill the P.T. while they're inside his palace?

>>377066330
He planted pseudo-Akechi in it to take him out after his usefulness wore out, and he temporarily killed himself to try and collapse his palace on the PTs, he clearly knew about it.

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>>377065172
Yaldy didn't want that to happen so it didn't. Literally anything you can think of to question the plot can be explained using that.

>Why didn't Mitsuru or Naoto do anything?
Because the entire game was a game!

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>>377062297
The boss was kinda lame, to be honest.
>grinds my resources down a bit by phase 3
>pop one of the four random somas I have lying around
>wipe the floor with him
Disappointing.

>>377066429
>>377066485

but wasnt that after the calling card was sent?

>>377066490
>planted pseudo akechi

i thought that was just his cognition

>>377066413
>Am I just jaded, /v/?
Literally yes. Even with its flaws, and even without comparing it to 3 or 4, 5 is still fucking fantastic. I'm not sure how I'd rate the three games, but they're pretty fucking close. Totally worth the wait.

>>377066541
>The boss was kinda lame
You mean every boss?
Persona 4 had way more challenging bosses than anything in 5.

>>377062297
The only good thing about it was Shido's fight but he's so easy it can barely count.

>>377066580
>but wasnt that after the calling card was sent?
Are you asking if he knew his palace existed before the Phantom Thieves intervened? If so, I don't think the game every says one way or another since it's not really important.

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>>377063508
Concept wise:
Museum > Casino > Boat > Castle > Pyramid > Bank > Space

Level design/Gameplay:
Museum > Castle > Casino > Boat > Pyramid > Bank > Space

Music:
Casino > Bank > Boat > Castle > Museum > Pyramid > Space

>>377066580
he took over the whole cognitive psience program and had a hitman who infiltrated palaces, he'd have to be completely deluded to think he didn't have a palace considering what he was doing to get what he wanted.

>>377066626
Madarame was probably the sweet spot. Just before you can start making really retarded Personas.

>>377066610
Oh well, I suppose it happens. I put hundreds of hours in to both games if you combine the two so I must think they're good in some capacity.

>>377067049
I had a really difficult time with Madarame and the mafia boss but after that the bosses became way easier

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>we could have got this instead

>>377062297
Art direction was top-notch, though.
>floating past a sinking city on a luxury cruise liner
LIKE POTTERY

>>377066413
the dungeon design wasn't superb but I'll take it over 4's and christ help me 3's any day of the week

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>>377067134
>after that the bosses became way easier
Yeah for P6 they need to seriously take a look at the consequences of some of these confidant bonuses, some are just so good and then others are just downright trash.
I like that they now tie into the game but it could've been better handled in terms of balancing.

>>377067172
Is that Shido's house? Noice.

>>377067172
>Rollercoaster to Heaven

>no amusement park palace
>no jailbreak palace
>instead we get a space station and a castle

I mean, the castle had probably the best layout and progression out of all the dungeons, as well as the best representation of how the Palace owner views the world around him, but it just feels out of place given the modernity of the rest of the setting.

>>377067512
>Palace has a bunch of interconnecting shortcuts that you progressively unlock as you go throughout the palace
>This entire concept is dropped for every other palace

>>377067512
>all these shortcuts
>fast travel ruins it
IT'S OBLIVION ALL OVER AGAIN

>>377067512
An amusement park doesn't really fit a burglary setting and the jailbreak happened in the first one. I'm not sure what better to replace it but Space was pretty fucking stupid.

>>377067597
Main problem is the fact that you can just skip to any safe room when you're either at the front or in a safe room.
When I heard that you had a route to get to each treasure, I thought you'd actually follow a path, not just skip to the end. Futaba's Palace is the only one with enemies in the way.

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I feel as if they got lazier with Palace ideas as they went along.

>Kamoshida's Palace is a castle
Fine imagery, even if the game beats you over the head with it a bit.

>Madarame's Palace is a museum, but the twist is that the paintings inside are the students he's taking advantage of
Fits great with his character

>Kaneshiro's Palace is a Bank because he sees the people he's extorting as his personal ATM's.
Same as Madarame, fits great

>Futaba's Palace is an Egyptian tomb because she's suicidal and thinks she deserves and is going to die while in her room.
Fit that part of the game perfectly, good job.

>Okumura's is a space station
This doesn't fit very well, the closest thing that justifies it as he views his employees as expendable, but it didn't need to take place in space. This seemed to connect more to the treasure afterward.

>Sae's Palace is a Casino because she wants to win all the game
I mean I guess that's good enough.

>Shido's Palace is a ship because he said the word "steer" once and a ship is a thing you can steer.
uuuuugh

>>377067597
>>377067758
>>377067867
>tfw I ran the infiltration route through the castle
>get to the museum
>no shortcuts
>no sense of "I earned this" from making a beeline, using the paths you've opened up, and sneaking past the enemies
>just quick travel to the safe room in disappointment

Did they blow their load on the castle and casino?

>>377068025
Yeah safe rooms shouldn't have existed at all and they should've made it so that as you progress you continually unlocked shortcuts that you would then use to reach the treasure on the day of the heist.
Kamoshida's makes me feel like that was the initial concept because the elevator takes you all the way back to the beginning of the palace even though you don't get access to it until the very end.

>>377068025
Shido also mentions "setting sail" in his speeches. It's really subtle, but the ship idea is there.

>>377068025
The ship is supposed to be like an ark for him. He only allows people he sees useful on board and let's the rest of the world drown in a flood.

>>377068143
Meant for >>377067867

>>377068025
None of the palaces outside of Futaba's were interesting or had twists.

>>377068025
You're a matokofag, you should be more observant. See; >>377068145
>>377068159

I agree with okumura, but he felt like filler entirely. probably because he was bait

>>377067134
Same here. The only boss that's difficult is Madarame, and by a large margin too. The difficulty spike for his fight is huge.

It's the only fight that takes any strategy. Every other boss fight is just "Spam strongest attack, then guard when the boss is using it's big strong attack". Kaneshiro in particular is a complete joke. Futaba's boss is also extremely simple and overall pretty boring. The hardest thing in her palace is the Anubis that you can sometimes fight. It has no weaknesses, tons of health, and it can cast insta-kill on Joker at any point.

Okumura is a a little boring but at least it has some new mechanics to it and takes a little strategy (ie. managing your SP against the hordes of mobs, dealing with the constant Big Bang Special every other turn at the end and curing the constant Hunger being applied to you). It's not perfect but it's an improvement.

>>377068159
The theme that plays in Shido's Palace is literally Ark, too.
Most of the Palace themes are spoilers, in a sense.

>>377068025
Oh yeah and Okumura's palace is like a space station as he views his factory as a way to ascend into politics. The workers that work their asses off are eventually burned to be used as fuel for his rocket ship in order to reach greater areas in politics.

>>377062405
Agreed.

P5 was one of the few SMT/Persona games that didn't have a dungeon that made we want to quit the game. Most of them went on longer than necessary. A few floors too many and they all left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

But none like invisible wall dungeons in SMT Nocturne (candelabras?) and conveyer belt floors into warps and walking off the map in Strange Journey. Or the abandonded ship in DDS2. Or the last SMT4 Apocalpyse dungeon. I hated all that stuff.

This was at least bearable.

>>377065036
I completely forgot about that. Lol. That's great. A series I kept wanting to like more than I actually liked it.

Anyone have any theories what Sae's treasure would be?

>>377068919
Makoto

>>377068497
>But none like invisible wall dungeons in SMT Nocturne (candelabras?)
You mean the Kalpas? The Candelabrums are the things you get from the Fiends that let you advance in the Kalpas.

>>377068919
Wasn't it her father's police notebook? Or was that just a ruse?

>>377067597
Multiple safe rooms were a mistake. There is not time you need to use a Goho-M since they're all over the place.

>>377066413
Nah. You aren't.

It's such a hard game to review. I did it in about 100 or so hours. But I think the game legitimately took about 20 hours to get interesting and also break out of tutorial mode. Then you don't get any good plot hooks until Futaba's palace. But right when you think it gets interesting the pacing falls apart.

Then nothing interesting happens until Sae's palace. But the true ending feels a little forced and obligatory. So it had some good moments, but in 100 hours it wasn't quite enough for me to say to someone who isn't into JRPGs that they should play the game. If you know P3/4 you know P5 and you'll feel the same way about it that you did the earlier games. So in that sense it is good.

But pacing is bad. It forces you through days when it doesn't need to and when it does need to do so it doesn't/

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>>377068334
>Okumura was the turning point in the story
>His death was supposed to be the twist of that main arc
>His shadow gets killed by Black Mask
>If you complete it early, Haru tells you about how her father has low energy
>He doesn't die right away, he schedules a press conference and admitting that he treated his employees like crap
>His death happens so conveniently onscreen
>This wouldn't be a problem, but it is, because the SIU Director just ends up kicking the bucket immediately

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>>377068919
A dick, because she's never had one before.

>>377069081
That was a guess by Makoto. The game never tells you what it was, but if it were that it would make sense. It's not brought up by the rest of the cast afterwards because there's too much important shit going on. She asks Joker too and you don't have the option to tell her, that could be because it's something embarrassing or you don't want to tell her it's the handbook because it might make her cry.

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>>377069320
>A dick, because she's never had one before.
Wrong.

>>377069304
I think Akechi can actually control when and where these people die. I basically think this because the principal died right in front of the police station and you can't tell me that wasn't trying to make some sort of statement. It works out better if Okumura dies in front of a bunch of camera's because it makes the Phantom Thieves look bad, SIU's actual act of dying doesn't really serve any purpose, Shido just doesn't have a use for him anymore.

>>377069320
I'm not sure they every actually saw the treasure?

They had a briefcase to basically lure Akechi out. I guess Sae changed her heart on her own? She got let off the hook pretty easily considering the game basically said she was corrupt.

>>377062679
>best music
but that's not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfCHboiqTtA
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTKkI1clyGA

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>Kamoshida's treasure is pawned off to Iwai
>Madarame's treasure gets hung in Leblanc
>Kaneshiro's treasure gets sold (I think)
>Futaba is her own treasure
>Okumura's treasure doesn't get sold
>Sae's treasure gets lost in the master plan
>Shido's treasure is just a dinky little pin

>>377069618
It's not inconceivable that someone could go back and get it later, such as Morgana. Makoto especially might want to know what it was. If you absolutely require your treasure being stolen to change your heart then someone had to have went and got it.

>>377070250
>Kaneshiro's treasure gets sold (I think)
Kaneshiro's actual treasure was worthless, but they sold the briefcase.

I assume Haru kept her fathers treasure. Which is funny because I think it would have been the most valuable.

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>>377069320
>The maid DLC doesn't come out until 6/6

>>377069390
I'm sorry Akechi-fags, but your boy died a virgin.

>>377069618

I think of it more as being corrupted. Partially because of the lyrics in the dungeon though.

>>377070418

You can change on your own, like with Mishima.

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>>377070815
>$7 per DLC costume
>$3 per Persona

>>377070250
they sold Kaneshiro's briefcase to binge on sushi

>>377070927
nah man its free.
Xmas outfits come out later

>>377069821
>implying the best tracks aren't the overworld pieces

Layer Cake and Beneath The Mask get my dick harder than Kawakami's massages

>>377070896
>but your boy died a virgin.
Highly unlikely, he's a good looking high school super star. Definitely wouldn't put it past the guy with the legendary trickster Loki to put it to Sae.

>>377070906
You can, however Mishima had a shadow in Mementos. Sae is so distorted that she had a Palace.

Mishima's shadow is funny as shit, though. You don't even fight him you just go there and tell him to stop being a fag.

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>>377070951
>Morgana doesn't get a single goddamn piece of sushi throughout the entire game

>>377071001
I meant in general

>>377062297

The mouse shit could have been a little shorter, but other than that it wasn't bad. And of course Rivers in the Desert is a fucking God-tier boss theme.

Okumura was the worst by far, mostly because it was super fucking long and unlike the other longer dungeons (including Shido's) wasn't broken up by cutscenes that gave the characters/villains time to shine.

>>377071106
I'm considering getting the P3 set just so I have something else to listen to while in not-tartarus

>>377071106
>giving the van sushi

literally why?

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>>377071069
>implying the best tracks aren't the boss themes
When the drop in Will Power and Blooming Villain hit and they line up with an All Out Attack its both kino and auditory kino.

>>377071076
There's no way she fucked Akechi. If Sae has ever had sex she had it in high school with some random. Before you clear her palace I don't think there's any way she gives any man the time of day when it comes to that sort of thing even if it's one she seems to somewhat respect like Akechi.

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>>377071248
>that MJ-tier choreography on Akechi's All-Out Attack

>On the trail for Okumura
>Get taken back to the present where Sae basically says that Okumura dies
>All the dramatic tension is out the window
>Okumura unsurprisingly dies
I think the fact that you see SO MUCH happening behind the scenes is probably the most frustrating part of the entire game. King Moron's death in Persona 4 really did come out of nowhere, and it hit not only you, the player, but the entire team, because you were wondering just what the fuck was going on. It was a good twist to keep you and the team on their toes. But in P5, it's like everything's spelled out for you.

>>377071248

akechi's, haru's and morganna's are top tier

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>>377072386
Add Joker and those are my four favorites.
Joker, Noir and Mona have the S M U G to them and then Goro's is just silly.

>>377072279
>But in P5, it's like everything's spelled out for you
It definitely tries to hammer its plot points in to you over and over again to make sure you get it.

I guess it might be neccessary though since many people seem to think the games ending came out of nowhere.

>>377072620
P4 was definitely the worst about it. You could end up not throwing Namatame in the television, but if you picked a single wrong dialogue choice, then it would skip you ahead to a bad end, which really just fucking ruined the tension with Nanako for me, which her being alive made me cry for like, 10 minutes straight.
The true ending feels extremely unavoidable if you play the game correctly.