Shin Megami Tensei vs Persona

For me, the sim aspect of Persona get's quite tiring. Take P5 for instance, if you get a dungeon done in a day, you spend the next 20 days just mashing X where some character arcs just aren't as appealing as others.

no time constraints, the press turn system, having a team of demons means more customization as opposed to party members, law vs chaos, generally darker tone

>>377051484
What's press turn?

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>>377051136
Actually getting to talk to the excellent enemy designs. P4 was my intro to the series and I dropped it in the middle to go play Nocturne because I wanted to talk mythology with demons and not just see them appear behind me for one second in battle. I came back to it and adore P3-5 though, and I'm making plans to play through most every game in the series eventually.

Persona is final fantasy for sadbois and SMT is pokemon for sadbois

>>377051626
You get 4 icons at the start of a battle, if you hit an enemy's weakness, you get an extra turn icon, if you miss your attack, you lose 2 icons etc.

>>377051752
No one plays the new Final Fantasy games. They let Persona sprint by them as the flagship JRPG.

Like half the gameplay systems that affect battle come from Persona's VN half, wouldn't SMT just have fewer mechanics to manage?

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>>377051136
I love both. MT games are just almost always unique, they tend to have great atmospheres and great music too. I wouldn't call them better or worse than Persona, they do different things and both series do a great job of what they set out to do, for the most part.

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>>377053796
The main reason there's a lot more to manage in SMT is that you have full customization of your party. In Persona you can only really customize your protagonist, so every battle is built around your party being able to handle it, in mainline games there are many more ways to approach a fight and the game is designed around that. There are also just some mechanics in SMT games that just aren't present in Persona, buffs and debuffs work differently, IV and IV:A have Smirking and so on.

SMT doesn't waste my time with pointless slinks that has no affect on story

>>377051136
>Persona
Waifu faggotry
>SMT
Kill all your friends and punch god in the face

>>377051336
That one day in the dungeon takes about as long as the following 15 days talking to people.

>>377051136
Someone post the image comparing SMT-era Atlus' attitude about their designs, to a pic of a modern Atlus dev groping the Teddie mascot during a stream

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>>377051136
I like both because I'm not an idiot with abysmal taste. SMT is SMT, Persona is Persona, but each one offers things I can enjoy. Other spinoffs need more love as well.

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Persona is SMT

I am a mature person.

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I want a new Raidou but with good gameplay!

>>377051626
It is similar to Personas "Once more" system but with a few key differences, mainly that you are punished for missing or having an attacked blocked, drained or reflected by losing half an extra turn icon.

You start with 4 turn icons and every crit or attacks that hit's a weakness will make a turn icon flash rather than use it. However if all your current icons are flashing then it will use a flashing icon.

This essentially means that unlike Persona there are limits to how many extra turn you can get and you can also lose turns. The same is of course true for the enemy as well. All of this makes hit rate and crit rate even more important.

>>377056195
>i'm not an idiot with abysmal taste
>I like both

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>>377056195
I love both, but I hope that ATLUS don't try to pull in the Persona audience again like they did with SMT IV:A. Both series have their own qualities that make them good, and trying to throw them together works out for the worst. Hopefully ATLUS recognizes why people like SMT for the new one.

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do you need to be autistic to enjoy persona? pic related

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>>377056720
Too bad.

>>377056330
Persona is megaten fucking faggot

>>377056974
i dont understand

>>377051626
>>377056730
What I really like about Press Turn is that while you are able increase your turns, you can also pass it to your team mates. It's flexible and works wonder for long battles.

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>>377057079

You could say that SMT has taken on a new Persona for its newer games

>>377056974
yes, the persona games are for autistic people or enormous losers trying to relive high school

>>377051136
SMT is harder as a result of more depth. Imagine if you had to pick and fuse every party member and keep doing it the whole game like you do with your own persona. Because you have greater party control they know you can make a stronger party so the game is harder as a result. On top of that you can stack buffs up to three times instead of just once and press turn system.

This stuff isn't true for anything before SMT: Nocturne however everything else below this is true of pretty much every SMT game.

SMT games generally have darker plots whereas the end of the world is approaching in Persona in SMT it's usually already happened. Because of that the games sometimes even go into sci-fi and cyberpunk territory that's super interesting. In general I like that end of teh world atmosphere more. Part of it is just personal taste, I like apocalypse stuff.

>>377057169
You know I had a sentence in my post where I mentioned that but ti wasn't worded well so I deleted it and forgot to add it back in. It really is a unique and well thought out system that gives long fights a great deal of depth.

>>377057169
I love Press Turn, but I wish you could guard. You could do that in DDS and it replaced passing your turn, if I remember right, but I would like to just be able to guard and have it take up a turn, while also having the option of passing your turn for half a turn.

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>kaneko has given up on SMT ages ago
>smtards still haven't

>>377057432
>Flowery meadow
>vs working on video games

He did the right choice

>>377051136
Persona is social sim/dungeon crawler. Mainline is just dungeon crawler. They have different systems of combat but both are the same shit. Your party are just support while the MC are the primary source of damage.

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Leave Persona to me

>>377057904
Has Yukiko accepted that she's worst girl and is now using her powers to destroy SMT from the inside?

>>377055797
>Kill all your friends and punch god in the face
SMT4A was terrible and you punching something calling itself God happens in 90% of the games in both franchises.

>>377058282
>SMT4A was terrible
False.

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I don't have to sit through social links at all. Shit gets tiring when sometimes you couldn't give two shits about whoever you're hanging out with and then they barely matter to the plot.

You only punch YVHV in two games though

>>377058876
Why is that guy sitting around with a bunch of 12 yr old girls?

>>377056904

When I saw that beach DLC I thought it was fanart. Doesn't Navarre just randomly get a body or something? It was more Persona than Persona 5.

>>377059658
The power of Persona 4 models my friend.

>>377059850
>It was more Persona than Persona 5.
Love this meme.

Does anyone have that image with a stickfigure-ish man and his varying reactions to video games? One of them was, OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD and THANK YOU GOD THIS IS FUCKING PERFECT.

>>377060852
Forgot to mention after beating like 15 SMT games I want to make one for SMT.

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>>377051136
I enjoy both, for different reasons.

Persona, because I have no friends in real life, and SMT so I can claim the world in Lucifer's own glory.

I like both.

SMT was wasted on the DS.

Favorite SMT games faggots?
DeSu OC for me but I am a srpg fag. For something more traditional I would say Nocturne, SJ or IV. Mainly becuase these games have one flaw, that hurts then from being the best of all time. Eception being DeSu OC since, its perfect.

>>377051136
why not try playing it for yourself

>>377051336
this

>>377051336
This. But to me, P5's VN shit was kinda enterning since other then the KND and the local school shooter, its all old people and you can't just be their ear and tell them what they want to hear and BAM they live happily ever after. You have to remove some obstacle in their path for them to be happy.

Everyone gushes over their Pixies and their Trumpeters but I don't feel close to any of my demons. I don't even bother remembering their names, I just think of them as "this one has Zionga and lightning boost", "this one has Madiarama" ect. Am I weird? :(

>>377051136
SMT doesn't make me hang out with people i don't give a shit about to unlock demons

>>377051136
I like both but I don't like when SMT tries to be Persona like IVA did.

>>377063074
Play more SMT and you'll start to like some more than others

>>377063074
I only feel close to my demons in the late game where you start having a lot of control to make autistically good, perfectly crafted demons that also look really cool.

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>>377063310
That's what Apocalypse so good though.

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>>377058876
Man Kanji is the fucking best

>>377061968
Yeah, I enjoy the games on the DS, but the system their on doesn't do them any favors. I probably would have like the new designs in II a lot more if I didn't have to look at them, detailed as they are, on such a low resolution screen.

>>377056330
Then how come it was two separate generals?

>>377051136
Combat system is slightly better
Your team being composed of whatever demons you want instead of pre set characters is much better.

>>377063310
I actually didn't mind it a whole bunch up until bananacakes sells you out, and then it became real apparent what daddy Dagda was talking about. His fate in Bonds was pretty shitty too.

>>377062146
DeSu. Both of them.
SMT1
Nocturne

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>>377062146
I'm probably the world's only huge fan of TMS#FE, I love everything about it although I wish it had a little more depth. I really hope it gets a sequel, maybe with alignments and alternate endings like mainline.
IV is probably my favorite mainline SMT, the only one I haven't played is II. The atmosphere is a cut above the rest, and IV:A killed that a little.
Other than that I really like Soul Hackers, and from what I've played of it DDS is pretty cool. PQ and P5 are good too but I can't get down with P3 and P4 having procedurally generated dungeons. I'll play P1 and P2 eventually, I'm sure they're good.

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GET YOUR FUCKING DATING SIM GARBAGE OUT OF MY RESPECTABLE SERIES!!!!!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>377066074
> maybe with alignments and alternate endings like mainline.
top fucking kek. I can not see some Atlus making a sequel to some shitty Idol game that sold like shit and then adding, actual mainline stuff. Also I said SMT games anon, #FE us bit SMT. They scrapped the crossover part shortly after the trailer and instead is just a "what if Atlus made a FE game". As a fan of both this kills me. And yea P1 and P2 are great

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>>377066074
I see you like to live dangerously.

>>377066430
what the fuck was this guys problem?

>>377066660
Alright, you can fucking kill youself you fucking baby. #FE is a good game and it IS a crossover even if you're too retarded to believe it.

>>377066074
The only good thing about #FE is the session system and dungeon design. Which should have been used for a different spinoff or Persona 5.

>>377066660
what's funny is that both SMT and FE as series are suffering from the same problems (over weebification and moe-ism) and #FE took those problems and made them 10000x worse than anything either series had previously seen to an unbelievable extent. They also advertised that as a crossover and ditched that to turn it into something that only crossed over in the sense that it severely agitated two fanbases at once.

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This is your average SMTfag

>>377066917
>if you're too retarded to believe it.
A jack frost vending machine and the names of SMT spells does not make it a crossover anon. If you like Idolshit then whatever but don't be telling me its a crossover. I see FE characters but I do not see a single SMT character. #FE fans are cancer

>>377067154
Yes I agree but maybe echoes will be different? And DSJ's new "waifu" seems to be mature and not a moeblob like Asahi. No one would be bitching if she was wearing a demonica I feel and I agree with that as well. She does have a sci fi look but a different king od Sci-fi. I am optimistic.

Are the original snes games worth playing still?

>>377067462
it looks like under her weird red coat she might be wearing a black demonica.

>>377067520
SMT2 yes, SMT1 no.

>>377067520
why dont you try them out instead of asking

>>377067340
>its the idiot who thinks you need to have characters to be a crossover
I'm not talking to you, you're beneath me.

>>377067520
Yes.

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>>377060237
But its not a meme. IV:A was more Persona than Persona 5, and Persona 5 was more SMT than IV:A.
What's there not to get?

>>377067657
The part where you're exaggerating like a nigger. Last I checked IV:A wasn't 80% time management

>>377051136
Slightly related

Do someone else also finds douche Minato and Adachi to be somewhat alike?

I mean, laughing over a broken hearted and crying Kenji feels like something Adachi would do as well many other options you can answer to the S.links

And also, in the mainland smt
Are your friends already psychos waiting to get power or is it getting them what flips them to full Law/Chaos-fags?

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>>377067602
>Crossovers in video games occur when otherwise separated fictional characters, stories, settings, universes, or media in a video game meet and interact with each other.

I do not give a fuck if you like some shitty Idolshit game or whatever. But don't say its a crossover when its not.

>>377067768
>Are your friends already psychos waiting to get power or is it getting them what flips them to full Law/Chaos-fags?
Definitely the latter

>>377067827
It is a crossover and you can cry about it all you want but that won't change.

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>>377051136
>tfw love both and played Persona 1-5 and like 7 SMT games

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>>377067827
>replying to #FEshitters

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>>377067963
I gave you the definition of crossover and its clear as day that #FE does not do a single thing what a crossover does. And I thought I was beneath talking to what happend to that?

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>>377067761
By that I mean IV:A has more character elements of Persona than SMT
>Power of friendship
>One legitimately happy ending
>Characters that dickride you all game
>Three girls that exist solely for you to waifu with dialogue that doesn't matter more than half the time
>etc.
While Persona 5 has more story and gameplay elements of SMT than Persona
>Guns and gun skills returning
>Dilemma of whether stealing hearts is right or not, brought up multiple times by multiple people
>The ending having angels
>Demiurge / Yaldabaoth
>Shido is influenced by all this to the point where he selfishly believes he is chosen by God, i.e. a lawfag
>both final dungeons are reminiscent of SMT in atmosphere and music
>the idea of a collective having power and using it to unconsciously fuck themselves over is somewhat of an SMT idea
>pretty much all the Confidants are dealing with fucked up shit, much more so than Persona 3 and 4
>etc.
I'm not shitting on your opinion or statement. There's actual room for discussion about this topic after all.

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>>377063872
>Your team being composed of whatever demons you want instead of pre set characters is much better.
Wrong.

>377068186
>I gave you the definition of crossover and its clear as day that #FE does not do a single thing what a crossover does.
And I gave you one last reply when you didn't realize you proved yourself wrong with your own retarded definition. I'd let you figure it out but you're too stupid so I'll just tell you it's the universes you fucking dumbshit.

>>377068347
In DDS you can completely customize your goons though. I think that is what he meant. I wish nu-persona allowed you to do that still.

>>377068371
>you are dumb
Amazing counterpoint.

>377068517
>doesnt even notice that i told him WHY he's wrong
Congrats, you've officially just made a fool of yourself.

>>377068328
>Dilemma of whether stealing hearts is right or not, brought up multiple times by multiple people

The fuck you on? Only Akechi said this and guess what? He was faking. There's a reason all the targets except sae and squid were 1 dimensionally evil

>>377068347
The gameplay in mainline is better than in DDS for the most part though.

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>>377068752
It was brought up early in game around Kamoshida's dungeon. Yusuke brings up the idea again after Madarame's. Akechi brings it up like you said. The dilemma is brought up yet again during the Prison of Regression, despite it being the end of the game. That's 4 different times right there that we got. Anything else Anon?

>Talking shit about Itsuki
Nigga i'll fuck you up

>>377068432
>I wish nu-persona allowed you to do that still.
Wait do P1 and P2 let you customize party members like DDS does?

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>>377069008
No need to talk shit about him. He slipped on his own shitty puns, and look where that got him? The ground. :^)

>>377066901
you.

>>377068714
Ok anon, how is #FE universe a crossover with SMT AND FE? The universe of SMT have certain and distinct things in it likewise with FE. I do not see any SMT in #FE. Save for a vending machine.

>>377068347
Ive never actually played DDS but arent the characters in that game more customizable than persona ones?
>>377069125
I believe that party members could change personas back then or so Ive heard.

>>377069004
Yeah but there wasn't a single person genuinely apposing them through the game that actually made them question their actions, hardly a dilemma

>>377069125
Yes you can give them personas.

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>>377069329
DDS gives you the Sphere Grid from FFX but doesn't restrict characters down paths, obviously though you wouldn't want to have Argilla focus on Physical and Heat focus on Magic.

>>377068328
Persona 5 literally ends on the power of friendship like 3/4. No one relevant in Persona 5 even dies. Nothing in 5 is on the same level as the Anarchy YHVH fight.

>>377069563
He's right though.

>>377069329
In P1 and P2, the cast had more than one persona they can change to with in a few arcana.

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>>377069563
Well Dagda is right.

>>377069563
Real talk. Based.

>>377069642
>P5 ends with power of friendship
Felt like more the power of humanity/twitter polls tbqwhu

Wish I had my Gurren Lagan jack frost still. Anyone mind posting it if they have it?

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This thread is now mothman.

>>377069563
Dadga is literally the most redpilled character in gaming.

>>377069845
Fuck you Mothman. Get out of my threads

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>>377069862
>Dadga is literally the most redpilled character in gaming.
Nah.

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>>377069845
Peak Kaneko

>>377069772
Still power of friendship. Than again the 5 cast are barely friends so maybe you're right.

>>377069351
> hey guys I didn't play the game
Try harder

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>>377069897
Mothman endured

>>377068432
>In DDS you can completely customize your goons though
Eh not exactly, they still have their own stat growths and weaknesses/resistances. You can slap on any moves though.

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>>377069563

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Who would win in a fight between one Frost Ace and a thousand Mothmans? I should remind you that Frost Ace earned his title as a hee-ro.

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>>377069563
Is this intentional bait and am I supposed to be disagreeing here?
Because this is 100% right. It's fact.

>>377069972
>Than again the 5 cast are barely friends
They contain all their friendly chatter to mementos banter, so they're still friends even if the game doesn't do a good job of showing it.

>>377069972
> cast are barely friends
I disagree but more importantly why do Personafags find this to be a negative? Like how P5 cast interacted with eachother way more then P4 and how overly tropy it can be sometimes.
>What are you looking at b-baka?
vs
>Teases you for being a horndog
Shit was refreshing.

>>377070145
Depends on the magic both sides have. Weakness exploits wins.

>>377069985
It's true though, not one genuine person opposed your methods, the only other guy was a lunatic murderer with daddy issues.

>>377070145
The only multi hit move he knows is fucking purple smoke so he's pretty fucked.

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>>377068347
Do people like the cast of DDS? I think Gale is one of the best characters in MegaTen, but the rest would be forgettable if not for the twist about how they got their personalities. None of them are bad, Gale's just the only one that's worth talking about, Cielo and Roland are fairly okay too.

>>377070352
The fact that the Phantom Thieves question their methods and motives at all puts it above Persona 3 and 4. You barely get that sort of self-awareness with any JRPG cast nowadays. The fact that its consistent and brought up multiple times just makes it better.

>>377070478
Gale's good, Heat's a cuck, Cielo is fine but his dub accent can get annoying, Argilla was fine since every story about cannibals needs a moralfag.

>>377070478
Seraph is best smt girl.

>>377070478
>I think Gale is one of the best characters in MegaTen
Agree. I don't find anything wrong with the guy, being logical first and emotions second. He's my favorite strategist. Cielo and Gale combo is a manzai duo.

>>377070385
But he's got justice on his side.

Persona is SMT

>>377070905
It's MT, but it is not SMT.

>>377070507
It's pointless to make them question it since all the villains are cartoon tier evil.
Which makes it a non debatable.

>>377071034
The game does make a point out of how far gone you need to be to get a palace, which is sort of thrown out of the window with them ignoring Sae's palace treasure yet still managing to change her enough by just chatting with her shadow a bit and in the interrogation room.

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>>377070967
This

I have not finished P1 but after I do I plan to beat P2EP as well

>>377071193
They did take Sae's palaces treasure though.

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>>377071231
>Not liking Nozomi in IV:A

>>377071351
No they didn't, they pretended to take it to fool Akechi but their stunt of faking Joker's death relied on Sae still having her palace up and running, they had her create a cognitive Joker inside the police station in her palace (which was pointed out to look exactly the same as the real life one as you entered the casino next to it).

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>>377071426
Being hot can only take you so far homeslice

>>377071426
She makes my peepee feel funny but fuck her betrayal.

>>377071426
Homeslice went bananacakes.

>>377070507
>The fact that the Phantom Thieves question their methods and motives at all puts it above Persona 3 and 4

I don't care about the others for fuck sake, the game lacked a real antagonist that made the team really question their actions or was in a real dilemma situation. If in anything the game did everything to push that there was nothing wrong with brainwashing by making the only guy who had sense to oppose the method be the same guy that justifies the actions. It was too one sided

>yfw SMT HD releases on PS4 and all those people who bought Persona buy and
>they all get pissed that its too hard and is missing the dating sim elements

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>>377070867
Justice is meaningless in a world of STR

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>>377071231
>DeSu 2
>Soul Hackers
>not garbage

>>377070216
Mementos banter is trash because you have to go through Mementos for it.

>>377070325
Because character interaction one the main appeal of the series? Comparing 5's cast to 2 and 4, or even 3 makes everyone in 5 feel like strangers.

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>>377071840
>Mementos banter is trash
Without it you'd never learn Haru is a closet sadist though.
What really sucks is that any and all actions you do interrupt the dialog during Mementos.

>>377071739
the cast of DeSu2 is rather tropy but everything else is fine so fug off.
>Hating on SH
why? It felt very reminiscent of the Classic SNES titles.

>>377056904
>but I hope that ATLUS don't try to pull in the Persona audience again like they did with SMT IV:A.
But they didn't.

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>>377071998
But they did.

>>377071895
They should have random chatter in saferooms, such a good place to have it yet they didn't think of putting it there.

>>377071895
No, I think it's good. It just you have to spend time in Mementos for it and should have been part of the main game.

>>377072083
>dream sequence

>>377071998
Call what they did with the tone of SMT IV:A whatever you want, i just don't want them to do it again.

>>377071897
>the cast of DeSu2 is rather tropy but everything else is fine so fug off.

Story was 10 times worse

The only good thing about soul hackers was it's side content, literally everything else sucked ass in the game

>>377071193
They changed Mishimas heart just by talking to his Shadow, they changed futabas heart before they found her treasure, and Okumuras palace started breaking before they managed to get his treasure. Just defeating the shadow is enough to change them, the treasure is just the physical manifestation of what changed them.
Unrelated, but I always found it strange that you can finish okumuras dungeon as soon as possible, and you see the traitor shooting his shadow, and yet he somehow doesn't die till his confession, even though his palace was destroyed almost a month ago, I guess it's just like akechi coming to arrest you after fighting him in shidos dunegeon if you fail it.

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>>377071840
>you have to go through Mementos for it
But that's one of the main part. It's better than climbing Tartarus, Tower of Kagutsuchi or Karma Temple (and I fucking love Karma Temple's AESTHETICS)

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>>377072236
>Tower of Kagutsuchi
JUST
U
S
T

Do you have the Mementos dialog where Haru says something about getting a thrill from the shadows crying for help?

>>377072236
I swear the music of the Karma Temple made me hold my sanity with those fucking wall teleports.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlCHdONvgQk

>>377072083
In non canon DLC?
I don't think you know what Persona is.

>>377072189
>They changed Mishimas heart just by talking to his Shadow
He was a Mementos shadow, those are far less gone
>they changed futabas heart before they found her treasure
She changed her own heart by confronting her shadow, sort of like what every P4 character went through
>Okumura's palace started breaking before they managed to get his treasure
I can't remember that scene very well but I thought they already had it in their hands.

>Unrelated, but I always found it strange that you can finish okumuras dungeon as soon as possible, and you see the traitor shooting his shadow, and yet he somehow doesn't die till his confession, even though his palace was destroyed almost a month ago, I guess it's just like akechi coming to arrest you after fighting him in shidos dunegeon if you fail it.

Yeah that was pretty much a case of game plot not being able to mesh well with the chapter structure, with Sae they forced you to send the calling card at the last minute but with Okumura they couldn't do that nor could they just take away all the spare days you had before the deadline.

Be honest, /v/.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12966740

>>377072236
Problem was that too often you got repeated conversations and Akechi had a few conversations when he was only available for a single dungeon.

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>>377071426
I didn't even blink when I gave her release on the end of my blade. Dagda was right about everything and even if he wasn't I'd still kill her.

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>>377072354
This one ?

>>377072165
>the tone

I dont see it, the tone was the same as IV and Nocturne.

>>377072830
Most people who talk of the tone in comparison to Persona either go by the DLC or by the placement of the story

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>>377072736
>Akechi had a few conversations
And fucking nothing of value was lost. I don't care for that guy.

>>377072830
It was like the worst parts of IV, in terms of tone, throughout the whole game. Like when Isabeau goes "lalalala I can't hear you" to Lilith, but instead of it just being a one off thing it keeps happening over and over and over again.

>>377072804
Yup thanks.
I see you have them numbered, assuming you have them all, how many are there?

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Persona 5 genuinely insulted my intelligence

>>377073096
Yeah, and you also had the first time you met Yaso Magatsuhi, jonathan and walter sneaking up on isabeau at the beginning, isabeau slutshaming hikaru, that dumbass trap door thing the gaeans prepared specifically for you...

4 in general was very good about having lots of odd or funny moments while also having some truly horrifying stuff without too much mood whiplash. apoc doesn't do as a good job with the mood whiplash (like how the music in kinschicho is still happy as fuck after asahi's dad dies) but it still keeps a pretty similar tone.

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HMMMM

>>377073189
It has to, most of the people who play it are stupid. Half of the people here think that Persona 5's ending was an asspull.

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>>377073558
Leave Persona to me

>>377073558
What about it?

>>377073459
Those character interactions aren't common though. Compare it to IV:A where in every story event, minor or major, they have a moment like that. The feel of the world is the same, because it just is the same wolrd and it mostly has the same music, but it's obstructed by the tropey character interactions.

>>377068058
It is a glorious feel especially if you're a jrpg fag

>>377073736
Those reused P5 assets will surely stop persona.

>>377073561
Yeah I still can't believe that there are two camps arguing about the story for being obvious AND having asspulls. Foreshadowing be damned.

>>377073128
I got most of them from THAT site. Not many though.
https://joker-arewethereyet.tumblr.com/tagged/haru-okumura
inb4 >tumblr

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>>377063721

WARNING: WAIFUFAG TRIGGER

>>377073960
Cool thanks, I feel like I missed a lot of it since like I mentioned earlier the dialog is interrupted by an remedial task you do while in Mementos.

>>377073798
Not him but you're stretching it a bit. Those interactions didn't happen every story event. There's a bunch of serious moments in IV:A.

>>377073740
Personafags can't deal with a better game than the one on their system.

>>377073941
>Those reused P5 assets will surely stop persona.
P3 and 4 reused Nocturne assets so it's okay.

>>377069946
>I'm gonna gas all those Al-Bhed subhumans!

How the fuck did Squaresoft get away with that? Holy shit.

>>377051136
I don't hate Persona, I think it is a necessary evil to keep Atlus and SMT games alive. Outside of that I don't really care about Persona games, though. Never saw the appeal of Persona games and probably never will.

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>>377074240
>mainline LITERALLY has to leech off persona JUST to survive
KEK

>>377073960
Asspull is the wrong word to use, people should be arguing that the game would have ended better if it ended after defeating Shido. I can actually agree with that, but the game spends a ton of time trying to tell you there's something up with the Velvet room and that getting to the bottom of Mememtos is important. Shido's palace doesn't answer either of those questions.

Since shadows are back to being demons, does this mean Ideal energy levels are up and Philemon will be back by persona 6?

>>377074174
There are, but those are still extremely common events. I'm not even a big detractor of the game, I think the cast was completely tolerable for the most part, but their interactions and dialogue are lighthearted, and lighthearted so often that it ligntens the tone of the game on the whole.

>>377073798
>every
Okay.

So you're saying it happens when
>you release krishna
>flynn gets captured by the divine powers
>krishna exposes what you are and what you did to your teammates
>asahi's dad dies
>asahi has her moment of reconciliation with the group
>asahi dies
...and so on. People exaggerate all the bad writing (and just every little detail in final in general) and it's annoying.

>>377074402
They're basically japanese life sims before anything else. If you have an active life its just boring. For weebs its the only interaction they get.

>>377074492
And it also had to explain why Igor gave Akechi the navigator app since he was the one who made and distributed it.

>>377074498
They aren't as common as you've been lead to believe. With that said it is more common than SMT4 simply because you have an entirely different perspective from people who were born and raised in a post apocalyptic environment.

I'm just happy to get a new atlus game that isn't just a dating sim.

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>>377073558
FUCKING PERSONACHADS
REEEEEEEEE

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>>377074496
>Philemon will be back by persona 6?
P5 is the first game to not have Philemon in it at all, at this point I think he's gone anon.

>>377074757
What game?

>>377074868
But my ideal energy and kegare readings show that the forecast for Persona 6 is cloudy with a chance of Philemon fucking everything up.

>>377074601
Yes. Earlier in the game "Igor" tells you he can give the navigation app to anyone who might help Joker. However Akechi has it. The twins start questioning Igor and are confused about who wrote the list they're reading off of. Igor doesn't do any actual fusion, he has the twins do it etc.

>>377074868
Igor's VA is dead and the solution is P5's "final twist". They have to put Philemon back in P6. I miss Belladonna and Demon painter.

>>377074762
What was Hikawa's problem again?

>>377074734
All I can say is that I found them common enough that it took away from the atmosphere and tone of the game, which is usually something I'm very satisfied in MegaTen games. Clearly they didn't for you, but it was far too much for my liking.

>>377075076
He really liked clocks and wanted to make a universe where everyone was a gear.

>>377074367
that gave me a chuckle

>>377075117
Its more that it took away from your idea of what the tone should be rather than what it is.

>>377074486
I just said Persona did the same thing.

>>377074868
Literally appears at the end of the game. Stop saying this.

>>377075327
Yes, and I don't think the tone they went for was fitting for that game ajd having the mix of the tone set by SMT IV, which was in place from having the same areas and music, and the tone set by the story and characters which was unlike the tone of IV caused the game to feel like it was in conflict with itself. It wasn't a lighthearted and fun journey nor was it an oppressive and heavy atmosphere. It was just a half-baked combination if the two that didn't satisy in any way.

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Is it normal that I want to kill YHVH because I hate his universe so much? This place is way too fucking big. I thought that the Tower of Kagutsuchi in Nocturne could be a bitch on some floors, but fuck this place. YHVH deserves death for this.

>>377075698
I just wish YHVH dungeon was not so fucking boring to look at and the OST was not so dull as well

>>377069845
Be my friend you moth fuck.

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>>377051336
This. I play SMT games because I just enjoy the combat, fusing, negotiations, and overall atmosphere of the series. It's not like the stories are overwhelmingly good but I still enjoy them. I get tired of Persona after some time because I don't really care for the characters or their antics. I got about 40 hours into P5 but just didn't feel any desire to keep playing, and the same thing happened in 4, with 3 being the only Persona game I've beaten. Never played 1 or 2, but they don't interest me too much either. I don't hate the games, but I also don't really get the overwhelming praise for them.

>>377062146
SMT II
It's the best
No other opinions will change my mind. SMT:IMAGINE comes in a close second place but just because of those massive dungeons you would have to grind days for just to run once with your tight knit group.

>>377076003
Give 2 a go if you haven't. Sure, you play high schoolers, in IS that is, but in a way it reminded me of Raidou in modern times with how you're mostly walking around town and investigating shit. It got demon conversations too since you like being asked for 9999 macca after telling you them that you don't have a 100.

Not sure about the 1st game, didn't get far, but hospital was pretty good.

>>377076736
I've been thinking about trying them out once I beat Devil Survivor 2 which I just got around to. What's the best way to emulate PSX or PSP version?

>>377076810
PSP has a fast forward so i'd go for that. Personally i went with PSX but it was very slow.

With EP you don't have a choice far as i know.

>>377058282
You can kill all your friends in Nocturne as well

>>377077214
>Implying those two joyless fucks were ever friendly

>>377077364
It's canon that Demifiend and Chiaki were romantic.

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>>377077030
Alright cool I'll check it out then. Thanks anon

>>377077425
So why did you chase after your teacher more than Chiaki?

>>377077425
>drama CD
>canon

>>377077557
>Drama CD
>Not canon

No Vita port.

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>>377076003
As someone who started with P3Fes I respect your opinion and your taste for picking that image.

>>377077512
Because Chiaki is a strong, independent womin :^)

>>377077425
>betafiend
>romance

>>377051136
Battle system and atmosphere

>>377077653
It's only canon in one of the worst timelines. True canon is Yuko.

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>>377051136
>friends

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>>377074734
I agree with this anon.

The perspective is very different in IV:A , but even with the lighthearted moments (they're few ) the tone is still obscure.

Your teamates are dealing with their own shit, the way the Polytheist alliance is portrayed is very good (to me was like if Krishna really expects that Nanashi kill his comrades in order to make his vision of Salvation and in contrast the solution that Dagda offers) and yet you're in the middle but nobody cares a shit of you (because no one thinks you can be a game changer) the tone becomes more extremist further in the story.

Well that's my opinion.

>>377075550
Where?

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Was he the Messiah?
Chaos best ending

>>377051136
Its older, so some branch of autismos immediately seen their preferences as superior by merely liking it, and wont stop trying to elevate their spin off series.

>>377051136
Shin Megami Tensei = 15yo hipsters
Persona = normies

>>377080691
incorrect
Nocturnefags - 15 yo hipsters
Personafags that only play P3-P5 and nothing else - falseflagging faggots
Enlightened fatluses that enjoy the best of persona and SMT - gods

>>377051136
Who's the loli lying on Demifiend?

>>377079534
When the Velvet Room disappears.

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>>377080785
>neutralfags

>>377051136

They're more so for the hardcore audience who like more in depths mechanics and focus on gameplay/atmosphere over story. Pressing X for 10-20 minutes of cutscenes gets old fast in persona,

I just wanna play the game not go through huge sections of talking to characters that I don't care about.

>>377080785
>gods
hipster detected

>>377080878
kid louis cypher from nocturne I'm guessing

>>377080963
stephen and nanashi are the most powerful humans in the series, and they're both neutralfags.

I think i know who i'm sticking with.

>>377081647
>hipster detected
asshurt nocturnebabby or personababby detected.

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Hey any of you kids seen Yukiko around?

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>>377082813
That's a very suspicious sentence for a grown man like you to say.

>>377051136
Is SMT 5 going to be on the ps4? Persona 5 was my first game and i enjoyed it but I do not want to buy a switch just for SMT 5

Because SMT fans are ass mad babies pissed that Atlus drops most of their money on Persona now.

I like both personally though I hated SMT IV.

SMT is more gameplay and tactics focused then Persona and the story usually revolves around the idea of beliefs rather than "muh bonds make me stronger" sans Apocalypse which had some endings like that although at least you could choose to kill yer friends.
Also stackable buffs/debuffs and evolving demons is cool.

>>377083469
>I hated SMT IV.
Why?

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>>377084965