What went so terribly wrong?

nothing went terribly wrong, some thing could've been done better but that doesn't stop it from being one of the best RPG games that came out in a long long time

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>>377044752
oh, this thread again

nothing it's literally perfect.

>>377044752
Therapy for your autism.

>I posted it again!

Detective Mode is everything wrong with this game.

>>377044951
>fanboys swarming metacritic meaning anything

Let's be perfectly honest, the game had a decent story, nothing more. It had retarded blues clues missions and the combat was completely forgettable. Its open world didnt add anything to the game.

It had great atmosphere, graphics and environments, thats about it.

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>>377044752
Downgrade and no map editor.

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>>377044752
Good game but doesn't hold a candle to Gothic

>>377045215
>story forgetable
topkek

>>377045215
witcher 3 has a superb story not "decent". as for the rest you described those are the criteria RPGs are usually judged for the most. i doubt you can name a single RPG that has an exceptionally amazing combat. witcher didn't fall behind anything we are already experienced before at the very least

Witcher-kun go to bed

>>377044752
You

>>377045398

Gothic 2 is in my top 10 games but you're still a dumb cunt for posting this

>>377045442
Read it again, my dear anon.

In all honesty, what compels someone to spend this much of their finite amount of time on Earth trying to convince people to dislike a piece of media?

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The fan-boys are compete cancer

>>377045442
The story basically involves following some dumb white haired bimbo around and being forced to do long winded quests just to get information that may help lead to her whereabouts. That's half the game right there. This is very contrived and not evidence of good writing.

The witcher 2 actually had an intelligent and engaging political drama, and the DLC Hearts of stone was actually one of the best written stories I've seen in games.

Witcher 3's story was mediocre at best.

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All the females have the same body model with different skins.

>>377044752
Its a good game you're only making yourself look like a turbo autist

Witcher 3 has way too much filler. Whereas 2 had a superb balance of side quests, explorable but tight areas, and a tight knit story.

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>>377045883
> The story basically involves following some dumb white haired bimbo

>>377045484
Nier Automata's combat is much more engaging than witcher 3's.

>>377044752
>INB4 Muh combat
The first Witchers combat is hilariously bad.

>>377046051
It was an alright feeling using group style to kill everything.

W1 was great, but W2 is horrible so far. Send help.

>>377045920
SOOOOUUUURCEEEEE!!!!@@111
Please.

>>377046213
W2 has the best story of all 3 games and your decisions actually meaningfully impact the game and you can bang triss in the forest.

The only thing wrong with The Witcher 3 is the underwhelming combat that doesn't offer anything new outside of the very first fight involving the ghouls. Most of the abilities you get are passive, and it isn't very exciting when you level up because you know the only thing you'll get is a damage buff or something.

There's hardly any evolution to the combat because of this. Other than this, The Witcher 3 is a 10/10 game.

>>377045398
Shit fetch quests full of bland forgettable NPC's with cringey voice acting: the game

>But look you have to read 5 paragraphs and figure out where to go to fetch the item! It's fun!

I'd rather follow the red trail and have well written well voice acted memorable npc's with good storylines (except the second half of the main w3 quest which was shit but still miles better than gothic 2s evil dragon dogshit)

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Downgrade.
Repetitive quests
Combat still sucks drizzling shits
Plagiarism

>>377046309
Not him, but it's Evelyn Claire

>>377045215

Witcher 3's story was fucking great. A personal story about a man trying to find, protect, and bond with his daughter while tackling demons from his past along the way. That was refreshing.
Throw in some political intrigue and memorable side quests and you've got a solid 9/10 story.

I like the world. I like the plot. Love the characters for the most part. Monster slaying hunter/mercenary is great.
I've read a few of the Witcher books too.

But the combat is terrible.
Witcher 2 combat was terrible on hard mode because
>special execution
>people could attack you while you were in the execution cutscene
>custcene ends
>you are dead
In Witcher 3 they fix this by making it piss easy. Level up the thunderbolt potion and you can wait till rainy nights for boss fights.
The shield sign makes fights trivial. They had it in the earlier games but not as powerful.

Perhaps Geralt was getting stronger this entire time.

>>377044752
>No big battle for Novigrad between Nilfgaard and Redania

>No scene with the Wild Hunt attacking Novigrad so you can see that they're an actual threat instead of just a bunch of edgy elves who raid shitty villages.

>Literally nothing about fighting the Church of Eternal Fire even though the intro shows how they're planning something, you don't even get to see Hemmelfart

>>377044951
Why the fuck did you reply then?

>>377045215
>metacritic only means something when I say it does

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>>377046538
>Plagiarism

t. Razorfist

>>377046540
More here
>>376969560

>>377046540
Thank you!

>>377046636
>No scene with the Wild Hunt attacking Novigrad so you can see that they're an actual threat instead of just a bunch of edgy elves who raid shitty villages.

Except the wild hunt weren't a threat.
The entire reason they wanted Ciri was so they COULD be a threat.

Otherwise they acted exactly like they were supposed to from both The Witcher novels, as well as the real life folk lore.

>>377044869
FPBP

>>377046538
>Plagiarism
kek

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/archengeia/vi-MKVAOVj0

>>377046837
this girl is the newest meme huh? i see this desperate ho everywhere now.

>>377046886
If they weren't a threat then why the hell didn't Geralt have the big Wild Hunt attack happen in Vizima where Emeyr would have a bunch of troops ready to kick their ass?

Don't give me that "innocent people will die" crap either, I doubt Geralt really cares.

>>377046782
Review scores don't mean anything, no wonder Witcher-fags are a bunch of mindless drones.

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>10m+ copies sold
>most awarded game of ALL TIME
>93+ metacritic
>both expansions with a 90+ metascore
>expansion wins RPG of the year over games like Dark Souls 3 and FF15
>only out for 2 years but is already considered to be an all-time great, being placed #1 on PCGamer's top PC games of all time list, #5 in Game Informer's best RPG's of all time list, and #10 on IGN's best RPG's of all time list
>its minigame is now a full-fledged game with nearly 1 million players in CLOSED BETA, it's already the second most popular digital card game and it's not even in OPEN beta.
Literally nothing wrong wrong.

>>377046576
It's not even his daughter.
Ciri is literally a mary sue with super invincible powers and she is da chosen one hurr.

The different endings is the most contrived and disappointing bullshit I ever seen.
If I didn't play snowballs with Ciri this can lead to her dying in the final fight?

Absurd. I vastly preferred witcher 2's story, it was just more intelligent. Bit I guess the average brainlet prefers waifubait like ciri.

>>377045398
the past three days you've been gothic-posting, just give it a rest okay man.

>>377046886
CD Red dropped the ball with the Wild Hunt stuff. Bland generic saturday morning cartoon bad guys such a letdown compared to Letho.

>>377047170
>>only out for 2 years but is already considered to be an all-time great, being placed #1 on PCGamer's top PC games of all time list, #5 in Game Informer's best RPG's of all time list, and #10 on IGN's best RPG's of all time list

Jesus christ, gaming journalists hit new lows every year. It's disgusting.

>>377046981
Sapkowski is a lying shit without an original bone in his body. Reminder that he also hates you.
https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/a-no-bullshit-conversation-with-the-authors-behind-the-witcher-and-metro-2033
>>377046813
Nice try but i'm not and the polack did steal Elric.

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>>377047170
>Gwent

>>377047234
btfo in the last thread so he waited patiently the past 4 hours so he could start again.

I really wanna play this actually. I've been wondering if there's an open world game that can keep me immersed, this one seems like it could be it

>>377047070
Anon, you apologize to the nice lady for being so rude just now

>>377047343
>Nice try but i'm not and the polack did steal Elric.

I haven't read the Elric novels can I get a quick rundown?

>>377047278
They definitely cut down on some content. A lot of the third act feels very empty and rushed compared to the first third of the game. TW2 is an example of a game being completely gutted though. They cut an entire chapter from the game. TW2 would've been a legit 10/10 contender if we got to play the Dol Blathanna chapter.

>>377047764
>I haven't read the Elric novels can I get a quick rundown?
White haired spellsword travels the world taking every job he can find and focuses on taking down supernatural threats.
The major differences come from their backgrounds and motivations.
Elric is a self abdicated emperor of a sadistic Chaos worshiping elf-like race and wields a godlike vampiric, soul stealing sword that sustains him and causes him great grief.

>>377047764
>>377048112
That is the quick rundown.
Elric is responsible for all of Warhammer or at least, the Chaos portion of Warhammer and the concept of Dark elves/Drow.

>>377047180
> average brainlet prefers waifubait like ciri.
She's not the only waifu bait though, many people played it just to get to the next romance scene.

>>377047764
>>377048112
>>377048204
Don't forget. He's also known as The White Wolf. The first major character in fantasy fiction to be called that as well.

>>377047170
Anon stop, you are driving the sonybros and the weebshits to suicide. Dont you have a conscience?

>>377048291
> another reason why W3 is GOAT

>>377047353

Got some kind of problem with it?

>>377044869
>RPG

Awful combat, just the worst. And why didn't they use a scaling levelling system? I just love finding a quest at level 8 I can't do until level 35 and vice-versa. Exploration is dull and pointless as well.

Basically they nailed the feel/atmosphere of the world as well as most of the writing and fucked up every game part that they could. Only casuals who play one or two games a year thought the shitty gameplay in this was astounding.

>>377048653
> And why didn't they use a scaling levelling system

> options
> enable level scaling

kill yourself my man

>>377044752
I wish games like this did away with stats but gave you difficult new abilities you have to use to win like a platformer.

>>377044752

It got popular, so /v/ wasn't allowed to like it.

>>377048291
>westshitters appropriating a slavshit game as their own.

Seriously fuck off, a game like witcher 3 could never be made by a western dev.

>>377048653
Man you are the biggest retard. Please delete your comment holy shit

>>377044752
>Wrong
>>377048275
>Game is #5 on the top 100 RPGs of all time.

>>377049914
>RPG
It's an action/adventure game, you're not playing any different roles.

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>>377050012
> current state of nu /v/

Geralt has got to be the most boring protagonist ever. I've been just forcing myself to play and just skipping through the subquest that isn't waifu shit. But god. It's like modern bioware tripe. Why do people praise this for the story?

>>377050210
Adventure games have lots of dialogue choices that affect the outcome of the story, that's exactly what Witcher does. It's an action/adventure game.

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>>377044752
Nothing.

TW3 is the final form of the bloated open world trend Ubisoft started

The main story is boring but the sidequests are fun

>>377048545
Play the role of Geralt of Rivia, a witcher.

>>377050636
> The main story is boring

bull fucking shit. out of all the things you could say about W3 the story is the last part anyone should shit on

>>377048545
>Role
Geralt of Rivia
>Playing
You play the role
>Game
The thing you're playing

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Repetitive combat that gets really boring, really fast.
No meaningful exploration, since 90% of the quests are found on notice boards or really close to stores/fast travel signs.
Some asinine dialogue choices.
Witcher vision.
General lack of variety in terms of gameplay.

The game has some pretty great moments, but overall I just don't think that it was that good and I don't get the buzz around it.

>>377050887
You play the role of Mario, plumber from Brooklyn, in Super Mario Bros., it's a great RPG!

>>377050863
Ciri is just not that interesting.

But this was always a problem in Witcher games, even in TW1 i thought solving the noonwraith issue in Chapter 4 was way more interesting and impactful than some shithead magical child.

>>377050678
>Play the role of FIFA player in FIFA, a football player

>>377050925
> No meaningful exploration, since 90% of the quests are found on notice boards or really close to stores/fast travel signs.

this is not true. you can find quests on god forsaken islands in skellige but you probably didn't even bother

bet you didn't even do the roach side quest in BaW

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>>377050925
> memorable
This is what sets this game apart. Nothing was great but nothing was wrong, hence >>377050534
and all those GOTY.

>>377044752
naming this game rpg
it's a bretty solid polish vn

>>377051037
nice special snowflake opinion you have there. the rest of the planet thinks ciri is very interesting. and while chapter 4 of original witcher really was a good chapter you really should take the nostalgia googles off it wasn't anything that special

>>377044752
No 3rd Expansion

>>377046501
Of course reddit casuals prefer games where there's nothing remotely challenging.

>>377051275
The rest of the planet also likes Michael Bay's Transformers, you aint telling me shit.

Also if it really makes you feel better, Bloody Baron alone has more going for it than "muh hunt for a grown ass woman"

>>377047706

Any feedback on this?

The Witcher was better

>>377046501
>I'd rather follow the red trail and have well written well voice acted memorable npc's with good storylines
Videogames are incapable of having well written stories due to this industry being written exclusively by Sonic and MLP fanfiction-tier writers.
And if you put story ahead of gameplay in a videogame you should give suicide a chance.
Fortunately, more and more narrative focused, awful franchises like Mass Effect and MGS are dying left and right, just like they deserve.

>>377051114
>gets blacked
>suddenly posted everywhere
This site is full of literal cucks.

>>377051463
go play it already it's amazing

>>377051415
ciri is your daughter not some random women. and she's adorable and lovely

there is no shortage of people who thinks michael bay and transformers suck dick. ciri is universally loved even by people who generally dislike W3

>>377051463
Go play it if you don't like the first hour of it you're gonna hate the rest

>>377051463
Do you like a videogame composed exclusively of repetitive missions of scanning red clues, following red footsteps and following red smell trails?
That's what this game is completely made of.
It's the ultimate form of a Ubisoft open world game.

>>377051870
> first hour

most people will only get to it after getting out of white orchard. 4-6 hours in game if you aren't a pleb who skips exploring and side quests

>>377048545
Define RPG. Usually when I run into people like this get the idea that they're fresh off of Skyrim/Dark Soul's and nothing else.

Witcher 3, unlike the overwhelming bulk of so called RPG/JRPGs, actually allows the player to effect the narrative, which is really what a bunch of friends playing a tabletop game with a dungeon master and a roll of dice was all about.

>>377044752
The only thing that I thought was wrong was the abrupt ending to Djikstra's questline, pretty clearly rushed out the door.

>>377052013
>who skips exploring
What's the point of exploring when absolutely everything of interest, which in most cases are chests full of useless loot, and side quests that are mostly about just killing some monster that pay less than you get for selling two weapons?

>>377051758
>go play it already it's amazing

>Ciri is mai waifu uguu~ :3

In reality it's an extremely shallow action/RPG that's put on a pedestal because it has pretty graphics and sex.

>>377052016
>actually allows the player to effect the narrative
As much as Mass Effect 2.
TW3 does absolutely nothing new, and has a completely disastrous quest structure where it handholds you through absolutely everything.

>>377052085
there's a place of power with diagram for witcher gear. that will have you fighting your first wraith which is hard at very low levels. there are side mission that expand the lore on the redenia/nilfgaard war and the fate of temeria. also by that point you need to lot everything you find and there are some nice stuff to pick up for deserters

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>>377044752
A better open-world game, BOTW got released, rendering TW3 obsolete and making it looks like a fresh steamy turd in comparison with BOTW.

>>377052167
> i assume your characteristic based on the worst reason that could bring a person to like this game

ciri isn't my waifu. i'm a jaded gamer that hasn't really enjoyed gaming in a long long time because RPGs are my thing and we had nothing good going on in that field for years. i liked the characters and the story because it has everything an RPG story should have. you see ciri and think HURR CHOOSEN ONE MARY SUE like a cynical asshole i see a character that is geralt's adopted by choice daughter and a person with her own struggles and ambitions

>>377051086
> you can find quests on god forsaken islands in skellige
Sure you can, but how many of those quests are meaningful? Treasure hunt quests don't count.

>bet you didn't even do the roach side quest in BaW
It was pretty fun, though a lot of the jokes in that quest were pretty 9gag-tier.

>>377052016

Tabletop RPGs were one part story, one part gameplay, and even the story could be affected by gameplay, like performing certain checks or feats based on the role you've chosen to play, your stats, equipment, etc.

These new "RPGs" are story-focused with the gameplay usually left as an afterthought. Team composition is another aspect of RPGs largely lost on modern audiences older FF and DW/Q games focused on this. Choosing the roles your characters have both in and out of combat.

Witcher focuses on the narrative half but almost entirely drops the other half. You're always Geralt, he's always got the same backstory, he's got the same personality, your "builds" in the game do not affect gameplay or combat in any significant way, there are no"checks" so to speak, I'd argue Witcher is closer to an action/adventure game than a straight RPG. It's got some RPG elements, but they're pretty shallow. Just having dialogue choices and a skill tree doesn't automatically make a game an RPG, and if we assume it does I'd say it's simply a bad RPG.

>>377052174
I would sooner call that and Deus Ex RPGs than I would most of what people call RPGs as well. TW3 doesn't do much new but it does what it excels at very well; people like to bring up Gothic 2 but in terms of writing, music, and combat they really can't be compared.

Anyway, you still haven't mentioned what you'd actually consider an RPG.

>>377048653
Scaling levels is fucking awful and makes you feel like there's no sense of progress. Just drop the idea of levels if you're going to do that. Then drop the idea of scaling and focus on the potential to increase individual stats. As for combat, the idea that anyone's even bothering to compare it stuff like Dark Soul's, a game in which combat is the main appeal, is impressive by itself for an RPG.

>>377052565
It's a bad RPG because it has bad gameplay.

>>377052837
>Anyway, you still haven't mentioned what you'd actually consider an RPG.
Try responding to the right person.

>>377052753

>>377052542
its sweet that you think that my young naive child, but guess what! you'll grow up someday an see the world through different eyes so keep dreaming for now my sweet angel an talk to us again in about ten years when you hit puberty.

>>377045279
gotta admit, this one hurts the most.

>>377052653
if you judge quests as meaningful by a profit/time formula than most side quests are not very meaningful in any game. it's about the decision you have to make and the extra dialogue you get

i could not give a fuck about the leshen in the skellige village and life would go on as normal but i did give a shit because i wanted to choose my path

>>377052884
some of the most iconic and loved RPGs of all time had terrible terrible combat, as in being terrible even by term combat bad

and witcher's 3 combat isn't close to being that lame

>>377053000
consoles are to blame

>>377052837
>in terms of writing, music, and combat they really can't be compared
Out of those only combat matters.

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>>377051584
Why are you so upset?

>>377053107
>some of the most iconic and loved RPGs of all time had terrible terrible combat, as in being terrible even by term combat bad
That's nice.

I still think Witcher 3 is a poor RPG for all the reasons I've given you.

Video games should focus on what they can actually do well, gameplay.

>>377053210
go play fifa then and leave RPGs for people who actually enjoy a story

>>377052753
>These new "RPGs" are story-focused with the gameplay usually left as an afterthought. Team composition is another aspect of RPGs largely lost on modern audiences older FF and DW/Q games focused on this. Choosing the roles your characters have both in and out of combat.

Older FF and DW/Q games are the absolute posterboys for this. I'd grind, which is what it's called, through the random encounters and turn based combat, to get to the (linear) story before discovering books. All of these had defined characters but without the element of choice that the Witcher brings to the table. Sure, you're always Geralt, but you can be asshole Geralt who would let friends like Roche and Ves (and Ciri) die because its not his problem or a knight errant who doesn't even charge peasants for monster contracts.

>>377052987
fedoralord poet spotted

>>377053363
If you enjoy a videogame's story then maybe it's time you start watching other than Marvel superhero movies.

>>377053396
And those games were made decades ago, we can improve upon that now, not regress or ignore it.

>Sure, you're always Geralt, but you can be asshole Geralt who would let friends like Roche and Ves (and Ciri) die because its not his problem or a knight errant who doesn't even charge peasants for monster contracts.
Okay, but what if I want to play a different role in this so-called role-playing game?

ME2 had choices just as impactful and that game gets fucking blasted for being a bad RPG. FO4 has a voiced, predetermined protagonist and it also gets blasted for being a poor RPG. Why isn't Witcher subject to the same rules and scrutiny?

>>377053363
>I've never played a tabletop RPG

PROTIP: People don't play them because they want to "enjoy a story"

>>377052016
>actually allows the player to effect the narrative
>none of your choices from previous games matter
>every character you save fucks off for the rest of the game as if they were dead
>make one choice at the end of a questline that changes the slideshow at the epilogue


fuck off todd

>>377052016
Oh yeah, you can't through snowballs at Ciri and let her trash a lab which makes her come back from a portal she jumps into to stop something that according to the books nobody can stop and is inevitable.

>>377053727
i don't enjoy marvel superhero movies i enjoy more serious movies and books. it's true videogame will never be art like literature is but i can't actually choose my narrative when i read or watch something and RPGs let you do just that

this entire genre isn't for you

>>377053107
I judge quest as meaningful based on how long and involved they are, how much do I learn about the world from them or how many new locations do I have to explore to finish them. A simple 1/2 stage fetch quest can be fun, but it's not really meaningful ("The Volunteer" was a funny sidequest, but it wasn't meaningful and I wouldn't miss out on much if I skipped it).

>>377053978
>RPGs are for people who just want a story presented to them
No, you want cinematic experiences.

>>377053730
>Okay, but what if I want to play a different role in this so-called role-playing game?

Then you can play an RPG that allows you to play a different role, but those make up the minority of digital RPGs and generally fuck it up.

>ME2 had choices just as impactful and that game gets fucking blasted for being a bad RPG

I can't speak personally for any Mass Effect other than 1, but from what I hear 2 villainized you for anything other than Paragon.

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>>377051537
>Videogames are incapable of having well written stories

>>377053978
Art?
Fucking nobody cares about something being ''art'' aside from a bunch of teenagers who make meme pics like ''WE DON'T LE NEED MULTIPLAYER GAMES, WE LE NEED MORE LE GREAT STORIES''.
You can take a shit on a blank canvas and it will be considered art.
What i'm saying is that in an industry where TW3, TLOU or MGS are considered ''masterpieces'' no writer is going to bother because no one is going to appreciate it.
I mean, people consider the Bloody Baron to be good writing when it's just yet another family drama story.

> i can't actually choose my narrative
You can choose the ending of quests, and some things in the ending, nothing more, the game is going to play exactly the same everytime.
You will always need to find Ciri, you will always need to fight the Wild Hunt, you will always need to go kill Imlerith and the Crones with Ciri, you will always need to find the Sunstone.

>>377054180
again. you assume the worst about someone to have reality conform to your worldview. i can accept the fact some people don't like witcher 3 even though it's one of my favorites of all time but you can't seem to grasp someone would like it

you can decide the fate of emperors. ciri's. choose a romance. decide the fate of monsters and communities. is that all trash because it doesn't have as much combat as a wrestling game? bitch please

>>377054383
It's true, people even in /v/ have unironically praised MGS, a franchise built exclusively by ripping off countless 80's action blockbusters.

>>377054410
>is that all trash because it doesn't have as much combat as a wrestling game?
No, it's trash because story in videogames is nothing but an unnecesary extra and this one focuses completely on it.
Wouldn't have a problem if they were stories worth paying attention to, but they are not, and no, those stories having superhero movie-tier stories don't suddenly stop sucking because you can choose whether to bang the redhead or the bossy girl.

>>377054594
>No, it's trash because story in videogames is nothing but an unnecesary extra

t. Maddox

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>>377052987
Damn, how are we Witchertards and storycücks supposed to recover from this?

>>377054594
> No, it's trash because story in videogames is nothing but an unnecesary extra and this one focuses completely on it.

again then. why the fuck do you bother with RPGs if that is your opinion on videogames? go play mortal kombat or some other button mashing experience

>>377054359
>Then you can play an RPG that allows you to play a different role
Or maybe we could stop pretending Witcher is a good RPG and recognize the glaring flaws it has?

That's kind of the point of a RPG, to choose the role you play. This logic is along the same lines as MS's E3 2013 PR meltdown
>Don't have an internet connection? Buy a 360, faggot.

Again, any tabletop RPG offers depth in both storytelling and gameplay, why do video GAMES try to do the opposite of what they're actually good at and instead push for story when it's virtually impossible to get anywhere close to the depth of an actual table-top game with a human DM/equivalent?

Fuck, even the Japanese know how to make better western-style RPGs than the west, games Meme Souls and Dragon's Dogma focused on the strengths of their medium instead of trying to railroad the player with a story and illusions of choice. The depth in games comes from gameplay, not from presenting the player with a narrative they may or may not have an impact on.

>>377054410
You literally said
>but i can't actually choose my narrative when i read or watch something and RPGs let you do just that

You seem to care more about the narrative than anything else.

>>377054757
I'm not, i'm simply here to laugh at it, at the people who unironically think these stories are good while enjoying how other narrative focused games like Mass Effect and MGS finally die and rot.
All this focus on story has been a gigantic cancer in videogames.

>>377054706
And? He's right.

>4chan shitting on Maddux

What a time to be alive, things have truly changed.

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>>377053230
Why are there no blacks in Witcher?
did the Witchers kill them all?

>>377045883
Witcher 3 has political drama too nigger, but some of it is side quests which are longer than the whole of Witcher 2

>>377055016
What do you expect?
/v/ has been taken over by redditors for a long time ago.
Haven't you noticed the increase in reddit shit like
>*action*
>''OMG UR A CONTRARIAN HOW DARE YOU''
>''Hey guise, this FOTM twitch-bait game is truly the GOTY''

Not to mention people who unironically think videogame plots are anything but garbage.

>>377054903
in a RPG you make the choice you want to make but you also pay the toll for it. i killed the tree spirit but it costed the lives of the orphans. i would save them too if i could that would be a "cinematic experience". when you write down the script completely and that would be shit. i like to be in the shoes of a character and make the choices that i would've done. not to write the world entirely

>>377054982
mass effect died because it's lead by a group of idiots who trashed it. it could've been great and even today it still lives thanks to it's former glory

> stop liking what i don't like!

>>377053802
Yes they do. The entire opening to Changling the Dreaming is about how people have lost the ability to tell stories. The World of Darkness was conceived as a setting in which people could tell stories of personal horror, Dungeons and Dragons is Tolkein, and Call of Cthulu was created not to challenge people's fast twitch reactions but to tell narratives about powerless characters in a universe populated by omnipotent gods. Every one of those core books contains more worldbuilding than any given young adult novel on the shelf. No one complains about fluidity of combat because there is no combat as we know it in something like Dark Souls or Call of Duty or the Witcher; the primary benefit tabletop games have is that they allow you role play even more effectively because you can make choices and take the narrative in directions that don't need to be programmed in.

>>377053727
Marvel movies don't let you determine anything in the narrative.

>>377053837
Your choices from previous game determine whether or not some character are even alive.

>>377055323
>mass effect died because
I don't care, it's dead and it got what that franchise has deserved since 2008.

>>377044752
>800 awards
>Metacritic well over 9.0 on all platforms, both user and critic
>Steam user score is 98%
>CDPR's third game ever and first open-world title ever single handedly BTFO industry veterans like Bethesda and From Software
>two top tier expansions. Second one even won the RPG of the year award in 2016


So nothing went wrong.

>>377055398
> a franchise people liked deserved to die because i didn't like it

it's late night where i live and i've wasted enough time on your garbage bait and opinions. goodbye

>>377055459
So, you loved Skyrim?

>>377055016
>>377055316
Maddox I know you aren't relevant anymore but samefagging on /v/ is a new low.

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>>377055528
I don't care what you think, what matters is that I got what I wanted.
Mass Effect is dead, so is Metal Gear Solid, and hopefully all narrative-focused games will end up like ME Andromeda.

>>377055595
Excellent non-argument.

>>377055016
Maddox actually believes there's nothing wrong with being a literal cuckold.

>>377055657
Nice proxy Maddox you balding retard.

>>377055346
>Yes they do.
Let me roll to see if you're telling the truth, I'll make an insight or perception check based on the stats and role I chose when creating my character.
>18, with a bonus of 3
Nope, you're full of shit. People play them because they're GAMES, not because they just want to hear a story.

Video games don't come anywhere fucking close to matching the story or narrative-related choices you have in a tabletop RPG. They can, however, replicate the actual gameplay fairly well.

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>post 2005 RPGs

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you can replace fo4 with tw3 in this image and it would still apply. bland repetitive game that /v/ only likes because a long time ago CDPR mentioned possibly browsing here. if it was made by Ubisoft (which is what the game feels like) then the same people ITT praising it would probably be shitting on it

>>377055737
>>377055738
>4chan no longer thinks it's funny to shit all over drawings made by 1st graders

>>377055538
I hated it actually.

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>literally the entire game is basically about a bunch of people orbiting around the biggest Mary Sue ever in videogames
If Ciri was ugly she would be pretty much a Bioware character.

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Stop enjoying videogame stories.

>>377055861
Why?
Very high scores, a lot of awards, sold like mad.

>>377054803
Meme Souls has more in common with Ghosts n Goblins than it does with any sort of RPG. A game without a story isn't fully utilizing anything. Go outside and play a sport.

>Or maybe we could stop pretending Witcher is a good RPG and recognize the glaring flaws it has
Meme Souls is also a damn good example of how the few RPGs that let you create an OC tend to shit the bed. You're not playing as a mage or as a warrior or as a thief; the only aspect to your character that's actually a thing are your stats. Meanwhile in Witcher you're a monster hunter and far more work is put in to actually making you feel like one.

>>377055853
Tell me more about what I think

>>377054724
According to Metacritic GTA 4 is the best GTA.
Fuck off nintenkiddies

>>377055972
>A game without a story isn't fully utilizing anything
Except for, you know, gameplay.

>Go outside and play a sport.
Go watch a movie :3

>>377055972
>Meme Souls has more in common with Ghosts n Goblins than it does with any sort of RPG
good, cutscenes are cancer

>>377055954
Not as many as TW3, scores very significantly lower than TW3. Nice false equivalence though.

>>377055931
He was right though.
3 decades of videogames, still not a single decent story.

>>377055972
>A game without a story is
It's a videogame.
Stories are pointless.
At least if they were decent, okay, but they are complete garbage.

>>377050984
What is super Mario rpg

>>377044752
We weren't prepared for the goodness

>>377055751
>replicate the gameplay

Fluidity of combat has nothing to do with rolling dice.

>Video games don't come anywhere fucking close to matching the story or narrative-related choices you have in a tabletop RPG

Yep. This is what RPGs actually excel at. It's why people play RPGs instead of playing football. Video games can't replicate the array of narrative choices that they can provide but they can add to the experiences they can through the benefit of music and visuals.

>>377056083
Persona has higher scores than TW3 and so does Zelda and Zelda will win many more awards in a stronger year. Will you claim it's GOAT when it does?

>>377055972
>Meme Souls is also a damn good example of how the few RPGs that let you create an OC tend to shit the bed. You're not playing as a mage or as a warrior or as a thief; the only aspect to your character that's actually a thing are your stats. Meanwhile in Witcher you're a monster hunter and far more work is put in to actually making you feel like one.

>Souls games are bad RPGs because they let the player create the character they want, literally choosing their role
>Witcher is a better RPG because the developers made a pre-determined character with a role they picked out
lolno

You're missing half the point of an RPG, and I've explained it to you several times already. It's not JUST about the fucking story, doubly so in a video GAME. What you described is often achieved by adventure games with no RPG elements whatsoever.

>>377056415
Persona is a good game too and Zelda ALWAYS gets high scores/many awards. Nice try though.

>>377056079
Actual sports provide gameplay along with a laundry list of health and social benefits that video games don't.

Movies, however, will never be able to keep up with the narrative interactivity that games bring to the table.

>Wasn't made by Japanese devs
>Wasn't obscure

Can't get to 10/10 without it

>>377056535
Actually a game coming out after 2005 means it's automatically discarded.
There's no worthwhile developers anymore.

>DUDE RED CLUES LMAO
Woah, so this...
Is the power...
Of RPGs...

>>377056334
>Fluidity of combat has nothing to do with rolling dice.
I have no idea what you're even trying to say here.

Witcher doesn't even have most/all of the systems that would require a roll in the first place, there are no checks for anything and you can't have Geralt do anything outside the game's narrative constraints.

Point being video games can replicate the systems underneath tabletop games, the rolls, the numbers, etc., but they can't replicate your human DM and will only have a tiny, tiny handful of possible story-related outcomes. Focusing on story is just a waste of fucking time, make a game instead, that's where the depth and substance comes from.

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>>377056124
>Planescape Torment not decent

>>377056864
Without story there is no immersion or any reason to care about the world you're attempting to save. Nor any role to play within it.

>I have no idea what you're even trying to say here
That if your main grief against something like the Witcher is "muh clunky combat" that it can't get any clunkier than what you'll find in a table top game. The truth is that people don't play either virtual or tabletop RPGs primarily for the combat system. They play fighting games, often at a competitive level, for that.

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>>377056529
So the critics are right when it comes to The Witcher 3 (a game worse than 2 in everything but graphics and being a mild improvement on gameplay), but the very same people are wrong about Zelda because it's Zelda? Also it's really telling how The Witcher 1 and 2 are "defended" through a discussion of what the game does while TW3 is shilled by nothing but the number of GOTY awards it won in a year that had one good game.

>>377045279
Rip lit particles :(

>>377057270
>Without story there is no immersion or any reason to care about the world you're attempting to save
I didn't say no story at all, I said not to FOCUS on story. Story is there to give your actions context, as you said.

But the depth and the motivation to keep playing comes from the fucking GAMEPLAY. The story is icing on the cake, not the cake itself. Good games are games that motivate the player to keep playing with their gameplay and systems, not by presenting them with a narrative. You can do that with other mediums, you can't replicate that gameplay with anything else. Games can do more than replicate the experience of having a narrative presented to you.

>All this bickering but nothing can change that TW3 is just an upjumped Ubisoft game with an awesome setting but meh tier story

I just hope CDPR dosent completely fuck up the combat in Cyberpunk, they should get some devs experienced with FPS games for good measure.

>>377047180
>It's not even his daughter.

Adoptive daughter is still a daughter.
And while the three (Geralt, Yen, and Ciri) never call eachother by titles like father/mother/daughter, they do frequently refer to them as such when interacting with third parties.

Ciri calls Geralt her father when interacting with others.
Geralt occasionally refers to her as his daughter.
Just never to eachother's faces.

>>377057920
This. Especially when you see how boring a tps can be. Like the division.

>>377052987
lol have fun following stink trails and the samey TRAGIC side stories in witcher

>>377057732
>You can do that with other mediums
No; you really can't, particularly not with movies.

>Good games are games that motivate the player to keep playing with their gameplay and systems
Then why not pick up a sport or master a profitable game like Poker?

The poles could send an extraction team into Ukraine to find the STALKER devs and recruit them to help work on gunplay.

The bullets can disappear because of kinetic shielding augmentation nanomachines, son.

>>377056124
At least tw2 story was better than all of his books.

>>377048291
>sonybros
Why? The game is on ps4 as well. And they downgraded it for consoles.

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>buy it after all the hype
>play it
>where is the fun
>hunt? no
>camp? no
>fish? no
>talk to random npcs? no
>but you can destroy the same ghoul nest every 5 minutes :)
>best rpg in the last decade

no
the world is so beautiful, almost perfectly crafted
the people are fit in perfect, perfect worldbuilding (accents, culture, design)
but you can't do shit in it.
I literally closed Witcher 3 to play M&B:W and had more fun

>>377044752
the massive amounts of hand holding perhaps

>>377058068
>HURR DURR play sports!
HURR DURR read a book!

Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys have some nice choose-your-own-adventures!

I've given you plenty of perfectly valid points and explained how I arrived there, all you can manage to retort with is
>NU-UH!
And tell me to play sports instead.

Story-games are bad games, sorry.

>>377058717
>choose-your-own-adventures

Choose your own adventure books are clunky at best and don't handle the same gimmick as well as video games.

>And tell me to play sports instead.
Because I'm genuinely puzzled as to why someone who only cares about gameplay wouldn't opt for something else that provides tangible benefits along with it. I mean, I know why I play RPGs. I could potentially make a lot of money off of Poker but Poker doesn't provide an engaging story; same with football, soccer, and every sport. If I was primarily interested in analyzing mechanics I'd probably just gravitate towards fantasy football or even fighting games.

>>377059458
>I'm puzzled as to why someone who cares about GAMEplay likes video GAMES
I, too, am puzzled.

>>377059561
I care about gameplay (along with writing and music) but to the extent that its not a chore to go through like in most JRPGs. Witcher 3 plays better than many games with only one of these through the presence of Gwent alone.

>>377058452
>M&B
I too like wasting 20 hours being a dicksucker until the game gets good.