How do we fix the Smash community?

>>377040616
remove falco from the game

Same way you fix any video game community.

Burn it to the ground. There's no saving it.

STOP GIVING THEM ATTENTION

With bullets.

Smash players are the literal dirty, stinky niggers of the fgc; a community full of actual niggers. It least they have the decency to shower.
>Smell like piss and shit and BO.
>Steal everything in sight at CEO and LTT.
>Shit in a fountain at CEO.
>Gloat about shit like stream viewership.
>Complain about finals time and station count at events that are vehicles for other games or traditional fgc events.
>Molest your own community members.
>Smell like peepee and turds while refusing to shower.
>Boo other games that potentially interfere with your top 8 schedule.
>Have the worst version in-fighting in history, completely splitting the scene in half.
>Demand insane things like chicken tendies, SpongeBob handwarmie stations, and bowls of "red-only" M&Ms.
>Redefine decade-old terms due to having zero knowledge of fighting games.
>Complain when events refuse to supply an insane amount of CRTs, even though every other game doesn't run them.
>Have the most boring Evo top-8 in literal history that concludes with a spastic flailing around on the floor, crying.
>Take to Twitter to voice your displeasure about events instead of speaking man-to-man with TOs.
>Smell like crap and sweat while refusing to wear deoderant as university student buildings begin refering to Smash weeklies as "Stinky Days.

>>377040664
Do you main Falcon or Sheik?

>>377040616
Shoot mang0fags for not only being shameless dickriders, but because they are too delusional to see mang0 for what he has become - a lazy, listless drunk

We all support /ourguys/ M2K and PPMD. Armada's okay too. And we pray for HugS to keep getting better, like 2015 Leffen good.

Ignore all the games after smash64

You can't really. The top players have been endlessly grinding hours into this game for the better part of a decade at least. There's no chance for upcoming players to break in, just the same top player scene endlessly shifting the meta centimeters a year.

Melee competitive is like MVC2 competitive. It's done, its run its course, there's nowhere left to go.

>>377040616
remove melee

>>377040932
t. fgcuck

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>Implying anyone else stands a chance
He's the only true god.

>>377041182
Incorrect.

>>377040616
Turn smash into an actual fighting game with health bars,supers,and the usual shit. That would weed out all the scrubs

>>377041226
>t. fgcuck
way validate everything that anon said

smash really is trash

>>377042135
Half the garbage "he" said was completely made up.

>>377040616
gas them all

>>377041863

this makes me wonder if smash was actually played in stamina mode instead of regular smash

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Smash players are manchildren.

Let it die and make all the autists learn a real fighter.

>>377040932
you forgot that time that they had a booth that was giving out free deoderant because the other hotel guests were complaining so much about the smell

>>377042397
Itd be boring as shit with stamina's usual mechanics
For all the shit i give project m it at least made stamina mode fun

>>377041182
20XX alone is an amazing resource to learn the game inside and out. Plenty of time to learn to get good because melee isn’t going anywhere.

>>377042537
Fighting games are too slow.

>>377042537
((("Real"))) fighting games are dumb

in utero gene therapy, the elimination of autism is the only way to fix the smash community

Its honestly amazing how good hbox and armada are. The fact that people cheer for blatantly broken spacies against them is a huge testament to their skill

>>377043245
Melee isn't very fast either. Having to make various inputs in seconds just to make some basic movements is just artificial difficulty.

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I love melee but I wish the community didnt smell so bad.
The main reason why I prefer to grind with my equally good smelling and hygienic competitive friends than going to tournaments.
I dunno why showering is so hard to these fucks.

>>377043616
Its honestly only a problem at majors. No on wants to be that guy at locals.

Gas Melee fags with autism.

So, all of them.

>>377041182
Fat goku,syrox, zealous5000, and Faceroll prove this post wrong though.

>>377042445

I try to avoid the melee community, but context?

>>377040616
Get rid of Melee and Project:M.

Only play Brawl Minus.

Why should we want to fix something that doesn't affect the game?

>>377045141
Hbox beat Armada to win 1st place at EVO 2016.

>>377045141
hbox (guy on the bottom) won evo and he started crying on the floor.

>>377045410
Melee has no netplay so the community is a big part of the game.

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FGC is fucking gay and im glad melee isn't a part of it

>>377045639
>playing fighting games online
Get some friends

>>377045639
>Melee has no netplay
Wrong.

>>377045726
Get some reading comprehension.

>>377045791
Don't even pretend most people are emulating the game on Dolphin or some shit. They're playing on the couch or at locals.

>>377040693
>>377040797
>>377040886
these

>>377046186
>waah waah I have no friends
I know. Crying isn't going to change that.

>>377046186
some locals are fucking trash so people just grind netplay/tech at home.

>>377046186
Faster Melee on Dolphin's actually equivalent to CRT Melee at this point. All you need is a good connection and you're good to go.

>>377040693
>implying something worse won't rise from the ashes

>>377040932
>>377043616
>>377043963
I always hear about the "smashfags smell" thing but never hear as for why?

>>377041023
>liking m2k

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you tell them to fucking bathe

holy shit

>>377045141
Hbox won EVO for the first time ever, beating out Armada (the #1 ranked player) in two sets of best of 5, and defeating him in game 10 in a last stock situation.

>>377043584
>Artificial difficulty
Look mama i posted it again.

>>377043616
>>377040932
Playing melee is intensive and makes you sweat. Combine this with playing over longer stretches of time. Of course people smell bad. You can cherrypick all you like but every gaming scene has a few bad berries. Smash just tends to cater to the bad berries. Haven't had any smellies in my local though, so i bet this is all rumour.

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>>377046447
>smash gets the smallest ballrooms
>CRTs produce a lot of heat, shit gets mad hot
>smash gets the most entrants outside of Street Fighter, so more people in a confined small space so people start sweating
>a lot of people save money by not getting a room/buying floor space so they don't get to shower
>some people are just nasty
Main reasons. Double if it's already hot.

>>377046742
>i bet this is all rumour.
>he doesnt know about the time where they HAD to give away deodorant to smash fags

>>377046742
In all the locals I've been to over the years, I've never had an issue with smell either. At most, there's maybe ONE GUY at a big tournament, but that's kinda universal across all sorts of competitive games.

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What the fuck happened?

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>>377040932
>Smell like crap and sweat while refusing to wear deoderant as university student buildings begin refering to Smash weeklies as "Stinky Days."

>>377047463
Puff players are all faggots. If ever you go to a local AVOID all puff players like the plague.

>>377047463
mango winning vs hbox winning

>need a broken version of a discontinued controller to pull off high level strats
>in any other fighting game this would be cheating
>in Melee this is the standard
Really... makes me... THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINKKK

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>>377042445
As if that ESPN Evo wasn't a complete embarrassment itself. Download complete my ass.

>>377047463
No PPMD.

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>>377040616
Just make a new game that properly follows up on Smash 64/Melee's core mechanics.

That's literally the only reason people haven't moved on from Melee, because as far as actual gameplay is concerned, there's nothing to move on to. Until Sakurai gets his head out of his ass or Smash gets a new director with different design philosophies, the community is always going to be split between Melee and whatever the new Smash game is.

Pic related, I long to see a chart made similar to Smash.

I love melee and smash above all other "fighting games"

I also acknowledge that the smash tourney scene is disgusting cancer when compared to the rest of the fgc

Is anyone else me?

>>377047996
whats that chart say i dont speak runes

>>377048025
>Smash tourney scene is disgusting cancer
I disagree. All the tournaments I've been to have been filled with chill as fuck people.

>>377047996
As do I, anon.

throw everyone that plays tr4sh into concentration camps and gas chambers

>>377047996
You do realize that picture is just lip-service right?

>>377042445
Ironically, ESPN viewers look at you the same way you look at us.

>>377047996
>>377048224
>muh wave cheating

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>>377048076
The top line consists of all the linear obstacle course 3D Mario games. The bottom line shows the open level sandbox 3D Marios, which Odyssey is meant to be a successor to.

>>377048308
Which is just bullshit advertisement talk obviously. Oddesy wont have the movement depth of SM64 and SMS

>>377044323
Top 30 isn't top 6 lol

>>377047996
I really want to play Galaxy with a GC controller.
Thinking back that game was fucking great.

>>377048483
Do you have a source to back that claim?

>>377048483
It's not bullshit in the sense that the bottom two games have a bigger focus on exploration, compared to the games on the upper lines, which 64 and Sunshine offered.

There's little wrong with the community, though.

From the outside it looks like shit since everyone who discusses the game sounds like morons and decade old copypasta still manages to fool people but being inside the community, it seems to be going fine.

Honestly, go to a tournament or something, get in touch with your scene. Unless you're unlucky, you'll probably find a fun and appreciative smash community near you.

>>377040616
Find a cure for autism.

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>friend wants to show me cool smash clip
>screaming blackman scare me

mang0s girlfriend is a fucking retarded whore though

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the smash community is an angry, fragmented disaster because their franchise is not respected as a competitive game by the head honcho developer and consequently gets a near completely blind eye by NoJ; theres no meaningful support comin from Nintendo so other organizations pick the game up to make easy money

if these Wavedash Games clown actually get a decent product out, maybe the smash community will get their wish and unite under them while the FGC can finally be free of them. A win-win

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Something that would lessen the cancer by quite a lot is having it so the Melee and Smash 4 community doesn't have to mingle all the time. When both games are at the same event they should run at the same time. Not one after the other so Meleefags have to sit and watch Smash 4 and bitch about it.

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>At Canada Cup 2016
>Upper floor is for real fighters with a huge venue to compensate all the games
>Hear that smash is going on in the basement
>Walk downstairs and this fucking whiff of pure stinky shit and B.O engulfs my nostrils
>The room is still down the hallway
>Walk into the venue for melee
>Start becoming lightheaded because the stench is so fucking disgustingly powerful
>Full of weird school shooter looking kids
I ran right the fuck back upstairs afterwards. How you smelly smash fans put up with this shit is beyond me. Thank god the upper venue was amazing.

>>377040932
I thought it was a meme until I actually went to my uni's smash club for a tournament. Fuck, it smelled terrible. The melee players all smelled like pot and everyone else smelled like they hadn't showered in days. There was an autistic guy who screamed everytime his character was hit, and all of the girls looked like men.

I got my ass kicked of course because I only play the game a few times a month but it was still kinda fun anyway.

>>377048750
Modern Nintendo. 3D World is controlled with a dpad ffs.

At least Smash has a scene. Anecdotally, SFV killed off my local FGC scene, whereas my local Sm4sh scene always has healthy numbers. SFV is such garbage that I would rather play Sm4sh anyways.
I have no comment on Melee, it's not my game.

i went to a newly started smash local last week and am going again tomorrow. my experience:

>everyone plays like their heart is going to explode at any second because of the insane amount of coke and crack in their system
>get knocked out instantly after 2 games
>say whatever, we're allowed to drink so I get some 40s
>play buzzed friendlies and have a decent time
>1 autistic kid randomly screeched at me for asking him a question though which was kind of weird but I brushed it off
>no one smelled, and the "venue" was really nice (it's actually a club house thing in an apartment complex), there's a grill and a pool that isn't open yet

anyway, looking forward to going again tomorrow. trying to get some friends to come with me so I'm not the worst person there. also I'm not practicing because I'm too lazy, but I managed to beat people in friendlies so I'm not that worried, I know i'm not winning the whole shit, but would be cool to not get knocked out of bracket immediately.

>>377050773
Took me 15 tournaments without practice before I could manage surviving a set, good luck anon.

Then again I'm just really bad and the NJ scene and it's tourneys can get awfully stacked. But hey, shit's fun, right?

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is the FGC so anemic that one franchise's (Street Fighter) success is necessary to float the entire genre

no wonder these venues are picking up Smash, even an installment that actively tries to steer away from competition everywhere you look manages to leverage a healthier scene

At what point to you pull the life support on a genre thats been in a vegetative state for so long

>>377051058

thanks man, I don't even really know how to practice besides just playing and I can't really play anyone unless i'm at a tournament, I can rarely convince my friends to get together and even then the people at the tournaments are obviously better.

>>377051794
If your computer is up for it, try giving netplay a try? Obviously the feel is going to be a bit different because of hardware limitations and probable lag, but it's a good way of learning strats for characters and seeing how to counter other people's techniques.

Plus, if you can't be good in tourney, you can be good in netplay and be a shitter.

Simple. By admitting Smash isn't a fighting game.

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>>377053549
>Citing Wikipedia as any source, ever
Bruh

>>377047001
I think a minor contributing factor to that is actually really shitty venues. Crowding 40 people into your local mom and pop comics store with shitty ventilation takes a toll on the air in the place. It gets hot, which makes people start to sweat, which brings in bad smells. I had wrestling tournaments like that in high school where even the parents in the crowd started to smell. Luckily I get to go to the esports arena in socal which has never once smelt bad. Even though its never not filled with smashags, fgc autists, and literal children pedo neckbeards playing League on the computers.

>>377040616
As far as tournaments are concerned, deodorant and basic hygiene.
Fixing the community is very hard, though I must say Smash hasn't exactly got the worst/most toxic community out there. I'm pretty much ok with most of it, to be honnes; vidya communities tend to be really bad in general. I kind of hate how the community is flooded by weebs with a vine-tier "got'em" sense of humor, for instance.
I think the whole Smash community would be benefit a lot from a more stress-free online experience that would get people used to the idea of respecting other players (at least a little bit), instead of just seeing them as pontential combo video cpus.
I now this only concerns Smash 4, but here's a small list of changes concerning the online mode that would mean the world to the evolution of the scene as a whole:
1. For Glory mode should be split between ranked and friendlies.
2. There should be ranks for... the ranked mode.
3. Players should be able to cancel a game if the match is too laggy.
4. Ranked matches should be played in best of 3 or best of 5 sets and follow the usual tournament standards (legal stages, stage striking, seeing what character your oponent has picked.
4. No swearing through name-changing should be allowed.
5. Most of the communication should be done via preset messages you can choose from.
6. Specific restrictions or rules should be made negotiable by the players (accepting a character-lock rule in the begininng of a set, for instance).
7. After the end of a set, you should be able to play another person or to propose a rematch.
8. The region and latency of the person you're playing should be displayed before you accept a match.
9. You should be able to create a list of players you want to play against in Friendlies, without having to add them to your Wii u friends list (which is limited to 100 people, I think).
10. Nintendo should create some (actual) weekly online regional tournaments.

>>377040616
Get PPMD a better doctor.

>>377041290

Is that why he got 3-0'd by druggedfox?

>>377046895
>can afford ticket to venue and hotel reservations
>can't afford deodorant/antiperspirant
Smashfags.

>>377055515
picked leffen and dfox in fantasy bracket felt fucking bad man. chu and sfat too.

sami rules tho

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>>377040616
1. Unironically add Ridley
2. Remove every fighter after 64 and rebalance the series of characters to 2 major reps of their franchise (Hero and Villain) with 1 alt for said characters
3. Replace Samurai Hack
4. Remove Fire Emblem characters
5. Only have 3rd parties that matter to Nintendo's history (Rival:Sonic, Crash, Cloud; Friendlies:Megaman, Pac-Man; Old Pals: Banjo;etc)
6. Do NOT add any characters via requests
Pick one of these and you might save the Smash Bros series.

>>377053805
>Anyone can edit excuse
Feels like 2003 again with idiots like you.

It's basically a solved game at this point. Forget about age, forget about muh displays, forget about your obnoxious fucking fanbase for five seconds and think about how utterly stale Melee is. You can claim the game is growing all you want, but there is zero variation in the part of the community that actually plays the game. There are a handful of good players left while the scrubs fight for scraps at the bottom of the battle. There is no Spark who played a mid-to-low character in Continuum Shift and pulls the tournament out from underneath everyone's nose. There is no Gamerbee from Thailand playing a character nobody gave a shit about and slaying veterans left and right. There is no Noah, a literal child that was able to win games by abusing the shit out of super armor.

Melee has no progression. Top 4 is all but guaranteed and the only reason it wouldn't be is if you put all four on the same side of the bracket for some reason. We can only the same four people fight so many times before it gets stale. You have more people watching and sitting in the crowd booing games that aren't yours, but nobody's actually playing at a level that's acceptable for competition. Melee is past that point. The complexity of the game has caught up to it, you can't possibly match a decade of experience and muscle memory, it's just never going to happen. So nobody new is playing the game, and the gap between the top 10 players and everyone else is huge, and there's no online scene to speak of. There are more new people SHITPOSTING ABOUT MELEE than actually putting time into the game.

>>377056549
Third one

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>>377047463

>ppmd will never return to his former glory

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get them out of the fgc

their awful child's game does not belong with fighting games

Remove all infighting within the series

All the games are fun to play with friends.

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>want to fix the smash community
>doesn't want to ban the same 5 people that win all the tourneys

This is the fate you deserve

>>377054653
>Friendlies
I fucking hate smashfags

>>377059750
Yeah lets cripple the viewership by having worse players on the stream. Plus Arcadians exist and they are fun to enter. No one watches them though.

>>377060171
The term (though it sounds stupid) makes sense in this context because 1 vs 1 is not the only gamemode; it's a 1 vs 1 according to tournament rules that's not ranked, as opposed to "For fun", or anything like that.

>>377060495
The term is "casuals" you dum dum, I swear to god.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/6bdnu3/can_we_as_a_community_do_something_about_the/

What did they mean by this?

>>377060490
That's exactly while it will never be fixed. Smash community only cares about muh numbers muh stream numbers and circlejerking over the same 6 players

>>377043584


The irony.

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Play the only decent version of smash.
Game and watch niggers need not apply.

>>377054653

no one one who isn't a complete fucking retard gives a fuck about tr4sh, shut the fuck up about it.

>>377062757
>Project Meme
Your very same video show how retarded this mod is, putting long-ass hitstun to everything just because "muh combos" is actually pretty retarded.

>>377063000
Thats the joke retard. Still better than gaylay.

>>377040616

I'm part of the Wisconsin Smash scene and people here aren't that bad. Except Inui, but he's permabanned for using meth at a venue.

>>377063676
Yes you shitters are nobody wants to be around you.

>>377060821
>>377062941
samefagging much?
Jeez, take a pill. Go contaminate another thread with your pointless fedora-wearing stick-stroking sword-collecting rage.
>>377060821
wow, someone just dropped the C-bomb, guess I'm in trouble now
>>377062941
Smash 4 is half of the franchise's current representation at events. Sure, only retards are interested in the game, yeah.
I swear, every time I see some fucking lowlife like you acting all hysterical online... oh boy. Shove your 'big boy' talk up your ass, you're just here to pick a fight with someone who plays Smash 4 and add nothing to the discussion.

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>>377040616
Stop playing Melee

>>377063676
Holy shit that's crazy. He do anything crazy beyond just being high on meth? Since a huge portion of the scene is college aged dudes drugs can be a problem. But it's normally just weed and booze. Maybe some psychedelics as well.

>>377063676

I knew most of those faggots are doing meth and coke and shit

>>377040616

Force autism tests at tourneys

If you register on 20 or bellow you will not be allowed to play.

>>377064112

retard

>>377064330
But meth is healthy for you anon its also okay to bring your pets to the venue and not watch them at all and ask for money so you can feed it.

>>377040616
>Disband the competitive community
>No longer let Smash be played competitively
There you go, I saved Smash.

Stop trying to fit in with the FGC, put more backing behind Smash-based events.

>>377064547
That's the new wave of ghetto right there.

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>git gud with Jigglypuff
>go to locals and intentionally try to time out or make the game as boring to watch as possible
>collect salty falconigger tears and some fight money

>>377057220
So, basically, the game is incredibly sold and rewards actual skill and fundamentals above all, and that's why it should be swapped out for gimmicky nonsense.

God I wish you FGCucks could hear yourselves.

it really pains me that I can't just line up all tr4shfags and shoot them in the head 1 by 1, i want to kill them so badly

>>377057220
I remember the only time I was into competitive Smash was when Amsa or whatever his name was came into the Melee scene playing Yoshi and it was really hyped because it was a dude playing fucking Yoshi. But when it went back to the status quo, it just got bland.

>>377064330

Nothing really outside of him being a miserable salty fuck with no redeemable qualities who would rather whine about his personal life to everyone than fix his life by getting a job and not doing meth.

I don't know anyone else who uses hard drugs outside of him and Zelgaldis (who ran out of Wisconsin after stealing Inui's shit.) Though I suspect some probably do.

Other than the couple methheads, there's nothing that interesting. Just the typical booze, weed, etc... that's in every community.

>>377065469
You could just force them to watch competitive Melee matches and they'd die of boredom

>>377047593
>>377047767
git gud

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>thread about fixing the Smash fanbase
>no talks about stupid rosterfags or the unhealthy obsession and worship of Sakurai
who is the worse rosterfag and why is it indiefags?

>>377065659

That "joke" doesn't work coming from smash 4

>>377040616
>only like 3-6 chars can get top 8, and only like 4 can only win big tournies
>fox and falco are played by basically 75% of players
>been like this for over 15 fucking years
Jesus fucking christ how do they not find it stale yet?

>>377065816
muh intangibles!

>>377065816
Y-you're just jealous no game you play could ever last as long as this game iv assuredly always played and didn't just hop onto a fad 2 years ago Melees always been my favorite fuck you street fighter nerd MELEE ISN'T OLDER THAN I AM I SWEAR.

>>377065816

Literally none of those statements are true.

>>377065816
Because there are still things left to uncover in the game. Melee is balls deep. We still have people labbing shit including myself.

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>>377066346
>People actually believe anything they uncover will beat flowchart Fox

>>377040616
>Amalgamation of many Nintendo fanbases
>Tons of which don't give a shit about games other than their 2 favorites
>"Fans" of the series that only like SSB64, Melee, Brawl, or Smash 4 and feel a need to /hate/ all other installments
>Weirdos that barely seem like they learned how to talk
The rest is outlined here >>377040932

The community has the worst fucking sportsmanship so interacting with them is a chore. What does the smash community discuss besides roster and stages wishlists / rosters and stages other fans shouldn't get? If the smash community wasn't shitposting how would it exist?

>>377066517
>Bayo / Diddy / Cloud / Shiek
>Better

Only benefit Smash 4 has is that they can patch it, and even after more than 3 patches it's still unbalanced trash.

>>377065816
>Fox
>Falco
>Peach
>Puff
>Falcon
>Shiek
>Icies
>Samus
>Marth
>Pikachu (If Axe is there)
Way to look like an asshat, friendo.

>>377066517
Fox is a glasscannon.
He's powerfull in the right hands, but a slip up is certain death.
If you just add in the human factor, Fox players will fail time and time again.

>>377065490

well, amsa kind of disappeared

>>377066806
All smash games are trash dont kid yourself.

>>377066517
>t.butthurt floatie
Learn to fight fox instead of complaining, retard.

>>377065746

SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT FUCKING RETARDED TR4SH

>>377066872
Hol up...so like...whatchu tell me right here is...that like...PROS AINT SHIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEET?

Hang all tourneyfags from a tree

>>377067059
All top Foxes have bad days, it's why they have trouble with consistency and staying on top.

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>>377040932
>bowls of "red-only" M&Ms

What's the story behind this? Sounds hilarious.

Melee HD with balancing fixes for all characters especially non viables.

>>377067293
If you cant flowchart with a flowchart character you have both brain and hand damage and considering y'all play Melee I can absolutely see that being the case.

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>>377067509

>>377067627

post this fox flowchart

>>377040616
Give them a game they won't throw a shitfit about. At this point Nintendo could put out a yearly release of SSBB Melee Remastered™ and it'd work every time.

>>377047463
Evo 2013 Melee had just gotten big exposure, top players were down to earth because Melee didn't have a huge fanbase yet and played because they loved the game.

Move to 2016, Melee is now esports, top players treat it as a job rather than a hobby, community is split, everything is all business, everyone is depressed.

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>>377067036
>entire thread is the same old "Melee vs Tr4sh vs FGC" schtick
i want to talk about something else

>>377067509
>Fixing G&W, Lugi, Ganon, Dr.Mario
>People actually want this
This is why "muh character representation" argument is shit. The 8-12 characters are well designed and allows for a variety of playstyles, which is why don't need more. Keeping up with a meta of 12 characters would be utter shit because you wouldn't keep up with all of them

>>377067716
>Post things not saved to your hardrive faggot oh hurrdurr you dont save random webms of shitty games get rekt I win this argument
Hang yourself.

>>377048025
Truly the patrician taste

>Smash is probably the most fun fighting game
>But is also a shithole that shouldn't be associated with the FGC to better both ends
>The FGC is no better
>Just have to remind yourself that in the end, "e-sports" are just videogames competitively played and will never get the respect it deserves
>Still keep it as a hobby and play with friends
>Be happy

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>>377067509
Melee is what is wrong with the Smash community. Its a shit game played by shit people and you want more Melee. Are you a shithead?

>>377065746
Rosterfags are annoying, but that's just the nature of fighting games. Mahvel and Injustice have just as, if not more, rabid character fans. Smash is actually lucky in that until 4 there were relatively few waifu fags. As for the worst indiefags and K.Roolfags were equally terrible.

I used to like toph but after watching the READS he's so goddamn annoying

I can't tell if he's just really drunk or if he was always a johning little bitch

>>377067509
They dont want PM why would they want and even worse version of it they want to shit their pants while playing the game old enough to be their papa.

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>>377067936

>hurr durr I'm just shitposting for no reason

nigger do you even know what a flowchart is? Fuck off

>>377068059

how the fuck can you like toph? I would love to see that annoying mother fucker faggot skinned alive and slowly dying.

>>377040616
force them to turn on items, smash balls, etc.

>>377065746
>>no talks about stupid rosterfags or the unhealthy obsession and worship of Sakurai
Because that pops up once every seven years while the rest of the cancer is eternal
>>377066038
~~You say Ryu, I say Fox~~
~~You say Ken, I say Falco~~
~~You say Hadouken, I say Waveshine~~
~~You say Street Fighter, I say Melee~~
99% of teens would rather play Street Fighter than Melee. Put this in your sig if you're part of the 1% that prefers Melee.

>>377068284

die

>>377048845
I've been a tournament PM player for years now and I have to say every fucking scene in my region is horrible so this is wrong.

PM community is highly circlejerky and will run bandwagon hate trains on certain people every now and then for whatever dumb reason (often just for playing a character) until they are bullied out of the community, slowly killing a community that already can't get more people.

Melee community is full of inflammatory elitist assholes, obnoxious stoners, and dudebros. The top players won't talk to anyone, and have done things such as put down a dollar and claim they're money matching but then proceed to play friendlies for 2 hours just so nobody talks to them, bully people out of tournaments for being "corner kids", and host 70+ man tournaments where only the top 2 get paid out just to generate more money for themselves (since only 2 people in the top player circlejerk attended). The biggest TO hosts for profit and has scammed people several times by buying a venue for not as long as he claimed he did and causing the tournament to end early, ruining it completely, just to earn some more cash.

and Sm4sh community is literally full of children and autists. No exaggeration, many of them don't own cars and can't drive and conduct themselves like whiny children. There's new drama in the FB group every single day, controllers are thrown at tournaments regularly, and everyone smells like absolute shit.

I love smash so much but the community is intolerable especially compared to the FGC back when I used to play UMvC3.

>>377068386
Can you confirm my theory of 64 players being generally decent people?

>>377068284
but anon that would traumatize them, they can't handle it

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>>377068295
Erm last Smash sold 14 million copies.
Last Street Fighter sold 1.5.

>then I notice you said melee

Yeah more people would actually play SFV over Melee. I'll give you that one Anon.

>>377068386
As a former PM player of 5 years this post is on point.

>>377068452
They are but their scene is so tiny it doesn't really qualify as a scene. There's only about 13 players active at any given time in my entire state, and average weeklies are 4-6 man round robins and take place in some guy's house.

For comparison PM averages 10-18 people at weeklies, Sm4sh averages 20-30, and Melee averages 40-60.

>>377068386
Stop going to EVO stop following "pro" players on social media, as a whole stop being a faggot and play video games for fun.

>>377068795
>original post doesn't even mention Evo or Twitter
>j-just ignore the subhuman scum in the community despite having to interact with them on a regular basis!

>>377068043
there will be no rosterfag any worse than Ridleyfags or anything else unironic

if so, name one (1) outside the Smash Bros fanbase

>>377068595
>5 years

damn, I've only been playing since 2014, I couldn't even imagine how tired of BS you are.

I wish I could reveal my tag here but ofc I don't want people from my scene to find out what I'm saying.

>>377068386
Did you read "PM player?"

I've literally never been to EVO, I rarely go OoS, I don't have a twitter account, and I don't follow or care what celebrity top melee and sm4sh players do. I only watch top PM players for the sole purpose of studying the game, and after putting several thousands of hours into PM competing is the only way for me to have fun. To not go tryhard is just boring to me at this point.

>>377068982
same fagtron here, meant to reply to
>>377068795
this boi

>>377068515
>Erm last Smash sold 14 million copies.
the traditional release sold worse than Melee and Brawl

>>377068982
>Living in the same region as Pooch
Yeah it was pretty fucking awful.

Just remember the equipment for the shit hole that is melee is breaking left and right, when your top players can't play because "muh control ain't broken right" shows this game doesn't have much time left.

>>377045141
Infiltration swept the floor with everyone and Hbox won on game 10 of GF with some of the clutches games in the history of Melee.
Also this really puts thing into context for how big was the win for him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nespaQisZCg

>>377040616
remove trannies
also this >>377040693

>>377040932
>Smell like crap and sweat while refusing to wear deoderant as university student buildings begin refering to Smash weeklies as "Stinky Days.
top kek

>>377069324
I actually really like Pooch since he actually is aware of problems and tries to fix them even if he is a fuccboi

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>>377040616
You can't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwo2KBvN29M

>>377068386
>no proof
>>>r/Kappa

>>377068967
Redhood fanboys. Also Doom if he's not in infinite.

>>377069659
Hes okay online but in person it gets old after 5 minutes of him screeching and annoying everyone including people playing none smash games. Then being associated with him for such things making the PM scene here look way more autistic than it actually is he causes harm to the Ill scene and he knows it but he just doesn't give a fuck. Hes right in the middle of the circle jerk so nobody will do anything about it either its actually just awful.

>>377047558
>hehehe stinky boys XDD

>>377066929
Cool. How does change anything I just said, retard?

>>377069816
If not for the sake of losing anonymity I would pull up dozens of Facebook logs I have of trying to resolve issues, sets where the commentary endlessly talked shit about one player in a back-handed way, and a message of the TO I was talking about PMing me asking me to fight him because I threatened to get people to boycott his scam tournaments.

>>377070046
I guess I've only played him once in tournament so I wouldn't know all too much, we just spent half the set talking trash to each other but I like that kind of thing but I could also understand why some people wouldn't like it.

At the same time I support non-esports behavior like his since I'm used to fun trash talk and loud ass black Marvel players who are 10x more autistic than Pooch. As long as someone isn't actively being toxic.

>>377048181
Well ok not every tourney is filled with faggots

But there's cancer in the "tourney scene" and the "let's GROW the smash community guise"
if that makes sense

>>377070407
>If not for the sake of losing anonymity I-

LOL, is this the roleplay general? Because your pretending is great.

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>>377070583
Well, you don't have to believe me Anon, I could always be some autistic faggot who just likes to make up elaborate stories and you'd never know.

But I'm still going to share my experiences anonymously here regardless of whether people believe me or not.

>>377070407
If he would just stop screaming all the time he would be absolutely fine. Tournament attendance for DFW went down when he went to Texas you can be sure he played a part in that with just how annoying he gets after a while. Sure some people find it charismatic and at times he is cool but the screaming just needs to fucking stop he gives people headaches.

>>377067920
This is the dumbest argument I've ever seen.
You're basically saying "I don't want more characters because it would be too hard to play them all".
If you can't keep up with different characters then don't play the game. But don't complain about the game potentially being ruined because you're too shit to learn the matchups.

>>377070823
Eh people need to not be pussies, the FGC would literally scream that me or my opponent was trash garbage in our ears while we were playing.

I also don't think tournament attendance can go down just because of one guy being annoying. Causation=/=correlation.

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>>377070794
Of course you will, and people will believe you despite of you just posting an image straight out of facebook.

Back to r/Kappa, newfag.

>>377064506
Well I guess you just ended m2k's career

>>377071042
Its not about playing its when its not happening nobody minds him if hes doing it for a good match on commentary its actually a good thing. But when were just sitting around off camera and hes just going and going and going and its like that every week is when it starts to become a problem for some people. As for DFW "dying" I dont think it was pooch alone at all Lunchables running train on everyone for years probably made it boring to stay around as well.

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>>377071404
I'm forced to use Facebook regularly to keep up with tournaments, smashboards has been dead for a long time so there's no other way.

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>>377071558
>ever saying this when smash.gg exists

Just stop with the false flagging, this is getting embarrassing.

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>>377040616

Stop giving sakurai full control over every smash game, he's more autistic then most posters here about how people have fun and that's scary

The older smashes were fun because it combined enjoyable, simple, and precise platforming movement with a very simple premise: knock the other fucker to the edge of the screen via damage the influences the physics

Things got too convoluted when samurai tried to put training wheels on nearly every aspect of those premises. As long as the next director understands this and can give sakurai minecraft to distract him we should get a new game that'll weed out the chaff by being solid

>>377068386
>>377068595
Double agreed, especially the cancer that is Cali scene

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>>377071693
>implying any tournament smaller than a regional uses smash.gg for registration.

Can't use smash.gg to learn about weeklies or smashfests anon.

Do you even compete or try to improve? Or do you just go to majors every now and then in hopes of getting some top player cock in your mouth? Keep acting like you know how a local scene works though, it's pretty funny to hear a stream monster act like he knows what he's stalking about.

>>377071952
Dont even get me started on you "people"

>>377047558
I want to sniff the inside of Wendy's frosty machine the day before it's monthly maintenance!

>>377063000

>Long ass hitstun

Those are some of the most meaty moves in the game, bucket and 9 do the whole freeze thing like warlock punch because they hit so hard. Luigi had it coming for filling up his bucket prior like a dumbass

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>>377071954
Smash.gg is used to host fucking online events and locals all the fucking time, you are just proving me right everytime you post with your retarded statements one after the other.

Just stop, this isn't even funny anymore (it is)

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>been to a couple melee locals
>always too spaghetti to ask for sets from people once I'm inevitably eliminated

I just want to practice against someone other than my friend who has eight secondaries and knows zero (0) tech because he mains Marth

>>377071928
MORE


SWORDS

>>377040616
Assassinate mang0 and all his fans

People at my local seen all have good hygiene, I don't get how you guys run into to all these people.
>>377071928
I agree, and disagree, Sakurai was one of the few who opposed putting Corrin in as an advertisement. I feel like if someone else is running the show sm5sh, might turn into a full marketing stunt for new games.

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>>377071693
Not that guy, but I would love smash.gg more if it wasn't so ass when it's hosting an online tourney bracket

It seems to enjoy extend DQ timers for absentees and once broke so hard it couldn't let participants record anything past game two

>>377072079
top player wanking from the south
weeaboo city in the north

nobody wins.

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>>377072160
>online events

I'm fucking dying

>>377072141
No thank you.

>>377072271

If anything, he needs someone like Iwata to keep his autism in check. Brawl and 4 happened when they took off his toddler leash

>>377048298
>unironically playing tr4sh
lmao

>>377072168
Then money match people you sperg.

>>377049283
I used to be hype for project wavedash, but they haven't put out any promising footage and they're forcing this """"diversity"""" into the character design.
Diversity meaning we haven't and probably won't see a character who is straight, white, and male.

>>377072160
I was around since before smash.gg even existed you fucking trash doc kid, get the fuck off this board.

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>>377072471
>still no proof

Here's your trophy mr. oldfag

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>>377072359

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I don't think there's any game I've ever played in my life that I enjoy just practicing like I do with Melee.
The movement and feel of practicing this game feels so good.

I wish it wasn't a 16 year old game that you have to meet people (((in person))) to play reliably and actually get better at.

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>>377072447
I don't know how you think that's less difficult to do than just asking people to play normally.

Also,
>me
>money

>>377072587
Congratulations you just admitted to being autistic.

>>377047996

Absolutely. This guy gets it. samurai hates people having fun in ways he doesn't approve of more the most people on this board, and that's a scary thought. Smash just needs to go back to what made the first 2 games so enjoyable and work AROUND the gameplay, not put your wacky bullshit in and bludgeon the gameplay into place

>>377072675
I never denied it, but I'll also say I've been spoiled by a decade wherein every multiplayer game has been focused specifically around online. Local multiplayer is dead.

>>377040616
remove melee fags

Tell me how anyone on this earth plays Fox. I don't understand this shit in the slightest. This is some 4D chess shit going on.

>>377069707
That last clip is awful. The Smash community doesn't even respect their own tournament organizers.

>>377072359
I think it would be interesting if they leashed someone like Kosuke Yabuki to him. Someone who could bring new ideas to the series, but in some ways also be Sakurai's student.

>>377073080
By picking up a controller and then inputting actions ins such a fashion that the character's actions correspond in the game.

>>377073080
You have to press L R A and Start first.

>>377073115
What happened in the last clip?

What if smash had YRC's? Would that break the game? I'm pretty sure it would lead to some bs kills.

Why are Melee fans so fucking reluctant to move on?

>>377074264
They like how melee plays and feels, and sm4sh just doesn't feel right to them.

>>377074264
why move on from a fun game to a game that's less fun

>>377074264
Becase there's nothing like Melee in the market, and that's not an understatement, aside PM (which can't be streamed to no scene) there's quite literally nothing with the gameplay of Melee.

What you FGCfriends don't realize is that we want to move on, but there's nowhere to go.

>>377074264

Autism.

Autists grow very attached to a single thing. Autistic children in particular grow super attached to one toy, and will basically go spastic hulk if they lose it.

>>377074264
we like the game

i wish half our community would move on, though. it's honestly an embarrassing group of people--and this is coming from someone who is generally proud/unashamed of his hobbies

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>>377040932
>being this buttmad a 16 year old children's game is more popular than your favorite fighting game

oh i'm laffin

>>377074264
>love playing chess to death
>all of the sudden, Chess 2 comes out
>chess2 plays nothing like chess, it's an absolutely different game, it plays like fucking rock paper scissors
>WHY ARE YOU STILL PLAYING CHESS!? PLAY THE NEW GAME ALREADY!

>>377074570
i don't think we (melee players) want to move on, or else we would have

pm is fine, just like smash 4 is fine, but it's not melee. it's impersonation melee. it employs a lot of the techniques, but they're easier to pull off/ there's more variety of tech that makes it a much different game than melee. this includes the dev's having rebalanced a couple times. melee is unique because it's 15 years old with no patches, therefore all the breakthroughs that are made/ meta shifts are completely due to the players pushing the meta and exploring

to me, project M really feels like it's a fanmade game. something about it doesn't sit right. it was fun, however, and the easier-to-execute tech skill etc really helped me get good at melee back in the day.

>>377074598
>we like the game
>i wish half our community would move on, though
>and this is coming from someone who is generally proud/unashamed of his hobbies
I don't understand, if people like the game. And the newer game doesn't feel as fun to them as the previous why should they move on? Is the only reason why because it embarrasses you?

>>377074264
autism. why else would they be playing a party game competitively? absolute autism

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>>377074751

>>377074876
I mean I get where you are coming from but PM fixed many of Melee's issues (which it has) and unlike Melee it was the only game that could be improved in a direction the community wants.

PM is jank but is also a great game, fanmade or not, and at certain tournaments it was starting to rival Melee in entrants numbers, it's just that in order to become an eSport (which even if you don't like it's the only way a fighting game will have a sizeable community nowadays) we had to drop it, because it couldn't be streamed, no streams = no views = no growth = no money = less players, and the cycle continues.

I love PM and I agree that is far from perfect, to the point where I would call Melee is the *better* game, but even then I would rather having the opportunity to improve PM than to be stuck with Melee forever.

>>377074941
noo, i mean there are some trash-tier kiddies making the community look bad. like people who dickride mango and call other players "lame", like hbox for playing a character they don't fully understand. There are people who actively criticize people who play any characters but the fastest in the game, just cus one top player qq's when he loses

I'm perfectly fine with melee. i don't care what others think of me being a part of the commuinity, is what i'm saying. but 'm also saying that there are a lot of people--the loud minority, probably--who need to grow up or stop representing the community so negatively

>>377075048
somebody should make an edit of this with actual Medieval warfare being the highest.

>>377075380
I agree.

>>377073942
Power in building goes out during a game. Crowd starts chanting "MVG" to mock the TO.

>>377075380
>>377074941

this is mostly due to the toxicity it breeds within the community itself. again, while it'd be wrong to say i dont care AT ALL about other's opinions, it's not driving me to quit the game. ill play this game as long as i have people to play it with. i just wish the community would be a little more reasonable, especially in dealing with itself

>>377066517
>nothing can beat Fox
>most major tournament wins for the past 2 years have been by a Jigglypuff main and a Peach main

>>377075281
yeah dawg, i feel that. i think PM, to be successful, should have beat its own path, being aware that it was different than melee in a lot of ways while simultaneously being a spiritual successor. i have no qualms with the game or people who like it, i just prefer melee, personally

i also feel some type of way about metas being changed due to patches alone. games like smash 4 got patched a month into their release. of course, diddy was broken and needed a fix. but with frequent balance changes, the community has no time to learn characters and push their limits. this is especially true in a tech-heavy game like smash, where, even today, we are learning new ways to push the system we've been playing for years

of course, there are good arguments for balance patches, but i think the gaming community in general is too quick to nerf / alter current iterations of games rather than spending time and learning new ways to play characters

that being said, the balance in pm was godlike. so many characters, and, at least for a while, nearly all of them were viable to win tourneys

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>>377066872
>glass cannon
>SS tier recovery

ok man whatever you say

SMASH PLAYERS ARE FAT FUCKING DISGUSTING
ASS SMELLING
BLOB
CHEESE DRINKING
CRISCO BATHING
LARD GARGLING
CALORIE THIEVING
CABBAGE PATCH FACE HAVING
DR ROBOTNIK LOOKING
WINGSTOP EATING
MCDONALDS GORGING
T REX ARM HAVING
NON VEGETABLE EATING
COOK WITH A GEORGE FOREMAN GRILL JUST TO DRINK OUT THE DRIP TRAY
WIDE LOAD
HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPO
PLANET
PRETENDING TO HAVE A FUCKING THYROID PROBLEM
WHALE/FREE WILLY
PARKED BUS
YOKOZUNA
FLUBBER
inhales KIRBY
SALAD DODGER
CHAIR CRUSHER
BUTTERBALL
GO TO SUBWAY BUT PUT EVERYTHING ON IT
MICHELIN MAN
HAPPY BECAUSE HOSTESS IS BACK IN BUSINESS MOTHERFUCKERS

>>377076248
>SS
It's good but it's not that good
>literally unedge-guardable tier
Puff
>You are going to have to work real hard tier
Peach
Mewtwo
>Great recovery tier
Pikachu
Pichu
Samus
>Good tier
Fox
Sheik
>Okay tier
Marth
Young Link
Falco

>>377075508

Lol that's not even what happened. Tournament had awful problems all day and some dude tripped over the fucking power cable.

>>377076248
He can't have SS tie recovery because Jiggs and Peach exist. Hbox can play entire sets against top 20 level players and manage to not get edgeguarded once. Same thing with Armada. Fox does have it better than most characters, but it's A tier at best.

>>377076642
>Sheik in the same tier as fox
>Marth below sheik
>Samus above Fox
>Pichu above Fox
>sheik not a bottom tier recovery

do you even play melee lmao, I don't know why you're even listing recoveries from irrelevant characters at all. Among the characters that actually matter this is the actual recovery tier list.


Puff
Peach
Pika
Fox
Marth
Samus
Falco
Ice Climbers
Sheik
Falcon

>>377074876
Your right PM is nothing like Melee it has footsies characters that dont all share the same nair and ftilt we dont fall through stages and we dont have phantom hits associating it with trash like Melee is rude to PM.
>>377075281
Its not better its just got nintendos seal of approval which was the only thing that kept it from killing melee when sm4sh came out and Nintendo got involved.

Going to a smash 4 local on Wednesday any tips besides
>play melee fag
>faggot sm4sh
>play a real game
Yes any real tips?

>>377077142
As a Sheik main I agree that her recovery can be ass, but there is no way Ice Climbers have a better recovery than her. If your character can get invalidated by Marth spamming f smash by the ledge they have a worse recovery than Sheik.

>>377074570
This has always astounded me. Why isn't there anything else like Melee in the market? You'd think at this point some marketing guy would've drawn a correlation between revenue from PC games and twitch viewership, noticed that Melee is the only eSport game not generating any revenue for the company who made it, and attempted to make something similar in order to compete and draw in its massive audience.

If a game from 2001 with no online functionality that requires old hardware to play can be as popular as it is now, imagine how popular Melee would be if it had modern gaming features like remappable controls, online functionality, and regular balance patching and additional characters.

>>377077318
You're going to go 0-2, stay after bracket to play friendlies with real people. Don't be shy to join a setup. Don't ask extremely vague questions like ''What should I be doing better?'' or ''How do I approach X in neutral?'' Be specific with your questions if you want a good answer.

>>377077318
>TR4SH
Kill yourself

>>377077470
That's only if your sopo, Icies at least have a few degrees of mixups since squall hammer takes them super high if you mash and up B doesn't have the same ridiculous landlag as Vanish does.

Then again I'm biased since I play PM where ICs have great recovery so idk.

>>377077318
Grab a lot.
Dont shower so you fit in.

>>377077318
Show up early to warm up and play friendlies before hand. Don't be a filthy unwashed neckbeard. Don't have a wireless controller. That's it.

>>377077142
Samus never dies
>marth
>above Samus and Falco

Literally how? It's just a slightly better version of Samus upB without any of the mixups. Also even if shorter Falco still has a billion gorillion angles, an ezpz sweetspot and side B, the literal teleport into stage recovery.

>>377077318
Play friendlies with various people. Take them seriously. Recognize what gets you punished/killed and ask about dealing with specific situations.

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>>377040616
Stop including Melee in Smash tournaments. Problem solved.

>>377077956
But 90% of Smash majors are for Melee by Melee players.

>>377077218
lol wait u hate melee? the point of my post wasn't to say PM is trash, it was to say PM is different and caters to different styles. there are plenty of advantages to the varied chcaracters and easier to pull off tech

i personally used it as melee-training-wheels, but i respect that people play it still. sorry it got derailed from the streaming world

also, i dont think pm would have killed melee, hombre. melee has a bigger following, has more crisp gameplay, and is a ""polished"" game made by nintendo. the dudes on PM's team did a great job, but some interactions are wonky, the animations are sometimes ugly, etc.

yes, no phantom hits or rare glitches where you go through the stage (which has only happened to me once in my entire life playing). phantoms are bad, but they don't negate the entire game. besides, if you complain about (even a broken) mechanic that has been around for 15 years, you need to keep playing PM anway. just let the dev's nerf away your problems

>>377077648
The problem is that the mixups get easily countered. Squall loses to disjoint and the up b gets a free punish on the climber of your choosing. Being able to sweet spot with part 1 of up b and being able to throw multiple attacks and still make it back on stage afterwords make Sheik much safer at recovering during the lower percents.

>>377077813
Falco is autodead if he has to recover from below the stage but if he's recovering from high you're right.

Marth's recovery actually has more mixups than Samus due to having multiple stalling options that aren't slow as fuck and reactable like Samus's are, Samus's just takes forever to edgeguard but its really just a matter of not fucking up.

>>377077142
I think it's more like this recovery-wise:

Puff
Peach
Pika
Samus
Fox
Falco
ICs
Luigi
Sheik
Yoshi
Falcon

>>377077218
oh i see. you're one of those dudes who refuses to play any char higher tier than yoshi and then bitches when fox/falcon/falco/puff mains win, right?

pls get over it or keep playing your dead game

DEAD GAME

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>>377078061
>melee
>polished

the game is literally unfinished. Game & Watch cannot L-cancel three of his aerials because they literally ran out of time to program the animations. That's the most apparent example but there's also tons of glitches and broken shit that detract from the game and feel like oversights on the developers (Puff's massive invisible disjoint on BAir, wobbling, wall infinites, invuln on shine...)

I don't hate melee like him but melee is absolutely the opposite of polished. PM has its fair share of glitches and unpolished stuff too though.

>Nintendo
>polished

lol

>>377078142
the reason people place fox and falco higher than a lot on that list (like samus) is because they have TWO very QUICK recoveries. I main samus, and while she can get back form anywhere, that's not the hard part. actually getting safely to ledge can be very difficult, especially given how much time your opponent has to set up/punish you. in fact, there are times my opponent dies as im recovering, and they come back from death and STILL edgeguard me

fox and falco are the only two chars in the game with two recoveries that both sweetspot. the mixups that you can do are insane, given shortens, angles, etc. no other char can angle like they can, no other char can come from as far down/off stage as fox while still being able to sweet spot the ledge.

that safety net, as well as the range from which you can achieve it, is what makes them perhaps the best in the game. puff and samus don't die easily, naturally, but that's different from "recovery"

>>377078613
I agree with Samus but Puff's recovery is far and away the best in the game, it's not slow and vulnerable like Samus's is, she can consistently protect herself with aerials the entire time and has far, far more control over her aerial mobility during it. How many times have you seen a puff get edge-guarded to death from 0 in tournament compared to every other character?

>>377078484
i put ""polished"" in quotes, because it's not really lol. what i meant is, the presentation is better. the animations are crisp, and it feels like youre playing a game that was intended to play the way it does (despite the glitches that do appear from time to time). i think, presentation wise, melee is more polished, but that's my opinion.

if u have pm, do fsmash with charizard and look how shitty the animation looks. i know that's nit-picky in a game thats primarily about how it feels to play, but its detracting.

i also feel like pm is just clunky... it's hard to explain, so i wont try to that hard, but the game feels like it was made by a fan, especially since it's trying to fit the mold of melee while being built on another engine entirely

>>377078729
yeah u right u right. i guess it's just weird to me calling it a "recovery". i DO see her get spiked when she's out of position/used a lot of jumps, but her ability to soar high above the ledge is something i forgot to take into account. she can just bypass typical means of edgeguards

>>377078834
I honestly feel the exact opposite way to everything you said. I guess it's just a matter of preference since I got more into PM than melee first so to me Melee feels different since I'm used to PM.

Also stop phoneposting please, I hate seeing people on /v/ type like they're on youtube comments.

>>377078834
This is exactly how I felt when paying PM, I felt like I was fighting the game to pull of the attacks. It feels janky, and stale. Don't get me wrong it's fun, but the game feels like it tries to tell me what to do, and press.

If you main peach you are a fucking faggot

picking a pink princess lmao fairy boys

>>377079272
Melee used to feel that way for me, its because the different engines give each game a different game feel that's oddly similar so if you're used to one the other will feel really bizarre to you at first.

After playing melee for a few months the feeling went away for me and now both games feel really good.

Another tip is don't play the same character you do in Melee in PM. They will feel unnatural in whatever game you're not used to.

>>377078952
i never understood why people hate phone posting. i do it all the time. btw, i typed everything on here on my computer. are you mad that i don't capitalize? I'm a writer and teacher and if I'm not writing something to be published/reviewed, i'm not capitalizing lol

yeah yeah, it takes no time at all to hold down caps. sarcasm aside, sorry it bothers you. but i ain't gon' change

>>377079940
>>377078952

also word to your first point. it's dope that we can disagree, and its dope that smash games have so much diversity

>>377080015
Pretty funny that I'm having more civil conversations on 4chan about smash than I do with the people in my region

>>377079940
>i'm a writer
A shitty one

>>377080063
lmao i know, right?

people who get pissy about things like that are usually just insecure, in my experience. idk why, but they feel threatened by the other communities, as if it really matters if one game is objectively better anyway (which is impossible to prove)

just like what you like and be respectful. usually works out the best that way

>>377078061
PM was getting more entrants at some events and going even or barely behind at others it would have killed Melee for sure. Sure some stuff about PM isn't polished doesn't change the fact its overall more polished. Bitching about timing changes like when you can meteor cancel wasn't to make it easier it was to buff meteors cuz they suck dick in Melee. Ill have enough respect for Melee for starting something but at the end of the day it does what it set out to do poorly and PM while nowhere near perfect id even say just mediocre did it so much better. But because its not 1 to 1 you people just go "Well something just feels off about it" because you have no excuse to admit it does it better most just say its trash and cant actually say why you just say "Oh well its casual cuz L cancelling window is larger by a frame" but never stop to think about how much more knowledge you have to have to even do decent in a tournament or the fact that PM has more ways to mix up and more ways to move and overall has so much more to its decision making. But because some windows are a frame larger its "Melee on training wheels" because M-muh actions per minute meme when that has nothing to do with making a solid game its just another shitty remark to try and undermine anyone calling out one of the fucking many things that makes Melee a shitty game.

>>377074751
>Chess 2
>not playing Chess Championship Edition DX+

>>377080285
hehehe

my writing is bad because I say "u" and don't capitalize!!! my syntax is trash!!! i can't form sentences!!! i don't press shift!!! my arguments are therefore invalid!!!

i think what you mean is my capitalization is trash. my writing is sound, hombre

>>377079272
Yeah and as a Pm player I try and play Melee and feel like im in fucking molasses its because you're used to something else of course playing something similar but not the same will just feel wonky its cuz its not what you're used to faggot.

I hope Super Smash Bros for WiiU
is final "Super Smash" game

Next game is "New Smash bros"
Only 16 characters
The characters are all redesigned

This thread is proof that it can't be saved, for some reason everyone gets REALLY angry about it

>>377046247
this

>>377080532
no no, i already said, i have no problem with the L cancel window being longer, or what have you. the reason i responded with hostility is because you came at my post, calling melee out.

i agree, a lot of melee fans are whiners and complain about other games. to me, it makes no sense. i don't care how many entrants a game gets, and (despite my riffing on PM being dead), I'm truly sorry for the people who wish it continued its vibrant competitive scene.

believe it or not, it's ok that I think something feels off. I realize it's not 1:1, but I also am very content with melee. why would i want a literal clone of a game i already enjoy playing? it just, (tooo meee) feels bad in my hands. again, it's completely fine that you like playing it, my guy.

I used it, personally, as melee on training wheels because my tech was trash. if it weren't for PM's accessibility, which melee is lacking, i would not be able to play melee the way i do today

admittedly, i called you out for your rage. i don't wholeheartedly believe that PM is trash lol, it's just not my personal game of choice. the only thing I will continue to push you on is that it's ok that i think it feels off. there's nothing wrong with my thinking that, and, as stated previously, has little to do with it not being 1:1 melee.

I also appreciate floaties, and anyone who gets mad at a game not being "gottagofast: the game" is just deluded anyway

>>377080686
dude, it's ok that he has a differing opinion. he and I are just discussing the fact that we have a similar feeling when playing PM. no one is hating on your game.

likewise, it's ok that you think melee is clunky. it's, as you said prior to calling him a faggot, what you're used to

>>377067389
It's a reference to the old story about Van Halen putting "we expect a bowl of M&Ms backstage BUT NO BROWN ONES!" in their contracts with concert venues then smashing up the stage the one time a venue gave them a bowl with brown M&Ms

>>377080702
So just Dragon King: The Fighting Game?

>>377081013
My only real issue which is what upsets me the most is when people go "Why would I want a newer version of something I already enjoy" Why wouldn't you want something that makes the playground more vibrant and expansive I just dont get that you're content with not moving forward and I cannot understand that mentality at all. As for Silent dooms awful animation I cant defend that but I will say a lot of the melee casts animations are much more simple in what they do compared to the average PM character.
>>377081112
Made that post before reading other things so ill admit that was my bad.

>>377080590
>implying no caps is the only reason your writing is shitty
You also lack self awareness, I see, I pity your students.

>>377081691
please, explain to me what is wrong with my writing. i actually enjoy learning new things

Zyklon B

>>377081812
>hehehe
>my writing is sound
>my syntax is trash!!! i can't form sentences!!! i don't press shift!!!
>posting. i do it all the time.
>I'm a writer and teacher and

You figure it out.

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>>377040616
>How do we fix the Smash community?

It's impossible.
Only a fraction of people who played Smash were playing competitively, instead of as a party game. Every tournyfag Smash players was a big fish in a small pond when he was sixteen and thinks he's hot shit. The actually good players go to tournaments with the same toxic mentality, and all the wannabes watch from home without ever getting a wake-up call.

Contrast this with "traditional" fighting games, where playing the game meant that everyone was playing competitively with the same rules and expectations. And those games came from arcades, where there was ALWAYS someone better than you. Even though the US scene is mostly consoles these days, the culture is still respectful.

Every other fighter came out of arcades. Smash came out of mom's basement.

>>377082359

>Only a fraction of people who played Smash were playing competitively, instead of as a party game. Every tournyfag Smash players was a big fish in a small pond when he was sixteen and thinks he's hot shit. The actually good players go to tournaments with the same toxic mentality, and all the wannabes watch from home without ever getting a wake-up call.


Have you seen the FGC? It's literally the exact same.

>>377082320
L O L

awesome, for a second there I was worried I might have actually been out of line.

btw, let me know when you wanna go back to that argument we had earlier--as in, the argument you derailed to nit-pick my writing since you ran out of counter points.

>hehehehe

>>377082613
Also is your enter key broken or what the fuck

>>377082681
yeah it's broken :(

>>377082575
>Have you seen the FGC? It's literally the exact same.

Not even close to true. Even during the decade when fighting games lost popularity/availability in arcades but hadn't reached online match-making yet, there was still the fundamental fact that everyone is playing fighting games to win using the same ruleset. No one was ever playing street fighter "for fun" with a "no fireballs allowed" rule, but the majority of people who play Smash are fucking around and drinking, playing 4-man free-for-alls with items turned on in Timed Mode with 200% damage. The people who play Smash with competitive rules are a minority, and they LOVE that because it means they get to whoop their friend's asses in an asymmetrical fight.

So you could definitely have the Street Fighter player that was the king of his arcade, but you never had the one douchebag in the friend group who bitched that you were playing the game wrong. It's just a different culture. For every fuckhead like LowTierGod in "traditional" fighting games, there are a thousand whiny, disrespectful Smash players.

Ken in his prime is dropped on the scene
What happens?

>>377083240
>F smashes

>>377083240
More frequent use of Marth's special moves in neutral.

>>377047463
>Wobbles almost had the most legendary losers run of all time

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>discussion opens about Melee HD
>handful want some buffs to the dire bottom tier. Mr. G&W in particular would go far if his shield and aerial l-cancelling literally just worked properly
>Melee community shits their poopoo buckets about having more matchups to learn
>communities of far more technical games such as SF4/Tekken/Gundam Versus have no problem juggling 35+ characters

>>377048624

a couple of controller configurations makes this totally possible in dolphin

HIGHLY recommended, this game is much more enjoyable without the motion control gimmick

>>377085040
>Melee HD has to be EXACTLY the same as Melee. Exactly the same. All the way down to how the characters move and feel.

>It has to be the US version, not the europoor one where Fox is nerfed!

>Any changes will SPLIT THE COMMUNITY!!!

Seriously.

>>377054653
>an actual post that gives something for others in the thread to think about
>it gets meme responses

Why can't people not be retarted? This guy gave some really good examples, and nothing that was really "out there". A nice, reasonable list like this shouldn't be met with meme answers.

>>377086074
This is /v/, after all

Anybody hype for Tekken 7?