The next Star Fox game could be announced at this E3. Who is hyped?

just let it die. nintendo clearly doesnt know what to do with the series. i mean how times are they remake star fox 64 which was apparently a lightning in a bottle for them.

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>>377026686
I like star fox but if they want their IP to sell anywhere near well, they're going to need to stop doing on rail shooters

>>377026686

I love the franchise but I hope they don't show anything. At this point I dont think there's anything they can do to redeem the shit they've put out since 64.

star fox was never good.
people just realized it without the nostalgia goggles.

>>377026686
Not a chance. 0 was hated almost unilaterally. Only the highest-tier autists convinced themselves the game was good.

>>377027125

On rails is fine

Please don't. If you're out of ideas just let it rest for a while.

When Nintendo themselves can't get it right, it's time to move on.

>>377027317
OH MY GOD ITS BOCO11!!!

BOCO TELL ME YOUR LIFE STORY! I WANT TO KNOW ALL ABOUT YOU!!!!!1111

YOURE SO FAMOUS OH MY GOD I JUST WET MYSELF THINKING ABOUT YOU

>>377027125
Star fox flight sim when?

>>377026686
The last good game was 64. This series needs to be laid to rest.

>>377027317
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Assault was the last good Star Fox game. Prove me wrong.

pro tip: _____you simply cannot.

>>377027125

Well they tried to experiment with Star Fox Assault, but it wasn't received well.

>>377027787
The flight segments were all some of the best in the series but the ground segments were both awful and way too common, and the story was full-throttle autism.

>>377027296
>On rails is fine
No, it's not. Nobody wants to play a 2-3 hour game with no replayability, no meaningful unlockables, and no multiplayer. On-rails would be fresher if it incorporated randomization of enemy placement or travel paths through the levels, but that's far more effort than Nintendo is willing to put into he game and it would upset the 3 autistic who actually play these games for the "high score".

Star Fox needs a rivitalization, not a reboot. Every other major Nintendo IP has succeeded playing around with different genres, and Star Fox has stagnated specifically trying to appeal to nostalgiafags and their SF64 boners.

>>377027914
Would you play it if the game only cost you $10 to $15 ?

>>377027897
Ground segments were not that awful, and the story was usual "alien race tries to conquer galaxy" stuff.

>>377027914

Again, Star Fox DID experiment. It did this with Star Fox Adventures, an entirely different genre, then again with Assault. Neither of the two sold particularly well. There are ways to make on-rails game shooters fresh, Sin and Punishment 2 is a fine example of this. You don't need to reinvent the wheel every time. That's Sonic Team levels of retardation.

>>377028092

I actually liked switching between Arwing, Landmaster, and on-foot. Those ground segments where I could basically do anything I wanted were fun.

>>377027914
>Star Fox has stagnated specifically trying to appeal to nostalgiafags and their SF64 boners.

Which games did that exactly?

>>377028206
Exactly. Sure some of the controls could have been done a little better, but they're not as awful as everyone makes it out to be.

>>377028121
I kinda liked adventures.

>>377026991
this. sf64 was a masterpiece. they tried doing the same thing but injecting their patented nintendo gimmick, and it didn't work out too well.

>>377027914
>With no replayability

It's cute that people pretend that Zero didn't have any replayability at all.

>>377026991
I was so hyped for Zero. I didn't even care about the odd controls. But it pretty much looks like a SF64 remake. Pissed me the fuck off because they've already remade it once.

>All of these plebs that didnt git gud at SF0 simply by learning how to aim without looking at the gamepad.
A 6/10 for me, at least its not pure cancer like SF: Adventures.

>>377027535
>>377027739
>says the people responding to a fucking thread with OP's name

>>377028626
Not an argument

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>>377027125
that's funny

since Star Fox Assault, Star Fox was rarely within the railshooter genre

everything was all-range gameplay or a ground-based TPS ala Star Fox 2

>>377027535
>>377027739
>Cody in the OP again while people scream about that spic Boco

wew

>>377028771
Pleb: wtf DS is so hard i dont what to do or where to go or how to level up!
/v/: gitgut
pleb: wtf i love DS now!

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Star Fox needs fast, tight action and a good atmosphere. 64 had the music, the radio chatter, the mission briefings and debriefings, not a moment in which the player wasn't engaged with the game in some way.

>>377028431

I regret selling Adventures. At the time I was being a try-hard and just getting rid of all games that weren't buttfucking hard.

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>>377028626
>All of these plebs that didnt git gud at SF Command simply by learning how to cope with the touchscreen controls
what did he mean by this?

>>377028964
>>377028745

don't be so jealous he gets all the attention and you don't

>>377029353

Command had more problems than just the controls.

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>>377026686
>SFZ bombed and critically panned
>"N-next Starfox game is comming guys!"

>Metroid rumors surface
>"Metroid is dead! You're all entitled pretendos for not buying FedForce. Metroid never sells" etc.

You've a special kind of autism Cody.

>>377029381
if i wanted attention, i'd go to youtube or post memes on twitter.

>>377029353

Command was garbage regardless of the controls.

Ultimately, what will happen with Zero is that Nintendo will release a new game that improves on it, redeeming Zero in the eyes of the haters.

>>377028525
>Pissed me the fuck off because they've already remade it once.
Not to mention 64 itself was a reboot/remake itself.
Star Fox 2 is only Star Fox game made by Nintendo that even attempts to do anything different, and they didn't even release it.

starfox was a pretty successful series on the snes and n64, i don't understand why nintendo banished it to experimental sidegame hell

>>377029456

He even shits on Xenoblade. I think the guy is just pretending to take every shitty position imaginable to ruse people.

>>377029483
b-but Cody said Command was a good game

>>377026686
>2 screen gimmick was such a bad idea that they dropped it forever
GG Miyamoto

>name is cody
>seeing shit about some star fox jacking guy also named cody
What epic meemay am I missing out on?

They'll make Star Fox Zero Two right after they complete the Metroid game they're working on.

>>377029692

Yeah, I'm convinced, his entire persona is just one big ruse cruise. Kind of like ACfag.

>>377029456
I'm sure a new Metroid is coming as well. My problem with the Metroid ''''''rumors'''' is the source.

>>377029782

But not until they work on Mother 4 and that Advance Wars sequel they have in the works.

>>377029456
Cody gave up on Metroid after FF bombed every were else and his predictions ending up being

now he's latching on FE in spite and hoping it'll stomp away the series
(which won't, Awakening will never have the same success the first Prime game or Star Fox 64 did for it's series.)

>>377029993
*being dud

>>377027274
I think you mean unanimously. Find a dictionary and use it.

>>377026686
can't wait fur star fox adventures 2!

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>>377029483
he also said Conquest was a disaster while Awakening isn't cancer at all

why do people take this autist seriously?
>can't even debate with a ex-Nintendo faggot like pic related or Shokio

>>377027317
shut up furfaggot

>>377029797
At least ACfag likes games that arent shit

>>377030269

Oh God this nigger. Don't even get me started on this faggot.

>>377030396

Which ones are those?

>>377030492
Shovel Knight

>>377026991

Well, they could do what they did with Punch-Out, and hand the name off to some western studio. The series has usually done better overseas anyway.

>>377030492
He thinks Super Metroid is perfection, whil Cody thinks Federation force is beter than Prime 1 and Super

>>377029582

>>377029582

It sold 4 million on N64, so it is curious as to why they thought it was a good idea to fuck around with it. Gamecube era was a strange time of experimentation, even Mario was going through a kind of weird phase with Sunshine.

It's like Nintendo in their teen years or something.

>>377030605
That's what they did with NLG, Retro, and NST.

Metroid has been primarily a western developed series for quite some time now.

>>377030654

Well now, that is a surprise. I didn't think that guy liked anything related to Nintendo.

>>377030654
Not Super. That one is my favorite.

>>377030675

Nintendo is that kid who keeps picking at a scab instead of letting it heal.

>>377030654
>whil Cody thinks Federation force is beter than Prime 1 and Super
That's just blatant falseflagging, no one is that retarded.

>>377030836
I dont remember giving your fuckass permission to respond to me shittaste faggot

>>377030842

I was that kid. I was also that kid who tore off hang nails.

>>377030836
What do you think of Prime, the first one?

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if the next Star Fox game repeat it's mistakes again, this series is absolutely done.

Star Fox can't thrive on bad reception over and over again.

Miyamoto even talked about how much he wanted new players to buy and enjoy the 643D on the 3DS in a Iwata Asks. (Which somewhat found its success somewhere)

The next thing that will happen for the series is that Nintendo's Sales Manger will have to tell Miyamoto to cancel the series like they tried with Fire Emblem.

right now, Star Fox is in the tight edge like how Shadow Dragon DS was doing for Fire Emblem. Zip-Lash for Chibi-Robo, and F-Zero Climax flopping in Japan

>>377030997
I like it. However, I don't consider it one of the best games ever made.

>>377031059

Poor Chibi Robo. That ones never coming back.

>>377031062
>I don't consider it one of the best games ever made.
Give me your top five games Cody.

>>377030654
Cody is actually a Superfag

he thinks FF outplayed the entire sub-series while Federation Force is the only Prime game that come close as good to Super Metroid.

>>377029381
You really are a gigantic, paranoid idiot.

Or Cody, who is also the above.

>>377027897
>The flight segments were all some of the best in the series
I disagree.
The pacing is poor with a ton of lulls in the action.
Movement was simplified since they more or less removed the need to tilt the Arwing left or right to move faster to the sides or fit through vertical openings, instead the Arwing moves fast in all directions at all times and tapping a shoulder button just once does a barrel roll.
Visual and aural feedback is poor, everything looks and sounds weak and shitty. Boosting sounds like a handheld vacuum cleaner, smart bomb area of effect is hard to see as the graphics suck, player or enemy taking damage is less obvious than previous games, screen does not tilt when the player moves to the sides, etc.

>>377028386
The controls are poor, but the real problem is the content in the ground segments, which universally ranges from mediocre to shit. The biggest problem is that all of the maps are just multiplayer maps lazily repurposed for single player by populating them with boring enemies, and boring objectives like destroy the enemy spawners.
If the levels had been designed specifically for single player, being linear and set-piece filled like an RE4 or Metal Arms or Vanquish or whatever, and they had time to create worthwhile enemies to fight instead of cobbling together all of single player at the last minute, then it probably would have been good.

>>377031339

Oh God, not you again. I wonder who else is going to come out of the woodwork. Maybe Onsakumaru or whatever the fuck his name was.

>>377031438
I want Donkey Kong back

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>Nintendo doesn't care about Metacritic scor-

>>377031532

Its the WiiU. They tried literally anything to save that sinking ship.

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>>377030605
wasnt Zero co-produced by Platinum? wish they actually gave them more control over it. we could easily had a Fzero/Vanquish in space with jets

>>377028121
>Star Fox DID experiment. It did this with Star Fox Adventures, an entirely different genre
Can we stop pretending SF Adventures was an attempt to take the series in a bold new direction, and not just Nintendo making an original Rare IP into their own IP before they cut ties with Rare?

>>377031658
>They tried literally anything to save that sinking ship.
Except good marketing.

>>377031818
Bad marketing was how it started. And they'd rather die than admit they fucked up.

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here are your two options to save Star Fox

>1:
you either move on from being a simple railshooter to stuff like Ass Effect x Battlefront 2 x Rogue Squadron 3 for the next 2-3 gens. Retro Studios and Factor 5 will be in charge of the series, and of course, Tanabe will take Miyamoto's place as the core producer for the series.

this will give an broader effect for Star Fox to constant Major IP status like it did with FE with Awakening/Fates. the newblood however won't give a shit about any basic Star Fox game that came out long ago, so expect some gruel alienation.

>2:
give the Star Fox development to Sora LTD. and Bamco, Sakurai will be able to create a Star Fox game that will last more than KI: Uprising, Assault, S'nP and SF64+3D did. (as a bonus, more Star Fox characters in Smash 5!)

the catch is that Sakurai isn't a fan of sequels, so this won't go on forever. this will give fans a perfect template to stick with for the series, but the problem is that Nintendo won't produce as many as they could like games like Awakening, Metroid Prime, 3D Zelda, etc. and also fears of fucking up the follow up.

also sales being still under 2mil, "the worldwide standard" according to Nintendo HQ

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>>377031438
Damn right. I'm still fighting blind Ninten drones and putting down Nintendo's bullshit business practices wherever I can. Taken to Facebook and YouTube, lately.

And of course, here, anonymously.

>>377031701

Well, regardless, it was a Star Fox game in a completely different genre, and it didn't sell particularly well in comparison to 64. I don't think what they need is more genre changes or anything like that.

>>377032065
Bowser is a good father

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>>377032065

Well you should stay on Facebook and Youtube. It's where tripfaggots belong.

>>377031997
The rail shooting in Kid Icarus Uprising isn't all that good, so I don't find that option enticing at all.

>>377032321
I want to impregnate Krystal

>>377032329
it doesn't have to have Uprising railshooting actually.

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>>377032254
I tried to get a permaban 2 weeks ago after daggers were defending MK8's item imbalance and rubberbanding, but it didn't go.
REALLY don't feel like posting CP.

It's interesting how Pretendos are now pretending that they NEVER wanted a 64 like game, and instead wanted more spin offs.

You know, the exact opposite of what people were saying since 64 came out.

I think this, more than anything, demonstrates that the people bitching about Star Fox today are not real fans.

>>377032684
Did you know that there is more than one person on /v/?

>>377032321
>Implying Miyazaki will put Krystal in any new Star Fox game
He just wants to forget she exists because of how hard he fucked Rare over. It's why he constantly remakes Star Fox 64.

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>>377032749
no he doesn't

>>377026686
>le andross returns
>le no multiplayer
no

>>377032804
Her laid-back personality combined with her gender fucks up the team's dynamics, anyway.

>>377032804
>Miyazaki
>Star Fox

>>377026686
Fucking kill yourself Cody.

>>377033071
Miyamoto
Whoops

>>377032640

Don't do that. You're one of the few people here with a brain.

>>377033114
Not an argument.

>>377033186
Not an argument.

>>377033131
you're still wrong regardless

https://youtu.be/WT9vXXgGcsA?t=286

next time they do a follow up to shitty Zero, they're bring back a couple of characters to Star Fox again

>>377033257
Bring back Miyu and Fay. They deserve to be in more than Krystal.

>>377027863
Assault is a natural progression of the series honestly. A polished version of it with better balance in variety of missions would be amazing.

Could you imagine online multiplayer for this? Everyone running around scrambling for vehicles. Standing on your friend's Arwing helping him pick people off. It'd be the best multiplayer game ever.

>>377033370
I want all of them

>>377032684
I'm sure you've forgotten since it doesn't fit whatever you're wanting to believe, but much of the criticism leveled at Zero was that it was an inferior rail shooter compared with 64 from 19 years ago, and that it rehashed a ton of content instead of offering all new content.
The implication there is pretty clearly that they wanted a bigger and better 64 with new levels and bosses and shit and what they got was something they consider mediocre instead, not that they wanted something totally different.

And some people were saying that a modern Star Fox rail shooter would not do well for ages, years before Zero was even announced. Were you ever in any Star Fox threads in that time?

There are tons of people who still want a rail shooter, but this time a great one, and tons of people who always wanted the series to do something else, and still do.

>>377033534
this

>>377033534
>>377033693
Don't be greedy.

You can have the dog and cat, or you can have the shitty blue one. Not both.

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>>377033154
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT MORE THAN YOU MIGHT THINK

But that's exactly why I tried - I can't take it any more!

I'm not going to have ANY good games if I don't keep trying, though. I'm formulating a big business-formatted email, paper, maybe even a PowerPoint to demonstrate how they're fucking up using reviews and sales.

>>377033916
too bad, you're not making the next game

>>377033916
Blue one then, because she pisses off boco and the gayfags

>>377033602
>Rehashed a ton of content

No.

No one who shits on Zero actually played it, clearly.

>>377026991
>Remake

Please tell me how Star Fox Zero and Star Fox 64 are the same game.

Ill wait.

>>377033257
I don't see a follow-up happening unless they can come up with some hardware gimmick to pedal.
Star Fox Zero only exists because they wanted to show that dual screen gameplay can exist. The Star Fox property is just a vehicle for that gimmick.

I'd like them to make a new Star Fox because they are actually interested in expanding and improving the franchise, or just making a new fun game, but that's not at all what happened with Zero.

>>377034141

Story wise.

And pretty much every level, too.

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>>377034032
Make Miyu&Fay a couple and you'd probably piss them off even more.

>>377034313
>not having Miyu and Faye as a couple and Krystal and Fox as an offscreen couple
Lets piss off Togepi in the process too

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>>377026686
It's not worth it right now, with Shiggy still in charge.

the last semi-original Star Fox game was Assault, which is now 12 years old. Miyamoto is not capable of making a game better than Assault at this point. He will just keep regurgitating shit games with no depth. He doesn't understand the series, or how to improve upon the formula.

The best course of action is to wait for Shiggy to retire, or hope Nintendo passes the series on to someone more capable due to Zero being a massive flop.

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>>377034134
Dude, like half the levels and bosses and so on are borrowed from previous games, albeit with different layouts, attack patterns, etc.
The story is basically 64 again, which itself was basically the SNES original again.
Some "new" content or ideas like the Arwing transformation are even borrowed from earlier games.

>>377034289
>Story wise

Okay, so according to that logic, every Zelda game is the same because Ganon is always causing trouble. Every mario game is the same because Bowser is always causing trouble.

Did you hear how stupid that sounds.

>>377034496
>with Shiggy still in charge.
He's the only reason that a Star Fox game will ever be made. Might as well just kill it at this point.

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Give Retro Studios the funds to make the next game

Let them make the next Wario game while we're at it

>>377034496
How was Assault original? It just expanded on 64 multiplayer which already had on-foot gameplay, and brought it into single player, removed somewhat unique series concepts like branching paths, and was overall a more generic package.

Command is more original, even though it was heavily inspired by 2, and Command was dogshit.

Star Fox needs more females

>Not making a sequel to Star Fox Assault and giving it Splatoons aiming, gyro included for ON FOOT ONLY with expanded levels for the Arwing

I'd buy it as soon as possible
Especially if they put online multiplayer in the game.

>>377034532

No, you idiot. Zero once again shows Andross making his first appearance and first attempt to conquer the Lylat System.

Use your head.

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Kill off StarFox

Make Super Mario Airforce and see if it sells.

>>377034969
this

>>377034937
New Enemies, better storytelling, a new art style, and a fun multiplayer mode that improved upon the N64 multiplayer.

that's why I said semi-original. It took ideas from past series in improved upon them while also adding a few new nuggets. I agree about the lack of branching paths though. didn't like how they removed that.

Command didn't improve upon anything.

>>377035304
Have you played a Zelda game? There's been a fair few faggots in them.

>>377035108
Too heavy for Nintendo's franchises.

But General Pepper pissing off a penitent Andrew that was trying to make a great boon to society but had a crazy destructive accident (could be Andross that made the accident happen) might make that dichotomy work, then you'd play as Andrew/Andross' big bads, including Star Wolf and STEP ON THE GAS

>>377028486
How's your site? Break more than 10 visitors a day yet?

>>377034134
nigga this is like the 4 time they did a Star Fox game that "tried" to take things from the cancelled game and be like the first one

they even took the second boss from Assault and put it in 0, that's not rehashing?

>>377031532
2014 was Wii U's best year. No doubt.

>>377035304
>Earthbound (Jeff's friend is gay)
>newer Fire Emblem games
>Breath of the Wind's creepy homo stereotypes and even before it

Hey Cody

How mad on a scale of 1-10 will you be when the Rabbids thing is revealed?

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>>377035385
>New Enemies
That's most sequels that exist, dude.
>better storytelling
I disagree, but in retrospect, at least it wasn't "Andross is conquering the Lylat system for the first time! We've gotta stop him!" At least there was that.
>a new art style
That's every Star Fox game. They all have their own art style to some extent, aside from 1 & 2 which are more or less the same.
Command has a stronger and more distinct new art style, though it is also complete shit.

>Command didn't improve upon anything.
Yeah.... because it was more original instead. Hard to improve upon something from the past when you're doing something different instead.

Assault is not "semi-original". Fuck off.

>>377035297
kill any IP that isn't Animal Crossing at this point

would a 2D Metroidvania Mario work?

They need to revisit the Assault formula. Only this time get a better story, and some on-rails levels that are more fun. Less on-foot missions. They're fun, but not for traversing maze-like levels for 20 minutes just to shoot six enemies.

>>377036276
Why not just make the on-foot sections play and control better?

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>>377035297
>Make Super Mario Airforce and see if it sells.
finally, another Mario game with Sky Pop action

>>377034532
This.

Fuck anyone who dismisses Zero for being a 'remake.' It isn't.

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>>377035978
>console warrior giving a shit about how putrid a fucked-up spinoff is going to be

>>377036661
https://youtu.be/WT9vXXgGcsA?t=286
>Bill: "But from a character to pilot perspective, it's mostly based off of the Star Fox 64 universe."
not a remake, lol

>>377036276
I like Star Fox 2's approach to adding third person shooting. Being able to switch between fast flying and third person shooting at a moments notice is a great concept, and it works well in games like Macross PS2 and Bulk Slash.
That said, I'm definitely not adverse to being on-foot if it actually plays well, like a Vanquish or something, or if it's on-rails, perhaps like Sin and Punishment.

>>377036661
see
>>377035064
>>377034530
It's the same point in time revisited over and over, not just a similar scenario, and much of the CONTENT (not just story) is recycled old stuff.
I'm pretty sure the developers straight up told us it was basically the Star Fox 64 story again, too.

>>377036678
He literally calls out every mention of it by a leaker on his site

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>>377037013
he really doesn't care if it real or not regardless

besides, the original rumor came from a reliable french website. the rumorfag at twitter is trying to latch on it to clear his name.

kinda like when Emily Rogers try to steal an interview about Retro working on a secret project that isn't either DK, Mario Kart, or Metroid