Thoughts? Worth playing? KOF thread i guess.

>>377012481
Great game. Game is a lot more lively now that the DLC characters released. And considering this thing goes for like $25-30 every week on newegg or somewhere else, I'd heavily recommend you pick it up. Just make sure you find the dreamcancel and KoF discord channels before hopping online (so you can find good matches with people in your skill range.)

>>377012681
Let's say. If i enjoy streets and tekken. Will i enjoy this? Even if its just mainly playing casually.

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>>377012883
Yeah. The biggest hurdle for beginners, like Tekken, is usually the actual controls. You have four different types of jumps and rolling to account for, but once you master those and the way Max Mode works in the game, the game becomes an ocean in terms of depth regarding combos and the like. Keep in mind that playing this game on a pad can be difficult at times, but it's how I started out and I'm used to it now.

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>>377012883

It has more freeform movement than Street Fighter. Can't say much for comparisons to Tekken.

It actually feels like a mix of Street Fighter and Marvel. Characters usually do combos in the way of Normal --> Command Normal --> Max Cancel --> Ex/Special move juggles --> Super

The input timings are fairly lax for directions. The Normal --> Command normal timing is pretty much like a magic series in terms of timing the button presses.

Characters really vary in playstyles and combos which is what makes the game so fun. The game also has a super canceling system so you can cancel supers into each other (like marvel) but they operate in a stair-step fashion where every character has 2 regular (1 meter) supers, ex versions of those supers (2 meteres) and Climaxes (3 meteres). Generally, Regulars can cancel into EX and Climax and EX into Climax. There are some exceptions but this is the general rule. Super cancels and climax cancels look awesome in this game and make meter management a really powerful skill to have.

I highly suggest this title. The DLC characters are great too.

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>>377013151
I'm >>377013349

I actually find this game is very nice to pad players. I can do inputs for just about anything consistently other than moves that do 646 on the d-pad. But if you can learn to switch your thumb down to the stick for these inputs, they aren't hard at all.

Only the PS4 version is any good since PC has the smallest and worst FGC.

There is literally no point getting in to this when tekken drops in a few weeks

>>377013476
it's not even out yet you spaz

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>>377013573

>Tekken
>Worth anything

Nah man, 3d and 2d games cater to different audiences. Besides, it's Tekken. Everyone here will be down playing it after the first week.

>>377013573
>3D fighter making 2D fighters irrelevant
>Not playing both

>>377013573
I don't like 3d fighters, not my thing.

Its a really fun game. I had so much fun with the demo it got me back into fighting games. Its mostly because I love boxers and Nelson was really cool.

How's the DS4 for fighting games anyway?

>>377014315
buy a stick retard.

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>>377013921


That just means you have good taste. There hasn't been a good 3D fighter since Rival Schools anyway.

>>377014315

I like the DS3 better but the DS4 is still good. Very comfy to hold and has a nice weight. The D-pad allows for very accurate articulation and inputs.

OP here. Cheers for the advice. I'll keep my eye on it. T7 is around the corner and I've been waiting for that a very long while.

Didn't the ps4 have a demo on kof xiv? Recall seeing that somewhere.

Is the game still alive on ps4? And will it stay alive? Incase i do get it at some point.

Also phone posting now so my bad for shitty spacing.

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>>377014403

Sticks are not a necessity for fighters anymore.

>>377014420

There's a demo with like 6 playable characters. I recommend Shun Ei, he is a good representative of what characters can do in this game.

There's always matches on PS4 but netcode is not the greatest. Honestly you should just play it because it's a fun game. There will always been a scene for any game. Hell Alpha 2 still has a scene on fightcade.

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>>377014420
Yes, the game has a demo, and yes, the game is still alive on PS4. Might take some navigating, but people are definitely playing. As for staying alive, the KoF community is a tiny, but determined group. The game will always have people, but it might be difficult to find people in your skill range.

>>377014621
So it still holds up well single player aswell then?

>>377013573
Two totally different games that cater to different audiences. It's not a dichotomy, people can and should gravitate to what clicks with them be it Tekken, KoF or whatever.

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>>377014739

It does in my opinion but I'm a lab rat who can spend hours in practice mode trying out different stuff.

Game feels great to play and it feels good to get off hard combos. I haven't played an FG this fun since mahvel 3 dropped and -before that- 3s.

>>377014621
>>377014685
Did they take out one of the demos? Last I checked there was the one from before release and a version 2.

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>>377014980
I have that lab rat mindset aswell. So for that matter im set. Now to just find the money and time.

Cheers again for all the info lads.

>>377015181

Awesome. It's a shame this game has flown under the radar so much because it's really the best FG of this generation.

>>377014876
>Two totally different games that cater to different audiences.

Except more than half the kof audience will jump on to tekken and the only people who will still be playing this are mexicans, the online is already dead as fuck on PS4.

>>377015476
Talking like GG ain't better

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>>377015049

Hmm, I only see the version 2. I'm not sure what updates that version has. Maybe a couple of bug fixes? They haven't done any huge changes since launch. Just tweaks and bug fixes.

>>377015653

GG is okay. YRC's and "set-up, knock down, set-up" gameplay kind of make watching it a joke though. If they fix that and add back in Robo-Ky I might be willing to give GG another chance.

You don't know shit. KOF is big in south america (mexico is a part of north america you geographically-deficient racist), Korea, China, and all the Asian islands. It's like Soccer. Played everywhere else but the US.

And yeah you're still a fucking idiot. Tekken and KOF FG scenes are not completely overlapping. What's Tekken got going for it anyway? Supers? Akuma? Can't you just play Street Fighter for those?

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>>377016083
>What's Tekken got going for it anyway?
Thats what I was wondering too.
Tekken7 doesnt truly offer an incentive to buy and play it over 6 or Tag2.
The newcomers are shit and I could do without comeback mechanic supers.

Games like SF or KoF change so much from entry to entry, with Tekken its been the same shit since 5.

Only nice thing about it is that its finally on PC.

>>377015653
You GG niggers are so fucking obnoxious.

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>>377016340

The two newest additions for Tekken are Akuma and Supers. Supers have been around since Street Fighter II and so has Akuma.

So I guess we can finally say Tekken is on even ground with Street Fighter.... 2.

>>377016083
>It's like Soccer.

If that was true it would be big in Europe, which it's not...

>>377016083
Oh, main differences between the two versions of the demos is that some of the characters that are included. in the first version of the demo Dino was slower than when the game released. Version two uses the graphics update. It's not eye popping, but it's certainly looks better than what it did before. Version two being the only one that's there makes sense since it better represents what the game looks like at the present.

>98 and 02 Dream Match still not out on PSN or the Switch
>Meanwhile 95 and 97

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>>377016935

Ah yes, I forgot about the graphical update. It does make the game look a little better. But graphics have never been a sticking point with me these days. After all, nothing will every look as good as 3s or Garou did.

>>377016916

I've seen spanish, french, german, and portuguese tournaments with respectable turn outs. Maybe not huge, but still bigger than here in the states. Sucks because all we play here is fucking SFV and that game will probably be garbo still for two more versions at least until all the casuals leave.

>>377016583
Weren't supers and ranbus introduced in AoF?

>>377017173
yeah its AoF

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>>377017173

I don't know. I didn't say they were created by SF, just that they've at least been around since then. Nit pick details if you want but I didn't make any claims that SF invented supers.

Still doesn't change the fact that the most current Tekken boasts two things that have been in street fighter since 1994 as new gimmicks.

>>377017154
True, even back in the Neo Geo days KoF wasn't one of their best looking games. MotW and 3S did look nice.

The chisese are a peculiar case when it comes to KoF. Some years back a KoF 97 tournament stream got over 400k views which was more than evo at the time. Not many of them have a ps4 (even mentioned by a sony rep), but a whole lot more of them seem to watch KoFXIV than anyone else. I remember during NCR a bit over 3k people watched KoF while in china a week later a tournament of 24 entrants got 56k views. Same with the WCS for KoF, there were different language streams and if one added them up including the japanese numbers it was a bit over 10k (kinda makes sense since in the western hemisphere it was late at night, so not too many people would watch), but the chinese stream had 240k views at it's peak. Some people have said that the chinese numbers are fake, but assuming they are only a tenth of what was reported that's still a bigger amount of eyes than what it gets in the west. Makes me wonder how many chinese will actually buy the steam version when it releases. In the grand scheme of things I'm not expecting huge numbers, but since it'll be on a new platform it will get some sort of boost.

>>377017398
Wasn't nitpicking really, just wasn't too sure when they were first introduced. I had an idea and was wondering if anyone could confirm. I don't necessarily disagree with your claims.

I fucking suck, but Amazon gave it to me for free after a mistake on their end so I don't care

>>377012481
Yes, it's really good.
The only thing I don't understand is why they locked EX moves behind MaxMode. Not a easy thing to do for casuals.

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>>377018553

Yeah Chinese seem to really like this game. All the best streamers I glean tech from are Chinese.

Sorry wasn't trying to be a huge dick about the supers thing but you know people are always ready to jump down your throat and misinterpret something you said. I will gladly defend KOF to my last breath because I am so desperate for fighting games these days with actual depth that don't just cater to casual garbage.

>>377018703
Nice get.

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>>377018841

What's not easy for casuals? Max Mode is literally just one button press. Max Canceling from light is probably the most difficult early barrier for casuals.

game is great, online is great, roster is pretty good but it still needs shermie and very large

i just wish i could play with /v/ or /vg/ more often

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>>377020007

Did you see the DLC chars? They are all very well done and obviously came from listening to fan requests. I bet Shermie will be either next wave or next next wave. She is very popular.

Fuck, I was psyched when Angel made it in of all people. She's fun AF in this game.

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>>377020190
see them, i bought them
and i don't even use them

except to make pictures like this

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>>377020990

That's a shame you don't play them but thank you for at least buying them to support SNK. Personally I think Rock, Vanessa, and Yamazaki are all incredibly fun. Vanessa is basically hot Dudley.

>>377021574
i at least have mostly new characters on my team, sylvie/luong/leona

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>>377021637

>Luong

Yeah that's my girl. She's fucking awesome and easily one of my favorite newcomers. Her Climax is fucking sleek.

>>377021786
yeah, and i've managed to make a habit of nailing mm combos just off one single low B, that's really helped me out in cases

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>>377021946

Feels good too, doesn't it?

I remember the first cross-up Cr. A x2 Max Cancel I got off in a match. I felt like a god. Everything clicked in the game for me from that point on.

>>377022163
the one feat i'm really proud of is doing a reverse ocv on grungrah with sylvie

and then he beats the shit out of me every other match

>>377022163
Who is scaring Mike "miek "Meich Rose" russ" Ross? I don't like this picture.

>>377022163
>>377022740
>who bitch dis is

>>377012481
Really good, easier but more traditional with much better balance. Tons of characters that people wanted with some good new ones.

Iori / Yamazaki / Hein
Vanessa / Angel / Luong

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>>377023458

>tfw you just cant figure out the timing for Hein's set ups.
>always wanted to be play a handsome butler
>has one of the best Climaxes

It's not fair.

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>>377023743
Keep practicing anon, it took some time for me too. Especially since I don't usually play mix up heavy characters.

It felt so good to get a few down

OP back again. What are some neat characters to look into? Anything goes here.

Is the geese still leese?

>>377024509
Pretty much everyone is fair game.

>>377024509

Short answer recommend list.

Shun ei (easy learning curve)
Luong
Robert Garcia
K'
Yuri
Ryo
Vice
Antonov
Angel (very high learning curve)
Ramon
Rock (easy learning curve)
Vanessa

>>377014406
There's been like 6 or 7 Virtua Fighter releases since Rival Schools, get a clue

>>377018841
It's an incentive to use maxmode.

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>>377026050

Virtua who?

Well, anyway. Back to this kof discussion.

>>377024509
Nelson, Terry, King, Hein, Billy.

>>377020190
>Still no May Lee or Blue Mary, because their VAs died

I will never not be mad

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>>377025936
>>377025869
>>377027172
Cheers boys

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I haven't played fighting games in eons since I always play alone. But I think I'm going to swap the Seimitsu parts on my arcade stick for Sanwa ones and give it a try just because Angel.

>>377027587

Fear not. We will get mary eventually. She wasnt possible in xiii because they would have had to draw every character being trapped in her grapples.

Much easier to do with 3d models.

As for maylee i dont know. Eventually I would like to see everyone done in this game's engine.

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>>377026118

This. I prefer maxmode since you can get more Ex'es from a single max meter than 1 ex per max meter.

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I see way too many beginners trying to play Angel/Luong/Vanessa. There are plenty of thick titted bitches out there who aren't hard to use.

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Even pros know it is shit

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>>377030953

>>377030953
This guy was salty that K' confirms are slightly harder in 2.00. He's a bitch.

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>>377031179

>>377031241
>salty that K' confirms are slightly harder
>complains game is too casual >>377031262
right

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>>377030953
>>377031179
>>377031262


>letting "pros" dictate what you like

Puh-thet-ic. Can't you just like or dislike games without these woefully sophomoric appeals to non-existent authority?

>>377031241

Lol K' mains cried and cried when that happened. K' is still stupid powerful in any slot.
Only thing that made me sad is they removed Rock's grab catching juggled opponents. The EX doing that was broken I agree. But for regular versions it was just a positioning tool that only a little extra meter and looked real stylish.

>>377031481
>p-p-pros don't know anything guys!
>please buy the game!
Puh-thet-ic

The game is easy to play but at this point, it has become "confirm c.lk into Max Mode: the game".

Sure, i'm an offender too.

>>377031369
This faggot literally bitched about the balance being worse post patch. He's fucking salty as hell. The balance is better than it was before.

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>>377031660

Yikes, looks like I pissed you off. Did you really come here just to shit in a KOF thread? You have no right to call other people pathetic my man. lol

>>377031778

Can make same argument for any game.

"SFIV was just FADC the game!"
"SF3 was just parry option select the game!"
"GG XRd is just YRC the game!"
"Mahvel 3 is just XFactor vergil the game!"

And yet all of these games have deeper meta than these over-simplifications. /v/ is pretty good at talking shit about games and not playing them though. I imagine it's worse with fighters since you have to actually put in time and practice with them.

>>377031958
>Can make same argument for any game.
But that one is actually right.

You aren't just going to randomly YRC, but in 14 good characters can get decent maxmode combos off buttons good in neutral and have no reason not to do so. The majority are not very hard unlike many FADC in 4

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>>377032386


Except in 3v3 mode there's a whole meta around conserving meter and using it strategically for guard cancel rolls and CD's.

You also get fewer EX'es from your max meter the earlier you are in the team roster so your combos and tactics must change as well.

So what if most of the cast has a good combo starter. At least that means the floor is even. Where things get really interesting in high level play is positioning and mindgames.

People are mostly right about parry option-selects and 3s these days too. I still don't let other people's opinions on games ruin my experience in the game though, which is the sort of lame hand-wringy shit >>377030953 is doing.


Don't like it? Don't play it. But also don't shit up threads for people who do like the game.

>>377033029
>there's a whole meta around conserving meter
You get meter incredibly fast and there is never any real need to. It is never such a drastic factor that you really need to change up your gameplan for it

>your combos and tactics must change as well.
Seeing as you are generally going to have your team and formation not really. Possibly between people but even then it is pretty common to have similar placement cause the character works well in that space.

>So what if most of the cast has a good combo starter.
Because having access to an easy big combo starter means players focus on that.

>Where things get really interesting in high level play is positioning and mindgames.
Yes, the mind game of everyone fishing for their maxmode combo cause it is easy to get them started and always the bets choice. The game has very little variety.

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>>377033518

Sorry but in tournament matches where one guy has been smart with meter and has 4 on his last character versus someone who he's been forcing to guard roll cancel etc there is a clear advantage in more meter. It might build fairly quickly but not so quickly so you can't be forced into a deficit. Meter management matters.

People switch up their character placement regularly to counter-pick.


>having access to an easy combo means people focus on that

You can't tell me why that's bad though. Parrying is really accessible to everyone and very powerful but not everyone focuses on parrying or they die. People only finishing for the same CR Low will eventually get opened up and punished. As with any fighting game you still have to mix up your attacks in XIV. Not only that, but there are differences in player styles where some go for meter building early on to save for later where other makes quick smart decisions with the meter they have on the fly and make up for their lack of meter later on with good reads and positioning. Plenty of matches have been won not using Cr. A/B Max Cancel. You just have a heuristic where you only pay attention to that happening because you have a fundamental dislike of the mechanic. I don't so I'm fine with it.


>game has very little variety because character use their moves

Marvel has very little variety because everyone's just finishing for their 100 hit combo.

Street Fighter IV has very little variety because everyone just goes for unblockables

GG has very little variety because everyone just knocks down, throws out a projectile (if applicable) and then sets up for another knockdown.

If you don't like the flow of the game. Don't play it. Other people do and will.

>>377033518
>Seeing as you are generally going to have your team and formation not really. Possibly between people but even then it is pretty common to have similar placement cause the character works well in that space.
people change the characters they use from time to time and some characters may have higher priority to be anchor/mid/point so no

>>377034316
>Sorry but in tournament matches where one guy has been smart with meter and has 4 on his last character versus someone who he's been forcing to guard roll cancel etc there is a clear advantage in more meter.
Well lets look at that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XaleHFdCkY
Kain uses meter like crazy, Marco preserves meter. Kain wins by a mile especially in the third set where he dominates with K'

> regularly
No not really, and for 99% you are gonna see the same stuff anyway

>You can't tell me why that's bad though.
Doing/seeing the same stuff constantly gets boring especially when it is not very hard to do

>People only finishing for the same CR Low will eventually get opened up
Not when the button is generally safe. Sure it is not literally the only button they ever press but it is a dominant strategy cause it only needs to hit once for massive damage

> there are differences in player styles where some go for meter building early
Again this really is not very common, people gravitate to the most effective strategy especially when it isn't hard to pull off

>Marvel has very little variety because everyone's just finishing for their 100 hit combo.
Wow you didn't even try with this one.

>If you don't like the flow of the game. Don't play it. Other people do and will.
With 14? Clearly not cause no one plays

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>>377035248
>With 14? Clearly not cause no one plays
but i do

>>377035767
well, you're a nobody then

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>This many posts
>None about posting teams

C'mon, guys.

>Yuri
>Shun'ei
>Mui Mui

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>>377035889

Look at where you're posting.

You're even more of a nobody for trying to think that works as an insult. Just fuck off and let people enjoy a game they like.


>>377036008


Oh I got multiple teams.

Shun/Angel/Luong
Robert/Rock/Vanessa
Yuri/Ryo/K'
Rock/Antonov/K'

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>>377036008
A mixture of Nak/Kula/Mui Mui/Leona for point and mid, Mai anchor.

If Mui Mui had better anti airs, I'd definitely be rolling with her 100% but they just kinda suck.

>>377031481
>letting pros dictate what you like
It worked for SFV at least.

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>>377036559

Worked in so much as it's the worst selling SF game in a while and Capcom is still struggling to get their shit released on a regular schedule. That shit worked with SF because normies eat up SF.

Still if you're not a normy then you shouldn't be eating up what the pros tell you as fact. It's fucking sad. Like, it's a fucking video game, explore it yourself and figure out what's possible.

>>377036008
Kula/Athena/Mai

Daimon/Clark/KoD

Mian/Choi/Sylvie

>>377036869
No he is saying everyone just repeats what pros say about it, usually without understanding what is actually being said.

Really kofXIV is basically SFV for hipsters

>Worked in so much as it's the worst selling SF
Really shouldn't throw that around with how bad XIV sold

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>>377036945
>Daimon/Clark/KoD

You are literally the bane of my existence. I keep getting fucking stomped by command grabs thanks to the crazy amount of armor they get.

>>377036382
Mui has bad anti-airs? How so? She has two special anti-airs (the tatsu and the rolling uppercut,) and what I consider one of the best buttons in the game (St. D) I play her because I'm new and she gets a ton of damage off one rekka-confirm into hyper-beam.

>>377036008
King
Ryo
Chin

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>>377037257


KOF's parent company was sold out, dropped its aritsts/programmers, sold around, rebought, recovered, and then repurposed back into making fighting games.

Capcom meanwhile has a billion laurels to rest on and they fucked it up every step of the way. They've lost casuals and had abyssmal sales despite not going through a tenth of a the shit SNK went through.

So yeah I actually say that if I know the context of the companies that made those games. I can definitely make fun of how fucking stupid Capcom has been and how sad it is that this zombie of a company made a game that's way more fun with way fewer resources.

>>377037257
Fighting games in general will end up like beat them ups.

Rare and sell less.

>>377013573
3D isn't relevant

>>377035889
did you expect me to be somebody, i'm just a guy who plays the game, i never said i was awesome

and i even play the characters i say i'm gonna learn to play, which are sylvie and luong

PC version when?

>>377039442

Soon. They announced it last week.

>>377039442
Hopefully this year.