>hey how much for this item? >"offer"

>offer a little less than average value
>"lol no, fuck off"
>no opening for negotiation
what is this bullshit

seller's market m8, if you can offer something interesting or a good price then its yours.
its no skin off my if i don't sell it to you, I lose nothing

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no bich- hw much u want 4 it

>hey how much for this?
>What's your offer?
>how about $???
>Sorry, mate. Won't go lower than $???
THEN JUST TELL ME THAT FUCK

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>>376987093
>S>(item) OFFER @@@@ @@@@ @@@@
>get trade request
>hey need this?
or
>you put up item
>they ask how much

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>want to sell thing, 2k
>hey man, how much for thing?

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>>376987093
>offer an average/slightly below average price
>he stops responding

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>selling thing
>hey how much for [item in the background that is clearly not for sale]

>Ragnarok Online
>Has mechanic where you can fuse cards with weapons to gain powerful stats
>Also has a custom store mechanic so you can sell stuff while you are away
>Choco card is worth a lot due to its rarity and utility for almost every class
>Coco card is low tier and extremely common
>At once, hundreds of players put up custom stores trying to scam people for Choco card prices by using Coco card as the merchandise while hoping they have dyslexia
>These stores would flood the entire screen of the city

>offer a large amount over average price
>"yeah sure it's yours!"
>"lol no I'm not going to pay you that much you idiot"

It's fun messing with offer idiots. Most won't block you after a failed offer so you can annoy them for a while.

>>376988986
Player run shops was always a mistake.

Do this in real life too with card games.

It's the worst when your not in the US so you can't use US prices as standard. It's pretty good though when cards are 1/4 the price.

>>376987093
>best girl gets killed by an asspull

Still mad.

>>376988576
They wanna see if you'll pay too much for it.

>>376988576
You're supposed to make a new offer if they say that

>Me: "Hey this other guy is selling (item) at (lower price), unless you can do a better deal I'm gonna go with this guy."

>Seller: "Nah can't go lower just buy off the other guy, see you round bro."

There was no other guy doing a better deal

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>>376987093
>How much
>"offer"
>offer fair price
>"lol no someone else is offering better"

then trade with them you fuck, except I know you're lying

>>376987093

The person who makes the offer has an advantage.

>>376987093
This is the most degenerate way trying to profit because these kind of people just prey on some clueless fella who'll offer more than the items worth.

Diablo 2 trading.

>wuw
>wug
>wuw
>wug

>faglord420 has left the game, diablo is glad faglord left because hes so gay, the game is easier now, whatever as long as faglord is gone

>Seller: add sweeteners?? ;))

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>>376987197
>hey how much for this item?
>"offer"
>offer exact market value
>"lol no, fuck off"

fucking barbarians

>guy:Selling thing 90K
>Me:Selling thing 89K :^)

>I'll trade <really good item> for <really rare item>
>Hey, I have that
>Show em I have it
>What do you want for it?
>The thing you posted
>Silence
>What do you want for it?
>What you posted
>If you don't wanna sell it, just say
>I WILL TRADE IT FOR THE THING YOU PUBLICALLY OFFERED
>lol I just sold that
>He made that offer literally minutes ago
>It takes over an hour for anything put on the market to even get listed

Then I guess you didn't want this, faggot.

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>Selling item X amount of money
>"Hey man can I instead trade you 2 bits of string, a chicken, and a weapon you can't use?"

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>>376989856
>barely any of an item on the marketboard, the ones on there are stupidly overmarked
>put my copy up for a reasonable price
>undercut like 10 minutes later
>come back a day later
>item worth 2M+ now down to like 5K

>lowest price in market for item is 6k
>put up same item for 5999 just to be at the top

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>>376987197
>Selling shit
>Specify "PM offers" in post
>Faggot pms "Hey how much for this?"
>Offer a price higher than the market to start negotiating
>"lol no fuck off"

>tfw you find an item in a game with item mod prefixes and suffixes
>all of the mods are so perfect for the item that its extremely rare and almost one of a kind
>its so rare that its priceless so either cant sell it because you have no idea what to ask for it because of its rarity, or you are always worried you are gonna sell it for too little, or you are gonna run into people who say "no ones buyin it, this is the best offer you will ever get now give me that item for this"
>never sell it
>never use it
>it just rots in your mules/inventory forever

>>376990002
I loved doing this back on WoW.
>Titansteel bars going for almost 350g each
>Put mine up for bid-only at 200g
>Check back just before bids end
>Titansteel bars now going for like 120g

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>>376989674
>TF2 years ago
>looking for a drill sargent hat
>offer 4 refined for it(which was the normal rate, and high price for hats back then, also the hat isn't popular anymore)
>guy still wants more because the hat is painted a shitty purple/pink
>I cancel and just leave
>he tries to trade offer me again
>I cancel

Well fuck you then.

>Only certain class can sell a certain service
>Everyone offers it at absurd price
>"lol, if you hate it so much, build one yourself and offer it cheap, lol u can't do it"
>Fucking do it
>Offer service at pretty much 15% profit margin, which is still less than half of what these faggots were charging
>Literally all of them get mad as fuck and claim I'm destroying the game

>>376990237
or

>this item is bound to you

>>376990298

>this item is character bound

>it cant be transferred to a new character for a build specifically for said item
>its literally worthless

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>>376989548
>"Oh sorry, someone else just offered [110% of your offer]."
>"Unless you can beat that..."

>>376991315
>tell him to go fuck himself
>haha just kidding just give me your orginal price
>offer lower price or disregard him entirely

They always seem to think they're the only ones that pull these stunts.

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>>376990002
This shit gets especially bad on the high-pop servers in XIV.

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>>376987093

>sell item to merchant
>put 1000000
>"no way its too expensive"
>put 999999
>"alright, looks legit, a deal is a deal"
>item actually costs 10

>>376989762
>offer more than market price because none of the 30 other people with it listed is responding to you
>lol no, fuck off"
>[/spoiler]check the IDs with 3rd party programs, it's all the same person pricefixing[/spoiler]
Path of Exile's entire trading system was a mistake.

>>376990280
undercutting is the most fun you can possibly have in so many games, the butthurt is so intense at times I think some of them may actually have had a stroke mid-autistic rage.

>>376989579
Except these retards are completely devoid of logic.

they have a set price above the average value and they'll just say fuck off unless you offer that. they say offer to get you to maybe pay more than what they want for it and will never accept less.

>>376990035
>>376987197
terrible businessmen

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>>376988986
>Open store with title "Cheap glove[1]"
>Actually selling unslotted gloves

>>376991797

I remember having fun times in vanilla wow by undercutting runecloth and dreamleaf prices and then reading on the forums how some Ricelord Shekelmasters are crying about undercutting ruining the game for them.

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>>376991665
chris better fix this shit in 3.0

>>376991665
>>376993406
to be fair the "USER IS OFFLINE/ afk dnd message: sucking dick brb ;)" garbage really only becomes a serious issue when the leagues are near the ass end of their 3-4 month run and its pointless to trade anyways

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>selling item for 50
>"hey I'll buy it for 30 and a bunch of other useless garbage bringing the total to 55"

Quickbuying and Quickselling helped ruined Dead Frontier's economy, now people just throw around those words to get things for 15-20% cheaper.

But too bad the owner of the game went full jew and gave massive benefits to those who pay.

>>376994005
I can see quickbuying hurting it and people abusing it but not quickselling

>>376991420
I remember I use to do this in realm of the mad god, It was quite easy to play the market since it was filled with kids. You can go from nothing to a maxed out character in one day if you're lucky.

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>>376991560
>stick something up for 500k
>didn't even undercut anybody
>two hours later item is selling for 40g
We could all be rich if it werent for faggots

>>376991560
I actually do this on Balmung. I just want a quick sale

Is it better to play the market and get rich or play the game and get rich?

>>376988973
>sorry nfs
>"faggot"

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>Going into the AH in wow and selling my iron/ mithril bars at like 5 copper less than the lowest guy
>Go back in to take it out and put it back again once he undercuts me and i undercut him again
>Repeat every so often until somebody buys mine and not his

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>>376987093
My only experience with item trading is from back when I was like fourteen playing Gaiaonline.

I learned pretty quickly that the best way to sell shit was to undercut the market slightly, or if it's an item that's increasing in value set it to like 10% higher and wait like a week or two.

I never bought anything with real money and my total amount of gold never reached higher than like 800,000, but I actually managed to get some decent stuff, for the time, just playing normally. Managed to make a pretty decent cosplay build.

A katana was around 1M for reference if anyone knows what it is now.

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>>376993406
>GGG
>ever fixing anything

>>376994615
I'd purposely undercut people so that they'd undercut me and repeat the process about once more or twice and then buy their bars and just go back up to the original price

>>376987197
And this is why I fucking ignore player trades and just use the auction house

>>376994651
Something worth 1m back then? Probably a few billion or so or maybe trillion. I'm not kidding, the dyes on gaia now sell for like 50 million, that economy has gone to hell.

The blue flowers you pick up in towns, yeah those are worth 300k each now.

>>376994716
...

You brilliant motherfucker. I wish I had thought of that back when I played games that did this kind of shit.

Fuck, people will go down LUDICROUS amounts just to be the one undercutting. I could have been one rich nerd.

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>>376987093
>hold on let me ask my entire guild if this is a good deal or not :^)

>>376987093
> name your price
> "offer"
> half a healing potion and a punch to the face
> blocked
> go and grind for that item like a man.
Feels like victory.

how is runescape?

>>376994789
When the fuck did this happen? I went back for a few days like a year or two ago and it wasn't anything near that bad?

There is literally no reason to not always undercut by exactly 1 gil in xiv.

>>376994939
I really don't know, I'm not a hardcore gaia player i'd just play it for like a month seriously and then quit all together each time. I actually looked back on it now and the economy is just like I said.

I assume it may be something with gaiacash or some shit like that.

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>trade?
>trade?
>trade?
>trade?
>trade?
>well fuck you guys

>>376994789
>>376994939
Oh fuck, I just logged in and checked how much a garbage item I have is worth now. It's like 500m. Another is worth like a billion.

What the hell. What's the more expensive stuff worth?

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NO THAT'S TOO LOW

>>376995621
YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SCAAARABS

>>376991560

This is horseshit. I mean, sell something with 50g on wow, put yours on for 49g, next faggot comes and floods market with 4g an item you are selling and there, the price is down at 4g forever.

I hope people who do this would also swallow a shotgun, fucking inbred niggers

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>>376987093
>"hey I wanna buy your item"
>"but first, I wanna take some precautions, I've been scammed recently"
>"do you have any trusted friends/know any middlemen?"

>>376995871
>I've been scammed already

Oh boy, how delicious. I love seeing where the conversation goes when they start with that, of course even though they're trying to scam you.

A retarded scammer is much funnier than a retarded seller.

>FF14
>Item selling steadily well
>Fluctuates within 600K/500K
>Suddenly asshole starts selling at 300k
>Lot of people jump the train
>Some lower it to 200k
>1 Week later it's selling for 80k

>FInal Fantasy 14
>Make a high end item for the first time and put it up cheap
>Get several abusive messages about me undercutting
>Item doesn't sell

Turned out I fucked up and there was a much better one for much cheaper. I got yelled at for undercutting a worthless item.

>>376988636
i too grew up playing runescape

>>376990237
>finally decide to go through with it
>it's been power creeped to the point of worthlessness

>>376991560
People who do this literally deserve death.

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>offer
>oh ok
>meet up
>trade him the item twice
>cancel every time
>oh sorry wait I will open up a shop
>place the useless bait item that looks exactly the same but for much less money
>greedy fuck think you made the mistake and buy this in an instant
>log off

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>WoW circa WotLK
>Waiting for friends to level while we're relatively new
>Decide to craft and sell [Deadly Blunderbuss] while I wait
>At the beginning, I craft each one from scratch
>Start putting multiples on the AH
>First 5
>Then 10
>By the time there are 30+ [Deadly Blunderbuss] every single day, I've given up crafting from scratch
>Half of them are crafted by other people because I buy out literally anyone who tries to undercut me if I'm online, and demand never, ever drops
>My friends are all level 50 while I'm still some level 30 shitter warrior with 4,000 gold slaving away at the Thunder Bluff anvil an hour a day
>Get bored and quit
>Never leveled past 30 or did anything with the money

That fake money is rotting in a fake bank vault somewhere.

>>376991560
What the hell is the point of this when. If there's a demand for an item the higher priced item is still going to be bought eventually while the undercutter is getting less money for it. Just wait it out, not like you need the money immediately.

>>376996643
thats not chen

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>Farm for a bunch of limited [X]
>6-9 months later everyone wants them because their textures got updated or just became prettier/cooler
>Own a monopoly on it

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>go to city
>selling [fuck stick of fags]
>have friend there
>guy comes up and offers close to MARKET PRICE
>make sure i'm discussing this all in regular chat not PM
>friend comes over and offers a bit more than that
>either the other guy gets into a bidding war or he walks away
>the number of fish this has worked on is ASTOUNDING though

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>>376997165
>tfw this happened to me
>got me platinum mad when i realized it
>Focused my anger on being a huge jew so I wont get merchant'd myself

NEVER AGAIN, GOY

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>suddenly get incredibly rare item, thats going for hundreds of bucks on steam market
>just wanna sell it soon
>put it as the same as the lowest guy
>suddenly 10 guys undercutting us
>think we'll be fine
>days pass
>still doesn't sell
>lowest price is now like a hundred bucks lower
>keeps going down
>try to undercut everyone else
>people undercut me 5 seconds later
>end up trading it away for 60 bucks worth of games

Free market was a mistake.

ITT: Jews

I will purposefully ruin your economies and laugh about it afterwards.

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>>376997238
S-shalom brother! Let us work together to rig the prices of everything in the city and we can sit back and enjoy our haram and fruits of our-er OTHERS labor.

>starts preparations for hostile takeover

>>376997165
This happened to me, once it hit my max I backed out to let the other guy have it. They both called my a faggot.

>>376997296
>suddenly get incredibly rare item, thats going for hundreds of bucks on steam market
>doesn't sell

What?

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Can scams be pulled off now days?

>tfw offered someone 11111111 currency to purchase something
>cancel trade and put 1111111 instead

>sell shit as soon as I get it
>shit gets 20x times more expensive half a year later

>pretend to be a new player selling useless stuff for market value to experienced players
>people pitty me and end up giving me over 100 times what it's worth
>continue this

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>>376997428
>>376997238
What you do in this case is message the other guy who you're trying to scam and tell him you had two of them and then sell it to him for the price he offered and pretend you sold one to your friend as well

This is elite tactic please dont steal.

>ever bothering with jewish merchants
Just farm the item(s) yourself, faggots

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>this thread

>>376997605
>Not profiting from the labor of others

t. goy

>>376996985
Should've given it to your friends, anon

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>>376987093
In this world, you buy respect.

>>376997617
>losing your sales combo

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>>376987093

>NEETs who can't into trading and economics get triggered by this

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>People buying X item for 1K
>NPCs sell it for 100 each
>mfw

>>376997728
It's a front, dipstick, flimsy excuse to move money.

>>376997605
Borderline impossible in Korean games where the drop rate is less than 1% at the end of an hour long dungeon and you need 10 of them for each attempt at crafting at 33% success rate.
I'm not exaggerating.

>>376997669
I'd offered and immediately forgotten at least three times.

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>"tell me your price"
>you offer
>"okay, how about x"
>lol no fuck off
>"then how much?"
>offer

HOW FUCKING MUCH, YOU HAGGLING ASSHOLE?

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DO NOT ADD ME FOR 1FOR1 OVERPAY ONLY $$$ 5 KEY OVERPAY RARE PATTERN

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>that glitch/balance issue/hack that fucked up the economy so bad that the developers had to rollback the entire game

>>376997749
>playing korean grindfests

>>376997782
>you got a rare drop in that time

>>376988986
>Hundreds of players all trying the same scam
>At the same time
>In the same place
Do they actually expect it to work?

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>Crash a market
>everyone puts up their items cheap
>buy it all up
>Sell high

>>376997895
Nice shower fantasy, but you crash markets by buying suppliers, not goods.

>buy up digital goods
>get your dumb fucking ass immediately undercut before you can unload 1/10 of the produce

>>376989512
Sounds like when my brother tried to sell his N64 on craigslist.

>"I'll pay $30 for the N64 and Conker's Bad Fur Day, that's what other people are selling it for"
>"Ok then buy it from the other people, sounds like a good deal."

>>376997949
>but it
>put it up for my price

>Seller: WTS item
>You: Hey I'll buy that item for (reasonable offer a little below the average)
>Seller: No
>You: Well what price did you have in mind?
>Seller: (several times the normal selling price)

I can't tell if people who do this are retarded or are trying to piss people off.

>>376997956
Bluff called hard.

>offer average price
>lowball blocked

>>376996107
Had this problem before when I was selling summoning bells. It's like autists then that an item can remain the same price forever.

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>Obvious level 1 jew asks you how to make money on the market

I'm not revealing my magic, faggot. How hard is it to read the market?

>tfw flooding the market with your cheap goods and making normalfags upset you have so much time to farm stuff
Being NEET has it's perks

>>376997485
It was during one summer steam sale, where if you collected those trading cards and turned them in, you had a chance at an item.

I got a Tf2 hat, and knew immediately that these shits were gonna drop. but still wanted loads of money. The point is that people wanted to sell even faster for less money.

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>buying war supplies 1k
>a couple minutes later
>selling war supplies 2k
Man I made fucking bank.

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>ffxiv Marketboard wars
>Buy 3 Nidhogg scales at 80K each when fucko's who cannot craft try and undercut each other for a quick buck
>Craft Horde barding with existing mats
>Have short, undercutting war with some faggot who has 3 on the MB
>He isn't Australian and can't undercut into the night/when Americans are waking up
>Sold Horde barding for 1,140,000 gil after putting it up for 1.2 mil.
>Nidhogg scales now selling at 200K each
Undercutting was justified because I got my items cheap as fuck, and the selling history was one or two every couple of days.

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>>376997570
>>376997413
>>376997165
I wanna just mentioned I got jewed in the worst way which is what led me to be like this

>be me playing wow a long time ago
>a level 60 is showing me the ropes in the guild when I joined ever since I was level 20
>over time I level up and he teaches me all sorts of stuff
>teaches me to farm for ore to have enough money for mount
>finally hit level 60
>was doing upper black rock spire and happened to win a roll on a sword called destiny
>the whole group decided to roll need on it because they said it was a rare sword and you couldnt trust a person to equip after winning
>like an idiot I put it in guild chat and was asking if it was worth anything
>guy who has been my mentor and done this exact dungeon with me 3 times before and so many others, messages me
>he's a warrior and he tells me how much he needs this item
>suddenly i'm torn between helping myself get a new weapon by selling this and giving it to him
>remember how much he's helped me and think that he probably deserves it more
>give it to him after the run
>he literally goes and puts it on the AH that day on an alt he had shown me before and i'm guessing he was hoping that I forgot
>I confront him about it and he tells me first that its not him and I remind him that its an alt not in the guild that he showed me once before
>he realizes hes been had
>tells me that there's no way I can prove that him
>screenshot this and send it to the guild leader
>he confronts him
>he gets mad according to Guild leader and tells him that hes carrying this guild and he deserves it
>guild leader tells him he cant just do whatever he wants(according to GL)
>guy gets mad and gquits and joins another guild
>I feel hurt like i've just suffered a deep betrayal
>swear i'll never get scammed like that again
>later looking back I realize that's where my trust in other people died

And that's how you give birth to a mega jew.

>>376994651
>>376994789
>check back in on gaia because of this
>everything is fucked and worth billions
>only have like 200k gold
>do the daily thing
>get 200,000
>it lets me keep doing the daily thing
>now have millions of gold for nothing in like a minute

Is this why everything is so expensive? Is this website basically dead?

Undercutters are the unsung heroes of mmos.
In a fictional world where the amountbof money in the economy is never not increasing and the supply of items is also unlimited, undercutters keep prices low and stop jews from pushing the value up even when they have literally no cost to create.
MMOs really need a better system than generic gold drops cause shit goes crazy after awhile.

>xiv apartments come out
>make call bells for retainers
>make a few million gil
the price on those things melted in like 3 hours

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>how much?
>offer
>how about $?
>lol nah
>cancels trade before I can respond

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>>376989440
>always offer his absolute lowest

Its really funny to me how Phantasy Star Online both proved how shiity and broken a regular currency system is and accidently created the perfect one.
The normal currency, Meseta, is basically worthless. On the highest difficulties you make so much that everything would be so fucking inflated only the chinkiest grinders would be able to bug anything good. It turned out ok though, cause Photon Drops exist which have an incredibly good use on their own giving them inherent value, they're traded to an ingame shop removing them from the system, and they're a rare drop that can drop with the same chance from anything in the game so even noobs will find them. More MMO need to look at the photon drop economy and do the same thing. Only on purpose.

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>>376994784
>game has no auction house
>you're forced to trade manually or grind for eternity

>>376991315
>>376991420
I'm that guy, though usually I do have another offer so I just fall back on that. Never ask for original price again.

>>376998528
Wait for when doma housing it out

Bank to be made

>>376998910
On the bright side I occasionally sell things for 10 times their value.

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>>376987093
>me: how much?
>them: offer
>me: fuck off

and I blacklist them

>>376998910
Warframe market website helps loads with this.

Can make 100 plat in a few days no problem.

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>SELLING [item you need] FOR OVERPAY

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>>376999009
>me: how much
>them: offer
>ignore the trade offer any further messages they send

>>376999278
>give him normal offer
>he shoots it down right away
>bombard him over the next few days asking him if he has sold it yet
>never does
>either ignores me or sells it for the price I wanted

>>376998910
http://warframe.market/

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>>376987093
>save
>haggle and find out optimal price
>load

>>376999423
>load real life

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>>376999040
>100p in a few days

"You're like a little baby"

I keep hearing from everyone around me, my friends included about how hard it is to sell shit in warframe, but I never fall below 300p banked without even trying or spending a real dime on it.

all my gear is potato'ed and 4-formed because I can

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>''Want to sell X item''
>How much?
>''Offer''
>*I make an Offer*
>''Sorry someone else outbid you slightly''
>ok sell it to him then
>''lol he just whispered me he changed his mind, its yours''

The amount of faggots that have tried pulling this on me

>in small ff14 guild long ago
>mid level player new to grouping joins
>craft him a full set of gear myself so they can help out
>several months of fun playing pass
>he decides to leave and join another more active guild
>the rest of the guild bitches at him for stealing my stuff

This shit happens in every mmo I play, people never seem to let this go.

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>>376994651
>>376994789
>>376998374
Holy fuck, I haven't touched Gaia in so long. What the fuck happened?

>>376987197
>i shout: [[SELLING]]: some item or another, pm me for price
>people pm me
>i give them my price
>them: "ohhh..."
>them: silence
>me: "soooo are u gonna counter offer??"
>them: "nah, haha my prices are bad haha you wouldn't like it"

yo fuck right off with this shit. I gave you on offer, let's handle this like adults. it's either the disappointed "oooh" or they just straight up stop pming. this shit drives me straight bonkers, man. it's like the pinnacle of human indecency and misunderstanding of buisiness

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>>376999623

>>376999501
>not playing it back saying you found a seller that is selling it to you for less
Make it his turn to offer.

>>376999710
what are the original halos worth these days?

>>376987468
yeah this is true. still obnoxious if someone enters my pm unprepared to negotiate.

yesterday, in a Flyff pserver, some dude offered to buy everything in my shop for a good amount less than I was selling. he even starts using my name over and over, as if he read in some self-help book that using people's names makes them like you. shit was dreadfully obvious and had the opposite effect.

I tell him I'm not trying to sell him all my stuff at a lower price so he can resell. tell him my prices are fairly priced at market value. he gets all mad like "bro, why the change of heart?? have I ever resold ur stuff before?"

it's exactly as you said. as seller, I don't need to sell to him. someone will eventually buy it. there's no rush for me to lose money on a fair deal.

likewise, when I'm selling and people Isle the offer. being confident like that works, anyway. they ask for lower so I say no. they plead, so I remain silent. usually, the item is scarce enough (or all of them on the server sold, so more pieces won't be around until dungeons reset tomorrow) and the buyer gets desperate and takes my price.

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>>376993258
>Ricelord Shekelmasters

>play wow
>farm high demand item that's needed in multiples
>go to auction house at the end of a day of farming
>check lowest price and it's typically hundreds by the same guy
>undercut by 10%
>sells within 10 minutes
I loved auction moguls. We always had a nice relationship. I was a lazy fuck but I was pretty core to my guilds raiding in fact they disbanded once I quit I felt like shit so I couldn't just slack off too much, so I typically devoted one day to pure farming. just turn my brain off and farm until the end of the day, sell all that shit, and that's my preparation money for possibly as soon as tomorrow.

I get almost full price as soon as I need it, they make enough of a profit to resell, and the people buying moguls prices get the shit they need. Thinking back I should've actually made contact directly and cut out the AH altogether. They could've been my pocket jew.

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>selling one and only Ultra-Legendary Magic Sword of The Greater Gods
>"I'll give you 200 for it"

>>376987093
>remember being a dumb jew in warframe with this
>it was literally better to undercut slightly under people since it sold quicker

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>>376999278
OVERPAY ONLY LOWBALL === BLOCKED -REP

>>376999640
Why not just say the price when you are shouting?
Why not say the actual price you are willing to take.
Why not stop pressuring people into fast answers.
Why not go fuck yourself.

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>>376999710
>think everyone is bullshitting
>I checked in not that long ago and things were fine
>it's exactly like they described
>inventory that was worth around mayby shy of 1 million is now worth 150 billion
>realize that "not long ago" was 2014

Fuck.

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>wow during WOD
>selling multiple vials of the sands
>trade chat idiots always felt the need to whine about my prices, and sometimes bring up when they bought the mount for ~25k
>they neglected to say that was during dupe waves every time
i don't think any other mmo economy situation made me that angry

>>377000215
why would I say the price in all shout? that's revealing myself too early. I'd rather get into discussion on a person-to-person basis. I'll happily sell for a lower price if the person I'm dealing with talks it over w me like a normal human being. besides, I give them my price as soon as they pm and ask

also, I'm not rushing people. when they go silent, I wait, ask if they have a counter offer, and leave it at that. I'm not pressuring people, I'm not scolding them, but I think it's childish how they behave.

also, regardless of my opinion of them, it is bad business. I'm much more open to lowering my price to someone who opens the discussion

>>376988636
>hey need this?
FUCK OFF REEEEEEEE
FUCK YOU
I SAID GIVE ME MONEY AND YOU OFFERED ME AN OPEN-WORLD SURVIVAL MEME

>>377001040
you are so fucking autistic, what are you even talking about "revealing myself"? fuck off, just say the price. the people ask you for the price, see its way more than they're willing to pay, then don't respond. how is anyone in the wrong here apart from you being intentionally obtuse.

>>376991643
What game

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>>376996985
I literally made 120k gold whoring in Goldshire, and I'm barely level 20

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>them
>WTS [asscancer blade of the asscancer] 100K

>me
>WTS [asscancer blade of the asscancer] 99.99K

>get into an undercut war where we start undercutting eachother by the ingame inquivalent of cents
>30 minutes later get PM
>"fuck you you faggot"

>>377001985

I think you might be misunderstanding what I'm saying.

if I all shout a price, everyone online has the ability to see it. my price therefore has the ability to influence the prices of the entire server. for example, when people shout "selling X item for Y price", others begin to think of that as the going rate. others might even shout/vend for the same.

if people come to me (who is shouting that I will present them with my price), it becomes a negotiation. I don't know how you don't understand this, but this also allows me, the seller, to be in more control. say what you want, but as a seller, this is the ideal situation. as buyer, they're already playing the sellers game. it's not as malicious as I'm making it sound, it's just supply and demand. i don't need to sell it as much as they need to buy it. I can find someone eventually, and usually items are scarce (a certain amount of drops appearing based on rng in daily dungeons with entry limits)

after a player messages me, we can discuss, and eventually come to a conclusion. likewise, if I "reveal myself" and my prices in allchat/shout, that already excludes a percentage of the population from pming me to begin with, because maybe they don't like that price. again, I'm willing to negotiate. my shout is crafted to get people in the door

I don't know why you're so angry lol. yes, it bothers me when people aren't prepared to negotiate, but I keep that rage to myself. and I get over it. I'm the seller, so I'm in no rush to sell. it's just nice when people discuss prices--a lot of times I form relationships w people that way, as well, and we continue to do business into the future. I'm not trying to swindle people here, I'm just doing good business

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>selling item for [way above market price] or better offer

>that one suspiciously jewish guy who has an iron girp on the entire server's economy
>half of the shit on the market and trade channel are being sold by him
>find out he doesn't even PvE or PvP on that character or even alts, he just logs in all day and jews the economy for fun
>doesn't even spend his gold at all

>>376987093
>warframe trade chat/market

>>377003192
>tfw I was him for a lot of servers
feelsgoodman, too bad I pretty much retire from RO

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>>377003192
>>find out he doesn't even PvE or PvP on that character or even alts, he just logs in all day and jews the economy for fun
I unironically find competing in the economy of MMOs more engaging than the actual gameplay desu
I spent the entirety of WoTLK, Cata through MoP era WoW amassing gold and influencing ecnomies without PvEing or PvPing at all on 5 different servers
That's 6 years of not even playing the game.

>>377003046
It's a ploy, he puts an item on the market for the price he wants and then sells another for way above and then you buy his item on the market because it's ''cheaper'', but he gets exactly what he wanted. You've fallen for his scheme. You have been bamboozled.

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>>377003752

>>377003017
>-a lot of times I form relationships w people that way

No you didn't. You don't have to pretend anon.

>tibia
>selling monster drops to NPC
>check action price for each one
>800 wolf tooth chains for 10% less than sell price to NPC
>buy them all for profit
>dont stack

Oh no!

>>377004770
F R I E N D S

everyone who wants a relationship is a dude anyway. or rarely a girl, but who cares. im not tryna date someone online kek im tryna make that cash money

>>377004770
believe it or not, that's how people interact both online and in real life. try it sometime. unless you already have.

not trying to assume anything, you just act like you have no idea what you're talking about

>>377005047
No anon you misunderstand. People you sell items to occasionally at a markup in a mmo are not your friends. Friends in online games dont care about prices with each other becuase they are friends.

see this? >>376998370

This is shocking because people give away stuff to friends all the time. You dont have friends.

You dont have anyone.

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>too dumb for economics but good at the game
>decide to run dungeons solo/duo and sell them to people who want the end reward
>make good money running them every day
>suddenly the dungeons rewards get nerfed to almost nothing
>nobody wants them anymore
>broke ever since

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>>377005491
>tfw too shy to play the game with other people but smart enough for economics
>spend the last 10 years playing WoW doing nothing by playing the AH on my level 46 tauren who's been sitting at that level since BC
>use all the money I get to twink out level 1s, 19s, 29s and 39s

It's a lonely experience.

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>>376987093
I liked how merchants worked in runescape. The more of a given item the merchant had the cheaper it was. And when you sold to a merchant it added to his inventory. Anyone else could come in and buy what you sold.

>>377005353
that's true, THOSE people aren't my friends. However, believe it or not, I make friends with SOME of the people i sell to. Actually, I made friends with someone two days ago who has been selling me a rare food item for lower than market price. only slightly lower, but lower nonetheless.

people like >>376998370 get screwed because they (admittedly) don't know the game. I've been playing this game since childhood, and I know the ins and outs of the economy. Of course there are people trying to resell and just generally act like scum. I do what i can to avoid these people. Also, a lot of the time but not all the time, these people tend to be pretty transparent if you know what you're looking for.

in case you never tried, it's good to establish networks of people you can (relatively) trust. of course, the only dude i can actually trust on the server is my IRL neighbor and bro from childhood. but in the meantime, i can negotiate and make deals with people and sometimes make friends with others.

As you suggested, caution is important. I probably got scammed/duped a lot back in the day, but i was an autistic middle schooler then. i used to be terrified to offer people prices that i thought they wouldnt like. i didnt even know how to negotiate and lower/raise prices on people. it's amazing how things chance.

>tuesday on wow
>some guy listed a 200g worth item for 1 copper back in BC
>enter a bidding war that last 15 hours
>manage to do the last bid before server shutdown
>threw all my 20 gold into it
Funny that now you can get your 180 gold in about 20 minutes

>>376995621
Thanks doc

>>377005962
>>377005353

also, in response to the giving away things to friends, i only do this with the IRL bro i mentioned. or if i feel like it/dont need it/ its cheap. never if some rando asks for it

>>377005491
I just wanted to tell you that I think players that offer mercenary services like this are one of the few good things about the "MMO" part of MMOs. I hope you have a great day today.

>>377006221
feels good having been the buyer and now the "mercenary"

desu no one gets screwed in this relationship. newer players tend to have to buy these gears to get to the endgame dungeons, then they become the mercenaries themselves and continue the circle of gear.

truly beautiful

>>377003752
I haven't played cs in months, all I do is bet on matches and trade / flip skins

>>376988986
In this game I played a common scam at a time was to sell a rare item at good market price, then dump all sort of worthless junk in the trade with it, and after you put all those things in you pull out the item the other guy wanted.

You would also see people trying to find out guild houses that people forgot to change the lock from "0" so that you could sell entry fee to newbies

>iron ores selling for less than half the price of iron bars
>buy up all the iron ores and fuse them
>realize I can do this essentially forever because retards keep undercutting the ore price and don't understand crafting
>quit game

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>>377005962
FYI, as
>>376998370

It wasn't so much that I cared about the price of the item or how much it was worth. I was happy to help my friend. In some ways I wonder to this day about checking the AH for that item and if I made the right decision. If I had simply trusted him and not thought he was deceiving me even a little, I would never have looked that item up, we would have continued on being friends and everything would have probably been okay.

I didn't trust him completely though and I looked up the item and it led to that series of events.

The price of the item or the value had nothing to do with it, I felt betrayed that he would abuse my trust like that though after all we had been through. If he had told me he needed gold I would have really tried to get him some.

>>377007162
oh i misread your post. i was using the part where you said you didn't know the price to explain (to the dude quoting me) that I know the prices in the game i play etc etc

yeah shit like that sucks. recently, i was dealing with a dude who was trying to buy out my entire private shop (AH of my game) for 1g or more less than each item was going for. in that instance, it was easy to tell that he was trying to resell on me. but that's shitty when someone in your guild would try and pull that on you. its like if im nice enough to give u a gift, dont take a dump on my kindness pl0x

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>>376994258
>>376995762
>>376996554

>not understanding one of the most fundamental elements of capitalist exchange

>turbo jews jewing themselves
>not being in a guild where you get stuff for free or super cheap
What do you even do with all the money?

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>>376994939
>>376994789
>>376994651
>Wanted to check how much my jack set would cost if I sold it
>1004492300g
What the fuck and that was my alt account.
>Ninja sword
>808,359,000g
>Kung Fu Panda (blue belt)
> 1,994,670,000g
sheeit

>>377007518
make more money

This stuff pissed me off to no end in Guild Wars 1 and Runescape. Even so, I do still think I prefer this kind of game market over auctionhouses.

>>377007162
If you didn't look up the item you'd have found out about it the next time you see him. He wouldn't have it equipped and if you doubted him even a little bit just giving it to him you'd have found out what he did with it when you saw him.

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>>376995731
GOD DAMN IT

>>377008468
auction houses suck because they accelerate inflation and deflation... usually deflation, as a lot of people have mentioned so far. If you see a bunch of people selling something for $5, for example, you'll be compelled to put your item up for $4.90, so that it sells at all. With that many of the same price, some people get anxious to get their money asap, even when they are taking a loss for it. The more of these people there are, the faster prices drop, the quicker economies change, and the less valuable farming for loot becomes.

The game I play operates on a private shop system, where the main town is flooded with a bunch of shops. in order to learn prices, you have to walk around and just look in shops. it sounds tiring, but it's more organic, and allows for more price diversity. you could easily, given patience, peruse each shop and learn the prices. you could even sell things for $4.90 that typically go for $5. but, since all the prices aren't listed together, you are less likely to harm the current price; by that i mean, the people selling for $5 will still have a market. Normally, the lower prices get bought out first, and then the only ones left on the market are the ones going for market price or higher. due to this, the lowest price on the market becomes the standard price from before, and people will continue to buy at that price or higher, depending on what the state of the market is when they chose to buy.

this also creates urgency, as, if you find an item at a lower price than what you've already seen, you're likely to jump on it quickly to ensure you get a good deal.

this also allows for shouts (all-chat messages) where people can sell things via pm's with other players. again, this all takes slightly more effort, but it becomes a sellers economy, one where each player is therefore motivated to farm drops and become a seller themselves. it allows for far more autonomy, more negotiation, and a healthier (more organic) trade system

But that's actually a good thing. It puts you in control of the negotiations.

>>376998910
>leave offers on wf market
>goyim scam themselves
its so easy its boring

>>377005784
Based runescape

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>tfw 5 different people asking for 1 item

>>376997782
That dnd mmo had that happen after kripparian found the exploit. The market was so fucked.

>auction an item manually
>guy whispers "10kk"
>reply "someone outbid you by 5kk"
>no one else was actually whispering
Not only that, but I did worse one time:
>4-manning a 6-man dungeon
>drop a rare spear for my alt
>party mates want to sell it and share profit
>open bids in global chat
>one guy whispers
>wage pretend bid war, so I win the bid
>he tries hard, so I ignore him and tell my party that he logged off
>log in my alt and grab item
>share minimum amount of money, because "we waited for too long, and item might disappear"
>actually, I was just a cheap motherfucker, even though I had the money

>>377008468
I don't like Auctionhouses either, I feel that they make the entire economic system so cold and impersonal.

As much as some of those jewish assholes might piss you off when they try to scam you or force you to overpay for something, each interaction is a direct interaction between you and that person and these interpersonal interactions are what help make the community and the economy feel alive.

If I could design an ideal system, it would be one where players and guilds opened their own shops to sell their items for bulk selling and personal trade existed for selling singular, specific items (and yes I know that many games already do this, it's just that it's my favourite economic system).


I always liked the feeling of having to search out a specific item you wanted to buy, it made the process of buying that special piece of gear into an adventure of it's own instead of any given item being purchasable by just going to the Auction House and clicking on the NPC.

I hate how convenience focused MMOs have become in general. Nowadays if you want to keep the attention of the ADD riddled normie crowd you need to make it so everything is instantly accessible at the player's finger tips without them having to search for it.

Want a quest? Just click the quest board button in your UI to access every quest in the god damn game!
Want an item? Just click the AH to buy any item in the god damn game!
Want to Raid? Just click the LFR button to do any raid in the god damn game!

Where's the fucking adventure in this? Where is the exploration and discovery of actually looking around in the game and stumbling across something cool or interesting? Where is the community interaction of getting some friends or guild mates together to go on a raid or dungeon?

I don't know, I just don't like what MMOs have turned into I guess. It used to be about the adventure.

Duke Freedom

>>377009338
>>377009710

Yeah, there's a reason many jumped ship after Grand Exchange was introduced. I was even a bit happy when it was revealed that Guild Wars 2 was gonna get an auction house but after I while I realised that I honestly miss this stuff. Also what mmos have player owned shops? That stuff needs to be implemented more.

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>>377009891

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>>377007514
>not understanding that the people who do this get their mats from bot accounts
It's one thing to undercut the market. It's another to ruin the market price by fucking cheating and flooding it with low price items you have in the hundreds because you bot.

>>377009904
the one im talking about is FlyFF, a mmo from like 2005/6 that continued into 2011-12. The main english server is still around, but its been dead for some time now. I think the german server is still going.

It was a korean grindfest that was only acceptable due to grindfests being all the rage when it came out. Now, I'm playing on the top private server after having been gone from the game for a long while. They increased exp, but the game isn't therefore easy. Instead of grinding to get max level, the grind is now to upgrade gear once you reach max level. after that, it's all farming and merching. honestly, it's really well done, at least this specific server. you can donate for premium stuffs, but grinding for money is easy without being laughable. there's a general farming area where you can AoE normal mobs for money, as well as solo and group dungeons where you can farm items/ crafting gear. very rewarding in my opinion.

unfortunately, i don't know of any "new" games with the private shop system, and i think the fact that FlyFF still has it is completely due to the fact that it's an old game. that being said, i've played quite a few private servers, and never before has it been so good, mainly because they made it not pay to win while also providing decent premium items for the fools who will always spend irl money

>>376987093
This is why I like market boards. Games without them have the worst player markets.

I often re-visit Wonderland Online every few months and players are so rich from years of play they'll charge absurd prices because the money has nowhere to go.

>>377003752
Accurate filename.

>Recently try to monopolize in WoW with alt professions
>Main mines X for my Alchemist who can turn 10 X into the rare Y to send to main to make a nice 50K or 100K mount
>Dont get enough Y to make the mount, but atleast Y sells pretty well!
>Never sells
>Eventually get enough to make the mount
>Mount takes forever to sell

I dont know which is worse. Ive done this with 3 seperate materials and mounts, and they just never sell.

>play Dofus a few years back
>start buying all the good prespic wigs and start selling them for bullshit prices
>other people start doing it
>ends up making even a shitty one cost 50+k
It stayed like that for years

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>>376991560
>selling V Materia
>sells 100k+ through week days
>weekend
>value drops to 2k-5k
>mfw under cutters by 1g
Ultros a worst. JP servers have superior prices.

>Those faggots that put up random grey items / single copper ores for 10000's of Gold on the AH

Why? was it some kind of AH bot glitch, or is it some kind of scam for other bots?

>>377011089

Mostly money transferring. Occasionally gold farmers do that too. You buy 1000000K gold, they tell you to put up a grey and ect.

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>>377011250
>and ect.

>>377011318

Do you not get the idea? They buy your stupid shit grey and you get the 1000000K. Jesus christ do you need it spelled out for you?

>>377011250
Oh that makes sense, never bought gold didn't think of that

I always assumed they really thought people were dumb enough to pay for that shit. And i suppose that WAS true since you would always get the odd level 16 green piece of armor put up for like 500g or something stupid

>>376991643
I remember selling cockroach pets in wow for upwards of 250g even though you could literally buy them for 1g or something like that, people just never bothered trying to find anything in undercity because that map design was atrocious

>>376987093
This is why I love the grand exchange so much, fuck nostalgia fags that want to be eyeraped by text spam and "lol l337 merchant" types demanding 100% profit per trade.

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>>376994789
>yeah those are worth 300k each now
Wow. I think this is from long term autists and tweens with their parent's credit card dominate the population. Some of my old items are worth tons now but no use in selling it since I don't use the place aside from nostalgia over my avatar and tektek.org.

>log in reward
>5k
>used to be 5g/50g

>>377011360

do you need us to spell it out for you? his post was about you saying "and etc" which is both redundant and improper. just say etc. or just leave it at "grey", because that's where your explanation ends anyway

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>>377011250
>and ect

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>>376991560
with that instable an economy, shouldn't it be easy to scam the shit out of the market?
>need X item N times
>have only one copy
>put it up, baiting with a nice undercut
>prices crash, but cheap
Sounds good to me, if it works

>>376997728
I always double check common items. I remember paying 5x the NPC price because I didn't research.

Never again.

>>376997742
This only works on low populated servers it seems in any game. Less people will complain, new players wont know what hit em.

>>377005962
>Actually, I made friends with someone two days ago who has been selling me a rare food item for lower than market price. only slightly lower, but lower nonetheless.

Anon, friends dont sell you items for a profit... ever. You are a regular customer to him so you have a discount.

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>"1 vex rune for sale. Offer"
>"1 fg"
>"deal"

i love how every thing is dirt cheap on d2jsp

>>377006649
Which game?

>>377011918
due to your pic I read that as "1 fug"

>>377004980
Kek tibia market it's only good on the OTs, and now that the exp was buffed in the original I feel like the game went to shit,

Hell I even remember when lord paulastina (450) at the time was the fucking God of that game needing an army to kill him, now there is a player with 1000+ level

That's why war servers like noxious are better than the original

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>come back to game after a couple years away
>economy is so fucked due to hackers everything costs tens of millions now
On the bright side some stupid hat I got from a free event several years prior sold for a stupid amount.

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>>376999710
>>377000493
Oh, that calculate thing is handy. Was it always there?

>>377011795
okay, a business acquaintance. however you wanna strike it, its not gonna change the fact that i'm not getting screwed over. we have a symbiotic relationship; we run dungeons together etc. he could sell his prices for higher if he wished. i could also buy them for higher. we're two strangers on a video game, of course we're not gonna start sharing shit right off that bat lolol. when we're not negotiating, we're chillin in town and shooting the shit.

im gonna assume you aren't social in many games, as it sounds like you haven't even had a positive buisness relationship with someone in game before. I used to be a loner in games, but as i grew up, i began interacting more, and it's paid off for me both socially and economically in game. so long as i keep relationships like this, i constantly have pleasant people to buy items from and sell items to, instead of negotiating with the average drivel of any server

but yeah homie, you got me, he's not actually my friend

>>377011429
I don't know if the value of items is just completely fucked all around, or if some of the rarer items I wanted years ago are just dirt cheap now, but a relatively normal item of about 40k is now worth 40 billion, while an item that cost a few million is now worth like 10 billion.

Anyone remember how the evolving items work? Any of the versions seem to do the exact same things, but they're worth different prices in the marketplace.

And I just checked on it and there are still people selling them for ludicrously low amounts. Like 9 billion, then 20 billion, and then mine at 40 billion, which was the lowest like an hour ago.

>>377005784
Runescape was like Economics 101

>>377012716
>>377011429
>mfw I haven't been on gaia for years and years
>hear about the inflation issue
>spend like five hours just selling shit to get lots of gold
>just on the off-chance if the inflation is ever resolved I can rule as king or be very fucking rich on the website

Games that have item exchanging but no in-game global exchange where you can simply set shit up and leave it until your exchange is accepted by someone else are bullshit.

It provides the same sort of market that faggots really like while keeping the pain of dealing with jews individually out of the picture.

>play TF2
>hoard earbuds, bill's hats, and max's heads
>manipulation by the jews at backpacktf destroyed their values
>now worthless inventory

Fucking jews ruin all economies.

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>play tf2 back when Mann vs. Machine was new
>get an Australium rocket launcher on my 4th tour
>post it on market for like 150, I'm the only one there
>day later, another dude posts one for 120 to try and super undercut me
>wait until that one is sold and then immediately relist for 200
>bought the next day
Eat shit

>>377013569
i think it's due to your lack of punctuation, but you lost me in the second half. are you in favor of or against auction houses/ group markets?

in my opinion, individual shops are the way to go. that way there is still autonomy and ability to over and undersell without drastically influencing the average price of each item. when all items are listed together in an auction house, prices change quickly, as once a few people lower or raise, everyone does. When the shops are individually owned (by leaving a personal npc shop in town, among other player's shops) the market becomes more exploratory, where prices must be hunted for. in this case, because prices aren't directly compared to each other, there is more price diversity, and it becomes easier to sell things at slightly varying prices. this also slows the rate of money inflation/deflation, as when one person changes his price, the other sellers are not immediately aware (and in many cases, if someone is underselling, it sells so quickly that no one else in the market will have seen it/ will be able to react or lower their own prices)

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>>377013160
I can't bring myself to sell anything no matter the value. My teen self worked so hard to get them that I can't let go.

>>377013984
I am in favor of group markets. Prices fluctuating some thanks to undercutting is well worth the time saved by not having to deal with all sorts of bullshit with people privately.

>we have gaifags

This explains everything

>>377011398
transmog can easily sell for thousands regardless of the item itself. 500g is almost nothing for a transmog piece.

>>377014154
ehh, i disagree, but that's why there's game diversity, i suppose. to each his own

ill admit, i used to feel as you do. however after playing this game for (way too many) years, i have learned to trade efficiently. of course there are faggots and scrubs who are a pain to deal with, which can be annoying. but there are also normal people.

what i think is most important about this type of economy is that is encourages a seller's market. by this i mean: because prices aren't as liable to fluctuate (read: drop quickly), I can reliably and securely spend my time farming for loot, knowing that it will likely always be a sustainable source of income.

this being the case, I, the seller, am in the driver's seat. dungeons are limited by entries-per-day, and therefore only a handful of each drop is available every 24-hour cycle. this allows people like me, people who farm (who put in the effort), to consistently make money, and feel rewarded by my work. Likewise, because drops are limited by day, the buyers are pressured to engage in cooperative dialogue with the sellers, negotiating prices and working out deals. it's organic and simulates real-world trade (as much as a game could). And, strangely, this promotes friendly and reciprocal conversation/trade among players. For example, I have a reputation selling drops, and get pm's each day from people i've sold to in the past. They actually come to me now.

So, with my farming being backed by consistency, it's more rewarding. I know my work will pay off, and I don't have to worry about the economy changing every week.

I think these advantages far outweigh the disadvantages. For some people, it's a loss--as it was for me back in the day, when i was too scared to make offers i thought others wouldnt like. But for people who know what they're doing, it's perfect. It's entrepreneurial and encourages farming/selling.

it's an economy that virtually stimulates itself

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>No Recette yet

You're all trash

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>>376987093
>offer average price of item
>"lol"

>>377015092
>can't ctrl-f

>>377015141
>have item in low supply and high demand
>claim to be selling it in chat
>have no intention to sell it and just want to piss off desperate people

>>377015092
How do I progress when people outright refuse to buy anything at even reasonable prices?

>>376987093

>"don't try and low ball me i know what this is worth"

>Hey I saw your ad for (INSERT THING) on craigslist, what's your ideal asking price on it
>make me an offer

>posts picture of stack of hoarded limited supply thing just waiting to be scalped
>RARE OUT OF PRINT LOW STOCK

The internet killed collecting, wait what is this thread about?

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>advertise my trade a few times
>no takers
>...
>...
>someone eventually PM's me
>"lol just kidding i don't want to buy that shit"

>>377015036
>i like it because i can abuse it
Really nice argument there.

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>poe
>start of league
>someone post some leveling item in trade site with no buyout
>ask anyway
>"20c :)"
>"dude it's like 1c if I buy from people posting it with buyout"
>"lol"
This fucking game.

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>>376987197
>>376987093
>>376994784
>thought people were talking about old-school cRPGs with barter skill
>they're actually talking about MMO trash

Alright, I'm out

>>377016840
see you later friend

>>377016840
don't forget your fedora on the way out.

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>>377016840
>old-school
>\vee\

>>377017012
You need to be 18 or older to post here

>>377017069
More like
>good taste
>forward slash vee

>>376987093
>"selling part x pm offers"
>"hows 15?"
>"lol try 150"
>parts x, y, and z together aren't even worth 100
I hate greedy faggots

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>>377016840

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Why are most modern games so anti fun when it comes to trading and economy? It feels like you aren't allowed to do anything that could potentially leave another player a sucker anymore.

Scamming gets you banned
Trade limits everywhere, try to work around them, Ban.
"Manipulating the economy" gets you warnings.
Getting a group of friends together to perform jewish tricks on the market gets you warnings or bans.
Finding ways to get rich quick is now "exploiting game mechanics", Ban.

>>377016810
Is it really that bad? I know a guy who runs it and just fucks off to other games while it's tabbed out, but he says he can make some pretty good bank from it

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>Hey mind crafting this for me, I have the mats and will pay you for your time
>Asks for a price where a single craft of the item would be the price of 3 of them off the market board
>Ask if they're retarded
>"Whatever I'm just trying to help you man, I spent a lot of money getting to this point in crafting"

>>377015141
the worst part is if you are willing to pay more, you gotta be all polite and say "well how much did you want for it then?" and then if they say something completely outlandish like they always do, you insult their heritage and move on.

>>377017371
Game is amazing, trading is fucking annoying precisely because of that: either you play or you trade, not both.
Some kind of AH would be great, but devs and purist are 100% against it even though current trade workflow works exactly like an AH would only with forced human interaction so good luck with that.

>>376989285
>best girl
She was a cuck. And Gon totally deserved to destroy her
[spoilers]still dont know why or how kite became a loli[/spoiler]

>>377016662
i guess it reads that way.

naturally, when i began the game, i was at the seller's mercy, from who i got my gear. but once you reach max level (in this game specifically), you have access to a dungeon from which you can gather upgrade materials, and in excess. The game provides you, while leveling to max level, with enough gold to get mostly all your endgame items clean (non upgraded). from there, you grind out the upgrade mats. after you upgrade enough, you continue to upgrade while farming the dungeons that have item drops (the ones you buy clean before you begin to upgrade).

if that isn't your style, the game also provides an area where you can farm gold by 1v1ing or AoEing (the preferred method).

I suppose you could say I'm "abusing" it. but I'm really selling in a system that is fair to both buyer and seller. the seller SHOULD have the advantage, if only in the sense that i can sell to whomever i want. im in no rush to sell. buyers tend to have more urgency for the fact that they demand an item that is varying in supply

if you think i'm abusing that, it's because capitalism is inherently broken in various ways. however, the system of farming gear/gold in this game is structured so that anyone can climb their way up and become a seller as well.

assuming you accidentally glossed over the part where i talked about negotiation: i also mentioned that this encourages buyer and seller to have productive dialogue over prices. of course there are scumbags who will hike prices and act like dicks. but, because the majority of sellers aren't acting like dicks, the buyer has the opportunity to make good deals, given they are patient and know what they're looking for.

it's not abusive, rather it's conducive to intelligent consumers and sellers. typically, the people trying to sell for high don't sell, and the ones selling for reasonable prices gain good reputation (see: the part where I said people come to me asking if I have specific drops)

>>377015371
Each NPC has their own wallet size and willingnes to overpay. Start intentionally lower so that they buy from you. After several buys their relationship with you will increase as well as their wallet. After a few wallet levelups they will be able to afford bigger more expensive wares.
Also if you want your favourite dungeon party member to be well equiped, sell it at very low price as well. It's better to have better geared heroes, then unsold armors.

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>>377017363
>"Your trade will be held for 15 days because you haven't activated Steam Mobile Authenticator in the last 7 days."

>>377017824
>spoiler
Sasuga. Anyway, I believe it was his Nen ability. Been awhile since I read and I recall Gin being the one to teach it to him. Something something "No way in hell I'm gonna die". Don't quote me on this, would be safer to glance at the wiki.

>>377017831
>>377016662

if that still wasn't clear I'll put it in shorter terms:

buyers have many options, as there is no auction house. because prices aren't listed together, they can find prices for much higher as well as much lower than market price. due to this, they have the ability to shop around until they find a price that suits them.

after they get their gear clean, they are already able to begin farming for upgrade materials. once they do that, they can farm loot and begin selling on their own.

typically, you spend the first two days of the game as a buyer and not a seller. from there on, you do both, as it is a trade-market economy. it's not unfair to the buyer, but being a buyer implies that you are at the whim of the people who currently hold the item you want. because there are usually multiple people selling the items u want, you have choice who you buy from. due to this, most sellers arent dicks. the ones who are dont sell

it's actually the best online market i've been a part of.

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>>377018050
Give me your phone number, nerd

>PayPal
>you go first

>>377017831
>seller SHOULD have the advantage
That is so fucking stupid on so many levels.

Sellers never should have advantage or economy will end up with jews jewing jews. There is a fucking reason why we have government trade regulations, absolutely free market will turn into a horroshow really fast. You are speaking from the top of the food chain, ofcourse you are enjoying the ride and shekels.

>>377015371
stop jewing your customers so hard. The more you fuck them the less they like you, the less money they bring, the less they show up, the less they buy in a given trip.

The inverse is true too.

If you're not getting pin bonus chains you're doing it wrong

>>377018501
i'm actually not at the top of the food chain, but i expected it would sound like that. i'm actually mid-level. what i'm trying to explain is that, contrary to other games, there are varying levels of dungeons to farm. once you hit max level, you can already begin with shitty gear.

therefore, you can climb up at your own pace. im nowhere near max gear, and there are plenty of people who are above me, still. i buy from them, they buy from me etc. but that's not the issue here

if the seller didn't have motivation to sell, the game would simply die. there would be no reason to farm. likewise, if people farming sell for too high, people won't buy from them. this is balanced by the limited amount of dungeon runs each day. the rng of drop rate keeps items from oversaturating the market. The private shops and pm-ing allow for price negotiation. because lowly-geared people can farm the upgrade mats early, even they can make a good amount of money as soon as they hit max level (or begin upgrading, after which they can farm even more money)

i've no way to prove this to you, but i've only been on the server for slightly over a month and, unlike other servers ive been in, i actually feel like there's a balance-- in the sense that i didnt feel jewed out/ i was able to become a vendor through my own effort

also, im not tryna be hostile fyi. discussion like this gets me going.

what is the alternative you're suggesting?

>>377018989
>>377018501

i also forgot: there are dungeon tiers starting from half the max level going upward. you can literally make 12 low level chars, farm the same dungeon 36+ times a day, and make money without any gear.

i probably should have mentioned that first.

effort is rewarded, therefore the seller is promoted. i didnt mean that the seller is king

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>Playing PokeMMO
>Link a 5x31 Pokemon (Breeding them used to cost around 1mil now it's closer to 890k) in chat
>PM from XxBRxSp1cPut0xX: 80k

>>376987093
>selling pots in ToS
>bunch of Alchemist getting together to keep the price high
>proceed to dump 5k pots at 50% below the market price
>pots price tank forever since

>>377018989
Standard mmo auctions works decent enough as is. If you want to force more interactions you could make them not automated buying selling bots, as is you list your shit together with everyone else and buyer needs to contact you specifically to buy.

>>377019562
that's more or less what my games system is, the difference being the shops are individually run in the same town (each player has an npc shop sitting next to all the other npc shops). the onus is on the seller to shop around, gather info on where prices lie, and then buy from the most reasonable seller. it's auction in the sense where they can buy on the spot, individualized in that, since the prices aren't directly listed together for each item, sellers can range their prices. good prices sell, bad prices don't (unless an uninformed or anxious buyer buys from the high priced sellers)

my point is, there is room to climb, and without the ability to climb, why even farm in the first place?

>>377019915
Player stalls is different from that. With stalls there is zero price aggregation, no search whatsoever, chat that spammed with WTB/WTS/WTT/WTF/FFS, on top of ugly stalls ruining the city landscape, lagging everything up and making navigation a huge pain in the ass.

>>377020512
well the lag/ugliness/navigation is another issue entirely, and irrelevant to the effect the system has over the economy of the server. and the ugliness is subjective.

I've heard people complain of lag in the past (like, years ago), but this game (and this is specific to this game only, not all games with this system) is from 2006, so the lag really isn't an thing on modern day computers, especially compared to how bad it was in the past. also, since it's a pserver, the dev's have already taken measures to both expand the town in which shops are held, as well as increase the overall fps rate and performance of the server.

and there's definitely search! you can just walk around and look in all the shops. once you've done this for a few days, you're already familiar with the "reasonable" prices, and don't have to spend as much time searching the next day. Also, as i stated earlier, if you gain rep as a good seller, people will add you to their friends list and contact you for business in the future.

as far as the aggregation of prices, i cannot make claims, as i haven't seen enough to really see where prices started and are heading.

that being said, i thought your avocation of auction houses was founded on the idea that prices ARE aggregated, or stagnate in some way. maybe im just less familiar, having only played a few modern mmos with auction houses, but i remember the prices staying the same, as well as it being hard to sell, given everyone is selling at the same price, in the same place.

>not buying out the entire market and then raising the price on it
Admittedly, this only really works on consumables, but come on, guys.

>>377022028
Depends on the game. XIV has a restriction on how many listings of 1 thing can be up so if you have enough retainers and alts, or loyal friends, you can literally hold a high demand item in an iron grip.

>>377021096
It's not another issue, how you sell, how easy it is to get customers to see what you sale and how annoying it is to be a customer in the first place is a huge fucking deal in any sort of business. It is directly relevant to economic, sidelining it as something irrelevant and subjective hardly a good thing.

Not every game is potato friendly, hell fucking Lineage 2 will give you 10fps in active trading hubs still, and that's 15 years old game. The fact that you play on private server of all things explains a lot too, as you barely have population to really make things bad even at prime time.

That's not search, it is a fucking flea market browsing. Search is typing up your shit on ebay and getting a list with everything relevant.

My point is auction houses, be it my originalideadonotsteal or regular are involving bigger amount of playerbase into actual trading as it doesn't take a day to find what you are looking for browsing through tightly packed stall carpet. Current mmo auction houses works more like stock markets if we talk about dedicated sellers perspective, prices can fluctuate a lot, things can plummet or become expensive on a single datamined thing from a new patch, decent market sense is mandatory, you need to play 0.01 game a lot too, as well as being willing to invest into buying out undercutting competition goods.