Point out ONE (1) single flaw you cant

It didn't have a bell puzzle

No coop

Boring

You have to take pictures.

There's a reason why they took that shit out with Infinite.

Twist was stupid

Superficial "your choices matter" system

>>376969618
>>376969598
on top of this, map design was way more linear than it tricked you into believing as well as having a pretty boring and shallow combat system

overrated but still good

No ng+

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I have a subpar PC and the PS3 version.

Which should I play?

Ending was shit was shit
Plot pretty much just stopped after killing Andrew Ryan
Gameplay starts getting boring once you get all the weapons and realize there's nothing new for half the game

No futas in game that cum all over you

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>>376969801
PS3 because the install music is godly, the delete the game and throw it out

Everything after Ryan isn't very good.

camera shit was tedious

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>>376969131
2 was better.
And Infinite was the best of the 3.

>>376969618
wasn't the whole point that it was intentionally superficial?

>>376970048
Agreed on 2 but that other shit is irredeemable.

>>376970105
Well there are different endings so they do matter? 2/10 in my book

What sort of dumbass would make a plan contingent on somebody surviving a plane crash in the middle of the ocean?

>>376969618
t. didn't get the point of the narrative

Why the fuck did Andrew Ryan's accent change so much? His radio voice sounded different than the first time you "meet" him trying to escape the medical pavilion, and both sound different than when you meet him in person. And I don't mean tone, it honestly sounds like he has a completely;y different accent.

>>376969131
rpg elements felt weak and forced in. hacking was a chore. should've just been a straight up shooter.

>>376970535
>Rpg elements felt weak and forced in
>Hacking was a chore
How so?

>>376969131
it's boring

>>376970710
Not him but how did you find hacking anything other than a nuisance? I thought that was universally agreed to be a mistake.

>>376970710
2/3 through the game i stopped hacking entirely. if i didn't have a hack tool or money to bribe the lock open (lol?), i just skipped the safe or whatever and moved on. it wasn't a fun or interesting mechanic. hacking minigames are always bad in every game, but bioshock's is one of the worst.

http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Bioshock_Infinite_Removed_Content\

What happened?

>>376970261
He wasn't actually on the plane, that memory of him being on it looking at the picture was put in his brain along with the rest of his family memories

They planted his body in the ocean after the plane crashed with no survivors

>>376971029
I actually don't really know, but I actually enjoyed it. Granted 2's was more challenging since it doesn't pause the game and you have to be wary of your surroundings.

>>376969131
Ill say this, this game is super well optimized. Runs consistently over 60fps on my intel integrated laptop with 1 gb ram

>>376971365
then what was the point of showing jack recieving the "would you kindly" message on the plane instructing him to crash it?

There were too many revelations at the same time

>"Would You Kindly" magic phrase
>Killing Ryan
>Atlas is the bad guy
>Atlas is Fontaine

>>376971792
This is a bad thing because...?

>>376971925
Nothing interesting happens between that and the end of the game.

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>>376969131
Honestly the only major flaw is the fact that you usually can't die, so there isn't much of a challenge. There was a dlc where you could turn off Vita chambers but it slows the intentional pacing of the game, so it's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't kinda thing. Overall though it's an amazing game.

>>376972219
But you take your revenge against Fontaine.

>>376971365
nice fanfic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNajXutLqkc
Fuck Bioshock Infinite all of it

>>376972270
>but it slows the intentional pacing of the game
Only if you died a lot. This is probably the dumbest reasoning I have ever heard for not disabling vita chambers.

>>376972354
Exactly. Fontaine was a boring character.

>>376972570
But he was a very despicable person who deserved to have his shit kicked in, how could you not be interested in giving him karmic retribution?

>>376972664
Atlas actually felt like a character with depth. Then they tell you he's some Brooklyn gangster that's been pretending the whole time. I just didn't care at all.

Vita chambers made the game babby mode shit for piss baby shitter shatter niggers and women and the game was either piss easy or the enemy was bullet sponges and you ran out of Eve or ammo to deal enough damage to them which didn't even matter past the beginning because then you become a god.

And the game was a one way track to railroad city. Railroaded down narrow corridors to shitville.

Bioshock is a legit 6/10 game at best. A shit/10 game.

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>>376972857
>Hell, once I was even a Chinaman for six months!

>>376969131
The game takes place after the shit hits the fan instead of showing rapture in its heyday before shit goes sideways

There was almost no character interaction

Fallout 3 came far closer than bioshock in delivering what Levine promised.

>>376969131
The Ending

t. huge fan of the game

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>>376969131
it fails to launch if you don't have headphones plugged in. I don't know why it does this.

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Honestly by biggets pet peev is not having a "All machine hacked" mode after you beat the game for the first time, replaying it is a pain in the fucking ass because of the machines.

>>376972857
For what it's worth, his character gets much better in the tie-in novel

>>376973569
I don't get why people say this. I thought the ending was well done. All the loose ends gets tied up. Atlas gets fucked and you get to go free. The raising of the little sisters as your own daughters was a bit retarded but other than that I liked it.

The remastered edition is one of the worst pieces of shit I've ever had the displeasure of having in my steam library. It fucking crashed right before I got to Ryan, and corrupted my Hephaestus level save.

>>376970261
also this

Bioshock is one of the best games ever created but the final boss was SHIT

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>>376969131
>Peaches takes all your ammo, yet you get a fixed amount back at the end of the fight. Even if this amount is greater than what you gave him. Destroys the point of saving up resources up to that point.

>Hilariously easy. I have to turn off Vita-Chambers, play on Hard, and then unbind the medkit button to give me a challenge. Only sources of health are gene tonic bonuses, health stations, and food/booze.

>Should have had two paths after killing Ryan depending on whether you'd obeyed Fontaine in killing Little Sisters. One where you side with Tenenbaum (this route would be what is actually in the game) and one where you side with Fontaine (he kits you out with massive amounts of ADAM and sends you to assault Tenenbaum and get the Sisters back)

>Terrible final boss (even one of the devs admitted it)

And BioShock is my unironic favorite game of all time. But I don't think its perfect.

>>376971365
Utter fanfiction.

>>376974175
I love the ending cutscenes, but the Protector Trials and Fontaine bossfight were bad.

Pictures
Linear
Plot lifted from a better game that did it better
Final boss
the ending
atmosphere stops being tense in any way once you realize death has no consequence

I'm probably forgetting some things.

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>>376969131
Subtitles completely ruined the pacing of the cutscenes. Turn them off if you're going to play.

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>>376975209
Nothing about Bioshock would surprise someone if they had any experience with System Shock 2 beforehand, it was almost pathetic how predictable a lot of the narrative was. Bioshock 2 by comparison was much more engaging despite the story being much more straightforward.

>Bioshock 1
>Hacking minigame pauses the game
>You have to reload to switch ammo
>Can only use weapons or plasmids one at a time
>Chemical Thrower
>Collectible materials of which can be used to craft ammo and other items
>Camera records pictures
>Can upgrade all of your weapons to the max (2 upgrades per weapon)
>Can hold 9 first aid and hypos at a time

>Bioshock 2
>Hacking minigame is simpler and quicker but doesn't pause the game
>Distant hacking gun
>Switching ammo is quicker
>Can use both weapons and plasmids at a time due to "duel wielding"
>Level 3 elemental plasmids act like the chemical thrower
>Area of effect plasmids for level 2 elemental ones
>Expanded trap plasmids
>Escort little sisters for more Adam
>Camera records video
>Limited amount of weapon upgrades (3 upgrades per weapon)
>Hold a smaller amount of first aid and eve hypos at a time, in contrast to the first game.

Which game did it better? Also did I miss any other gameplay mechanic differences?

no inventory system despite the games before it having 1

really linear

hacking is piss easy

final boss

too many cinematic cutscenes

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>>376975003
>Hilariously easy. I have to turn off Vita-Chambers, play on Hard, and then unbind the medkit button to give me a challenge.

I've played Bioshock many times but I've never actually played it with vita chambers off. For some reason it just feels like I'm "cheating" to make the game harder. Also this might sound stupid but I like having them on because Jack being able to use them is a part of the story.

idk didn't play

>>376969131
Shit mechanics, even for its time
Shit story, only the world building was good
Hacking

>>376969131
The end boss was total shit.

>>376975637
2 did pretty much everything better, it's no contest.

>>376969131

>Dumbed down clone of System Shock 2
>None of SS2's depth and tension in RPG systems, resource management, level design, even combat
>Rehash of SS2 narrative in new environment
>Pseudo-intellectual bullshit story that falls apart under any scrutiny
>Game is fucking easy on every difficulty with infinite respawns, braindead AI, thoughtless upgrade system
>Shitty hacking minigame
>Inane "moral choices"

Point out one thing this game does well, other than decent art direction.

>>376978493
then why even reply?

>>376969131
ending was a huge cop out. th-there is stuff in the air that made u do it!!

>>376969131
Second half drags a bit. I noticed it a lot on my second playthrough.

It is also easy for the most part. Not enough enemy variety either.

i am the only one who loved the hacking and photography upgrading

a lot of people probably didnt figure out you could research turrets and cameras which lets you instantly hack and avoid the minigame

are the remasters any good? kinda want to install and play through 1 and 2

Not on my dick.

>>376980849
The rereleases are unmitigated garbage on PC. Ports of unpatched console versions, super buggy and unstable, tons of issues. Just bump up the resolution on the original versions (which are free with the rereleases on Steam) and you'll be in better shape.

Hear they're fine on console though.

>>376971029
I understand your position but I honestly thought it was a fun minigame.

>>376969131
bioshock is literally not a videogame, it's a visual novel with extra steps. vita chambers mean there's no failstate, you can literally just run into a big daddy swinging a wrench and eventually kill him. games have a way to lose

>b-but you can turn them off
not in the initial version the devs intended.

>>376969131
You can get this game free if you buy infinite, which is like 6 bucks used for PS3 and 360.

>>376972270
This game and Bioshock 2 are best played on Hard mode. I can't say that for certain about many games, but these 2 I am 100% sure of.

>>376982304
I don't get why everyone rails on this so hard when many other games do it as well. I'm not saying you should enjoy it, I just don't get why it's such a big issue for Bioshock in particular.

>>376969131
Nigga, you serious?

Everything that happens after WYK is mediocre and the final boss is terrible.

>>376980849
They are so fucking bad on PC, Bioshock 2 in particular is borderline unplayable.

>>376978493
*sigh* If you didn't play, why comment at all? What kind of a fuck wit feels the need to announce they DIDN'T play a game, in a thread about playing the game?

No black people

>>376982304
So like Metal Gear Solid then? Got it. But I bet you like those, right?

>>376982304
So would you also classify Super Meat Boy as a Visual Novel?

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>>376969131
The final third portion didn't live up to the high standard set by the plot twist halfway through the game.

Prey is a much better System Shock successor

Rehashing Splicer models

>>376969131
One of the glaring flaws, was that there was no benefit to getting the bad ending. You got a lot more atom saving the sisters then you did harvesting them.

>>376984550
What do people have against the escort mission?

>>376969131
This game particularly for some reason makes my 360 run loud.

>>376986563
Beyond the obvious gameplay-based criticisms of cramming in an escort mission without precedent, it makes no logical sense.

>>376986740
How is it crammed gameplay-wise?

>>376969131
From 2006 to now, I've become almost entirely disillusioned by FPS games. It's all the same shit with a different coat of paint.

>>376986841
Because the player hasn't been going through the game with the mindset of how to deal with an escort mission.

>>376987121
I guess that makes sense. If it was Bioshock 2, players would be more ready for the escort mission.

>>376969131
Shitty pc port.

>>376969131
The game loses steam after the reveal and the final boss fight was stupid

>>376987248
Yes, even though Little Sister extractions are optional, because the first one is required, players are told it's going to be a recurring thing throughout the game. Because the areas have more verticality and less linearity than the first game, players can keep that in mind when making their builds.

>>376969131
It's my literal favorite game and I can name 3:
1. Research sucks, was good in 2
2. Hacking sucks, was good in 2
3. Plasmid upgrades are just linear and boring, in 2 they are actually interesting

Port those features from 2 into one and you have a perfect game.

the gunplay is boring
every area looks like the same hallway
unoriginal narrative

This is my favorite video game of all time and I can point out plenty: the entire third act feels tacked on, the final boss sucks, and the endings are about as stock as you can get. The moral choice system, while an interesting intitial choice with the first little sister you encounter, is limp as hell when you realize your punished for not being good. Fontaine's plan to have Jack hijack an aircraft and expect him to survive to make it to Rapture is a mind boggling leap of logic.

>>376975003
Are there really enough elitist people in the world to populate a city that fuck huge?

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>>376969131
no inventory ez pz

>>376969131
Lel
>dumbed down as fuck
>way too fucking easy
>Rapture just looks like one big subwqy station
>physics are terrible
>combat is absolute ass
>fails as a role-playing game
>fails as a horror game
>hacking costs nothing and only serves to turn every turret and camera into an instant environmental advantage
>objectivism is only appealing to idiot americans who still think health care shouldn't be free, the very idea is laughable everywhere else
But the most glaring flaw is that the Big Daddy/Little Sister dynamic simply does not work. You're supposed to feel sad for Big Daddies when you kill them, but unless you are autistic the only people who could concievably feel sorry for them are little kids playing a shooter for the first time in their lives. And you are supposed to feel sad that the Little Sister is crying but when you rescue her she fucking thanks you so you know they are all brainwashed. And harvesting them gives you barely any benefit in the long run, which means the option literally exists so that players can be an asshole for no reason. I could go on.

Don't even get me started on Bioshock 2, that game took Bioshock and made it worse.

Funnily enough I don't mind any of this. It's looking back on it that that helped Irrational iron out the kinks. Bioshock tried to be System Shock 3. Irrational needed to learn not to try making System Shock 3. So while Bioshock is one of the most overated video games of all time, liked only by self-absorbed hipsters and obese holier-than-thou virgin nerds, as it is an utter, abysmal failure to make a successor to System Shock 2 (at least in hindsight); if it wasn't for this game we never would have gotten the far superior Bioshock Infinite (A.K.A. the best video game of all time).

So even if Bioshock is bad, it ultimately lead to video gaming perfection. So it's not all bad.

>THIS GAME HAS SUCH A DEEP MORALITY SYSTEM GOY....GUYS
>YOU CAN CHOOSE TO KILL LITTLE GIRLS.....OR NOT KILL LITTLE GIRLS!!!ISN'T THAT JUST GREAT!?!?!?

>>376990039
My thoughts exactly. What gives me cause for concern for the (((people))) on this board is that you can find specimens who to this day unironically defend the original Bioshock (or worse, the garbage fire that is Bioshock 2) and talk shit about Bioshock Infinite.

It is troubling that such a number of people can be blinded to the turgid quality of a game simply by layering a couple of disposable features masquerading as "depth" on top of it that plays in to people's identities as social outcasts.

It is doubly troubling that their reaction to Bioshock Infinite is dismissive. Are they just such sheep that they want to look superior to "the masses" by not liking successful, beloved games; or given the fact that Bioshock Infinite tells a story about historical race relations in America, is the root of their reaction to the game something ultimately utterly different, something vile and ugly?

Food for thought.

>>376969131
You can't use a plasmid at the same time as a weapon, you have to awkwardly switch between them all the time while your left hand does nothing

>>376969131
Literally the Plasmid system.

Did you ever realize the power of plasmids wasn't the damage they gave, but the effect they gave?

I literally never upgraded Shock or Flame because their damage sucked and with each damage upgrade they cost more to use.

Fuck that. I'd rather stun lock the fuck out of a splicer.

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Why did Andrew Ryan let Jack just beat him to death? What the fuck was the point of that? He could've told Jack to shoot himself and he would've done it. Andrew Ryan holed himself up and hid for years just so he could die at the hands of his son? It makes no sense.

>>376990591
> Are they just such sheep that they want to look superior to "the masses" by not liking successful, beloved games

Yes.

>>376970206
>hurr durr I am better than everyone because I dislike something they all like

>>376975003
I like you.

The entire game took a giant shit after the tweest.

Bioshock 2 though...

Only impressionable people like it.

>>376993562
not much of a twist in the game other than having to kill sinclair
The thought of it still makes me disappointed, that guy was genuinely cool, man

Predictable yet nonsensical plot.

If you wanna have a good challenge run though try playing without harvesting or saving any little sisters apart from the first mandatory one. Having to manage with just 2 plasmid slots plus only being able to use what you find gives a refreshing twist to the whole ordeal. Also fun trying to kill big daddies with a limited skill set though you can still cheese them with weapons and telekinesis.

>>376990591
I didn't like Bioshock Infinite because I did not enjoy the story or the core gameplay, it did look pretty though

t. philistine

>>376988830
Construction workers and maintenance crew live there too. Think of all the factories that would exist in a mega laissez-faire "utopia" down there, and all the people needed to run it. The whole point of the fall of Rapture was the civil warfare caused by class-oppression (further amplified by the discovery of EVE and ADAM).

>>376991627
Andrew Ryan's ideals were more important to him than his own life. He was metaphorically "going down with the ship" so that Jack could live on to complete his vision post-mortem.

>>376970048
>And Infinite was the best of the 3.

8/10 made me reply

>>376994915

The twist was basically that there was no twist. I loved that. The second Sinclair got on the mic I knew he was going to betray me. Then when he does it hits you like a Mack truck. The game was great about playing into your expectations to subvert them.