FFXIV

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This game has 200k active players and dropping all the time.

>>376913265
>loading between each area
>invisible walls
>can't mount everywhere
>can't fly everywhere

Hmmmmm xivbabs?

>>376913410
>responding to it
dumb frogposter

>>376913410
>drops from 200k all the time


so there's a steady influx? sounds like alot of dosh is getting raked in

>>376913498
anybody up for some debunkt memes?

I like it.
It's not ideal and I don't know what would make it better, but I really enjoy it the way it currently is. Loking forward to SB even if it's more of the same.

>>376913265
sell me xiv

WAR is going to be the best tank for 2 more years and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

>ideal MMORPG
>basically casual dressup for babies who never held a controller in their hands
Interesting

I really like it, but why have no MMO managed to copy the combat fluidity from world of warcraft? I haven't played wow since wotlk, but I remember movement and combat just FELT better than FFXIV.

Is it the engine or what?

>>376914571
Current WoW feels much worse than XIV.

>>376914664
It really doesn't. Even with doubleweaving XIV feels considerably slower (until you get used to it anyway). WoW has pretty good netcode they've built over the years while in XIV the connection between standing in an animation and actually receiving damage is tentative at best.

>>376914403
AOE PLD will change the game

>>376914319
It's alright.
Overall it's a well-designed tab-target themepark mmo with many callbacks to the ff-series and great music. It also looks pretty.
Not revolutionary, nothing extraordinary that makes it a must-play, but out of its genre it's one of the better games.

I WANT A BEAUTIFUL PRE-RENDERED VERSION OF THE OMEGA-SHINRYU FIGHT

FUCKING DO IT SQUARE

>>376914768
>every player bounces around with weird waddle animations
>hotkeys look like like conkers bad furday half ass drawings
>ui controls like buck bumble

no lol

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Let's have a cex thread. Also help me out anons, I really want to play persona 4 but my pc is busted so emulation isn't possible atm, all I've got left is a ps4 and these options

>go to cex and buy a cheap vita and a copy of persona 4 the golden: total price 180
>order a ps2 and copy of persona 4 from cex: total price 140

But I noticed in my local piss stained cex they have one of those "playstation tv" things for like 30 bucks but I have no idea what it does, does it let me play vita games (like p4 the golden) on my ps4 after downloading them off the store or something?

>>376915141
Wrong thread?

>>376915141
Get a vita. Hack it. P4.

>>376915141
It's basically a Vita that hooks up to your tv. Look up a list of compatible games, not all games work with it.

>>376915109
Can you repeat all that in English please?
I don't speak monkey.

>>376915141
>>376915215
I think he wanted to post on that Yukiko thread.

>Blood for Blood
>Internal Release
>Invigorate
>Second Wind

What do I use my last cross-class skill slot for as NIN? Everything else is shit.

>>376914571
Probably because your FPS is worse in XIV than it is in WoW which affects fluidity.

Playing XIV on a 120hz monitor on my Monster PC feels smooth as fuck. You can jump and do a 720 degree spin with your mouse with the flick of your wrist like in WoW.

>>376915512

hmm? there doesnt seem to he an arguement here, just gibberish. oh well

>>376915556
Do you PVP?
If yes, you could get featherfoot for extra protection, or feint to fuck over healer since it's an actual 20% slow on their cast.

Vindictus >>> shit >>> XIV

>>376915556
i dont understand how you can have fun with nin

sure the class itself sounds fun and the abilities are visually tasteful, but all your job is about is babbysitting the tank. i almost fell for the cuck until i did a little reading

>>376913410
And you don't even need a 10th of that on your server to have an active community so what's your problem?

>>376914286
>>376915046
This, honestly. I didn't even really expect anything going into it, but it's solid and provides a good amount of fun, especially with friends.

>>376913410
you said it was 150k last week and dropping 2 weeks ago

>>376913498
I fucking love this game but I hate these things.
>>376914403
Feels good
>>376915556
Literally does not matter. I would take featherfoot for ads/mechanics

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>get war
>spend five levels wondering why I'm so fucking mad all the time

Oh, that's pretty cool actually.

>North American servers shutting down in less than 15 hours for two days

wtf do I play then

>>376916208
>all
It is just one skill and it isn't party-wide, only the enmity you are generating. If anything, they are party damage's supports because Trick Attack is far more useful.

>>376917284
ffxv

the only one that doesnt have easter eggs in xiv

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>>376916170
>Can't afford a good mmo play f2p micro transaction shit.

Don't need your here need the rif raff out of my game.

>>376914772
Really wish that's going to be the case.

But I fear we're still stuck on the back burner...

>>376917284
I'll probably be playing tf2/csgo. Or doing something lewd on flist.

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>>376917461
What are you ppl talking about PLDS on the backburned you guys are the best single target tanks in game?

As a DRK i can say you guys have better mitigation then us and clemency.

>main healer
>do damage in trials and dungeons when I can
>play tank, runs go fucking slow because I'm scared to pull huge
>play DPS, runs go fucking slow because I'm just bad

Is he the only likable Lalafell in the entire game?
Nanamo, Lolorito and Teledji could be literally any other race and they wouldn't be as insufferable.

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>>376917821

I wanna get back into this game.

I left because I was a shitty tank, a horrible DPS and an OK healer.

How can I improve?

>>376917821

Krile is good. The Alphinaud bullying is top-notch.

>>376917821
Raubahn's adopted son, only likeable lala there is

>>376917821
Yes, [non-existent] is the only good potato.

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Why are astrologians the best at like everything.
We need serious nerfs no joke.

GAS

THE FUCKING

LALAS

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whats the max amount of skill speed i need on nin?

>>376917939
excellence is pure habit, it's practice that makes perfect

>>376917737
Same here brother with tanks im not scared to pull huge but how to pull like in baelsar wall if you pull too many mobs thats a wipe or that dungeon with the tonberrys hwere you have to pull big but avoid the huge tonberry. No guides add this shit in and nobody really records random dungeon runs as a tank so I just pull 2 packs. With DPS I was always bad at timers and ALL DPS have them it fucking sucks I hope either sam or rdm doesn't have to deal with this shit.

>>376917702

DIABOLOS 64

>>376917702
DRK has the same defensive toolkit, except more and better dps. It's really no contest outside of super niche scenarios where you get to utilize cover.

>>376918095
620 i think?
i don't play NIN so i'm probably wrong

>>376917821
>forgetting based Papashan

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>>376918192
I know i have a shitty rig :l

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>>376913265
>wow clone
>ideal MMO
Not in a million years.

>>376917702
In a game where everyone is gushing about pushing DPS as non-dps focused classes.

Yes, PLD have the best mitigation and utility, but the weakest DPS, which is annoyingly what people want the most, out of a fucking tank.

I hate the meta.

>>376918095
sks is shit, especially on ninja, so as low as possible

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>>376918095

>putting sksp on NIN

there really needs to be a ninja variant of this with him jamming a kunai into his head because I see this question way too fucking much

>>376918353
>PLD have the best mitigation and utility
Except they don't you dolt, besides HG.
PLD will literally run out of CDs tanking A12S, WAR and DRK will not.

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>24 man shatter as a WAR
>Some cunt AST with their shitty pet WAR are trying to cap our camp
>Get on the AST
>You use Fell Cleave.
>Critical! Cunt AST takes 5042 damage.
>You use Brutal Swing.
>You use Infuriate.
>You use Fell Cleave.
>Critical! Cunt AST takes 5107 damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJxl-0CMhm0

Man, feels good to play WAR.

what happened to the ffxivcensus website? it only shows a white screen now.

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>>376918245
>>376918353
I don't see that often most ppl and guilds wanna clear content if were doing farms like a1s usaully going with 1 tank anyways.

I swear think all you PLDs are going thru a midlife crisis when DRKS came out because reasons.

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>get urge to resub and level up Fisher after a year away for some goddamn reason
>tfw waiting for maintenance to finish before diving back in
Any word on whether they'll give us a tackle box or something? My inventory was a disgrace before and I'm not sure how much a bit more space will help.

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Going into SB as best race/gender and class.

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>>376913265
If this is the ideal MMORPG then maybe the human race should scrap the whole mmorpg idea and start over. That would be better.

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We had this talk about bad healers through these threads but I'd like to shout out bad tanks. Healer cleaving, 1 pull a minute goin,no CD using,aggro losing ,pulling bosses after buffs wear out fucking stupid fucks holy shit I don't want anymore penalties.

>>376918716
Nah, I play PLD because it doesn't fucking matter but it's still the truth.

>>376918353
PLD doesn't even have significantly higher mitigation than other tanks, and all of its utility is shit. It only has a slightly bigger physical mitigation than DRK, which cannot contend with DRK's near permanent 10-20% raid-wide damage reduction.

Ideally a mitigation-based tank should be durable enough that it it's practically fucking invincible, in addition to having several, reliable ways of mitigating raidwide damage, which in turn gives healers a much larger window where they aren't required to heal, which increases raidwide dps to compensate. But PLD only has slightly better self-mitigation and one mediocre raid-wide shield every 2 minutes, while DRK and WAR still have sufficient amounts of self-mitigation along with between 10% (WAR) and 20% (DRK) raidwide damage mitigation at nearly all times.

>>376918876
t. zero dps healer

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>>376918518
Except they do DID YOU FORGET THE PART WHEN YOUR THE ONLY TANK THAT CAN BLOCK PARRY AND FUCKING DODGE YOU DOLT

>>376917284
Holy shit it's going down for 2 days?! Do i at least get refunded 2 sub days or what?

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>>376917284
>Thinking about resubbing
>See this shit
Oh okay

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>>376917446
I like the guy running right up against the edge of the path

>>376919098
One day.

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>>376919115
Think of all the time you have to meditate on the pipe strip in the meantime.

>>376918740
We will get more inventory slots in 4.0 (+40 on main inventory and +10 on each armory page, and more eventually if the new servers aren't shit).

>>376919098
You get refunded 1.

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>>376918971
What are you talking about?
What raid wide protections do i have as a DRK?
Do you even know what your typing out?
Do you know that you have a shield and i dont?
Which means u mitigate alot more damage then i do with no cooldowns in general right?

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>>376919056
>accusing me for being a healslut

>>376918749
That's not a catboi MNK my dude

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>>376919221
Not enough time.

>>376918424
im just asking because i just wanted to be sure i needed some kind of base amount,i already know crit beats everything

>>376919315
guessing the reasoning there is everybody's going down for 1 day, NA is just going down for two because of the server move

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>>376919383
Fuck you I'm a good healsut and I dps all the goddamn time.

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>>376918825

>>376919348
>Reprisal reduces all damage by 10%
>Delirium reduces magical damage by 10% (The absolute majority of damage that his anyone but the mt is magical)
>not raidwide protection

One shitty shield every 2 minutes does not measure up to near-constant Reprisal/Delirium.

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>>376919181
Just noticed that lol

>>376918749
thats not a catgirl paladin so... no you're not

>>376918318
funfact: vanilla WoW was a casual Everquest clone

why do people on balmung like oviposition so much
it's fucked up

>>376918825
>(((harlan ellison)))

please do not post such things in this thread again

I've been thinking of playing this is the new expansion any good?

>>376919409
hey, what gender/race would your catboy like....

>>376919814
>(((You)))
fuck off fag

>>376919852
the new expansion comes out in a month

I really want to like XIV; It's gorgeous, has a fantastic sense of presentation, awesome soundtrack and a huge variety when it comes to boss fights

But the moment to moment gameplay, non-interesting class variety, extremely repetitive progression and almost complete lack of what makes an MMO an MMO just totally ruins it

It's a shame because there's no other modern MMO out there that gets either of those things right, so at least XIV gets half? But still

>>376913265
>this is the ideal MMO
>forced to do every content patch leading up to an expansion before you can actually play the expansion

Yeah no

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>>376919597
Reprisal has a 30second cd which is locked behind a parry wall u can force it with dark dance thats two cd's for a 10% d.reduction.

Also it never procs when it needs to, when i gotta avoid a tankbuster. And again if i want to force it i have to drop another cd.

Yeah i agree DRKS are way better magic tanks period but you say that like there aren't many heavy physical bosses either.

>>376919789
what's oviposition?

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Anyone on Primal want to queue frontline with me?

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>>376920014

>>376919971
what makes an MMO an MMO?

>>376919987
There isn't a single boss in this game where PLD is a better choice than DRK. It doesn't matter if they're physical or not.

>>376920014
they erp getting eggys laid in them/laying eggys in people/getting egged by bugs

>>376919610
Sonic

B O O M
O
O
M

>>376920157

Boss 180 in potd is better as a PLD than a DRK because HG is more reliable for the meteor check

>>376920157
paladin is cuter therefore brings more to the raid than drk 100% of the time. this is indisputable

>>376920196
How do c@s lay eggs?

>>376919981
>waaah why do I have to play a Online JRPG to access the story relevent content

>>376914571
The reason is that FFXIV has 1.5 sec GCD, which automatically makes the game feel slower.

>>376920331
with the powers of a disgusting imagination. they should be put to death, honestly

>>376919894
Au Ra or Miqo'te (girl)

>>376920157
I remember Paladin being better than Dark Knight for Ravana EX at Heavensward launch. DRK was too squishy to tank the blows due to the STR meta meme and Cover+HG cheesed the double prey mechanic entirely.

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>>376920157
>>376920157
What is a10s?
I'm starting to believe either you do not play a PLD or you have played very little of the content.

>>376918056
>implying it'll happen now
Shame too, but the xiv team is bad at balancing, hopefully other jobs are just brought up to par to compensate - especially the DPS jobs, MCH and BRD should be the ones who score the least DPS, they shouldn't be overtaking melee and casters.

One week until combat info

>>376920439
Girl(girl) or boy(girl)?

What are the chances that the developers give us more than 2 dungeons every patch and one raid tier every second patch?

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>>376919579
If I had a vagina, it would have been a little waterfall of lust at that moment.

>>376913410
Compared to what, WoW?

You're a nigger.

>>376920407
WoW is the one with the 1.5s GCD. FFXIV is 1 second longer so controllers can be viable.

>>376920154

It's a bit of a nebulous questions, but I guess when I think of an MMO, I think of necessary long term community interaction. I think of open community activities that have interesting effects/consequences on the game world (Odin was a good start but it's not nearly enough and didn't go as far as I'd like), and content that involves mass interaction with others instead of a reliance on instanced everything (instanced content is fine and allows us to have all of those awesome boss fights, but there's no balance to the types of content in XIV at all)

But I'm sure other people see MMO's differently

>>376920639
who asked you, faggot

>>376920485
No, the reason DRK wasn't great for Ravana early on is that Living Dead was bugged because it was impossible to cleanse the debuff during Prey. It wasn't squishy, PLD doesn't mitigate physical fights much better than DRK and DRK offered more damage.

>>376920531
A fight where tanks don't take a huge amount of damage and most of the aoes are magical? A fight where Sheltron is trash because the tankbuster is split into multiple parts?

>>376920653
>Non-comparative parameters: a number and a trend of that number
>COMPARED TO WHAT HUH? COMPARED TO WHAT
Aren't you the nigger here?

>>376919987
>you say that like there aren't many heavy physical bosses either
That's exactly the point, there fucking aren't. You can count the number of important physical-focused bosses on one hand. 99% of all attacks in this game that hit anyone else than the main tank deals magical damage. And don't pretend physical/magical damage matters for tank damage, if we're talking strictly tankbusters then all it changes is whether or not a tankbuster will take away 30% or 35% of your max health. Auto-attack damage is a joke and is only ever a problem if the healer dies, regardless of what tank we're talking about.

>>376920609

0

>>376920364
There you go, defending shitty game design again

Please tell Me what is story relevant about fighting king moggle. Tell me how this directly correlates to heavensward in a meaningful way

Not even WoW does this shit. Inb4 you try and tell me WoW isn't story driven

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>>376920759
Compared to what, nigger?

>>376920750
>because the tankbuster is split into multiple parts?

>QUICK! How we make Bulwark more useful?
>Just split the tankbuster bro!
>this cucked the Sheltron
>Bulwark is still not 100% block either
>meanwhile RAW INTUITION

>>376920835
WoW is low polygon driven, blizzbabby.

>>376920750
DRK offered more damage but you had to heal their asses more often which means less healer DPS. DRK has nothing like shelltron so you're entirely reliant on parry after you exhausted your cooldowns. Remember that at item level 180 everything hit harder especially when every tank was gearing up strength over vitality.

h2c i270 gear

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>>376920750
Most of the aoe is physical except the blizzard gun stuff.......

Yep you don't know anything about anything.

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>400+ quests locked out of cooperation with friends
>slugging through effectively the same thing as radiant quests for beastmen in real time gated content
>repeating the same dungeons ad infinitum because it's literally the only way to efficiently level and without levels you can do jack shit
>inane, forgettable crafting
>horrible writting and unlikeable main cast
>lol so randumb XD events
>rotation-based cancer gameplay
>level-locked/expansion locked classes for no particular reason
>said expansions are locked past those +400 solo-forced railed quests
>most of those quests are outdated and unchallenging
>forced to do them anyways

I can't believe I played this piece of shit all the way to the end of its first expansion without killing myself.
It was effectively the most dissatisfying experience I've had in an MMO in decades.
Not only is the community garbage, but the progression is just as flat and boring as it can humanly get.
So much wasted potential it hurts my brain to just think back on it.

>>376920835
>Please tell Me what is story relevant about fighting king moggle
You're a member of a group that wants to stop primals, and you're the one that's best at it because of the echo and Hydalen's blessing. Pretty much all of ARR's story revolved around primals in some way: Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, and even stopping the Garleans using primal powers through Ultima. Everything else is the sidestory.

>>376920835
>waaaaah i actually have to play the game

>People arguing about class balance in a game with no relevant PvP, and PvE classes so simplified that anyone can do anything outside of the fringe .01% of players who go for day one progression

Why

>>376920531
>using a baby's first raid fight like a10s as an example
not even in a7s, a fight that had high physical damage and you could completely cheese uplander doom stacks, helped to secure paladin's spot

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>>376921193
>hours of cutscenes and clicking on hostpots registers as "playing"

>>376920596
either one is fine desu

>>376921218
Autism.

>>376921193
>this guy is actually bringing up good points on why this game design is shit
>I have no retort so I'll just shit post

Off yourself fag

>>376921034
You really don't understand how close DRK's cooldowns were to PLD's if you think DRK required more healing. Yeah, everything hit harder because of STR accessories, but guess what? PLD used STR accessories too, PLD didn't have 20k HP while DRK had 16k.

>>376921072
The aoe that literally no one should get hit by? I see, I'm getting baited.

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>>376920835
>Moggle Mog was not previously considered a primal
>somehow moogles were capable of summoning him anyway
>this gives scions a revelation that primals aren't just patron deities that the beast-tribe summons, but physical manifestation of people's faith made manifest with aether
>realize that anything can become a primal given if there is enough faith in it and there is sufficient aether
>not only does this knowledge explain how Ysayle managed to summon "Shiva" into herself, but also explains how the archbishop managed to become the living incarnation of King Thordan along with the Heavens' Ward

>lol how is this story related

You are an extra special sort of dumb.

>>376921314
>Good points
LMAO

>>376921193
Square Enix Post game quest design in a nutshell:

DUDE GO TO MINFILLA
GO TP TO GRIDANIA
OK NOW LIMSA
OK BACK TO GRIDANIA
OK NOW ULDAN
OK LIMSA
OK NOW GO TALK TO A GUY 2 FEET AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL QUEST GIVER TO END THE QUEST LOL

>>376921378
The real issue is that the Thornmarch quest is preceeded by half an hour of running around listening to Scions wanking themselves off

>>376920835
>how is king moogle relevant in a ff game

kek

>>376921506
I'd like to see Y'shtola wank herself off.

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>>376921323
So the boss hits you with physical damage you mentioned aoe in your chat.

>>376921506
I'll not debate that. The problem isn't that you're forced to sit through the story in a story-focused MMO, the problem is the story is paced out with far too much filler.

>>376921570
Oh man wouldn't we all. Her new english voice does weird things to me

>>376920835
he's like one of the best bosses senpai
careful with those adds senpai

>>376921378
OK now tie it in to the little potato bitch being assassinated and us being exiled to ishgard

What I just got from the moggle "story" was exposition kek

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>>376913265
>this is the ideal MMORPG
>you might not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like
>peak performance

>>376921472
>waaaaaah i actually have to play the game

>>376921624
Thats what I'm fucking talking about you absolute fucking mongoloids. I'm not mad I have to play through the story, I'm mad there's literally 15 quests of retarded filler shit before I feel like I've even advanced the story. That's the fucking problem with the game, that and the story isn't even good enough to begin with to deal with that shit

DUDE EVIL EMPIRES AND MACGUFFINS LMAO

>>376921624
>The problem isn't that you're forced to sit through the story in a story-focused MMO
Actually that is also a problem.
An MMO shouldn't have you spend your first 100 hours being literally unable to progress with others because of a hundred solo instances and hours upon hours of inane cutscenes.

A story-focused MMO as normies understand it is a disastrous idea because it means making this MMO as single-player driven as possible. But alright, I guess requiring you to group up to level is just too much for the modern gamer, fine. But give fucking options for fuck's sake. Even in 1.0 you could level with others.

>>376919789
i want yoshi to nuke balmung

>>376921793

I mean he's not wrong. Everything in XIV outside of boss fights is garbage. 100% unmitigated dull-as-dishwater filler

I'd be surprised if there was a single person who, outside of the actual plot, enjoyed trudging through the story content

>Teledji gets split in half
>dies immediately

He's supposed to live for a couple of minutes before dying of excessive bleeding and losing half of his body isn't he?

>>376919675
funfact: WoW is nothing at all comparable to Everquest besides the fact that it has an action bar.

EQ required groups to level.
EQ took years to reach max level and end game was not the focus.
EQ had penalties for death.
EQ relied on player interaction for travel, questing, leveling, etc.

Saying "vanilla WoW was a casual Everquest clone" is like saying John Madden 2017 is a Dark Souls clone because you press buttons to perform actions.

Why won't xhagi erp with me?

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rejoice ameribros, we just need to endure yuros for 12 more hours before they need to transfer back to their mud server

>>376920750
>DRK wasn't squishy at launch
>most DRK players put their attributes into STR since it was still before the VIT buff.

>>376922229
>most DRK players put their attributes into STR since it was still before the VIT buff.
Just like every PLD and WAR. If DRK was squishy, so were they.

>>376922117
you are playing a video game

>>376922229
The other two tank jobs did as well because STR meme.

>>376921323
>You really don't understand how close DRK's cooldowns were to PLD's if you think DRK required more healing.
Seems like you don't. I did the actual fight at back in July 2015 as PLD and DRK. PLD was clearly superior as the main tank. 40% damage reduction cooldown, bulwark, shelltron, and prey cover shit all over DRKs 30% reduction, parry, and RNG reprisal. Not to mention at the time stance dancing as a DRK was extremely clunky due to losing your weaponskill combo after doing so and being a Yuropoor playing on Canadian servers.

>>376922119
Sounds like WoW is a casualized version of EQ from what you just told me

>>376922229
people were shit back then, they needed to adjust to the new lv 60 values

>>376922117
>completely sever someone's spinal cord
>they live on for several minutes
Hmmmmm?

>>376922117
The shock could have also gave him a heart attack.

I'd like to shitpost FFXIV 2ch thread, Especially the Tonberry thread. Tell me is google translate good enough for the job?

>>376913410
>1 months before expansion
This is the deadest period in any MMO, ever

Not close enough to expac launch for people to sub, but just far enough that the content has dried up.

I started my sub again so I can finish up the MSQ and play Stormblood on release.
How far do I need to get? I just killed Nidhogg for the second time (On Heroes of the Hour now).

Is there anything else I should do before Stormblood drops? Should I unlock all the dungeons and their hard modes? (How do I even do that?)

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>>376922216
>>376922216
>tfw the wait will be worth it

>>376922449
>implying those tiny ass potatoes even have spines

>>376922484
How do you even find their threads?
2ch is such a fucking mess.

>>376922419
And Madden 2017 is a casualized version of Dark Souls dude :^)

>>376914664
Final Fantasy XIV has better atmosphere, WoW has a better gameplay

>>376922603
Google.

>>376922449
>spinal cord is what determines whether you live or die

Uhhhh

>>376922484
Google translate is probably going to be shit at translating your posts properly, which makes it ideal for shitposting.

>>376922119
>WoW made it easy to solo quests unless you were a healer
>WoW took 2-3 months to reach the level cap depending on spec
>WoWs death penalty was extemely lax compared to EQ and FFXI where you could delevel
>WoWs interaction was merely "LFG X dungeon plz inv" or "pls kill this Tauren he keeps camping my corpse" unless you were into progression raiding

When's the right time to eat my fairy? I just got SCH's quest done after having completely ignored it for way too long and I don't quite get when it makes sense to get rid of the extra utility from the fairy for a stat buff, especially not being able to swiftcast it back

>>376913410
500k~1kk

second biggest MMORPG

>>376922379
People were bad at DRK back at HW release. Lots of people, including me, thought PLD was better but that was proven wrong when Savage was released. You want a better example than Ravana? A3S. All the tank damage was physical and Living Liquid hit harder than Ravana, but DRK was still clearly the better choice and could take the hits just fine.

>>376922772
When you try to get a big adlo screenshot

>>376922772
almost never

>>376922516
you're pretty close to the end

also most dungeon unlocks are from a quest so picking up any quest bubbles with a plus on them should clear it out. if you've got nothing else to do it's worth having the roulettes available for extra tomes

>>376922837
according to the last unofficial census from march 13th there are around 560k active players

>>376922513
seems like the opposite on Exodus. tons of new players are joining or rejoining because of the unlimited trial and are trying to catch up to Heavensward or Stormblood.

I could imagine it being dead or slow on a locked server like Gilgamesh though. New players can't get in so you're mostly left with old jaded veterans who are already burned out or planning on unsubbing

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kubzIXkJhD4
>You will never have this fun while raiding because you're an asocial cunt

>>376923219
>fun at being bad and enjoying wasting time
are you 12 btw

>>376923159
People usually dislike those videos for other reasons, it's not uncommon for raiding to have laughter, fun, and bonding moments. PotD is kinda like that for me now, really intense content with high stakes and reliance on your party members.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW0EriuRzlg

>>376921793
To be honest, 2.1-2.5 had way too much filler and teleports, because you are supposed to deal with multiple story arcs in different city-states in a single questline.
The quality of MSQs skyrocketed in 3.0 (though it mostly shows how awful it eas before, not how great stuff is now), at cost of having far shorter arcs (and important characters dying in sidequests, RIP Regula).

>>376923306
I don't think I have ever laugh while raiding.
Not even in prog.
Doesn't matter if you wipe if you have actual fun.

>>376923219
My form of FUN is clearing content and not wasting time. These cucks can go prep their bulls for all I care.

>>376920729
WoW has 1 second GCD which can be reduced to 0.5 by secondary stat haste, so it does feel faster.

>>376923438
pretty much what >>376923539 said
being terrible at the game is not something i envy from them

>>376922769
thats pretty slow leveling in wow I can do it in 4 days and thats casual leveling for me

>>376923219
>"""""""SOCIAL"""""
>""""""""""""raiding"""""""""
>FC

>>376920729
wrong
you do input abilites and skills faster than you do in wow

>>376923539
>>376923619
I mean, yeah sure, having the stuff in farm while laughing and joking around on vocal chat with your static/FC is also something I envy.
But sadly it's not something I will ever do.

>>376923716
Factually wrong.
APM in XIV just doesn't compare. Sorry. Even on classes such as MCH and SMN once you're done with burst phase it's back to falling asleep.

>>376923765
then stop being so pathetic and find a static

>>376923765
You can always GIT GUD and stop being shit and y'know, clear the actual content.

Also, fuck vocal chat on a11s because you KNOW some asshole's gonna fuck up a limit cut.

>90% of all boss fight arenas in the game are circular battlefields.

>no build diversity between each class means that everybody plays the same as you no matter what.

>bland itemization, no sense of accomplishment when getting a new piece of gear. Nothing to acquire to activate your almonds with. All gear is literally the same as the last but with higher stat numbers. Except they move the locations of gear around on you sometimes. Sometimes its tomes gear and sometimes its raid gear that is best in a particular slot.

>No sense of progression. Every time a new tier of raids comes out they give people welfare gear to get caught up. You can literally quit this game for over a year or more and get caught up in less than 2 weeks.

>4 new raids every 6 months

>The people that designed female models in the game are allergic to asses. They literally didn't even put a curve where the ass is supposed to be. Literally FF13-3 Lightning asses for everybody.

>No real long term goals to aim for that meaningfully progresses your character to set you apart from other players.

>The only thing gil is good for is buying houses and melding lolraidgear.

FF14 is gay and you're gay if you play FF14.

>>376920729
u wot

The GCD has nothing to do with playing on a pad

>>376923219
I like their videos. They sound like they're having a good time.
I want that, but I don't want to use a mic. It makes my throat hurt and I don't like people knowing what I sound like.

>>376922961
Great thanks. Is that how you unlock the roulettes? Doing the dungeon quests?

>>376923804
you still use alot of ogcd's after the opener on most classes
the only dps i can think of that's very slow is BLM

>>376923589
Most spells in WoW have a base GCD of 1.5s but some classes have 1 second (DK unholy presence).

FFXIV base is 2.5s GCD. Some classes are even lower (NIN Mudra is 0.5s per mudra symbol, MNK chakra is 1.2s). GCD can be lowered with the WoW equivalent of haste which is skill/spellspeed.

>>376920729
>FFXIV is 1 second longer so controllers can be viable
FFXIV is 1 second longer because of shit netcode, not because of gamepads. Despite minimal possible GCD being 1.5, the game doesn't actually communicate actions with the server more frequently than once ever 2 seconds.

specs feel bloated and samey and then thers le meme tick rate.

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>NA and Yurop cucks are STILL stuck with 'static onry' retardation for raid progression and farm

>>376924009
wrong, see above post.

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>>376923881
i'm super gay and only play for pic related
what are you going to do about it, force me to suck you dry?

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>Forgot to cancel your sub

>>376913265

can you still play this on a controller?

I enjoyed it before the expansions because it had an intuitive controller scheme. I worry that there's too many abilities to fit on a controller now.

>>376924143
but i love my static, we clear fast and i don't have to suffer with shitters

>>376924209
yes

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>>376924041
>specs feel bloaty
Literally get gud

>>376924209
playing this with a gamepad is all preference
yes it's fine to play with a gamepad

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>>376913410
>numbers and facts that are pulled from dumb frogposter ass

See you at expansion, dumbass.

>>376924152
>wrong XD
No, it's not.
That's how BLM exploit was possible.
Also if you reach huge amounts of skill speed on MNK (with AST and SCH) you'll be able to input moves faster than the server can return you forms which means you can use every combo action twice in a row. XIV netcode is shit and the whole reason the game is slow. The end.

>>376923972
you unlock the roulettes by clearing every dungeon in them once, and given that there are a million level 50 dungeons it should be enough to cap you on tomes and then some from the first time bonus

so you could get yourself a full set of 50 and 60 gear for one of the new classes if you wanted to

>>376924396
>XIV netcode is shit and the whole reason the game is slow
Do you have a single fact to back that statement up?

Genuinely curious. Show me wireshark dumps.

>>376924396
>the game doesn't actually communicate actions with the server more frequently than once ever 2 seconds.
Ninja mudras already prove you wrong with 0.5s recast time, the end.

>>376924396
That's actually changed now, they're calculating more client-side to prevent those kind of shenanigans. Doesn't fix DoTs having to stick on a target for a sec before using Bane though which will always piss me off

>>376920729
You could easily play WoW on a controller, especially considering most classes have a 3-5 button rotation where all but one of them should be used on cooldown/when they proc/when you have enough resources, then the last one is spammed as filler.

>>376924498
Sounds legit. Thanks

>>376924291
Interesting. What's the reason for blizzard on 2 and physick on Q?

>>376924041
>>376924009
The combat feels a little slow sometimes, but it's because of the shitty tickrate, not the GCD. The server simply does not update often enough, and that's why you still get hit by an AoE if you got out of it at the last moment.

I like the game a lot and I've played it since ARR beta, but it feels clunky to play because of this and it needs to be addressed.

>>376924291
Why is Blizzard 1 even on your bar. Same question for Blizzard 2.

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>>376924647
>most classes have a 3-5 button rotation
No they don't. If you used a XIV-like control scheme you'd still need two palettes for almost every spec in the game. Except for like... I dunno, boomkin maybe.

>>376921781
>OK now tie it in to the little potato bitch being assassinated and us being exiled to ishgard
Gee, it's almost as if non-autistic people are capable of understanding the concept of fucking multiple plot lines.

Uncanny!

>>376921781
Fuck me, even by shitposting standards you're a fucking retard.

>>376924757
getting out of AOE markers is almost client side only now
if you are in the aoe and the cast finishes on your client you get hit, don't bother looking at the animation, it's only the castbar that matters
you can see alot of people complaining about tail end in zurvan ex where the animation is extremely misleading and people think they got out before that cast ended

>>376924757
>that's why you still get hit by an AoE if you got out of it at the last moment.
if your foot was caught in the circle as it disappears, you could be a 50yalms away from the strike zone and still get hit by the attack. That's how AoE hit registration works. Nothing to do with netcode. As a melee player you would come to appreciate the design choice due to how many positionals you have to do. You can move out of the circle, it disappears, then immediately shoulder tackle in to keep up your greased lightning 3. Your character appears to be ingulfed in flames but you take 0 damage

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>>376913265

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>>376925178

>>376924000
>FFXIV base is 2.5s GCD

Right, so that's why it feels so much slower then.

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I haven't played since 1.0 and have literally done nothing but MSQ, PotD, and Dun Scaith for the past week. I actually have no idea what to do outside of this, and 80% of the game feels like a complete mystery to me. I know this is a stupid question, but what the hell should I be doing with my time once I'm capped on tomes for the week?

>>376925178
>tfw no albert loin to thirst after

>>376925394
>what the hell should I be doing with my time once I'm capped on tomes for the week?
>He fell for the XIV meme

Nothing. You do nothing.

>>376925321
Alisaie is a hot head.

>>376925591
>>376925591
>>376925591
>>376925591

>>376915556
Mantra so people can see you went through the effort of leveling it and maybe give you comms

>>376925394
gear up and do creator savage

>>376925348
ffxiv slower if you don't have any ogcd's but if you do have some to use it plays faster than wow
but most of the time during your rotation you won't really use alot of ogcd's

>>376924760
>>376924672
level sync content and PVP. blizzard is severely underrated in PVP, it's a 40% slow effect with a 2s cast time.

>>376924760
not him, but blizz 1 gets used rarely when you need to fill time between blizz 3 and 4 and thunder isn't the best option due to low mob hp or you just used a cloud proc. it gets used a fair bit in 50 syncd stuff.

blizz 2 is trash so idunno what the deal with that is

>>376924330
>thumbnail
You
Nigger

>>376923881
this desu

Despite this game being the "best" MMO on the market they sure as fuck aren't pushing the genre forward at all. The game is all so incredibly basic.

>>376925394
Level your crafters boi.

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>>376925662
>playing blm in pvp

>>376925591
Alisaie makes my other head hot

>>376925394
do DoL/DoH, level up your retainers, do adventurer squadrons and maybe level up and alt job to prepare for stormblood
not really too much to do right now since it's the end of the expansion, but you could try some savage content

>>376925834
how

>>376924936
That's been my experience with 110 Brewmaster/Windwalker Monk, 110 Arms Warrior, 90 Retribution Paladin, leveling Fire Mage to 60, and trying out a few others in the level 100 trial thing. Legion was my first experience with WoW and I dropped it because everything I tried felt pretty similar after all the pruning Blizzard has done. Maybe it was better in the past, but current WoW definitely isn't harder or more interesting to play than XIV.

>>376925910
you should unlock the moogle beast tribes in churning mists for easy crafter experience from 50-60
also do turnins for alot of experience too even though it can be a bit expensive sometimes

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>>376923881
y-yeah b-but it might get good at some point

Tonberry is shit as always. And now it's even worse because of the Ausshit cucks are coming back in a drove for Stormblood.

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>>376913265
>>376923219

>most anons suffer through bad pug groups
>meanwhile, back when a9 was the top content, people were doing stuff like this

I miss those days, but here's to hoping SB fixes the dumbass Alexander shit, and we can have days like this again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un1G9Zx4cu8

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How do I get good at {White mage}?

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>>376926234
>the wowfugee invasion will begin soon
>literal shitters will complain about everything, skip everything, get to endgame then complain they have nothing to do before fucking off back to whence they came (for a few weeks until the raid drops)

>>376926386
people still do 1tank 1heal on some content

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>So you wanna take a daily quest from me?
>Alright lemme just put my fishing rod away, turn around, wave my hands around, talk some shit, turn around again and take my fishing road out again
>Oh you need info on the second quest too?
>Alright lemme just put my fishing rod away, turn around, wave my hands around, talk some shit, turn around again and take my fishing road out again
>Third times the charm amirite?
>Alright lemme just put my fishing rod away, turn around, wave my hands around, talk some shit, turn around again and take my fishing road out again

>Oh you're here to turn in the quests?
>Alright lemme just put my fishing rod away, turn around, wave my hands around, talk some shit, turn around again and take my fishing road out again
>Too bad you can't turn them all in at the same time :^)
>lemme just put my fishing rod away, turn around, wave my hands around, talk some shit, turn around again and take my fishing road out again

>>376925929
It's more interesting because it has stuff to do.
I'd kill for SE to straight up steal Mythic+ because it makes dungeons interesting and rewarding to run.
Raids are bigger and just as difficult as Savage on mythic.
However you feel about AP, the way they did the whole artifact thing is in every other respect better than relics ever were.
PVP is not completely fucking dead.
There's little events all the time and not just once every couple months that spice up the game.
Open world is relevant because of world quests.

>>376923881
>90% of all boss fight arenas in the game are circular battlefields
As opposed to them being in fucking oblong arenas. You're not even going to be using most of the cunting thing in the actual mechanics anyway.
>no build diversity between each class means that everybody plays the same as you no matter what
You clearly haven't seen how 'everybody' plays this game then. Actually knowing what to do is like playing an entirely different class to the retards
>bland itemization, no sense of accomplishment when getting a new piece of gear. Nothing to acquire to activate your almonds with. All gear is literally the same as the last but with higher stat numbers. Except they move the locations of gear around on you sometimes. Sometimes its tomes gear and sometimes its raid gear that is best in a particular slot
This is true and a legitimate complaint. Although in 90% of MMOs that tout 'varied itemization' the playerbase is just going to discover the BiS itemization and dogpile on it, so you're back to square one. It doesn't make it okay, but it's not easy to actually solve
>No sense of progression. Every time a new tier of raids comes out they give people welfare gear to get caught up. You can literally quit this game for over a year or more and get caught up in less than 2 weeks
If your only sense of 'progression' is from fucking item levels, then that says a lot more about you than the game.
>4 new raids every 6 months
Beats WoWs 'new raid every 12-14 months because oops Cata/MoP/WoD content drought'.
>The people that designed female models in the game are allergic to asses. They literally didn't even put a curve where the ass is supposed to be. Literally FF13-3 Lightning asses for everybody
This is literally autistic. You are quickly becoming /vg/-tier
>No real long term goals to aim for that meaningfully progresses your character to set you apart from other players.
This is just your earlier points reworded
>FF14 is gay and you're gay if you play FF14.
no u

>>376926386
Solo tanking was literal cancer that should never have been allowed after T2.

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>>376926506
They do, but not nearly as fun. Most demand a beyond required ilvl, expecting perfect runs, or else they leave after a single person goofs.

Hell, Zurv is cancer due to this. We'd get runs where no one would die and we'd kill it, but people leave as 'it wasn't fast enough' or some dumb shit.

>>376926550
>Playing a game literally designed to waste your time
>Get mad when it wastes your time

>>376926710
You goddamn shills will defend anything huh

>>376914772
I hope not. I don't want my main being fotm

>>376926553
world quests in WoW are just about as relevant as s rank hunts in FFXIV. You and other chucklefucks mash buttons out in the open field just to get a disappointing reward

>>376926780
Welcome to 4chan, home of weebs, trap fuckers and Trump.

>>376913410
Still more players than WoW. Good luck trying to disprove me faggot.

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>>376924936

>>376927236
>Cherry picking

>>376927438
>ass licking

>>376927236
I never really played hunter but I'm sure it's bullshit. Plus, as an MCH main I can tell you right now that MCH skillset is bloated as fuck.

>>376927438
keep in mind most dps jobs have the same amount of abilities as mch to use

>>376926494
I'm fairly sure that Blizzard is planning to release some big update for WoW during SB's release, they always do that.

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genetically engineered catgirls when?

>>376927785
they better do, i don't want more wowfugees

>>376927785
The only thing Blizzard has planned is another mini event and some cash shop additions. 7.3 won't be due until August at the earliest.

>>376927438
As a WAR, only 1 of my 32 total skills (including crossclass skills) doesn't get used often.

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>>376927236
I haven't played WoW in years, holy shit is it dumbed down.

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>>376927860
>H-hi Anon, w-would you like to play me?

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>>376927860
>final dungeon for Trials of the Braves
>Brayflox Hard
>big bomb blows up everyone except tank, who kills boss
>no credit for kill
>have to do it again

>>376927516
>green moose, guava juice

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>>376928087
go away mithra, I only enjoy generic anime catgirls these days.

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>all these pathetic Blizzardrones itt

>>376928174
>dying in Brayflox HM
Jesus fucking christ anon

>>376926494
It'already did anon, one of the reason why ffxi/v/ is constantly filled with fags moaning everyday. There are atleast 5 max thread per day

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>>376928087
They were cute in a strange way.

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yfw the new raid will be cleared in 2 days.

>>376919089
You are a fucking moron.

>>376928297
its depressing for me too. I had forgotten that shit could even go that bad in DF

>Stormblood releasing in the summer
>All the kiddies will be out of school on break
>WoWrefugees will be migrating in mass numbers

Can't tell whether Square Enix is dumb or smart for this decision

>>376926457
Dot up and spam holy/rocks,don't be afraid to use CDs especially benediction. Manage MP with shroud too. Stone skin on tank as the pull is ending so you have time to dps the next set of mobs. This is what I got so far playing WHM. Much more reactionary than the other healers but the heals make up for it in leveling content.

>>376926575

>This is just your earlier points reworded

There is a difference between progression and long term goals. Like how ffxi relics used to be optional but if you worked for one a long ass time they could set you apart from others.

>Beats WoWs 'new raid every 12-14 months because oops Cata/MoP/WoD content drought'.

I guess? Its still really fucking shitty though considering how fast people clear that shit. Not to mention the weekly lockouts they like to put on shit to make content last longer. I always found it pretty fucking retarded that they would make a game where you can level all the jobs but they want to put lockouts on everything so you can't gear everything too.

>You clearly haven't seen how 'everybody' plays this game then. Actually knowing what to do is like playing an entirely different class to the retards

It still doesn't change the point I was trying to make. People have always been shit, its really no surprise when the game doesn't (((((challenge))))) you to play it properly until whatever the very latest content cycle is.

>As opposed to them being in fucking oblong arenas. You're not even going to be using most of the cunting thing in the actual mechanics anyway.

Doesn't change the fact that its just more samey lame bullshit.

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>>376924330
Damn ants.

>>376919987
Its not a bad thing to admit you're retarded.

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>>376926494
>that WoWfugeefag who complains about the races in XIV endlessly and how WoW races are better in FC chat
>leader asks him what he played in WoW
>male worgen
>xXfaggotXx has been removed from the free company
>"fucking furry"

>>376928387
i really doubt it but something inside me is telling me that's going to happen
however yoshi said himself that he wanted to create harder content

>>376928568
not his fault he had great taste

>>376928694
>worgen
>great taste
L
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>>376927962
They released a raid patch a month ago but are holding on for actually releasing the raid till the same week Stormblood releases.

>>376928462
>I always found it pretty fucking retarded that they would make a game where you can level all the jobs but they want to put lockouts on everything so you can't gear everything too.
Crafted gear is more than enough to gear up alt jobs.

>>376928832
>YoshiP saves XIV and makes WoW better at the same time

>>376928927
he's right though
they should have separate weekly limitations for every job
and crafted gear is really expensive
i really need to level up crafters before stormblood

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For FFXIV to become better, it needs a few things

>the levels need to be bigger and have more content density. Im fucking looking at you coerthas
>square needs to stop being cheap and invest in better servers so we can have a faster GCD and a less clunky battle system. There is no reason to have a game this sluggish in 2017 except to save money
>allow us to customize classes. In fact, make classes actually more fun, too. Add more procs, as well. And don't put procs on fucking cd. Stupidest shit in the world. The server issue would fix 60% of the combat problems overnight.

Why do people complain about the GCD of a game famous for being in a series known for slow turned based combat for 20+ years

>>376926575
>You are quickly becoming /vg/-tier
these threads are as autistic as /vg/ threads, worst would say.

>>376929442
Because we're not on dialup 56K and PS2 anymore.

>>376929442
Ummm because combat can't be good if you're not spamming a button every half second? Duh. Play a real game like WoW :)

Why would people buy Stormblood at release? You know they're going to take another vacation.

>>376929509
correct. the 2.5s GCD we have now is vastly superior to the 10s GCD and menu shuffling we had on FFXI on PS2

>>376929525
i know this is bait
but during openers you press buttons faster than you do in wow

>>376929442
>>376929525
I know you guys are too blind to realize good gameplay when you are sucking on Square's tit, but it's really a slow ass game. It's not only the speed at which combat goes, but it's very clunky, too. The frequency that the game reads inputs and the sheer amount of bandwidth alone is embarassing to modern mmo standards.

>>376929551
They're not, because they know people won't accept that this time.

>>376929313
That's not how you greentext you fucking WoW reddit baby.

>>376929632
And yet it still is the slowest mmo gcd right now while all the other mmos, including the shitty korean mmos, have 1.5 and less. Whats the excuse now?

>>376929696
>The frequency that the game reads inputs
The fuck are you talking about? Are you trying to do your fucking rotation in macros like a typical WoWshitter?

>>376929442
It's all WoW babbies. Yes, even the ones who claim to have never played WoW, they're simply lying.

>>376929712
>Thinking SE gives a shit what people will accept

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If I'm level 28 now, would spamming PotD be the most efficient way for me to level? Is there a point I should start doing PotD instead? Is there a point I should stop doing PotD?

>>376929696
what MMO reads hotbar inputs faster than 0.5s?

>>376929635
too bad openers arent the entire combat. Cause we know what happens to all those ogcd skills: they go on long cds and buffs only last for 10 to 15 seconds, as if Square is saying

>time to stop having fun. Now do this rotation for the next minute or so while you wait =)