Why 8 cores and only 2GHz?

>>376906326
8*2 = 16
4*3.2 = 12.8

as you can see,
because it's slower

>>376906515
but the PS4 CPU is quite slow

>>376906326
>Sony
I'm a Sony bro but there has to be some sort of switcheroo going on with their hardware. Much like how their WiFi and networking hardware is always guaranteed shit, no matter what claim it is.

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>>376906326
Because AMD logic + a weaker, older CPUs is cheaper than a stronger & newer.

>>376906515
Do people seriously STILL believe this shit? That's some 2006-tier superstition right there.

No, the single-core performance is A LOT more important than number of cores. A 3Ghz dual-core BTFO of 1.5Ghz 4-core.

>>376906625
Mike Cerny told back in 2013 that developers wanted 8 cores

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIjE2PJrfXQ

>>376906625
>A 3Ghz dual-core BTFO of 1.5Ghz 4-core.
3*2 = 6
1.5*4 = 6

they are the same if it's running at full potential.
But since u won't be running it's full speed all the time, of course the 3Ghz dual-core will BTFO 1.5Ghz 4-core at smaller tasks.

>>376906808
...literal who?
And those "developers" clearly don't know what they want, or wanted desktop-Intel tier 8 cores.

The PS3's 6-core Cell processor sounded revolutionary back in 06, but its arcitecture made it a pain in the ass to design games for and utilize.

>>376907031
Just stop that shit. It literally does not work like that.

8 weak cores require less power than 16 strong cores would.

>>376907031

>You browse this board with people this retarded

Jesus hang yourself

Because they fell for the AMD meme.
Also they banked on highly multi-threaded applications, minimal resources overhead, and low CPU requirements overall.
Unfortunately they forgot that a lot of game developers are shit at programming or outsource it to shitskin programmers.

>>376907076
>Just stop that shit. It literally does not work like that.
I have a phd in multi-core complication math calculated technology.

I say it works like that.
what qualifications do u have?

>>376907076
The architecture of PS4 said in 2013 hundreds of developers asked for either 4 or 8 cores

>>376906326
because it's an APU that uses all 8 cores as gpu and cpu cores

>>376907254
citation needed

>and as is usual, when cpu cores were mentioned all the little intel trolls came out of their burrows to complain across whole land of /v/, "multi core processors are bad!" they said, "Single core performance is all that matters!" they screamed, but little did they know that as loud and as passionate their screams were, the little intel trolls had no way to stop the progress of technology.

>>376907174
>what qualifications do u have?
Degree in University's computer science degree program + tons of amateur game & general software design.

What you're describing is the "common sense" ideal way the multi-cores should work. However, the varying bus & cache sizes together with varying single-core performance AND the way especially games tend to utilize the CPU and/or its individual cores (they seldom do) result this clusterfuck bottleneck where a 2008-tier core2duo at 3Ghz is running circles around shit like quad-core AMD A5.

>>376907245
[citation needed].
It's however not unrealistic. 4-cores had became a standard already years earlier, and it was safe to assume that in just couple more years, 8-cores would be the current standard.
However, Sony took the easy way out and had a Mcdonald's tier manufacturer give them a Happy Meal -tier octa-core, packed with a low-end mobile GPU that can barely provide 1080p at 60fps experience with early 2010-tier games. It's ironic that the Pro version is simply slightly overclocked + has two of those crappy GPUs, which again isn't helping too much.

>>376907031
>assuming it can run in parallel 100% of the time
6 GHz dual core > 3 GHz dual core

>>376906326
They put more cores on it so the OS can run on a dedicated core without anything slowing it down, and 3.2 GHz for just the OS is overkill and not worth the heat.

>>376907808
>6 GHz dual core
*6 GHz single core
fuck

>>376907798
>They wanted a system with a unified memory,” he stated. This meant that devs wanted the PS4 to have just one pool of memory, not two. PCs and earlier game consoles used two different kinds of memory to feed data to the CPU and graphics. But unified memory would be easier to program. The proper number of CPU cores would be four or eight. Sony eventually chose eight.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/189368/Inside_the_PlayStation_4_with_Mark_Cerny.php
https://venturebeat.com/2013/07/01/cerny-3-ps4/

>>376907798
>packed with a low-end mobile GPU that can barely provide 1080p at 60fps experience with early 2010-tier games.
If you think about it, only a few developers can deliver 720p60fps. The problem are developers and the lack of optimization.
A 2012 video card can't run witcher 3 in 60fps even in low settings.

>>376908307
As far as I can see, the devs simply wanted unified memory, which makes sense this day and age. The choice between 4 or 8 cores, however, clearly was Sony's own decision to make, and they did wisely by going with 8 cores, as it minimized the problems that weak single-core performance would and did result.

>>376908445
True, but the HD 7550 -comparable GPUs don't help either. And as we know, GPUs tend to be the most important component for most games.

>A 2012 video card can't run witcher 3 in 60fps even in low settings.
I got GTX 560ti from 2011, and it indeed gets 50+ with mix of Low and Mediums. Steady 60 if I drop down to 900p, which is what PS4 still utilizes most of the time, often without AA and/or with tricks like Checkerboard Rendering.

>>376908818
witcher 3 is 1080p on ps4, no 900p option

>>376907787
Don't worry, Vulkan and octa-threaded workloads will be the standard any day now bro.

>>376908980
yet it can't even maintain 30fps with those low-med combo settings.

>>376906625
>image
Do people seriously STILL believe this shit? Ryzen has made AMD CPUs competitive again.

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>>376909514
>Ryzen
>competitive

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>tread filed with wanna be programmers
Meanwhile PS4 has the best looking game when all pc has is its overpriced,obsoelte hardware.

>>376909514
Shh, you're on /v/, don't bother the Inteltards or they'll start feeling Intel's dick in their ass and get flustered.

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>>376909741
>this is what sonybros actually think

sony kept bragging about the GPU in the PS4 but skimped out on everything else.

that cpu is fucking budget laptop tier. IT STILL USES SATA2 FOR FUCKS SAKE

>>376907798
post dem amature games. they mite b cool

>>376910061
The memory is pretty good actually.

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>>376909990
>running on pc hardware
If Uncharted 4 had PC port we would(just like with every single multi-plat game) get A DOWNGRADE.
PC port = downgraded outdated graphics.

>>376910143
memory is also cheap as fuck compared to the ps3 gen, where they had to live with 512mb and 256mb reserved for the OS.

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>>376910184
>PC port = downgraded outdated graphics.
Suuure... Let's ignore the fact that all games are MADE with PCs. Checkmate, peasants!

And while we're at it, these are modern, real-time graphics in an open-world PC game.

>>376910184
And reminder that Homefront The Revolution had to get a downgrade POST launch because consoles couldn't run it (same goes to PC)
Caring about graphics is cancer, loyalty to any given platform is for retards when the industry is being fucking shit anyways.

>>376909990
Horizon is probably the best looking game considering it's a 2012 APU. on PS4 Pro it beats basically PC games.
The only games I think beats Horizon Zero Dawn are Crysis 3, Arma and Dishonored 2.
Don't tell me Deus Ex or DICE games have good graphics.

Multithreading is complicated programming. Less cores would actually be easier for developers but the tradeoff is that games can't be as efficient.

>>376910061
The HDD isn't even connected via SATA, only the BD drive is.

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>>376909671
WE'RE STILL GOING STRONG

YOU DON'T NEED MORE THAN TWO CORES ANYWAY

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>tfw AMD apu raping any PC gpu to date
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnjKnf5MZVM

What is the point of overpriced pc trash when $200 rapes it visually?

Upcoming games that will rape a new hole in pc trash are
God of war
Red Dead 2
Spider Man
Days gone
Death Stranding

>>376906515
my god. people still consider oscillation frequency to be an indicator of CPU speed?

MY GOD people multiply it with number of cores to compare CPUs?

>>376910839
It is kinda impressive if you consider the PS4 is almost 5 years old by now.

Grafics have stagnated, if you played on PC in 2011 you'll barely spot a difference to your 2017 game despite your GPU being 3-4x more powerful.

>>376910962
You're on /v/, what do you expect?

>>376910839
>God of war
looks like absolute shit
>Red Dead 2
Interested
>Spider Man
Skeptical
>Days gone
generic zombie shit
>Death Stranding
>supporting Kojima movie-shit
>supporting something that will create an extremely dangerous precedent if successful and will cave sony and playstation if it flops because it fails to make up its total investment costs

>>376911175
>generic zombie shit
>says the Overwatch, CoD and Dota player
kek

>>376909341
why ppl take tw3 as a standard? It went through developement hell, and isn't impressive at all in terms of graphics.

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>>376910719

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play monster girl gamu!

>>376910719
5.6/10 bait

>>376910839
>red dead 2
deff going to be on pc after how well GTA5 sold
>death standing
also being considered for pc

who cares about the other shit

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>>376910729
Y-YEAH FUCK STREAMING AND QUALITY RECORDING, FASTER MULTITASKING AND WORKLOAD HANDLING

WE DIDN'T NEED THAT SHIT ANYWAY

>>376911265
it's the first hype-train of a major AAA title not made by Bethesda the GenZ jumped on, and the first Witcher game for all Sony kids.

>>376911313
sounds like the perfect waifu

is it actually finished?

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>>376911367
>deff going to be on pc after how well GTA5 sold

>>376911357
I believe it was mentioned during 33c3 console hacking presentation. It's on Youtube.

>>376911498
PS4 HDD is sata II

>>376911442
demo 2 soon!

>>376911497
even destiny 2 is coming to pc, itll happen

>>376911659
i hope for you. But i don't have the patience to wait when there are 0 fucking games to play atm.

>>376906515
>>376907031
>>376907174
Is everyone in America as retarded as you? Obviously if you have a phd when in fucking 2nd year comp sci they tell you that is exactly NOT how multiple cores work. Jesus christ do you even know about Amdahl's law?

>>376911552
That doesn't mean shit, USB HDDs are also SATA drives, watch the video.

>>376911975
>USB HDDs are also SATA drives
PS4 uses USB 3.0(Sata III) HDDs which are better than Sata II

>>376911002
Thats soooo wrong. I guess you need to buy a new rig anon.

>>376911936
yeah itll be just like gta 5 dude, console first then pc will come along later, so people by multiple copies, its how gta5 made so much fuckin money

>>376906625
But i5 > i3

>>376912184
PC sold shit compered to consoles

>>376912184
>console first then pc will come along later
Just like RDR1. Oh wait.
>tfw waited 10 years for Dead Rising on PC

>>376912184
>yeah itll be just like gta 5 dude, console first then pc will come along later, so people by multiple copies, its how gta5 made so much fuckin money

Nah. It won't be on pc. Just like previous instalments.

>>376909990
>more fog
>shittier LOD
>missing water reflections
can't wait for ps5 remaster

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>>376912390
>>376912483
petition soon

>>376906574
seriously why is the wifi in all playstations complete and utter garbage? I know that wired connection is best regardless but I have an old cheap dongle for my computer that gets ten times the speed the PS4 is able to

>>376912034
I wouldn't equate USB3 to SATA3, and I would doubt that USB3 is "better" than SATA2 due to latency/overhead rather than throughput.

Still, if the PS4 really doesn't have SATA3, that's pretty fucking dumb.

>>376911936
>there are 0 fucking games to play atm.

Man I've been feeling the burn lately, too.

>>376911357
https://fail0verflow.com/media/33c3-slides/img/blockdia-simple.svg

>>376912838
>I wouldn't equate USB3 to SATA3
Me neither but USB3 > SATA 2

>>376912838
PS4 uses Sata III but only on PS4 Pro.

>>376913134
But that's just from comparing throughput numbers, right? Got any stats for comparing latency etc? That is the part that really matters.

fanboyism aside, how much of a jump do you guys gather i'd get from going from an 8350 to a Ryzen 1600?

my card is the r9 290

>>376913380
latency is usually better but loading times are faster on USB 3.0 regular PS4. on PS4 Pro the best thing is to use internal Sata III

>>376907076
>the lead designer of the PS4
>literal who

>>376913930
If Mike Cerny designed the PS3 the last gen would have turned much better instead of 25fps games with huge input lag

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ITT /v/ once again shows it knows nothing about hardware.

The tl;dr is this: moar coars are great for power consumption when you can clock each low but still keep overall throughput and both Sony and MS wanted to avoud the nuclear reactors this time as the ps3 and 360 both had major overheating issues. AMD's APUs with some tweaking are the perfect solution for a low cost, low power perofrmance part at the time sony and MS were designing the ps4/xbone.

Watch this space for the Zen based APUs - depending how far along the ps5/whatever the next xbox is in design they will be wicked fast for another console if low power consumption is still a major focus. If you want to go a bit further than this it is why AMD is going all-in with their fabric technology and memory controllers as it lets them build a product that scales from teeny tiny laptop deployments to monster server setups housing multiple cpus.

>>376914418
TL;DR 1: In 2005 there was no choice but to use Cell since Sony spent 4 years developing that shit

TL;DR 2: AMD in 2012 was the only company that offered a 8 core CPU with good price.

>>376909514
This image was made back when Piledriver was the best thing AMD had to offer for like five years straight.

Ryzen is good, which is why it's barely ever mentioned. It goes against the narrative imposed by shitposters and Intel shills.

>>376911960
dont take the bait.

>>376914689
>Ryzen is good
and cost 500 dollars.

>>376914689
I know the history of the image, it's just outdated and anyone using it should be purged.

>>376914769
while intel is a bit better but costs 1000 dollars and changes its socket every two weeks and disables overclocking on everything it can.

decisions decisions

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>>376914597

>TL;DR 2: AMD in 2012 was the only company that offered a 8 core CPU with good price.

That is backwards - its not like having 8 cores was a design goal, it is the end result of wanting low power draw but high throughput. Intel doesn't really give a fuck about consoles because it makes them no money and Nvidia flatout ragequit consoles because they want more shekels and maregins are razor thin, so the only option left was AMD.

>>376914769

>1800x is the only chip that exists

lol

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>>376909514
>Ryzen has made AMD CPUs competitive again.
>what braindead AMDrones actually believe

>>376915020
>>376909671
nervous much?

>>376914968
>>1800x is the only chip that exists
The only relevant Ryzen chip, yeah.

Seriously here
I have a question

How many actual cores does i7 have? I heard there are 3 and the others are logical cores

How many physical cores does AMD Jaguar have?

>>376912304
...yes, and?
Failing to understand the pic?

i3 = 2-core with Hyperthreading.
i5 = 4-core only.

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>>376915128

>>376915268
The pic is wrong, two machamps can easily beat four machokes.

>>376909990
That "PC hardware" probably costs thousands of dollars.

>>376915635
it is safe to say Ryzen made i3 and i5 irrelevant?

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>>376915207

>How many actual cores does i7 have?

https://ark.intel.com/

Educate thyself.

>>376906808
and yet still nobody bothers to multithread tasks properly

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>>376915713

Effectively yes. It is why /g/ only reccommends the hyperthreaded pentium (as that invalidates all i3's anyway for half the cost) and the 7700k on the Intel sideo f things. Anything inbetween is AMD territory and the 7700k has competition from the R7 1700.

>>376915814

Some tasks can't be and DX11 basically requires hacking to make it multi-threaded in any real way.

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>>376915713
>Ryzen made i3 and i5 irrelevant
Weekend /v/.

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>>376915990

>>376916320
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html

>>376916428

The grilling they got over that retarded article is amazing. Their suggestions clash the article that goes with it.

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>>376915990
>intel has been caught with its pants down even though AMD leaked its 32c/64t naples and now scrambling to make itself relevant

Ryzen is great. if anything, the end of dual-core is nigh. i3 will be more or less for chromebooks. and we will have 4 cores for every single device again.

>>376906515
Allow me to introduce you to Amdahl's Law:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law

>>376916320
>4/4 vs 4/8
Really made me think, should've included the 7700k

>>376917389
>He actually thinks more than 3.4GHz is necessary for gaming
The thing is Intel and AMD are competing to sell data mining PCs to the chinese. There are chinese buildings with 40,000 CPUs to mine digital money and crack encryption

>>376917389

>less pcie lanes than broadwell-e
>less cache than broadwell-e

Oh look, its fucking nothing. Especially given the TDP for those i9 chips will be chernobyl tier - Intel can't beat ryzen for power effeciency.

>>376910839
>2017
>still can't hit 1440p
Wew
>>376911497
Aw yiss sweet rockstar games! me and my bros gonna play it so much! at least 3 hours a week :)

>>376906326
>another cell shill thread
Even the netbook-intended jaguar is miles better with standard workloads, parallel heavy work is better left to gpus

>>376917776
Hopefully the 95W Ryzen can be recuded to 65W in near future

>>376917892

I doubt but given the 1700 is a 65w TDP chip I don't think it matters.

Plus outside of AVX2 ryzen has higher IPC than anything Intel offers (in b4 /v/ goes full retard again without knowing who Agner Fog is).

>>376906625
That image was correct up until AMD. Bulldozer/Steamroller had 8 cores, but shared resources for every two cores, making it very similar to hyper-threading. In fact, they got sued for that sort of deceptive advertising.

Nowadays, Ryzen is 8 cores with their version of threading, making it 16 cores.

>>376906515
Doesn't work that way. Cores need time to communicate with each other, code must be written for every core etc. Having fewer faster cores is more advantageous than having multiple slower ones, if we are talking about CPU.

>>376918241

You need to stop talking about things you don't understand.

> but shared resources for every two cores, making it very similar to hyper-threading.

CMT is absolutely nothing like hyperthreading/SMT as it is the complete opposite approach. In fact CMT only exists to get as many cores as you can in a given die size.

>In fact, they got sued for that sort of deceptive advertising.

It was one dude who tried that and it got laughed out of the courtoom.

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>>376917667
>not playing 3 games at once with Ryzen
>being a casual PC fag

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>kaby lake

More like stutter lake.

>>376906326
>Why 8 cores and only 2GHz
Because it's an old shit tier APU.
Just look at Wikipedia or something, before you shitpost.

>>376906326
on the topic of note, ms and sony wants a low wattage/ low heat console. this is because of the expectations of new retarded laws that may shit on the console.

Do you even remember the Red Ring of Death and YLOD? that is because during the time the consoles were being manufactured, new laws were implemented that banned usage of lead soldering. this fucked up the PS3 and X360 because the console was designed to dissipate heat with lead. the lead-free rule fucked up the systems.

They wouldn't be able to afford Intel chips on consoles, and AMD didn't really have good IPC CPUs back then.

Their best hope now is for some new consoles with Ryzen chips on them, that would be a big jump from the garbage consoles have as a CPU.

>>376906326
More cores at a lower clock is a temperature counter measure.

>>376922024
doesnt nintendo use intel

>>376923264
no, never did

>>376907169
>a lot of game developers are shit at programming
That's because only shit programmers become game developers. Also, the pay is shit because there is such a large demand to become one. Any programmer who can actually program and has a brain steers clear of game development.

>>376906515
That's not how it works. Effective programming for multicore takes a lot of skill and there's a lot of overhead involved for communication.

>>376924119
which areas of programming pay more?

>>376925039
Banking and safety critical stuff.

>>376906625
>Because AMD logic + a weaker, older CPUs is cheaper
And here we have our answer.

PS1 was 1 very very very powerful core with 8 virtual cores.

>>376906326
Because 16 core processers didn't exist when the ps4 was made, in 1999

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What's the best CPU to pair with a 1080 if you don't like to OC?

>>376928423
a Ryzen 5