Two down. One remains. Will it break the pattern?

>>376906181
YL was good though

>>376906181
YL was way better than MN9

>>376906181
Will you stop making this stupid ass thread?

Probably not. Shitposting like this takes autistic dedication. Find out tomorrow on /v/. Sage.

>>376906256
t. shitty no.9 backer

>>376906181
No.

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who knows, but I'm sure /v/ will find something to complain about anyways

>mighty number 9 was garbage
>yooka laylee was underwhelming
Maybe if it keeps going like this, bloodstaoned will be good and shenmue will be great

>>376906181
Bloodstained is doomed to fail. Might actually buy that one though because I'm starved for SotN clones, why did they stop shitting them out.

>>376906181
Can't be worse than MN9 or YL.

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>>376906204
You're a funny guy, anon

>>376906238
That's not saying much.

>>376906553
>why did they stop shitting them out.

They were never big sellers, and Konami tried to reboot the series. Thus they didn't fit into their new storyline and setting. They tried to awkwardly do it with Mirror of Fate.

btw. fucking Mirror of Fate and Lord of Shadow 1/2 are the only Castlevania games on steam.

>>376906181
YL was fucking great. What the fuck are you on about?

The controls are good. The graphics are good. The worlds are colorful and creative. It's EXACTLY what people wanted who enjoyed Banjo Kazooie and Tooie

KYS you whiny self entitled cunts.

>>376906670
Fuck. I loved those games, even if they all played almost exactly the same.

>>376906568
YL wasn't irredeemable garbage like MN9, but it is excruciatingly mediocre. It could have been a lot better if it had just had more polish and attention to detail.

>>376906795

There absolutely should have been a new trilogy on the 3DS.

Was YL so bad though?

>/v/ suddenly likes YL
what happened

>>376907067
/v/ is not 1 person dumbass

>>376906204
It was forgettable.

>>376906181
It makes me sad to say that, but you can add Shantae to that list. I mean, at least it was a game, but it was still a huge disappointment.
Maybe they had good intentions... maybe that's just what happens when you try to make such a game work with low budget.

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What about Shantae? That ended up being pretty good.

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>>376907415
>>376907434

>>376906181
Yooka Laylee is good.

MN9 was too bland to be something that took four years and $4 million dollars .

Yooka-Laylee was good but it had a lukewarm reception due to:
a. People realizing they don't like the collect-a-thon genre and were driven by nostalgia
b. Neonazis boycotting the game due to that youtuber's scandal (nothing to do with the game per se).

Bloodstained: let's wait and see

>>376907434
It was severely lacking in content, especially after the hit that was Pirate's Curse. The story was also strung together pretty poorly and the transformations didn't mesh as well into gameplay as the pirate items did..

Hollow Knight was really good and I doubt Bloodstained will even be half the game HK was.

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Fuck you.

>>376906181
Bloodstained is shit

Shovel Knight is good

>>376906648
>>376906238
>>376906204
I think a smash hit is what it'll take to justify kickstarter as a viable platform for games. As it stands, people are losing faith.

>>376907656
I only played Risky's Revenge before HGH and even that was a lot better. At least I've yet to experience the best game in the series, I suppose.

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>>376906181
I've heard the gameplay in the demo was tight and the new mechanics were fun, so ultimately that's all that matters to me. The graphics may not be the best, and I'm sure it'll be a bit underwhelming in some regards at the least, but if the combat and exploration are fun then that's all I could ask for from a new Castlevania-esque game. It's no direct OoE sequel, but it'll do.

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>>376907782
Hey, fuck YOU, leather man.

Not if it has to rely on /v/'s standards.

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>>376907781
sadly, this. Hollow Knight is a genuine 9/10 for me, it would have been 10 if it didn't have those terrible drops. If Bloodstained is a success and revives metroidvanias somehow, I'll be happy, but that's it. very low expectations.

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>>376907917
>I think a smash hit is what it'll take to justify kickstarter as a viable platform for games.

So you live in a world where Shovel Knight, Undertale, Divinity: Original Sin and FTL never actually got made then?

>people trying to lump YL with the failure known as MN9
Stop

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I played through the demo and the game controlled pretty much exactly like the DS Castlevanias. I could even do the same little tricks like attack canceling but short-hopping/backdashing, etc.
Honestly the only thing to worry about now is the fact that the game could stand to look a lot better.

There's Tri Wing but it flew under the radar, I'm surprised it even got funded.

How hard can it be do Battle Network anyway

>>376908154

But muh TORtanic

>>376906204
This.

Yooka-Laylee was a good game. Not excellent or perfect, but a good game.

MN9 was complete junk.

>>376907610
I backed Yooka Laylee and can tell you that it's not as good as the games it's attempting to imitate. It's not even a matter of disliking collectathons because I played through DK64 last year and had a much better time than I did with Yooka-Laylee.

At a very basic, core level, the game is fine. It runs well, the basic controls are alright, and the level design is good. But it just lacks effort and polish.
>Worlds are way too big
>Too few worlds
>Forced backtracking
>Lots of little controls issues like awful turning when rolling or flying, or being unable to do anything while sliding.
>Challenge design is either ridiculously easy or bullshit frustrating see: minecart sections.
>Story and characters don't draw you in like BK
>Music isn't as good as BK/BT
>Lack of details like no victory dance/jingle for picking up a pagie, no special rewards for getting more collectibles than absolutely necessary.

>>376908206
That's good to hear, is there an ETA on this shit or is it just "when it's done" right now?

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Does it really matter to anybody how well it'll actually do? Whether it sells like hotcakes or bombs, whether it gets mid '90s or low 60s, /v/ will still find excuses to call it shit and play it up as the next TORtanic, just so they can say that all 3 Kickstarter revivals did in fact fail.

I know it. You know it. Everyone here fucking knows it. You just can help yourselves.

>>376908016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhbRozAFI4I

>>376908410
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLDmgrV3Bnk

>>376906181
But YL is actually good. Fuck MN9, tho.

>>376907656
>It was severely lacking in content
It's fine considering it was $20 on Steam.
>The story was also strung together pretty poorly
Not having an emphasis on story isn't a valid criticism. Who would shit on Mario 3 for "muh nonexistent story." It's basically a Kirby Super Star style of game of chapters.
>and the transformations didn't mesh as well into gameplay
No they were pretty fun. The only thing is that Spider feels outclassed by Monkey. Yeah it can shoot projectiles but the utility the Monkey has makes it the best for a platforming game. They should have let Spider walk on vertical walls as well.

Really good game and excited for the DLC. Probably my GOTY 2016. It's either that or Sun/Moon, and it isn't Sun/Moon.

>>376907782
Just played this a week ago and it's honestly pretty mediocre. But I guess that's still better than what MN9 was. Maybe I'm just not as big of a fan of 2D platformers as I used to be.

Here is the key difference for me. Out of all these Kickstarter hopefulls, only one fucking guy had been managing to squeeze diamonds out of shoestring budgets and god knows what other terrible conditions given by fucking Konami. Iga was already in the dungeon when making aria of sorrow through order of ecclesia.
Where were these other guys? Ex rare, insfune/inti creates, way forward? Did they struggle under nearly the same pressure as working for fucking Konami and manage to churn out gold? I dunno.

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>>376906181

don't forget the flop that was half genie hero

i think standards are (rightfully) a lot higher for kickstarter projects. when a game is made the normal way, the devs have to deal executives sticking their noses into things and giving deadlines and shit, so if the game comes out and is "alright but nothing special" then they at least have that excuse. but for kickstarter projects, they can literally just go on as long as they like and release the product when they're happy with it.

especially these projects that go way way way beyond their initial asking dollar amount, there is LITERALLY no excuse to release something that isn't at least "pretty good".

i've never donated to kickstarter and never will. that AGDQ 2017 run of MN9 was good enough to justify its existence though, IMO

>>376908827
>HGH
>flop
Pick one

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>>376907434

>Shantae: Half Finished Game
>Good

>>376908827
The thing is though that the money these kickstarters get, even if they go way beyond their goal amount, is still usually pitiful compared to games that are funded by publishers. Even the original games they are trying to recreate had bigger budgets, and that was 20-ish years ago when dollars were worth more.

>>376909147
>Critically well recieved
>From all appearances is the most popular game in the series
>BUT MUH "SHORT GAMES ARE BAD" MEME!!!
You're entitled to your opinion

>>376908827
>there is LITERALLY no excuse to release something that isn't at least "pretty good".

Do you know how expensive it actually is to make vidya?

I hope the protagonist gets some Paizuri art

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>>376909147
>Shantae: Half Finished Game

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

>>376908353
I think they said the game would be out by 2018.

>>376909220
>>376909362

that's only an excuse if you put a disclaimer in your kickstarter page warning people the game will be shit.

seriously though, how can you defend this stuff? if they aren't capable of making a good game for that amount of money, maybe they shouldn't be offering to?

>>376906181

Yooka Laylee was fun, people may bitch about it especially because of the whole SJW bullshit that happened, but it's just plays well and overall pretty fun unless you're a OCD fag that has to get everything one shot

>>376909328
>newest release is popular
Well gee, why is it so?
>>376906181
Was YL ok?

>>376909565
Don't forget that people actually defend 9gagtron

>>376908404
Appreciate that subtle Trump quote, anon.

>>376909556
>if they aren't capable of making a good game for that amount of money, maybe they shouldn't be offering to?
Maybe it's just not a good game to you? As long as someone enjoys it, it's a good game to that person. What really matters is how successful it is for the people that made it. Did they make a profit or lay the foundation for a sequel? People forget this is a business.

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Yooka Laylee is good but struggles with bringing old collectathon gameplay into the present. Simplifying having to collect 'ammo' for your moves into a power bar is a good idea but giving the player a flying move that is usable at any time and consumes very little energy makes previously learned moves fairly obsolete.
Though navigating Galleon without it is a nightmare.

>>376909615
So Federation Force was popular? There goes that argument.

>>376909553
That greatly hurts me. Curse things taking time.

>>376906835

This is impossible to do in Unity. I really have no idea why any serious dev would use that crappy software. I could never polish my game to the level I desired using Unity.

>>376909615
>Was YL ok?
Yeah just ok though

>>376909909
I guess so but it's not as if it was not like there series was in the same situation as Metroid, people wanted a new title after enjoying the previous, supported the title and it came out.
Not saying the game was bad, not the other dude, but it still is a bit flawed until they get the DLC out.

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I read an interesting article on MN9 on /v/'s old website. Apperently it's not as big a trainwreck as it looks. (Just mediocre.)

http://www.gatheryourparty.com/2016/07/03/we-were-all-wrong-about-mighty-no-9

Not that I'm defensing inafune, or going to play it to find out.

>>376910335
Trainwreck was more due to the result of being mediocre with the KS funding plus the shitstorm that was Dina and the demo and Red Ash.

>>376908668
>It's fine considering it was $20 on Steam.
I didn't say it wasn't priced accordingly, but Pirate's curse set a high bar that HGH unfortunately didn't top.
>Not having an emphasis on story isn't a valid criticism
Not having emphasis on the story isn't the problem, it's the fact that the story they did have was poorly written.
>No they were pretty fun
No they were flawed, having to stop every two second to switch to a different animal isn't good game design for a platformer. If they had the ability to assign transformations to specific buttons it would have played better.
>inb4 but I play Shantae for the dance animations
They didn't have those either, they half assed the entire transformation part of the game.

>>376906743
F- see me after class

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>>376908492
What a terrible post.

>>376909834

>literally defending bait and switch
>b-but the devs need the money! maybe the next one will be better... right? RIGHT?

you deserve the garbage games you get

>>376909834
This is how you defend a bad game.

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>>376910669

>>376907434
>shitskin
>good
rolf

>>376910775
>i-i hope you get bad games for having more money than me!!
see what i did there? you can't make a statement inherently wrong by paraphrasing a strawman and adding stuttering

you fucking r-r-retard

>>376910970
that's just your opinion :^)

>>376911021
>literally defending shitposting

you deserve the garbage replies you get

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>>376910970

>getting this mad

which one burned you? don't tell me you donated to all three of these shitty projects

>>376906648

it's better than nothing

>>376911197
Maybe it's just a shit post to you? As long as someone enjoys it, it's a good post to that person. What really matters is how successful it is for the people that posted it. Did they get a (you) or lay the foundation for another post? People forget this is a business.

>>376910643
>high bar that HGH unfortunately didn't top.
As much as I agree, but they were seriously underfunded.

>>376910775
>>376910841
Not defending anything. Just pointing out that what makes a game good or bad is subjective and that all that matters in the grand scheme of the industry is financial success. Sorry you allowed yourself to convince yourself that your opinions are facts when they aren't.

>>376906181
there is no pattern you fucking retard

where's that comic of two guys in a boat yelling at every single game expecting another TORtanic or MN9

like really

>duhrr KS games aren't good because MN9 sucked!!

ignoring Shovel Knight (Specter of Torment fucking rocks but that doesn't support your weakass shitposting and minimal capacity to even recognize what a pattern is), Shantae 4, PoE, LISA, Undertale, countless other examples of very successful fundraised projects that turned out fun

It's actually really sad that people want so desperately for the hopes of others to collapse. Like I'm sorry, MML salt-beings, that MN9 was not the second coming of christ, but I think it is high time you got the fuck over it already

nobody should have expected MN9 to be good simply based on the fact that he was going to try and port it to every device in existence, including but not limited to the 3DS, last/current gen consoles, mobile, the Nvidia Shield, and even a fucking chinese android console called the Tomahawk. it was never going to be good. the only people who were honestly surprised it turned out bad were the retards that chose not to pull their donations when all the warning signs were there

>>376910970
He didn't put up a strawman though. Your argument boiled down to that a long as the game does financially well then the consumers can go fuck themselves.

>>376911351
That's just your opinion :^)

Post invalidated

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>>376911435
>he thinks i'm the guy the shitposter was responding to in the first place
the level of discourse here is so fucking bad that it's no surprise to me that you think everyone who has a different opinion than you is the same person

>>376911351
>Just pointing out that what makes a game good or bad is subjective and that all that matters in the grand scheme of the industry is financial success.
In other words you're defending bad games.
Like I have no idea which game you're talking about, I just saw your earlier post and your hamhanded attempt at rationalizing bad games with muh subjective it's a buisness hurr logic

>>376911351

>well, you can't scientifically prove that MN9 sucks so it must be good!

how does inafune's semen taste

>>376910643
>I didn't say it wasn't priced accordingly, but Pirate's curse set a high bar that HGH unfortunately didn't top.
Disagreed. It's on par with Pirate's Curse.
>Not having emphasis on the story isn't the problem, it's the fact that the story they did have was poorly written.
Disagreed. Seemed fine to me.
>No they were flawed, having to stop every two second to switch to a different animal isn't good game design for a platformer. If they had the ability to assign transformations to specific buttons it would have played better.
A lot of hyperbole in this post. Either way, transforming took what? A second? It's fine.

>>376906181
>2.5D
Of course not

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>>376911630
>Just pointing out that what makes a game good or bad is subjective?
>holy fuck, that means you're defending bad games!

>>376908141
I think Shovel Knight is so polished and has had updates and new stuff so consistently that people have already forgotten it was a Kickstarted project.

I keep seeing people being like "Why is all the DLC for SK free?"

Divinity Original Sin and FTL are actual video games, so most people on /v/ likely haven't played them or appreciated them

Undertale will always lure the hardcore shitposters out of the woodwork to argue it's bad because they didn't like dealing with its fans and want to make that the game's fault, or try to shit on TobyFox despite him saying several times he was hoping the game would be modestly successful and just vanish without fandom becoming a shitshow (which it did anyway)

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An actually fun Kickstarter game happened to come out on the same day as Yooka Laylee, shame nobody's played it.

>>376911609
I didn't think more people could share such a retarded mindset. But fine I'll reword it for you then. Happy now?
>He didn't put up a strawman though. His argument boiled down to that a long as the game does financially well then the consumers can go fuck themselves.

>>376911557
That's just your opinion. Post invalidated.
>376911630
Nope, because there are no objectively bad games. Not sure why you are so triggered by this fact.
> hamhanded attempt at rationalizing bad games with muh subjective it's a buisness hurr logic
How is that hamhanded when it's a fact? There are no objectively bad games and this is a business. You're letting your massive ego interfere with common sense. Maybe you should take a break from /v/ for a little bit.
>>376911650
Haven't played MN9, but nice shitpost though.

>>376911609
the level of discourse here is so fucking bad that people are still using muh subjectivity as an excuse to deflect criticism and people calling out shitty games.

>>376906181
There needs to be a picture/comic of Shovel Knight burying MN9 and YL in a grave yard with and empty casket that has Bloodstained scrawled upon it.

>>376908141
Hey I agree with you, but in the minds of certain anons only the most current games, the failures, and upcoming titles matter in that argument.

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>>376911772
>thread discussing legitamitely bad games
>Uhhhhhh there are no objectively bad games whether something is good or bad is just opinion all that matters is if it made money my posts are facts

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>>376911912

>he can't even quote posts correctly

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At least Mighty Number 9 had some cute girls.

>>376906181
what's the one in the middle?

>>376911924
But no one is saying that you fucktard. You can criticize games all you want, but when you think your opinion is fact, that's when you get lauged at.

>>376912128
Shirona from the Toei-Tecmo series Atelier.

>>376906181

I heard YL was just a banjo and kazooie clone thats watered down in every sense of the word.

The combos are boring and the level design is trash. Would anyone here who played it agree?

>>376912098
Why are you trying to portray the side of the argument that is correct as the retarded one?

>>376912001
How about that overrated shit indie game should also bury itself with the other losers?

>>376912328
>Why is /v/ being retarded?
Good question

>>376912203

>get completely assblasted in argument
>fuck, gotta come up with something or I wont get my check this month for defending MN9
>"its not a bad game, that's just your opinion :^)"
>got em

they're laughing at you not with you

>>376911924
>>376912098
Calling a game shit isn't criticism, it doesn't even mean anything.

Deus Ex is shit.
Doom is shit.
A Link to the Past is shit.

I can say any of these things, and if anyone dares to disagree with me, I can just go
>he's literally defending shit games
and win the argument, fullstop. The only post in this entire thread that's contained anything even resembling an actual criticism is this one >>376907656.

This thread is shit, your arguments are shit, I win, anyone who disagrees with me is a redditor. Welcome to /v/.

>>376911912
>How is that hamhanded when it's a fact?
Because of the context it is used in. You are defending bad games with hamhanded rationale insisting there is no such thing as good or bad games and using subjectivity as a form of deflection while. Yes, when people are talking about a subjective subject, they are aware they are talking about opinions. Stating "That's an opinion" is not introspective, it's obvious and annoying.

Relativists are the worst fucking people to deal with. Period. What's the fucking point of having a discussion about anything if "hurr its everyone opinion dey all matter the same!"? Someone can eat shit and say they eat shit but it doesn't mean that shit doesn't taste terrible. It's like if we were talking about the worst Adam Sandler movies and you pop in just to say "it can't be a bad movie because there are no bad movies, as long as someone enjoyed it is a good movie and made lots of money!". You should take a break from /v/ forever seeing as you're the reason why this board is completely lacking in critical thought.

>>376912001
Fuck off kid. Go back to plebbit if you want to shitpost.

>>376912328
>the side of the argument that is correct
Actually that is just your retarded opinion

>>376912454
Oh, ok.

>>376912203
If someone makes a statement of their opinion without saying it's their opinion, it's because it's understood that you would know the difference. I have autism and even I understand this, you fucking baboon

>>376912442
Deus Ex is shit though. One of the causes of current "cinematic" cancer

>>376912442
Because anyone that didn't come here today know why MN9 is shit. It doesn't need repeating in every thread.

I'm sure some anon with time on their hands might give you a quick rundown. Not that I understand why you want one since you haven't played the fucking game and can't argue with any of the points.

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>>376907782
You know why Shovel Knight was the only successful KikeStarter game?

because he buried the rest of the competition

>>376912203
>But no one is saying that you fucktard
>>376911912
>what makes a game good or bad is subjective
>there are no objectively bad games

>You can criticize games all you want, but when you think your opinion is fact
You automatically assumed they're stating opinions as fact. Protip: Telling someone that's their opinion is subjective isn't a rebuttal or a counter argument, this is why you're getting laughed at.

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>>376912442

i know you're just baiting, but this thread wasn't a "were MN9 and YL good?" thread. those threads happened over and over when it came out and the consensus was YES THEY WERE SHIT. That's why there are no arguments anymore, it's been hashed out already and most people agree that they are shit. you are free to have the opinion that they are not shit, that is fine, but it's mind boggling that you could be so out of touch that you don't understand the general community opinion on these game.

no need to respond to this post, just go ahead and start a new thread defending one of these shit games, and when not a single person agrees with you, see how far "w-well that's just your opinion" gets you.

>This thread is shit, your arguments are shit, I win, anyone who disagrees with me is a redditor. Welcome to /v/.

holy fuck you're such a baby

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>>376911912
>Nope, because there are no objectively bad games.

Just your opinion

>Not sure why you are so triggered by this fact.

Just your opinion

>How is that hamhanded when it's a fact?

Just your opinion

>There are no objectively bad games and this is a business.

Just your opinion

>You're letting your massive ego interfere with common sense.

Just your opinion

>Maybe you should take a break from /v/ for a little bit.

Just your opinion.


Opinions discarded

>>376912203
>>376912442


>unless somebody explicitly says "IN MY HUMBLE OPINION", they much think what they are saying is fact

so this is what autism looks like, huh

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>>376912441
>Get completely assblasted in an argument
>fuck, people on /v/ that aren't buying my BS
>"there are objectively bad games and people that enjoy games I don't like are wrong. Also, game developers making money are wrong. My opinions that I convinced myself are facts are what is important"
>got em
>>376912450
But there are no objectively good or bad games. It is all subjective. Why are you unable to accept this reality, or are you just shitposting? It's not a form of deflection when that's how things work. That Adam Sandler comparison is absolutely ridiculous. There are people that enjoy his movies, and if they are making money, that's a successful movie. Just because you don't like it does not negate that. How can you communicate with people outside of the internet?

?You should take a break from /v/ forever seeing as you're the reason why this board is completely lacking in critical thought.

Are you kidding? /v/ is filled with people that think their opinion is gospel. That's why you should take a break with /v/ and actually talk with people outside.

>>376912705
The original argument wasn't even about MN9. It was about Half-Genie Hero. It was about whether devs should put a disclaimers on their Kickstarter saying "warning: game might end up being shit." To which the answer is absolutely fucking no, nobody would fucking back their game then. And game development isn't a small group of idiots standing around a series of switches with labels saying "good grafics," "good gameplay," "not 2.5D," and the like on them, that game dev can be really fucking complicated depending on the circumstances, and large sums of money do not automatically make development easier.

>>376912810
Are you a woman? All these "everyone is laughing at you" insults are the kind of thing a woman would say to win an argument.

>>376912954
you sounds like typical woman for me anon

>>376912442
>Calling a game shit isn't criticism, it doesn't even mean anything.
Actually it means the game is shit, which it is. Unlike Deus Ex, Doom and ALttP, MN9 and several other kickstarter games are in fact shit whether they made their money back or not.

>I can say any of these things, and if anyone dares to disagree with me, I can just go >he's literally defending shit games and win the argument, fullstop
>This thread is shit, your arguments are shit, I win, anyone who disagrees with me is a redditor. Welcome to /v/.

Now this is an actual strawman. You weren't called out for defending shit games simply for disagreeing, you were called out because you were using subjectivity as a defense for bad games. It didn't even matter which game you were defending, it was just that obvious.

This thread is subjective, your argumetns are just opinions, I win objectively with facts, anyone who disagrees with me is just a /v/ egotist. Welcome to your retarded logic.

>>376913174
>It was about whether devs should put a disclaimers on their Kickstarter saying "warning: game might end up being shit." To which the answer is absolutely fucking no, nobody would fucking back their game then.

>i have autism and don't understand what a joke is

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That's what happens when you put faith in shit meme developers

>>376906181
bloodstained looks like a resking of SOTN so it probably wont fail, it wont be anything original though

>>376913263
I LOVE YOU DAN THE MAN

>>376913261
Considering /v/ as a whole and likely you as well still think Toddposting is the funniest fucking thing in the world, I don't think you're one to talk.

>>376908827
>projects that go way way way beyond their initial asking dollar amount

Typically projects have to include a bunch of stretch goals to make that happen though. That simply adds even more to the "to do" list. They are either stuck rushing everything and putting out something of lower quality, or taking their time with it and being shat on for it like Half Genie Hero - all that extra shit is still on the way and will add many more hours of content to the game but because it's not out NOW the game is apparently just shit.

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>>376913084
>being this much of a faggot
You're right on one thing, people can enjoy different things. However liking something doesn't mean it's good. There are objective standards media must abide by to be considered "good" in that category. Stop defending these fucking games.

>>376913389
>There are objective standards media must abide by to be considered "good" in that category.
Such as?

>>376912519
>>376912594
>>376912810
>>376912954
>>376913014
>Stop saying games being good or bad are subjective REEEEEE
>Oh well just because we didn't say "in our opinion" doesn't mean we thought what we are saying is fact.
Now that is funny.

>>376913182
That's just your opinion. There is no such thing as objective gender.

>>376913174
>It was about whether devs should put a disclaimers on their Kickstarter saying "warning: game might end up being shit."
You're too autistic to get a joke.
The original argument was if devs should be justifiable in delivering a underwhelming product.
And the large majority of anons agree that lazy/poor management is not an excuse.

>>376913174
>Are you a woman? All these "everyone is laughing at you" insults are the kind of thing a woman would say to win an argument.
Maybe you should ask the woman who originally posted it >>376912203

>>376913389
>However liking something doesn't mean it's good.
Except it does for that person.
>There are objective standards media must abide by to be considered "good" in that category.
Maybe if a game literally doesn't even start up.
>Stop defending these fucking games.
>STOP DEFENDING GAMES I DON'T LIKE REEEEEE
Maybe you missed the part where I said there are no objective GOOD or bad games. I'm not defending or criticizing MN9, Yooka Laylee, or whatever. Learn to read.

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>>376910862
edgy

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>/pol/ shitposters and jontron fags have given up their shitpost campaign
>Still can't have any threads about YL because now there are tortanic posters shitposting
At least I can take solace in how pathetic your lives are.

>>376913507

what is funny about this exactly? the fact that your whole argument is built upon an autistic interpretation of what other people were saying? just stop posting and go play MN9 for the 100th time, friend

>>376913745
>Maybe you missed the part where I said there are no objective GOOD or bad games. I'm not defending or criticizing MN9, Yooka Laylee, or whatever. Learn to read.
Except that's exactly what you're doing. Your whole point i that as long as a very small part of the owners liked a game then the rest of the consumers have no right to shit on it.
And MN9 did objectively fail to do many of the things that were promised. That is an objective fact.

>>376913507
>Stop saying these games are bad REEEEEE IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE
>You have to explicitly say it's your opinion or else you're pretending to state facts~!

You're beyond autistic.

>>376906181
no
it will deliver exactly what it promised and get a 70 metacritic and people will claim it failed because anything short of perfection is a failure

>>37691400
No, that you are shifting goal posts and are resorting to fake assumptions because you have no argument.

>just stop posting and go play MN9 for the 100th time, friend

Like that. I haven't even played it once.

>>376913440
>>376913745
You two are retarded if you don't believe there are objective factors in video games. When I purchase a video game I expect certain things:
>glitch free
>clean hitboxes
>a sensible UI which displays all information needed while not being cluttered
>decent enemy AI
This is just to name a few. You can like shit but don't try to pretend it's anything but shit
>B-But it's subjective!
Fuck off faggot.

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>this entire thread

>>376912425
There is nothing more retarded than jumping into a thread discussing games to tell everyone that their opinions are just opinions.

>>376913248
>several other kickstarter games are in fact shit

Not that guy, but which ones? I'd like a list

>>376914251
when do i get my check

>>376914097
Except it isn't. I even said in a post before that it's fine to criticize games you don't like. I don't like Pokemon Sun/Moon. I think they are linear and lack exploration. That said, there are people that like the games for the characters and music.
>>376914170
>People in this thread outright say that it's wrong to think games being good and bad are opinion based
>Completely ignoring this

You're beyonf retarded

>>376912425

DUDE THAT'S JUST YOUR TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE OPINION XDDD

>>376912852
>>376913248
>literally saying you're not allowed to disagree with the hivemind

>>376914242
You're a retard if you think people judge a game just like you or should. Games can have glitches yet still be fun.

Opinion discarded.

>>376914242
I disagree with you on glitches. The first pokémon games became better due to the glitches you could do in them.
Not sure if you consider unintended techs in Melee glitches but those also enhance the experience.
I also kind of disagree with AI. Few 2D games need good AI. Look at 2D Mario games were most enemies just walk in a straight line and turn when they hit a wall, and yet some of the games are still great.
Also cluttered is a pretty subjective term. Some people fin any HUD at all to sully the experience.

>>376914258
When you disagree with that and think your opinion is fact is more retarded than that

>>376913174
>The original argument wasn't even about MN9. It was about Half-Genie Hero
It's irrelevant as the argument isn't even about the game in question. Nobody you're responding to is even shitting on the game, simply on the logic used to defend it, an inane logic that makes it functionally impossible to evaluate any game amongst each other.

>>376913084
>But there are no objectively good or bad games. It is all subjective.

If this is your best argument to justify a game then it's a fucking bad game. It's that simple. Your "reality" is just an excuse to shitpost and be pedantic over philosophy to counter criticism or even dissenting opinion against any of these games by spouting IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE THERE IS NO GOOD OR BAD. You are absolutely deflecting, shouting people down by calling their criticisms subjective is way more intellectually bankrupt than just handwaving games by calling them shit. That Adam Sandler comparison is a perfect encapsulation of the level of retardation you're operating on.

>There are people that enjoy his movies, and if they are making money, that's a successful movie.

People enjoying his movies do not make them good movies. Being a financial successfully movie does not make a good movie. Just because it makes money does not negate it's (lack of) quality.

Nobdoy but the most pedantic, insufferable fuckwads talks to people outside of the internet by countering every single argument or judgement of a game or anything else with "but that's just opinion" and "there are no objectively good or bad games".

>Are you kidding? /v/ is filled with people that think their opinion is gospel.
And you're one of them. Ironically you're the only one ITT who cannot distinguish between fact and opinion.

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>>376906181
I still have hopes for pick related even whit that horrible changes that the characters are suffering.

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>>376914258
That's just your opinion, lad

>>376914621
Sorry but nobody cares what stupid people like you think. You're basicalyl subhuman.

>>376914925
What makes you smart?

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>Backed Shadowrun
>They all turned out nice


Feels good

>>376914601
>literally unable to use basic reading comprehension
People who still call /v/ a hivemind, a board where everyone is practically rewarded with (you)s for being as confrontational and disagreeable as possible, are exactly the sort of people who think calling people out for stating opinions is a insightful counterpoint.

>>376907782
For every Shovel Knight there a hundred Yooka Laylees, MN9s, Torments and Pillars of Eternitys

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>>376906835
>It could have been if it was better
this fucking guy

>>376914715
>look at me I'm so contrarian
Arguing with people who disagree with you just by saying their opinions are not facts makes you more retarded by far.
>>376914830
Case in point.

>>376915086
That's only if you define replies as having legitimate value purely on the notion of being replies, which is the logic of a shitposter. If you post for the sole purpose of getting as many replies as possible, and not for the purpose of contributing to discussion, you are an OBJECTIVELY bad poster.

>>376915031
Dumb A.B.A. poster

>>376915012
You don't have to be a genius to understand that "bad qualites are good it's all subjective" is a shitter's argument.

>>376914806
>If this is your best argument to justify a game then it's a fucking bad game. It's that simple. Your "reality" is just an excuse to shitpost and be pedantic over philosophy to counter criticism or even dissenting opinion against any of these games by spouting IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE THERE IS NO GOOD OR BAD. You are absolutely deflecting, shouting people down by calling their criticisms subjective is way more intellectually bankrupt than just handwaving games by calling them shit. That Adam Sandler comparison is a perfect encapsulation of the level of retardation you're operating on.
Have you not been paying attention? I'm not defending or criticizing games you nimrod. You can criticize something all you want, but when you think your opinion is more than an opinion, you get lauged at.
>People enjoying his movies do not make them good movies.
People not enjoying his movies do not make them bad movies.
>Being a financial successfully movie does not make a good movie.
You're delusional. Financial success is objective whereas what you think of the movie isn't.

>And you're one of them. Ironically you're the only one ITT who cannot distinguish between fact and opinion.

Bullshit. You can't admit that you're opinions are just that. You just ranted about how wrong people are for not thinking like you.

>>376914925
Sorry you're so mad that I discarded your retarded opinion you mouth breathing fuckstick.

>>376906181

Yooka Laylee was alright though.

>>376915362
How is it a shitter's argument when it's true though? You can't be that stupid. It's not even a defense or critique of something, you're just mad because you can't refute it.

>>376915327
/v/ is a shitposter's board. Replies have value legitimately by what value posters give them, and it's been long established that people here post for attention. And someone who derails a thread about bad games by turning into a shitfest over subjectivity has no interest in contributing to discussion. Using subjectivity as an argument over game quality actively hinders and obstructs discussion, which makes them a bad poster.

The fact that you define this board where there is practically no consensus as a "hivemind" proves you're objectively removed from reality.

>>376915657
Because everyone knows it.
When someone in a thread says a game is trash then it is strongly implied that it is their opinion.
Someone then jumping in and saying "that's just you're opinion bro!" adds nothing to the discussion and is just a shitpost.

>>376915819
>Says /v/ is a shitposters board
>proceeds to be enraged because someone dared to bring up the truth about opinions
Stop taking yourself so seriously loser.

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>>376915950
>Because everyone knows it
>people in this thread showcasing that they don't know it

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>>376915819
>/v/ is a shitposter's board.
Then why are we even arguing? We should just can this whole thread and post console wojaks.

>>376916034
>someone dared to bring up the truth about opinions
That's a funny way of saying "dared to be a pedantic fuckass because he lost an argument over bad games"

>>376915860
Do we have a release date yet?

>>376915657
>How is it a shitter's argument when it's true though?
Because it's actually not and just baby's first philosophy's argument to shitpost about bad games.

Hiveswap will be the final judgement on crowdfunding indie games.

>>376915657
>this game sucks
>there is no such thing as good or bad. it's all subjective. This is not even a defense

The irony is you're just mad you couldn't refute the original argument which is why you brought muh subjectivity into this to begin with.

>>376916321
>loses argument over bad games
>says the person who won the argument actually lost it
Don't you have to be retarded somewhere else.

>>376907434
I love the Shantae series, but HGH was hardly a blockbuster proving the validity of the kikestarter method. Besides, it was an already established franchise, not some newcomer like the ones in OP.

>>376916417
But it is true. You can't just say it isn't because you lost an argument.
>>376916538
What would I be mad about? I didn't play MN9 or Yooka Laylee. It seems you're buttblasted that someone would have the gall to defend a game you hate. Sad.

>>376915402
Financial success is just one metric. Critical reception and public reception are others you can use. None of them are more valid than the other.

>>376916856
Financial success is more important that critical reception though. Why would someone care about the opinion of the internet if the game/movie is raking in money?

>>376915402
>You just ranted about how wrong people are for not thinking like you.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle a nigger.

>You can criticize something all you want, but when you think your opinion is more than an opinion, you get lauged at.
Are you a woman? Because you sound like a woman, and all these "you think your opinion is more than an opinion" shitposts are the kind of thing a woman would say to win an argument.

"there are no objectively bad games" is a defense for bad games, especially in the context of a thread debating over bad games. Full stop. This isn't a debate, you're not going to convince anyone you're making some insightful statement in a vaccum, you're just being a lazy pedant.

Adam Sandler movies (the latest ones) are bad, poorly made movies. People enjoying them does not negate that. And you're completely fucking delusional if you think financial success is an objective metric of quality. Like, you have actual shit for brains if you think this way.

If someone makes a statement of their opinion without saying it's their opinion, it's because it's understood that you would know the difference. People do not need to admit their opinions are opinions just to sate your autistic desire to defeat them in an argument but can't come up with any real arguments.

>>376907434
Only reason anyone gave two shits about Shantae was because of all the fan service. Without that everyone would agree that it was 5/10 game at most.

>>376916769
You can't just say it's an opinion just because you lost an argument.
>But it is true.
It's actually not and just baby's first philosophy's argument to shitpost about bad games.

>>376917081
In terms of deciding which is more important to determine if a game is good or bad then that's subjective :^)

>>376916618
>Don't you have to be retarded somewhere else.
>uh actually says the person who won the argument actually lost it!

Pottery.

>>376906204
>i-it was good for an indie game!
>you can tell they tried really hard!

>>376916034
>Stop taking yourself so seriously loser.
You're on a video game's board of a cantonese rice forum arguing opinions are subjective.

>>376915345
Do not.. insult my waifu

>>376906181
No, Shenmue will.

>>376917143
>Talk about the pot calling the kettle a nigger.
Wrong
>Are you a woman? Because you sound like a woman, and all these "you think your opinion is more than an opinion" shitposts are the kind of thing a woman would say to win an argument.
Someone already used this shitpost
>"there are no objectively bad games" is a defense for bad games, especially in the context of a thread debating over bad games. Full stop. This isn't a debate, you're not going to convince anyone you're making some insightful statement in a vaccum, you're just being a lazy pedant.
People that are actually intelligent don't need to be convinced of this because they know it's true. There are no objectively bad games. Retards like you are the ones deluding themselves into thinking this is wrong.

>Adam Sandler movies (the latest ones) are bad, poorly made movies. People enjoying them does not negate that. And you're completely fucking delusional if you think financial success is an objective metric of quality. Like, you have actual shit for brains if you think this way.

Just because you or RLM don't like Sandler movies does not make them bad. You're a fucking babbling retard if you think the OPINIONS of critics are more important than financial success.

>If someone makes a statement of their opinion without saying it's their opinion, it's because it's understood that you would know the difference. People do not need to admit their opinions are opinions just to sate your autistic desire to defeat them in an argument but can't come up with any real arguments.

So you force your thoughts in this post as fact but now you go "oh it's just an opinion."

>>376909996
H o l l o w k n i g h t

>>376917483
You're on a video game's board of a cantonese rice forum arguing opinions are subjective.
What's real sad is that there are morons on here arguin that they AREN'T.

>>376906204
It really genuinely is not. At best it can be considered subpar.

>>376917081
>Financial success is more important that critical reception though
This is actually just your opinion.

Financial success is only important to those who profit from it. In terms of quality it's mostly irrelavent.

>Why would someone care about the opinion of the internet if the game/movie is raking in money?
Maybe because they want to avoid playing a bad game or seeing a bad movie. Hence why people go on the internet to read people's opinions about games and movies, which is a business in of itself.
Also what makes your opinion so unique from the rest of the internet?

>>376906670
They really should add Harmony of Despair to steam, if there's any platform that kind of game would do well on it's PC, it's a classic steam sale game

>>376917279
Nope, it is true. You're obviously mad you lost an argument, but you shouldn't deny reality because of it.

At the very least we know Bloodstained has a bretty gud first level

Looks promising from here.

>>376917227
Stale debunked meme. If people only cared about fapping to Shantae they would just use google, not buy the games. People buy them because they're excellent.

>>376917725
What's sad is that there are morons like you who insist that they are, in a thread about bad games, while calling other people losers. It's like you have no self awareness.

>>376917636
>Just because you or RLM don't like Sandler movies does not make them bad. You're a fucking babbling retard if you think the OPINIONS of critics are more important than financial success.
Nope. Financial success says how accessible the product is in the best cases, and how successful the marketing was in the worst cases. If you think that is more important to determine if a movie is good or not than what the general opinion of the people that have seen it and published their opinions then that's entirely subjective.

>>376917814
But you're the one who is denying reality. You're obviously mad you lost the argument over these games that you turned it into a debate over subjectivity just so you could feel like you won
>Nope, it is true.
Nope, just baby's first philosophy's argument to shitpost about bad games.

>>376917736
You don't think the creators of a product value money more than internet opinions?

>In terms of quality it's mostly irrelavent.

Opinion

>Maybe because they want to avoid playing a bad game or seeing a bad movie.

Opinion

>>376907434

It was meh

Not bad, not great. Some of the best transformations were severely underused, level design was underwhelming. PC was worlds better.

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>>376911806
Needs porn!

>>376906181
>implying YL is anywhere NEAR the tier of MN9
Christ you people, it wasn't a genre-redefining game but it wasn't a complete shitshow like MN9 was

>>376917915
What's sad is that idiots like you convinced yourself into think you know what you're talking about.
>>376917942
> If you think that is more important to determine if a movie is good or not than what the general opinion of the people that have seen it and published their opinions then that's entirely subjective.
The quality is subjective and differs from person to person so this isn't an argument. Financial success is objective.
>>376918076
But it is true though. Just because you continue to deny reality and yell "NO YOU" doesn't negate that.

>>376918080
>You don't think the creators of a product value money more than internet opinions
Which has nothing to do with how good or bad the game is.
Even then, there are devs that value having a good reception more than excessive financial success.

>>376918156
It was great actually. Music and visuals are in a tier of their own. Pretty neat level design, although Risky's Revenge probably still has the best. HGH might be the best in the series and will probably take that title with the DLC.

I pirated MN9 and it isn't as bad as /v/ makes it to be. It's just an okay Megaman clone, it ain't as bad as something such as No Man's Sky, now that's something really terrible. Haven't tried Yooka Laylee.

>>376918357
>The quality is subjective and differs from person to person so this isn't an argument. Financial success is objective.
General critical reception is also objective.
Each opinion is subjective, but stating the most common opinion is objective.
You don't actually think the statement "generally negative critical reviews" is an subjective remark, do you?

>>376918375
>Which has nothing to do with how good or bad the game is.
That's subjective. How successful a game or movie isn't. Not an argument.
>Even then, there are devs that value having a good reception more than excessive financial success.
That's PR 101. "We totally care about what you guys think! Oh, you want F-Zero, okay but take these 100 Mario games first because they actually sell!"

>>376918080
>You don't think the creators of a product value money more the quality of their work
Fixed. And the creator's don't determine whether their product is good based on whether they made money off of it. Critics and end consumers are who ultimately determine the value of the creator's product. Not the other way around.

>Opinion
Not an argument. Also you are just spewing internet opinions.

>>376918357
>What's sad is that idiots like you convinced yourself into think you know what you're talking about.

says the one who ratned all thread about opinions not mattering and being subjective

>>376908141
Tons of smash hit games have been kickstarted already. But if it's not an extremely high budget, meticulously polished 3D game, then /v/ and normies alike will instantly dismiss it as gimmicky pixelshit, regardless of whether or not it's a good game.

>>376918595
>General critical reception is also objective.
Nope, based on subjective opinions
>Each opinion is subjective, but stating the most common opinion is objective.
Appeal to the majority doesn't make something objective.

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>>376917227
I believe this applies to Risky Revenge, Pirate's Curse and Half Genie Hero. The games are really lacking in all fronts, mediocre platforming, bosses, combat and all that. Shantae wouldn't be remembered at all if it didn't have good bouncing titties everywhere.

You can check it yourself with most if not all Shantae threads devolving into posting erotic art of the characters and waifufagging in general, and zero discussion about the gameplay.

>>376918618
>That's subjective.
That's not an argument.
Financial success doesn't determine the quality of a game or movie nor is it a metric of said quality.

>>376918709
>says the one who ratned all thread about opinions not mattering and being subjective
I think you're a bit confused.

>>376912751
You mean the game came out before Mighty Nr. 9?

>>376918357
>What's sad is that idiots like you convinced yourself into think you know what you're talking about.
>But it is true though. Just because you continue to deny reality and yell "NO YOU" doesn't negate that.

The irony

You're being told "no u" because you're literally guilty of the same things you're accusing everyone else of.

>>376917227
Even without fanservice, that 5/10 would be bumped up by the great music, cute visuals, and the satisfaction of playing a game released in the modern era that doesn't require a day one patch to make it even fucking work.

>>376918618
>That's subjective. How successful a game or movie isn't. Not an argument.
Why are you bringing up financial success if you agree that its impact on if a game should be considered good or bad is completely subjective?
>That's PR 101. "We totally care about what you guys think! Oh, you want F-Zero, okay but take these 100 Mario games first because they actually sell!"
Not an argument. If you think literally every dev put their greed before their dignity then you need to back that up with facts. I would assume most try to strike a balance.

>>376911806

>Rixels and mixels: The Sonic Clone

>>376918983
>I would assume most try to strike a balance.
That's pretty naive.

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This is why I don't back anything on Kickstarter and never will.

>>376918630
>Fixed. And the creator's don't determine whether their product is good based on whether they made money off of it. Critics and end consumers are who ultimately determine the value of the creator's product. Not the other way around.
What's good and bad is subjective and differs from person to person. Financial success is objective and cannot be argued.
>Not an argument. Also you are just spewing internet opinions.
Opinion and not an argument.
>>376918813
It is an argument. Quality isn't objective and differs between people. How successful something is financially is objective.
>>376918904
Wrong. I'm open to people sharing different opinions. You aren't for some reason.
>>376918983
Because financial success is objective. There's nothing really to debate about opinions because they are subjective, but people on here don't seem to understand that for some reason. It is an argument. You're delusional if you don't think companies want money.

>>376918752
You're a literal retard.
>Appeal to the majority doesn't make something objective
Not what I said. Get some reading comprehension. If 10 critics give a game a bad review and 2 give it mixed reviews. The it is an objective fact that the game got generally negative critical reviews, it is not an objective fact that the game is bad. Simply counting something is not subjective.

>It's the "muh subjectivity" argument again
>It's the "it sold well therefore it's good" argument again
And you people have the guts to complain about the level of discourse on /v/. Hilarious

>>376907434
Probably the weakest entry in an already mediocre series.

>>376919142
Not an argument.

>>376918786
That happens with every fucking video game series here. Metroid is a franchise known for high quality games and for having a female protagonist that's about the least sexualised a woman can be because she's in a fucking suit of armor 95% of the time, but that doesn't prevent every Metroid thread from devolving into ZSS dumps, if the thread didn't start with that to begin with. Lately the Halo threads have all devolved into worshipping Elite asses. Lewds are this board's primary concern at all times.

>>376917636
>Wrong
No it isn't you hypocritical fuck. You're literally ranting about how wrong people are for not thinking like you, you're still doing in the same post you denied it.

>Someone already used this shitpost
No shit, who do you think I was mocking?

>People that are actually intelligent don't need to be convinced of this because they know it's true.
People that are actually intelligent don't use "that's subjective" and "there are no objectively bad games " as counterarguments. You've completely deluded yourself into thinking that these are valid statements against people saying certain games are bad. Intelligent people understand that if someone makes a statement of their opinion without saying it's their opinion, it's because it's understood that you would know the difference.

>Just because you or RLM don't like Sandler movies does not make them bad.

Ok but I never said those were the reasons. They are still bad movies though. People like bad shit all the time and vice versa. You're a delusional fucking retarded with actual shit for brains if you think financial success is an objective metric of anything other than how much profit was made off of it. We're talking about quality here.

>So you force your thoughts in this post as fact but now you go "oh it's just an opinion."

Are you fucking retarded? How dense do you have to be not to understand that "oh it's just an opinion" is not an argument. Take you sophomoric wankery somewhere else.

>>376919248
>Because financial success is objective.
Yes, but why is that relevant in this conversation at all? I'm asking you why you think financial success is a good metric to decide the quality of a game. Simply saying it is objective doesn't mean there is an correlation.

>>376919362
>Not an argument.
Not an argument.

>>376919362
I'm not arguing, it's a simple statement of fact.

I want to believe in Bloodstained but i have a hard time thinking that it will even approach Hollow Knight.

>>376919248
>I'm open to people sharing different opinions
No you're not. You're open to shouting people down by telling them their opinions are subjective while you try to salvage an argument you lost a long time ago.

>>376919410
There's more gameplay discussion in Metroid threads than Shantae ones, because let's be honest, it's a series based on T&A and some good music, gameplay is hardly remarkable. Remove the lewd from Shantae and people wouldn't discuss it at all, while other games like BotW that have waifufagging they still have plenty of discussion of its gameplay, flaws and strengths.

>>376919616
>implying Bloodstained is gonna be good
>implying TORtanic fag give a shit if the game is mediocre if they can prove that all kickstarter games are shit
>implying you won't see le based shovel fuck bury these shit games for good

>>376918752
>Nope, based on subjective opinions
The fact that MN9 is one of the worst received, worst rated kickstarter games of all time is not subjective or an opinion.
>Appeal to the majority doesn't make something objective.
Neither is appeal to financial success. It's only objective in the context of "did the creators profit off their work".

>>376919593
Source your facts then. I love to see where you got the idea that upholding a good public image isn't something almost every dev try to achieve. Even if a large reason behind that is future financial success.
Trying to please your customers while making a profit is like economy 101.

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>>376919248
>It is an argument. Quality isn't objective and differs between people.
>Opinion and not an argument.
>Financial success is objective and cannot be argued
>What's good and bad is subjective and differs from person to person.
>How successful something is financially is objective.
>Opinion and not an argument.

Imagine being this much of a pedantic fuckwad in real life. I feel sorry for your parents and/or handlers who have to deal with your insufferable ass.

>delayed to 2018
>abandon Wii U and shift to Switch ("but it's okay cuz MOST people changed their pledges to Switch lmao!" -retards)
>literally no noticeable progress for how many months now?
>"""""monthly""""" updates are completely barren and devoid of anything but empty messages from IGA and fanart that THEY ALREADY SHOWCASED BEFORE, aside from the one update that just introduced more characters
Yeah, it's guaranteed DOA.

>>376919251
You are actually retarded. You're reading comprehension sucks and you cannot grasp the concept of opinions. The objective fact is that critical reception is based on subjective opinions whereas financial success is objective. Stop arguing this you retard.
>>376919451
You are an imbecile. You cant' accept that people do not care about your opinions because they are just that, opinions. People that are smart won't be triggered because someone brings up the fact that quality is sibjective. Get a clue you gargantuan buffoon.
>>376919489
Quality of a game is subjective. Some people will like a game and others won't. How successful a game is objective.
>>376919780
Yes I am. Already proved that with the Sun/Moon example. You can't handle that people know your opinions are just opinions.
>>376919917
It is an opinion because there are people that like the game.
>Neither is appeal to financial success. It's only objective in the context of "did the creators profit off their work".
It is objective because that is their goal, to make money. Critical reception is opinion based.
>>376920038
>Being this triggered that someone would know that quality is subjective. Your opinion has been discarded. Go make some friends fuckface.

>>376918506
It's not the worst game ever, no, but the people backing it for 50+ dollarydoos were expecting a fucking competent successor to Mega Man, not a cheap knockoff that looks, feels, and sounds like it was produced for the PSP in 2007.

>>376919264
>It's the "it sold well therefore it's good" argument again
Not the argument at all, moron.

>>376917227
Except Risky's Revenge has awful art

>>376919248
>There's nothing really to debate about opinions because they are subjective, but people on here don't seem to understand that for some reason
Probably because, despite what you may believe, plenty of people want to share and discuss their opinions without the need to tell people they disagree with "THAT'S JUST YOUR OPINION NOTHING IS OBJECTIVELY BAD THIS IS AN ARGUMENT!". Because it's a fucknig given that people are using opinions to discuss and debate games with each other. Funny how /v/ and nearly everyone else on the internet understands this but you don't.

By arguing companies want money and financial success is objectively more important you're arguing for games designed and developed for the lowest common denominator. You're delusional if you think "Quality is subjective" is a valid argument against criticism of a game's quality.

>>376920174
>The objective fact is that critical reception is based on subjective opinions whereas financial success is objective.
What critical reception a game got is an objective fact. You're flat out wrong if you don't think so.
>Quality of a game is subjective. Some people will like a game and others won't. How successful a game is objective.
Again, you fail to answer why financial success is relevant in this discussion if it has no correlation to quality whatsoever.

Yooka Laylee wasn't a perfect game by any means, but can we please stop pretending its anywhere near Might No.9 levels of bad? Most negative reviews are from people who don't even like collectathons. At most, it was decent, if a bit uninspired.

>>376920378
Risky's Revenge has the best art though, maybe with HGH. Pirate's Curse has generic anime art and GBC Shantae has terrible art.

>>376911806
It had its fair share of problems, but I enjoyed it a lot.

>>376906553
>because I'm starved for SotN clones
There are so fucking many metroidvanias out there I can't even fathom a person like you can exist.

Unless you are an ignorant moron who can't even use google, obviously.

>>376917903
>neptunia
>DOA

>>376906256
>Shitposting like this takes autistic dedication.
For autists repeated behavior is not dedication, jackass.

>>376920437
I'm one of two people in this thread who understands this. How clueless are you.

>Again, you fail to answer why financial success is relevant in this discussion if it has no correlation to quality whatsoever.

You fail to understand the importance of financial success in general and why critical response is subjective.
>>376920438
You're objectively wrong if you think critical reception isn't based on opinions.

>>376920260
>There is objectively no bad games
>Financial success is objective and cannot be argued
>Not the argument at all, moron.

Ok retard

>>376920509
>good games

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>>376920174
>spent more than half the thread getting triggered over opinions and replying with assmad oneliners to half a dozen anons pointing out how retarded you are
>calling anyone else triggered

>>376920756
They aren't good games, yet people keep buying them because of the girls. That was my point

>>376906181
and this is the "spiritual successor" of what game?

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>>376920378
>>376920460
1 and 2 had way better art styles than 3 and 4.

>>376907434

It wasn't bad but extremely lackluster

you could easily tell they ran out of budget/time in some parts

>>376920853
underage b&

>>376920682
Not an argument, idiot.
>>376920793
But you are triggered. You're an army of retards getting whooped by 2 people that actually have common sense.

>>376920174
You're not open to opinions and your entire post proves it. You can't handle that "people know your opinions are just opinions" is not an argument. Because you literally cannot handle opinions.

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>>376911351
>Just pointing out that what makes a game good or bad is subjective
Quality is objetive
Taste is subjetive
You may like a bad game or hate a good one.
Also, you should have learnt this in kindergarten, anon.

>>376920674
>You're objectively wrong if you think critical reception isn't based on opinions.
Critical reception is an objective metric. Determining critical reception is not subjective.

>>376920851
No, people buy them because they are good games. If they weren't people would just fap to online pics.

>>376920460
Wrong on all accounts
Call it generic but PC has the most polished and appealing art in the series followed by HGH which was done by the same people. RR and GBA had low quality art with anorexic 90s style, which is probably the only thing they afforede back there

>>376921015
>DOA
>neptunia

>good games

>>376920463
Yeah, it had quite a few technical issues, many stemming from not handling global events properly, but the core game was just a shitload of fun and generally a smooth ride.

And that fucking soundtrack, goddamn.

>>376920174
>You are an imbecile
>Get a clue you gargantuan buffoon.
Ironic given that you're literally the only drooling ape still in this thread vehemently insisting that caling quality subjective negates any debate or discussion over a game's quality. Also for someone who pretends to not care about our opinions you sure do spend an awful amount of time trying to refute them and obsessing over the fact that they're opinions.

You have a mental disorder.

>>376920956
Nope, I already proved that I am open to other opinions. You having a shitfit this entire thread shows you aren't.
>>376920969
Quality and taste ar subjective. There are no objective good or bad games. You should have learned this in pre-k.
>>376921000
Critical reception is based on subjective reviews. It is subjective.
>>376921158
You must genuinely be retarded because not only can you not differentiate between objective and subjective, but you lash out at people trying to educate you. Fuck off.

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>>376920927
>But you are triggered.
see >>376920793

>pretending to be two people by getting massively triggered throughout the thread after getting whooped in the argument and falling back on "it's j-j-just your opinion!"

>>376921110
You're wrong. PC's art was generic and lacked personality. The art style in RR was polished and original.

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>>376921273
Not samefagging. There's just someone in this thread that also isn't a moron such as yourself. Go be triggered elsewhere.

>>376920674
>I'm one of two people in this thread who understands this. How clueless are you.
You're literally the only person in this entire thread who doesn't understand this. You're completely clueless.

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>>376912668
>A game focused in player freedom and emergent gameplay, which also wasn't a commercial success is somehow to blame for "cinematic cancer", instead of Half Life 2, Uncharted or Gears of War among many others MUCH better examples.

People born after 1990 shouldn't be allowed to express their shitty opinions.

>>376921263
>There are no objective good or bad games.
You heard it first here folks, Bubsy 3D is not a bad game

>>376906181
YL posting will triple when the Switch version releases, calling it now.

>>376921481
Nope, there are other people here that know the difference between subjective and objective. Something that you don't understand, nimrod.

>>376916769
How are you not buttblasted here? Nobody would spend this amount of time arguing about opinions just being opinions unless they were mad about people hating a game you like. That's fucking sad.

>>376912315
I wouldn't call it watered down, it just doesn't do much to improve upon them.

>>376921263
>Critical reception is based on subjective reviews. It is subjective.
Objectively wrong. Saying a game got a generally negative critical reception if the majority of the reviews were negative is an objective statement.
It is the same as if two of your friends don't like pokemon. The statement "two of my friends don't like pokémon" is an objective fact.

>>376921347
>polished
>>376920868

>>376921263
>I already proved that I am open to other opinions.
You literally proved the opposite. Your entire post shows that you're not open to other opinions, you're literally trying to discredit them beacuse they are "just opinions".

>You having a shitfit this entire thread shows you aren't.
These are not my posts:
>>376921263
>>376920674
>>376920174
>>376917636
>>376915402
>>376916769
>>376916769
>>376915657
>>376915402
>>376913084
>>376911912
>>376911351
>>376909834

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>>376921464
>There's just someone in this thread that also isn't a moron
It's not you.

>I'm t-totally not samefagging! And I'm t-totally not t-t-triggered w-while ranting how everyone is w-wrong because it's just s-s-ubjective!

>>376906181
MN9:
>Hipsters: PLZ GIVE US NEW MEGAMANZ! WE LOVE TEH MEGAMANZ
>Get a new Megaman style game
>OMG IT'S WAY TOO HARD! I KNOW BECAUSE MY DAD PLAYED MEGAMANZ AND IS WORKING AT NINTENDO SHIT SUCKS. FAIL GAME EVER! LOLOLO WHERES MY MONIES!!

>>376915860
delete this

>>376921645
Are you an imbecile. So are you just samefagging this whole thread? Also more incorrect assumptions. Haven't played MN9. Wrong again.
>>376921726
Objectively wrong. Saying a collection of subjective reviews are more than just that is idiotic.
>>376921748
No, I proved it with the Sun/Moon example. The detractors are the ones throwing a shitfit because they can't handle opposing viewpoints.
>>376921893
Someone else in this thread that isn't a moron. Learn to read.

>>376921640
You're literally the only retard ITT who does not understand that calling something objective or subjective is not an counterargument towards someone's judgement of a game. Even after I explicitly spelled it out to you in an earlier post. You're just digging yourself even further now.

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>>376917903
>Every single fanservice focused product like Neptunia, or romantic novels for old women sell well because they are actually a hidden masterpiece that most people can't understand.
>After all, in a world with so much porn like this one, why would anyone consume shitty fanservice when they could just open google?

You are this retarded.

>>376922018
>Are you an imbecile. So are you just samefagging this whole thread? Also more incorrect assumptions.
You're such an imbecile that you actually thought this would work after anon literally called you out for samefagging.

>>376922018
>Saying a collection of subjective reviews are more than just that is idiotic.

This is just your opinion and therfore not an argument. . What you are saying is subjective, not objective.

>>376922045
You are so stupid it isn't even funny. There wasn't even an argument to begin with but you interpreted it that way because you're an idiot. Stop embarrasing yourself and go outside.
>>376922124
You just gave away your cover as a samefag you idiot.
>>376922212
This is just your opinion and therfore not an argument. . What you are saying is subjective, not objective.
This is an opinion.

>>376922107
There are some games with fanserivce that are good, and some that are bad. You don't have to argue in extremes, you know

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>>376922018
>Someone else in this thread that isn't a moron. Learn to read.
>[everyone else] are the ones throwing a shitfit because they can't handle opposing viewpoints.

>>376922107
>people only buy Shantae games because of the people want to fap to them.
>not realizing people would just use google for this.
Are you underaged or really just this stupid?

>>376922339
Not an argument

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>>376922280
>calling my opinion is just an opinion, not a fact

>>376922018
>Objectively wrong. Saying a collection of subjective reviews are more than just that is idiotic.
How is "generally negative critical reception" a subjective statement if the majority of the reviews were negative. It is in no way affected by the opinion of the person counting the reviews.

>>376922504
It's just ironic.

>>376922579
not an argument
>>376922604
they are based on subjective reviews
>>376922682
not really because it isn't true

>>376922280
>You are so stupid it isn't even funny. There wasn't even an argument to begin with but you interpreted it that way because you're an idiot. Stop embarrasing yourself and go outside.

I would deny the argument even happening too if I had lost as badly as you did. But please continue to embarrass yourself further.

>>376922723
>they are based on subjective reviews
Which does in no way make the ratio between favorable and unfavorable reviews subjective.

>>376907434
It was meh, a little after I actually beat that game I realized I never will have the urge to replay any of the shantae games ever again and to me that shows the games weren't very good to begin with even if pirate's curse was an overall polished experience. I just jerk it to the female characters now like everyone else.

>>376922723
>not an argument
It is when you do it for some reason.

>>376922723
But it is true in your case. You are the moron in this thread and you are throwing a shitfit because you cannot handle opposing viewpoints. Which is why it's ironic.

>>376922761
But you did lose. You and the other imbeciles have no argument. Stop embarrasing yourself.
>>376922793
Irrelevant. They are still subjective and not made objective by ratio.
>>376922856
still not an argument.