In your opinion, the oldest game that has yet to be outclassed

>>376902734
dude sex

>>376902734
Crash Team Racing

Quake 3

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>>376902734
Fallout: NV in terms of open world shooters with RPG elements.

Diablo 2

>>376902859
this right here.

>>376903015
>not STALKER

Freespace 2 is the best space fighter sim I've ever played, and I've played just about every space sim that doesn't use wireframe graphics. Freespace 2 is just a better, more cohesive experience than something open world

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>>376902734
Easy.
>inb4 Bethesda shills & D4 posts

>>376902859
yeah but Huniepop topped that trash easily

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>>376902734

every single one of these posts is right

Definitely Deus Ex.

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and the necromancer is coming out soon too, definitely a modern classic

dwarf fortress

>>376903370
there's simply no way to compete with 23 years worth of maps and mods

it's not so much a single game as it is an entire platform

Thief 2
Jagged Alliance 2
HoMM 3

>>376902734
>Half Life

Why is it praised so much? It's pretty shit, it made corridor shooters with muh story so popular that almsot every FPS after HL2 was a corridor shooter

Blizzard games.

>>376903837
I don't even think of the mods and tools when I talk about Doom. It's just damn tight, highly finished product, that's engaging and satisfying to play even today.

>>376903907
>muh story

You didn't play it. Stop trying to hard to fit in

>>376903907
pretty cool guns, nice story but you can run past it if you want, few cool fights like the black ops, warns you when you are about to engage enemies with sounds, so you dont get fucked suddenly.

Its just that other games, instead of trying to do their own thing, copied HL.

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>>376902734

>>376903141
>STALKER
>RPG elements

>>376904015
It was specifically talking about HL2 in the story part, it had multiple sections of wait >5 mins listening to dialogue that you can't skip, it wouldn't have happened if HL1 hadn't been made

>>376902734
Banjo Kazooie

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Tie Fighter

>>376903621
(You)

>>376904065
you play the role of a character and upgrade your armor and weapons while finding magical artifacts. its an RPG

>>376904065
Yes? Not many in comparison to New Vegas, but it absolutely does.

Either way, open world shooter RPG is a stupidly specific genre for this thread's question.

GTA 3. Perfect size map, perfect no-bullshit story, perfect take-no-shit character, perfect all killer no filler gameplay. No money grinding of VC, no RPG stats/gang territory of SA.

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>>376904065
>weight-limited inventory
>tier-divided gear (weapons and armor) with different stats
>gear wear-down effect
>status ailments
>stat-boost equippables
>trading & conversations with NPCs
>NPC factions
>side quests
...yeah, sounds like an RPG to me. Heck, without saying the name, I might've just as well described a FO game.

>>376904281
Stalker has nothing to do with RPG. It has no stats or levels. Talking with people and having an inventory is not exclusive to an RPG.

>>376904086
>half life 2 would not have been made if half life 1 were not made
no shit

>>376903907
It provide a unique expierence. We were participating in a disaster instead of just seeing the aftermath. Also seeing different groups fighting each other without player's involvment was cool as fuck.

>>376904489

yeah and all the cancer that followed wouldn't have either

>>376904479
>role playing means number crunching
kill yourself you retard. the world will be a richer place without you

>>376904281
I don't see any way that Stalker and New Vegas are similar. One is a non-linear shooter, other is an open world RPG with guns.

>>376904479
Roleplaying games are literally just about abstractions. Do you think FATAL is the greatest RPG ever made because of all the stats?

>>376904514
>Also seeing different groups fighting each other without player's involvement was cool as fuck.
I still love seeing that in games. It's too bad most games neglect that. Half-Life to me is almost as important as OoT was. It was huge and practically perfect at the time and there haven't been any FPS game like it since.

>>376904565
That is literally what it means. Or else every single game with a defined MC could be called an RPG, because you play a role of a character in any game.

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Best porn.

>>376904617
I didn't say that they are similar. The guy was talking about "open world shooters with RPG elements" which they both technically belong to however.

>>376904674
I think that Stalker is not an RPG because there are zero character stats to be developed. It's a shooter with an inventory and a simple dialogue system.

>>376904814
What RPG elements does stalker have?

>>376904617
STALKER is literally what NV tried to be.

>>376904907
see
>>376904307

>>376904479
It does have stats though. Have you not even played the game you're bullshitting about or what?

Morrowind with Gothic on its heels
I really want to say daggerfall but it's too fucking buggy and outdated, the dungeon crawling was excellent though

>>376904178
As someone who's only played X-wing vs Tie Fighter, could you tell me why you think Tie Fighter is the best of the series? I'm not doubting you, I just keep hearing praise for Tie Fighter over the other games like XvT, X-wing Alliance, etc and want to know why.

>>376904928
NV is a pure RPG, I don't know how brain dead somebody has to be to think that that just because both feature a post apocalyptic word (And the one in Stalker is not even an open world, and not post apocalyptic either).

>>376905021
It has as many stats as Half life or call of duty - default walk/run speed and jumping height.

>>376905102
>It has as many stats as Half life or call of duty - default walk/run speed and jumping height.

Okay, so you haven't played it. Thanks for proving it.

Star Wars Battlefront II

>>376905237
I'm a ukrainian, I have played it probably more than you. It still has no stats. Armor and artifact bonuses are not stats. A character stat is something that you, as a character, can do better or worse. Weapons handling, survival skills, health, hacking, lock-pick. Stalker has zero character stats.

>>376902734
Some I could think of.
Heroes of Might and Magic III, Turn based strategy.
Age of Empires II, RTS.
SimCity 4, Simulation.
Portal 2, Puzzle.
Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2, sports.

>>376905505
>I'm a ukrainian

Not an argument

>>376905582
>>376905505 is lying, because I am the only ukrainian on this board.

>>376905679
That's funny because I am the only ukrainian

>>376905574
>Portal 2
While I love both games, the original was better.

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>trying to turn /v/ into neoFAG

>>376905582
How about the part of my post explaining that the game has no character stats what so ever?

>>376905505
>those stats aren't stats because I say they aren't

okay

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Oops sorry, wrong pic

>>376905779
Because they aren't. It's really simple.

>>376905769
Moving goalposts. First you ask about just "stats", and now you're rambling about "character stats", as if gear stats aren't an RPG element. I'm starting to think that you're baiting, thpugh you're probably just retarded.

>>376905731
I enjoyed portal 2 more because of the co-op :^)

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nu-Prey comes close to it, but still the best FPS/RPG/Horror game.

>>376905949
With that logic, any shooter you want can be a shooter with rpg elements. Congratulations.

>>376905753
Mere coincidence.

>>376906020
If they have tier divided gear progression and stat boosting artifacts, then yes, those are objectively RPG elements.

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>>376905968
I played both games in the late 2000s for the first time and enjoyed SS 1 much more. Station was much more fun to explore, felt more real and atmospheric. Story didn't fall apart in the end either.

Banjo-Tooie
Melee
Burnout 3
TWEWY
DMC3
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Panzer Dragoon II Zwei
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory

>>376902859
Topped by Panel de Pon easily.

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>>376906167

>>376905505
>drunk Russian retard detected
I'm actually Ukrainian and yes stalker does have stats

>>376904761
Goddamn I miss Prince of Persia.

>>376906167
>resist
drumpf btfo

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>>376902734
I'm a major Doom fan so I'm biased when I say that I think Doom still hasn't been outclassed after two decades, but that's in terms of gameplay and raw fun value. I can respect your decision for saying Half-Life since it's more technically advanced, has much more to offer in terms of story, and had a modding scene that well rivaled Doom's own, but I'm simply much more invested into Doom and its gameplay and massive amounts of mods and wads. I didn't grow up with the HL mod scene in its prime but I can recognize that it had a great impact on many players back in the day, and I've seen a lot of awesome things come from it.
>>376903370
My nigga.

>>376904761
>>376906747
Me too but my favorite is definitely the first even though it had the most simplistic combat of the three gen6 POP games. I think it was IGN or something that gave it a perfect 10 and even today I'd probably agree with that score. It was essentially a flawless game.

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>>376904178
Earning the right to fly that overpowered terror for an entire campaign was worth every minute of dodging shit in unshielded tin cans. I loved the TIE Defender so much, and was crushed when the other expansion campaign was all about some stupid missile spamming shitboat.

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>>376906298
>.jpg

>>376904542
So you're blaming HL1 for HL2's flaws? Because HL2 being shit doesn't stop HL1 from being God tier

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>>376902734
Ez.

>>376906190
>Topic better than Kazooie
>3&K better than 2
All amazing games but I gotta disagree

>>376907209
Doom is still the grandfather of FPS games so I'm not knocking on its legacy. I grew up with both. But I've already played tons of Doom mods and I've always wanted more Doom-like games and I don't think any surpassed it when it came to the amount of enemies on-screen and such. It's a shame military shooters took over because I still prefer shooting aliens/demons/monsters

>>376907397
2 is better than 1 in nearly all ways except for Alyx. Get fucked cuck.

>>376907397
In a nutshell yeah, I agree with HL1 being really good, but I hate what HL2 made happen

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>>376902734
>In your opinion, the oldest game that has yet to be outclassed in its genre?

deeblo 2

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Not only is it the best Star Wars game, it's also the best sword fighting game.

>>376907629
>Get fucked cuck
really not helping your "argument"

also
>no tau cannon
shit game, shit life

>>376907629
you are poop

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>>376902734
Mario 64.

Banjo did an arguably better job in some places, like letting the player complete more than one objective at a time, but in terms of movement, complexity and challenge, this is the cream of the crop.

>>376907738
really is a good game, and teaches gameplay>graphics

>>376902734
Doom

Mechwarrior 2

Deus Ex

>>376904307
its an action game with rpg elements like deus ex

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2D beat-em-up.

>>376908667
NGB

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RTS

>>376903313
Winner