Apologise

>>376902617
No.

It's a sub-par game on it's on and the worst Soulsborne game

Nah

>>376902729
I second this

>>376902729
How can you say that when ds3 exists

>>376902813
ds3 may have been beating the dead horse, but the game design was at least good in it.

Bear seek seek rest.

>>376902880
How can you say that when it was the most uninspired and biggest rehash in the series,the entire game was just remember dark souls 1???

my Anoka woka of course:DDDD

>>376903116
gameplay was made good again, and the level design (although very inconsistent in quality) got a shitload better than it was in 2

kys bdc

>>376903203
not to mention 3 removed ADP

>>376903203
Are you implying the gameplay in ds2 wasnt a huge improvement over ds1?Much more fluid with a better weapon selection and the introduction of power stancing
>>376903340
end yourself pontos

>>376902617
things that were kinda shit in this game:
>really slow start
>1 fucking estus
>no actual weapon for deprived

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>>376902617
What for? It's my favorite DS game. The only thing I have to apologize for is for not getting all the cheevos, but I'm too much of a scrub to rack up 500 wins in the blood arena to get all the spells.

>>376903523
patrician taste spotted

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>>376902617
No

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>>376903840

>>376903936
Da fuck? Pre-release DS2 looks better than Swamp Souls 3.

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>>376903936

Why would i apologize for Downgrade Souls II? The enemy placement in this game feels like it was done in an afternoon.

>>376902813
how can you say that when ds1 exists

>>376904005
yeah but it had to run on consoles somehow

I wonder whether emerald herald is still alive or not in 3.

I'm sorry I played 700 hours of it.

>>376904173
you are that guy who rushes into rooms, gets ganked and cries artificial difficulty.

>>376904173
>The enemy placement in this game feels like it was done in an afternoon.

like those three fucks with crossobows at the Sinners Rise

>>376902617

Sorry

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>>376904173
Calling the enemy placement bad is one thing, calling the enemy placement lazy is bullshit. The enemy placement in DS2 is aimed at fucking you over at every turn and forcing you to constantly fight multiple enemies, which is great, as fighting multiple enemies is the only way you can make a Souls game at least somewhat challenging.

The DLCs are even better at this. That one room in the Brume Tower where you fall down a hatch and have to fight 4 ash skeletons buffed by an ash idol AND a fucking giant was a masterstroke, a prime example of how to inflict anal devastation upon the player. Picrelated pretty much describes my feelings the first time I fell down there and realized what's going to happen next.

>>376903936
I blame Bloodborne.

>>376904435
is this bait

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Why the fuck is the BotC slapping the estus flask agains his forehead when drinking?
Weren't the animations supposed to be motion captured or did they even fuck THAT up?

>>376904589
It's just you having a shit opinion.

>>376902880
The game design was pretty bad.

>>376903203
Level design wasn't significantly better in quality than DaS2.
The few that are really bad in DaS2 are outliers just like the ones that are really good in DaS3 are outliers and you can't really compare both of these outliers to get a good picture.
DaS3 does have better overall level design but I wouldn't place it far above DaS2 and neither are the best overall.

>>376903393
It also removed poise and added its own variant that ended up pretty bad for enemy encounter design.

>>376903407
Fists work in DaS2 + you always get a dagger in the tutorial.

>>376903840
>>376903936
>>376904017
I can only assume this game's scope got really out of hand + deadline meddling.

>>376904173
It's more or less fine.
I never got this meme.

>>376904595
They splash it on their face.
That's why you gain health slower in DaS2.

>>376904679
Are you one of the mongoloids that bought into the prepare to die meme?

>>376904683
>The game design was pretty bad.

and yet a step up compared to DaS2's design.

A good example of bad design in DaS2, Ornifex.

Who the fuck decided it was a good idea to make a NPC use an enemy model from the first game?

>>376904794
Oh, I get it, you're a dumbfuck scrub who got destroyed by regular mobs in the game on a regular basis, because fighting multiple enemies actually takes patience and skill. Gotcha, senpai.

>>376904435
Hi, Bandai Namco marketing department

DS2 was just fine, very good even. It was always going to get shit on for being the sequel to Dark Souls. People got butthurt that there was a sequel at all, others were butthurt that it was just a rehash of DaS1, others were butthurt because it was nothing like DaS1 and shouldn't have had the Souls name. Contrarian faggots will pretend to dislike it because that's what contrarian faggots do. Meanwhile, people will continue to play and enjoy it.

>>376902617
I don't know how people could shit on DS2 when DS3 wad the biggest piece of shit in the entire series. The mana system was shit and obsoleted spells. The bosses were extremely gimmicky. The areas were bland. Fucking bonfire every 2 steps. If you don't pump vit or faith, every boss starts to 1 shot you. All areas looked bland and desaturated of color. Throwbacks out the ass made everything seem like a rehash. DLC that was the most horrendous cash grab in the world.

Don't get me wrong, DS2 had its issues, such as soul memory and some crappy areas, but SotFS and the DLCs addressed most of this through large expansive areas and the agape ring. DS3, on the other hand, has become so warped that it is unfixable

>>376902617
My favorite, but most unforgiving souls game by far

>>376904857
The first two merchants you meet in DaS1 were hollows.

>>376904857
Ornifex' dialogue also fucks with the world and level progression.
When rescuing her she tells you to visit her home just along the way but the Shaded Ruins are half across the country away from Tseldora according to the game map - not exactly what you'd call "just along the way".

ds2/sotfs is indisputably the best souls game in terms of replayability

its top fun to create a build and just do a 100% collect all run

not to mention best pvp in the series

>>376905019
yeah but they were either behind protective walls or had signs that they were merchants.

Ornifex gave no vibe

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I like das2, but you cant deny that the game gets boring after 200 hours and you're also softbanned.

>>376904871
I don't know why you think you can just make these assumptions.
I just felt that the enemy placement was lazy in ds2 like an intern just copypasted enemies on to maps, and it felt jarring coming from the deliberate enemy placements in ds1. No thought was put into them other than to be "hard", and they never were because it's always just a bunch of trash mobs. It didn't feel satisfying to clear groups of enemies in that game at all.

>>376905056
WHAT? Immersion ruined. What a shitty game, start an e-petition to get the entire B-team fired and have the Souls name retroactively stripped from DS2.

>>376905056
>doesn't argue with giant talking bird blacksmith
>instead picks one piece of its dialog and starts crying about

>>376905127
Alright then, Eingyi.
He's literally the same model as an enemy you fight in the zone leading up to him.
At least Ornifex is unique in DaS2

>>376905203
This is what DS3 fags are actually like

>>376904925
>The bosses were extremely gimmicky

wyvern you jump onto
yhorm
?????

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>>376905127
And they also had unique models.

>>376905251
there were signs on the ground saying to not attack him plus he speaks when you get close

>>376904683
>fists+dagger
yeah I know, but there are kinda 20 enemies on the way and the weapon nearly breaks when I am on the tree. That´s shit, why not just giving someone a longsword and that´s it.

Dark souls 2 has just a slow start and that is what makes it replaying kinda tiresome.

>>376904857
>Who the fuck decided it was a good idea to make a NPC use an enemy model from the first game?
Did you attack the bird anon?

There were definitely some retarded moments in DaS2 though.
Straid's cell. The three archers bonfire. That door that opens out into nothing. All those basilisks around the cell that Ornifex is in.

I wasn't talking about that kind of game design though.

>>376905127
Ornifex is also behind a protective wall though.

>>376902617
Im sorry I wasted my money on you

anything with a number is mediocre
there are only 3 official souls games

>>376905472
>Did you attack the bird anon?
I killed the bird as soon as I saw it.

>Ornifex is also behind a protective wall though.
Locked door. It's a difference.

>>376905630
Yea ds1,ds2 and bb

>>376902617
most people in this thread will have spent more time playing 2 than 3. I know I did.

>>376905472
>There were definitely some retarded moments in DaS2 though.

And this guy is still my favorite one.
He just screams "My original area was cut so I was hastly put in here instead".
Bonus points go to the merchant who randomly set up shop in a castle that sinks into a lava lake and somehow has access to the dragon covenant.

>>376905701
demon's souls. BB is not a souls game.

>people say ds3 it's a ds1 rehash of the same area
>only saw anor londo so far and its' only the main building for a boss fight and illusionary "secret" room

am i being tricked on by ds2 stupid fans?

>>376905790
It has the most content out of any souls game and the best pvp providing atleast a 100 hours of fun.People are just burnt out from it but i recognize i had the most fun playing ds2 over any other game

>>376905351
Wrong on both accounts, unless you count player messages, in which case the same applies to Ornifex.

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>>376905828

>>376905880
Yes.
Anor Londo is the only location where they go full "hey guys remember me!" like the ds2 contrarians love to meme.

>>376905930
no player messages exited when I killed Ornifex

>>376905945
double greatswords was one of my favorite things about ds2,almost every build was viable and you could play anything and still do well

>>376906007
Then the messages warning you is a moot point.
If someone plays offline, they see neither messages, so it has nothing to do with design.

>>376906007
maybe leave one and contribute?Its your own fault for killing an npc and still being bitter about it years later

I want to replay 2 and finish it normally, but I only have the ordinary edition on Steam and it since scholar of the first sin is out I'd rather play that, but am too cheap to upgrade.
life is tough

>>376906116
>>376906118
Bad wording on my part

There were no messages warning me of a friendly and I was paying online.

>>376906118
it's the game's fault for copying an enemy model from the first game. I just assumed it was another dick move to hide an enemy behind a locked door.

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I dont have to apoligize for anything because Dark Souls 2 was, is, and will be my favourite game in the series. Sorry I am not a part of this huge echochamber because some fucks think that adding one stat breaks the whole game, fighting multiple enemies is bad and dudes in armor are bad design Just because.
I like the game, it has good mechanics, tons of replay potential and the whole Quest of becoming the immortal undead is grander than anything in the series apart from the Bloodborne experience. Too bad I dont like Bloodborne mechanicwise.

>>376905663
Locked door to a room with nothing else in it that would justify the circuitous procedure of getting the key from a hostile and petrified beastman (Enemy of my enemy and all that) and unlocking it.
The birb isn't even hostile.

Tarkus is also in the area and more easily accessed so that should already serve to inform the player that looks aren't necessarily everything.

I knew this game was going to get massive mindless hate ever since that one stupid ass Eceleb made a video defending it. This entire thread and it being made to begin with is proof of it.

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Dark Souls 2 was enjoyable

Just not as enjoyable as the others Soulsborne games

>>376906498
ADDENDUM

Save maybe DS1
It was gold when it came out, but it has aged like milk.

>DaS2 shillcuck thread#47113

>>376906318
>The birb isn't even hostile.
was not taking any chances due to it being DaS2 and full of dick moves

Tarkus was in DaS2?

>>376905880
nah anon, das3 is just pretty boring. the levels are small, to straight forward and empty.

Souls 1 references are still there.
>oh shit man look there, is that an asylum demon?
>oh shit look my bro from catarina
>oh patches you little fucker(but that´s ok)
>oh man what? I am back to anor londo? NIIICEEEEE
>oh look a talisman with solaire
>oh fuck man is that gwyndolin?
>oh shit look a picture of gwynvere and smoughs hammer just chilling in some mansion
>oh what? Is that priscilla? No it´s just some girl looking like her
>oh man the endboss dude, he is just like gwyn!!
>wait what a new dlc? WOAH that´s just like ariamis!


While they introduced cool interesting new stuff with lothric, ocelotte, yorshka, anri etc. They didn´t mind to explain anything, it was just "oh yeah she is here..what do you mean you want to know why she refers herself to a daughter of gwynn? Who cares dude"

>>376905314
>bracelet skeleton faggot
>two princes, hit the back one
>giant tree only vulnerable in its nut sacks
>anything with a 2 stage faggotry (every boss isn't fucking O and S)
I can go on

>>376906660
>shilling a game thats years old
>refusing to see how its actually the best game in the series and is only hated by ds3babs and normies

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explain

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>DS2 fags still exist
jesus christ lads

>>376906703
Nothing wrong with a boss with multiple stages
If anything thats better since it keeps the fight interestingj

>>376902617
I'm sorry you're a bad game

>>376906925
>ds2fags
While rare people with patrician taste exist,something you wouldnt know about

>>376902729
Correct.
DS2 was shit. The remaster wasn't much better.

>>376902617
God no, it's a pile of shit.

I have to say that anyone who thinks DaS2 is better than any of the other Souls games must have brain damage.

>>376906926
>nothing wrong with a boss with multiple stages
yes, but only if it doesn´t heal it self.

>abyss watcher fight
>demon prince
>nameless king
>ashen
>friede
>lothric

I mean just look at this? When I want a boss with 2 Stages then look at dancer, gundyr(1st fight), gael, sully etc. No stupid oh man we heal ourself again and now another fight.

>>376907056
>Look at me, I'm a contrarian assnigger who loves eating shit!
No one cares about you

>>376902729
BB and DaS 3 are worse, though

>>376904595
Doesn't he just pour it in from a greater height?

>>376907159
>resorts to buzzwords
>cant make any actual arguments and is a reddit hypebeast

>>376905880
The rehashing is mostly in bosses and NPCs

I'm very sorry for playing such a shitty game

>>376906662
The scorpion-man hybrid. I swear he was called Tarkus.

DaS2 isn't really that full of dick moves that you absolutely can't see coming (as far as I can remember) and you had to use a fragrant branch of yore to get that key and those aren't exactly peanuts in the base game.
You don't just kill every Patches incarnation to be safe rather than sorry either.

>>376906726
It's the second worst in a series of games that are never below passable in terms of quality but that also all have various shortcomings.

>>376906926
It's only really wrong when there are no solid one stage bosses in the entire game.

>>376907102
The only difference is whether there is a separation between the healthbars. Not all healthbars represent the same amount of health.

>>376905351
There were no signs and you have to talk to him first. I murdered Eingyi my first playthrough, without ever knowing he was a merchant.

>>376902729
/thread

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>>376902617
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls2/63551

rate my build OP

>>376906925
>I love unending 3v1 invasions

>>376907613
maybe if youre a ds3bab

>>376907650
did you not play scholar?

It was the exactly the same

DS1>DS3>DemonS>DS2>>>>>shit>BB

>>376902617
I am sorry for playing "Keep Turning Left To Kill Every Boss In-Game Without The Need of Rolling To Dodge Every Attack: The Game"

>>376907403
He does a normal sipping motion but he holds the flask way too high so it looks more like he's pouring it over his face.

>>376907514
>seperation of healthbars

Then why not just add more life to the enemy and let him change during the half of his live his actions. I mean just look at friede.
>oh come on I will kill you
>No dude this is not my finalform! ariandel help!
>oh man we both died? ok and now let´s make it super hardcore another form! With one attack where I just jump fivetimes and make ultra combos.

No fuck this. I know it is pretty common to have endbosses 3-4 forms in jrpgs. But the difference is, you don´t need to start from the fucking beginning if you die.

>>376907796
I don't know why but I saw DS2's drinking animation as much more satisfying than throwing the estus sideways at your face.

>defending DaS2 in 2017
I sure love neo-/v/

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Go away hbomberguy

>>376907943
The two are indistinguishable in practice, whether they have several healthbars or one big one. Do you really think you would have had a harder time of it if Gael had three healthbars instead of one massive one?

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>>376907998
It doesn't look so bad when it's animated.

>>376907514
>The scorpion-man hybrid. I swear he was called Tarkus.

he didn't act hostile and was not a copy from an enemy from the first game so I left him alone.

I ended up killing him before beating the game just to see what he had

>>376908249
Yeah that always struck me as the undead was REALLY looking forward to his sippy. You even get visual feedback of it hitting his stomach like a stone. DS1 just had you kind of throw it at your face and wavy lines just entered your mouth.

>>376908207
Well I was pretty overpowered against gael, but yes. A big one is better than 3 healthbars with 3 cutscenes and 3 different forms.

Or let me just say every form with 2vs1 is shit. Like sully.

>>376908382
D E E P E S T L O R E
Kino like this just isnt made anymore

MUH GRAPHICS
>this thread

>>376908520
>but yes
How
If the three healthbars have the same value as the singular healthbar, how does the fight get any more difficult other than you shitting your pants at another healthbar?

Also get fucking good, 2v1 fights in souls games are always going to be harder because they do more than just make you memorize timings and instead you also have to have spatial awareness.

>>376908730
2v1 fights are never fun because you can only get a few hits in every now and then and you spend the rest of the time running around like a retard waiting for an opening

>>376908796
Or you could do what everyone else does and force openings by baiting out attacks.

hi dogs

>>376908730
>1 big > 3

easy anon, psychology. Same happened with friede, the first moment I realized that there is a second form, I tried to play it so, that I kill her fast and without using estus. Then be more cautious and shit during the second phase.
But when I learned there is a third, it was pretty annoying to think "no not now, there is another form"

>get fucking good on 2vs1
It is still fucking anoying. Especially when they don´t have an opening. 1 or 2 is okay, but not half of the bosses.

>>376909024
wheres the remote grimone??

>>376907795
You know that's a lie,i know that's a lie,everyone here knows that's a lie.

So, why lie?

>>376909057
I think the three healthbars thing is actually more satisfying to beat. You get all the way along the first form making sloppy mistakes but chugging it away and getting greedy because you can SEE that the boss has no health left and you have superior heal economy
Then they change forms and you realize that you were fighting badly the entire time.

Also what do you mean half the bosses, Sully's "2v1" doesn't count, that was basically just an attack multiplier and made the fight actually easier. Several fights with multiple assailants don't even count, in fact.
>Demon Prince 1st phase counts
>Abyss Waters 1st phase counts (With infighting)
>Crystal Sage doesn't (Hide and Seek, adds die in one hit and only exist to obfuscate the true boss)
>Deacons doesn't (Mob boss, you can just mash through them all with no waiting for openings)
>Princes doesn't (Second phase is basically a single entity with a weakspot, not two different fighters)
>Friede 2nd form counts
I can't remember other fights that involve two fighters. So that's 3 true 2v1s in the entire game.

>>376909121
How is that a lie? have you even played the game? lol

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>>376909898
Yes, i have.
Have you?

Ive been shitting on DaS2 when ever I get a chance to post on this thread but
>DaS1 Best PvE and Build variety
>DaS2 Best PvP and thats it
>DaS3 ???
I liked DaS3 more than I did with DaS2 but the PvE is shit when it comes to fighting hyper agressive enemies that feel like they just came out of bloodborne
Then when it comes to PvP it all boils down to who can two shot your opponent with your strength build or stun lock them to death with your Dex build

>>376902729
Uh, what a retard.

>>376910474
Das3 is best PvE for me, if only because of the combat being so much more fluid. Going back to DaS1 from 3 is a huge downgrade, even the rolling works better and in all directions.

But even if you gave the overall PvE to DaS1, you would have to give best bosses to DaS3 at least. And best bosses beat best PvP in my book.

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>>376902880
poise

>>376905663
>not checking to see if you can lock on to something before murdering it
I bet you fell for Maldron's trick in Eleum Loyce, too

>>376911260
never touched the DaS2 DLC

>>376911440
thats the best part of the game with some of the best bosses in the entire souls series

>>376910474
I think DS2 having the best PVP is because it ALSO had the best build variety. DS1 has the best overall experience, best designed world, and best character interactions.

>>376911679
>thats the best part of the game

Sunken King proves you wrong. It's just as bad as the main DaS2

>>376911882
Wrathful queen and Sinh were both good fights.

>>376912054
Sinh is literally just a shittier Kalameet

>>376912054
>queen
>oh dude just let me summon velkas
>and teleport to you after velkas combo
>good fight

no.

DS2 is shit because it has the most boring enemies and bosses of any souls game.

Every boss attacks in a predictable boring pattern and rhythm and there's no boss in DS2 that has a moveset even half as creative as O&S, Orphan of Kos, or Nameless King. Even Fume Knight was a fucking disappointment and I hear DS2 apologists brag about him all the time.

SotFS does have some pretty creative NPC invaders, though.

>>376911110
Have you been living under a rock the whole time?

>>376912238
Fume is one of the best boss fights in any souls game, but otherwise yea, I'd agree.

I think they gimped the bosses in 2 because they couldn't balance around adaptability.

>>376903395

>Much more fluid

Your attacks didn't have the same weight as the other games, I think it's because the animations where motion captured rather than made frame by frame. The attacks just feel kind of floaty, made worse by your weapon always bouncing off the walls, and the enemies attack hitboxes being wonky as fuck. Dark souls II definitely improved gameplay in a lot of respects but it totally shit the bed in others, it just feels off.

>>376912176
She can also summon skellies or pigs so the chance for an easier or at least a different fight exists.
She summons Velstadt (Fuck you by the way for actually making me think about what his name really was for a solid 10 seconds) and it's a decent fight because you already should have all of his patterns in your head so you know what his openings are but have to use them in a new way but then also have to think about how the queen being there might cover for his openings even if you focus Velstadt down first.

>>376912238
fume knight is the dark vader of the souls series none of that flippy flashy bullshit you get hit you die

>>376912784
have you even played the game anon?

Every fucking hit staggers unless you are in the middle of an attack with a weapon that has hyperarmor.

You can be in full Havel's and a hollow with a broken straight sword will still interrupt you.

The only good souls game was DaS1 and that shit was still plagued with inconsistent mechanics. Fuck From Software and fuck Miyazaki. At least the lore is cool.

>>376913702
Poise was irredeemably busted in DS1. Poise singlehandedly made great weapons unusable.

>>376907514
His name actually was Tark. I thought the same, my recent playthrough I realized I was wrong

>>376913787
In my experience, backstabs were what made slower weapons shit tier. In the time you spent doing a single light attack you were exposed and it was performed instantly, leaving you no chance to escape and losing huge chunks of health every time.
Plus WoG spammers and the fucking pursuers and dark magic in general.

At least DaS2 fixed the backstab issue, but that game is objectively uninspired and boring.

>>376913809
>>376904857

I just realized that it might not matter anyway since tombstones let you summon NPCs though I'm not sure if you can use Ornifex in the same capacity if you kill her right out of the gate and then just use her tombstone to summon her since she only offers weaponsmithing after she moves I think.

>>376902617
Sorry you couldn't live up to your potential and a culmination of poor implementations made you the worst Souls title by far.

>>376914912
she does nothing when you active the tombstone

>>376906789
>2646+568>3158
So DS2 is better than DS1, which, by extension, makes it the best game in the series, since DS1 is massively superior to DS3? More news at 11.

>>376914791
Backstabs made damn near everything worthless in high level play but poise removed the reason to play with anything but fast as shit weapons with good critical multipliers. Dark Souls 1 pvp is more varied than 3 but it's also fundamentally broken and basically a mass of bugs and exploits whose high level play is how many exploits you can pull off.

I kinda want to buy SotFS now, despite shitting on DS2 in this thread

I pirated SotFS and beat it a year ago, but I want to do it legit with online this time. There's just so much damn content in that game

>>376902729
DeS is the worst by far.
That game does not have 1 good boss.

>>376915146
Never mind then.

The Dark Souls community is so fucking stupid I swear to god

>>376912157
it's a completely different and better fight

you haven't even fought him, just saw a meme pic with 2 dragons with spears in them

>>376915824
>the "you haven't fought him" defense

typical

>>376915292
I agree, but I'm still not getting why poise encourages using fast weapons with high crit damage.
I thought the point of the mechanic (if well implemented, kek) was to specificly counter those weapons and allow for using larger, slower weapons...
You know, theoretically you using a katana against me using full havel's would be uneffective because you wouldn't stagger me and I would have room to counter.

Did you mean it as an exploit or something?

>>376912157
thats midir senpai

>>376916409
The problem being that the large weapons cannot be used alongside high weight armor. You can wear havels, but anything heavier than a rapier will sent you fatrolling. I think the DS3 way where poise augments hyper armor inherent to weapon types is the best possible way.

>>376915824
Have YOU fought him?
He's a more annoying Kalameet who constantly flies around like an annoying cunt.

>>376916416
Midir is hardly anything like Kalameet.

>Try DS2
>Hub area is a poorly designed mess.
>Same goes for the first areas.
Nope. Im sorry but DS1, 3 and Bloodborne are still better.

>>376916601
>Giantdad.mp4

>>376915934
Have you though?

>>376916880
I am not the guy who made >>376912157

but I have not fought any bosses in that shitty Sunken King DLC

>>376916828
Giantdad is ruined by anyone who knows how to toggle and is wasting a ring slot. The entire point of giantdad is to have enough poise to absorb one hit then stunlock them to death, and it can barely do that. There's a reason Oroboro and his wimpy little falchion of death shits all over memedad.

>>376916601
I see, but fatrolling wouldn't be a problem for your character if backstabs weren't instantaneous...

Last question: Does DaS3 hyperarmor have anything to do with armor, or I can still tank hits from a greatsword while naked as long as I am in the midle of an attack?

WHO KEEPS MAKING THESE DARK SOULS TWO THREADS?

>>376917160
There are poise breakpoints for each weapon to absorb an attack. Greatswords will shred any weapon you try to use when you are naked, and you'll only be able to tank a straight sword with an ultragreat probably. Like I've stacked up 38 poise to use my halberd so I can trade with every fast weapon in the game.

>>376917160
Fatrolling means your opponent gets free hits on a helpless mid-roll fatty. I think they count against poise too.