Gameinformer's #1 RPG

Skyrim + Mods is legit one of the best games ever.

We know. We already laughed at it. Hell, even gamefaqs laughed at it. Hell, even fucking reddit laughed at it.

>>376879470
Still not really an RPG though.

>>376879369
Disgusting.

TODD

>>376879509
>Hell, even fucking reddit laughed at it.
Yeah? What have the fedorks moved on to?

>>376879619
No clue. The only reason I went there was to see their reaction.

>>376879369

majority of gameinformer are non-gamers who came there from shitty blog sites

If they even remotely mentioned any isometric CRPG vampire masquerade or morrowind their readers wouldn't understand because they are all 12 and casual gamers.

>not a single Legend of Heroes game in their top 100

Meme journalists. At least Persona got some respect.

>>376879369
No Zelda?

>>376879764
Zelda isn't an rpg

>>376879369
Skyrim is good and fun and deserves to be among the best fantasy rpg's. Not the best, but definitely among.

>Never played Elder Scrolls before
>Everyone is saying Skyrim is amazing
>Play Skyrim for the first time
>It's ok, got boring after about 30 hours
>/v/ says Skyrim is shit, Morrowind is GOAT
>Try out Morrowind
>RPG elements are way better, but overall gameplay is even worse than Skyrim
>Have yet to try Oblivion, but I can only assume it's bad
The Elder Scrolls is a mediocre series

>>376879760

Legend of heroes has a cheesey anime trope story that is retardedly simple.

There is nothing interesting about the story other than it spans over a few games.

>>376879826
In the course of my career as a vidcon specialist (my own coinage, spend it wisely), I have never seen such blatant and frankly sickening ignorance as that exhibited by the "people" (if, in fact, they are homo sapiens at all, as their intelligence implies elsewise) that claim that Zelda is not an RPG. There is nothing that Shigeru "Shiggy" Miyamoto could possibly do to make the vidcon any more of an RPG as it meets every single criterion for being one, particularly that it takes place in an imaginary realm with a fantastical beastiary, the damsel villain ratio is at or above standards, and that the core emphasis of the gameplay is on bedazzling all foes with impeccable swords and sorcery. Furthermore, this line of thought can be extended to all vidcons in which the player controls a character (hence, roleplaying), though I cringe slightly at the thought of such mundane vidcons as Madden being RPGs, as they do not even include exotic weaponry such as the tonfa.

>>376879872
>implying we don't already know this
That's what mods are for, dummy.

>>376879872
It has a few nice quests and a great expansion, but that's about it. Not worth playing.

Remember when GameInformer was fun?

They used to poke fun at Ben all the time and laugh at really shitty games.

>>376879369
>actually believing mainstream gaming """journalists""" have anything close to good/decent taste

nothing to see here boys

call me when they put Tactics Ogre, Romancing Saga 2, FFT, Vagrant Story, Legend of Dragoon or Skies of Arcadia in number 1

>>376879958
They are owned by Gamestop now

>>376879976
>Legend of Dragoon
That trash isn't even top 50; and somehow ascends to a higher meme status than Chrono Trigger.

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>>376879927

Gameinformer is nothing but DUDE HALO LMAO

whatever bullshit exclusives they "have" can be easily found online

>>376879470
Except it should be dragon quest since its the first to adopt d&d stats which is the foundation of rpgs and set them from plane old adventure games like adventure or zelda

>>376880024
ok gotta admit its not the best, but it had style

change LoD for Xenogears or Suikoden 2

>>376879898
No d&d stat system bro. You're an uneducated swine

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>>376879369
>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>Doesn't know how to use edit to rotate pictures

The Absolute Spastic.

>>376879369
It's like all the people who keep putting Skyrim at the top of these lists have never played a single western fantasy rpg in their lives

Skyrim's not even deep or complex, it's all shallow as fuck and mods are the actual reason they fuckin like it so much

>>376879369
Gameinformer needs to be shut down.

>>376879898
Where does this pasta originate?

>>376880353
Fairly certain that's from Barkley.

>>376879470
No it's not. No mods can change the game's fundamentals which are all shithouse.
Modding Skyrim is polishing a turd and then sticking on a couple of dicks.

We should just make our own review site. At this point even a bunch of retards from /v/ bashing their heads on their keyboards to type out a review would be more intelligent that what's already on offer.

>>376880456
>Wanting another review site run by compulsive liars

>>376879872
All bethesda games are like that, anon. It's a bunch of shit piled on top of even more shit, and underneath all THAT shit is a nice shiny gold turd.

>>376880497
They should make an ironic site in which they can shitpost their reviews.

>>376880003
>>376880456
>We should just make our own review site
Gather Your Party and The No Vidya, nigger.

The former is almost completely dead and the latter lasted maybe four months.

>>376879534
How is it not..?

>>376879369

I actually like Skyrim. I still boot it up every once in a while and complete a few quests.

The game is pretty fun and it even looks pretty good by todays standards. The music is still good as well.

Haters gon hate, but the game is fun.

>>376880027
>not modded skyrim.jpg
Embarrassing.

>>376880643
>Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines

No stats, no RNG, it's not an RPG. The setting is similar to what you'd find in one, sure. But they're Action-Adventure games.

>>376880737
>The game is pretty fun and it even looks pretty good by todays standards.
Today's standards include Witcher 3 and Zelda BOTW which look a thousand times better

the worst part is that you are basically just complimenting touched-up assets from oblivion, which was just touched up assets from morrowind, hence why the cheat trainer program from morrowind still gets a response from Skyrim, it's the same shitty core

>>376880837
Stats? Stats dictate what a roleplaying game is more than fucking roleplaying?

Get the fuck outta here with that.

Any best RPG list that has Skyrim or a SNES JRPG as No. 1 makes me want to punch a fucking wall.

>>376879369
What is vee's no.1 RPG?

>>376881071
What's the #1 RPG to you, then?

>>376881014
>Stats dictate what a roleplaying game is more than fucking roleplaying?
I guess that means Super Mario Bros. 3 is an RPG now. Fuck it. Let's make every game an RPG since you "roleplay" as a character in every video game.

You're using that word in the literal sense, when that doesn't define the genre the games fall under. If this is bait then congratulations, you got me to respond to the worst post I've read all night.

>>376879898
do people actually not know what an RPG is anymore?

>>376881071
Hello underage

>>376881156
Probably Deus Ex or Planescape Torment, I would guess

Apparently tabletop gamers will always say Morrowind is the closest to a perfect rpg for them

>>376881156
FFT:WotL or CT

>>376881348
>WOTL
>the worst version of FFT

>>376881193
Possibly Ultima IV.

>>376881274
I'm probably 15 years older than you.

>>376881156
Neverwinter Nights Platinum or whatever the last release was

>>376879369
>>376879369
Name your Top 2 WRPGs and Top 2 JRPGs

for me it'd be

>Ultima VI
>Witcher 3

and

>Suikoden II
>FF9

>>376881565
>Mount and Blade: Warband
>Diablo 1
and
>Dragon's Dogma
>Dark Souls 3

>>376879369
you made the mistake of cracking that fucker open famalam. Gamestop's sales-driven manifesto is a symptom of a major problem in the industry.

RPG ≠ role play
you can role play in mostly any game.

>>376881537
>loved the shit out of NWN campaign as a young teen and then years later as an adult
>go through story and all add-ons with one character, bought the devil's true name and made him kill himself
>'oh look a thread about NWN on /v/, i can't wait to share my adventu-'
>"worst campaign ever" "did anyone play this game for anything but dance with rogues??" "the rp online was so good"

clearly i never even stepped into the "real" meat of the game...

>>376881383
What's the difference?

>>376881156
Dude Sex

How are the Lunar:Silver Star and Lunar:Eternal games? I have been seeing them pop up after these rpg lists started getting posted.

>>376881220
And you're putting the genre into a very small scope if you are defining the difference between an RPG and an action game as "stats".

What you'd be better off focusing on is "character progression". The ability to build a character up from default into whatever you want. Options.

So Skyrim fits the bill, regardless of its quality. And if you wanna be autistic about it, then Skyrim let you level up health, magic, or stamina for whatever you focus on, and can improve skills and get perks for said skills. It's an RPG in your terms, too.

>>376881907
worse localization

>>376882080
>What you'd be better off focusing on is "character progression". The ability to build a character up from default into whatever you want. Options.
Character progression can just as equally be used to refer to how a character develops in regards to the story.

>>376882032
It's been years since I played them but they are from a point where the JRPG genre was just fucking knocking shit out of the park left and right, most anything from that era is worth running through and Lunar games aged better than, say, Legend of Dragoon

>>376882263
Sounds good. I see there are like 3 releases and remakes. Which is the best version?

>>376882080
You have no idea what an RPG is

>>376882453
PS1 version is more challenging (designed for you to win battles by the skin of your teeth)
Sega CD version is the most fancy.

PSP version is considered way too easy and changes some things


You can safely get the full experience from the PS1 ports of both games, but play the one on Sega CD if possible for you
GBA version is a joke

>>376882705
What is an RPG, then?

>>376882805
A game where the player has complete control over his character's stats and can make choices based off of those numbers, those numbers put up against other numbers, and his own idea of how he wants to act. That's what makes it roleplaying, not putting a point into dial wielding and suddenly beinb able to dual wield.

>>376882805
A game with a great epic story.

>>376883581
A character can start out with whatever weapon type they want to focus on. When leveling up, they can choose to operate that character as whatever they want. Want a magic-using alchemist? Focus on a few schools of magic and alchemy. Want to be a warrior bowman? Focus on the armor of choice and Archery. Want to be entirely sneaky? Focus on Sneak, Lockpicking and Pickpocket.

It's not "oh, I'll put a point in this and now I'm able to see everything in the pocket. You actually had to build up a tree to get a good skill from it. You start with something you ideally want to play as and go from there.

And before you pull "numbers" out of your hat, remember that a lot of the skills in the perk trees ARE percentage-based. "25% more damage to Destruction spells" for example.

>not putting a point into dual wield and suddenly bienb able to dual wield
You say this, but if I wanted to make my agile Monk in 3.5e do a flying kick that could actually be effective, I had to use one of my feats to do so.

Look, I'm not trying to say Skyrim deserves #1, but saying it's "not really an RPG" is stupid bullshit.

>>376881228
The people on /tg/ know

>>376879470
It's worse than both Oblivion with mods and Morrowind with mods.

>>376882805
A videogame RPG is a game with mechanics derived from old tabletop RPGs like D&D and others.

It has nothing to do with roleplaying. Real roleplaying games are about roleplaying. But a videogame can be an RPG even without any roleplaying whatsoever for as long as the mechanics are derived from the above.

>>376880837
>No stats, no RNG, it's not an RPG.

That's a JRPG. RPGs are all about choices heavily impacting the story and characters around you.

>>376880108
Dragon Quest games are just shitty wizardry clones. You must be underage

>>376879884
>Legend of heroes has a cheesey anime trope story that is retardedly simple.

So just like Persona?

>>376879470
so in order for Skyrim to be one of the best games ever, you need to install mods to completely change what the original game was?

>>376881228
>rpg
>role playing game
>you play the roll of link in a game
seems like an rpg to me

>>376884189
It's an open world action game, those trees don't amount to anything more than picking Warrior, Mage, or Rogue at the start and progressing through the game normally, you never use these "skills" in any meaningful way besides killing dudes the way you want to. Whether or not you sneak through an area or kill everyone inside, the outcome is exactly the same, and you can "roleplay" as a character who only uses magic in the same way you can "roleplay" as Link.

>>376879369

Horizon: Zero Dawn was on there too. I LIKED that game and I think that's insane

>>376885719
>open world action game
Oh, shut the fuck up, you don't have to say that it's a good RPG, but it's still a goddamn RPG.

>>376885719
BotW actually has more playstyles than Skyrim.

>>376884965
But those are things skyrim doesn't have

>>376885940
I'm sorry it's taken this long for you to find out, most people realized this back when it came out

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>>376879369
Wow what good taste they have. Remember to pick up your copy of Fallout 4 + Season Pass and Skyrim: Special Edition!

>>376879760
I am 31 and have played every classic in existence and it's the first time I even hear of that name

>>376881565
Planescape Torment
The Witcher

Final Fantasy 7
Valkyrie Profile

(Considering Dark Souls isn't a JRPG)

>>376879369
DUDE SKYRIM LMAO

Skyrim gets way too much undeserved hate as a knee-jerk reaction against its popularity and draw for "Casual normies."

Its not the best RPG ever by any stretch of the imagination, but it was still a damn good game. I REALLY didn't expect Skyrim of all games to have to be my "Fuck you I liked it." game on /v/.

>>376879705
>If they even remotely mentioned any isometric CRPG vampire masquerade
#98
>or morrowind
#21

>>376880108
The list is top 100 greatest, not most influential.

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>>376879470

>>376879872
And yet people claim morrowind is better than breath of the wild, kek

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>>376881156
>mediocre

That's being too nice senpai. Even just putting Skyrim aside the whole series prides itself too much having gigantic areas while putting nothing in them. It's just so fucked.

If you ever play Dragons Dogma it gives you a real sense of just how retarded an Elder Scrolls game thinks exploration and incentive to explore should be.

>>376881156
Deus Ex

Though if you want to tie RPG down to "You can't do anything shit unless you roll the (invisible) dice right" it's probably Fallout 2

>>376888353
You better pray for Todd to no see this

>>376890039
fucc
First one was for >>376879872

>>376879470
No it isn't. Skyrim is a shoddy normie trash game with horrendous combat.

>>376879470
You can't convince /v/ of this. Most of them are completely clueless about how much mods can change Skyrim.

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>>376879470
First of all no. It can make the overall experience better but I never finished this game even with all the mods because the base game is horrendous.

Secondly, they don't talk about the modded game, which makes this shit even more retarded. Anyone who says skyrim is a good rpg has no clue in my opinion.

>>376890134
>horrendous combat.
This
Now,you can make it prettier with mods
https://youtu.be/6vHd021a55Y?t=14s

But it's still awful

>>376890530
Are those a metric fuckton of plantar warts?

>>376879958
now they just poke fun at Dan Tack for having better taste in video games than them.

>>376890039
God damn the cherrypicking in that webm.

>>376881156
Violated Heroine or Vitamin Quest.

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>>376879470
Skyrim + mods reminds you of how much of a shitshow the game really is.

>>376879369
bunch of idiots

I'd place the list like this

>5 - Final Fantasy XIII
>4 - Skyrim
>3 - Overwatch
>2 - Fallout New Vegas
>1 - Fallout 4

>>376885719
sounds like Morrowind, oblivion, breath of fire,grandia, suikoden, radiata stories, xenosaga, nwn, dungeon siege, diablo, etc etc

>>376893751
LMAO

>>376879872
Oblivion is the perfect in-between.

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>not Omikron Nomad Soul

>>376890039
you know what's funny about this webm? that combat from all of them are shit. even fucking ESO have better melee combat

>>376886671
Then your lying

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>>376879369
well, they're right.
It's the #1 generic RPG

>>376879369
Gameinformer's top 100 greatest rpgs of all time:
>>376879369
#30 Persona 4
#19 Persona 5
#12 Fallout 3
#11 Bloodborne
#9 Baldur's Gate 2 Shadows of Amn
#5 Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
#4 Mass Effect 2
#1 Skyrim
#0 DnD

>>376879760
TLoH is shite

>>376894763
>mass effect 2
>good

>>376895146
Best ME to date.

>>376895210
the ranking is ME1>ME3>ME2.
the quality of a game is directly propirtional to how much of an RPG it is.

>>376895306
me1 is trash, kiddo. sorry about your nostalgia glasses, I guess

>>376879369
>can't even fucking rotate

You're probably the kind of person who says "holy shit!" when you see a formula in excel too.

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>>376879470
Alright /v/ what are some essential mods to make this hot pile of shit enjoyable

>>376893751
>overwatch
kek
i can actually see some kotaku or polygon article arguing overwatch is and rpg is some bizarre double think way and how the author discovered hes gay while playing it

>>376895383
it's a proper RPG. ME2 is a shooter and is therefore trash for casuals.

>>376895615
Modded Oblivion is better t b h (to be honest)

What's the greatest RPG that's under 10 hours?

>>376879369
That list makes it seem like theres really not a lot of good RPGs I mean even mass effect 1 made the list

>>376895659
baldurs gate is a proper rpg. whole of ME series is casual trash, kiddo

>>376895747
a good RPG is 100 hours minimum.

>>376879872
pretty much. Mods improve the games greatly, but vanilla TES has always been pretty mediocre.

>>376896131
11 Bloodborne
81 Destiny
84 Horizon Zero Dawn
91 Bastion


Some of those picks are real "what the fuck" moments.
I mean, Destiny? Fucking Bastion? Come on.

>>376896358
none of these are RPGs

I mean, what the fuck did you expect from a Gamestop, the king of normies, publication?

>>376896358
where is Divinity:OS?

>>376896358
Destiny being on there and that low is fine if you're looking at it with all the expansions intact, but the rest of those are not RPGs in the slightest

>>376897602
It's made by people who think skyrim is the best rpg you think they're going to put a real game up there?

>>376897602
Not sold at Gamestop.

>>376896358
wat

>>376879470
>Mods
Doesn't count.