This is a bad game.

>>376863493
I agree.

>>376863493
Yup

>>376863493
No.

>>376863493
I agree but it's still better than 2.

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>>376863493
Nope, was amazing for its time. Might not hold up now but it was great and has a great soundtrack.

Moving around felt so floaty

>>376863832
>nerf this

>>376863493
Yes, but somehow I still had fun with it. It's weird how Tails seems faster than Sonic, though.

There is no great Sonic game. Even Genesis Sonic was pretty meh compare to better 16 bit platformers at the time.

>>376863832
BRRRAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP

>>376863860
>Floaty
What the heck is grounded to you? Dark Souls?

>>376863942
Agreed.
>>376863832
>it's time
You mean a year?

>>376863832
>for it's time
>3 years after Mario 64 and nowhere close in quality

>>376864004
He's right though.

I swear to God, this game is fantastic on a Dreamcast.

I've played this a few times over the years since it came out on an actual Dreamcast and I don't get the hate.

I think the people who complain about Sonic Adventure would hate all 3D platformers from that era including Banjo and Crash.

>>376863493
True. Yet another garbage poorly aged 'classic' that only nostalgiafags think positively of.

>>376864293
I've played all three. You're wrong. Banjo and crash hold up fine.

>>376864293
I've fallen through the floor at least a dozen times, and that was just on the temple level. Never had that problem with Banjo, Crash, or Mario.

>>376863832
Skin tight suits really do help

>>376864385
when's the last time you played banjo and crash?

>>376864653
Banjo, last year. Crash, like three ago.

>>376864293
Fun fact: the Sonic Adventure DX ports that people play today are actually based on the buggy Japanese Dreamcast original release and not the improved International Dreamcast release, so they're actually glitchier than what you'd get playing it on the Dreamcast unless you're Japanese

>>376864813

well, then we can't move ahead with this conversation. we just have different preferences.

you're wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXHw8o6UI9M

>>376864948
I am >>376864606 and I've played both versions (Dreamcast more recently). I experienced more bugs on the Dreamcast version. Maybe I'm just unlucky.

>>376864948
I am Japanese in spirit

>>376865087
Ohayo

>>376865075
same here. That loop in windy valley was a bitch in particular

>>376864078
Mario 64 is unplayable.

>>376865678
And Sonic Adventure is? What are you smoking?

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can we all agree that the dreamcast models are far better than the gamecube ones? They're the perfect blend of classic and modern

>>376865678
That's weird. Worked when I played it.

>>376865678
no its not. And its infinitely more fun and holds up better than SA1

>>376863958
fuck off fart fetish poster

>>376865023
not him but you're simply wrong. You're tasteless if you honestly think SA1 holds up in quality compared to Banjo. SA1 wasnt better when it released and it isnt better now. Its not even comparable in design quality.

I don't get it. Whenever I see a thread like this I go back to play sonic adventure to see if it still holds up and I always end up enjoying myself. Am I just broken?

>>376864159
Why?

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>>376863832

>>376866739
No. It's a good game. People just like to complain because it's no Mario 64

Sonic >>> Tails > E-102 > Knuckles >>> Amy > Big

>>376866170
I honestly can't see what people find so good in Banjo. Like even 1 felt way too spacious and just felt like an oversized hub of individual level design ideas slapped together in one group instead of an actual mini-sandbox.
I felt it was completely pointless to play unless you really liked the character charm and music if you could play Bomberman Hero and Mario 64 instead.

>>376863493
Nah fuck off, its the only good 3D game

>>376866970
it should be sonic > tails
their gameplay styles are literally the exact same thing, just get to the goal and do it quick

>>376864078
I'm playing through right now and it sure as fuck is playable.

>>376863493
nowadays, yeah
when it came out it was fuckin impressive, but 18 years is quite a lot

>>376866970
Switch E and Tails

>>376866980

>even 1 felt way too spacious

I disagree with this. To this day BK is my gold standard for open world level design because you can go anywhere in a level yet it rarely wastes your time with space for the sake of space. Click Clock Wood strays from this sort of focused design but even that is mitigated by its seasonal gimmick. With rare exception I hate running around large worlds pointlessly and BK generally avoids this with grace, you're always within eyeshot of a point of interest and I appreciate it for that. It might be small by open world standards but at least it doesn't beat around the bush.

>>376867141
It's Sonic light. Like a quarter of Sonic's gameplay.

>>376867141

I can accept that, besides it's pretty fun to break some levels like Windy Valley as Tails.

>>376867175

Nah, E-102 is cool but Tails can be stupid in all the right ways thanks to flight.

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>>376864078
Fuck off. I'm so sick of people comparing every early 3D platformer to Mario 64. NO EARLY 3D GAMES REACHED MARIO 64 QUALITY. Banjo didn't do it, Crash didn't do it, Rayman didn't do it. No one did.

Good things about Adventure:
-Open World
-Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy all playable in 3D
-E-102
-Chao Garden
-Kickass Soundtrack
-Perfect transition of physics from 2D platforming into the 3D world.

Bad things about Sonic Adventure:
-Lack of things to do in the hubworlds (unleashed did this better)
-Big the Fat
-The engine aged like milk and the game needs re-made

>>376866170

Banjo takes the credit that rightly belongs to Mario 64. The case could be made that Sonic Adventure was better back then because it just explores more ideas and play styles. It also has a better soundtrack and art style. To deny this would be tasteless.

But you're right - Banjo is more well liked today. However, not many people liked its spiritual successor Yooka-Laylee even though it replicates that experience very well.

Could you be wrong as well?

>>376867746
I'd argue yooka laylee didn't replicate it well at all. Levels are too big and very little stands out in them.

>>376863493
You're wrong. It's a great game.

>>376863493
Sonic was a much more difficult franchise to translate to 3D than even Zelda or Mario, it was natural that the first outing would be pretty awkward, but it wouldn't matter if they focused on improving on their ideas in the future games.

Sadly things didn't work out, SA2 improved it a little but it also fucked a lot of things up. After that the games went in dumb directions and now we're stuck with dumb shit like Mania and Sonic Boom.

If anything else I appreciate the Sonic Adventure games principally

Lots of shit taste ITT. Sonic Adventure 1 is a great game with good ideas. It was ambitious as fuck for its time and people's jaws probably fucking dropped when they played it back in 1998. You piece of shit faggots are in denial. Accept that it's a decent game with a kick ass soundtrack. Accept it you nigger.

>>376869896
This, you aren't the only one ITT who loves it anon

refer to
>>376867628

>>376863493
It's okay, imo.

The classic games aren't fun why do people like them so much? Is it the chibi artstyle? It can't be the gameplay. Honestly I had much more fun with Sa1,Sa2, Heroes, and Shadow than any of the classics. Sadly after those games, everything went to shit. 06 was supposed to be Sa3, it was supposed to be the magnum opus of Sonic Games, and it just failed so hard. I think because of this, Sonic Team is completely afraid to touch anything in the "sa3" area and it makes me sad.
I would even be happy for a Sonic 06 reboot/remake that replaces the engine altogether with the hedgehog engine, replaces the elise gameplay with normal gameplay, and overall fixes the technical problems with the game. I think if they were given more time they could salvage the game.

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>>376870154
This, the classic games are overrated as fuck. I'd take Heroes over those games any day of the fucking week

>>376867746
what kind of argument is this? Banjo stole credit from mario64? Banjos not actually good because yooka isnt.


what the fuck

best sonic game coming through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV493ncWwyk

>>376870357
>heroes over Sonic 2 or S&K

jesus christ

>>376870357

Luckily, you're in the minority.

>>376870410
So, it's okay to say Sonic Adventure has aged but I describe the same situation happening with Banjo (Yooka-Laylee proves the formula is not timeless) and you kvetch.

what the literal fuck

>>376870471
it's such a shame, they brought back so many classic levels, ideas, and references...all for a lego game

>>376870546

No you faggot both have aged in certain respects, although i found SA1 bad even for its time.

This is what I have a problem with

>(Yooka-Laylee proves the formula is not timeless)

Yooka is a completely different game, what the fuck is wrong with you.

>>376863493
It's decent at best.

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>>376867628
>Good things about Adventure:
>Open World

It's impressive how you managed to be so wrong with just six words

>>376870672

what a cop out.

>spiritual successor to banjo-kazooie
>by the same people
>a completely different game

keep revealing your blinders.

>>376870730
wtf?

Dude. How can you even reason like this

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Today I realized this post was made over a decade ago.

>>376867628
>Chao Garden
>Good
This meme will never fucking die

>>376870784

you have offered on evidence on how YL is a completely different game.

your head is in the sand.

>>376870954

Old 4chan looks like it knew how to have fun. Fun is nice.

>>376871042
kek

nevermind

>>376870954
Cant believe /v/ used to be this cancerous. This board is so much better now.

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>>376863958
>mfw brap posting literally and unironically gave me a fart fetish

>>376863493
Fuck yourelf, no it isn't. It'd translate very well into current gen if you just expand upon what SA built. Could you fucking imagine online Chao races and battling and shit? Multiple secret levels to discover via exploration with each character, etc. Would be fantastic.

>>376871242
>Could you fucking imagine online Chao races and battling and shit?

sounds fucking boring

>>376869896
I'll admit, it probably was ambitious to decide to make a shitty platformer years after everyone had figured out how to make good ones.

>>376871420
lol

>>376871242
I could care less about Chao, but I want more playable characters back, no Sonic game should go without Knuckles and tails being playable at least. Also this 2.5D shit has got to fucking go, it has ruined the series.

>>376870954
why does /v/ back then sound like 9gag?

>lulz
>=D

what the FUCK

New rule: If you talk shit about the Adventure games your skin turns fucking black

No exceptions

>>376871685
because 9gag's population is 4chan users that spread the site's way of posting, which it got stuck in there, and then went to other places.
why do you think rage comics is hated here now? it got mainstream and the faggots on this place stopped using it for that. same happened to lulz and emoticons
and because back then a good deal of people here were underaged, now they al grown up and they are dead inside

>>376863493

it is, and its sequel is even worse

>>376866739
It is a fun game, just very broken and unfinished, enough so that "bad" is not an unreasomable descriptor.

>>376866739
No you're normal, and not an autistic classicfag that whines to get their way for 20 years and still isn't happy with what they get.

>>376871685
because you're a newfag. Thats what 4chan and internet culture was back then. The reason it sounds like reddit and 9gag is because 4chan was influential. Once those places started copying memes and shit from 4chan it stopped being cool on 4chan. Besides that most people were 14 years old.

Queue you newfags who show up in 2012 and see how cynical the place has become and you perpetuate it to an absurd degree. Its why all games are considered shit on /v/ and any kind of genuine attempt to start a conversation is shilling.


Thanks you fucking faggot.

>>376872319
Would you really say 5 years ago is new?

>>376872491
yes

>>376872491
out of the +10 years this hellhole has been online, yes

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>>376871352
>sounds fucking boring

Listen here you fucking child, you need to go and raise some fucking Chao. In SA and SA2, you came for the Sanic levels and you stayed for the tamagotchi races. Until you go and raise some Chao, you will never understand the unbridled sense of joy you get from your Chao winning its first race, like you've just raised your own child. So go boot up your Dreamcast and go pet some fucking Chao.

You DO have a Dreamcast, right?

>>376867628
The physics in Sonic Adventure was fucking horrendous.

>>376872606
You're retarded, it was almost verbatim classic physics but in 3D. It was closer to classic physics than Sonic 4, that's for damn sure.

>>376870954
Jesus Christ, all this is just cringeworthy, it's like fucking leddit.

Say what you want about 4chan these days, but it's better than it used to be.

>>376872695
Oh ya, fucking amazing, the feeling of being on a fucking ice rink 24/7

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>>376870283
>Gamma was just an afterthought in Sonic's awkward jump to 3D
>He could've been in literally any other game, such as one of the classic games
>He will never appear in another game ever again
>They replaced him with Omega
>They don't even fucking use Omega
This will never not make me mad. They wasted such a great character on a game that would've been better off without him.

>>376865824
Only if we can agree that his Unleashed model is literally perfect.

>>376872779
If you want ice physics, shadow is the go to for that I think. Holy shit that games controls are bad.

>>376872586
yes i own a dreamcast and SA1 is my least valuable game to me in my collection

>>376863493
It is. It controls awfully and has a short campaign.

>>376872779
>implying
You're fucking gay, and retarded, Classic Sonic has the most horrendous icy controls yet, not to mention the fucking bumpers and springs facing the wrong way. The game punishes you for going fast.

>>376872843
All those polygons mang

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>>376870954
>Unfunny OP
>rolf
>lol'd
>I shat bricks!
>loled hard
>this is too hilariously stupid to not deserve a screencap
>curse you anoymous
>Good job, Anoymous! =D

Holy fuck, people miss this?

>>376872716
no, it's as shit as ever was, it's just that nowadays is a different color of shit:
back then were more people talking like faggot; now we have unironical, insufferable faggots acting like cynical pieces of shit.

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Nothing you say can convince me that the ability to engender nostalgia isn't a tangible and praiseworthy element of videogame design, even if it's unintentional.


I think I could objectively say that, say, Jak and Daxter is a better platformer than Sonic Adventure 2
But I can fucking remember the stupid ass Soap shoe and Phantasy Star Online advertisements in SA2 with the terrible garage rock playing in the background while all I remember of Jak is that it had some stupid edgy sequels

>>376872975
>Shill
>cuck
>shit game
>take it to /vg/
>reddit

Holy fuck, people prefer this?

>>376872975
No, they probably miss being young and everything they associate with it.

>>376863493
It's better than Sonic Adventure 2 in almost every way.

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>>376863832
WHOOOOOOOOO

>>376873118
Then /reddit/ is just for you

>>376873237
No thanks, the front page is just the same news story about trump 20 times these days.

>>376873029
I find both Adventures did some things very well even if they're garbage 3D platformers and conceptually flawed. I don't believe it's nostalgia speaking.

>>376863493
it is objectively bad

however it will always be one of my favorites

>>376863832
*BLART*

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>>376870283
Gamma will forever be the best sonic character.
On a similar note, it Sa3 ever happens, an insane rogue beta should be the main villain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47EB-v-lG3A

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>>376873558
kind of hard considering beta is blown up with gamma at the end of sonic adventure, and eggman kept the egg pawn as the to-go multipurpose badnik since heroes, and the old clasic ones since colors
>inb4 he introduces something like the E-15000 series in sonic forces

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>>376873558
Why would Eggman rebuild a robot that he didn't even see die?
I'd rather have the unseen E-100 robots (106-122) as bosses in a future Sonic game.

It was arlight. Wish it had more levels like speed highway. Enjoyed all the characters besides big and his fishing. The game is terribly unpolished though, to the point where going even through scripts is a life or death moment. Amazing music and everything has a nice aesthetic despite being a 1999 game, i can easily see how it must have blew minds back in the day. Id give it a 6 or 7

Okay. Hear me out.

Chao Karate with Tekken gameplay

>>376875329
>forgetting that sega has virtua fighter
this triggers the segafag

>>376873398
pretty much this

>>376867628
On top of your other b8 you now imply SA1 had a good soundtrack

The only good sonic soundtrack is SA2

>>376867539
my nigga

Theory: everyone ITT who likes SA1 is a teenager.

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This is a good game.

>>376875462
What's a Virtua Fighter? I only play Miku and Yakuza.

>>376863493
liked it when I was a kid. played it recently and I hated every second.
seriously fuck these games

>>376875719
https://youtu.be/UjFMSsKUjLY
https://youtu.be/OGLvxK-sb4k
https://youtu.be/JcRsqVM3l5k
https://youtu.be/Vt8DgD4fXd4
https://youtu.be/PKs5dBfcB9g
https://youtu.be/8dG_K8jmY6E
https://youtu.be/1-K164j-5RQ

>>376875719
SA had much better music on average, while on SA2 everything not running and treasure hunting related was just awful.

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>>376876138
you joke but the idea of people not recognizing other sega games besides yakuza and project diva saddens me, but then again, that's pretty much sega's fault for not bringing their shit to the west, and their inability to promote any other of their games that is not sonic

>>376876649
Terrible music that's nowhere near as creative and meticulously composed as SA2.
>>376876761
No, most of SA1 is just a bunch of textural background music.

>>376877002
Pumpkin Hill is overrated.

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>>376863493
It's an okay game with a lot of shit parts.
Sonic's pretty great (if mildly clunky, thanks camera), Tails is okay (Sonic stages but in a race with flying bits), Knuckles is tolerable (radar doesn't suck -- kind of wish there was more in SA1 to be honest). That's most of the game, and you can literally play only those sections if you want without a care about the rest.
Maybe the worst thing about Sonic's stages is Lost World, fuck that stage.
Bosses are surprisingly okay for the most part (some suck pretty badly, Gamma's are a wasted opportunity). The graphics are great for the time, other than the awful cutscene animation.
The soundtrack is fantastic.

But there's still so much shit that hurts like hell.
Big is dull and has nothing to do with the plot or anything, Amy's stages are awful and she's kind of clunky, and Gamma is unreasonably clunky even though a timer-based mech shooting thing should be right up Sega's alley. The story is kind of shit and the cutscenes are fucking awful even by 1998 standards.
The game is buggy as hell and automated pathing will break (surprisingly common) and Sonic has an awful tendency to fall through the floor (which is rare, but it shouldn't fucking happen, it doesn't happen in SA2 at least).

>>376865824
The DC model is great, but the DX model is mostly fucked over by DX's completely gimped lighting.

>>376864293
It's cool to hate Sonic nowadays

>>376872779
>ice rink
SA1 (and SA2) is a game where you can run forward full tilt, do a nearly 90 degree turn immediately, and then stop on a dime. Ice rink is the fucking opposite.

>>376877204
Pkr over at Sonic Retro is making a list of everything Sega broke when porting Sonic Adventure from Dreamcast to Gamecube in his work porting the old assets to the Sonic Adventure Deluxe PC port

>>376877365
it's been cool to hate Sonic for over ten years now
actually fuck, even longer: after Heroes, it started to become cool to hate Sonic, the post Sonic '06-era simply doubled down on it

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Remember to play Sonic Adventure Deluxe with mods for the best experience

Everything Sonic apart from the first three Genesis games is a steaming pile of doodoo.

>>376877501
Yea, it's great. All the DC assets and sets, including DC lighting has been implemented. I've been playing it for the past couple of days having a blast and it looks good.

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>>376877825
https://twitter.com/pkr_sadx

It's a great break from all the Shadow the Hedgehog/Silver the Hedgehog and Sonic 06 mods from the past 9 years.

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THUNDER RAIN AND LIGHTNING
DANGER WATER RISING

>>376878246
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beNfj2tlQ1o

>>376878246
I'm still mad they played the generic dramatic music in the second phase. What the fuck were they thinking? That's when the cool music should kick in!

>>376876138
>Virtua Fighter
Yeah I love Dead or Alive

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>>376870283
>mfw that part where Amy stops him and Sonic from killing each other

>>376872491
Anyone who didn't post here during the Bush years is new

>>376872843
Yes. They ruined the proportions on the Generations model.

>>376872491
Anyone on here post 2010 is a newfag automatically. You're only allowed to post if you've been on here longer than 10 years.

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Pumpkin Hill is the best theme in SA2 hands down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiiCm7hvqpI

>>376873159
Sonic Adventure 2 had a way shorter dev time and like 1/10th the dev team. No shit it's worse.

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>>376880740
All memes aside, Rouge had the best tracks.

>>376877204
>The story is kind of shit
A lot of this is due to mistranslation. You know how all the characters perceive what happened differently? That didn't happen in the Japanese version. Most of the translation is so fucking off that it's a miracle that any of it is comprehensible.

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>>376880904
All memes aside you're right, her music has a comfy jazz club vibe to it. Meteor Hill is still my favorite because it has a cool Toonami-like vibe to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjYPOAjH9s8

>>376880860
Yeah that's part of the problem.

>>376880904
I have 70 hours of this game on steam. goddamn it is good.

>tfw still have the full soundtrack for SA2 on my PSP
Shame the PSP only ever got that shitty Sonic Rivals game

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>>376863493

>This is a bad game.

It's actually a very good game. You just have to get better at the controls:

TAS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJrbxgxOSIs

Non-TAS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa49l7FoW4

>>376869896
This msn gets it.

>>376880740
Pumpkin Hill is my jam

>>376863493
Yeah sonic adventure 2 was better and had the best ost