>make best boy >is the useless party member of the game Why?

>>376853806
Get gud
I pretty much replaced ryuji with him and kept him in the rest of the game

Because he's not

He's the third most useful party member, meaning he should be on your party.

>the useless party member
>not Morgana

>useless

He's great for mob clears, just gets outshined by ryuji for boss fights

>>376853975

>haru

>useless

More like my main DSP together with MC.
Also free Sukukaja and bonus damage after baton pass.

>>376853806
He covers ice weaknesses, and baton passing to him increases the power of his AOE physical move which clears most hoards of enemies

he isn't useless. outclassed maybe, but that doesn't matter. The MC can fill any role in the party anyways so I don't understand the point of this thread. Even in late game he was good for spamming that Ma-Evasion/speed spell

>>376853806
wot? yusuke is the second strongest physical damage dealer of your party

Honestly depending on the situation he can even out do ryuji.

>>376853916

He doesn't get Charge, he is objectively inferior to Ryuji.

Party member ranking based on usefulness

Goro > Ryuji > Haru > Yusuke > Ann > Mokoto > Morgana

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>>376853806
Nah he's main lineup bby. His evasion is boosted so high he's untouchable

>>376853806
He gets Heatwave first. Large damage against an entire enemy party is incredibly useful.

>>376854237
switch yusuke and ann and I agree.

Ann is a fucking power house. Mokoto and Morgana are tied honestly.

They're not shit but all they're mostly good for is their heals and dispells.

>>376853806
If you baton pass x2, his Rising Slash wrecks shit.

>>376854041
She's a better physical attacker and crits for way more dmaage than Morgana

>>376853806
Everyone in the party is useful. You're a failure not to be resourceful.

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>>376853806
you know who is a really useless party member?

Morgana. Fuck Morgana

He has Sukukaja, which alone makes him superior to Ryuji who miss more than hits.

>>376854187
Who cares when the games not even that hard

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>>376853975
Morgana covers win weakneses, has miracle punch which gives yu an extra turn to baton pass to anyone, and has great healing spells. And also a high magic stat, even if outclassed by Ann anyone with a brain can find use for any party memeber even if they are not objectively the best. Also Morgana's awakened Persona looks pretty cool, if anything's a flaw, is how bad Zoro looks.

>>376854041
The hell are you on, Haru is one of the best party members because she can cover gun skills without using any bullets, also covers the psychic attribute attacks AND carries status ailments moves but if you're one of those people who sees that as useless, she also carries Heat Riser.

>Morgana
>useless

No wonder you fags have trouble with this game.
He can deal decent damage AND has mediahan.

>>376854041
>Gets heat riser, amrita shower, triple down, one shot kill, snipe, cripple
>Useless

>>376854187
He doesn't but pretty sure a baton pass amps the damage of his abilities to equal that of a charge.

Charge is 2.5x baton pass skills improve by 1.5x but they also get a damage boost on top of that which i believe stacks with mataru

>>376854329
I'd argue Makoto is a better pick than Morg
>More rounded stats
>nuke doing more follow-up damage in more situations than wind
>better SP pool
>Better tankiness thanks to party def+ as well as psy being rarer than lighting damage
>Crazy good end-game equipment from persona itemization
>An ass that doesn't quit

>>376854484
Oh Skull, you're pathetic.

>>376854331
>baton pass x2

x2? Does baton pass increase damage even more per pass?

My party was Ryuji, Makoto, and Yusuke. I never felt that one of them was dragging the team down on hard mode.

Git fucking good.

>>376854639
Forgot about Miracle Punch with some Luck equipments grants you a free critical almost everytime.

He's the second best dpt til ann gets concentrate and is still relevant for most of the game since without grinding ann gets concentrate right before the final boss, once you get hifumi to r10 you can switch him in battle for makoto/morgana for a heal and just run dpt til you're going low

>>376854517

It's not whether or not the game is hard enough to warrant it, it's just a fact.

>>376854698
Yeah, the message says attack is greatly improved.

>>376854237
??

You have no idea how these games work. I hope it's your first cause that order is dreadful

>>376853806
He's better than Ryuji.

Until he learns Charge that is.

>>376854643
Nigga he gets god hand and charged with that on top of attack boost he's way better Yusuke

>baton passes

Yeah good luck with bosses where you're actually fighting someone that's some pose of challenge

>>376854849
>Charge
>Miss

T-thanks Ryuji

He's more useful than Ryuji against strong random encounters because all he needs is a baton pass to deal major damage. Ryuji on the other hand is a boss killer for his matarukaja and charge.

>>376854329
You can get her ultimate equipment by level 51 abusing Velvet loli's max rank skill.

Salvation isn't as good as a skill as you think because, it's a huge SP drain and final boss has unique status effects. All bosses have a crit resistance so Miracle punch loses effectiveness during boss fights. Masukunda is inferior to Debilitate since most bosses are fought solo.

At least when Makoto has nothing to do on her turn she can raise the parties defense.

>>376854849
Ryuji gets Swift Strike really early on, though, and that's one of the strongest moves in the game.

>>376854920

>what is masukukaja

>>376854920

>Sukunda/Debilitate on boss
>No more misses

ROCKET SCIENCE

I don't get why Ryuji is considered so good.
Maybe it's because I played on Merciless but he missed 90% of his attacks. No jokes.
Changed him out as soon as Yusuke showed up.
Then I never used Ryuji again up till the final bosses for his Matarukaja.

>>376854237
First of all you need to divide this between damage dealers and obvious support characters like Makoto and Morgana. Haru is a mixed bag since she has plenty of support and damage dealing options but doesn't really have the skill slots to be both at once without gimping either of her capabilities.

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Why do Emperors suffer from autism?

>>376853806
Not useless for those who want to clean mobs fast during their first playthrough. Then again fusing good persona is better than leaving the work to your team mates.

>>376854237
It's like you only look at the Skillset list from wiki and read some comments in order to make this ranking.

>>376855210
Maybe Swift Strike is early game Hassou Tobi.

But you are not going to let Yusuke down are you?

>>376855421
Since when Akihiko and Kanji have autism?

>>376855386
>missed 90% of his attacks

Can't buy this when you say Yusuke doesn't miss. No character has better accuracy than the other without buffs

>>376855665
Since when did they not?

>>376853806

>Masukukaja
>BP synergy
>Good stats overall

He doesn't nuke shit to death like Ryuji but he's still good.

Morgana is by far the worst by endgame

>>376855665
>muh protein

>>376855672
>No character has better accuracy than the other without buffs

Yeah man
It's not like each character has their own Personas with their own stats.
I don't even have to look to tell you that Ryuji's Persona has lower Agility than Yusuke's.

>>376854679
Makoto's +10 everything gun is absurd, also salvation is a bit of an sp drain to be using it constantly as your party wide heal instead of mediarahan unless you're really fucked from both damage and status conditions, energy shower is pretty good since it cures the most crippling status conditions in the game. Psi damage is also rarer than elec damage so she'll be exploited less often.

>>376853806
>that sword
>that pose
OH SHIT! IS THERE SOME SWEET ASS IAIDO IN THIS GAME!?

>>376854701
Replace Yusuke with Haru, she might not have Sukukaja but she has that gunplay.

>>376855210
Meanwhile Yusuke gets a single target tiny dick hassou tobi.

>>376855742
>Akihiko lost sister
>gets stronk to protect close ones
>Kanji has hobbies that are considered feminine
>in result he is laughed at and has social anxiety
Nigger, getting fixated on something or being socially awkward isn't automatically autism.

>>376854750
Doesn't make him useless if you can use him, as op was stating

>>376854237
>Goro in first

Actual retard in this thread.

>>376855878
Breh it's minimal, saying 90% is like acting as if Yusuke's stats are literally way higher than Ryuji's. Just buff accuracy and you should hit enemies. You legit gotta be bullshiting a party member can miss 9/10 of his attacks just on base level

>>376855870
>>BP synergy
Which is useless in bosses.

>>376855665
since persona q

>>376854187
Who need ryuji having the main character with Yoshitsune?

>>376854041
She is the most versatile and useful party member in the game. Sadly.
Because I fucking hate her personality and design.

>>376856414
Is it even canon? Because I heard it pretty much destroys Akihiko and any redeeming values of Chie.

>>376856437
That persona you can't get til last dungeon?

>>376856479
It just shifts his training obsession to training+protein

>>376856031
Yes, Yusuke uses that weapon type and assault rifles as his guns. His persona are Ishikawa Goemon and Susanoo and his element is ice.

>>376856560
>Not maxing the twins confidant

>>376855210
>swift strike
Why should I wait for Ryuji when I could get it from doing the Strength S.Link with Matador ?
Even then I still used Yusuke for his consistent damage dealing until Ryuji learned Charge.

>>376854237
>Ann that low

Somebody didn't stack fire amp and fire boost.

Real list right here

Ryuji>Ann>Haru>Makoto=Morgana>Yusuke>Goro

>>376856414
and Arena

>>376856680

Regardless if you max Strength or not, you won't be able to get Yoshitsune because Futsunashi is only available on Magician rank 10, which happens on the last day.

>>376856724
>wait.
You're not going to be getting your Strength confidant to max before level 32.
Unless you're playing on NG+, and at that point, why would you even give a shit?

>>376856724
>>376857081
Also, I don't see what's wrong with having 2 people using one of the strongest skills in the game. I never really found Yusuke to get near the level of damage Ryuji could do unless it was off of a baton pass. Even then it's only a single enemy.

>>376856641
I may just have to buy this game now. I haven't played persona since two though. What's the story this time, what do the phantom thieves do? Also how does the event timing thing work, you have to manage your time and can't roam freely? That really turned me off to it.

>>376856724
MC Does everything better than a party member. There's no reason to choose Yusuke when he offers you nothing over Ryuji besides boosts after baton pass which is useless on bosses and rarely better than another weakness exploiting move + all out attack

>>376854679
There is literally no reason to use Morgana over Makoto except for miracle punch to knock down enemies. Makoto is the tankiest party member with marakukaja and the second best mage. She loses out to Ann obviously since she doesn't get concentrate, but she still gets a severe spell. Mediarahan is all you need, salvation and samarecarn are a waste of sp in this game. Nuclear is the best offensive type and psychic is the least dangerous weakness. Compound that with her outrageously over powered final weapons and I'd go so far as to call her the best party member.

>>376857081
I don't get your point. You need to fuse Matador in early rank Strength and getting Death arcana to Rank 7 allows me both Invigorate 3 and enough bonus to level Matador until he learns Swift Strike. Death is one of the easiest links you can level up in the beginning.

>>376857235
Ryuji has weak AGI/EVA stat so at the beginning his AoA moves miss more than hit. Late game he does shine.
Yusuke has high AGI/EVA stat and learns speed master quite early, making him dodging attacks and dealing damages more consistently.
I used both of them at the same time.

>>376857443
Miracle punch to knock down enemies makes him more useful than Makoto who has to constantly blow sp to be useful. She's better spent in reserve using her SP pool to heal everyone

>>376857408
Yusuke is better for taking care of midbosses and regular enemies. He also gets masukakaja which is always useful. Until Ryuji gets charge Yusuke is better than him

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>>376857734
>Masukaja over Matarukaja

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It's summer vacation and this bisexual faggot keeps messaging me every day to hang with him.

I mean, I don't have anything against him personally but can't he just chill a bit? I just want to hang out with Makoto or play some videogames but he keeps wanting to make plans with me like I'm the only friend he has.

Like, I think your paintings are cool dude but can you chill a bit?

>>376854041
>tetrakarn
>god tier crits
>gun is a get out of jail free card
>fast heal prevents your team from being chain CCd
Holy fuck how are you playing this game?

>>376858051
Normies like you wouldn't understand.

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The Yusuke shilling is unreal.

People wanna real make up shit that Ryuji misses most of his attacks.

Face it, Yusuke is only good for scrubs while Ryuji is better for real battles on bosses.

>>376853806
Thanks is basically Chie done right.

>>376853806
In a single target fight you might as well use him until Ryuji gets Charge.

Ann being so highly rated doesn't make sense to me since Haru or any other physical damage dealer is objectively better when no weaknesses are accounted for. Triple shot hits three times against the entire field and she gets both boosts for it along with Heat Riser. Ann was never the top damage out of my party even though I kept her in since her Strength debuff is very useful.

>>376853806
He seriously has nothing over the other members by endgame
>Ann learns concentrate
>Ryuji gets charge
>Makoto can heal and deals okay damage
>Haru has heat riser and good gun abilities
>Morgana at least gets samarecarm and salvation
Why use him by endgame? Unless you just like him more than one of the others.

>>376858393
Because late bosses do reflect physicals at certain points and she is the strongest magic attacker and only one with concentrate. Haru for me was to weak to tank attacks like Morg.

Is p5 the easiest Persona yet? I think I used maybe 2 revival beads total and recarm zero times
I did play on normal though, I don't know how harder it is on higher difficulties but I can't imagine it's that different

>>376858393
Nevermind about Ann, I forgot she gets concentrate late into the game. But up until then I think physical is the better route for damage.

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>>376858265
doing the 5 micro dmg hits can turn any battle in your favor especially when you have buffs up.

Yusuke is literally god tier team-mate in every sense.

>>376858684
What about that one dungeon that forces you to use magic? Shit was the worst area for me

>>376858627
>normal

>>376858265
>Yusuke is only good for scrubs
That's what people in this thread are saying since OP states that he is useless. Learn2read.

How do I make Makoto's ultimate weapons?

>>376857236
>What's the story this time, what do the phantom thieves do?
Teenagers gain access to a metaverse through a navigation app distributed by Igor, in this metaverse worlds are created based on the perceptions and cognitive differences between individuals, particular people with extremely distorted views have Palaces in their worlds which are sustained by core treasures which usually something of great personal value related to how they ended up. Phantom thieves steal these treasures to remove the drive/desire from criminals that are usually ignored, protected or can't get something pinned on them to confess to their crimes.

Time management usually allows you to perform 2 activities per day during the daytime/afternoon or evening. These activities range from social stat raising ones (required to initiate/get past certain ranks of specific social links), hanging out with your social links, or dungeon diving. Social links in P5 give a lot of bonus abilities on top of providing more xp for when you fuse a persona of their arcana, for example when you go dungeon diving usually you're too tired to do anything in the evening but the Temperance rank 10 ability lets you call your teacher to give you a massage to perk you back up to do something besides going to bed.

There are a lot of plot days you can't do anything apart from watching cutscenes and sleeping so go in expecting to not be able to do whatever you want every day.

>>376859019
Execute Michael

>>376858837
Are you talking about the Space Station? Because that one area is such a grind with those fucking elephants that tank hits too hard for magic users and repel all physical to prevent any real damage making every encounter take a decade. The entire month of September sucked as well, and the only way they could make the boss an actual threat is by forcing that political marriage plot and have the characters constantly repeat the same soundbites on how horrible he is for running a company.

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>>376854910
>he didn't do the Tower SLink

>>376853806
I'd argue that's morgana.
With the lowest hp and defense of everyone he's by far the frailest character, the little bastard seems to get ko'd every third fight.
At a little over lv20 he;s not a full level behund everyone else since ko'd members don't get exp at the end of a fight (or less. either way) and of course even further behind MC.
He can't even serve as the heal slave when shit is one shotting him.

Mona isn't exactly on my good side anyway, cockblocking me at every single venue of what should be free time and making sure you know he thinks Ryuji is a useless piece of shit every twelve seconds.

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>debate is Yusuke v Ryuji for some reason
With how biased this game is towards phys skills I don't know why you'd not use both.

>>376859205
If you've played other megaten games you'd have known Girimehkala is weak to Hama/Light. And even then he's susceptible to ailment.

>>376857408
>rarely better than another weakness exploiting move + all out attack
Usually against the strong mob enemies like Anubis or anything else without a weakness, it's much better to baton pass to Yusuke for a rising slash than doing an AoA. I've tried both, baton pass boosted moves that gain additional power from baton pass really helps out.

>>376859305
How can people hate Mona?
Hes my main healer.

>>376859205
Just use Kouga faggot.

>>376856337
so? just keep him for the dungeon and then switch him out during the boss

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Goemon > some shitty guy accused of being a pirate

>>376858308
Chie actually got god hand and charge in vanilla p4

>>376854237
Ryuji and Ann are the best damage dealers.

Makoto is the best support.

Anyone else you don't really need.

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>>376859205

Wait, let me deathbound your entire party real quick

>>376858051
He wants you to feed him.

>>376858265
>Ryuji is better for real battles on bosses.

yeah and he sucks against the common horde of enemies
Every time I try to baton pass him with Swift Strike, HE MISSES like 2 of the 3 enemies

>>376859658
>Manlet relying on extreme elevator sandels so people think he's tall
>being better than a fucking captain on a boat

>>376859205
>that tank hits too hard for magic users
Aren't those elephants also resistant to fire?

>>376859658
Blackbeard looks way cooler than Goemon
Too bad Ryuji's ultimate Persona looks like shit

Susano > Donkey Kong

>>376858051
You are his only friend though. No one talks to him at school

>>376859019
michael for her 10+ everything gun
cybele for her high crit chance knife fists

>>376859786
>Every time I try to baton pass him with Swift Strike, HE MISSES like 2 of the 3 enemies

Lies and more lies

For scrubs you should be washing them yourself and baiting all out attacks to onshot them.

>>376859489
He's mine too! Except I use him to heal after fights because I don't need a dedicated healer during due to how the game works.

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>Not using both
>There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who use a dedicated healer

>>376859730
Ann helped out a lot with them thanks to her tarunda, really makes deathbound much easier to handle.

>>376859949
Tha sounds expensive. I have all the moneymaking confidant abilities and I still only get abot 550k from a mementos run before I want to kill myself. Michael alone would probably run me 500k

>>376859364
I have the feeling some of them don't play the game but just do the memeing for the sake of "having discussions". P5 is very lenient so your party setup is however you want, if you know how to fuse persona and utilize your team mates. I agree that phys skills in P5 are much better.

>>376853806
He can get a total of +10 strength on ryuji (5 naturally, 5 from sword itemized from ame no uzume) which actually goes a long way towards making him compete with ryuji in terms of damage per round.

>>376860223
Phys skills are better in all the games though. There's a reason they take your health.

>>376860075
Yeah they're NG+ weapons practically like Yusuke's agi+10 Uriel gun and his high fear chance Yoshitsune sword.

>>376860075
>build a sandman with a boost confuse skill
>take requests, let them stack until you have about 4-5 each run
>equip sandman and go solo
>spam confuse
>get several million, even more if you grind each request for a little while each

Money is of no importance to a trickster.

>>376860397
Not in DDS and DeSu from what I remember. DeSu2 I can see it. And SMTIV is Dex.

Yusuke was useful by the time you get him and majority of the game. He may not have charge but his high agility and baton passed rising slash wrecks shit.
>b-but ryuji has charge
Yeah. For like the last 5% of the game.

Even then it was good to have makoto yusuke and ryuji to cover the aoe buffs which leaves joker on debilitate duty on bosses

He actually does pretty well with his multi-hits. When they give him charge in the director's cut, he'll be busted.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g2AQXcNtzuhdVlx77Y0V6O41uJyrNW2wpKPYlY-TFr8/edit#gid=0

Complete itemization list, what's better, an all stat+5 Betatron gun or a Magic+10 lucifer gun?

>>376860527

DDS was the closest to a traditional rpg they ever went, so it makes sense magic would be better. Magic in DeSU was only good because they finally added magic that hits multiple times. Phys skills were still great in SMTIV, but some reason both phys and gun skills were based off of dex

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>>376855321

> fuse Trumpeteer
> level 10 confidant but even with all that free exp still doesn't get debilitate

A NIGGER IN A DRY LAND

Why does the game give you the option to talk to demons that you already have in your compendium instead of just choosing "theres no need for that"?

>>376860735
In case you want to chat?

>>376860723
You do with the arcana boost from lvl 10 fool as well, but at that point you have better options to get debilitate

>>376860676

+5. Physical skills are better for bosses

>>376860723
>He didn't wait until fool got to rank 10 for MAX ARCANA BURST and fused him right before the final boss
>>376860851
Yeah but there's a certain allure to using both a Lucifer gun and a Satanael knife.

>>376854639
nah makoto is a bigger support
she does more damage, gets mediarahan and her legendary weapon is better at critting. also she has more HP/SP

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>>376854041
this is bait, but haru wrecks house with critical gun skills. from my experience she's also right behind Ann in magic damage ouput as well. quit shitposting the fluff.

>>376860908

Then do it. You have a problem if either gun makes or breaks it for you.

>>376854187
the problem is Ryuji can't hit for shit. Whiffs too much to be of any use.

>>376860676
Ryuji's itemized weapons are pretty shit.

>>376860019
>dedicated healer
>not a dedicated baton passer
there were very few non-boss fights where you actually even need to use a heal during the fight - you can just use makoto's mediarama from the bench when you're done with the fight

>Not having a party consisting only MC, Morgana, Yusuke and Ryuji

bros before hoes

>>376861215

All of the itemized weapons that don't give stat bonuses (Joker's gun, Makoto's gun, Yusuke's gun and Haru's axe) are pretty shit.

Well, maybe Joker's resist curse knife and Morgana's +50 SP sword aren't necessarily shit but they're certainly nothing to write home about either.

>>376857710
Morgana is fucking useless in boss battles with muh miracle punch

>>376861767
Ryuji's club wouldn't be so bad if it was an auto-matarukaja instead of just an auto-tarukaja then again that's still redundant if you run any persona with auto matarukaja, auto masukukaja and auto marakukaja

>>376857710
Actually Morgana is the better bench healer.

>>376853806
>"best boy"
>he's 50% pretentious and 50% autism

But I'm sure you identify just fine with him faggot

>>376861836
So sub him out then several times over the course of a playthrough

miracle punch is ridiculous for the other 1000+ battles you'll be in

>Not using Makoto, Haru and Ryuji
Plebs

Post your final boss party members.

Ryuji/Makoto/Morgana

>>376861905

Also if it didn't look like a blinged out dumbbell, how do you mess up a design like the Jingu Bang? It's literally a red and gold stick.

Also

>mjolnir
>is a fucking spiked mace / morning star / whatever

>>376859386
>if you've played the other games
Oh fuck you. I've played DDS SMT3-4 Persona 2-5. I didn't speedrun them all yesterday. I didn't like the dungeon means I'm a Persona 5 purist.

It wasn't hard if that's what you are trying to insinuate. I found him annoying because he was a SP vacuum if you didn't have hindsight to bring a persona just for him, not saying he's a broken part of the game. I just think that dungeon is shitty because they forgot to balance the damage types so they decided to frontload this dungeon with all the physical repel enemies and make 2-3 of your party members useless.

>>376859519
No shit

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>>376861973
>pretentious
Either you have no idea what that word means or you misunderstand his character, which is exactly how outsiders in-game should see him.
I say Atlus has created a very good character.
>tfw picking "We have too many dudes..."

>>376862138
I haven't made even half of them yet, which weapon models do some of the other itemized weapons have?

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>>376861973
How the hell is Yusuke pretentious?

I use Makoto, Ann and morgana. I don't even like morgana but he still seems more useful than haru and the other guys so that i don't have to bother healing

>>376860397
Persona Q was the most hilariously imbalanced game towards physical in the series.

>28 SP for a fucking Maragi
>all physical skills cost a pittance of HP
>also physical skills can hit elemental weaknesses
>against bosses with no weaknesses the only way to get Boost is to crit them which gives you a no cost Charge or partywide crit chance buff

The only way to make magic worse would be to make Hama/Mudo as inaccurate as they normally are.

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>>376859364
>bring Ryuji and Yusuke for damage
>whenever HP gets low, just have Morgana heal them

Its good shit. I mainly use MC turn to put debuffs out or squeeze some more damage or heals in if it is needed.

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>>376862398
>I use Makoto, Ann and morgana.
>Trying this hard to avoid any physical oriented party members

Why?

>>376859205
>implying
Why not just hit their bless weakness and ask them for whatever? I literally didn't fight a single one of them.

>>376859364
I swapped out Yusuke for Haru because her gun skills were better than his phys skills.

>>376862582

who needs physical party members when you can Hassou their Tobis?

>>376862762
That's NG+ only nigger.

>>376862431
Yet at the same time nearly every enemy was weak to Hama or mudo and mamudoom was cheaper than agidyne. I don't know what they were thinking.

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>>376854484
IT'S ALMOST SCARY HOW GOOD I AM

WOAH LOOKING COOL JOKER

OH SKULL YOU'RE PATHETIC

ENEMY DOWN YOU'RE SO GORGEOUS PANTHER

>>376862582
Because after dungeons full of Oni, shikiouji, ganeshas and surely Rangdhas soon I would rather not have a useless party member every other fight.

>>376862910
All of those physical oriented party members also have magic to exploit weaknesses, what can Ann or Makoto do to anything that resists fire or nuke? Only Morgana has anything in that situation with his miracle punch.

>>376862790

>Hassou Tobi
>NG+

???

u wot m8

>>376853806
Going by how useful they are against the superbosses I'd rank them:

Support-Makoto=Goro>Haru=Ryuuji>Morgana> others

Offense-
Ann>Ryuuji>Haru=Makoto>Yusuke=Goro>Morgana

>>376863032
Makoto has melees, ann can item vendor and is cute

>>376862910
Oni, Shiki-ouji and Ganesha can be dealed with ailment and Rangda is notorious for phys repel but has an actual weakness to fucking zio. That's not really an excuse for not using a physical team.

>>376863032
Ever tried pressing X

>not running Makoto/Haru/filler
The first two are versatile and will handle everything you'll ever need. Last slot is really just up to your personal preference.

>>376862790
You max out Morgana near the end of the game so you can get Yoshi by the time you hit mementos for the final time

>>376863191
Anyone not using Haru, Ryuji and Makoto is objectively retarded.

>>376863032
Makoto can Flash Bomb if you kept it.

>Yusuke is useless
t.never used baton pass

>>376863130
>>376863252
>medium damage single hit damage
Might as well defend

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>>376863080
You literally only get Yoshitsune on the last day of the game in time for the final dungeon and boss, you can't rely on something that's not available for 95% of the game unless you're talking about NG+

>>376863130
Makoto's melee dizzies enemies which is great if you have someone with a physical attack to take advantage of the technical damage like Yusuke, Ryuji or Haru, not Morgana limp dick miracle punch or Ann's standard whip

>>376863190
>Using weapons
That's only for extremely weak enemies or when you have something with a high chance of crit or status effect and are praying for that to work.

>>376862110
Anne, Makoto, and swapped the last one between pretty much everyone.
I was underleveled on Hard so it was more a necessity thing than a preference.

>>376863341
It medium aoe with chance of dizzy.

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>>376853806
He's great during dungeon crawling but is outclassed by Ryuji against bosses.

>Good AoE Physical skills
>Gets a free charge from Baton Passing on a few of his moves, which is something that happens often

This game actually does a decent job of keeping Party members relevant at least in some way, Makoto and Ryuiji are basically autopicks for Boss Fights, though.

>>376863417
Were you underleveled because you never did Mishima's confidant and had backup members earn xp, or just 1 or 2 levels behind the average because of Hard's .8 xp gain compared to normal?

>>376863370
Flash bomb+Triple Down was great to deal with enemies quick as fuck

>>376863237
>Haru
Then you must be one during the part where she hasn't joined your party yet.

>>376863552
A little bit of both.
I also "stealthed" the last 2 areas of the game because of impatience.
So the party was in the 60-65 range when the (apparent) average level was about 80. It was fun.

>>376860948
Actually with Charge from Futaba, Haru has higher damage potential than anyone. Ann is just straight trash.

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>>376863681
I wish flash bomb was a bit more reliable with its dizzy, sometimes I just have makoto do her standard melee attack because of her high crit weapon over it. I'd be great if it got an upgrade to raise the chance from low to medium or high in Crimson.

Yusuke is great until the last 2 dungeons since he doesn't get Charge or a Baton Power Up Colossal Damage Skill.

I'd say Makoto is worse or Morgana after Haru gets One-Shot Kill.

>Useless party members
>When you can switch party members

>>376862110
Ryuji, Makoto, Haru. I did Ryuji, Makoto and Ann against Shido and I probably should have done that again since Haru didn't do much of anything. I thought the Final Boss might try to throw Status at me, he does, but Haru can't heal it anyways so I should have just had Ann so she could spam Concenrate+Severe Fire Skill.

>>376863731
That raised average might be because of people doing the reaper exploit during flu season.
>>376863770
Makes sense considering Haru has 2 passives that boost her gun damage while there really isn't any phys damage equivalent passives.

>>376863770
>Actually with Charge from Futaba
The thing is though, that's the only way she can get a Concetrate Boost. Ann can just do it herself without relying on RNG. I had Futaba's skill activate twice on the Final Boss and I got SP recovery both times. Haru is good against Trash Mobs.

>>376863770

To be fair, getting charge from Futaba isn't exactly a reliable thing.

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>he doesn't rotate his party members frequently to make sure everyone gets a go

>>376864051
i did this but ann never got any use except against the last boss

>>376863956
>Makes sense considering Haru has 2 passives that boost her gun damage while there really isn't any phys damage equivalent passives.
And that's also Joker with access to both charge and those passives can shit out obscene gun damage.

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>>376864051
I rotated everyone except for Haru because there is no situation where she was bad.

Because she's my wife and literally perfect.

>>376854517
Pretty important if you're doing a first playthrough maniac run.

>>376863731
The average is 80 because people were using the Reaper to grind, I'm sure you were right in line with the average level any other time you checked it, but as soon as you got to like Okumura's Palace you started to fall further behind. In that one you can apparently use the Black Sludge enemies to grind and then on Flu Days you can grind with The Reaper because he can be inflicted with despair too for some reason. I only did him once so I could the trophy and I finished level 75(this was on Normal, though. I regret not picking Hard.).

>>376864116
>i did this but ann never got any use except against the last boss

Mostly because there was jack shit weak to fire throughout the game. That has to be the rarest weakness for enemies.

So does Morgana watch you fuck ann when you bring her to your room?

>>376864015
That also costs a ton of SP, while Ann is probably better than Haru against Yaldabaoth I would say Haru is still better overall since she's a lot more versatile, can consistently press turns and still has high damage output.

>>376854237
Unless you use Protag for support while the rest do damage which is a waste, Makoto is the best support character in the game.

Anyone who doesn't make a party revolving around Criticals misses the fun of the this game.
The four Archangels were hilarious getting downed each turn by Morgana's Miracle Punch or Haru's One-shot kill

>>376855210
Yeah swift strike is busted. 3-4 light attacks and you can fuse it in your 20s. Good job Atlus.

>>376863093
What superbosses

>>376856273
He has Debilitate which frees up the MC for Pure damage output on the superbosses.

>>376864051
It's better to rotate party members because you can save SP with Futaba's healing skill

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>>376864386
>JOKER PASS ME THE BATON
>PERRRRSSOOOOONNNNAAAAA
>One Shot Kill
>Crit
It was at that moment I realized Noir was the best.

>>376864452
The twins (why I ranked Ann higher than Ryuuji due to AoE damage) and the Reaper

>useless

he was in my team pretty much all game, him and makoto.

>>376854041
>like haru
>using shiki ouji all game
>tfw she's pretty much worthless to me besides the occasional amrita drop

Every character is pretty viable except Morgana

>>376854005
Would anyone like some doujins of yusuke and joker

>>376864654
morgana only stops being good towards the end of the game when everything becomes crit immune.

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>>376864654
>Free crits
>Salvation
>Third best AOA portrait
>IT'S ALMOST SCARY HOW GOOD I AM

>Not viable

>>376854237
Goro if he was playable long enough to get his Debilitate Ryuji > Makoto > Ann > Haru > Yusuke > Morgana

>But muh miracle punch.
If something doesn't have a weakness and can't go down in a full ambush turn I can just use Tower's gun skill. Strictly bench warming heal slut between fights.

>>376864654
Oh Skull, you're pathetic.

>>376864771
>third best
What's the first two?

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>>376853806
Your OP post text is correct, but you posted the wrong character.

Actual master race tier list

Makoto >> Ruyji = Morgana > Haru > Yusuke >>> Ann

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>>376864801
>Actually needing a party member for Debilitate
Lol

>>376854187

Why do people say this shit? Ryuji doesn't get charge until the very end of the game.

>>376864771
BONAFIDE MONDAFIDE
BONAFIDE MONAFIDE
BONAFIDE MONAFIDE

SASUGA JOKAH
SASUGA JOKAH
SASUGA JOKAH

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>>376864856
Goro and Joker, although Haru's is really good too.

>>376864771
>Salvation
>Viable

Morgana belongs on the bench.

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>>376853806
Wrong

>>376854091
This is correct!

Dont forget about his follow up attack that is an instant kill aka."Nothin persoanl kid" samurai slash move.

Yusuke is is really good with baton pass and his AOE moves as long as you fight an enemy that has a weakness.

My main team on my first playthrough was Yusuke,Ryuji,and Makoto and Joker that had all of the other elements that the other 3 party members don't have access to except for my boy BLACK FROST!

>>376864768
>the end of the game when everything becomes crit immune.
The Four Archangels are not immune to Crits.
Mara is immune to Gun but not immune to Miracle Punch, so it's the only way to down him.

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>>376864876
Swap Morgana and Ann and it suddenly becomes 100% more accurate.

>>376864985
I can respect this opinion, carry on

>>376864771
>Free crits
Haru and MC can fill that niche easily while also using the superior crit skill.
>Salvation
Mediarahan is a lot more economic and can easily just use items whenever an ailment actually hits you.
>Third best AOA portrait
true

>>376864993
No one forces you to learn Salvation
You can keep Mediarahan and letting Armita Shower to Haru and MC

>>376864882
I didn't say I need it, but imagine not having to do it yourself and using that turn to charge up.

>Useful
Ryuji
Ann
Makoto

>Outshined
Yusuke
Haru

>No purpose
Morgana

>Not a party member
Goro

>>376865104
Why even need a healer period then? Just use items

A team with Yusuke should have Morgana due to baton passing being a major factor in his dps toolkit. Haru would also be good due to having a high crit chance.

So basically
trash mob party: Morgana, Yusuke, Haru
boss killer party: Ryuji, Ann, Makoto

>>376864882
You should cut him some slack for wanting to be overleveled in his 1st run. Maybe he just wanted to try Reaper flu to save time grinding or something.
Yeah nah as if waiting for that shithead to learn Debilitate is "fun".

>>376864876
Ann gets concentrate and an aoe severe spell. She's the best damage dealer if she's weak at everything else.

Optimal party is Makoto/Ryuji/Ann occasionally switching in Haru for situations were karns are useful.

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>>376864985
I didn't like Joker's that much.
The one I liked the best was Yusuke's

>>376862863
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>>376865157
P E R F E C T

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>make best girl
>highest magic damage dealing party member

>>376865094
crit is not a niche, when you're grinding for money or items or recruit you need crits for not blowing your SP
Also Miracle Punch not being powerful is great when you want to negociate without killing

>>376865193
Being overleveled in your first run is useful if you want to fill out the compendium to have fun with 90+ level persona in NG+. I made the mistake of not fusing enough things in the end.

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>>376865157
>>376865278
>Mage
>Useful in WORLD OF STRENGTH game

I just ran Morgana Ryuji Yusuke for the entire fucking game. Joker was in charge of marakukaja and debilitate.

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>>376865378
You're goddamn right it's useful.

>>376865204
>Using Ann
>When Physical is still broken beyond redemption

>>376865378
Concentrate+Inferno with all her boosts is way stronger than anything Ryuji can do.

>>376865378
Having Concentrate means she'll put out more damage than the crit focused two.

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>>376865336
>my best persona is a lvl 75 Thanatos
Platinum is going to be tough

>>376865306
Yes but MC can get Miracle Punch along with Apt Pupil which makes his significantly more effective, also better hit rate if you throw in speed master.

>>376865447
>multistrikes you
Heh, nothing personnel

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>>376865216
Yusuke's was good but Joker, Mona and Noir all have that S M U G factor and Goro's is just goofy. Yusuke is definitely better than Ann, Ryuji or Makoto's though.

>>376865336
I'm actually reloading my save in Bonezone Shibuya and grinding the endgame demons. They give pretty good exp and money apparently, and that way I can fuse Yoshi for ng+.

>>376865393
You should swap out Morgana for Makoto to not have to make Joker spend too many turns casting buffs and debuffs.

>>376864985

Damn it, that works so much better with the original design.

>>376859658
That looks so much better than that shitty, generic anime "cool" design that replaces it for ultimate.

>>376854187
ryuji doesn't get charge until the last 1/4 of the game. Objectively, Yusuke is better for the early to mid game, even more so on sub-bosses cause of baton pass.

>>376865336
Fusing is the "fun" part for me. I filled about 82% of the Compendium and started NG+ to finish the rest. Regularly fusing demon is how you should play Megaten games. That and beating Lawfags.

>>376865378
The game really deliberately makes you need both magic and physical damage eventually though

>>376865635
I like Goemon better, but Yusuke's Susano-o is by far the best one in the series

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>>376865635
All the ultimate's in this game were a fucking mistake, especially Futaba's which is just an outright travesty.

On normal it doesn't seem to matter too much, I played Ryuji/Yusuke/Makoto and it worked fine for the most part

Also I got trumpeter and almost immediately made him immune to everything except gun skills, which pretty much trivialised the rest of the game

>>376865447
>tfw no SMT: Dancing All Apocalypse with the DeSu protag on the center of the cover

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>>376865502
>Implying I don't have a Phys Resistance
>Implying you don't have Pierce
>Implying the only thing that matters is who goes first, me Holy Dancing you to death or you Multistriking.

>Implying that at the end of the day it isn't WORLD OF AGI

>>376865767
Ryujis is great

>>376865825
Or, you know, Repel Phys.

>>376854005
This

Yusuke, Haru, and Makoto are the GOAT for mobs

Ryuji, Panther, and Makoto are great for bosses

Morgana is useless as fuck once Makoto starts learning healing skills.

>>376865157

>Best Gun damage, second best Magic and/or perfect support options
>Outshined

Haru is Swiss Army Knife: The Character

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>>376865635
Eh I like Susanoo's tattoos and metallic skirt with flame decorations.

>>376865767
Susano and Mercurious look amazing though
And Makoto's stays the same except it transforms now

>That last boss rush before the final boss
Fuck's sake, I've had to basically cheese past it all. Not to mention everything's outleveled me at this point. The last guy is tough as fuck.

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>>376865767

>Prometheus
>Not Yog-Sothoth

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>>376865502
>phys repel
>out dances you to death
Wish you could dance like yo daddy now, don't you?

>>376865891
Doesn't Pierce go through Repel? I know it does in SMT 4A since I just played it.

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>>376865910
>second best magic
>perfect support

>>376866052
Not in DeSu or 2. I remember because I ended up Kenshiroing a repel phys enemy and killing my entire party except myself.

>>376865910
>Haru is Swiss Army Knife: The Character
Yeah but if you try to keep a little bit of everything on her she becomes useless, it's best to disregard some skills like her shields which can be replaced by items and just opt for more damage boosting passives.

>>376866114
Yeah it's coming back to me. Weird how it's excluded.

>>376865529
The last two enemies at the end give between 9k and 11k exp depending on which squad shows up, and fighting two of them is basically a guaranteed level up until level 77 or so, and even then you can still get levels within 3~4 fights.

>>376866050
>>376865447

I only played DeSu2 and that game was heavily magic oriented, and I gave most of the gamebreaking physical skills to Daichi.
But is DeSu 1 good for a physical build?

>>376866052
In literally every other game, it doesn't.

>>376853806
> Is useful and superior physical dps compared to ryuji from the moment he's avaliable until the very final part of the game
> useless

He's vital in early mid to mid game when the bosses fight are the most challenging.

>>376866052
>I know it does in SMT 4A

weird, in SMT4 Pierce goes through everything BUT Repel

>>376866192
>But is DeSu 1 good for a physical build?
Only in Overclocked. If you are playing the original just go MAG.

>>376865984
>And Makoto's stays the same except it transforms now
WHY DOES IT EVEN CHANGE ITS NAME? STOP BULLSHITTING ME MAKOTO, YOU'RE LYING ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER PROGRESS! THAT'S STILL JOHANNA

>>376866192
>I only played DeSu2 and that game was heavily magic oriented
DeSu 1 is even more magical oriented the DS version even more so.

>>376866241
But bosses, or anything for that matter, aren't challenging after Madarame.

>>376866052
Nope, SMT 4A is the only game where pierce ignores repel. Incidentally, SMT 4 and 4A are the only games where repelled attacks pierce all resistance types.

>>376866192
Only if you play the 3ds version due to added skills.

>>376865767

Astarte grows on you after a while. Realizing the body is controlling a legion of minds makes it click.

>>376866052

It does. I think Drain is the one that ignores pierce, though that might only be in DeSu.

>>376866080

Damn it, I want to protect that smile.

>>376866192

Vanilla? No. Overclocked? Fuck yes. MC/Atsuro/Izuna basically becomes Doomguy if you give them Pierce.

>>376866150
I got rid of her psychic skills (besides one for knock downs) since Haru is completely inferior to Ann and Makoto as a mage, and her gun skills are way more useful.

>>376866192
>heavily magic oriented
It was pretty balanced. Multistrike is basically a dance on every character and you can apply pierce to every character once you do ao's route. That said dances were still strong and Fumi had no problem with nuking shit from 5+ spaces away with holy dance and spirit/drain

>>376866003
They're all tricksters and thieves, anon.

Rising slash is the biggest meme of the game
>Baton passes Ryuji
>Swift strike
>Maybe use a tarukaja beforehand to add some flavour
>The enemy explodes
There you have it

>>376866052
I think in Nocturne to get through repel phys you had to use freikugel which went through it because of it being Almighty but phys at the same time, but if you used Gaea rage on something with repel phys it gets bounced back even with pierce. But don't quote me on this because it's been years since I played it.

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>>376866320
Who doesn't want to protect it?

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>>376866320
You seem to be a nice guy.
Here have a not 5-head version

>>376865157
Goro had the coolest design imo, and his weapons were the coolest too. I was p sad when I saw his lightsaber and realized he was only going to be in the game for one dungeon.

Fusion calculator says I can make Cybele with Koh-i-noor and Sarasvati but the game wont let me help
I have Priestess maxed out

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>>376866412
That sounds right. Man it's been awhile.

>>376866337
Haru definitely is a multi-task character done right. They tried to do something similar with Naoto in Persona 4 Golden by shoving every element type onto her but that was pointless since she didn't carry any amps nor boosts.

When Futaba Charge/Concentrates you, do you get one of each or one shot?

>>376866395

I'm just saying, you had all of those little Lovecraft nods, and then there's the can of worms theory speculating that Nyarly might be Futaba's dad, it feels wrong not to keep the theme.

>>376862307
Yusuke's Senryou Yakusha is a smoking pipe with a katana in it

>>376866192
In DeSu2 I abused Multi Strike and +Stone and Pierce of my party members while I was Holy Dancing. Shit was great.

>>376866528
One of each.

>>376866494
But he has the worst attack animation.

>>376866509
do you have dlc personas, or have them disabled on the calculator?

I don't know if any of the dlc ones are priestess but they fuck with treasure demon fusion

>>376866538
Oh I've seen that model for other weapons, not bad but not my favorite. Still better than the sword with the pink sheath that clashes with his costume colors.

>>376865767
Necronomicron was one of my favorite Persona designs in the series, I almost considered not maxing out Futaba's social link once I saw how shitty her evolution was. That said I think most of the base designs are really good and Makoto's evolved Persona is great.

>>376866614
I have no DLC, I'm just trying to fuse a regular Sarasvati with Koh-i-noor. It just gives me "IMPOSSIBLE"

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>>376865767
The hell is this, the final boss from Okami?

>>376866679
Makoto's evolved Persona is great, but still a downgrade from having a motorbike as a persona.

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>>376866573
But he has the best AOA, does anyone have a webm of his?

>>376866526
Didn't they give Naoto amps for every element in Golden?

>>376866756

Your Saravasti might be too overleveled or something, fusions between demon + Treasure Demon are dependent on the demon's level.

>>376865910
How should I build Haru? what skills should i keep?

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>All these people talking shit about Punk Wukong
Faggots, all of you

>>376866808
Thankfully it's still a motorbike. It transforms from it when she calls it in battle, but I do wish she could ride it.

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>>376866509
Give it spell master, one of the best passive skills for high level spell spamming. Slap that on Alice as well

He's ST, MA and AG as shit

What the fuck are you talking about

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>>376866875
>One Shot Kill
>Cripple
>Armita Shower
>Heat Riser
Keep those for sure.

>>376858736
When does that image instance happen?

>>376866825
Something about that always said "trying to hard". Which fits, I guess, but I nobody likes a showboater.

>>376866509
Edit the calculator with what DLC you have.

>>376866849
Nope, all elements but no amps apart from hama and mudo boost which she already had in vanilla.

>>376866904
If he started with Punk Wukong I wouldn't mind it. The fact that it replaces Captain Kidd though just made it really disappointing to me.

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>>376866825

>>376866992
>Yusuke
>MA
He doesn't even learn bufu boost

>>376867017

Mishima rank 7 or 8

>>376866808
I agree but I'm just glad it's not "shitty textured ball". Prometheus doesn't wven have anything to do with the Necronomicron. Should have been Nodens or something to fit with the trickster motif.

>>376866875
Both gun passives, her two gun skills and amrita shower, others can be sacrificed if you want especially the shields which can be replaced if you buy them from takemi as consumable items.

>there isn't a single stupid pervert character in P5's party
Yet another reason for P4 to be a forgotten pile of refuse.

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>>376867024
>nobody likes a showboater.

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>>376867017
During Mishima's social link. Some asshole Mishima knows is getting threatened by two punks.

You almost think mishima is cool when he stands up to them...and then he talks about how he pissed his pants

You couldn't just let our boy have his moment, Atlus?