Are people finally starting to wake up from this horrible nightmare?

It will continue to be the biggest fighter and main event every EVO for years to come.

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>>376848760
not really. other games die after month of release but sfv going to stay dominating the scene.

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>>376848936
Having your favorite fighter isn't going to fix the core shittyness of this game. Sorry.

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How are you guys liking Ed so far? I'm enjoying his stuff a lot. He's got fun tools for neutral and great defensive options.
It's a huge step up from Alex, that's for sure.

Makes me pretty glad to see that you miserable fucks still shit yourself in anger when you see people playing SFV.

Nope. FGC monkeys go wherever their Capcom overlords leave breadcrumbs.

>>376848760
SFV will stay alive purely through brand loyalty and bribery.

>>376849315
Is it "too easy"?

I only seem to hate SF5 when I'm not playing it. When I start thinking it's got shallow gameplay and full of shitty DLC tactics I wonder why I care but then I actually start the game and, holy shit, I'm having fun.

>>376849410
He's cool, only thing I truly dislike about him is how his normals dont cancel into his specials properly from some ranges.

>>376848904
So will any recent fighting game Crapcom shits out. Everyone with sense already knows EVO has sold out for years.

>>376850473
Are they actually bad, though? Or are you just tired of Capcom having all the attention?

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>>376850473
>primarily capcom based tournament for two decades
>selling out to capcom
the posts I read here, holy fuck.

People will complain about Street Fighter =but they'll actually play it.

Then they'll claim Guilty Gear and KoF are better but never play them.

This cycle will continue forever.

>>376850702
/v/ fighting game threads are always a delight.

>>376849410
Juri beats him 7-3. First favorable matchup for her.

>>376850906
Why can't Capcom make viable characters?

>>376851013
But Ed and Balrog are viable

>>376850906
Considering fucking nobody plays Juri, I'll take it.
Better than having a single positive match-up. (5.5 vs F.A.N.G for Alex)

>>376851154
Oh.

I'm sorry, I don't know when /v/ is shitting on something anymore.

>>376848904
Melee will soon be the main game of EVO.

>>376850906
What makes you say that

>>376851013
Because they didn't want dlc characters to be OP on first release and they wanted to make her easier to use than her sfiv variation. And her new move set is impossible to adjust to balance, unless you removed her charge mechanic

>>376848760
People will play SFV as long as the money continues to be there.

>>376850073
Not for me. It's the fucking load times that kill me. I put up with years of SFIV online, so I'm more than happy with most of the matches I get in SFV, but it's the 2 minutes of straight waiting before I can even get into the game that made me leave.

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I actually started back up on SFV recently and picked up Kolin. After reading copious amounts of complaints about how the game plays and how "every Kolin plays the same" etc. I've decided I have nothing against the game. The people that play the game are dumbing it down worse than capcom ever did. Ofc the game is going to get boring when your defensive "strategy" is to walk backwards non-stop against Kolin or jump backwards against Laura and so on. On top of this people are still using the same gay online tactics they used in USF4 and wondering why every match plays the same.

tl;dr people abuse the simplified mechanics and online environment to gimp the game then complain about the game being gimped. You don't HAVE to do this. In fact you shouldn't.

>>376851402
I thought they were going to do away with this in the next major revision.

Or maybe that was just on PC.

If you find any begginners in the beta, TEACH THEM THE GAME!

If you don't you are doing a diasservice to the FGC.

>>376851349
The range that Ed has to be at to get anything started is the range that Juri thrives. Also if he jumps her cr.hp snuffs anything he does, I dont know whether they buffed it or the hitboxes on his jump ins are awful but it AAs him for free everytime.

>>376851580
How, exactly? I can't really teach someone how to play unless we're communicating.

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>>376848760
>Rootkit
>No offline content
>No working online content
>Think hard about the last two in the list
>50 million Chun li Costumes
>FANG
>Ken's face
>Baby's first combos
>Failure to reach sales figures even after a year

SFV defence force will still call it a huge success because 5000 autistic fat fucks at EVO that one time.

>>376851538
I sure hope so. I literally hopped onto the new beta, joined a lounge, and then had to wait for three minutes while it loaded and then played catch-up to get to where the fight was happening live. I had totally forgotten just how much waiting is involved in everything that isn't the actually playing the game with SFV.

>>376851642
Juri cant jump at him either because his AAs are stupid, and as you said thats the range where he wants to start shit so its where he wants to be anyways.
They even share a HK, only that his is better.
Sounds rather even to me.

Dunno, gotta see how it actually plays out in motion.

>>376851807
>5000 autistic fat fucks at EVO that one time.

FGC is more about anorexia.

>>376848760
I genuinely enjoy it. I'll probably be picking up T7 and rev 2 as well. /v/ doesn't play fighting games so I'm not sure why you talk about them so often.

>>376851580
>Found someone who kept jumping at me in an Ed mirror match
>4 c.HPs in a row later, he suddenly stopped jumping in

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>>376851580
>FGC

Faggot Gamers Club

>>376851916
I'll rephrase, its 7-3 right now. Once the character has more time in sure it will change, but so far I've crushed all but 2 Eds 4/0.

>>376848760
They've known for some time now.

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>r/kappa shitter still thinks T7 and Goobergear will ever beat out SFV

>>376851983
>/v/ doesn't play fighting games so I'm not sure why you talk about them so often.

I'm not sure if you noticed but /v/ often mistakes autism with skill. They think dying to a DaS boss to the point over and over to the point you perfect it is skill. This is the board you are on. Of course FPS, FGs, and anything else remotely competitive is going to get shit on.

Who is SFV for?

It's still too hard for casuals
No arcade for casuals
FM grind to buy colors and costume too grindy for casuals.

Game has been dumbed down and isn't fun for fans of the series
Options removed, playstyles gutted, homogenized cast
Grind not enjoyable. Wins gain 5 points, Losses lose 150 points.

>>376850702
Yes they sold out for years.

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>>376852145

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nothing more than a costume sim honestly

>>376852213
When was that all time peak? Even at launch there were never more than 20 people online. Are people really satisfied with just playing against the computer?

I dont see any other FG taking SFV's spot, its not possible. Anyway, im happily playing ultra and i refuse to go back to V, it has even more active players than some relevant anime fighters.

>>376850473
not SFxT even after they fixed it.

Will we finally shut up about this game when Tekken and injustice come out? I'd rather games that are fun enough that get me invested to play competitively. Whats with game franchises dumbing down to casuals while at the same time advertising that rad esport and having no content?(cough343halocoughfaggots)

>>376852145
I demolished the only Kolin I played against but that doesn't mean the MU is 10-0 for Ed.

Are you EU? If so, I'd like to play you.

>>376852213
It's not about being more popular than SFV, but being a better game. As long as Sony and Capcom keeps throwing money at it to force a scene it's never going to die.

I'm not even a tekken fag but I'm turning to T7 as the only hopes for a good fighting game this year as SFV is hot garbage.

>>376852375
Heres the thing. Lack of arcade mode is what killed the sales. No one cares about fucking online you Mongolian.

MKX sold 5 million no cunt plays that online they just dick around in arcade mode.

>>376852538
Fuck the haters. Post patch that game was fun.

The reason I hate hearing SF5 is too shallow is that it makes me feel like being the winner of a 3rd grade spelling bee because I'm decent at it.

>WOW, YOU'RE GOOD AT STREET FIGHTER V. YOU'RE SOOOOO SKILLED. Now play some fucking Guilty Gear and learn a real fighting game.

Shit like that goes through my head.

>>376852741
Maybe you're good at it because it's shallow?

>>376848760
I just need to get to Gold for the trophy. I'm desperate. I'm really thinking of just posting a craigslist ad and having someone do it for me. Btw, if anyone lives in Anchorage, Alaska, hit me up, I need help. We can review other people's replays, right? Can some pro with time review mine and give me tip. I main Gief. The highest I've gotten is to 3800 and then I start losing a string and gets bumped back down. Please. I'm desperate.

the game is good as fuck, its just a meme to shit on it.

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>>376852612
Looking forward to SFVI right after I finish Lost Planet IV.

>>376852656
Xrd has an arcade mode though.

>>376852305
The real problem here is that Capcom listened to their fanbase. It's all monkey-paw wishing when you look at what SFV was supposed to be:

SFIV Complaints:
>Crouch-teching and vortex
>Plinking and 1-frame links
>Having to buy updates for the game

SFV "fixes:"
>Complete removal of vortex, crouch tech, and even most option selects
>No more plinking or one-frame links at the cost of technical skill overall
>No more updates to buy, but at the cost of choosing to grind or pay for more characters.

>>376852247
I play games like that too honestly. Action games a la dmc3 are the best single player games and fighting games are the best multiplayer.

>>376848760

Games kinda fun. New Juri costume sucked me right back in. Ed looks really fun

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>>376852741
>Implying GG is even a difficult game anymore

I guess it's one of the harder games out right now, but it's not like there's anything decent to compare it to

>>376852741
I've got thousands of hours in BlazBlue and Guilty Gear, yet I was utter garbage at SFIV and only Ultra Bronze in SFV.
They use very different skillsets.

>>376852247
I'm interested in your definition of skill.

>>376852741
The reason I hate hearing SFV is too shallow is because it often comes from shitters who play the safest character possible and have 0 offense. Then the quote some pro who makes real points.

>>376852953
Killer Instinct is a patrician's modern fighting game desu.

Only reason it's not big is because Xbone and Windbot 10 exclusive.

>>376853046
There aren't any good controllers available yet but the Hori Fighting Commander for Xbox One will finally break that spell.

>>376853042
Anon, some people like zoning and playing solid footsies. Thats not being a shitter, a shitter is someone who press buttons without thinking on wakeup because everything is safe for the attacker.

Every time I play this game it just pisses me off. It's practically 100% set play and if you don't have your meaty combos with whiffed buttons all set up ahead of time and down perfectly, then you're just going to eat a wake up jab into EX combo into whatever pressure your opponent can pull off. You can't ever jump at anyone because they'll just jab you out of the air, which they absolutely didn't fix in season 2 either. So you either just sit there and wait for them to jump in so you can jab them out of the air into a mixup into whatever setplay bullshit you have prepared and there's hardly any interactivity involved. It's just fucking stupid.

>plebs who fell for sf5 is bad meme
>literally the best
>whining shitters are still crying because delayed singleplayer
>Waaah! i cant play story mode !
>same little shitter plebs will gobble the fuck out of MK's latest turd of a game full to the brim with microtransactions and SJW infested designs
>muh gimmicky X ray vision!!111

>>376853046
I don't like the idea of the mechanics so I didn't get windows 10. The combo breaking system just doesn't look very fun to me.

>>376848760
>tfw i PRE ORDERED this piece of fucking shit
i still have nightmares

>>376853042
>0 offense
Not saying you're wrong, and I fully admit I'm a shitter, but what kind of offense does any character not named Ibuki or Urien even have?
>tick throws
>frame traps
>occasional overheads
>ambiguous cross-ups
That's about all I can think of.

>>376853238
>same little shitter probably hyped overwatch for past 6 months

>>376853171
People are winning tournies with solid footsies though.

>>376853227
Combo breaking isn't a thing that just happens, it takes some talent.

Props to Double Helix from taking a gimmicky Mortal Kombat cash-in game like Killer Instinct and turning it into a legit fighting game without changing the core mechanics that made it unique.

>>376853171
Like Ken. Is there any reason not to input shoryuken during an opponent's combo? If they drop a single link, it goes through. If not, it's not like you were going to recover anyway.

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>>376852836
You like malware anon? We might not hate on it so much if it didn't try and put a fucking rootkit on our PCs. Your a fucking dumb prick if you defend this game in any way what so ever.

>>376852247
>I'm interested in your definition of skill.

>the ability to do something well; expertise.

Dying to one boss for a week straight is not skillful when other players are crushing practically all the bosses on their first run.

>>376853046
>baby's first fighter
>auto-combos
>combo breakers
>rock paper scissors

>patrician's modern fighting game

heh...

>>376853318
I looked into it before dismissing it. It looks like a good game just not one I'd enjoy. I think Injustice is the only "current" fighter that I think is just straight up not good.

>>376853403

who the fuck plays SF on pc ?
SF4 didnt even have 20 players worldwide

>>376849410

Lol hvor er du fra din scrub?

>>376853319
If I get shoryuken'd during a combo, it instantly tells me that my opponent is inputting DPs during my combos.
Naturally, I'll cut my next combo short, block the DP, and get a full punish combo.
Instead of taking maybe 20% of your HP, I'll be taking around 50%.

>>376853308
And still eating random jump ins just because. The neutral game of V is pretty shitty but not non existant like some people claim.

>>376848760

Blonde Fighter V

Call me when they add some diversity to this shitty game. Meanwhile, I'll be enjoying MK.

>>376853304
no thats another shit game

>>376852905
>No more plinking or one-frame links at the cost of technical skill overall

From the things you listed, this is the only negative change. There are problems with the way they implemented buying characters, but the approach itself is not inherently bad. And if you actually think vortices aren't a problem, you are straight-up retarded.

SFV is still busted beyond repair, but there were other contributing factors.

>>376853570
Funen, my man. Born and raised in Jutland, though.

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>>376853509
Stealth Capcom shill.

>>376853445
meant for >>376853024

>>376853445
So when I die to a boss 50 times and get him on the 51st because I learned him, I'm not skillful simply because of the time it took?

>>376853619
>meanwhile ill be enjoying a floaty poorly animated uncompetitive piece of garbage whose primary purpose is to be a game marketed at non gamers and dies after a week

have fun with that loser

>>376853674

Spiller du imod Munkholm og Lillefyr?

>>376853227
It's not something that happens often but it is a good mechanic to have under your sleeve. Problem is new players spam it and think it's a get out of jail free card so you get tards like >>376853465
who spout muh rock paper scizzzors

But yeah there is an auto combo system for casuals, which is easily countered because the combos are predictable.

>>376852905
I don't want a fighting game centered around 1F links, though. Makes the barrier to everything too restrictive.

Again, I always go back to this, but just make a game like CvS2. Stuff just works there. You don't have to link before you cancel, you can just cancel into moves. Links do exist but you don't feel stuck if you can't pull them off.

>>376853298
You literally just described all FGs.

>>376853608
How much footage of SFIV do you think I could find where people ate random jump ins this far into the game?

>>376853680
No. Tekken and Rev 2 look great. I just see no appeal in NRS games.

>>376852905
>>Having to buy updates for the game
Funny how we were all collectively annoyed about buying updates so they promised not to do it again, but SFV is in desperate need of an update to save the game from being boring shit.

>>376853816
Persona had an autocombo system and it was still a fun game. Honestly if it didn't require windows 10 I would have tried it, but it wasn't worth the upgrade to me.

>>376853298
You'd be using those skills anywhere, not just SF5.

SF5's shallowness comes when you can't really branch out and create your own combo situations. Everything feels very rote and mandatory in SF5. You can't find your own way to make something work with the way moves chain together.

>>376853769
I've played Lillefyr a little bit in a bunch of fighters, never heard of Munkholm.
I mainly play BlazBlue, and I think I'm the only guy in Denmark who's really into that.

>>376853705
You have developed skill but are relatively unskilled compared to people who did it significantly faster. Basically, it takes more skill to win in the unpredictable conditions of competitive gaming than it does to beat DaS. I don't think anyone would dispute this except retards here. That's what I was getting at.

>>376850518
SFV is legitimately bad.

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>>376853538
>Be Capcom.
>A company that became really famous because of Resident Evil a game about a virus.
>Sees that a virus can sell a game.
>Puts one in the PC SFV port.

>YFW Ultra SFII whateverthefuck Switch edition will outsell it
>YFW Capcom will realize they did such a shitty job a game from the early 90s can sell better in 2017

>>376853660
Vortex hasnt been a thing on IV since ultra came out. SFV has other serious problems with its game that arent even related to the blandness of its combo system. Just to list some:

>Horrendous loading times
>Shit recovery on normals
>Shit range on most normals
>Faster jumps than in IV
>Shit blockstrings that end after 2 hits
>input lag
>lack of defensive options outside fucking EX DP (waste bar you faggot, its not like DPs were already nerfed enough with crush counters on recovery)

On this last point i will name some examples about the options that IV had for defense.

>Delayed wake up
>Invinsible backdash
>Focus back dash
>DP (not every character had one but hey, variation and MU knowledge)
>FADC DP
>Ultra

On that point, both IV and V have supers that could serve as a wake up option.

We have SFV for a few years more, at least 4 and i dont think capcom will change any of the things i listed because they just dont care enough.

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Capcom hasn't become any less jewish or retarded since sfxt. This is literally year 4 of the dark ages for capcom.

>>376854000
Join Facebook grupperne for Fighting games Denmark og CPH FGC, jeg ved der er et stykker der spiller Blazblue, men vi spiller mest GG i kobenhavn og danmark generelt.

GG > Blazfis

>>376853208
But anon, how can it be a meme if it's the truth

>>376853816
>i-its not rps y-ou can memorize the start up animation of every l/m/h attack in the game for each character and get out of combos 100% of the time!

Combo-breakers are a shitty mechanic, GG did them best with the Burst mechanic.

>>376854174
>DP (not every character had one but hey, variation and MU knowledge)

Invincible DPs make playing Makoto a bitch, which kinda sucks when she's your main.

>>376853897
Not much really, DPs and AA normals were pretty strong in vanilla.

>>376854268
Combo breakers make sense in the game they're in. They wouldn't really work anywhere else but in Killer Instinct they have a home.

>>376849315
Why does she look like a tranny?

>>376854282
>DP's making Makoto a bitch to play

Nigga with the proper setups she blows that shit up with Axekick

>>376854268
>start up animation of every l/m/h attack in the game for each character and get out of combos 100% of the time!
Full retard. Enjoy getting counte-broken or locked out by a simple mix up.

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>SFV will always be the biggest fighting game on the scene no matter how much reddit cries

>>376854174
>Vortex hasnt been a thing on IV since ultra came out

Then don't bring their absence as a negative. Thing or no thing, they are retarded, and you know it. I'm with you on everything else.

>>376852905
>No more updates to buy, but at the cost of choosing to grind or pay for more characters.
they do not want you to grind thats the whole point they want it to be possible but easier to just buy them.
>>376853978
whats the difference between making super SFV a update and a disk? what your saying is retarded

>>376853897
>I just see no appeal in NRS games.

I don't care for Injustice but I think Mortal Kombat is alright.

>>376854485
I'll enjoy not playing your casual trash and play a real fighting game next month.

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>We lived to see the day where an NRS game is actually better than a Street Fighter game

Lads, we literally live in the darkest timeline

>>376853998
>SF5's shallowness comes when you can't really branch out and create your own combo situations

This more or less. And the problem is exacerbated by the fact that you CAN create those situations but the returns just diminish so people all end up playing like this >>376853042
>>376853171
>zoning and playing solid footsies

I'd really love to check your definitions of both of those. Footsies are not inherently defensive neither is zoning.

i dont like SFV because in SFIV i was a defensive player that mained Fei Long and was all about footsies

and neither of it exist in SFV

also if i had to play offensive i mained Yang and C.Viper

but their gameplay dont exist anymore in SFV too

so i cant play my style

>>376853850
I sure did, I phrased that really poorly.
What I meant was that for most characters, it comes down to using throws as the only viable way to mix someone up. That means that the entire pressure game is centered around making them respect your buttons enough to keep them blocking (as opposed to jumping out or jabbing out) and then throwing them. (Or the opposite, make them try to jab out and nail them with frame traps)
Compare that to games like ASW's fighters, where you have to watch out for tons of mix-up, unblockables, and guard crushes, etc. in addition to the aforementioned throw/frame trap pressure.
Hearing someone talk about how important it is to have "strong offense" in SFV sounds really odd to me, since the entire offensive aspect is just a minor part of what I'm used to it being.

>>376854637
>We lived to see the day where an NRS game is actually better than a Street Fighter game

I haven't merged with your timeline yet. Are you referring to IJ2? I know you don't mean MKX.

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>>376850518
It's bad. The game is so bare bones, even in it's current state. Not to mention, the amount of times Ive seen people rage quit, made me lose my fucking mind. I was in silver for the longest time because of that shit.
>but the update fixed that so they will have time out
Yeah, so now it's less often but it still happens. You're better off with any other fighter desu

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>>376854573
>out of arguments
>c-casual trash
Yeah thought so.

And whatever you play will end up more dead than KI in a month since none of them will have crossplay in a niche genre anyway.

>>376853710

Yeah, go ahead and tell me this wasn't the hypest shit since Poongko fought with Daigo on EVO. I'll wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0WoVPm5aj4

>>376854174
SFIV
>Delayed wake up
>Invinsible backdash
>Focus back dash
>DP (not every character had one but hey, variation and MU knowledge)
>FADC DP
>Ultra
>Super

SFV
>slide back wakeup
>DP (not every character had one but hey, variation and MU knowledge)
>Super
>V-reversal

>>376854705
>footsies dont exist in SFV

How to spot a bronze shitter

>>376852538
You can't come back from a PR suicide like "hey we're putting League of Legends paid stats buffs in a fighting game, the best of which are store-exclusive preorder bonuses".

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>>376854526
>Fighting scene doesn't matter it doesn't equal sales. No cunt bought SFV.
>Smash is the biggest game on the fighting scene and its not even a fighting game.

>>376854235
Already a member of the CPH one, haven't seen any other ones.

>GG > Blazfis
FT5 me in Revelator on PS3/4 right now.

>>376853046
>Killer Instinct
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOGDB6Bkc_0

>>376854843
>>376853710

Actually, watch this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca7NrAXcEXQ

>>376854845
V-reversals dont beat throws tho.

>>376848760
And you'll still play it

>>376854905
>>376854235
Or, wait, FT5 me in like half an hour, a friend wants to play.

>>376854976
so it doesn't count as a defensive option if it doesn't beat all possible offensive options? I didn't know those were the rules, my b

>>376854652
Conversely, though, I don't like the only solution to that being moves that have super small, deliberately tight linking windows. Then you basically shit on the concept of hit confirms (if you have to link in order to make a cancel work, your hit confirm is dependent on you knowing the specific timing of what you're trying to do instead of something that is low-damage but reliable because it doesn't require a lot of precision to stick).

I've gotten better at linking in SF4 but I drop links a lot too. It's such a dice roll, I feel. At least in SF5 I don't feel that frustration. Stuff just works because you don't need to link things. All I want is less framed combos and more freedom to do lights into mediums. Nothing fancy, just less restriction.

>>376855036
Does make a good Frisbee

>>376854854
except you cant play around it

everyone plays rushdown, and it works

and you know it

but you have to trashtalk to imply you have some lvl at a game

>>376854757
>Hearing someone talk about how important it is to have "strong offense" in SFV sounds really odd to me, since the entire offensive aspect is just a minor part of what I'm used to it being.

I actually totally agree with you on this point. It sounds odd to me too. The "strong offense" requirement only visibly manifests at the highest levels of play and this is precisely my problem with the game which is why I originally specified shitters. Shitters are playing an entirely different game consisting of maybe learning 1 set up, one combo into super, and just being lame as fuck in general. These are generally the people complaining about the game being boring. It's true, relative to USF4 the game IS boring. But I just get upset when the people who are literally making the game boring complain about it. The pros just respond to whatever the current meta is and try to break it slightly.

>>376854905
hvad er dit navn?

>>376855078

Jeg kan ikke spille nu jeg laver speciale

It doesn't really matter.

Street Fighter is carried by name and no one bother with the other fighters. Not only the genre requires a considerable amount of time to truly enjoy it but it is also quite complex to the majority of people. SF and NRS games are the only ones that carry some weight even though NRS die real quick and SF5 is fucking terrible.

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>>376854526
It will be. Even if SFV dies Capcom will just make the game go free to play since it has an F2P model built into it at the price of a regular game.

I just see SFV as a cash grab for Capcom to get out of the clutches of Sony.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/6127t9/why_i_think_capcoms_approach_to_defensive_options/

>>376855190
>can't play footsies in SFV

How to spot a bronze shitter

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>>376855305
>literally un-ironically actually linking to reddit

>>376855082
I think they kind of count since i put focus backdashes there as an option and those dont beat throws too.

>>376855205
PSN is EXmAceOfHearts12. Just shoot me a message whenever you want some matches.
My exams aren't til next month, so I've got plenty of free time.

>>376854917
That sounds more like Microsoft got bood desu. Makes sense since MS has been garbage to their users and developers since the Xbone's inception.

>>376855193
>Shitters are playing an entirely different game consisting of maybe learning 1 set up, one combo into super, and just being lame as fuck in general

Complain if you want but I like my cr.MP, MK, LK Tatsu, HP Shoryuken with Akuma. Never gotten old yet (playing Akuma has kept the game consistently fresh for me).

>>376855396
Can't type more than 2k words on 4chan because it's designed for illiterate individuals

>>376854903
thats not how you use greentext you faglord

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>>376855396
It's 2017, linking to Reddit is perfectly fine and telling people to go back to there is filtered. Grow up.

>>376855193
Aight, I see your point, then.
Admittedly, some of the pros have some neat set-ups and mix-up.
SMUG and Xian come to mind.

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>>376855508
>>376855564
times have changed.

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>>376855206
No one plays any fighting game online. All that matters is hard sales. Stop dick sucking Max.

Street Fighter IP is dead. Capcom will milk idiots that still play this trash for a year or two. Mortal Kombat is the worlds favourite fighting game. No salty tears from Capcbros that suck on SFV rootkit covered girl dick will ever change this fact.

>>376855704
This. The fact that Capcom had to run to Sony for funding of a SF game is telling. And then the new MvC looks like it's going to be outsourced shit too. Hopefully the gameplay of that is at least decent so I don't have to skip it like MvC3.

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>release Kolin
>she's shit and boring
>release Ed
>objectively one of the most fun characters in the game

What did they mean by this?

>>376855704
>Stop dick sucking Max.
I don't even lik max, i was just stating a fact, NRS sell a shitload and than die 2 months later. It doesn't matter to them because they already got the money. SF5 relied on people continually playing the game for a long time but that ain't happening.

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>>376855913
Kolin is cute.

>>376855493
I'm not complaining about the game as much as I'm complaining about other people's complaining. I do find aspects of the game undesirable but the only boredom I get from the game is wait times and people playing boring. I can't count the number of times I've seen someone bitch on SRK about the game being boring and then play cancerously on the game.

>>376855704
>Street Fighter IP is dead.

I want to discuss this.

>>376855704
>Mortal Kombat is the worlds favourite fighting game

No one plays NRShit for more than a month. I'm fucking praying the T7 release is good, so we can actually have a good game in the spotlight for once.

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>>376855913
>master kolin players
>boring

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SFV is like COD everyone hates its fanbase.
Except COD actually sells.

SFV got left behind.

>>376855807
It will probably have the exactly same game play but the gems might spice it up a bit, i just hope it doesn't have x factor.or retarded ass character like phoenix and sentinel.

>>376856048
>master kolin players

Mike Ross?

>>376855913
>rerelease balrog but give him a projectile and make him a white boi
>fun

nah

>>376856027
This overexpectation of Tekken's success is desperate.

Like this is LITERALLY not going to happen. Believing SF5 shitting the bed is going to make Tekken more relevant than in years past is a pipe dream.

>>376856130
>gay white boi

Fixed that for you.

>>376855913
>Kolin
>arguably the most exciting character in the game
>boring

What?

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>>376856130
>thinking Ed is even Balrog-esque outside of the lore

My only real problem with the game is the monetization of it. People defended the system to death for being superior to the Expansion pack system when in reality its not. It costs more to buy everything released in 5 than did to buy 4 + expansions and it does help that shit like recolors and new stages cost a good amount of fight money to unlock.

>>376856130
But that does sound fun.

>>376856257
>It costs more to buy everything released in 5

Why would you buy everything, you dumb niglet.

>>376856027
Tekken 7's already like #6 on the EVO entrants list so it won't be in the spotlight anytime soon.

>>376856135
SFV is only relevant because Sony and Capcom keep funneling money into the e-sports scene. The same way Activision keeps funneling money into the CoD e-sports scene. The difference between CoD and SFV is that CoD actually sells. SFV flopped. Everyone is itching to play a meaningful fighter and Tekken looks to be that fighter.

You'd still see more USF4 being streamed if Capcom didn't make TO's sign an agreement to not host USF4 if SFV was present.

>>376856007
yeah, it sure as hell isn't. Not with this level of merch, esports support, and continued brand recognition. It's not like SFV bombing will make the world magically forget that Ryu, Chun-li, and Zangief exist.

SFV is a dead end, but that doesn't mean the SF property has to be buried.

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>>376856027
>thinks EVO matters

WB don't care WB got money for MKX. Lots of money.
There wont ever be another Street Fighter game. You do know Darkstalkers Resurrection sold around 1.5 million also same as SFV

>>376856093
Sounds more like Tripwire shooters than CoD

>>376856257
I dunno man, I only wanted Guile and Urien, and I got them both for free. Compared to being forced to buy Ultra just so I could get my nigga Hugo, and some other faggots I never play, I much prefer the new model.

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Don't people just move on from games they dont like

What is it about SFV that makes Reddit so upset and feel the need to constantly try to bring it down?

>>376856558
Because of the impact the SF name has on fighting games.

When SF fucks up it's like everything is in disarray. Even I feel that way. I'm confused by what I should be doing as a player when SF5 can't deliver.

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>>376856386
SFV isn't Esports faggot.
LOL is.
SFV is dead. Its done. Fucking toast. Namco wont even make Tekken X SF because they don't want that skank near their game.
They let Akuma in T7 out of pity.

>>376856381
>Everyone is itching to play a meaningful fighter and Tekken looks to be that fighter.

This is pure delusion. I'm one of those people and I recognize I'm delusional.

>>376856770
>Street Fighter is brand poison

It's precious you think that.

I like SFV and enjoy it.

>>376856332
The game isn't even out yet, what do you expect?

>>376856770
>same numbers on streams
>still tons of people online
>SFV is dead

I wish.

>>376856394
Not to mention that they're doing the same shit with Injustice and now people are falling for the meme again.

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>>376856813

Tekken 7 is better than SFV. It even has a better Akuma. Tell gay Lion-O I said hi.

>>376856642
>I'm confused by what I should be doing as a player when SF5 can't deliver.

Play SFV. If anything Capcom has proven the brand loyalty to be unshakable so we either adjust or get grandpa'd. Otherwise it's like trying to find a good MMO after WoW.

>>376854637
NRS games always sold more than SF games though.

>>376856967
Being better never saved anything.

>>376856327

Why would I not want everything?

Like in 4, I had two mains (Honda + Guy) and 5 additional characters I would throw out for shits and giggles ( Adon, Gen, Ryu, Rose, and Dhalsim). So seeing characters I would like to play in 5 behind unreasonable walls does nothing but frustrate me.

>>376856539

Well, it's not meant for me. I mean I've never going to be an EVO champ, so I might as well get some fun from diversifying.

>>376856770
perhaps I used the wrong wording, but it's a fact that Capcom continues to support the tournament scene, and that several other circuits have popped up as well. Not nearly as large as LOL, god no, but that's not the point.

if SFV is "dead" competitively, then every other game aside from Smash must be entombed.

It's just a dead end - won't sell any more copies, won't ever get bigger than it is right now, and the only hope for Capcom to see any more RoI is to keep churning out costume DLC.

And nobody does anything in business for "pity", don't be a moron. Akuma is popular, it got people clicking on links to T7 news, and might just move a few more copies of the game.

>>376856394
>There wont ever be another Street Fighter game.

Are people in /v/ really this stupid?

>>376857073
Having more sales does not necessarily make a game better

>>376856770
>SFV isn't Esports
FIghting by default is esports.
It's just Grassroots.
Like Street Basketball or DDR competitions.

>>376856967
There's plenty of better things than the most popular thing. That doesn't mean it'll snap enough drones out of playing the most-known thing for the better games to get the spotlight.

>>376854778
Yeah. you're in silver because of rage quitters.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

>>376857160
>he paid full prices for every SF4 expansion but only plays a couple of characters

Must be easy spending mommy's money

>>376857160
>unreasonable walls
>6 characters for 20 bucks
wasn't AE and Ultra 5 characters for 20 bucks? How is this more of a ripoff? At worst it's the exact same level of jewery.

>>376857187
>if SFV is "dead" competitively, then every other game aside from Smash must be entombed.

Not to derail your correct point, but Smash isn't anywhere as huge as SFV.

>>376857403
It's bigger.

>>376852145
No way your character of multiple months is beating a character of 2 days i cant believe it tell me more.

>USF4
>everyone is too much fun to play, they all play vastly different from one another and i have trouble deciding who to play because they're all fun so I random

>SFV
>everyone plays the same and is boring, noone is fun to play, end up just playing gief for 15-30 minutes and then quitting for 2-3 weeks before trying again.

>>376857403
>but Smash isn't anywhere as huge as SFV

Uh yes it is

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>>376857461
Maybe on /v/ my friend.

>>376856923
You don't understand. Capcom have said in the past if a mainline entry of an IP fails to sell over 2 million they will discontinue that IP.

All 1.5 million people that bought SFV could play it online and it would still be dead Anon. To non Faggot Gamers Club dead doesn't mean is it active online or played at EVO. It means its DEAD done no more entries will be made.

Understand this we don't care if it will still be played at some shitty Faggot gamer Club meet up years down the line. Street Fighter is dead like the Mass Effect is dead.

>>376857526
If you are talking about stream #s, participants, and events, not even by a longshot. A couple majors a year is jack shit compared to SFV.

>>376857403
It's the only one that comes close. But then, I'm conflating both of the scenes together - seems like every weekend there's a smash exclusive tournament going on somewhere, but I don't pay attention to whether it's melee or sm4sh.

and of course we all see the turnout the games get at EVO.

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>SFV is casual shit with a good chunk of tech replaced by COSTUMESCOSTUMESCOSTUMESCOSTUMES
>MKX is dead shit
>IJ2 is fresh wet shit
>GG/BB is dead because their playerbase is either too busy being salarymen or circlejerking on r/Kappa about SFV and newfags are allergic to anime
>KI is dead because Microsoft
>KOF only has Mexicans and Terryfags after Nakaruru scared everyone else off at launch
>Smash is still infested with neckbeards and ghetto manchildren who sperg over the littlest shit over their forced competitive scene of a party game

Titanic: Presented and enacted by the FGC.

>>376855426
Kk adder dig,

Hvis jeg ikke lige fanger dig så er jeg Jet.

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>>376857670
Sm4sh 14 million sold on one fail console on hit console combined
SFV 1.5 million sold on the worlds favourite console and PC combined

What games bigger again?

>>376857790
>I'm conflating both of the scenes together

Probably. Melee is doing great for an old game but for someone that actually goes to a lot of majors, its popularity is overstated online.

>>376858047
>Sm4sh 14 million

We were talking about competitive scenes you absolute retard. No one plays that game competitively.

>>376857670
If we're talking consistent entrant numbers, Smash does 300-1000 easy.

>>376858047
Smash is a party game. That's like comparing SFV to Guitar Hero or Mario Kart.

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>>376857670
Shortly after EVO last year. Smash has stayed relatively the same since, and SFV has decreased.

>>376857338
>was

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>>376858158
This thread isn't about stupid evo cucks its about how much of a fail SFV is. Never once did the OP mention Capcbro cup.

Mortal Kombat and Smash are the lords of punchy kick and theres nothing you can say that will ever change that. Enjoy SFV as it will be the last one.

>NetherRealms makes a godlike MK (MK9)
>scrap everything that made it good and make Injustice, MK10, and Injustice 10

>Arksys makes a great update to GG with GGAC+r
>Arksys fucks it up with SIN
>announces Revelator 6 months after SIN
>announces Reveator 2 a few weeks after Revelator


>Capcom makes a godlike SF (USF4)
>scrap everthing that made it good and make SFV


What is happening?

>>376858164
At Dreamhack maybe. The prizepool is often less than $2000 at a lot of their "majors."

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>>376857670
>If you are talking about stream #s, participants, and events, not even by a longshot

I am, and if you do a little research, you'll find that smash often rivals and sometimes even surpasses SFV

>A couple majors a year is jack shit compared to SFV
This is horse shit, Smash games have PLENTY more than a couple majors per year.

>>376858413
GG is actually coming out at a slower rate than SFIV/Super/Arcade did.

>>376858413
>MK9
>Good

Fuck off, nobody liked watching or playing Kabal vs Kabal: The Game

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¿Porque nadie quiere jugar KoF?

>>376858293
Literally happens every year. People watch up until Evo and then wait till CC. Doesn't mean anything its just the structure of the season because all the important majors are done.

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>>376858293
OH fuck a Gamecube game from 2002 gets more views. HOLY FUCK. SFV just fails at everything.

>>376858680
kabal never won a major

>>376858698
Porque nadie juega KoF

>>376858462
Melee has literally 5 majors a year and rarely goes beyond 500 contestants. That's jack shit.

>>376858440
We're comparing them through PRIZE POOLS now?
LoL and DoTA may get yet they're pulling millionaire profit within three consistent wins.

>>376858158
>No one plays that game competitively
>second entrants at EVO
:thinking:

>tfw Capcom releases it's worst SF at the exact moment that the FGC is picking up enough to justify throwing money at it

SFV is literally a corpse on life support - it's just being propped up by e-sports and it's name. If this game came out even 5 years ago it would be way, way smaller - perhaps even dead.

The pros are only playing it because it's the tournament standard and means money

So they stream it and the game gets exposure - combined with the very simple fact of 'newest street fighter' makes it bulletproof despite being shit

I miss SFIVAE 2012 so fucking much

>>376858794
Doesn't mean he wasn't broken.

>>376857614
>Capcom have said in the past if a mainline entry of an IP fails to sell over 2 million they will discontinue that IP.
Anyone who took this comment literally is a literal retard. When Ono said that, he was just throwing a number out there for the sake of conversation.

>>376858863
see
>>376858827

>>376858890
Why don't we pull up those entrant numbers?

the way capcom handles this games reminds of the way nexon handles their games. shitty servers, microtransaction, Updates that do nothing most of the time. new character is OP as fuck for some time then it is nerfed. There will always be so OP as fuck character in each season of the game and the staff will do nothing to fix him. low tier characters will get nerfed because why the fuck not and so on

>>376858892
>I miss Yun Fighter 4
fuck off

https://twitter.com/Filipinoman/status/863119152201859072

>>376859025
because EVO's hiding their entrant numbers but released a top 10 list.

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>>376858930

>>376859124
i said 2012 retard

which was after his nerf

try reading you fucking mongoloid 09er

>>376859025
You mean like how Texas Showndown went from 512 in 2016 to 174 in 2017 for SFV?

>>376859292
You mean like how Texas Showdown isn't important to SF pros?

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>>376858993
I wasn't Ono it was Capcom higher ups on why Dragons Dogma will never get a follow up. There will never be a SFVI. Never liked fighting games but I am kinda glad this fact most likely ruins SFV for you.
Each time you play that game it will be at the back of your mind how this game failed.
So come at me with your best put down as I am a complete dick that plays COD so I have heard it all anon. Kill yourself and your gay game.

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>>376859159
And nothing of value was lost. Out of the 2 Filipino (champ and man), he was the literal who

>>376859393
Fucking newfags god damn

>>376859451
Still a better player than you'll ever be.

>>376857614
>Capcom have said in the past if a mainline entry of an IP fails to sell over 2 million they will discontinue that IP.

DmC failed to make 1.4 million sales.
Devil May Cry still got a DMC4 Remastered edition

So that statement is false.

>>376859159
>https://twitter.com/Filipinoman/status/863119152201859072
OH fuck the fat autistic guys are dropping the game. That's it game over man.

>>376858892
>SFV is literally a corpse on life support - it's just being propped up by e-sports and it's name. If this game came out even 5 years ago it would be way, way smaller - perhaps even dead

Shitpost or not, it's kinda sad that when you think about it, this is actually very true.

Crapcom really fucking fucked up. They were supposed to save fighting games not shit the bed.

>>376859390
Alright, show me an event that went up in number.

>finally

We woke up when the game was released and never touched it again.

>>376852741
>Now play some fucking Guilty Gear and learn a real fighting game.
xrd is the easiest GG to learn and is insanely easy t learn. the random bullshit mechanics being added each new updates are a problem tho.
I can play GGXX installment just fine. but I hate Xrd. BB CP and CF are far better games

>>376859560
i have more respect for that guy then the whiners who keep bitching about it everytime sfv gets mentioned

that dude is a pro player and even though he makes money from playing it, he made a statement that he's done and no amount of money is worth playing that trash

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>>376859556
>Thinks remaster is sequel

Seriously your a Mongoloid

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>>376859548
Oh, without a doubt. Doesn't mean hes not pure washed out garbage and that no one gives a damn

>>376859837
I see. That's why you are replying, right?

>>376859837
>r/street fighter memes

Jesus fuck kid show some class.

>>376859393
Ono said it in regard to the Darkstalkers series, fucking Google it. Also never once have "Capcom higher ups" stated that Dragon's Dogma will never get a follow up.

The "2 million or no sequel" statement has been contradicted multiple times since then, and while people will just say "hurr capcom changed their minds because the plan didn't work out" it's obvious that Ono just pulled a big number from his arse to prove a point. It was never some official company policy.

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>>376851486
How the fuck DO you play Kolin? Everybody really does just back the fuck up all day and I have no idea how to get in with her.

>/v/ talking about fighting games
kek
Just FYI, what ever you read here is probably going to be wrong or shitposting.

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>>376859921
Just giving you your daily (You). You've been spamming that tweet for the past week like its a godsend. I thought you might get disappointed if no one noticed your effort

>>376859784
Or the whiners who play the game still when they clearly hate it. Same thing that annoyed me with Overwatch was my friends bitching about how every match was bad or they didn't get upboats but kept playing.

>>376850713
but that's wrong you dummy, they only play sfv because they get paid to.

gg/kof players know better so they never go to capcomfag tourneys and play their games away from gorilla eyes.

>>376860296
Oh, the good old "everyone who disagrees with me is the same person" shitposting.

>>376859975
Ono doesn't matter. You think he wont get fired once his contract is up. That fucker is gone.
Street Fighter IP is dead. We don't play SFV as most of us don't play shit games but we sure do like laughing at games like SFV and Mass Effect Andromeda.
This is /v/ buddy if you want a echo chamber go back to r/SF. Us we keep this meme alive for as long as retards like you keep getting triggered by it. Because this shits funny.

>>376859784
lol if you think he didn't go out and buy a back up copy before making his "statement"

>>376858413
what was fucked up about SIN?

>>376860436
t. bronze

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>>376860605
True it can be found in bargain bins anon.

>>376858413
>announces Reveator 2 a few weeks after Revelator

What did he mean by this?

>>376854380
america had to censor her so you couldn't beat up a woman opponent or feminists would complain and sue

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>>376860408
Where's the disagreement? Filipinoman is, was, and always has been garbage. Why should anyone care? Besides he did the same thing to a disc of USF4 and still came back. Its the only way he gets attention anymore. Now heres your last (You) kiddo. Run along

>>376861040
He's still a better player than you.

>>376861040
>wanks off to trannies

>>376861157
familia, he'd stomp anyone in this thread, but that doesnt stop him from being a pleb loool

>>376861275
They're called traps, grandpa. Get it right.

>>376861343
No one in this thread plays fighting games. It's just shitposting.

>>376861343
His opinion is more important than yours though :^)

>>376860379
those are people who don't play other games.
KOF/GG and Tekken player avoid the capcom tournaments because of how shitty the SF and MvC community acts towards other games.
SF is the Call of Duty of fighting games. Capcom even uses the same tactic as Activision to keep inserting money to make it big on the eSport scene

would anyone like to play xrdr/kof14/mkx? ps4 us east

>>376861468
was meant to>>376850713

>>376861395
>They're called traps, grandpa. Get it right.
But Poison doesn't actually hide the fact so how can she be a trap.

>>376861468
I'm pretty sure most fighting games players appreciate nearly all fighting games. People who talk shit about other fighting games are generally just shitposters or people who don't really know much about the genre in general.

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>>376860436
>unwittingly quote Ono as evidence of some dumb shit
>get called out
>"Ono doesn't matter. haha ur game sux"
apply yourself

>>376861468
>SFV is like Call of Duty but for fighting games.
When was the last time CoD sold as little as 1.5 million.

>>376861430
>Defending Filipinopleb

fucking lol

>>376861468
>SF is the Call of Duty of fighting games
Yeah sure, if you forget about the fact that nobody bought the new SF

>>376861985
He didn't quote Ono though. Its was Hideaki Itsuno talking about how Capcom wont let him make DD2 and how he had to settle for Dragons Dogma Online. Its true Capcom has shitty rule.

>>376862064
I'm not defending anyone. I'm just stating the fact that he has more authority then you'll ever have.

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>>376861854
"THIS IS MY GAME! YOU ARE NOT THE CHAMPION, I AM THE CHAMPION!"
>Proceeds to get bodied in grand finals

Man Fchamp is such an idiot

>>376862280
>I'm just stating the fact that he has more authority then you'll ever have
Lmaooo is he my dad or something

Do you even know what authority means kiddo, im dead

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>>376859784
>that dude is a pro player and even though he makes money from playing it, he made a statement that he's done and no amount of money is worth playing that trash

He's moving to the more lucrative game right after said game announced a giant prize pool.

http://www.fgcnow.com/injustice-2/injustice-2-will-600k-championship-series/

>>376862276
Hideaki Itsuno never said anything about Capcom having a policy of 2 million copies sold or no sequel, that was Ono. Both of you need to Google it.

>>376862415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=XKdJ6DnPhzk

>>376853619
>block button

instantly discarded

>>376862415
>Capcom 2 million rule has been common knowledge since God Hand and Killer 7

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>Tfw knocked from Silver to Ultra Bronze
If I could just make Gold I'd be happy. That's my end goal in this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqCeSazOzs0

play a better game

>>376862624

What's the problem with it? You're just pressing a different button than the back button, which means you're not moving black if there's nothing to block, forcing you to crouch block if you want to stand still.

>>376862836
>Takes up a button
>Eliminates cross-ups

>>376862820
>PURE AUTISIM
FGC was a mistake.

I used to be a god at Street Fighter with ST but the direction that the series have taken is pure shit.

3rd Strike and USFIV were shit but at least they were entertaining to watch. SFV fails in everything.

>>376863009

>defending cross "my character animation is pointing that way but I'm actually hitting this way because of hitboxes, so you can't orient yourself" ups

Stop posting anytime, my dude.

>>376863084

FGC autism is funny as fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB1uQmvmh_k

>>376863218

Why don't you present a counter-argument instead of saying "this is bait"?

>>376863250
>Defending watered-down NRS baby shit
Good games for teaching absolute beginners how to do special move inputs and basic combo chains due to the gratuitous link windows, but that's about it. There is no real tech in NRS fighters.

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>>376863250
>my character animation is pointing that way but I'm actually hitting this way because of hitboxes

>>376863330

Could you beat SonicFox at MK XL, if it's so easy?

>>376862806
Nobody in gold is good though. I am gold but I was cheesing everyone with Mika last time I played this game which was many months ago.

>>376862806
How can you not be anything above silver in this bland shit of a fighting game

>>376863826
DOA5, Skullgirls, MK, Uniel, Injustice.

>>376863563
I would honestly have a fair shot at it, since there are so few factors to pay attention to. You can't deny that it always goes the same way in NRS fighters: take a character into training, completely an utterly master them within a few hours, go online, and then go on an obscene win streak while NRS babies rage quit, put their controllers down, and invite you to chats so they can bitch. It's the reason I dropped MKX and I won't be picking up Injustice 2, there's nothing to these games, especially considering the braindead playerbase.

>>376863886
>I made gold during the launch window with S1 50/50 Mika taking everyone off guard so therefore no one in gold currently is good
Okay

>>376864005

You literally described Tekken, MK, Street Fighter, KOF, Blazblue, Guilty Gear, Skullgirls, Persona and Smash Bros. online experiences, though.

>>376863826
Yes he can
>Dominated MK9, MKX and Injustass
>Dominated DOA until he stop giving a shit
>Dominated Skullgirls until he stopped giving a shit
>Dominated P4A until he stopped giving a shit
>Dominated UNIEL until he stopped giving a shit

Made NRS games boring to watch by Gatekeeping 1st place every time and the boi even reached top 8 in SFV
When will y'all acknowledge he's one of the greatest

Anybody EU want some SFV Beta games? I wanna try my Ed out against you fucks.

>>376864279
ASW doesn't work like that at all. Good luck learning any character other than Ragna or Jin entirely through training mode.
Ya' gotta learn confirms and defences, not just combos.

>>376864502
Made top 8 with FANG too.

>>376851284

> the most stagnant game ever

Nah, lol.

>>376864502
Who ya' referring to?

>>376864572
Are you having trouble finding people?
Yesterday I got a pretty good amount of games with Ed and I'm not even in NA.

>>376864502
Since SFV has grown hes washed out. He was good in the beginning because no one knew the character. And he plays like a NRS character. He cant hang anymore

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who are the good cammy players to watch and copy?

best costume for cammy?

>>376864726
Nah, I find people pretty easily, I just want to try out fighting /v/.
It's been a while.

>>376864656
Sonic Fox.

Was originally replyin to someone but his post got deleted, maybe the mod is a sonic fox dick rider or something
>>376864734
idk man, the last time he played in sfv in tournament he got into top 8.
He prolly just stopped giving a shit and went back to MKX, he always said how he never liked Street Fighter so much