Most intellectual, mature videogame

>>376844048
Dark Souls xDD

>>376844048
Planet Escape Tournement

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>>376844048

Undertale

>>376844196
fuck you made me laugh

>>376844048
>most intellectual
>dark

I'm sure your favrit star wars movie is Rots.

>>376844048
This could have been a decent thread but you had to post this reddit anime

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if you wanted a kanna thread you could have just asked op

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>>376844048
These ones.

Shame these threads immediately devolve into shitposting.

But I nominate Pathologic, The Void, Cryostasis, Silent Hill 2, SotC, and arguably Bastion.

>>376844048
Some of the quests in The Witcher 3 deal with some heavy subjects, domestic violence, miscarriages, international politics, coup de'tas. But it's also full of juvenile humor and sex jokes, so hard to say it's mature.

>>376844048
>Time for adults to talk
>Manchild weeaboo right in the OP

Can't even get the thread off the fucking ground.

>>376844048
WHY IS SHE SO FUCKING CUTE
It's not fair

>>376844048
>muh matoor adult conversation
>posts moe shit

Oh my fucking Christ Almighty give me a fucking break

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>>376844048
The psuedo-intellectual would recommend MGS2 but we all know the answer is pic related

>>376844408
How is Bloodborne artistic
>muh ripoff lovecraft derivative lore
>muh wide shots of a red moon
Yeah so artistic

Post the one with the big tits

>>376844543
literally everything is a rip-off of something

>>376844340

I want to lick Kanna's kunny!

>>376844543
>muh ripoff lovecraft derivative lore
>lovecraft
so you haven't played the game beyond central yharnam?
>muh wide shots of a red moon
>he doesn't know the significance of water, dreams and the red moon

>>376844048
Legend of Heroes: Trails In The Sky trilogy

Intellectual games dont exist

>>376844512
>this is what gaymers find artistic
Lmao, watch some real films you fucking pleb.

>>376844473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aNIRzcLSwk
TOO CUTE

>>376844457
Specifically, everything surrounding the bloody baron is top tier writing.

>>376844927
Where do you think you are?

>>376844457
The Witcher is pretty good, but ultimately ends up being "just" a good genre fiction. And I say that as somebody who has a lot of love for the series.
Also, I think that TW3 actually dealt (at least in the vanilla game, can't really speak about the DLC now) with the least mature themes of the three. The absolute high-point of the game was clearly the Blood Baron, which dealt with some pretty heavy shit and some really good character storytelling, but everything else, as good as it was (well, not everything was good, the last ark was a mess), it was still fairly standard fantasy shit.

TW1 had it's central theme (outside of the whole "breaking the moral oppositions trope") on the tragedy of Geralts faith, something that was borrowed from the books, but it was actually some pretty sad and interesting meta-narrative shit.
And TW2 had the best character arks in the story, most character-driven story, and the really, really damn good final moral dilemma, arguably the best in the entire series.
I think TW1 and TW2 ultimately touched on more mature themes, especially in regards to the main storyline, than the last one vanilla did.

All three were pretty great (and really terrible at times) in their own unique ways. But I would not consider them the staple of mature writing in gaming.

>>376844926
Explain Strange Journey then.

>>376844048
Super Mario Bros.

>>376844408
I think they meant to write autistic

>>376845076
>Strange Journey
>Not Nocturne

ITT: Normies flock to nominate their shitty pretentious movie games
Fml

>>376845018
A board full of plebian teenagers, apparently.

>>376845153
>Fml
I think you are entirely capable of fucking your own life yourself.

>>376845020
Roche in TW2 is a pretty damn well written ultra-nationalist/racist but at the same time you can actually empathize with him because of how dire the situation is for Temeria.

>>376845020
Do I need to slog through the outdated messes that are W1 and W2 to enjoy and understand W3?

>>376845315
W2 is not outdated

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>>376845149
Strange Journey is a lot more mature and intellectual compared to Nocturne. The themes in Nocturne are too simple and straightforward while Strange Journey is more thought provoking.

Nocturne is just flashy demons and Devil May Cry grimdark crap. Strange Journey is an actual adult entertainment in the form of videogame.

>>376844408
>MGS2
>Majora's Mask
>Pathologic
>SH2
>PST
Yes

>Drakengard
>Bloodboring
>Ico
>SoC
Ahahahahahah no

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>>376844748
get in line

>>376844408
>Fail at making a game
>Wait for retards to call it art
>Have Yuji Horii like it for some reason so you can repeat it three more times

Yoko Taro should write books on how to become a successful hack.

>>376845387
>Same Law vs Chaos story that has been told countless times
>Versus the subtext underlying each person's Reason in Nocturne

>>376845439
ICO and SotC were among the first games to be considered art and both belong on that list over MM.

>>376845439
All shit compared to Strange Journey

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>>376844048
>mature
>DARK

Jesus Christ how 14 can you be. Dark shit is bait for kids who mistake pessimism for maturity.

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>>376844048
Video games are not artistic and never will be
this shit right here >>376844408 is fucking embarrassing if that's really the best video games have to offer in terms of artistic value

>>376845258
Well, that basically means "good characters" in general.
>>376845315
Honestly, the games are not going to help you THAT much if you don't know the books anyway. TW1 makes the introduction into the settings much easier thanks to the convenient amnesia thing that allows Geralt to ask questions and get some character profiles and basic lore setup but then again most of what happens in that game is largely irrelevant to the second and third game.
The second one throws you right into the thick of it, but does fill in a gaps on a lot of the political background that does actually matter in TW3.

But majority of TW3 basically just goes "fuck it, we are starting where the books ended" so even if you played both of those games, you are still going to be faced with a LOT of shit that the game acts casually about but you still never heard off.

The series is playable from any point of the trilogy though. And whenever you start, you'll always feel a bit out-of-place and lost if you did not read the books.

>>376845691
>Dark shit is bait for kids who mistake pessimism for maturity.
This, you were supposed to grow out of it after watching Death Note.

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STOP sexualizing my daughteru!

>>376844048
RapeLay

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the only choice

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New Vegas
>this isn't even a competition lads

>>376845712
Strange Journey is deeper, more intellectual, more thought provoking than literally any movie or book you can name.

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>>376845691
pessimism is up there

>>376845757
>>376845712
>>376845691
This shit just makes me wonder where the fuck has humanity taken a wrong turn. Though honestly, I guess it's just that now thanks to places like this, stupidity is just more visible than ever.

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>>376845784
Transform!
Anti-lewd ranger!

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>>376844543
>How is Bloodborne artistic

>>376845691
Dark doesn't have to be pessimism or nihilism or whatever the fuck -ism you want to pin on it. A lot of things in life are dark, just because you never had to experience them doesn't mean they do not exist. In fact you saying such a thing is all but confirming that you're a pretty sheltered human being.

>>376845712
It's not the best, it's just something some faggot put together as part of a "muh art" argument, which only children partake in.
The adults have no reason to create something like that because they know games can be art and don't feel the need to fight people into agreeing.

>>376845916
Wrong turn huh?

your mom took the wrong sperm

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>>376845984

>>376844340 >>376845459 >>376845984
Why are Kanna's thighs so thick?

>>376845315
Original Witcher's only real problems, if you could even call them that, are the combat system, the voice acting and the animations are a bit janky, otherwise, in terms of music, story, quests, characterization, they are all top fucking notch. Now, the fundamental mechanics of battle are very simplistic, but we're talking about a game using a heavily modified game engine made for party-based RPGs. There's not a lot they could have done, and if you know anything about the history of CDPR and what they were up to before working on the Witcher games, then you'd know how familiar they were with those games before working on W1.

As for Witcher 2, I don't even know what you're talking about there, it's not even that old to begin with.

>>376846000
Actually he's not wrong, I say this as someone whose seen plenty of "dark" shit.

Infact, its mostly kids who've never experienced dark things that are so into it, clearly compensating for something.

Dark situations and themes have their place as much as the lighter stuff, but to mistake it for "maturity" is laughable. There are children's books with more wisdom and depth to them than many grim and grey wankfests out there.

>games
>art

>>376845873
>he measures artistic value on how "deep" or "intellectual" a piece of work is
If you're going to argue a point it's best not to out yourself as a plebeian

>>376845712
Journey is actually one of the best pieces of art i've ever played.

Obviously Bloodborne the most sickdark of games out there.

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How can you gauge something's "Depth"?
How can you gauge how "Intellectual" something is?

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>>376846124
She's constantly eating

>>376845196
Just kill yourself /tv/, film is a shit tier medium and the only reason it's considered better than vidya is that it's marginally older
t. /lit/

>>376846187
Except that children are lacking the emotional development to actually appreciate dark themes when they are correctly implemented. And children books being written by skilled writers has nothing to do with dark themes being less capable of being portrayed in a mature light. Nobody said that things that are not dark cannot be mature.

>Intellectual

What is the video game's equivalent of a scientific paper.

>>376846382
Get a self proclaimed expert/atheist/master of something. After they start reviewing it, if they use 20+ buzzwords and half of them are used incorrectly that's how you know it's deep

>>376846382
>Childish, mainstream, casual games:

Dark Souls, Smash Bros., Pokemon, Minecraft, Overwatch, etc.

>Deep, intellectual, thought provoking piece of fiction:

SMT Strange Journey

>>376846532
>Just kill yourself /lit/, books are a shit tier medium and the only reason it's considered better than vidya is that it's marginally older
really makes you think

>>376846534
> Nobody said that things that are not dark cannot be mature.
It's a good thing you didn't.


>Except that children are lacking the emotional development to actually appreciate dark themes when they are correctly implemented.
Meh, Lemony Snicket made off well with it, so I dont know.

>>376844198
i hate therefore i kill

>>376846673
>several thousand years old
>versus about a century for film
Not really a good comparison. Also vidya is probably better than film.

>>376846187
It's equally laughable to take OP's obviously shitposting/provocative post seriously, and it's equally as laughable to claim that maturity and dark themes are unrelated entirely.
I guess a lot of people in this thread are doing a lot of really laughable things.

It's generally a good idea to realize where you are: in an obvious bait thread full of cretins reposting the same old meme buzzphrases they have saw others post a hundred times and will repost themselves a hundred time into the future. Most of the posts here are garbage, done by garbage, and should not be taken very seriously.

>>376846382
Most normal people can actually do that fairly intuitively, though it's obviously not an exact science.
Generally, people mean one of two (or both) things:
A) complexity of the narrative - e.g. how many themes does it feature, how interconnected they are, how many possible interpretations are possible, how much the game relies on external knowledge, how indirect means to communicate its points does it use.
B) relevance of it's themes: E.g. the game makes a non-trivial statement on something that has actual importance to a lot of people, and that can change (hopefully for the better) their perception of the world around or themselves in a significant manner.

The merits of "intellectual" are similar, but I'd say people imply more emphasis on the requirement of complexity (particularly the non-direct means of communication and reliance on external knowledge) than on the relevance aspect. "Intellectual" is generally used for works that are more experimental and just stretch or test the knowledge/education or comprehension of the audience, while "deep" stuff is generally supposed to make some form of strong, relevant statement or observation.

>>376846853
>It's generally a good idea to realize where you are: in an obvious bait thread full of cretins reposting the same old meme buzzphrases they have saw others post a hundred times and will repost themselves a hundred time into the future. Most of the posts here are garbage, done by garbage, and should not be taken very seriously.

Says the guy writing essays, pick a role and stay in it.

>>376844408
>Majoras Mask

It barely has any story. What the fuck?

>>376846681
The original thing I argued against was the following: "Dark shit is bait for kids who mistake pessimism for maturity" which is just 4chan shitpost levels of nonsense. Death of a Salesman is dark. Is it not mature? Give a preschooler that to read and see how much he takes away from it.

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>>376846853
>relevance of it's themes: E.g. the game makes a non-trivial statement on something that has actual importance to a lot of people, and that can change (hopefully for the better) their perception of the world around or themselves in a significant manner.
Concise way of illustrating why Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty will always be the peak of the medium.

>>376844446
>Silent Hill 2
this

>>376847000
I get where you're coming from, but I also get where the other anon is coming from too. It is actually very common for people to mistake things that are more dark with "maturity" and depth, when really that's hardly ever the case.

He's just talking shit about people so easily impressed with a little grittiness and tragedy, it kinda begins and ends there.

>>376847152
t. hasn't played Pathologic

>>376846853
So what you're saying is intellectual media "really makes you think..."

>>376847290
not him but i did and gameplay is unbearable

>>376844446
>Cryostasis

Mah nigga. It can also be pretty fucking unsettling when it wants to.

>>376844048
fuck that little loli shit

comedy shows are supposed to make me laugh and feel good

you're not supposed to make me feel lonely

>>376847154
>hardly ever the case
It's more like people think that if you add darkness it makes it more mature, rather than mature things rarely being dark.
Making things dark and edgy doesn't make them mature or meaningful.

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Himouto! Umaru-chan Ikusei Keikaku

>>376844048
Marathon 1-3

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>tfw Nier Automata made you realize that art games are a meme and game design is everything
>tfw any story can be told in a game but if its not good to play then it will always fail
>tfw the future of games is in emergent gameplay (think Stalker, DF, etc) and tight mechanics, not stories

Thankfully people are waking up to this

>>376847000
I agree that "Dark" is not a surrogate for "Mature", but there are an immense degree of stories written that contain some "Dark" thematic concept that are automatically received as significantly richer than the same equivalent without said Dark theming in it. Just because you include a main character who lost a love interest or a family member, your story is automatically "super mature, for adults, only mature audiences can understand these concepts and why it only appeals to those who have lost loved ones". It's in every form of medium that exists. I have read so many permutations of the "Humanity is fucked up and greedy and selfish and (insert bad things 3-59)" that it's grown banal and stale. I want concepts that are actually unique, interesting, and beyond the scope of a middleschooler's required reading, as to most others who actually read stories.

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Sid Meir's Alpha Centauri.
The implied changes to society as you research more and more futuristic technologies makes the future look very bleak. The description of how mind worms fight.
FUCK this game is perfect.

>>376847425
I dig it.

>>376847620
>>376847620
Everything is a meme

>>376847620
You should have always known this you dumb fuck
Mind if I save that image

>>376847813
Go for it man, its on me.

>>376847620
The true artistry in video games is how they play, not how they read or are watched. It's what sets them apart from the rest of the art world as their own multimedia. You can convey an extremely powerful boss through mechanical gameplay significantly better than you can write out "He wuz stronk lmao". Even with mid-battle attack cutscenes, an enemy doing thousands of damage compared to dozens strikes you far more immediately than any other equivalent, even if they show some zoom-in on bones breaking or muscles being rendered.

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>>376844408
>somebody actually had autism to put these together
>people actually believing vidya is art
>using filming techniques 101 in cutscenes is art
>having a story that doesn't suck ass is art
>game having a distinct look is art
>anything from east is art
They are all meant to sell like hotcakes and allowed to be published by corporate developers that meant to be played in your system of choice.
Vidya is and always will be less of "art" than shitty movies hollywood pumps/pop music solely made to be listened by teenager girls/bdsm novel written for bored housewifes since it wasn't even bastardized from it's original form but born that way.
Pseudo-intellectual walking simulator that makes you read a in game note that states it's devs personal preferences of sex while questioning god's existence along with a shitty violin melody is closest to "art" you will ever get in vidya.

>>376846109
Lucoa is for shota.

>>376845124
UNDERRATED

>>376844048
My favorite video game, of course.

>>376847892
Thanks Lori.

>>376847934
You are so stupid and drunk with your own idiotic sense of superiority it has crossed over into comical.

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>>376844408
>Drakengard
>artistic in the slightest
MUH FURIAE

>>376844446
I expected a troll thread and got correct answers instead, good stuff

Cryostasis doesn't get nearly enough love as it should, probably because of the terrible optimization, but the plot's surprisingly solid and monster design is great.

>>376848174
It actually had a more interesting story and theme without being so self-fellating like Automata, even if they're both kinda shoddy

>>376844048
Mature games are for edgy 14 yo shitters that want desperately to grow up.
Old shitters enjoy everything that takes their mind off daily obligations or reminds them of simple fun times.
Especially when it makes them feel like an edgy 14yo who desperately wants to grow up.

>>376848278
It was an obnoxious story where all the major characters motivations orbited around the dull piece of shit that was Furiae. She somehow displayed less interesting features in the game itself compared to the short story from when she was young. The only thing that made any part of the Drakengard story tolerable was the side characters being somewhat interesting, and even then it wasn't good.

>>376847934
Why is Film and Literature different? Is it because you really, really like it and say you like it because you're a super special intellectual snowflake?
>inb4 smug reply implying I think vidya is art
I don't think vidya is art and would class them as the same arrogant class as you

>>376848435
>It was an obnoxious story where all the major characters motivations orbited around the dull piece of shit that was Furiae.
Is that really all you got out of it? Only Inuart was so overly concerned with Furiae. She was the objective sure, but there was alot more going on than that.

>>376847403
>Mah nigga. It can also be pretty fucking unsettling when it wants to.
More importantly, it's pretty clever, with some really good, character driven story and some fairly clever meta-narrative and symbolic levels to it.

As a game it's crap. The actual mechanics are clunky as fuck, the puzzles are just trial and error, the game runs awfully regardlss of a computer... but the story and atmosphere is actually amazing, and I think it's hugely underrated as far as "mature" stories in games go.

>>376848250
Agreed, though I entirely understand why the game was a commerical failure considering the sheer amount of mechanical and technical issues. Still, it deserves much more recognition for the story than it gets.

>>376848570
Almost everything concerning both Cain and Inuart focused on Furiae for the vast majority of the game and it was annoying as all hell, especially with Furiae being so fucking boring. I legitimately cannot tell how anyone could praise Drakengard's story because the only game in the series I can see it being better than is Drakengard 2, which isn't exactly a hard feat.

>>376848714
lol dude, Caim was definitely more interested in killing everything with Furiae as a reason to do it, this is highlighted so much through the game its impossible to not miss it.

>>376848580
Yeah, I mean I understand why, it just seems like it has all the right ingredients for a cult following like say Ice-Pick Lodge's games, but it's really unknown even on here.

but who am i kidding there's like a dozen people on /v/ who actually play video games

Captain did nuffin wrong

>>376847903
>It's what sets them apart from the rest of the art world as their own multimedia
The fact that it's a parameter used to formally distinguish them from others does not actually mean it's the most important aspect. The most important aspect of cinema is not the motion, or the fact that hey compose of moving pictures. Letters are not the most important aspect of literature either.

This division and insistance that the formal aspect that is only important so that we know which label or word to use is really bizarre when you actually think about it.

No, the true artistry in games is exactly the same as the true artistry in any other medium: It's the value and worth of the experience, through ANY means that it achieves. Some movies are amazing because of their use of music. Some theatrical shows are amazing thanks heavily due to the use of projection on the podium alongside of the actors.

And some games are amazing because of their writing.

There is no single most important formal aspect of any other medium. There is absolutely no reason why the same should not be applied to games.

>>376848840
The situation revolving her is the main reason he springs to action to do it. Yes he's a fucking psychopath who revels in doing so, but that doesn't change that she's the primary factor for it, and the centerpiece of the story as a whole.

>>376848986
And that's not exactly a bad thing. I can understand her coming off as bland or whatever, but that device in itself is the least of the stories problems.

>>376848906
I think IPL games are still on a little bit different level, Pathologic in particular. But yeah, it's also probably a lot thanks to the "dumb luck", and ironically the fact that the game looks almost like an AAA production title, which just shifts the major expectations. When you see Pathologic, you immediately know not to expect fun polished rewarding gameplay - the very visual form, production values, the nebulous genre, the surreal aesthetics will change your expectations - you'll mind less the clunkyness because you can immediately tell the game is about something else.

Cryostasis looks and feels like it's supposed to be an eastern reply to Bioshock - like a fairly high budgeted and fairly standard survival horror shooter. People don't expect a sad, tragic story about how minor human flaws and small, arrogant choices of otherwise well-meaning people can pile up and fuel some of the biggest tragedies. They expect a survival shooter, and the game underperforms on that: so they dismiss it much more readily. Pathologic will immediately catch the attention of any turtle-neck wearing coffee house intellectual, but most of those people will never even THINK of trying Cryostasis.
That is my theory, at least.

>>376844048
Outlast 2 obviously

>>376849297
Seems reasonable enough. I had it pitched to me as survival horror, and since I tend to associate that genre with Silent Hill games I at least expected some form of DARKNESS THAT LURKS IN THE HEARTS OF MEN.

Instead I got an almost uplifting look into what you put very well, a story about minor human flaws and well-meaning people brought to tragedy. A hell of a welcome surprise, at least.

>Pathologic will immediately catch the attention of any turtle-neck wearing coffee house intellectual, but most of those people will never even THINK of trying Cryostasis
Joke's on you, I'm wearing a t-shirt.

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Dreamfall and Dreamfall Chapters can fuck right off, though.

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a game doesn't need to be dark to be deep, intellectual, or meaningful.
I feel like Antichamber falls into the hidden gem category. Each puzzle usually comes with it's own quote or phrase that identifies the puzzle and usually the type of growth you have done in order to complete the task. There's some sort of broken shell of a plot - there's two "characters", so to speak, the player and the black cube, but there's no sense in the story or setting except curiosity to find out what it is.
And that's the thing. The entire game is about learning, and doesn't present it as a kids or adults game, just a puzzle game.
Personally, I think the Black Cube represents our desire to learn everything, or is knowledge personified in the antichamber world. When we acquire that knowledge, it's over, and we delve into even deeper thoughts and possibilities - and the world that we obtained knowledge in won't apply to any other world. The end is the player saying "I am sorry for taking all knowledge - I want to restart and try again."
However, it's still just a puzzle game. It's not essential, and that's why it's so meaningful.

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>>376848128
t. butthurt indie dev that copies eastern vidya devs that also copies anime that also copies hollywood that also copies itself
>>376848442
Because they are made in different ways. Actual art that is made as a piece of art is made by artist first making it to express himself than selling it if he wants to. Both independent films and any form of literature that isn't harry potter/twilight works that way. Even when It's made that way they still basterdize the original concept of art.
Vidya is not made that way. It's made in the same way with hollywood movies and solely made for selling. A product purely made to be a product won't be art.
Besides they don't even state anything on a subject or hold any creative meaning at core, it simply comes from design team, be it music or design of the cutscenes, game itself is just pushing buttons.
Are the games made to be appreciated with no tought on selling? No.
That's why I said that indie shit with absolutely zero gameplay that trys to force something on you with touché music and whacky cutscenes is closest you will ever get for "art" in vidya.
Just enjoy the game man. It doesn't need to be some deep tought provoking piece of work to like it. Besides neither film nor literature is interactive so vidya has that advantage.

>>376849820
>A product purely made to be a product won't be art.
So what do you say to things like Cave Story or other freeware games? What do you say to corporate art in painted forms, obviously mass-produced literature, and film like Transformers or Fast and the Furious?

>>376850853
Cave Story was made for free, Pixel just wanted people to enjoy his game

Ironically CS is more art than 90% of indie games that suppose themselves to be artistic, and is actually fun to play

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>>376849820
>Actual art that is made as a piece of art is made by artist first making it to express himself than selling it if he wants to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_(art)#Commissions_for_public_art
>Throughout history, it has been common for rulers and governments to commission public art as a means of demonstrating power and wealth, or even for specific propaganda purposes.
>The most famous commissioned artwork of the Renaissance may be the Sistine Chapel ceiling at the Vatican, painted by Michelangelo as a commission for Pope Julius II.

Funny pizza land

Kirby's air ride

>>376851205
This.

Myst 3

If you want meaningful, intellectual stuff you're better off with books, film, or music right now. Games aren't quite there yet. There are definitely a few but you can play them all over the course of a couple months.

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>>376851407
fixed that for you exile is still good though

Hey, Kannafags, did you know that in the original manga the anime is based on, she's actually really thin? She has sticks for thighs and is 0% thicc.

Defend this.

>>376849820
Most artists, even the ones you jerk off get paid you idiot. They may enjoy the work but they do it to put food on the table

>>376851435
You faggots are the worst

>>376845076
"SMT is deep and mature" is always going to be one of the most hilarious sentiments posted in these threads
Law and Chaos are almost always so absurdly evil and hold no redeeming factors that the vast majority of players go Neutral or try to go Neutral. They either do that or go the route with the most content (99% of players going True Demon in Nocturne). The characters are often just paper-thin representations of alignments and never make convincing arguments to join them because they're either unlikeable from the getgo or have hilariously sudden shifts to their alignment.
The fanbase has suitably low expectations for what counts as "intellectual" writing, to the point where Strange Journey is fellated purely for having a cast of adults instead of the usual bunch of teenagers. It has all the previous problems mentioned above, and actually makes Law and Chaos even more absurdly evil and unappealing than usual, but everybody is caught up on the adult cast that are still as uninteresting and one-dimensional as usual. It's like a fanbase made up of preteens that desperately want to be taken seriously and envy the idea of being a cool, badass adult.

Now don't get me wrong, the games are really fun, but there's a reason SMT discussion usually revolves around Jewish angels, power level debates, and memes about punching God. There's little substance in the actual stories to discuss, it's just a dumb fun series about gods beating the shit out of each other.

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>>376850853
>So what do you say to things like Cave Story or other freeware games?
If they were meant to spread artists ideas and made to be appreciated than yes these freeware games are art.
>What do you say to corporate art in painted forms, obviously mass-produced literature, and film like Transformers or Fast and the Furious?
I was shitting on hollywood and all the other corporate "art" for my two whole posts and talking about "basterdization". What do you think?
>>376850992
Do you have some reading comprehension? Pope didn't wanted it to be made by literal who that just sells portraits for quick bux. He picked Michaelangelo since he was first artist foremost and was know for his art.
>>376851659
I'm not talking about getting paid. Selling the work you have done purely from your creative input to make people find something from it is entirely different than making something by request to be paid.
Why the fuck do you fags entirely miss the simple point to make goalposts?

>>376851535
Well, I just have some very fond memories concerning the third game. And I haven't really revisited riven.