Why do redditors love this mediocre game so much? >combat

I wrote this exact same post a few weeks ago, without the first "why do redditors..." line.
...Thanks I guess.

And honestly I don't know what people see in it.

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Why do people think this game's story is "deep"? Are they pseudointellectuals?

>Why do I exist in this fucked up world?
>man this is profound

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can we just have a /shittingonniergeneral/ there's way too many of these threads up at a time

>>376817089
Because the competition is really fucking horrible. Video game stories are a joke.

>>376816469
Nice copy/paste faggot

contrarianism is boring and gay
just like your dad

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>>376817212
What's weird is that the constant hate against this game started only after it was cracked.

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>>376817558

I'd say it started after the pc release

which has killed tons of good discussions for many a game on v

>>376817212
>muh safe space

Why are tarodrones so insecure about "their" game? Why do they feel such a tribalistic attachment to it?

Yeah, I am struggling to play the game, it's just not fun and it's really bland looking. :\ It's unfortunate really.

>>376817915

it was a joke anon, i just find it humorous how there's so many of these threads up just for one game, I'm not sure if i've ever seen anything like this for any other game. I honestly don't give a shit and will continue enjoying the things I do even if everyone on earth hated them.

So Taro said we could expect a NIER remaster if Automata did well. Any update on that?

>>376817089
They actually are pseudointellectuals. See that balding bunny guy.

>story is full of inconsistencies
I keep hearing this meme but it's normally some faggot who hasn't played the game.

>>376816469
But dat butt doe

What do you call it when you know the game has flaws but you still liked it anyway?

That's what I feel towards Automata.

>The gameplay isn't very deep, the enemies are repetitive. Difficulty is all over the place.
>The second playthrough is largely unnecessary.
>Tons of lore and background info is presented horribly. Lots of it is hidden in concerts, stageplays or books.
>Major plot points are left to ambiguity to the point they can be considered plotholes.
>Character development is barebone.
>Crams too many important story bits into the very last chapters.

And I still liked it.

>>376816469
>quest design boils down to glorified fetch quests


Since you can make that statement about any quest in any game, name a single game where that isnt the case for side quests.

I'll wait.

>>376818125

it's called rationally enjoying something
something /v/ should learn how to do.

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>Why do people love this game so much

>>376816469
You basically have to be a massive fucking weeb who only watches anime to enjoy this trash.

That or a waifufag/fapmaster.

I am appalled by the lack of sfm porn. I thought one of the main appeals of the PC release was getting hands on the model for porn. Well lads, where is it?

>>376818163
The Witcher 3 and if you disagree you haven't played it.

>>376816469
>combat isn't nearly good enough to carry the game for 30+ hours
The combat is fine, just not as good as some people expected because of the Platinum branding.

>the open world is empty, bland and boring - only serves to pad out the runtime because you're often just running to the other end of the map
On the contrary I think it's pretty well put together. The environments are beautiful and for the most part everything flows and connects nicely. Even without fast travel I never feel like it's a chore to get to somewhere. The only exceptions for this are the desert and the factory really.

>quest design boils down to glorified fetch quests even if some of them have interesting dialogue
Almost none of the main story quests are fetch quests. Fair point on sidequests although they have variety too.

>enemy design is bland as fuck and hitting enemies doesn't have very good feedback at all
I can agree with this. You mostly just fight the same 4 enemies with slight differences for the whole game. Things get a bit better later on though.

>characterisation and character building is barely present at all, making it extremely difficult to care about 9S and 2Bs "romance"
9S has a fuckload of character. 2B seems like a bit of a mess with a lot of out of character moments but it all makes sense in the end.

>or A2s role in general since shes just a wall for 9S to shout at
A2 does get shafted a bit in the game. Watch the stage play though, it gives her a lot of backstory. Or just read the in-game write up of it that you probably skipped.

>Game recycles areas like a motherfucker even in its main quests
Not a downside at all. Plus most of those "recycled" areas significantly change throughout the game.

>>376816469
>same thread every day
kill yourself you literal autist

>>376818125
What do you call it when you know the game has flaws but you still wanted to like it anyway?

Thats what I feel towards Automata

>all of those exact same points you made

And I hated it. Its been a while since I wanted to like something as much as I wanted to like this.

>>376818026
What's truly humorous is how quickly discussion of the game died down after release desu

/v/, being as big as it is, isn't a stranger to conflicting opinions, especially when a game is extremely hyped up,so Nier isn't getting special treatment in that regard.

>I will continue enjoying the things that I do
That's fine. No one is telling you that you can't enjoy mediocrity.

>>376817089
Give me an example of a game you think is genuinely deep and well written since you seem to consider yourself above these pseudointellectuals. Since your tastes are superior I'm sure you have some great recommendations that other intellectuals like yourself would agree with.

And no, before you completely ignore my question this is not me saying Automata is an immensely deep and well written game.

>>376816469
>>376818447
>the ENTIRE second playtrough is a waste of time and there is no reason the relevant information in it couldn't have been implemented into the first one
Not at all. Route A would've been an entirely different experience if the story from Route B was present there. You're supposed to think of the machine network as malevolent and the revelations in Route B offer a shockingly new perspective. That's part of the experience.

>the hacking minigame gets boring in the first 3 minutes of doing it and persists for 25+ hours
I can understand this, but you don't have to use the hacking much if you don't want to and almost all of the forced hacks are unique with lots of dialogue.

>the hacking minigame overrides heavy attacks completely to make the bland combat even MORE bland for those 25+ hours that you're controlling 9S
9S can do heavies, it's just a different control scheme than 2B. I'll concede that it's a fault of the game for not making that apparent though.

>the story tackles themes in philosophy and culminates in a point that you should find meaning and purpose in meaninglessness
How is this a downside? Do you just hate absurdism or something?

>this makes the story itself pointless because there is no actual momentum, no reason to care about the characters with such bare character to begin with and the world being pretty much over already
The point of the game is that there is no ultimate meaning to existence, you have to make one yourself. Hence why Yorha exists, why A2 and 9S act the way they do, etc.

>the story is also full of holes and inconsistencies that people gloss over all the time
Name them.

>>376817089
>Why do I exist in this fucked up world?
>man this is profound
>Implying this isn't literally every major written work touted as "Deep" in the last 900 years

>>376818362
Fucking this.
The only decent thing about this game is ignored entirely by its fanbase.

All I've found is futa shit and shevs always the pitcher. Fucking horseshit.

>>376817659
the pc release was like a week later
you are the problem, not just with vidya discussion, but the world in general
attempt suicide in a way that causes permanent damage to your body but fail at it and have to live as a cripple the rest of your miserable life

>>376818492

what are you even trying to say

You are fag

>>376816469
Every day i see some faggot shitposting about this
game.
Its because piratefags? Or autism?
I really like this game.Switch never.

>>376818732
>Piratefags
Most likely
>Autism
Very likely

>>376818624
He is attempting to say the game was quickly forgotten even though /v/ has a wide breadth of opinions that should facilitate discussion for a popular game for a long period of time. Which is completely ironic because he said that in the exact kind of thread he is trying to imply does not happen, while there are also several other "Nier is shit" threads going on right now.

>>376818558
Automata pales in comparison to basically any other existentialist flick or book because it spells it out because it knows its viewers are morons who think they're smart.

>>376818504
RDR
Planescape Torment
Deus Ex

>>376818429
>go here give, kill/talk to X, return to Y to get Z


You're kidding me right ?

>>376818845
t. a moron who thinks he's smart

>>376818572
But that's how things should be.

>>376818980
I don't think I'm smart. I just recognize that these people aren't either.

>>376818845
pfffhahahahaha
pseud as fuck
cut yourself

>>376818845

i like all those games, and I also like automata.
but I don't think any one of them is particularly deep, even though they're all good storywise

>>376818845
>RDR
>Planescape Torment
>Deus Ex
And you're trying to call other people pseudointellectuals.

>>376819047
Not an argument

This game is fucking GOAT, and I don't even have a Reddit account.

>>376818845
It's not even that deep or hard to get, he's literally throwing references at gamers without a care in the world for how it fits into the game.
/v/ sperged out when AC had Marx in the game (which was actually fucking historical, he did exist in london), but all these references in nier and /v/ is like omG JAPPU GOD U SO SMAT AND EXISTENTIAL I LUB IT

>>376818845
>>376819023
Anon's small fedora grew three sizes that day

>>376818429
>follow witcher senses
>do thing
how deep.

The Witcher's quests are almost entirely filler, as well.

>>376819108
i'm not arguing, i'm insulting you you pathetic little bitch, i wouldn't argue with someone so trite
>RDR
still lollin

>>376819023
>I don't think I'm smart
>>Why do I exist in this fucked up world?
>>man this is profound
You were attempting to imply not only that these people are not smart, but that your line of thinking is superior to theirs.

>>376819062
This tbqh.

>>376818429
Follow the red glowing footsteps/scent/blood trails sure is different. Don't get me wrong, I love TW3 but don't act like it's so much better in this regard because it isn't. The dialogue and little stories are what make these side quests good but from a gameplay standpoint, they're really not that much better. And in Near a tomatoes case it's basically the same. They are pretty much fetch quests, but some of the lore behind those quests makes doing them worth it.

>>376816469
Toobie's outfit in Gravity Rush is SO much better than in Nier.

>>376816469
I swore Yoko Taro was being ironic with all that philosophy he shoved in. Like a satirical type of philosophy.

>>376819175
>use game mechanic
>beat game
How belittling

because its WAPANESE and from one of the most autistic people you will ever see

>>376818527
not the guy you were replying to but
>You're supposed to think of the machine network as malevolent
I don't hate the second playthrough but most of the added scenes didn't add much to what we already knew, the game made it pretty obvious that machines aren't necessarily evil and that they try to imitate humans. 9S' hacking gameplay was fun though so I didn't mind it that much, even though it got kind of tedious with multiple enemies later on.

>>376819194
I am only "better" in that I recognize Automata is not deep by any stretch. That's it. Never claimed otherwise my man.

>>376816469
>tfw you can't get ending e on your cracked version, unless you are a god.
That said it's a typical jrpg game which appeals on emotions and on you bonding with the characters.
It doesn't invent anything new and is as cliche as it gets.
I don't know why people think this game is a masterpiece

>>376817558
No, the hate started because the 2b fags got cancerous and spammed their /e/ dump day after day

>>376819396
>shitting all over everything, and everyone who likes the things, makes you superior

>>376819274
that mechanic hand-holds you so much that you never have to think about what it is that you're doing. There's no alternative to bypass it either, as prompts can only be seen with the senses.

>>376819638
But I'm not shitting on it. I've played Automata and it was enjoyable at least to me. All I'm saying is the story isn't "deep" or anything as people claim.

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>>376819635
>the hate started because the 2b fags got cancerous and spammed their /e/ dump day after day
So you admit the backlash is not due to the game's quality itself but simply due to the fans reaction to the game? I don't know man, kind of makes you sound like a shitposter.

>>376819382
The first playthrough only showed that the villagers are benevolent, and they weren't present in the network. Additionally it makes non-network machines like at the amusement park, forest, and the cult seem malevolent without explaining the reasoning behind it.

You can make an argument for the Desert robots not being shown as malicious in the first playthrough, but at the time it's believed that the machines are merely imitating humanity rather than actually having emotion themselves. Pascal and the villagers somewhat disprove this in the first playthrough but remember that they aren't a part of the network.

>>376816469
Because redditors have shit taste

>>376819761
But there is no such thing as a machine that is "not part of the network"

This board makes me want to quit playing games. My opinion on them is never right and I should just go slit my throat with this box cutter.

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>>376816469
>Game recycles areas like a motherfucker even in its main quests
I'm not even sure what you mean by that, in terms of the main quests. You don't really go to the same place more than a couple times other than the base(s) and running around the map. If those are what you're complaining about then I don't know what to tell you. That's pretty nitpicky and present in pretty much every single game in a similar genre.
>the ENTIRE second playtrough is a waste of time and there is no reason the relevant information in it couldn't have been implemented into the first one
It was an entire waste of time except for when it wasn't? Are you just trying to reveal that you've never played a yoko taro game?
>the hacking minigame gets boring in the first 3 minutes of doing it and persists for 25+ hours
The entire game can be beaten in less than 25 hours. Unless you're some autist that insists on 100%ing a game you don't enjoy.
>the hacking minigame overrides heavy attacks completely to make the bland combat even MORE bland for those 25+ hours that you're controlling 9S
Except you can heavy attack as 9S.
>the story is also full of holes and inconsistencies that people gloss over all the time
Sure is convenient you didn't mention any of them.

>>376817089
>>Why do I exist in this fucked up world?
>thinking this is the philosophical aspect that drives the game
The game was more about what it means to exist, not why you exist. It sounds like you just googled the "twist" and decided to shitpost with it without having context.

>>376819760
>obnoxious fans destroy their own game reputation
More at 11.

If talking about ass all day is the only thing they got from the game, then it's shit. Take good games like ff7. Even today people talk about the lore, story, characters etc and not only dump Tifa lewd. Same goes for witcher and lots of games that don't rely on tits and ass as it's sole selling point

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>>376816469
Reminder that Danganronpa 2 did the WE WUZ GAMERS ending way better than this mediocre game.

>>376820067
I think you're confused.

>>376820001
>The game was more about what it means to exist, not why you exist.
It was both. 9S definitely questioned why and what it meant to exist given that the things he craved in life were permanently out of his reach, or so it seemed at the time, i.e., Toobie and humanity.

>>376820013
>Even today people talk about the lore, story, characters etc
What are we doing in this exact fucking thread?

>>376819898
But isn't there? Pascal blatantly states and he and villagers aren't. I've seen arguments that because they were infected they must've been in some way but presumably they just got hacked into like what happened to 9S. This also explains why they din't go crazy or get absorbed into Eve at the end of route A/B. And the forest kingdom never gets infected either in any route.

>>376820170
Did you even get routes C, D, and E?

A-anon?

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>>376820126
>Not knowing that all Nier:Automata story discussion threads start by someone shitposting about it.

>>376820124
Then what was the point of ending E?
2B is always going to end up killing 9S in some fashion.
9S will never get to see/touch other humans. Unless some humans are around somehow.
And A2, A2 already died with purpose, why bring her back? She already got what she wanted.

>>376820013
> gane gets released
> everyone and their mom discussing the story and other shit, ass posting seemingly dies almost completely down with only plebs that didnt play it posting it
> weeks later only assposters and shitposters are left
I'm glad I bought and played the gane on release. Cant even begin to imagine having to suffer these shit threads in hope for discussions.

>>376820124
I was referring more to what took up a majority of the game these machines suck dick they can't feel or think because they're machines. Us androids sure are different despite all this evidence that works against us.

>>376820258
Yes, of course. Hence why I talked about the villagers getting infected and how the forest kingdom was never infected.

>>376820303
So you agree with me, okay.

I was thinking about getting it for PC, but all recent reviews say that its still not fixed.
Does anyone know if its playable? Whats the current status?

>>376820332
>Then what was the point of ending E?
Because Taro said that he felt it was the most fitting end to the journey of the characters.

>>376820365
It wasn't "infected" but the reason all of the forest machines but Pascal and a few otherswent berserk in route C is because they were still connected to the network, as N2 says--they simply believed they weren't. This was done in order to induce evolution. This is...explicitly spelled out in the fight with N2.

>>376820390
some fag made a mod and then had a meltdown about pirates and got banned

>>376820390
It was playable for me day one:

1070
i5-6600k
16GB ram

I played in borderless windowed mode as the only issue with the game at the time for me was the resolution issue in fullscreen.

Why did "they" make 9S so smart?

>>376820390
The only problem I ever encoubtered were rare fps drops. Game never crashed on me.

If you use AMD you seem to be more suspectible to the game being a buggy mess.

>>376816469
Before I comment, please recommend me 3 good games in your opinion.

Early on route B, how long do I have to play as 9s? And how long until it's mostly new content?

>>376820594
Finish playing route B.
That's all I'm going to say.
Also get out of this thread while you can.

>>376820530
Mass Effect 3
Undertale
Dark Souls 2

>>376818125
>What do you call it when you know the game has flaws but you still liked it anyway?
Xenoblade Chronicles X.

>>376819985
Or you know, you could just not browse /v/? Or if you're stuck here like me, just don't take anything seriously, makes browsing the threads a lot more enjoyable if you automatically assume everyone is on some 5th level of ironic humor.

>>376820527
I dont think it was intentional.

#9 wasnt even a Scanner at that tine and still fucked shit up beyond believe. Its like they accidentaly made a Terminator without them realizing

>>376820594
Finish B, which will take far less time than you realise if you don't do any sidequests.

>>376820680
He said 3 good games

>>376820332
>2B is always going to end up killing 9S in some fashion.
No. She has no reason to now since there's no YorHa.
>9S will never get to see/touch other humans. Unless some humans are around somehow.
Doesn't matter much to him, he has 2B. He already accepted humans being extinct and continued on because of 2B at the end of B/beginning of C.

>And A2, A2 already died with purpose, why bring her back? She already got what she wanted.
I'll concede that I thought this was odd. She was characterised by her survivor's guilt and had already ended her two goals, killing all machines in revenge and protecting 9S at 2B's request. Pascal showed her not all machines are evil so her quest for genocide was a mistake and 9S was restored.

Still though I guess there's not really any reason for the Pods not to bring her back when they're already bringing back 2B and 9S. If she ends up truly not wanting it she can just suicide. Plus 042 probably had a personal attachment to her.

Why did the machines make Adam and Eve?
And how did the network recover from them dying?

>>376820748
But he should do a certain sidequest with a red-haired woman.

...for the pod program of course...

This game is incredible and there is nothing you autists can say that will make me change my mind

>>376820940
Hello, Junior!

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>>376820940
GRRRRRRRRR

>>376820714
I just feel like shit for liking trash a lot.

>>376820893
>No. She has no reason to now since there's no YorHa.
She doesn't need a reason. She was created solely for that purpose. Even when she doesn't want to kill 9S it still happens, as evident in ending D's route. 9S was impaled by 2B's sword, and when he tried to pull it out using 2B's hand he couldn't.
>Doesn't matter much to him, he has 2B.
"Why do I long for something that no longer exists?" I feel as if its still in the back of his mind, but he does have 2B at least.

There better be some epilogue DLC, all these loose ends are killing me.

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>>376820940
Well said.

>>376821235
You shoukd really read Memory Thorn and the post-Ending E Concert story.

Especially Memory Thorn is important as to why 2B continues doing it

>>376821038
Hi my man, what's good?

>>376816469
Nice copypasta.

>>376821391
Where's all the Nier Automata extra content to be found this time around? Is it all Chinese translations like the Grimoire Nier?

>>376821508
I'm convinced all supplementary material by yoko taro is meant to troll people who take his stories too seriously.

Do people on /v/ really think they're being special when they decide they hate popular and highly acclaimed games? Do they not realize how predictable and cliche they really are?

>>376821508
There's a pastebin in the /vg/ general with all the stuff translated.

If I remember right there's one story about the creation of YoRHa, one about Pods fishing, one prequel story to Memory Cage, post-Ending E and one featuring A2 and 9S fighting each other.

>>376816469
OP is a faggot.

>>376819158
I think you missed the point of Adam and Eve and why the robots all have philosopher names.

Protip: none of the androids or characters of the previous games have names like that.

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>>376821708
Seems the standard fare for Nier short stories. Grimoire Nier's featured a cannibal shade, post-Ending D, Kainé and Emil having dinner, Brother Nier selling his ass for money and Kainé masturbating among others.

>>376820530
BotW
MGSV
Freelancer

>>376820530
Jackie Chan Stuntmaster

Is it true that the concert reveal what happend after ending e?

>>376822671
Yes but it follows Route C

So what was the deal with that number 9 unit that create the current versión of project yorha that number 2 kills?

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Why are people so autistic about this? It's just a video game. Why are people acting like it's too over-ambitious so it needs to get taken down a notch?

>>376823079
Hes a sneacky hacker and when he knows too much...

>>376823079
ask Zenia

>>376820894
Adam and Eve are the manifestation of the machines' network. They were made to combat the androids in totality.
Since Adam and Eve are the manifestation of the network, they simply cannot die.

>>376823173
>putting nazi clothes on Nick Young
Make him white and make this thing come full circle.

>>376821235
>She doesn't need a reason. She was created solely for that purpose. Even when she doesn't want to kill 9S it still happens, as evident in ending D's route. 9S was impaled by 2B's sword, and when he tried to pull it out using 2B's hand he couldn't.

Eh I think this is more of an ambiguous grey area. Since the whole game is about AI overcoming the limitations of their programming I don't think 2B is condemned to murder 9S, she must have had some other reason to do it. Maybe she believed that executing 9S over and over was the better option compared to them fleeing together and inevitably being hunted down by other E-types. Hell, maybe that's even happened before and 2B knows not to desert because it's pointless as long as there's a YorHa.

Anyways, even if 2B really can't stop herself from murdering 9S, he could just hack in and change it like how he removed her inability to attack YorHa models.

>>376824054
>Maybe she believed that executing 9S over and over was the better option compared
In Memory Thorn 2B wanted to kill herself so she wouldn't continue kill 9S. 9S on the other hand didn't want that and they made a promise to each other, that 2B would continue to kill 9S so they would stay together

>>376816469
>GUARENTEED REPLIES
>PISSY NINTENSHILL EDITION "IF IT AINT ON THE SWITCH, ITS SHIT"

>>376816469
You seem to know a lot more about the likes and dislikes of redditors than I do. I can't answer your question because I don't browse there.

>>376819158
A lot of the philosophy names relate heavily to the character though. Jean Paul, Simone, Pascal, Kierkegaard, and Grun are all good examples of this.

That said there are some of them that don't really have anything to do with their name, but were probably given them to keep up the theme naming. Marx, Engels, the spiders, etc.

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>>376823898
Who said blacks can't be nazi's?

>>376820332
>Then what was the point of ending E?

That being alive is worth it in and of itself, despite the pain and despite the apparent meaninglessness.

>>376825515
German soldier =/= Nazi, retard

>>376822543
Solid 8/10 right there.

>>376825594
dont you know what happend after ending e?

>>376817089
It's not that 'deep', but like others have said, video game stories are generally so bad that anything that even attempts at having some kind of depth stands out from the crowd.

>>376825987

I assume that, as implied by the Pods, they wake up and get a second chance at life, free to repeat the same mistakes or make new ones. What happens is irrelevant to the point.

>>376825709
he's wearing the swastika, take it up with hitler

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>game doesn't reference any Japanese philosophers

Fucking westaboo shits

>>376817558
I noticed this bullshit

>>376819267
He kind of mocks Sartre in the game, so you might be onto something

>>376826184
not after what the concert reveals

>>376819267
He very well might've been, there's the sidequest with the existential robots which ends with them all comically killing themselves.

>>376826409
>Fucking westaboo shits
The spiders are named after Chinese philosophers.

>>376826478
Part 1/2

He actually mocks every single one of them, makes sense if one takes into account that the main theme of the game is that philosophy is bullshit because it dictates how one should live as if humans are programs (But saying that one should not live his life according to a way of thought is a way of thought BA-DUM-TISH)

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Jean-Paul Sartre is famous for his ideas that humans are "condemned to be free" and that "existence precedes essence" or that purpose only comes after having been born rather than the other way around. Both the machines and androids, however, did have well-defined creators in the aliens and humans respectively, but lost their creators and as a result have lost their purpose. Much of the game's theme revolves around this situation.

Simone Beauvoir was another existentialist philosopher who happened to also have had a lifelong relationship with Jean-Paul Sartre. She wrote much about the nature of the identity of a woman and gave a negative example of a woman who's identity is based on nothing but a man's affection. The Amusement Park boss' name is Simone, and her rejection by Jean-Paul Sartre is what causes her existential crisis

Blaise Pascal's most famous work "The Pensées" famously seeks to convert readers to Christianity by convincing readers of the horrors of life and human existence assuming that those readers would then be convinced to turn to God. Pascal in game teaches the village children about fear assuming that it would keep them safe, but they instead succumb to that fear and kill themselves. Additionally, similar to how Blaise Pascal understood what he saw as "the wretched nature of Man" but writes in a way that can be considered consoling and heartwarming, the machine Pascal is charming and is comfortable with his own nature as a machine. It is also unsurprising that machine Pascal rejects the philosophy of Friedrich "God is Dead" Nietzsche.

continuing the tl:dr in the next post

>>376826559
I loved that bit.

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>>376816469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehM1m5-TG5g

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>end credits gets harder when Square appears

Nice and subtle Taro

>>376825998
What's the best story you've ever seen in a game?

>>376826478
>>376826959

Part 2/2

Soren Kierkegaard's writings have much to do with the concept of both religious faith and doubt and emphasized death accusing society as a whole of being in denial about it. In a world of contradictions, he believed that one could only take a leap of faith and believe in religion. He wrote “to have faith is precisely to lose one's mind so as to win God.” Kierkegaard is the name of the leader of the Abandoned Factory cult. Kierkegaard was not a fan of the organized religion of his time, yet was still deeply religious whereas the Abandoned Factory cult are cut off from the network, yet still establish a cult revolving around death.

Karl Theodor Ferdinand Grün was a socialist thinker who argued the idea that humans are inherently social beings that have a need of a community of others in order to survive. Grün in-game is a machine lifeform that was discarded by the machines and was motivated by a desire to rejoin their community.)

Immanuel Kant wrote of the role of reason in determining moral principles along with duty in moral action and one's duty to obey one's government. He also prized the intent behind an action moreso than its result in determining the morality of an action. Immanuel, otherwise known as the Forest King, sacrifices himself for his people out of good intent but with little result. Likewise the king's duty-bound subjects put him in the body of a child with good intent, but with unfortunate results. The subjects of the Forest King also emphasize the importance of duty in their actions when you engage them in combat.

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were the co-founders of Marxist theory which makes it quite amusing that their models both physically make up a part of a giant factory. They are literally a means of production for the machines.

>>376827069
>SHIT SQUARE ENIX

>>376826937
Fucking Sinophiles

Since it seems like you people aren't discussing the game, like, at all, let's talk about other things.

I just started the original Nier and holy fucking shit. This game is so fucking awesome. If i had played it back in 2010 my mind would've fucking exploded. I just can't believe how believable everything is on the world, and how realistic are the dialogs between characters.Also the english cast is pretty fucking good, I love Weiss' voice actor.

I wish I would've started this series earlier. Such charm.

>>376826512

I don't know what that is, and I'm not sure I really care. What's actually in the game is what matters and that's what I'm going with.

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>>376827075
Jesus Christ your why I loathe Kant fans

>>376822103
Adam and Eve were only called such because they found the names cool there is literally nothing deeper than that outside of the simple similarity that humans also pull that shit off and the machines are behaving identical to humans.

Eat shit toxic bitch.

>>376827069

My first time through I didn't know what accepting help would do, so I refused to do it. The final appearance of Square Enix made me scream "FUCK YOU SQUARE" quite a few times. I think that was finally the segment that broke me, too, because you go so fucking far with no checkpoints.

>>376827501
B-b-but i hate Kant as well

>>376827075
>Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were the co-founders of Marxist theory which makes it quite amusing that their models both physically make up a part of a giant factory
It's that way because they believed that working was the way to a fulfilling life.

>>376827520
>Adam and Eve were only called such because they found the names cool there is literally nothing deeper than that outside of the simple similarity
Oh so like when they made Evangelion?

>>376816469
Hey fuck off, I'm from reddit and i have no interest in this game

>>376827520
No.
Adam named himself that and his brother Eve after reading the Bible. That's where he got all of his information on humanity hence why Adam acts the way he does in the game, for example his belief that humans ate apples to gain knowledge.

>>376826512
>>376827426
The script for the concert had them both die at the end, but then when the concert was actually performed they went off-script and both live. Just like how Ending C and D are kind of downer endings but then Ending E has you "go off-script" and change the ending.

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>>376827647
Yep

>>376827394
Jamieson Price (Nier) and Liam O'Brien (Weiss) were absolutely brilliant. And yeah, the game really blew me away. It grabs hold of you like how Todd Rundgren gets you hooked on his music. Music was also amazing too.

A word of warning though; get out of this thread and all Nier threads until you get every ending. You will get spoilers and it will ruin your experience.

>>376827736
That doesn't contradict my statement whatsoever, perhaps understand what No means prior to using it? You're literally JUST repeating what I said.

>>376827647
Adam and Eve themselves thought nothing of it but if you see it from a story standpoint their names make sense since Adam & Eve were basically the first of their kind to be given free will outside of the Machine Network and were arguably also the first "Android" Machine Lifeforms.

is this game a good substitute to dmc or i better wait the fuckers to release dmc5?

>>376827647
Yes. The Master admits as much.

>>376827647
>>376827756
Nier Automata's reception reminds me a lot of Evangelion. It's very polarized, either very high or low scores, and a lot of the discussions pertain to whether it actually had depth or if it was just 2deep4u schlock.

>>376827808
Nier Automata already ruined most of the experience for me since they talked a lot about the original game in the route C/D so whatever
Also I'm having a blast and the pacing of the story is just perfect, so even if I know the turns it'll have an impact in me anyway

>>376827926
>is this game a good substitute to dmc
No, Bayonetta just got released on PC and is closer to being a substitute

>>376827950
Yeah, I discussed that a lot back when the game haven't released on PC yet. I still feel like Taro is the Anno of videogames.

>>376827926
its a very different game and the combat is much more shallow than the older dmc games. play bayo to get your fix while waiting for cinco

>>376827926
http://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/329050/

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>>376827926
There already is a DMC5

>>376827926
No. This game's combat is not complex or deep. Do not think that because Platinum was involved that it's MGR/DMC/Bayo levels. They simply ensured that the combat was polished and less of a mess than previous Taro games. I'm certain that a lot of complaints are by people who played it expecting a Platinum game and not a Taro Yoko game.

>>376827926
No it's not. It's an action RPG and it's pretty much its own thing. It doesn't even try to be DMC. It's closer to Bayonetta than anything.

>>376827854
It contradicts what you said.
>>376827520
>Adam and Eve were only called such because they found the names cool there is literally nothing deeper than that

They're actually named that as part of an explanation for Adam's character and why he does what he does and believes what he believes.

>outside of the simple similarity that humans also pull that shit off and the machines are behaving identical to humans.

But that's the complete opposite of Adam's character. He doesn't behave like a human and he knows its, he just tries to and desires to. He does the best he can at imitating humanity with the limited information of humanity that he has.

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>>376827950
>It's very polarized, either very high or low scores
What did he meme by this?

>>376828159
>MGR

why is it always brought up?

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>>376816469
> but dude... you can play replay the same fetch-quest shit FIVE TIMES and then you get to watch a different cutscene... woah.... so deep... like really makes you think...

I unironically enjoyed both Andromeda and Sniper: Ghost Warrior 3 more

>>376827854

Your use of the word "they" makes your statement ambiguous. "Adam and Eve are named that because they thought it sounded cool" could mean because the characters thought it sounded cool, or it could mean because the creators of the game thought it sounded cool. I think everyone who responded to you assumed you meant the latter, when the creators obviously did put thought into the names and how the name choice sheds light on the characters and their motivations and how they think.

>>376828240
>He doesn't behave like a human and he knows its, he just tries to and desires to.
So bitch, in attempts to portray yourself as correct online, you've literally contradicted yourself just to TRY and seem like you're disagreeing with me? What kind of buffoonery is this?

No wonder you connect with N:A, it's just as incoherent as you are.

>>376828268
>100, 100, 93, 90, 90, 85
>50
I meant exactly what I said.

>>376827926
>dmc
-story
-music
-pacing
+cambos

>>376828268
He means it in an underground way. Evangelion is highly praised by critics but if you talk about it on the internet you'll get polarized reactions.
Same with Automata.

>>376816469
4chan is a bunch of weebs, what did you expected

>>376828332
I wanted to list more than just DMC/Bayo, although I knew someone would point out MGR because it doesn't compare to their level.

Alright /v/ I'm in route C and this is the first game I can't tell if I'm playing it because I love it or I just want to finish it. Why are all the faggot robots 10 levels ahead of me? I have been doing sidequests and shit. Also I hate playing as 9s. He is the cancer of this game.

>>376828472
>but if you talk about it on the internet you'll get polarized reactions.
LMAO no

>>376828441
How did I contradict myself?

>>376828472
>shitposters on /v/ are the entire internet
Well memed.

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>>376828450
>takes the review of the financial post guy who didn't even make it to Route C into account

>>376828450
Do you not understand what polarized is, retard?

>>376817089
deep is western games smashing libcuck sjw ideals over your head

>>376828523
but do you really think MGR's combat is that much deeper than Automata's? That wasn't my impression, though I've only played it once on medium so I wouldn't really know.

>>376828453
>-music
THE FLINCH IN YOUR EYE CALLS YOUR BLUFF

>>376818429
I love TW3 and both the DLCs, but most of the sidequests are bland as fuck as they are in most open world RPG games.

>>376828371
>you can play replay the same fetch-quest shit FIVE TIMES and then you get to watch a different cutscene...

1. Quests you complete on the first run are already completed on the second run

2. Only the second run is actually the same as the first.

3. The third run is completely different and a continuation of the story started by the first and second.

4. You don't have to replay the entire game a fourth time to get Ending E. You can use chapter select to jump to the final fight at the exact moment you get to choose between Ending C and D, then just choose the opposite one than you did before and you'll be granted that ending and Ending E.

You don't have to play the game 5 times. Stop spreading this bullshit meme. You play the first story a second time from a new perspective, and there are actually a couple points where it greatly diverges from the first time through. Then you play through a third NEW story, then that's literally it and you can jump to the end to get the true ending without replaying anything other than the final fight scene.

>>376828535
>I hate playing as the most OP character.
Use a spear.

>>376828535
If you have fully upgraded weapons (which you should by C) and a decent chip setup it shouldn't be much of a problem fighting high level enemies.

If you haven't found out how to upgrade weapons to level 4, there's a blacksmith in the forest castle hidden in an alcove behind a moveable block, pull it away to open the entrance. You'll know you're close to it when you hear hammering

>>376828749
I think it deeper by virtue of Automata's combat simply being so little. The combat isn't the primary emphasis of gameplay until the other titles.

>>376828836
Lmao looks like you got trolled, fag. ;^))

Sure is a lot of anti-Nier shitposting recently. MS shills prepping the pre-E3 battlefield?

so why the fuck zenia decide to use black as primary color of yorha?

>>376828961
Third world pirates.

>>376820390
Pirated it for PC. Kept crashing fairly often, and always crashed on certain parts. I fixed it by doing the CPU affinity trick and turning off AF, AO and AA.

i7 6700k
GTX1070
16GB RAM.

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>>376829098
Because it's fashionable.

>>376828836
>Then you play through a third NEW story, then that's literally it and you can jump to the end to get the true ending without replaying anything other than the final fight scene.

You don't even replay the final fight since it's completely different depending on who you choose to play.

>>376828961
pcmr mad 1 modder locked his mod

>>376820390
>>376829201
Forgot to mention I still crash occasionally, but it's rare enough to not be a problem. Still not sure if the pirated version is more suspectible to crashes.

>>376826959
>>376827075
Have shitposters been BTFO perpetually?

>>376817089
because the writer namedrops a bunch of philosophers without understanding them

>>376828910
>Most OP
Farm up Weapon Attack up +8 chips
Farm up Taunt +8 chips
Equip as many as possible
Use Melee Attack up and Range attack up (L)
Activate Berserk Mode
Taunt
>most OP character

Ended 9S in mere seconds with A2.

>>376816469
t. Poorfag who just played the pirated version

>>376816969
Fanservice that's the only reason

>>376830105
You can almost end her instantly if you hack her as 9S with the right chipset.

Or if you stack Crit + Weapon Dmg + spear.

Then do a single throw-spear and if it crits shes mostly dead.

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>>376818610
Faggot

>>376816469
>>the hacking minigame gets boring in the first 3 minutes of doing it and persists for 25+ hours

This is a personal opinion. I had the opposite experience, where at first I was annoyed at the minigame but as I got better and the patterns got more interesting I liked it and it kept me engaged the entire time.

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>>376817212
No.

>>376817659
It only really started after the PC release actually. After the PC fags finished the game only piratefags were left that didn't play the game yet until a week earlier.

>>376830105

>farming chips

I just naturally obtained multiple max level chips of every variety I cared about through normal play without ever grinding or farming anywhere. Why would you do that?

>>376830690
I assume it's the urge the urge to min-max. Diamond +8s aren't easy to get.

>>376826959
>>376827075
Okay, but what's the point of all this? It's all just references with no context or meaning

>inb4 durr that's the point

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>>376831327
>names context of the names to what happens ingame
>there's no context

>>376831449
My point is that nothing actually HAPPENS in the game. It's more like a loosely connected series of vignettes than a coherent story. You could take any of of those subplots and cut and paste them to an entirely different point in the overarching story and it would have no effect.

>>376816469

music is god tier

>>376831765
>machines imitating mankind without having actual understanding of human actions
>as a result they try to imitate human philosophers, but end up twisting their thoughts

>>376832496
Okay, and...?

That's the question I found myself asking throughout my playthrough.

Automata is like a diorama rather than a story, or even an experience. Things just "happen" and there's no overarching plot or message that it's trying to communicate except maybe that the whole notion of trying to find meaning or justification for anything is pointless, which is both insufferably pretentious and self-defeating.

>>376833230
>the whole notion of trying to find meaning or justification for anything is pointless
That's definitely not the message given ending E.

>>376833230
>Things just "happen" and there's no overarching plot or message that it's trying to communicate

Things don't just happen. Things happen to characters that are well fleshed out and you start to care about. It's about seeing how the things that happen affect the characters and how the characters affect each other and how all of that affects the world (or in some cases how it doesn't affect the world, which is its own opportunity for development). It seems like you wanted something really strongly plot-driven and you got something heavily character-driven and you find that frustrating. You're complaining about something that isn't a problem so much as it is a valid and well-done storytelling method you happen to not enjoy.

>Bayonetta game with decent voice acting, great combo's and combat in general"Game is literally mash light attack and win da gaem, 0/10"

>Nier, game that is actually just mash light or heavy and they try to cover the fact that there are no combo's by letting you switch what weapon is in each hand, and letting you switch between weapon sets.
"MASTERPIECE. GOTY AMAZING STORY COMBAT AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT

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>ok, let's read all weapon stories!
>Emil heads
>it's a diary about the future after E by some Emil clones
>watchers/aliens return
>biomachines return
>the network is up and running again
>the war begins again
>since there is no yorha command anymore, it's just A2, 2B and 9S against every-fucking-thing
FUCKING HELL

>>376833367
It very much is. You fucks don't understand that this whole "fuck philosophy we have toobie's ass" mentality is literally just nihilism by another name.

Or really it's more like sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalalalala

Everything, every choice you make, everything you do, is implicitly political and implicitly philosophical. By choosing to do one thing, you imply that doing another thing is wrong. We can't do everything. We have to make choices, and in order to make choices we need a system of values upon which to base those choices. You can be a whiny brat and deny it all you want, but even the simplest protozoa possesses a kind of "philosophy." Pretending you're above it or that you can ignore it just makes you ignorant and childish.

>>376828472
>a couple of booty blasted shitposters is the entire internet

Fuck no, /v/ is literally the only place where people shit on the game. Even then, if you actually shift through the shitposts and false flagging, it's still held in relatively high esteem.

>>376833230
It's just characterization for the robot lifeforms you fucking retard.

>>376816469
>>376831915

I was expecting to be blown away by the music in this game base on the reviews and word of mouth that it has been getting but after playing it for a while now there is nothing special or memorable to it. I actually cringed when I heard the little girl singing in the village of the machines which triggered the word on my mind "so try hard" for the feels. To me it is really trying drastically to be dramatic which is not really needed.

Aside from that, I don't like the gameplay and I am also not a fan of the boring side quests. I am not that far but I hope that this game will improve because i have bought the game, so i'm forced to keep playing this.

>>376816469
I 100% agree
Didn't feel compelled to do the other endings because the game is just shit

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>>376823486
It says a lot

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>>376816469
a yes the copy pasta from the guy who didnt even play the game but just watched videos of people playing it
>>375933202

>>376818845
I share a board with someone who wrote this?