The end of Alan Wake

>>376749274
Isn't it free with purchase of their new game in retail copies anyways? Should also be backwards comparable as well.

Either way, Children of the Elder God was one of the best battles I've ever been hyped up to in a video game. No video of it will ever do it justice. Here's the song though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M1k1tgq87g

>>376749274
Shit OP thanks I should buy Alan Wake on PC. Is America Nightmare also going off the market?

>>376749274
>>376749542
Damn, what a shame. One of my favorite underrated games of all time.

>>376749274
That's what you get for using licensed music instead of making a OST.

American Nightmare is good too, FYI.

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Similiar thing happened to San Andreas.

>buying games
I'll enjoy my pirated copy forever, thanks.

I bought physical collectors edition for PC that comes with book, stickers and post cards. No regrets. Game was fantastic as fuck.

>>376749970
they had an ost too it was pretty dope they just supplemented it with licensed music. Poets of the fall were a great choice for the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f_hewSrAH4

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I WILL REMEMBER YOU WITH ME ON THAT FIELD
WHEN I THOUGH THAT I FOUGHT THIS WAR ALONE
YOU WERE THERE BY MY SIDE ON THE FRONTLINE

>>376750368
I started listening to poets of the fall just because of this game. Absolutely great. Makes me wonder what other obscure foreign bands I'll never hear of.

>>376750079
SA just lost some songs. Alan Wake will cease to exist.

cant they just remove fucked songs?

Will Steam's new gift policy stop people buying hundreds of copies to horde and sell off in years to come?

>>376749274
"This" meaning capitalism

>>376750890
I'm wondering about this too

Is this game even good? Never played it.

hmmm only 3$, i might buy it
is it actually good? not like i would be wasting much if it isnt

>>376751158
it is honestly it should've been open world meme like deadly premonition

This is why we need crackers
Because all games eventually die and can't be sold so they're abandon-ware

And what happens is after a decade a copy will cost like 200 bucks which is insane

Dunevo is good to secure those early sales, but we need crackers to SAVE GAMES

Sucks about Alan Wake, the story was awful but it was interesting the first time

>>376750902
>Steam's new gift policy
wait we cant stockpile copies of games anymore? What the fuck Gayben

The 90 percent off eh

>>376751158
Gameplay is simplistic and gets repetitive very quickly, but still worth it for the story, atmosphere and presentation.

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>>376750549
AND WE FOUGHT TO BELIEVE THE IMPOSSIBLE

>>376751340
i agree but denuvo definitely doesn't secure shit ,pirates will pirate it at first opportunity they are not gonna buy shit

>>376751158
>>376751297
Just play it.

Wait, does this mean Rockstar is still paying for the licenses of music in their old as fuck GTA games?

>>376749274
Top tier game, one of my favorites.

>>376751692
How doesn't it?
I bought DOOM for example because I couldn't pirate it
Some people pirate because it's literally the easiest thing

>>376751782
Partially? They've removed quite a few tracks from their digital games as a compromise.
Presume the tracks left are from artists who don't give a shit and let them have it for free/cheap.

>>376751694
I'm not getting it on steam though, so I'm not fortunate enough for the sale.

>>376750713
might as well be the same thing to these retards screaming 'muh cut content'

>>376751973
poorfag

>>376750890
literally easier to say fuck it, shut it down

and this is why digital-ony is cancer
there are already a couple of games that are permanently lost

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>>376751782
they might have just been able to secure it for a longer length of time or were able to renegotiate the licensing deal because they got lods of emone.

Only time before this ive been pissed about licensing is when homeworld by yes wasnt included at the end of the new remastered version of homeworld.

>>376752253
>permanently lost

name one that you can't just download illegally

>>376750890
That would requiring hiring people to go through the code and remove the parts in question, and then have to re-code so there's not just weird blank spots there.

No, too much work.

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>>376749274
>people will continue to support the idea of intellectual property despite things like this happening over and over again
Fucking ridiculous, I hate this shit.

>>376752352
that scott pilgrim beat'em up and that new after burner

>>376751158
Yeah, you likely would have played it if it weren't 360 only on release and released moved up to be released on the same day as RDR.

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DEEP IN THE OCEAN OF DARKNESS
IN THE MIRROR OF LIGHTS
BALANCE BECOMES A STRANGER
AND IN YOUR FANTASIES
HE RIDES A STORM ON YOUR PEACE

>>376752352
There's a ton
Darkspore comes to mind, Epic quest for mighty loot also

>>376752253
It's only cancer when retarded intellectual property law is invoked.

IP ought not exist, in a rational world, IP would not exist.

>>376751330
Originally it was open world. There is an old video where at some press conference with Microsoft they actually flew the camera around the world, showed the weather system and the whole world was destructible.

This is a clip from that video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_M6TiNfvwk

This is not that video but it shows a bunch of what it was originally suppose to be like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXwOgU4PeuY

>>376751158
yeah it's good, has some nice horror vibes too

>>376752497
>>376752634
I can download scott pilgrim and mighty quest for epic loot right now if i wanted to, i'm not gonna bother looking up the others though

stop being lazy

>>376752352
Battleforge

so?

I've had it in my library for years. I also have it from that humble bundle where it came with like 30 hours of documentary shit and all sorts of concept art, OSTs, and planning info.

Alan wake is not the kind of game that's selling anymore, this doesn't even matter.

>>376752497
wait you cant download scott pilgrim vs the world anymore

THE FUCK

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>>376752763
>get given examples
>"no, I'm not going to bother checking these"

>>376750890
They really built the songs into the game, so it's kinda difficult. Even the plot/narrative has the lyrics to one song function as a sort of prophecy that tell characters where to go if I remember correctly. Also one of the best parts of the game is built around a song too.

The profit the game will do is mostly done, it won't sell much more. So it's easier to just let it go, keeping it intact and unbutchered. From this 90%off sale they might just get almost as much if not more profit than they would from removing the songs and keeping it on sale.

>>376752763
you literally can't play mighty quest for epic loot. Download the launchers but you won't be able to get past the title screen, if it even connects to a server to download the game anymore. Same for darkspore. why you lyin, bruv?

>>376752707
Found the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3HybhZjcGE

>>376752707
>2006
holy shit

>>376752778
>this doesn't even matter.
It's the principle that matters, that a game can be completely lost due to IP horseshit and there is nothing the consumers can do about it.

>>376751367
Can't have people gaming the system anon, all profits must go to Lord Gaben. I bet you don't even want paid mods fag.

>>376752853
I already checked one from each post, so i have proven you wrong partially at the very least which is enough for me

How many games were lost because of this?

>>376752919
that's always been an issue. If the company doesn't want to renew the IP or the copyrights or trademarks on the game, it's gone.

that's what happened to the original prey. You can't get it anymore anywhere, besides pirating it, obviously. And that disappeared after barely a year and a half.

the 2008 turok game is a similar story, never had digital releases either, and they stopped selling it 4 months after launch, and shut down the multiplayer servers.

Why do people care now?

>>376751158
Constantly at odds with itself; presentation leads you into believing this is a desperate struggle but the bounty ammo and area clearing flares makes it a cake walk. Very unscary. Has the Remedy touches around the periphery---including a kick ass Twilight Zone knock off show present as FMV in-game---but doesn't hold a flashlight to more atmospheric outings such as Max Payne 1 and/or 2.

>>376752763
>I can download scott pilgrim
Fucking where? It was delisted like 3 years ago.

>>376753151
i think he means pirating it

>>376753210
>>376753151
I'm sure it's packed up on some torrent site somewhere for CFW'ed PS3/360. Never came to PC.

>>376753075
People have always cared anon, you've just had your head up your own ass to much to notice. Simply "it's always been an issue" doesn't mean it's ok.

>>376752871
>mighty quest for epic loot
Ho shit I forgot about that game. It seemed pretty cool actually.

Christ. It was in beta last time I heard of it. How long was it out? A year? I'd be really mad if I had spent money on that shit.

>>376749274
I wonder if they'll start endorsing piracy after this.

>>376752875
comfy twin peaks tier

>>376753408
when did I say it was ok? I'm just saying that all these people suddenly give a shit and are complaining now. Why aren't they complaining about good games like prey, and the 2008 turok, instead only talking about this walking sim?

my head isn't up my own ass, people literally never fucking talked about how shittily those games were handled. Why is anyone talking about this, when it's available DRM free on a gorillion and 1 sites and will be easily available for download for all eternity?
shit dude, it's just stupid.

>>376753139
I remember having some trouble with parts of the game playing on the hardest difficulty, thought it's been too long to remember details.

>>376753627
>one thread about alan wake
>"why didn't these fuckers make threads about older games reeeeeeeeeee"

>>376753452
about 8 months, I think it was running fully launched. It's main issue was it was full of time gates mobile game tier shit. It would have been a pretty good mobile game actually. Dunno why they never tried to port it.

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>>376753479
Funny thing, Remedy actually uploaded the first version of the game that you could pirate and made it where Alan Wake wore an eye patch the whole game. That was the only thing they did to it so it was easy to identify when someone had an illegal version.

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Music industry is filled with a bunch of faggots that cry "muh IP" any time they feel threatened by anything, what else is new?

At the end of the game where you can drive around a huge area, is there anything neat worth exploring? I just can't imagine brute force exploring it all.

>>376753702
>open thread about alan wake
>IT'S ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE OF NO ONE BEING ABLE TO DO ANYTHING
>why didn't you talk about it before then?
>REEEEE QUIT TALKING REE REEEEEE
faggot

>>376753817
Maybe, just maybe, this is the first time people had heard of it. Or did you think 4chan was visited by less than 100 people or something? Why do you think everyone is always aware of every single time something like this has happened? Are you retarded?

>>376753627
>prey, and the 2008 turok
mediocre games at best play em once forget forever

>>376753627
>Why aren't they complaining about good games like prey, and the 2008 turok
They did. Now they're complaining about this game because it's happening to this game. They're not even complaining about the game but the issue itself. You sound like you have a hate boner for Alan Wake and people liking the game is making you all hot and bothered anon.

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Stop
Killing
Games

>>376749274
on sale for 90% off on the 13th

>>376752763
Fuck is wrong with you

>>376753891
>durr why do you have your head up your own ass they DID talk about it
>MAYBE THEY DIDNT TALK ABOUT IT CAUSE THEY DIDNT KNOW GOSH

you are just fucking stupid, my man.
>inb4 b-b-but that's not me...

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>>376749274
Any game that uses a licensed song has to repeatedly renew it indefinitely?

That's ridiculous.

>>376754101
My problem is i'm smart and not lazy.

God damn Poets of the Fall. Their music isn't even good.

>>376754127
depends on the contract

i imagine a bowie song would be super expensive to license indefinitely though

I hope konami actually licensed indefinitely for MGSV though

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>>376754102
It wasn't me, I jumped into the conversation to call you out.

Welcome to anonymity.

Oh fuck you guys, now I have to replay Alan Wake.

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>>376754102
b-b-but that's not me

He's right though. People talked about it then, people are talking about it now. It's not something that is often discussed but whenever a game dies because of it a couple threads pop up. You're showing up here all "reee you didn't talk about that game I liked so you can't talk about this one!". Sorry you missed the thread I guess?

>>376754420
Yeah, i'm sure it wasn't. Enjoy your anonymity, hope you don't feel too embarrassed that you forgot what you typed 3 minutes ago, faguette.

>>376754286
It wasn't the David Bowie version in TPP, though.

>>376751158
Gameplay sucks, everything else is cool.

Reminds me how you cant legally get the original Prey anymore. Doesnt exist

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>>376754681
i was retarded and didn't realise this till 6 months after the game

Midge's version is so much better than bowies

>>376752696
>in a rational world people should be able to use art you create for free

why would I ever create art, then?

Why don't movies ever get removed? Do they have different contracts?

>>376752352
Old Prey doesn't exist outside of old Physical Disks and sketchy codes from G2A.

>>376754998
So in other words i can still download it?

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>>376754872
You don't seem to understand piracy.

>>376751782
Im assuming GTA doesnt have that much of an issue. They removed some tracks but mostly singers and bands are pretty happy their tracks are on the most popular game franchise on the planet. it's good promotion/advertisement after all.

>>376755068
If you have a working Steam key, yes... I think.
Pirating shouldn't be a problem either.

>>376755196
So that doesn't refute my point at all. Thanks.

>>376755102
Dealing with piracy by offering a comprehensive service is quite different from abolishing IP law. if you abolished IP law literally anyone could sell shit you make.

>>376754849

Nirvanna's cover is even better

American Nightmare's story was painfully shallow. You actually repeat the same 3 maps 3 times, events slightly different as Alan tries to figure out how to beat Mr. Scratch and get the Good End. Sam Wake didn't have anything to do with writing the scenario. I guess it was aimed at those 2 guys and the M$ corporate suits who apparently thought Alan Wake shooting was good enough to justify an arcade mode/Alan Wake didn't have enough SHOOTAN since arcade mode was the big selling point I guess.

i bet same shit will happen to Quantum Break, Remedy probably made stupid contracts for their youtube game too.

>>376753891
Anon, the more people visiting /v/, the more likely someone will make a stink about a game getting killed.

Y'know, the Scott Pilgrim game was mildly popular. I think there was some Marvel game that got pulled from online stores too.

>>376754872
For it's original purposes: to express yourself of convey a message/agenda. You could also be paid to create art, just not have indefinite rights to it afterwards.

>>376749274
>he fell for the digital jew meme
this is why physical will always be superior

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>People actually like poets of the fall

>>376755413
I disagree, Ure's version is the best of the song.

>>376755458
I actually never finished 2 even though I absolutely loved the original, one of my favorite games ever. I started playing American Nightmare and it felt really soulless, I stopped playing one time and never felt like starting it up again. Didn't even spoil myself on the ending somehow, how is it?

>>376755581
I agree to not indefinite, but the original idea behind copyright makes perfect sense

>>376754874
Movies are a higher form of entertainment so licensing a music track for a movie is like paid advertisement for the song authors.

Video games are different in this regard and the music is more valuable for a videogame than vice versa.

I'm bullshitting you.

>>376754874
Because they fucking do, it happens there as well with copyright music.


FUCK the music industry, this is fucking cancer.

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S P O O K Y
P
O
O
K
Y

Why are people acting so surprised over this?

Surely this has been happening forever, we just didn't notice because games went out of retail after like a year anyway. We just see it now because digital stores don't run out of stock.

What a surprise, the music industry is cancer.

>>376754874
They probably have the money to pay for an indefinite license. Also many of the movie studios and record labels are ultimately owned by the same company so they can probably cut some deals that way.

>>376751158
The core gameplay is very repetitive. But the setting, atmosphere, story, and writing prop it up.

>>376756092
The game has cool environment and atmosphere, but the shadow enemies are so meh.

YOU KNOW I AM A PSYCHO
YEAH, TOLD YOU I AM A PSYCHO
WHY WHY WHY
CAUSE REALLY I AM A PSYCHO
CAUSE I TOLD YA
PSYCHO PSYCHO PSYCHO

This is one of the worst games I've ever played. It was complete and total ass. Cmon

This is sad. Even though Alan's Wake was an utter pile of trash, it's always sad to see a game being pulled off sale, regardless of it's quality.

>>376754874
>Why don't movies ever get removed?
They do, for various reasons, including music licencing. That said, most movie producers (at least AAA level) are more experienced and cover their asses when getting their contracts and licencing.

>>376755615
You do know that you don't lose access to the game if you already own it, right? The game is pulled from sale, not restricted from access.

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>We will never get an Alan Wake sequel

>>376756361
>was an utter pile of trash
that would be you anon

>>376756092
i love this game so much

>>376750890
This. Take out the songs and have a folder where you can put MP3s of your legally obtained music that it matches the tags for.

>>376751158
>Is this game even good?
No, it's really not. It had nice forests for it's time, decent settings in general, but everything else is fucking awful. Absolutely retarded story and writing with some of the most insanely awful characters I've ever seen, terrible core gameplay, littered by bad design choices, awful pacing... it's not a good game. It sold on carefully copying TV/cinema like appearance (except it was worse written then your average hollywood production) which back at the day was unexpected.

>>376756450
Quick question: did you think there was something wrong with The Last of Us? Did you think that was an amazing game too?

>>376756636
autism

>>376756370
>Alan Wake movie with Keanu
Make it happen

Alan Wake was not remarkable at all, hardly worth mourning over.

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>>376756820
>Alan Wake movie without Ilkka Villi
Why have a copy when you can have the original?

Unactivated keys should be unaffected by this, right? I still have unused Humble keys for both.

tl;dr
Alan Wake is getting removed from the Xbox store and Steam/Humble/GOG.
Steam version will be on sale for 90% off starting tomorrow, Xbox version isn't getting a sale because M$ sucks dick.
Xbox version has both DLCs for free and the game is backwards compatible on Xbone though.

American Nightmare is NOT getting delisted but will also be on sale because who cares.

>>376756370
We will.
And considering AN being a 'what if story' means Mr. Scratch is alive and kicking.

>>376756370
Twin Peaks is getting a new season soon so if it does well we might end up seeing people interested in Alan Wake and getting a sequel.

>>376757043
>not getting delisted
Man, I wish they did a bit more with it. Can listen to Kasabian only that many times.

It was released on GOG so DRM free installers are super easy to find. Sucks you can't give the devs any more money for it, but the game is far from lost just because it got taken off of store fronts. Don't worry.

>>376757250
That's a bit of a stretch

>>376753747
The music industry is absolutely horrible when it comes to IP, in no other industry do you see the level of sheer licensing horseshit, it is insane.

>>376757816
David Lynch is a meme god he'll save remedy

>>376754872
>creating art for money alone
Your art is shit and you should never even attempt anything artistic if you believe this.

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I have never played Alan Wake but it looked okay.
SAD.

>>376753747
Which leaves them all the less reason to not just commission a soundtrack or do it inhouse instead of licensing like a bitch.

Really wish they went through with the whole open-world thing. It could have been like Deadly Premonition, but on a budget great than that of a ham sandwich

>>376757968
I personally wouldn't make art for profit, but do you think we'd get shit like high budget movies without it?

Artists still have to eat, hard to refine your craft if you also work a 9 to 5

>>376756819
At this point you may just randomly smash keyboards and the result would be precisely the same.
>>376756974
Yeah, activation of a key should not be affected.

Reminder that the riaa made claims of limewire owing $75 trillion in damages in 2011 when the world gdp was $62 trillion

>>376758203
High budget doesn't make any difference in artistic quality.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to sell your art, but IP is bullshit and if the only way you can support yourself as an artist is through lawsuits and royalties you don't deserve to live.

>>376751782
billy jean was removed from vice city

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>>376758442
mfw this is actually true

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>make a big fuss about the game going away, last chance to buy etc. get some exposure and some extra money
>wait a year
>make a big fuss about the game returning, rights sorted, alan wake is saved etc. get some exposure and some extra money

>>376758643
These are the same guys who made Quantum Break, they're not that smart.

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>>376758442
>>376758607
Pay up goy! You owe it to (((us))) if you can't afford it we can discuss (((financing)))

>>376751158
It's like Life is Strange but flashlights instead of cameras

>>376751782
they actually patched songs out of the Steam version of San Andreas because they no longer have the licenses.

People who have physical copies still have the game as it originally was. Steam users got fucked.

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>>376749274
>>376749970

What the fuck is wrong with the game industry and being so retarded/jewish.

Does a movie stop going for sale when a 20 year old movie with """""licensed"""""" music expires?

If movies can do it, what jewish rule or law or other legalese bullshit is being implemented into vidya games but not movies?

This is why we should have killed all the jews long ago.

BTW, this isn't the first game to have this happen. Happens a lot. Many games are no longer available on Steam SIMPLY cuz of this stuff kike bullshit about music licenses. Don't forget GTA even though it was """fixed""" still pulled the original music even if you bought the game already.

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>>376758442
The music industry is run by literal retards.

RUSE got pulled from Steam "Due to the expiration of licensing rights over certain military items within the game"
Pretty much killed the multiplayer because no new players.

>>376758491
Artistic merit, no. However, no single person could make something like a pixar movie by themselves. The amount of man hours for the quality pixar aims for is unteneable for a single person. This allows group collaboration that wouldn't be possible as anything other than a 9 to 5.

How could you make money off of art without IP? Literally anytime you showed someone (including the client) your finished product, they could just use it, because you don't have any rights to it. Without IP laws I could literally go get a copy of the newest hit movie on Blu-ray, copy it, and sell it for 2 bucks, en masse.

Also happened to Hitman Contracts

So there's a chance it'll be re-added it seems if they're able to straighten it out. That Castle of Illusion remake got pulled recently but then added back a few months later so there's still hope.

That being said Remedy have pretty much given up on the license so there'll likely not be a sequel any time soon anyway.

>game developers stop wasting money on licensed garbage
>music jews have to go jew somewhere else
>never worry about this shit again

whoa

thankfully every gta since 3 has had a custom station so you can make your own station.

>>376759771
Licensed music was half the reason Bioshock had an atmosphere.

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>>376755696
>people like things that I don't

woah

>can't decide whether to get it on GOG or Steam
They both seem to have different extras

>>376759897
They better not touch my Bioshock.

>>376754998
http://www.theisozone.com/downloads/pc/windows-games/prey-pc/
Wouldn't this work?

>>376759897
true but the vast majority of bio1 and 2's music is public domain. bio2 was only briefly pulled from steam to renew a few of the songs.

F

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>>376761009
>the vast majority of bio1 and 2's music is public domain
Don't fucking lie on the internet
Just because they're old as shit and the creators died half a century ago doesn't mean they're Public Domain.
I fucking wish that was the case but it isn't, artists deserve to make money for a good 70 to 90 years after they bite the dust or else no one will ever make music ever again you fucking goy.

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>>376762102
>lifetime of the author + 70 to 90 year
I don't save these kinds of images so have a happymerchant.jpg

>>376762647
I'm not supporting these fucking retarded lengths I'm just saying you'll never be able to use an Elvis Presley song in your vidya without paying the dead fuck half a million until at least the 2040's

If they don't extend the length of copyright again that is. Which they will

>>376758961
devs/publishers(the more likely culprit desu) are too cheap to go for perpetual licenses with royalties.

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>guy is dead
>for some reason, this.

WHAT THE FUCK, EXPLAIN.

FUCK YOU MUSIC INDUSTRY,

>>376765401
I don't know what the F David's wife is doing since she's in control now. David wouldn't have wanted this.

>>376751340
Hi, Ross.

>>376759306
>Without IP laws I could literally go get a copy of the newest hit movie on Blu-ray, copy it, and sell it for 2 bucks, en masse.
And this is some kind of problem to you? IP is just artificial scarcity, you are being wildly overcharged for products that cost virtually nothing to reproduce and the only reason it "works" is because the state literally throws people in prison for doing what you described.

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>>376755413
Kill yourself.

>>376755696
I liked their song from Max Payne 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCj-I4LoqtQ

>>376767183
>And this is some kind of problem to you?
Yes, artificial scarcity is how such products continue to be made.

Your view is so small-minded and self-centered that it's not even worth discussing it with you.

>>376767183
Do you not understand that the reproduction costs aren't what you're paying for? You're paying for the initial time spent prototyping, refining, rendering, etc by skilled artists. If you only charged the literal fractions of pennies it would cost, then no one could do it as a job, and you wouldn't get anything besides hobby level shit.

>>376767958
I don't care. As a consumer IP law does absolutely nothing besides fuck me over. I'd vote to abolish it if I could.

>>376766140
Not at all, it fucking pisses me off.

>>376750713
>cease to exist
No it won't.

Pirate copies will stick around.

>>376751340
>all games
Wrong.

Fucking music industry useless as shit like always

>>376768201
>It does nothing besides fuck me over

And allows the companies that produce the media you consume to operate at all. Do you seriously think anyone besides maybe super passionate indie devs would make games without IP laws?

>>376769160
>Do you seriously think anyone besides maybe super passionate indie devs would make games without IP laws?
You know art existed long, long before IP laws existed right?

>BUT HOW WILL THE HUMBLE POET EARN HIS KEEP IF ANY SIMPLE SCRIBE CAN COPY HIS VERSES WITH QUILL AND INK AND DISTRIBUTE THEM AT HIS LEISURE? IT WILL BE UTTER CHAOS!

>>376769493
Firstly, you realize that most visual art was nigh impossible to copy in the olden days, because it basically required you to be as good an artist anyway?

Second, stuff like poetry in the middle ages had a wildly different audience considering the literacy rate. Copying books was infact, a very labour intensive task. Hence why a lot of monastaries copied the bible and other religious texts for preservation.

Third, I said that hobbists will always exist, but there is a world of difference in the amount of man hours it takes to make a movie (acting, directing, set building, choreography, composing the music etc)/video game (3d modelling, balancing the game, art, the insane amount of programming) and something like a novel or poem. While those still of course take great artistic effort, it's only one creative discipline needed so it's not unheard of for 1 person to make something that stands up to huge company funded works. An indie dev/director simply cannot create a production with as much polish as a studio backed work.

Whether you like action movies or not, do you really think an indie filmmaker can make the kind of set pieces the marvel or Micheal Bay movies use?

Do you really think an indie dev can get the graphical fidelity of something like crysis (on release)?

If you are really so short sighted you cannot even BEGIN to see where I'm coming from, you are either really underage, or just plain deluded.

>>376749274

I really wish this game got a sequel along with the original getting ported to ps4.

>>376769493
>Implying shit like quills and ink weren't relatively expensive for the middle ages
>implying writing wasn't a valuable skill
>implying people weren't saying this exact shit when the printing press became big and was one of the driving forces behind stuff like IP laws coming into existence

???

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>implying i wont just pirate it

>>376770219
>Whether you like action movies or not, do you really think an indie filmmaker can make the kind of set pieces the marvel or Micheal Bay movies use?
Marvel and Michael Bay are fucking horrible, I don't want that shit to be produced.
>Do you really think an indie dev can get the graphical fidelity of something like crysis (on release)?
I don't care about "muh graphics" I want good games, and as it happens, many of the best games are totally fucking free, like Cave Story and Dwarf Fortress.

Money, if anything, makes art worse. I do not like big-budget Hollywood productions, I don't like most big-budget AAA games, many of the things I like were made on a small or non-existent budget.

In my own self interest, IP law does nothing, and is only a complete hindrance. I know the pros and cons and I think it would be better to abolish it.

>>376771279
>I don't like thing
Good for you. Lots of people obviously do. That's also discounting genres that wouldn't even exist in an indie only atmosphere. How many indie MMOs do you know that aren't flaming pieces of shit?

Just because you personally don't like it isn't a good reason to abolish a series of laws that basically keeps the vast majority of artists employable

>>376771441
I don't play MMO garbage. Also Runescape was totally free and was apparently great from what I've heard.

>Just because you personally don't like it isn't a good reason to abolish a series of laws that basically keeps the vast majority of artists employable
Why not? Why would I not act in my best interest? I really don't care about fucking normie brainlet plebs that love to consume capeshit and Cowadooty garbage, I'd like them to be inconvenienced as much as possible in fact.

>>376771279
>I don't like most AAA

So you admit you like some?

Want to know a little secret anon? You aren't the only person in the world, and others have different tastes, IP law existing isn't making indie games impossible

>>376771768
>You aren't the only person in the world, and others have different tastes, IP law existing isn't making indie games impossible
Why should I care about other people's objectively inferior taste? Thanks to IP law I'm a literal criminal for pirating stupid little games like Minecraft, I want it gone.

Why don't they just write it into the contract that they reserve the right to re-release and continue the sell the game for as long as they want?

>>376760487
whynotboth.jpg

>>376753151
You can buy a key at Gamestop or online pretty much anywhere and it'll still work.

>>376758961

Shit happens, same reason you don't see the Drew Carey show on any of these streaming sites.

>>376751158
It's... eh... ok? It's sort of linear... it's sort of like clock tower. There's a heavy reliance on light. The enemies are vulnerable to it.

>>376752495
Preach it comrade

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>>376749918
No.

Alan Wake Sunset Sale -90% from May 13th to 15th
MAY 12 - LAURIRMD
If you have not yet played Time Magazine’s 2010 Game of the Year, now is your final chance. Remedy’s Alan Wake is going offline from stores. This is due to the expiration of music license agreements for the game. Alan Wake’s American Nightmare is not affected.

For 48 hours, you can buy Alan Wake including DLCs and Alan Wake’s American Nightmare at a 90% discount on Steam.

If you already own Alan Wake – like the majority of the gaming population out there – you have nothing to worry about. The game will stay in your library and continue to work for you.

Nice try schlomo, but I know another version will pop up sooner or later.

>>376755696
>not liking poets of the fall
Jealous Gods was pretty damn good. Havent heard Clearview yet though.

Who cares about this, it's on PC so you can always pirate it.
Console exclusives are the problem, like that Scott Pilgrim 360 game

>>376773450
Because the music industry (RIAA) consists of ancient money grubbing vampires that will fight you tooth and nail every step of the way when it comes to music rights. They want their money and they want it perpetuity. The doesn't just happen to games, TV series are affected as well. WKRP in Cincinnati will never see the light of day again unedited because of the sheer amount of licensed music they used. Neither will the Wonder Years or Northern Exposure. There are plenty of other shows that have had their music stripped just so they be distributed again. It's ridiculous and RIAA needs to be destroyed.