>Leave Soulsborne to me

>>376737425

this is going to be lords of the fallen all over again.
clunky, unpolished and unbalanced game made by people who don't get what made souls good and popular

>>376737425
>Exoskeleton not light enough to be fast
>Exoskeleton not heavy enough to be a stomping space marine
>Exoskeleton just the right weight to look like you shit yourself

>>376737573
But people liked Nioh.

>Sci-fi souls-like
>It's all melee anyway

Why?

>>376737425
The art design is awful. Lords of the Fallen looks way better than this.

What happened?

>>376738612
guns r 4 gays

>>376738386
Guns are boring sometimes

>>376737425
Last week you weer schreeching about this game was going to be the next Vanquish, now you changed tactics to shill about by saying its a Souls killer?

How many Souls killers have failed at that now?

>>376738386
This is why sci-fi soulsborne will never work.

>>376738386
Genuine question: how do you add guns without turning it into a 3rd person shooter?

Bloodborne worked because of perrying but anything else seems like it's taking it too far.

>>376740024
You can't without overhauling enemy movement, pathing and "cooldown" of dodge mechanics. Its why magic tends to be broken, enemies can't do shit to do since their pathing is fucking awful.

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>from the developers of Lords of the Fallen

>>376740024
Sci-fi has the advantage of introducing enough technobabble to somewhat justify all kinds of gameplay mechanics. You could have guns share the same energy resource that powers your shields, which are effectively your HP. Combine it with some kinda health gain mechanic like Bloodborne and you could have a risk reward of firing a space shotgun or laser thing or whatever at the cost of a third of your health. That's just some dumb idea I thought of right there, I'm sure there's better ways to do it.

Then again, if Miyazaki and Co. did it it'd probably just be Sorcery 2.0: Magic Missiles Ahoy.

>>376740024
Third person shooters aren't always a bad thing but to avoid it, I guess it would have to be fps.

Better question is how to explain the 'souls' mechanic. Corpse looting would mean you have to get close eventually. The only other way would be an automated 'bounty' system like Borderlands has. Souls = money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW4Kp48YOn4

hahahah holy fucking shit, it looks terrible

>>376740905
You fight machines only.
You use their batteries.
I think. Can you do that?

>>376738272
If it was on pc they wouldn't like it.

>>376740024
Honestly, Warframe managed to put both to work pretty nicely, we just need a game like that only without the korean grinding scheme

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>from the developers of Lords of the Fallen

>>376737425
Honestly I would love to see an AA or AAA dev tackle Souls properly. There's a lot of potential that From never tapped into. Unfortunately the ones who have tried are hacks (excluding maybe a few indie titles which are more "inspired by" Souls).

>>376741171
>Warframe
>anything like the Souls series

Are you retarded?

>>376741304
I meant in how both guns and sword are useful without making the other useless, they managed to find some sort of balance with the weapons that way

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>>376737425
>From the makers of Lords of the Fallen comes

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAHAHAAA

Wont even pirate

>>376741056
Only if it had Denuvo.

>>376741420
There are plenty of games that already do that.

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>>376740024
In a fun way? You can't.
It's why most magic systems are either OP or garbage in games like Souls, Dragon's Dogma, ES and so on.
It either turns into a who shoots first or it's a 3rd person shooter.

Honestly it be easier to script some world story where machines smash humanity back to the stone age and high speed projectiles can't work on robots anymore so your options are EMP sticks/swords/axes and grenades.

>>376740024
Could have it like Devil May Cry/Bayonetta/Darksiders, where guns do a tiny amount of damage compared to melee weapons.

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>>376740979
shit I like a scifi souls game but this is just garbage

Why do game developers feel the need to shill their games here?

>>376738386

because in your mind, the format HAS to include guns

>>376737425
LUL

>>376737425
Please stop marketer-san
Your game is too pathetic for these threads

>>376742015
But how do you rationalise a bullet being unable to hurt a robot while a sword can?

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>>376742279

>>376742217
But then it turns into a action game. Or worse if it's too weak in damage it just worthless and has no reason to be included.

>>376737425
This is one of the most boring games I've ever seen.
All enemies look like the same dude in exoskeleton.
Weapons also look the same, and their swinging animations are terrible.
"Monster" enemies aka big robots look like fucking stupid gardening or construction machines.
At least LotFallen had some Darksiders dark fantasy vibe to it.
It has crafting for armor.
No stats.
It's even more corridors than LotFallen.
Environment is either washed up colours+cement or too dark.
Few weapons, no ranged ones, no magic, no secondary weapon/shield.

It's so bad it's gonna be at 10€ next winter sales.

>>376737425
>How do we make our world look sci fi ish?
>Lets put some hexagons everywhere that'll great!
>Also some advertisements about the future. IN THE FUTURE
Why do they keep doing this?

>>376740664

It is? Damn, that was a clunky mess. They just didn't get the 'weight' of the gameplay right.

>>376742594
Hexagons are cool

>>376742452
Like I said. EMP, your not actually damaging them with the sword, it's the high power of the electrical magnetic pulse going through the armor and frying their circuits.
Basically makes everything over glorified stun clubs but it works as a narrative to where most people won't question it.

>>376742684
looks like they haven't learned anything either, based on >>376740979

>>376742736
>t. The Surge dev

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>>376742594
This.
>>376742736
pic related when the chinamen are at fault once again

>>376742457
No one here likes video games so threads like this one are a dead give away of shilling.

>>376742452
anon said EMP. Likely why anon also said that humanity needed to be sent to the stone age so you can't follow up with "well why not just fire a EMP missile at them?"

>>376742015
>It's why most magic systems are either OP or garbage in games like Souls, Dragon's Dogma, ES and so on.

Dragon's Dogma magic is balanced.

it really doesnt look bad

granted the setting actually progresses and isnt just grey industrial with people in exoskeletons the whole time

>>376738272
But Niohs combat is better than Souls.

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They managed to make chainswords boring, how is that even possible?

>>376742585
yep

what all the retards trying to copy dark souls don't get is 50% of what makes it so great is the amazing art, environments and enemy designs

this game's art design is literally fucking trash

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>>376742961
I haven't played the PC port but in 360/PS3 days it was broken as all fuck. Two mages and two warriors basically meant easy mode till Big G himself.

>>376742961
mages are balanced guys *fills screen with dust tornado*

>>376738386
Jedi used lightsabers for a reason and not blasters

>>376740979
Gettin real sick of the le spooky black shapeshifting substance meme.

>>376743312
Jedi have space magic that lets them sense the bullets coming.

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>>376740024

>>376743139
>two warriors

Yeah you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

>>376742961
>Dragon's Dogma magic is balanced.
Unless it's mystic knight.

>>376740979
>Utopia is cleared for launch
Persona 5?

>>376743616
Multiple Grand Cannons isn't any better than Charged Holy Bolt or Tenfold Blast Arrow spam.

>>376739404
What were other souls killers?

>>376739404
>How many Souls killers have failed at that now?
Besides Bloodborne?

>>376743691
Dark Souls 3 killed the Souls series by being so terrible.

>>376742875
Speak for yourself and get some friends. ;)

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>>376737425
Why do all modern western triple A games have this desgin asthetic of everything looking like a shitty lamborghini? are western really this creatively bankrupt?

can't wait until FROM announces new soulslike game set in a scifi setting, I cannot take souls clones serious

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>>376744130
Their new soulslike is Bloodborne 2.

>>376738272
>>376741056
Spot on. Sad to see Team Ninja go down that route for a quick buck.

>>376740979
this doesn't look like much fun at all

>>376744256
You do realise that it will be handeled by B team, since Miyazaki is confirmed to be working on the new IP?

>>376740024
Go the Dune route and put in shields

Swords go through shields
lasers make the gunner and the person with the shields on explode
bullets cant pierce shields

>>376744383
doesn't matter, we can pretend it's amazing and pCucks can't even argue

>>376742761
>>376742950
My bad, I skimmed over that
Yeah, hitting things with EMP sticks would work. Making EMP guns would be too complicated so it would make sense

>>376744256
>Getting excited for Bloodborne 2
>When every soulsborne game with a number in it has been varying degrees of shit

>>376743139
>>376743616

Nothing in Dogma is "Balanced". That's part of why it's so good. It doesn't care about "muh balance". The game breaks on almost any class if you play decently and gear correctly/level high enough.

Nothing in the game, Dark Arisen included, poses any threat to any class with half-ass reasoned out items and skills.

The combat has good weight, it has a good vibe going on, it has good artistic direction, and the "Imbalance" is an irrelevant side-effect that nobody even cares about.

Arguing about "Balance" in Dragon's Dogma is entirely fucking retarded.

>t. beat the game on launch, twice again year/s later, and multiple times on various classes, both solo, with pawns, all classes.

>>376742452
By having laser swords.

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>>376740024
By turning it into a third person shooter. But using good game mechanics instead of what is essentially a FPS crippled by console controller in every single way.

>>376740305
Also this. Half of what makes Third Person Shooters into what they are, is that all mechanics blend together into a no fun slow game.
Especially that movement is bad and slow.

>make a sci fi Souls clone
>"come up" with the most boring aesthetic possible
No thanks. Call me when From announces Blame! game.

>>376744869
>Nothing in the game, Dark Arisen included, poses any threat to any class with half-ass reasoned out items and skills.

This means the classes are balanced. :^)

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>you share a board with people who actually believe this is gonna be better than bloodborne or demons souls

>>376744831
That's also true for ds1 because it's technicaly demons souls 2.

>>376744831
>Dark Souls 1
>bad
(You)

>>376744910
>xcom in real time
Thats like using a sauce made of feces on otherwise fine food.

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>from the developers of Lords of the Fallen

>>376745028
Shitter detected, demons souls was superior in every way: better atmosphere, better story, better characters, better setting, better gameplay, better level design, better art direction, better pvp, you name it.

>>376745024
I'm not going on about technicalities here though.
>>376745028
It's just called that for convenience.
There's no actual number in the title.

>>376745319
Nostalgiafag detected.
B-but muh not on PC DeS exclusive elitist club.

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>>376744983
>Blame!

>guy looks like a normal with a shitty harness bolted over his clothes
Where are the futuristic suits of armor? Fuck this shit

>>376745550
Not an argument.

>>376745319
>grass chugging retardation
>doesn't have kaathe or frampt in it
>a bunch of disconnected archstones is better than DS1's interconnected world
>literally just use firestorm to beat the entire game


It's art is on par with DS1 and the atmosphere is slightly better but that's all it has. Everything else DS1 improved on

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>>376743481
severely underappreciated post
>guns run out of ammo quickly
>every type of gun limited in its functionality
>firing leaves you and enemies open due to recoil
>aiming just inertial enough to be dodgeable in close range, but still responsive enough to feel good
>enemy holding weapons opens them up for damaging disarm moves

>>376745651
I think you play as some disabled schmuk who got an exoskeleton so he can move, not a soldier made for fighting

>>376745891
You play as a manual laborer who just got an implant enabling you to use industrial exoskeletons.

>>376745827
You have very shit taste, anon.

>>376746017
and you've got a bad case of nostalgiafaggotry

DS1 is objectively a better game than Des, especially now that it has DLC. There might be some stuff in demon's that is better/cooler but that's the minority. I do wish they'd kept world tendencies but that's probably the biggest thing demon's souls does better mechanically.

>>376745028
You're just trying to start shit, aren't you?

>>376740024
>>376740905
Let It Die has guns, buts its Souls like.

Have a destruction system for equipment.

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>>376743481
>Bungie before buyout
>They don't make games like this anymore

>>376746249
I played it after dark souls and it felt like a major improvement over it.

>>376743910
>Dark Souls 2 almost killed the Souls series by being so terrible.


fixed

I'm playing this for review and I'm not joking when I say I'm considering giving this an 8.

In contrast I gave Dark Soul 3 a 7, still don't know why other mainstream review outlets rated it so highly.

>>376745319
>DeS
>better PvP than anything
>Implying
How about no

>>376746476
>still don't know why other mainstream review outlets rated it so highly.
Well, maybe it has something to do with series being a major overhyped franchise.

>>376737425
I watched some stream for a couple of hours and it seems pretty damn solid to me. It has a lot of mechanics going on at the same time, nice visuals and good artstyle. I'll probably pick it up on release or near it.

>>376746584
G I T G U D
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>>376746667
I'm kind of hype for it too, we're both going to get called shills now though.

>>376746423
So did I, and it felt like a beta version of DaS in terms of actual gameplay. You liked it better because you were already proficient and souls gameplay when you started.

You know I played around with Lords a little bit, assuming it to be an easy Dark Souls.


Died like 10 or so times by the time I made it to that parallel world place. Haven't touched it since, although that's probably do to Dks 3 controlling me for whatever reason.

>>376746476
because after the utter crap that was DS2, DS3 is a good game?

>>376746667
>nice visuals
>good artstyle

It's got literally the most ugly retarded generic looking artstyle I've ever seen in a game. It somehow managed to have worse looking art than LOTF. Like holy shit what the fuck is wrong with you

>>376746584
It gets a dozen free points for not having poise.

>>376746476
>I'm playing this for review and I'm not joking when I say I'm considering giving this an 8.
Do you have any hot opinions to go along with it or are you just throwing empty praise around for a game infamous for marketing?

>>376746476
Cons:
>dodges take too little stamina and are almost unpunishable, stacking the game hard against more tanky gameplay
>covenants are unimaginative gameplay-wise
Pros:
>literally everything else

Why is this game getting shilled so much? Ive seen like 4 threads today.

>>376746998
world and story were both shit

>>376738272
They really shouldn't have. That game had abysmal enemy variety, it was a chore past the first third of the game. Amrita Demons were some of the worst enemies I've ever seen- tanky, slow enemies who could kill you in one string.

I really think it might be the most overrated game ever. It had a metacritic rating about equivalent to BloodBorne when I would rate it about a 6.5 out of 10.

>>376746909
it's really a matter of opinion.

I'll take industrial sci-fi over fantasy game #919258

>>376746934
I'm just surprised, that's all. Think this will be the definition of a sleeper hit. Was plonked on my desked a few days ago, without even recognising the develops name (I wasn't around for Lords of the Fallen release).

I guess these threads do look a bit suspicious, but I'll be curious to see the reaction when embargo lifts. Talking to others, and they feel the same way.

>>376746909
Name your version of good sci-fi art style.

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>>376741420
Yes warframe is the only game to use guns and swords effectively

I see a lot of shitposting and the game isn't even out, it seems at least original when it comes to art and setting.
Waiting for reviews and shit to see if it's worth something

>>376746690
It's not about getting good
It's about the system being so easily exploited it stops being fun
Second Chance (which you can cast over and over) + Grass means 30min battles in the least, for example
Armor is pointless so everyone is fastrolling naked
Everyone and their mothers using Cursed Weapon for free

It's very unique and it's own flavour, but as a "fighting among players" system it's the worst

>>376746998
(you)

>>376747017
>people are interested in a new game
>somehow its shilling
Guess I forgot that /v/ hates games.

>>376747121
>That game had abysmal enemy variety, it was a chore
Same problem nier automata had yet /v/irgins will call it GOTY even tho the first two playthrough was tremendously boring.

>>376744383
God dammit this isn't how game dev works. Miyazaki doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the actual fucking development of the game. The game itself is made by hundreds of other artists, programmers and designers. The whole B team meme is fucking stupid, it's all the same studio. Miyazaki just rides on the whole 'auteur' thing that the games industry is fucking obsessed with.

>>376747420
That's right shill, nobody is interested in your crap.

>>376747456
It has the best ass in vydia.

>>376747254
>What is giving an example

>>376747563
>Miyazaki doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the actual fucking development of the game
Tanimura-san, onegai.

>>376747585
It was okay.

>>376747117
>>376746998
Also forgot about poise. That was pretty bullshit, especially near the start of the game when it was not as prominent AND nobody realized how it worked.

The world and story were pretty much the same as other games, and it gave some interesting closure to some of the questions from 1. It's not like Souls have a good story, it's just presented in an entertaining way that makes you actively work for it.

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>>376747580
yeah, instead of talking about new games we should have another persona waifuposting thread, right?

>>376747420
No one was interested Warhammer Souls, no one is interested in high tech melee combat (???) Souls. Fuck off.

>>376747563
Explain how most of the staff that was involved with DeS and DaS produced an anti-thesis of it and suddenly got it right again.

>>376747865
I prefer brap threads personally but yeah that's pretty much it

>>376747865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5CBhPDQDr4

>>376743514
not anon but two board and shields were just walls for your archers/mages. They died but good god did they soak.

>>376747198
Lmao go fucking kill yourself, dark souls is not generic fantasy. If you want garbage generic fantasy, go look at lords of the fallen, made by the same garbage devs. That is a fantasy artstyle. I'm not sure what to call the artstyle of dark souls, but it's definitely not generic fantasy garbage so how about you go drink some bleach.

>>376747232
Prey has a pretty good look. It wouldn't fit a souls game but it looks nice. The surge would look generic and garbage even if the gameplay was more like Prey. It's so fucking boring and ugly and retarded looking. You're on earth in a fucking anti global warming facility, there's nothing exciting or cool about that. Come to think of it actually, the new deus ex games have an amazing look that would fit well for souls games. I think the only way you could make a good scifi dark souls is if it was a sort of post apocalyptic cyberpunk style shit. Dark souls just doesn't work visually in clean shiny industrial environments. It has to be dirty, ancient, worn, desolate. Like you've stumbled on the ancient ruins of a long forgotten world.

Not some fucking gay robot factory

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>>376743481
>post a 3rd person shooter

>>376746398
they are trap in the MMO mess now.

>>376747662
you weren't asked to give an example of a third person action game with guns, you were asked about a soulsborne game with guns.

>>376748398
>It has to be dirty, ancient, worn, desolate
Whatever you say.

>>376748409
It's a beat em up, m8.

>>376748398
Repulsive, busy artdeco in space is good?

>>376747121
>who could kill you in one string.
Nigger what

>>376748398
>the new deus ex games have an amazing look that would fit well for souls games.
>the only way you could make a good scifi dark souls is if it was a sort of post apocalyptic cyberpunk style shit. Dark souls just doesn't work visually in clean shiny industrial environments. It has to be dirty, ancient, worn, desolate.
You contradict yourself.

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>>376748398
wow, you sure are getting worked up. why don't we pretend your opinion is fact? I'm willing to do that so you don't die of an aneurysm.

>>376748906
Not an argument, shitstain.

>>376748840
>not knowing combo terminology

>>376738272
I enjoyed playing Nioh but it's no Dark souls.
Boss fights get very very same-same and of course as everyone says same enemies over and over. Kinda regret getting delux edition because I don't honestly know when I'll feel like playing new content.

I'm glad they made it and it's worth playing if you like souls COMBAT but aside from that it falls short in every other category.

>>376749126
>Not an argument
neither is you purporting your mere opinion as an objective fact. some people might like games that you don't, a strange and scary thought but you'll learn to cope with it in time.

>>376749168
Yes but it takes more then one string no matter what you use even if you use the broken Kingo armor with the bat.

>>376747721
Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls both had great stories and worlds.


DS3 has a world that fits together but isn't cohesive. It feels like a piecemeal of random things glue together rather than an actual cohesive land. If they wanted to take that approach they should have had the world look all warped like the dreg heap, but instead it just feels generic and uninspired. Oh fuck yes let's have more ugly poison swamps except now they're literally just ugly poison swamps that have no sense of scale to them at all.

When you were in blighttown in DS1 you felt small, you could look up and see the walls and pillars of lordran and know that you were really at the bottom of the world. Farron swamp is just a bunch of ugly trees.

DS3's story is pure ass because it revamps the same old usual dark souls tropes while also introducing some interesting new stuff that it immediately discards and never mentions again. The game should have been focused on the deep, the angels and Londor but instead we got more of the same old shit except worse.

Endings were also all garbage. At least DS2 had a good ending with Aldia's questline

>>376749175
>I'm glad they made it and it's worth playing if you like souls COMBAT but aside from that it falls short in every other category.
I don't feel it. While Souls bosses would try to punish you and force you to back off every now and then, Nioh bosses are way too two-dimensional.

>>376749126
>I'll just present my subjective opinion as a fact
>gets called out on it
>gets butthurt
You really know how to make productive conversation.

Can you create your own character?

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>>376748409
>>376748760
it's both

>>376749456
no, its a set protag who probably won't be fleshed out very much but that's not why I play games like this to begin with.

>>376749357
>DS2
>good anything

>>376749462
Thats the whole point.

>>376746398
Bungie west made it. Not Bungie itself. West also made Myth.

>>376749578
(you)

>>376749613
That's no point then because the question ask was how to have a game with guns that isn't an FPS, meaning the anon was stupid as fuck to bring up Oni.

>guns and swords how?
Maybe have enemies regenerate and you need to use melee to sever body parts or finish them off.

So you have gun to pull or to use supplemental effects but you can't just stay back and cheese everything.

Have ammo have a energy type and enemies build a resistance to it so over using it own't work and you have to save your shots for when you really need the ranged damage.

There's a lot of ways it could work but you have to outside of conventional ways living things would take damage.

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>>376748846
>what is golem city

literally kill yourself

>>376748906
If you're one of those "art is subjective" hipster retards go stick a dildo up your ass and argue with your dick about whether that makes you subjectively or objectively gay

>>376748661
There are no dark souls games set in shiny new cities and castles. They are always ancient and forgotten lands full of mystery. There's no mystery to a random ass fucking factory.

>>376748762
Not sure what you're talking about but prey looks fine from an artistic standpoint.

>>376738272
I find Nioh more like Onimusha than dark souls

>>376749547
>Can't play as a cute girl

Why bother?

crack when

>>376749578
The ending with Aldia is the best ending in any of the games, and Aldia/Vendrick are also both two of the best voiced and written characters as well.

It was nice to talk to the powerful ancient lords for a change instead of just raping them to death

>>376749746
He clearly meant the game where guns don't overshadow melee combat, and Oni fits that perfectly. Learn to communicate, it's a very handy skill in real life.

>>376749547
Into the trash it goes, Lords of the Fallen had that tryhard stupid Viking wannabe MC. Much rather wait for Mizayaki's sci fi game.

>>376749864
no denuvo so on release day

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>>376743481
>>376745835
Are you guys serious? It's for the most part an FPS. if you think that answers the person question then XIII, and Killer 7 should count then.

>>376749798
>>what is golem city
How it's ancient or desolate?
>There are no dark souls games set in shiny new cities and castles.
Anor Londo looks rather shiny.

>>376740979
>big monster final boss

So it's just Lords of the Fallen again. Terrific.

>>376749798
>There's no mystery to a random ass fucking factory
Says dude with no imagination.

>>376749951
>He clearly meant the game where guns don't overshadow melee combat
so you both know what he means and that it's a he?
Listen samfag I get it you think it was a good answer but it was piss terrible. The question was how to have guns and not turn it into a third person shooter. Oni is a third person shooter.

>>376749835
>can't be a cute girl irl
Why even live?

>>376740979
Robomaus or manus 2.0 which is it?

>>376749798
>If you're one of those "art is subjective" hipster retards go stick a dildo up your ass and argue with your dick about whether that makes you subjectively or objectively gay
taste is subjective, artistic merit isn't.

I play video games that look fun, not artistic merit. there are much better hobbies for artistic fulfillment than video games.

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>>376737425
>"souls inspired" games will be a thing from now

Nioh was good but this needs to stop.

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>>376750090
>big monster final boss

>>376741546
was a good fap

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>>376749357
DS3 actually does fit together though. The view from the high wall is the whole game.

>>376750280
Why care? What you felt like a special snowflake with your pseudo obscure game type? Nothing changes them if they go mainstream, you'll still get the same volume of quality games it's just there will be filler in between.

>>376749547
Ok that sucks then. I didn't like that about Lords either.

>>376750192
>so you both know what he means
Yeah, because I can understand other people, unlike you apparently.
>that it's a he
Should I used he/she?
>Oni is a third person shooter
Because it has tps tag on wikipedia?

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>>376740979

>Final boss room is just a fucking drab gray square room like literally every other room in the game.

>>376750301
in his defense it uses the same assets and moves

>>376737425
character design looks pretty weird

>scifi souls
>not system shock with a souls system
>3 paths: melee power weapons, ranged guns, psi magic
>instead we get zzzZzzzz simulator

into the trash

The environments in this look so fucking bland and uninspired holy fuck

>>376740979
>big black bipedal blob
>instead of reacting to circlestraffing it just slides across the floor to track you
Laaame.

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>>376750080
>Anor Londo looks rather shiny.

Because it's a fucking illusion you retard. Kill the transexual degenerate and it becomes a dark shitty nightmare. That aside, Anor Londo is also intended to be a contrast to the rest of the game, and it fills it's purpose very well.

>How it's ancient or desolate?

Are you fucking retarded? just look at it. It's dirty, decrepit, falling apart at the seams. Obviously because it is still inhabited by living humans Golem City would not actually be a good dark souls level, but I'm talking Aesthetically. Golem City's artstyle and areas could be very easily converted into a great Sci-fi dark souls level with a few tweaks.

>>376750167
The surge is literally set in a "anti global warming factory" and then "something went wrong and everyone becaeme zombie"

fucking kill yourself if you think that's interesting

>>376749361
What do you mean by two dimensional?

>>376750904
Too many straight forward attacks, they're not reactive enough.

>>376750264
Artistic merit makes games fun though. There is no feeling I enjoy more while playing games than exploring a world in a dark souls game for the first time, because of how masterfully crafted and designed they are.

I never even bothered finishing lord of the fallen.

>>376749343
Maybe I don't know how to read, but the other anon meant that it takes one string for the Amrita Demon to kill William, not the other way around

>>376750521
>Because it has tps tag on wikipedia?
That and it had the mechanics in it. It didn't play like a souls game, it played like an FPS that had heavy melee.

Looks dated gameplaywise.

>no hyperarmor means mc can interrupt at any time
>that glue effect (leaping turning etc towards the enemy when attacking) makes spacing useless
>Stunlocking is a concern (no recovery for enemies after recieving a fixed amount of hits)
>insta kill button
>weapon hitboxes are too big (mc)
>stamina revovery is insane
>dodging looks odd (either too starting animation or to few recovery frames after dodging. Distance is too far too)

I wonder how it feels but looks too easy so far (except the damage recieved)

>>376747585
>but MUUUUUUHHHHH DDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
kill yourself. This is why no one except virgin weebs take that game seriously.

>>376750849
>The surge is literally set in a "anti global warming factory" and then "something went wrong and everyone becaeme zombie"
And most of dark souls is set in "it's a medieval kingdom, than something goes wrong and everyone becaeme zombie". Just admit that you don't like something because you don't like it, there is no reason to validate your subjective preferences before other people, espesially on anonymous imagebord.

>>376749978

thank you bratok

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>>376740979
FUCK YOU, HEAR ME?

>>376751110
>it played like an FPS that had heavy melee
At first I thought that you are just retarded, but I see that I was too naive.

>>376751256
No, dark souls is set in an ashen world that was once ruled by eternal stone dragons but then the first flame showed up and filled the world with life and death and light and dark and then the dragons got massacred but the fire is destined to fade so the lord of light created the curse of undeath to shackle the children of the lord of dark and help lengthen the age of fire.

If dark souls was just "medieval kingdom full of zombies" it would be boring, just like bloodborne is a lot more than just "werewolves in victorian london"
The Surge is literally just a rogue AI went wrong in some anti global warming science facility

The final boss is called "rogue process"

It's shit

>>376750301
If Moon Presence wasn't a secret ending and you fought it each time, I'd say the same thing about it.

That's a big part of why I hate the Wet Nurse. I like its design and fight, but because it can act as a final boss, I think it's shitty and feels thrown in at the last second.

Im honestly more interested in Code Vein.

>>376751841
>dark souls is set in an ashen world
Yet more than half of the game is generic medieval setting. You're trying too hard, anon.

>>376752075
>two new upcoming souls games
>one is disgusting edgedark weeb trash
>other is literally set in a bland boring factory

This is fucking suffering, both The Surge and Code Vein are fucking godawful. I'm beginning to think that Fromsoft are literally the only people in the world who can make a good souls game.

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The art direction looks terrible, tbqhwyfam.

The dodge also looks janky as fuck.

>>376738272
>>376744267
>never even played the game
>bitches about it

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>>376752446
>he doesn't like giant robot factories
Fucking pleb.

>>376752234
are you literally retarded anon? I'm talking about what the world was like before everyone came along and built their castles and shit. You can even go into ashen lake and see what the entire world used to look like before the first flame.

In the surge, you literally never leave your bland stupid boring ugly factory. You never go into a forest, or a cave, or a swamp, or anything even remotely interesting or varied. You fight the final boss in a boring grey room that looks literally no different than any other room in the game.

>>376737425
This actually seems like it could be good. Instead of just making a Dark Souls clone like with Lords of the Fallen, they're making their own spin on the formula with the whole limb targeting and crafting weapons/armor etc. mite b cool. I'm still gonna wait to see if it's shit though, I'm not getting fooled twice.

>>376746398
All the pre-buyout Bungie people are long gone anyway.

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>>376752705
except that's not what the surge looks like

this is where you fight the final boss

>>376750280
>"doom inspired" games will be a thing from now
Quake was good but this needs to stop.

>>376749890
There was nothing well written about Vendrick or Aldia. Especially when 1/3 of Vendrick's dialogue is literally a recital of the DS1 opening video. Aldia was written by someone that thought players would be so mystified by the idea of there being a third path that it needed absolutely nothing added onto it to give it substance.

However, DS2's DLCs in general were better than DS3's. That includes from a story perspective, since the Ivory King plot just by itself was handled better than AoA's story, while TRC is an incoherent mess.

>>376752725
>what the world was like before everyone came along and built their castles and shit
And that doest matter in the slightest.
>You never go into a forest, or a cave, or a swamp, or anything even remotely interesting
How these are interesting? I can go to places like these in real life.
>looks literally no different than any other room in the game.
Lol, I take that you already played the game?

>>376752985
>this is where you fight the final boss
And?

>>376752581
>everyone who dislikes an exclusive of my favorite company hasn't played it
Don't you have a BOTW thread to shitpost in, kid?

>>376750849
>Kill the transexual degenerate and it becomes a dark shitty nightmare.
You're exaggerating a lot. It just gets dark. Nothing else

>Sci-fi setting that focuses on melee combat

That's way too much suspension of disbelief for me. Even if we are to assume that the location for the game is not a military complex stocked with weapons, the main character seems tech savvy enough to fix himself a gun from the parts he collects.

But nah, gotta get those dark souls points.

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>>376753278
Thinks..
>I play BOTW
>I have a nintendo stuff
>Kid
>I like it being a exclusive, and its my fav company.

gtfo pls.

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>>376753096
>How these are interesting? I can go to places like these in real life.

Sure you can anon, I've been to places that look just like this picture all the time :v)

>And that doest matter in the slightest.
>doest
>DOEST

lmao

and yes it does matter, because the origins and creation myth of dark soul's world is what makes it so interesting to explore. The surge is literally just our world maybe 100 years in the future where global warming is bad and there are robots

>>376752985
this is the final boss room, and the final boss is literally just a angry black AI blob

>>376753609
So you never played the game you're bitching about. Really makes me think.

>>376749361
Yeah the bosses just kinda do their rooteen and stick their butt out or stand their for you to beat on em a bit. They get stronger but it's still a "dodge behind and butt smack, tunn away from big flashy super move, repeat" even with the last bosses.
The hardest was the bird girl who's the 3rd boss.

I really appreciate that Das3 bosses have a lot of moves that punish the lazy or 'conventional' way people tend to play. Was watching someone do abswatchers and was impressed how perfectly the attacks in the second phase caught them.

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>>376753190
this is where you fight the final boss of dark souls 1

see any difference?

I thought this game was out already

My local guy has it for sale right now
Should i get it?

>>376747121
>Amrita Demons were some of the worst enemies I've ever seen

t. retard who couldn't even understand a mechanic they explained to your directly

Amrita Fiends are the definition of an easy mode enemy. Lemme give you a little hint: trying matching colors when damaging them

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>>376753783
I never said I haven't played Nioh.

Hard time reading?

>>376753818
Does ds1 have only this kind of environment?

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>>376753460
>it gets really super fucking dark, for a place that's supposed to be the dark souls equivalent of heaven

>>376753818
>2011

>>376753828
How do you expect anyone to respond if the game isn't out already? Just eat the bullet and tell us if it's good.

>>376753460
nothing happens if you kill the tranny.

it turns dark if you destroy the booby lady

>>376753828
Nobody here played it yet, why are you asking?

>>376740979
Ending was 3deep5me, really made me think.

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>>376754028
No, it has a huge range of areas from dark forests, haunted underwater cities, ruins amidst massive lava flows, a giant library, a giant cave of crystals, ancient crumbling churches/castles, a tomb so dark you can't see more than a few feet ahead of yourself, and so on.

>>376750035
>it's for the most part an FPS
it can't be a shooter since you don't physically have enough ammo to shoot more enemies that you beat up
not to mention
>FPS
>F

>>376740979
Guess I'll wait until it's on sale on steam for under 10 bucks

>>376754060
>current year+1 and still no game better than dark souls 1

JUST

>>376754231
no it goes dark if you do either.

>>376752446
>both of these games that haven't even released yet are fucking godawful
lmfao dude

>>376740979
>sci-fi souls clone
>still manages to be primarily about hitting things with a long sword until they die

>>376753034
>Souls is the Doom of Action RPGs and totally innovates a genre of its own by slapping roguelite elements and invasive coop.
Can't make this shit up.

>>376754045
It puts into perspective how bad things really are

>>376737425
>its like this game series BUT WITH POWER ARMOR
Going to be absolute dog shit

>>376754612
I killed Gwyndolin but not Gwynevere.

All the lights in the city... Stayed on.

>>376754450
Then why are you judging environments of an entire game by it's final boss room?

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>>376754612
>no game better than dark souls 1
Action games are for people too stupid to play strategy games anyway.

>>376752234
>Yet more than half of the game is generic medieval setting.
Objectively wrong for multiple reasons

>>376737425
is there character creation on this or are you forced to play as buff mcbufferson again?

>>376755489

Because the game is already leaked? You never go outside of the factory.

>>376755728

There isnt. You play as Beef Rockjaw

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>>376753783
>>376754017
wow nintenbros really are getting dumber by the day. It used to take at least some effort to troll them , now they just blow themselves up if they try to troll someone else. Sad!

>>376755776
Have you ever been at the factory, anon?

>>376755909
And dropped

>>376738272
Nioh was shit though. There has yet to be a good Souls clone. Hell, the 2D Souls clones have come far closer to Souls games than any of the 3D ones.

>>376756220
In what way?

>>376756220

Nioh's combat shits all over Souls combat. I vastly prefer having only a handful of weapons that all play differently and have varying movesets by stance than dozens upon dozens of weapons with identical movesets, and only a handful of all those weapons are actually worth using.

Unfortunately, everything else about it, from level design to storytelling to enemy variety to music, is inferior.

>>376756220
Souls are a shit clone of BoD.

>>376756634

You spelled Legacy of Kain incorrectly.

I watched a stream of it earlier. It actually looks pretty fun. There was this slick ass slide you could use to get in and attack and enemy, and there's a focus on severing limbs to take the parts they're using. I thought it was just going to be some shallow cyber souls, but it looks genuinely interesting.

>>376737425

Reading through this whole thread has been fun.

Am i the only person who admits that all the "Souls" games are pretty good in their own ways? All of them.

DES, DAS1, 2, 3, Bloodborne, Salt & sanctuary, Nioh, even Lords of the Subpar was pretty enjoyable albeit on a plane below the rest in terms of quality and overall design.

Why so much edgy contrarian "LOL EVERYTHING IS SHIT WOW SHIT EVERYTHING IS SHIT GARBAGE LOL U LIKE THE GAME THAT IS ONLY 80% LIKE THE GAME I LIKE LOL UR SHIT KYS NECK YOURSELF WOW LOL CANCER"

It's sickening.

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>>376755912
You're just a big troll, I liked Nioh and don't like Nintendo.

>Nintenbro.

>>376756923
No, plenty of fanboys around. Fencesitting is very in these days, especially among contrarians.

>>376738272
>nioh
>soulsborne

Someone didn't play it

>>376749357
>soulsgames
>good stories
Stopped reading there

>>376756923
>Am i the only person who admits that all the "Souls" games are pretty good in their own ways? All of them.

I feel the same way which is why going into Souls threads these days feels like putting your head in a pile of shit. Every fucking day we have someone make a thread about ranking Souls games and whine endlessly about the same shit they've been talking about for the last several months.

Soulsfags were really a fucking mistake.

>>376744383
Miyazaki has said that he is working on 3 projects which coroborates the theory that the team has 3 projects currently.

Go watch the interview the man himself said that he was working on all 3 projects.

>>376755912
Thats a sad picture. Why even make it?

>>376756787
>not the prince of persia 1989

>>376757151

Eh, but Nioh basically is a souls game. I really enjoy Nioh and actually have picked it back up with the DLC (I didn't know they added Way of the Demon, which is pleasing).

You can't really argue that it isn't a Souls-y game. Because it is. It's just got some twists to it, and the combat is a bit more smooth-flow.

>>376756923
>he starts to realise that almost all games have something enjoyable in them
You are on the road to enlightment, but many /v/ demons would attempt to lead you astray.

>>376757306
At least we are getting a new aromered core game.

>>376757576
If enlightenment means rationalizing a mostly conceptually flawed product because I grew stockholm syndrome over a series, I'm glad to be whatever you call me.

>>376740024
Single shot guns would work, hell even revolvers if you have them deal shitty damage.

Just say every gun is either a railgun or some really high caliber rifle/pistol.

Imo medieval China/Japan would be the best for a Souls game, you get matchlocks but they're often less effective than swords and bows.

>>376754819
>muh Doom sacred cow
You're missing the point. Regardless of the quality of the games, the gameplay formula is different and innovative enough to make a new genre out of, or at least a new sub-genre of ARPG. Just like "roguelikes/lites/whatever" and yes, FPS as well. It's not just invasions/coop that make these games unique.
>roguelite elements
Have you played any Souls game?

>>376757706
It may as well be seeing as you kept playing them.

>>376757920
Me? I just dropped the turds I came across instead of making up excuses for terrible game design while piling up hundreds of hours on a game I hate just because my anonymous friends(?) told me to enjoy it.

Also, that shitty russian clone you bashed? Way better game than 2.

>>376758081
>that shitty russian clone you bashed? Way better game than 2.
What are you even talking about?

>>376758380
Is it slavic then? Whatever. Don't know, don't care.

>>376756923
Other than LofF which really was overall just bad, I agree. DaS in particular all three feel unique in their own way. I like that they experiment lightly with the formula to see what works and what doesn't.

>>376758584
>russian
>not slavic
The mongol meme must stop.

>>376737425
I hope its fun. All it needs to make me happy is just a shit ton of different parts. I just want to chop things up and get a bunch of stuff to mix and match.

>>376758903
Don't sweat it, they're all irrelevant nations and people at the end of the day.

>Its a copy of Dark Souls, so its trash.
>Its not a copy of Dark Souls, so its trash.

Why dont you faggots wait to try it before sucking off a mediocre action RPG and its 2 underwhelming sequels?

>>376737425
Why would anyone in the future use melee weapons like that? Melee is practically obsolete already. I'm sure even in the near future we're gonna have lasers that melt your innards before you even get close enough to pull out a fucking axe. What a gay game lmao

>>376758865
>which really was overall just bad
Was it? The only things can think of to complain about are not enough content and design being to wh without being wh enough. Graphics were far superior to DS 1 and 2.

>>376757509
It is a third person action game with stages, diablo loot system, collectables, weapons with different skills, a skill tree, and a story. It really doesn't have much in common with Souls other than shrines that respawn enemies (because of the loot grind system), exp loss on death which you can collect, and coop if you're a shitter.

>>376759483
>in the near future we're gonna have lasers that melt your innards
Nah, we are stuck with ballistic weapons for at least hundred years or so.

From Softwares Soul games has atmosphere. Amazing gameplay is just a bonus .

>>376759483
Its all improvised tools and junk you pull off of bosses.

>>376759792
We already have anti aircraft/anti missile lasers. We should hopefully have any idea personnel lasers soon. I'm no weapons expert though. My source is my hairy butthole

>>376760391
>any idea

Anti. Excuse my faggy phoneposting

>>376759652
Good thing I don't play for the graphics.
Everything in LotF felt like a child's idea of "generic fantasy". I usually hate medieval fantasy settings, yet Dark Souls handled it with such originality, consistency, wide variety of content, an impressive connecting world, characters and stories that kept me interesting, interesting enemies with a wide vairty of movesets, their placements just in the right place to test your several skills.

LotF had none of that. It just felt generic and clunky. This new one isn't impressing me either. It still looks clunky, floaty combat, generic future setting, etc.

>>376760591
>I don't play graphics, I play setting
Sorts of shit.

>>376746249
I like it more because the gameplay is faster and I like the movesets more

DaS1 is still good but BB and DeS are just so much better

>>376753798
I heard people often criticised DaS3 for having 'muh difficult' bosses, but I think thats only because they all had moves which mixed up the meta. I enjoyed it a lot, and it made the game's bosses feel a more organic than previous games.

>>376759772
fuck off tripfaggot

>>376761262
>they all had moves which mixed up the meta
I facerolled most of them with great shield and circle strafing.

>>376761262
I like how they flowed naturally between moves, making you a bit more cautious as to what they were doing. Plus those attack combos that wait just a little more to punish panic rolls.

>>376737425
Nigga just play warframe

>>376740024
limited ammo, based on limited resources that are only recharged when you go to the bonfire, easy lol.

>>376740024
you could just replace the arcane in bloodblorne with lasers. Instead of using items to summon a spell it could be a battery or a laser system. Then have the same gun system as bloodborne.

Basically replace bloodbornes arcane with laser shit. Replace ARC or INT stat with TECH stat that lets you use better energy beams and shit.

>fucking chest death beam right into a staggered enemy's face

>>376740024
Same way Transformers:Devastation did - you just make the two types of weapons tie into each other constantly.

>>376748158
>FUCKING NORMIE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I fucking lost it hahahahahaha. Why have I never seen this before...

>>376744267
>quick buck
>been making it for 11 years.
Educate yourself.
Plays better than any souls game anyway.
Just fails hard in the story and atmosphere part.
It's just a fanatical retelling of history.

>>376751018
Date would like a word with you.

>>376761412
He is indeed one.
Though he is not wrong.

>>376759652

Lords of the Snoozefest had some of the most sluggish, boring combat I ever forced myself to experience.