>According to research done by analytics firm Newzoo, 42 percent

what the fuck is going on? who watches football instead of fucking playing it?

>>376726983

Over in one post. Good job, /v/.

>>376726983
this, op. sometimes people just want to watch others do something they can't do or want to do themselves

Are you implying that this is a surprising statistic?

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>>376726983
>vidya is sports

5 years ago, everyone would call this bait.

>>376726983
That's a valid question though

>>376726983
>>376727049
sigh you fucking nerds.

People watch sports to watch elite talent in something you cant do. You can still go play the fucking game you dweeb.

>>376726885
Because ultimately the game isn't fun to play, but the plays can be exciting. This isn't any different then people that are big sports fans, but never play the sport.

>>376726983
>>376727049
>>376727106
>It's another "loser teens try to equate playing video games to activities that require strenuous physical activity" episode
I thought this website had self awareness.

>>376727228
Alright, go play with the top players in any popular esport game, post results.

>>376727239
Anyone can throw a ball dum dum.

Yeah, I know man! 99.99999% of the people who watch the NFL don't play in it! What the fuck is up with these losers?

>>376727228
>>376727239
here come the brainlets

>>376727239
kill yourself. I was equating watching something with watching something, you autistic faggot

That's funny. 60% of /v/ posters don't play any games and come here to shitpost since >>>/b/ is >>>/gif2.0/

>>376727049
>>376727106

I played football from elementary school to a DI school in college. To get a football game you need:

>at least 53 players, college typically allows 85 players per team
>equipment
>a 100 yard marked field
>7 refs
>coaches and gameplans

This takes a tremendous amount of time, money and effort. Meanwhile, in vidya, I can sit at home in my underwear and download a game then play it.

>>376727228
>sigh
kys yourself

>>376727228
>You can still go play the fucking game you dweeb.

But many people can't play at that level, they get frustrated and the game simply isn't fun for them, so they enjoy watching people compete. It's literally no different, many sports fans will play a casual game, but could never actually play in a major sports league.

Why do you think that sports video games are super popular with people that like sports?

>>376727228
>to watch elite talent in something you cant do
I'd make a joke about how that must be the reason you watch porn, but we all know you're a pro at sucking cock.

>>376727406
who the fuck wants to play league?

>>376727146
e-sports is professional-tier gaming just like the NFL is professional Football.

>>376726983
If you're watching a game when you could be playing it, then you are a degenerate. Enough said.

>>376726885
I still watch Dota esports occasionally but I don't play it anymore at all.

>>376727228

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS7hkwbKmBM

I mean, if you can do this OP, then you're clearly superior to about 99.9% of the SF playerbase.

I, for one, can't do that, so I'll continue watching others do things like that.

I watch football (soccer) and ice hockey. I dont play them.

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>99% of watchers don't race as well

HOLY FUCK

WHY IS THIS ALLOWED??

>>376727228
Please go play some pro-tier rocket league right now, I'll wait.

>people like seeing people compete in things

wait a minute wtf that crazy click my article

Brood War is the only game I've had fun watching, SC2 is okay but Brood War is more interesting.

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>summer break in college
>family comes to visit
>cousin in 10 years old
>he "likes" vidya
>I have a beefy rig
>he wants to watch Markiplier
>watches him play Prey
>hey, I have Prey and played though it for a few hours
>ask him if he wants to play
>naw, I want to watch Markiplier play it

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?

>>376727764

Why are you responding to an idiot who talks out of their ass and doesn't think before they speak?

>>376727827
markiplier is more entertaining than you

not that hard

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>>376727764

Because it costs $20+ million dollars to set up an F1 team. Meanwhile, Dota and LoL are free.

Take your false equivalence and shove it up your fat ass

>>376727593
Watching games is free.

>>376727124
Well, unlike something like actual sports, you assume some level of physical familiarity with the actual game to really appreciate what's going on. MOBAs are boring as shit to watch if you don't know the game. Counter-Strike is a little more fastpaced, but again, you should still be familiar with the level of strategic thinking that a lot of teams will incorporate on top of raw statistics.

Beyond that, the barrier of entry for anything resembling competitive play is much lower in video games.

In sports, you need the playing field, equipment, etc.

In video games? Dota 2? Counter-Strike? Sure, you may not be playing as well as the pros, but you're playing the same fucking game as them.

Why would people watch shit they don't even know?

Even regular-ass sports are boring as shit if you don't know how it's played.

>>376727928

Not when there is amateur and cheap shit like kart racing to compensate, which most don't do.

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>>376726885
>Maddy Myers

Wew lad
http://www.deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=maddy_myers

>>376727928
The games are free, but there are fees for setting up a e-sports team and entering the tournaments.

>>376726983
>>376727049
>>376727106
>>376727306
>>376727332
>>376727470
>>376727764
>>376727778
>>376727793
Jesus fucking Christ. I knew this board was shit from all of the eceleb garbage. But this is something else. This is YouTube comments tier.

Just go download the fucking game and play it you dumb fucking kids. Zero effort required.

>>376726885
well, do you ever watch sport on tv? do you play all the sports you watch?

>>376727228
>sigh
Please leave

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***************************yawn************************

wake me up when esports makes more money than Amerifat soccer

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>>376728065
Also takes Zero effort to get into Chess, and that's an Olympic sport dum dum.

>>376728083
>>376727827
My 7 year old nephew is the same fucking way all he does is watch fucking Youtube videos.

I swear if I ever have a kid I'm never letting then watch Youtube.

>>376727973
If money is a problem, then buy more of it. Gaming in 2017 is not expensive, at all.

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>>376728065

>Post retarded ""argument""
>Gets wrecked
>Resorts to mass quoting

Pottery. Heres an extra (you)

>>376728012

Amateur car racing leagues in the US will still cost you about $20k in equipment and labor. That's a far cry from a free video game. Stop acting like they're comparable

>>376728152
Damn kids all they do is watch TV.
Damn kids all they do is play video games
Damn kids all they do is watch Youtube

>>376727406
This. Plus having certain physical attributes to compete at the highest level is unavoidable. Not everyone is a 7 ft tall nigger thus not everyone can compete at the highest level, even if they possess everything else needed to.

>>376728065
>ad-hominem

lol come on buddy boot up rocket league and do some pro stuff

>>376728065
Fuck off newfag

>>376726885
>191 million people surveyed reported watching esports “frequently,” and another 194 million reported “occasionally” watching esports streams
Jesus christ that's a lot of people, just how many are involved with fucking esports

>>376728145
>>376728203
>>376728284
>>376728298
>Us gamers man! We're totally on the same level as sports and chess!
Neck yourselves. People like you were laughed off this board just a few years ago.

>>376726885
geeez anon I don't know, I mean who would watch soccer all year but doesn't play it himself

>>376728232
You forgot rock and roll.

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>>376726885
>>376728027
What's the matter Anon, don't like Yuri?

>>376727124
It's surprisingly high.

>>376728323

I'm 30 years old. I never ever watched esports. Am I just old and out of touch? All my friends are also in their late 20's and 30's and don't play vidya at all except old SNES games and mobile shit.

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>>376728343
Now I'm laughing at (you) my man.

>>376726885
Guess what guys I am watching a game be played that I don't play myself.

>>376728343
>Professional chess is better than professional gaming
Why?

>>376728229

Kart racing at your local track doesn't go bellow the lower hundreds, if that. If you go at an actual amateur league in most sports you'll start running into the 4 digits in training/equipment/traveling alone.

I meant recreational which is what this thread is complaining about and you can do it with racing just fine.

>>376728343
They're on the same level of professionalism, everything else is irrelevant.

>>376726885
>191 million people surveyed
lol this didn't happen

>>376727928
Pretty sure buying a football is cheaper than buying a computer and paying for internet. If you really want to go down the accessibility route.

>>376728406

fuck off back to r/kotakuinaction you redditor faggot

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>>376728406
>gg shit

pls no

>>376728450
What percentage of Football viewers actually play football.

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>>376728343

The fact that you rank Chess highly shows how little you actually know about it.

E-Sports is and always will be a cancer on video games ruining any kind of fun and depth in favour of NO FUN ALLOWED shit with every unit, gun, character or what have you playing exactly the same cause it NEEDS TO BE FAIR ;_;!!!

Esport faggots are the worst and gaming would overall be much better without them.

>>376728445
It's the new generation, kids aged 7-20 right now are all into MOBAs and youtubers and crap like that

>>376728470
>Kart racing

Kart racing is a far cry from racing actual cars. Like I said, stop acting like they're comparable

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>>376728521
back to your double-chan containment board neofag

>>376728604
The ONLY big e-sports game where characters are similar is fucking CSGO.
Every other e-sport thing is either a fighting game, a moba or Overwatch. All games with VASTLY different characters.
WHat the fuck are you talking about?

>>376728519
>football is cheaper

Equipment wise, football is cheaper. However, you need a team to play. 11 people on offense and 11 on defense. Plus special teams and backups. An NFL roster of pros is 53 men; college rosters are 85 men.

I play flag football; 7 vs 7 and it's still a pain in the ass to get enough people to play

>>376728628

Aren't you an anal little cunt. My point is that there are tons of sports out there which most watchers don't perform. The Olympics themselves are full of them, do you think people cream themselves over the athletics stuff actually run marathons and shit?

>>376728406
I refuse to believe that writing clickbait allows you to survive for so long.

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>No you don't GET it mom! How is watching people play video games all day any different from dad watching football when he gets home from work? Professional video games are just as legitimate as real sports! I'm gonna become a professional Twitch Entertainer! That'll show you!

> Random trash survey made by trash company that doesn't know how to survey.

That is some click and bait.

>>376727470
>But many people can't play at that level, they get frustrated and the game simply isn't fun for them
The point of watching people who are good is to learn from them and improve, if you give up you're just a casual who deserves to wallow in their own filth. It's essentially a replacement for having a proper community, like a real life fighting game community, where you're bound to meet people much better than you. The people that give up after being trashed are trash and aren't really dedicated to what they're playing, the people that stick it out and still attend knowing they're not among the best improve. Those eople need to learn to apply themselves

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>>376726885
>Kotaku
I miss the days when online gaming sites weren't politicized over every topic.

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>>376728761
I'm talking about e-sport being a cancer on video games with devs trying to force competitive scenes in their games by taking out all the fun stuff in favor of e-sport shit. If you don't know what I'm talking about you're part of the problem and can fuck off.

>>376728761
He wanted to "10 min no rush"

>>376728604
NFL is and always will be a cancer on American Football ruining any kind of fun and depth in favour of NO FUN ALLOWED shit with every player, play, equipment or what have you playing exactly the same cause it NEEDS TO BE FAIR ;_;!!!

NFL faggots are the worst and American Football would overall be much better without them.

>>376728885
>Aren't you an anal little cunt. My point is that there are tons of sports out there which most watchers don't perform

True, but most other sports require a lot of real world time and effort.

In vidya sports, you can order a pizza and sit naked in your chair while downloading the game. They aren't at the same level at all

>>376727228
>>376727239
That's just weird normalfag rationalizations about passing off everything they do as somehow productive and right and everything they don't like as somehow worthless and wrong.
Most people just watch sports because they enjoy it, not because they are admiring talent.
>>376727239 is especially stupid because that's just watching something VS watching something, the only difference is that watching sports is a normalfag thing and he will justify it not matter what.

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>>376728960
Every year that joke gets weaker as E-sports are popping up on sports channels because the legitimacy of a sport is based on how much revenue it generates and not the effort involved to play it.

>>376729054
>when you sperg out so hard with your autism you copy paste the post that triggered you and replace the words with false equivalences
My condolences to your family.

>>376729162
not an argument

>Newzoo speculates that esports live-streams and commentary provide a source of engagement for “lapsed” players who don’t have the skills to keep up with the pros

Skills can be honed with practice, though. Maybe if these casuals spent more time playing instead of watching, they might have a better chance of "keeping up".

>>376729017
>taking out all the fun
How can you have ANY PVP without it being balanced? What would be the point if there were obviously OP shit in the game? Everyone would just pick that thing and most the elements would go unused. Just look at Overwatch when it launched, "competitive" was a joke because only 1/4th of the roster was ever used.
People are competitive by nature so having unbalanced win/lost pvp NEVER works. Sure, MW2 was fun for a couple months, but the horrible balance ruined any and all longevity.

>>376726983
/thread

>>376729054
>B-B-B-B-BUT FOOTBALL
Why do e-sports fags always deflect to real sports? They're not comparable. Are e-sports fags the Nintenbros of video games? The amount of deflection they do is ridiculous.

dota isn't as fun as it used to be but it's still fun to watch

https://newzoo.com/insights/articles/esports-franchises-70-watch-only-one-game-and-42-dont-play/
Here's the original source, has some other strange data as well.
Apparently there are 2.2 BILLION "gamers"

>>376729017
please, esports is the last thing hurting video games

things like player progression and unlockable items are so much worse it's not even a comparison

>>376729017
If you go through most of the popularly-played competitive videogames, you'll find that nearly all of them (Counter-Strike, StarCraft, Street Fighter, Dota 2, League) are aping formulas from 15-20 years ago, and getting outclassed by games which are creating new and better formulas.

>>376729109
The correct argument is that good sports are played with your entire body, with a totality of the skills that we developed in order to survive and carry on our genes, while videogames (outside of some outliers like Dance Dance Revolution) are played with your hands and your brain, and that's it.

The difference in complexity between performing a Shoryuken in Street Fighter and throwing an uppercut in a boxing should be immediately obvious to anyone who has done both.

>>376729292
not an argument

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>>376729231
How do you do, Alt-Right-kun

I play the eSport games I watch but very little, I mean I care, but there's so many games out there to just stick this one game. You don't have to be serious about everything, as long as you played it and understand it I think it's okay to watch without playing.

>>376728343
Video games are not inherently different from Chess and Chess isn't especially complex.
A videogame could be easily be more complex than Chess or Go, so that videogame would be worthy? if you say no then you are retarded.

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>>376726885
>tfw no qt π to watch the vidya with

I wonder what percentage of esports viewers don't play ANY games

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>>376729350
I saw idiots defending this.

Literally a mind of an addict.

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>>376729548
>Video games are not inherently different from Chess and Chess isn't especially complex.
>A videogame could be easily be more complex than Chess or Go, so that videogame would be worthy? if you say no then you are retarded.

>>376729548
Videogames are already more complex than chess. Chess simulates war, and there's an entire genre (RTS) that does it better.

Once you've turned chess into Chessmaster, and then Battle Chess, and then Archon, it's only a matter of time before you turn the board into a battlefield, and make everything move in real-time.

>>376728960
Where is your argument?

>>376729758
Why do you think every post has to be an argument? Life isn't a debate.

>>376727306
So why aren't you a star athlete and enjoying the finer things in life instead of posting dumb comments on a mongolian basket weaving mail correspondence.

>>376729856
yeah huh

>>376729723
>not argument the post
Yes, someone could create a game like Chess or Go but the medium would magically make it dumber.
And I guess Chess on computer is somehow not chess anymore.

>>376729154
Pretty much this. /v/ may not like it, but professional gaming is not only here to stay, but it only threatens to get bigger. I'm just waiting for there it be an ESPN-E that only shows esports.

>>376729984
See >>376729856

>>376729929
Same reason why I'm not a professional anything player. Just because anyone can do it doesn't mean that you can just jump right in and be at a professional level. A concept lost on many.

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>>376726885
>A few weeks ago, I was at a dinner and one of the people present told me that she had stopped going to Mass. My heart sank. Lord knows, there are often good reasons for people to be frustrated with the Church, but, still, the thought of not going to Mass on Sunday is so incomprehensible to me that whenever I hear of someone leaving, I can’t get my mind around it and my emotional response comes to fore. It makes me very sad.

>Sadness may be an appropriate feeling, but it is not a moral, still less an ecclesial, response to this phenomenon. Next week, on March 22 from 3-6 p.m. Catholic University’s Institute for Policy Research & Catholic Studies (where I am currently a visiting fellow) will be sponsoring a symposium on “Lapsed Catholics” to examine this sad phenomenon. The event is co-sponsored by Villanova University’s Center for the Study of Church Management.

>The phrase “lapsed Catholic” is telling. I never him someone talk about a “lapsed Presbyterian” or a “lapsed Methodist.” The word “lapsed” means a falling away, but it does not imply a complete and total severance of a connection. There is a sense, at the very least, that a person can always come back. I raised this point with Professor William Dinges, Professor of Religious Studies at CUA and one of the principal speakers at the symposium. It turns out, he explained to me, that social science surveys confirm the point. If you have a Methodist or a Presbyterian who has not belonged to an active congregation for some years, and you ask that person their religious identity, they say they have none. But, if you ask a Catholic who has not crossed the threshold of a church in many years what their religious identity is, they will say that they are Catholic.

What the fuck is going on? Who watches sermons instead of fucking going to church?

>>376726983

For real. Why do people watch football instead of play it? Let me guess: is it because it's an event that draws the best players from around the country and has them go head-to-head in a massive tournament? Is it because every time a check clears for a player the game isn't brought to a screeching halt to let said player say, "Thanks, Bank of America for clearing my check! Keep watching the NFL for more hit plays! And if you like what you see, be sure to subscribe to NFL Sunday Ticket! Alright, play ball!"

No, it must be something else. I bet they watch football instead of playing because actual effort is required to gather up the other players. Also you need a field. Don't forget about the severe time/weather restrictions: you're probably not going to get a game together at 3am if it's snowing. Most of these popular video games are completely free and can run on the shittiest of computers. The process of finding other players has gotten so lazy that the game matches you up with people for you. Don't have the time or effort to put together a team? No problem, the game will do it for you! And you can always find people to play 24/7.

Obviously the two are the same, right? Perhaps if watching people play a game was simply that: watching them play. But instead it becomes a gauntlet of shout-outs, announcements of subscriptions, and begging for money.

>>376730074
>I can mock you with goofy pictures but I don't need arguments about why you deserve it.

>>376730154
>"Thanks, Bank of America for clearing my check! Keep watching the NFL for more hit plays! And if you like what you see, be sure to subscribe to NFL Sunday Ticket! Alright, play ball!"
This needs to happen.

Watching other people play video games instead of playing video games yourself is dumb, no matter how many times you dumbfucks equate it sports.

>>376730135
catholics hate being catholic but will never say that they aren't catholic

>>376729723
You do know they've already figured out Chess and Go right? They're not respected because people are finding new things about it, they're respected because its nigh impossible for a human to remember all the configurations of a board and performing the best move at that moment. Chess is literally memorization and recall. Go is less so but still.

>>376730154
So what you're saying is that Football is a superior watch because of how inaccessible it is?

>>376730262
What they don't understand is that most people on this board don't give a damn about real sports either.

>>376730154
Don't bother. You're responding to literal children.

>>376730129
If football is just throwing a ball, like anon said, and if anyone can throw a ball, then surely you have all the physical attributes required to become a professional football player.
The problem is, you're just too autistic to actually go out and put yourself on the radar.

>>376730135
Catholics are historically going to consider being catholic as part of their identity while being protestant is more tied to your beliefs in multidenomitonal countries.

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>>376730234
I don't. This is a dumb discussion forum. Not an academic debate environment. Pull your head out of your ass and get some self awareness, kid.

>>376730451
>you are a manchild because you don't agree with me, I only need ad hominem to prove me right.

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>>376726983
>Football
>The same as video games
lmao @ your life

>>376728012
>kart racing
>cheap

Call me when you have to buy a new chassis every season to be competitive, plus slicks for every race.

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>>376726983
>using concussionball as your example
Yeah bro, just go out and play football man

>>376730456
Being able to play something doesnt mean you are a pro at the same time faggot

>>376730603
You know, when you talk with someone about something, they aren't euphoric just because they take it more seriously than you do.
I just find that a bit dishonest, just saying.

>>376730645
No, you're not a manchild. You are a literal child. As in an actual underaged dumb kid who watches ecelebs and desperately wants his dumb loser fatass hobby to be accepted by society. Thankfully you and most of your kid friends in this thread will grow out of it once you hit your 20s.

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>>376731090
Historical irony is of the highest form annon. Good show.

The thing I don't get is why is /v/ so fucking mad about it

Watching DoTA is fun.

Playing DoTA is like ramming nails into your eyes.

>>376731429
One of the reasons this entire board is garbage is because most regulars on this shitchute don't actually play the video games they so adamantly complain about.
Streaming just allows them to watch other people play video games so they can complain about issues with the games even though they really don't know jack shit about them beyond the superficial.

>>376731694
That doesn't explain why /v/ foams at the mouth over esports

>>376726885
>he hasnt watch the southpark episodes about lets plays

those.
those are the reason why.

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>>376730603
>Dude is just a game don't take it seriously

>>376726885
What the fuck is going on? Who watches Soccer instead of fucking playing it?

>>376731774
A combination of envy at successful people, normies infesting their special hobby and the fact that watching other people play video games instead of playing them yourself is legitimately dumb.

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>mfw I'm literally watching a game I don't play while reading this

I don't see what's so strange about watching tournaments for games you've stopped playing.

I mean, who the hell's played counter strike for 20 years without pause?

>>376731774
The community, obviously. It is pure concentrated cancer.

>>376731429
Sportsfags are on blast because their sports are dying to E-Sports. What is blasting their ass is the fact that they are being forced to come to terms that their sport is only relevant because it generates money and has nothing to do with the physical activity involved.

>>376728065
>just go win a major esports tournament, it takes no effort xD

Modern /v/
>defends esports
>defends ecelebs
>hates piracy
What happened?

>>376726885
Like how many people who watch the Superb Owl actually have regular Handegg sessions?

>>376727049
>>376726983
Now this is shitposting.

If you watch games instead of playing them you're a fucking faggot and a half.

>but muh real sports equivalent

Not a valid argument. You already have the only thing you need to play games when you're watching them, a pc. After high school the opportunities to play team sports drop considerably and after college they are nearly non existent outside of rec leagues or your company soft ball team.

>>376727228
Regardless of your stance E-Sports are only going to grow and you'll be dragged into the future kicking and screaming.

>>376732149
Unironically, Reddit happened.

I'm interested in hearing the reasoning for why so many people don't play the games they watch. Video games aren't designed to be just watched. If they aren't fun to play then they are poorly designed.
So why don't they play?

>>376731883
>Who watches divegrass instead of playing it?

Can we all agree that to play any sport casually, even really badly, requires some level of physical fittnes that sitting down and playing a video game?

I think both are entertaining to watch, and both take a lot of dedication to reach the highest level, but lordy one IS far more accessible than the other

>>376732363
>b-b-b-because I can't play at a high level and make a profession out of video games

>>376732149
Reddit and the under 25 crowd.

>>376726885
The only reasonable conclusion we can draw from this is that the viewing numbers are fake. Absolutely no one watches video games they don't play

>>376732149
The world changed while you stagnated.

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>>376731962
>mfw I'm literally watching a game I do play while reading this

There is no more >millennial activity than watching streamers and esports.

Too lazy to go outside, too lazy to even fucking play video games.

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>flipping channels between esports and an nfl game
>literally impossible to tell the difference between the 2 as they are both such impressive displays of athletic skill and stamina

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>>376732542
>This guy actually believes young people are interested in obeying the law when it comes to piracy

The anti-piracy rhetoric is from the oldfags working wagecuck jobs.

>>376726885
i watch F1 Gp and never drove anything remotely close to a formula 1

>>376732882
>playing video games
>athletic skill

>>376726885
WOW
just like IRL sports that overweight beer chugging faggots play too?

yeah, they don't either and its an even HIGHER number, probably closer to 99%

face it, ANY sports people watch, they don't play 9/10 times. like the US playing soccer, OOOPS, I MEAN FUTBOL BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD IS FAGGOTS!

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>>376729548
>Video games are not inherently different from Chess and Chess isn't especially complex.

>>376732363
"game is shit but im kinda interested so i merely watch on second monitor"

Playing lol is boring as fuck but it's okay as a minor distraction on the side. Many streamers are also substituting shitty radio stations.

>>376733021
ok, so show me a football star who could do high tier FPS shit and you show me an esports start who can run X number of yards to a touchdown?

both are shit, but more important
YOU are shit

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>>376727478
underrated roast right here

>>376733545
god i haven't touched lol since 2012
i kinda want to play again, but i feel like i'd get bored. can i sell my account somewhere?

>>376726885
>not doing both at the same time
>2014+3

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>>376733421
>ywn gently caress Tsukahime's tummy with your tongue

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I can understand faggots who watch ESPORTS or other multiplayer game because we have tons of autists who are too scared to que up and play against other people.

What I do not nor will I ever understand is people who watch some faggot play a single player game, doubly so for RPGs and story based games. Your retarded arguments of skill dont even factor here.

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BRO JUST GET OUT THERE AND PLAY FOOTBALL, IT'S EASY

>>376726885

People with jobs who suck and just want to sit back and watch some relatively good plays.

Also posers/SOs who are there but have nfi what they're being made to watch

>>376734414
football is actually interesting to watch though

>>376728113
>http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-02-17-report-esports-revenues-to-hit-usd465m-in-2017

Here you go

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>>376734621
YOU'RE JUST A LAZY CUNT BRO, IT'S CLEARLY THE SAME LEVEL AS PLAYING A GAME

>>376728406
tell me how gamergate doesn't harass people.

League can be mildly entertaining to watch at the highest level but don't expect me to play that garbage myelf

>>376733724
>YOU are shit
>projecting
I wasn't saying high level video game players aren't talented, you retarded monkey.
Playing video games, no matter what skill level, is not athletic.

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>>376726885
>Survey: 90% of /v/'s userbase doesn't play the games they shitpost about

FTFY

>>376733545
>>376735169
I don't get it. If you're going to watch a game, why not watch a game that's exciting and compelling?

>>376735605
If it's a good game im going to play it myself. I only watch shit i wouldn't play myself cause im still curious about it and sometimes want some minor distraction on the side when i do mindnumbing work like cleaning up images with photoshop.

Often it's also a matter of the gameplay being shit but still having a interesting story, why grind yourself when you can just stream it like a movie?

>>376736119
>why grind yourself when you can just stream it line a movie
>why program gameplay elements when you can just make your video game a movie
Congratulations, anon, you are precisely what's wrong with modern video games.

>>376735162
replying is literally harassment

>>376736119
but when you support bad games you're creating revenue for them and they think that you are interested in the game, leading them to make more bad games and stay in business

>>376735605
I mainly watch games I play. I'll tune into LoL because the current Esports ecosystem revolves around it and I find it entertaining at the very highest level

>>376735162
>FBI confirmed the majority of the harassment and bomb threats were made by the people who reported them

>>376736303
Bad gameplay is not my fault. Watching it like a movie gives them no money.

>>376736614
They don't get any money from me just watching someone else finnish the game

>>376727228
>He can't play football with his mates

Are you physically or mentally retarded?

You are probably just an obese piece of shit though

>>376736902
post source or post nudes

>>376737000
>they don't get any money from the increased interest in the game created by you watching streams of said game
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And yes, the more people are interested in watching video games "because the gameplay is boring", the less actual gameplay video games in the future have.

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>There is nothing wrong with watching someone else play videogames, I am watching the highest level of e-athletes compete
>I also watch some faggot play persona 5 on normal on twitch

>>376737276
https://vault.fbi.gov/gamergate

>>376737358
I don't personally see anything wrong with watching someone else play a multiplayer game at a high level in order to become better yourself, but watching someone else play a fucking single player game is so fucking retarded I honestly can't fathom how anyone like that even exists.

I'm the same tbqh but with fighting games.

>>376737535
GTAV is regularly one of the most popular games to watch for some fucking reason

>>376737358
>I also watch some faggot play a movie on twitch
Shouldn't have used a """"""""game"""""" that plays itself as your example.

>>376737278
Interest != money, if everyone just watches they still go down as they got no money. And im still buying the good games.

The issue aren't the watchers, it's the people preordering shit games and buying in every hype. That's why marketing is 40% of a game devs budget.

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>>376726885
i watch dota 2 since 2012 and maybe played about 20 hours before i stopped again

i cant stand mutiplayer games because i dont like playing with random people but i like watching multiplayer games

>>376737918
>he actually thinks internet interest in something doesn't generate revenue in the year 2017
No wonder you're too dumb to actually play video games.

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>Old man yells at cloud
Always faggots looking for shit to complain about.

>>376727531
holy shit i get it now

>>376738290
cute dreamworks cat

>>376728841
go ahead and research what an adult football uniform for one person would run. go generic but don't forget any of the mandatory pads. it's not cheaper than a 5 year old laptop that can easily run most of these games.

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>that guy calling video games a "medium"

>>376727228
>something you can't do
There are peewee football leagues. I'm sure a batch of neckbeards can group up and play a game. Even easier if it's a pussy sport like soccer, baseball, hockey, or volleyball

>>376737278
All admoney and donations go to the streamer. The only exception is tournaments held by the game company where professional teams play. This is the only chance where game companies can directly monetize attention and actually are making millions. Esports is infact starting to change it into team franchises and league systems just like NFL&co. But that's irrelevant while talking about watching someones stream a game on twitch.

>>376726983
fpbp

>>376726885
>Newzoo also found that 70 percent of esports viewers only focused on following one game in particular, with League of Legends raking in the highest share.
We must never forget the nightmare that was /v/ before /vg/

>>376740160
NEW LoL GENERAL, GET IN HERE

>>376727228
>People watch sports to watch elite talent in something you cant do.

You think you're on the level of some top players? For real?

>>376727228

>put together a team of friends
>play some football

Yes that's the same as the NFL

you're a fucking moron.

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>>376737487

>>376726983
well said

>>376730954
that's not football, that's handegg

>itt false equivalence from people who's logic applies more to cuck porn than professional sports

>>376741618
haha why bother having sex when I can just watch my favorite porn star do it for me?
especially if the girl is ugly, i love watching ugly girls get them but would NEVER fuck them myself haha

>>376726885
>all these people equating real athletes and real sports to esport shit like overwatch and LoL

>all these snide comments about how NO DUH LOTS OF PPL WATCH SPORTS AND DONT PLAY DUHRR

>all these implications that fucking csgo or lol requires even 1/100th of the skill of a real sport

The reason people watch football and don't play is because actual football requires years of physical training, learning countless physical strategies, techniques and formations, conferring with and trusting your teammates to carry their weight, all that.

Esports requires no physical training (even a sleep-deprived, bags-under-eyes basement dweller with stick-arms can be good at it), no strict need to rely on teammates to succeed (or else 'carrying' wouldn't be a term), and you don't need to learn any rules.

Watching a couple YT videos of the optimal build of a hero in League is enough for you to know how to hold your own even among high level players.

Esports and real sports are two completely different realms of competition. And probably most damning of all is, absolutely nothing you learn or master in esports is going to help you in real sports, or vice versa. because they are nothing alike, they have nothing in common.

>>376726885
>people obsess about people who play video games don't play video games
who'd a thunk it

>>376729004
This. Everyone wants to be a god but then they can't git gud so they piss and moan instead of practicing

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>>376726983
fpbp

>>376731429

Because this means companies are going to focus more on make games that are going to become "The next big E sport!" instead of making games that are actually fun for people who don't want to play professionally.

It also will spawn more toxic, salty try hards who are going to bitch at you the entire time during your unranked QM because they are so obsesed with trying to become the best they can't take losing or going against pre described meta so communities are going to start out shit and remain shit.

>>376732363

I don't play sports but I like watching them. It's the same with esports or the Olympics, it's fun to watch people play when there are stakes.

>>376742536
That's all fucking irrelevant to why most people watch sports or e-sports, though. The biggest drive for any type of sport is narrative built through competition that is then propagated and popularized by the crowd.

Appreciation for the sport and understanding of it is of course a factor for hardcore fans, but you do not need to be any good at a sport or even knowledgeable about it to be able to get invested in the competition. This is true both for e-sports and regular sports, which makes the whole "they should not even be put on the same level due to the amount of effort involved" argument meaningless.

>>376742536
>Watching a couple YT videos of the optimal build of a hero in League is enough for you to know how to hold your own even among high level players.

This is more true than people understand. Especially when you take those high tier players and put them on a playground where they've had enough practice as you.

2 friends of mine played League of Legends and gave me an account to play with them. We played Twisted Treeline ranked and would commonly get matched against challenger players from 5s solo or 5s team and win.

My first season of the game I finished as Diamond and had my second and last as Challenger ranked.

>>376744154
>where they've had enough practice as you.

but that's the rub there, innit?

>>376742536
>Esports requires no physical training
uhhhh

false

>>376726983
I guarantee that anyone who likes football and watches it have played it at least once in their life.

>>376726885
Ah yes, the esteemed insitution "newzoo." I will trust everything they say because of their storied history of journalistic integrity.

>>376744275
A large part of it, yes. The playing field gets so much more even when you both have knowledge of the champs, but the mp regen/buffs/cooldowns and items change from their standard play.

Mechanic skill, laning, everything else is completely in their favor. But they can still lose out to somebody that just watches youtube videos and reads a guide on what to do first with a champ with ease.

>>376726885
May as well ask why some people post dumb shit they thought of while picking at their asshole on /v/ instead of playing games.

watching esports is just as boring as watching real sports.

>>376732138
Brb, Imma go win 5 million bucks in TI7 real quick.

>>376744723
>But they can still lose out to somebody that just watches youtube videos and reads a guide on what to do first with a champ with ease.

This sounds like some Dunning-Kreuger shit right here.

they can lose perhaps, but it's not gonna be easy.

>>376744582
Well yeah, just about every school has kids playing football during PE after all.

>>376744438
To do what, move your fucking wrists and type fast?

>>376744925
I guarantee you, if three hawkeye vodka drinking Iowa grads can do it (one on a laptop touchpad), you can too. No idea on the whole Dunning-Kreuger thing though.

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>>376726983
Loool actually comparing footy with a fucking shitty online game played by limp wristed dorks? Embarrassing.

>>376745518
fine motor skills

>>376726983
fpbp

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>i can do a hadouken in game so I deserve to have the same degree of respect as a boxer does
LMAOing at you nerds' lives

>>376726885
I just like to watch people compete at things. Doesn't really matter what it is.

>>376726983
/thread

>>376747358
you are retarded

>>376747358
But boxers don't get any respect.

Man, the two things that piss me off about this whole "esports" shit is why call it sports in the first place? It's a bunch of nerds that want to show those bully jocks that they're cool and do sports too. Call it what it is, professional gaming or something, but to call it sports is ridiculous. Secondly, which stems off the first point, if they want it so bad to be like actual sports, why do they promote good sportmanship so much? The amount of shit talk that goes on in actual sports is unreal and it's good for the sport.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JdzbaesdtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwq-rSL3-G0

I mean, imagine if any of these "professional gamers" ever said this during a game to the other team? They would be banned for life. It's a competition, let the competitors have their competitive fire and try and get in the heads of their opponents, but no, the fucking toxic meme has ruined all that shit.

>>376726885
>only 58% play as well as watch
Enormously better than with real sports.

>>376727146
Nobody is equating e-sports with real sports, necessarily, but the principle is the same, you can enjoy watching something hardly ever do yourself.

Almost like TV, except with TV you mostly watch stuff you definitely will never do.

>>376747358
>posts obsolete memes
>thinks he can talk down to anyone

>>376726885
Stopped playing dota when my arm started to hurt whenever i hold a mouse for a long time so now i watch the game on twitch instead

>>376750338
Memes never die.

>>376749624
professional gamers shittalk each other all the time, it's only riot who get mad at people for it (and overwatch but thats not really an esport)

>>376727146
This aint 5 years ago you dumb faggot.

What the fuck is going on? Who watches porn instead of fucking cunts ?

>>376726885
Gee who would've thought

>>376749624
>shit talk doesn't happen in esports

top kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r9nlrlGSK8

>>376751658
I think this might be even dumber than a food analogy

>>376745408
>playing football in pe
>in CURRENT YEAR

i don't even think they play fucking dodgeball anymore