is pic related still the best tales game?

>>376705153
I hope not, because it's the only one I played and it sucked.

>>376705182

It's almost like you think the series is good. It's generic interactive weeb garbage much like persona.

>>376705153
I love this game and I main Natalia bitch,
ANNND I BEAT THE GAME WITH HER AND THAT SUPER SIDE BOSS TOO BOI

>>376705153
no and it never was, symphonia was better at the time and vesperia is the best one now.

I don't know but should I play the 3DS version or the PS2 version?

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>>376705153
nope. the only good thing about it was fucking asshole 4th wall breaking Luke. but they ruined it and made him a super generic JRPG protagonist #92800068945873

>>376707310
4th wall-breaking?

One of the most overrated JRPGs of all time.

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>>376705153
No, Berseria is.

>>376706831
PS2. Emulated preferably.

>>376705295
How can i be tough and coolz like you?

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>>376705153
Abyss is good, but i like Eternia better.
The magic/summon system, the world map, that sub-marine treasure hunt, i can feel the love of the creators.

>>376709060
Any specific reason why?
Also, I'd probably buy it. I don't like emulation.

>>376709151
Youz gotz to growz a black shellz.

>>376710210
>Any specific reason why?
Because handheld versions suck? It's true for any port past ps one.

>>376709427
characters were good too, especially that one guy that just said 'yeah' all game long

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>>376705153
>is pic related still the best tales game?

This is the official tales ranking my guy

Most Tales game appear to be quite good at first, but I have never finished a single one of them. I don't know what it is, but something drains lasting appeal out of them.

>>376710423
>symphonia next to zestiria

lmao you must be either a 70 years old contrarian or a 12 year contrarian

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Not the best. But it's still good.

>>376710508
Symphonia is not fun to play with shit pacing

Zestria is not fun to play with a garbage cast

Both are the same level of shit

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>>376705153
>3DS version

>>376705153
Not on 3ds.

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>>376710708
Citation needed

Is there even a good Tales game? They all seem fuck boring.

>>376710508
Not him but Symphonia is genuinely not a good game unless you grew up with it. I played it for the first time a few years back and I literally had to be bribed with sex to even give the series a second chance afterward.

>>376710923
Some of them have fun gameplay, but the story always suck

>literally every encounter that isn't a boss fight is over in less than four seconds

Great combat system there, game, how about you let me do something with it?

>>376710861
Awful story pacing.
You're locked to a 2D plane during battles while everyone else can move freely.
Spell queue.

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>>376711004
The best story pacing in the series with dungeons that have actual mechanics and puzzles you can go through out of sequence on two semi-open world maps

You probably noticed that you can't round all over the place like in later titles by abusing broken shit like free-run on Abyss or around-step on Graces. Rather, learn to bait an enemy attack and punish them, and the different methods characters have to dodge attack.(Lloyd has Tempest, Regal gets double-jump, some characters can extend their jump by attacking mid-air, etc)

Spell queue indeed sucks, unfortunate hardware limitation

>>376710210
PS2 version
>60 FPS battles
>10 FPS world map

3DS version
>30 FPS battles
>30 FPS world map

Pick your poison.

>>376710976
This.

>>376710313
Um, no? The Vita has a whole bunch of good ports.

>>376711331
Raine and Genis are just fucked though, Genis especially since he can barely jump at all. If they're chased by a physical attacker, their only option is basic attacks, which is fucking stupid.

Spell queue is something that should've been addressed in Chronicles, but of course they just put in the minimal amount of effort and essentially just did a straight port.

>>376705295
But I liked persona, I dropped this game middway

>>376711420
>3DS version
>30 FPS world map
With frequent drops to single digits.

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>>376705153
Vesperia

for some reason I thought Tales games being milked Madden style was a new thing. Because rebirth and legendia went so under the radar I thought they were before Symphonia and Abyss was Symphonia's successor. I began to notice them churning out titles left and right after Graces' release, and saw a drop in quality, especially in the character design. Now I'm realizing the series was always Madden tier yearly iterations. Am I wrong?

>>376705153
Tales II and Tales of Symphonia. The one you posted is especially dull. Didn't play Berseria.

>>376706831
3DS version is pretty good. Go for it.

>good Tales
Abyss
Vesperia (preferably PS3 version)
Symphonia
Phantasia

>okay Tales
Graces
Innocence
Hearts
Berseria
Xillia
Eternia

>shit Tales
Everything else

>>376711873
You should try doing more research. The games used to be developed by two separate in-house teams ("Team Destiny" and "Team Symphonia"), so while they released yearly, they were all distinct and polished. Abyss IS Symphonia's successor - Rebirth was from Team Destiny and Legendia was a literally who third party studio.

>>376711873
Tales is usually annual yes. Granted. ToZ wasn't but well. Yeah

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>>376707310
That's a cute Sakura. Mind if I save it?

>>376710861
Bro that looks slow as fuck. That webm does nothing to impress anyone who's played other tales

>>376712034
>Phantasia
>good

>clunky as fuck controls
>get interrupted every half second by a spell cast
>all bosses can be stunlocked to death, including the final boss
>if you don't stunlock them they will obliterate you since dodging shit is pretty much impossible and even if it were your team is retarded
>plot is very simple, yet still manages to be infuriatingly retarded at parts. Two huge fetch quests pad the game out and make up the biggest part of the game. Main cast is as bland and generic as can be.

Nah.

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>>376712034
>Symphonia
>good

What drugs you taking sir?

I would rather replay Graces with its garbage cast and story than suffer through the boring ass combat Symphonia is.

I'll never know why Symphonia is rated higher than Abyss

Played it for 30 minutes before getting unbearably bored. Glad I pirated it.

>>376705153
that box art is deviantart quality

>>376705153
>3ds version

pure cancer.

vesperia ps3 version will never be top. hurts dosent it?

>>376712546
>What drugs you taking sir?
its called nostalgia.

>>376712147
Why do all the characters look like faggots now? You used to have token faggots like Zelos, but literally everyone is Zelos AMPLIFIED now. It used to look like a spin on Renaissance style with a fantasy tinge. Now it looks like Neptunia trash.

>>376713062
They realized most of the fanbase is female and started pandering to them

>>376705153
Abyss has the best story but in terms of gameplay my favorite is Graces.

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>>376713062
its because Kyosuke Fujishima is the character designer now, and the characters are mostly Ah My Goddess Rejects.

>>376713062
Everything's trash desu.

>>376710423
MOOT

>>376711331
Can Zelos do all the same combos?

>>376713062
Eizen and Rokurou look normal to me.

>>376712779
it's honestly a pretty fucking good port considering the hardware. Only downside is shitty 3ds resolution.

>>376705153
The story is interesting, but I can't bring myself to finish it thanks to the shit overworld meme style and combat.

>>376713575
Fujishima won't work for Tales team anymore, because right after Prince Baba's Conan the Barbarian love letter to miss Komatsu, Aka whole Rose shit he pulled and put Bamco in bad light, Fujishima's knocking still underage Seiyu and having to marry 20years old cutie that bears his child now is seen the same.
There was quite a stir about him leaving earlier this year.

>>376714265
can you explain what the fuck you just said

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>mfw Xillia's concept art
They really failed to recreate this in the game.

>>376714265
>>376714538
Preferably with punctuation a proper grammar. You shouldn't be from a 3rd world country if you're on 4Chan so don't type like you are.

>>376714538
Fujishima got underage girl pregnant, and was forced to marry her.
After outlash Baba got from fans for Zestiria, and his putting in Komatsu-san (Rose) a year before game release, what meant re-recording ALL scenes, changes in plot, animation ect, what cost all the cash team had for polishing the game.
All because he had a boner for her. (there are tweets between them archived)
The game is unpolished turd because of Baba, and they couldn't push release further the year, because Zestiria was 20th anniversary project.

To avoid outlash, Fujishima quit too.
He won't design for new game.
>>376715434

Sorry for grammar. Not my native language.

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>>376715604
oh, so that's why he makes designs for Compile Heart now

>>376710861

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdaWWEo9Hzc

Nice 3D Tales game dweeb

>>376710923

Phantasia and Eternia are amazing, disregard all of the other ones that are in english

>>376716158
I can't unsee Rose when I look at Ai.

>>376714265
English motherfucker, do you speak it?!

>>376705153
Only Tales games I played are Eternia, Symphonia and Abyss, and Abyss is easily the shittiest of them.

Vesperia is the best that I've played, but I've only played a few anyways.

>>376714587
What do you expect? The game was rushed out of the door.

>>376710423
Finally someone with good taste!

>>376717052
Fuck, neither can I.

>>376717683
I've only played Abyss and Graces F and both were absolutely middle of the road experiences. I can't even name 3 characters between the 2 games. I can remember things about them sorta, but not who they actually are.

The 2 games are so formulaic, even with each other, that the entire series is just 1 game remade ad nauseum to me. By the time I got to the beach scene in each game I realized they were like different seasons of a sentai show. Same fucking premise down to a tee, just different actors.

Graces F had okay combat I guess, but by the end of the game when its all reality destroying I honestly didn't remember why it got that way, just that I had to kill the baddie. Abyss has better character interaction, even if I can't remember it, I remember being mildly moved at some snowy town and the cutscene where Abel (?) sees a city destroyed was pretty good.

They are animu games in the worst way. Falling into every terribad anime trope with gusto. I had fun wasting time away with them though. I bought star ocean the last hope international for another mindless grind game but man even the tutorial for the combat made me worried. The game seems terrible. Should I muscle thru that assuming it will be roughly on the same tier of meh as Tales games?

Don't get my post wrong, the games are absolutely mediocre at best, but there is nothing wrong with that.

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>>376718358
>mfw

Tales of the Abyss was a one-hit wonder and it's frankly kind of baffling how every other game in the Tales series has such mediocre writing and characters (but usually good gameplay decent music which saves them from being outright bad).

The lore is initially confusing but interesting and VERY consistent. The political intrigue is fantastic. The characters are the most realistic I've seen in a game. The party dynamic by the end of the game feels so real because it's earned, you truly feel like they all fostered a true sense of camaraderie in the fires of hell. The story is great, the villains are great (the Six God Generals and Van are fantastic), the English translation is of pretty high quality. The game even touches upon some deep themes pretty nicely without feeling hamfisted and in-your-face like most JRPGs do.

There's not a single thing the characters do that doesn't feel like a real person in their shoes wouldn't do. People like to talk about things like 'why didn't Jade just stop it' but he very deliberately touches upon this near the end of the game and regrets his actions, a scene that most detractors of the game seem to have blocked from their memory, among other scenes.

The only real 'flaw' of the game is that it puts so much effort into its world-building that the pacing of the game suffers in the last leg. In Abyss the world is cohesive and each town is important to the plot. There is no village you visit once and never again like in most games. As the world faces different crises (Auldrant sinking, the start of the first war after Natalia is presumed dead, the miasma returning, the appearance of mass replicas) the player generally visits the same towns multiple times and can see how the citizens and world are reacting to the ongoing issues. While great for world-building, fast-traveling back to the same areas constantly can be grating for people who're not sufficiently invested in the game; it'll only piss them off more.

>Awful, gutter tier pacing

>The worst characters in the series with everython except the blonde characters being total dicks to everyone, happily yelling at a literal 7 year old for his screwups because it turned out his mentor and father figure is an emotionless robot while not saying things that could solve a lot of the issues themselves, in some cases being more respobsible for the bad **** than he is and getting away with it because daww shes just a little girl (Luke is younger than Anne or whatever she was called) or well Jade just never gets called out on anything

>villains you constantly stomp during the story with them never seeming to pose any real threat who the characters keep saying are super threatening and do fight us 4 v 1 sometimes but there is never any reason given why they're so strong they can do this. One of them is the clone of a weak little boy and explicitly supposed to be inferior to the original yet fights us with his bare fists 4 v 1 wtf?

>one of the dumbest plot twists in Tales ever, having an incarnation of the power of the planet just fall directly into (literally into) the lap of Vaan the emotionless robot man so he can give us one last fight after getting his ass kicked and falling into a giant pit in the floor. like the 6th time during the story the villains should have absolutely 100% died but just didn't for no real reason

>and on top of all this the gameplay is pretty bad with poor balance both between characters and modes as P. Def scales to absurd amounts as you go up making mages OP as hell and in particular the little girl with basically infinite MP, massive stunlocks, fast casting ungodly OP

It has nothing going for it. In every aspect, story, gameplay and pacing it fails miserably. I regret playing through it thinking it will get better. It gets worse. The only thing it had going for it was Luke calling people out on their BS during the first half but then he trips, falls and drops his spine

>>376718474
How was it not? The only thing I remember that I liked was the not-MC clone guy actually doing some evil stuff and his plan working for a while. But so many jrpgs have the same-as-the-MC-but-evil trope that it was trite even when it happened. Like I said before, the cutscene showing a city getting wrecked and it being Abel's fault and him owning it was the only touching part to me. Then AGAIN, almost all jrpgs have a period where the MC is downtrodden and depressed and wants to give up but his friends help him out of it.

Formulaic down to a fucking tee. Its tropes worthy how many checkboxes it knicked off. If it was wild and amazing to you I'm glad, I had just felt like I had played those sections better in other contemporary jrpgs.

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>>376718634
>The political intrigue is fantastic. The characters are the most realistic I've seen in a game.

>>376718768
The MC is the clone retard. And Asch isn't evil.
>Abel
kek what the fuck are you smoking

>>376718947
I told you I couldnt even remember their names, thats how 'gripping' the games were. Abel is the main dude from Graces F isn't he? the John Travolta dressing motherfucker. I know the replica was a clone, he was just evil to the main guys good. The games from beginning to end are so "color by numbers" in their design I don't know how they have like 30 different games, all being the same.

The games are absolutely middling in every regard. Again, like I said, I'm fine with that being the case. You guys take criticisms to heart too much.

I will concede that the sound/magic thing was kinda cool as a way to explain their magic. But its largely irrelevant. Not to the story, I remember it being integral; to the magic system. Its magic, you don't really have to have a reason for it to work. Its magic.

And to the guy saying that Abyss's worldbuilding was good because every map location was story relevant, that is actually subpar worldbuilding. Not every location needs to revolve around the story, it makes them flat instead of alive, they end up only serving a service to push the story forward. Not be a place that exists within a world. Wow, npc's react to things in the story, welcome to famicom era innovations in gaming.

>>376718634
>(the Six God Generals and Van are fantastic)
They're the most generic mid 00's antagonists I've ever seen this side of organization 13. It's cool how most of them die for basically no reason at all besides "well they're the antagonists and we don't feel like writing them anymore" and their motivation is inherantly stupid because their plan to destroy the score has one of two outcomes

>It's actually possible, meaning the score isn't 100% foolproof and effectively genociding humanity was pointless
>It's not possible, the score can't be avoided and all they did was kill lots of people for no reason

>The only real 'flaw' of the game is that it puts so much effort into its world-building that the pacing of the game suffers in the last leg
And, y'know. The entire cast besides guy being unlikable cunts (b-but they're annoying and bad people that never get properly called out on their bullshit on purpose!). That scene literally right before the final boss where jade is like "oh yeah I made a mistake" doesn't change the fact that for the previous 90% of the game both the character and the writers just sort of act like jade is objectively correct at all times. Or That asch didn't act in the stupidest way possible at all times even though the entire plot could only happen because he didn't just show up to his parents and say he's still alive. Or that tear didn't spend 1 minute explaining all the shit she knows even though she doesn't have the literal autism required to not read social situations that she'd need to not realize how her actions look to the uninformed people she keeps hanging around for some reason. Or fucking everything surrounding ions death that has a half dozen different ways it could've easily been prevented if she just said something to anyone.

>>376718634
>>376719706
Don't forget the completely horrible sidequests where you have to backtrack to completely arbitrary locations at arbitraryly specific parts of the plot multiple times in the game or you can't progress them. Including sidequests that explain the contamination effect AKA the thing that makes the ending make literally any sense

I like how you tried to build up "there is no village you vist once and never again like in most games", something that's literally not true in any tales game released within the last few decades. Yeah it was really awesome and world building when I had to walk all the way into the middle of that stupid town full of gears to talk to a doctor for 10 seconds who said something that luke and tear could say "it's nothing, don't worry about it" to eachother.

There's also the part where abyss just completely fails as a videogame. Free run is broken as shit in this game because it was their first introduction to it. There's not a lot of variety between characters gameplay wise. Basically every mechanic that's about the combat that's not about hitting buttons (CC core/FOF and the like) is poorly thought out and if you play on difficulities above normal the enemy stat scaling is completely broken and physical attacks will do 1 damage against most boss fights unless you're heavily overleveled using grade shop benefits, meaning the strategy for every single one is "kite the boss around using free run while three spellcasters shoot them to death". real fuckin exciting.

Lastly the game is just poorly made from a coding standpoint because it was rushed out to meet the anniversary deadline. game is plagued by bad loading times, weird glitches that can fuck you over and exploits.

>>376719453
The world descends further and further into destruction and each town's NPCs react at the different stages. From things like sinking into the Qliphoth to the mass appearance of replicas to the return of the miasma, the NPCs and game's world leaders always have something to say about the current situation. Returning to the towns makes the world more cohesive. There's no small village you visit once and never again. This is good world building. There's moments in the story like (actual example) 'we have to make the world ease into the Qliphoth, but before you do, you need to ask the world leaders. Fly back to Grand Chokmah and Baticul!' From a story standpoint, that's absolutely fucking necessary and contributes a LOT to the atmosphere. Yeah, why the fuck WOULDN'T a bunch of mostly teenagers not ask the monarchs of the world for help on how to tackle the apocalypse? Again this contributes to world-building, you don't just have kids saving the world completely on their own whims like in other JRPGs.

>>376719823
except exactly what you described happens in the team symphonia games right before and after it (symphonia and vesperia), except those games don't forget to be enjoyable like abyss constantly does

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>>376705153
Didn't read the thread because it'll be the same plebeian taste.

Just dropped in to say Tales of the Abyss is absolute pure JRPG ludo, I was blown away by the quality of the writing, world-building and characters and I say this completely seriously. I have played dozens of JRPGs from Suikoden to Breath of Fire to Mother to Nocturne and none of them have captured me in the way TotA did.

It's also the only great Tales game, the other games in the series are decent at best.

>>376720149
every single 2D tales game is garbage. they're either limited as fuck wolfteam/symphonia games or they're MUH COMBOS team destiny games that feel like playing a fighting game in training mode

dunno what makes legendia "hard to place" when when the story, gameplay, world and every character besides chloe is so terrible. genuinely great music can only go so far

>>376720352
This.

>Yoshizumi (Abyss producer): Right. This may just be my own peculiar self-consciousness, but if that's all games are, then people will make fun of them. Even children enjoy more complex worldviews in movies and books, but if video games simply do the expected, what's the point? So I made everyone have their own way of thinking, like by making a weird protagonist or a party in which no one is a good person. (laughs)

>>376720352
Explain why anise couldn't ask any of her friends, literally all of who are either themselves very rich or are direct friends with the leaders of the world, to buy out her parents so she didn't have to murder ion

Luke can receive shitloads of money from his parents to buy martial arts books but nobody thinks to spend this windfall on actual important things more than once.

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>>376719823
No you end up with a story of political leaders ceding their power and responsibilities to a group of kids, who can save the world alone without their need, and it working. I don't care how much you rationalize that as good worldbuilding, it isn't. The suspension of disbelief flies out the fucking window when this demigod destroying group of children decides they need UN approval to continue what they were doing. Yeah it makes a modicum of sense until you realize they literally don't need to do it. They are powerful enough that had the villains and their villainy not happened, they themselves could have taken the world over. Too bad they are all so pure of heart to do so, right?

You don't understand what world building entails if you think that each town being story centric in its nature is a good thing. A good world will have people or places that don't care about the happenings outside their little hamlet, no matter how dire. Their worldbuilding is half baked. Its half baked with the things you like, but still half baked.

FF9 did the things you are talking about better. So much better that, yes, I can say Abyss does it poorly by comparison. It also had the decency not to have the party stop and go vacation on the beach in their adorable swim wear as the world collapses around them.

>>376720541
and they let Luke be retarded for what, 10 years?

>>376720541
The money was just an excuse as they lived at Daath and were under Mohs' thumb. As seen in the story, the politically-neutral Daath and its army (the Order of Lorelei) weren't swayed by the influence of the aristocrats of Kimlasca or Malkuth.

No amount of money would stop Mohs from threatening her when she stopped being useful to him.

>>376720512
except abyss is one of the most childish games in the entire tales series. symphonia was a way better 'deconstruction' of the concept of a chosen jrpg hero and did the "killing is bad but I have to do it" stuff in abyss with way more sublty. vesperia did the morally ambigious badguy and environmentalism plot with a cast or morally grey characters way better because they didn't go so far up their own ass with their moral that they forgot to make an enjoyable game and cast/setting

meanwhile abyss has a fucking evil sentai squad of parallel-to-the-heros as it's main antagonists who all die for extremely contrived reasons at the end, pikachu following you around the entire game and the worst romantic plot tumor in a jrpg this side of FF8. The game is extremely childish and it's attempts to be Serious feel like a 13 year old posturing around on deviantart

>>376720149
I am playing Tales of Hearts and it's pretty boring, is the second half of the game better?

>>376705153
Nah, Gf and X2 are my favorites.

>>376710923
They all start off as cliche storms, but once you reach the halfway point, they turn into crippling and harsh deconstructions. Cutscenes tend to have very little animation.

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>>376720620
>>A good world will have people or places that don't care about the happenings outside their little hamlet, no matter how dire.

>NPCs should NOT react to the world suddenly and violently ending with the planet splitting ope and their hometwons being swallowed into a poisonous crust

>>376720859
Ok, then how about they just take them and leave, give them assylum somewhere else.

Literally who's going to stop them? Don't say they couldn't do it given that they essentially infiltrate the entire main army HQ of daath multiple times before anise ends up betraying everyone and poltically their group includes BOTH people next in line for kimlasca and the no-homo-bro of the king of malkuth (who's a super chill guy)

While I'm asking questions about anise. How come she just sort of murders arreietta in cold blood when she's obviously driven mad with grief over a misunderstanding and nobody mentions it ever again? Are we supposed to believe that the characters are all sociopaths, even luke and natallia?

>>376720149
>innocence
>good

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>>376721104
>mfw one of the party members in Symphonia lets you kill him, effectively committing suicide, because he hated being the JRPG 'chosen one' that badly
How did this series gain a reputation of being cliched? They're clearly deconstructions

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>>376705153
No heh.

>>376706356
Natalia is fun to play, archery combos all the way

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>>376721290
delete this, i cried for this faggot's death

>Abyss has good writing

>Asch could've stopped the whole plot at any point before it even started if he just showed up to his parents and said "hey", doesn't because of the extremely contrived reason of him being too angtsy (so instead he's going to vaguely help out the main who ruined his entire life instead of doing everything he can to fuck him over, going completely against his character of angry as hell)
>Asch dies basically because he has too and because luke takes his sword right before he runs off to fight some knights and doesn't give him one back in return (this scene is also a good example of how much of a writers pet jade is. because when natallia realizes asch is dead she gets upset for literally like one second and then jade slaps her and tells her to stop being such a woman, because people can't ever grieve for things that happen unless you're jade who is so upset about people he cares for dying that he created a bonus boss)
>Entire ending scene requires you to know what the contamination effect is, something that in turn requires you to do an obscure chain of sidequests that you can permanantly miss if you don't backtrack at one point for no reason at all and then do a bunch of other sidequests first

don't get me started on how half the cast has literally no reason to trust van but they just sort of let him act unopposed anyway so they could get the obligatory "end of first disk SHOCKING SWERVE" out of the way

I'm partial to Tales of Xillia,

>>376720620
>who can save the world alone without their need

They actually get external help at multiple points through the plot.

>The suspension of disbelief flies out the fucking window when this demigod destroying group of children decides they need UN approval to continue what they were doing

It's about letting them know what's going on rather than letting everyone descend into mass hysteria as the world visibly falls apart for no apparent reason. Also when you're taking decisions that could change the fate of the entire planet, it just might help to listen to other's viewpoints on the matter.

>Too bad they are all so pure of heart to do so, right?

Is it really so hard for you to believe that selfless people could exist?

>>376721290
what was his fucking problem again? something about how his mom died? all I remember is that him being a womanizer was at least partially because he was encouraged to spread the mana lineage around as much as possible to potentially make collette happen in his world

>>376721290
Because they start off cliched. For example, Xillia starts off with the hero following the heroine simply because she was there at the time and he fell in love. Cliche as fuck. After she dies, he realizes he has absolutely nothing to live for because his only reason to live just died and he falls into a deep state of depression. Deconstruction.

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>MAGIKAZAM

What did she mean by this?

>>376705295

this is probably bait but i unironically agree with it

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Tales of Berseria 2: Song of the Dragon is the best Tales game.

Graces F has the best combat system and Phantasia is the best one all-around

>>376721828
why do you keep pretending that abyss is unique in this regard when even the tales games made by the same people right before and after it had the exact same thing, except without the second half of the game just being traveling around to old locations and talking to a single NPC inside

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>>376722113
The Eizen x Edna skits were the best!

>>376715604
That's not what happened.
>After outlash Baba got from fans for Zestiria, and his putting in Komatsu-san (Rose) a year before game release, what meant re-recording ALL scenes, changes in plot, animation ect, what cost all the cash team had for polishing the game.
The plot was changed because 1 team was developing two games at the same time and Berseria was mostly done, Zestiria was not. But Baba in in infinite wisdom not only didn't tell other parts of Bamco what the plot was for Zestiria but he also forced Zestiria out the door when they were still implementing cutscenes and fixing game mechanics

Then a bunch of waifufags got upset that their waifu was just an extra and made up a conspiracy theory.

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>>376722217
So glad they added Character Quests again. Edna's were really heart-wrenching.

>>376722115
>Graces F has the best combat system
>Mash 2 win gameplay like every CC system game
>quick step makes you untouchable even if you don't time it properly
>needlssly complex system for upgrading gear and leveling up characters
>horrible AI on both sides. your party members don't understand the combat system at all and will never effectively dodge hits (making hard mode and above, something the game heavily encourages you to play on, effectively a solo experience because they die way too fast) and the enemy AI will usually target whoever is in the P1 spot to the exclusuion of everyone else, even if this means the entire mass of monsters chasing you around the screen and ignoring the rest (this makes playing as a caster a real pain in the ass, because you can't properly meat shield like in every other game in the series)

the whole concept of characters having two fighting styles is really lame too, because it really only applies to asbel and to a lesser extent pascal. for everyone else it's the exact same A button basic attack B button special attack as most tales games, except the A button attacks are fancy looking and use MP as well

>>376722135
>keep pretending

Literally first time even indirectly mentioning Abyss in this thread m8.

>even the tales games made by the same people right before and after it had the exact same thing

Yes, and?

>except without the second half of the game just being traveling around to old locations and talking to a single NPC inside

Good, what does that have to do with the plot points you didn't like and to which I replied?

>>376721602
Asch is a selfish dick, that's why the plot happens, I remember Abyss's guidebook the interviewer even pointed out that Asch was shit.

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"Deconstruction" is probably the easiest way for someone's opinion to be swiftly disregarded

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>>376722425
This post was a pretty mediocre deconstruction of the shitposting genre. I would recommend refraining from posting sequels.

>>376722405
except he doesn't act like a selfish dick. if he was truly selfish he would act towards the two things he wants (his family/old life back and to fuck over van) to the exclusive of all things

instead he doesn't do that for some wierd sense of guilt/self pity and ends up helping out lukes group to the point of giving up his life

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I'm currently going through my first Tales of game, the SFC version of Tales of Phantasia. Which is the best version? I heard that the GBA has a lot more content, but the translation is horrible. I was going to try the PS1 version, but the DeJap translation was very highly recommended so I went the that one. I'm enjoying it so far, the writing is much better than Final Fantasy.

>>376722360
>horrible AI on both sides

And this is good AI?>>376711331

Enemy is so dumb he's just a damage sponge that doesn't react

>>376722549
I thought I remember wanting to play the PSX version before, but my "emulation" age was already over by that point, so I never got around to it.

>>376722550
1: a game that came out almost a decade earlier having bad AI doesn't protect graces at all

2: "damage sponge that doesn't react" is complaint that's just as valid in graces if not way more because of how much easier it is to do long combos in that game. that symphonia webm requires an end game setup while in graces the only thing that prevents combos for literally being infinite is CC cap (which refills in seconds) and a combo breaking mechanic most enemies don't have

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>>376722549
>the DeJap translation was very highly recommended

Hehehheheehe

>>376722512
Yes he was a selfish prick, let me remind you that Asch even admits that he would have been a-okay with going along with Van's plan to murder everyone in the world, and only decided to go against him because he found out that Van was planning to replace everyone with Replica's and that ticked his autism.

Let's not also forget that after Asch has Luke kidnapped and forces Luke to open his fon slots for him, his first act is to try to force Luke to kill Tear. Not only that but Asch being a dick to Luke and trying to force Luke to set off a hyper resonance on the ship in the whole reason why Van even had the chance to hypnotize Luke.

Asch then gets the chance multiple times to take back his life and reveal Van but he always refuses to because, "the replica took his place", even though he doesn't want it and never fought for it.

Asch is a selfish dick anon.

>>376722737
>game that came out almost a decade earlier having bad AI

Games in that gen didn't have shit AI

> that symphonia webm requires an end game setup

No it doesn't, that was clearly a problem with how the enemy is programmed to react, the attacks was slow as fuck for him to have enough time to react to those hits, just took them all in like a sponge.

>>376722772
Please explain anon. I have never played a Tales of game before so I figured I'd try the first one. I was told the GBA official version actually translated the word Ragnarok to Kangaroo. What's wrong with the DeJap translation?

>>376711004
I beg to differ. I've never replayed a game more than Symphonia, and that's because the story is such a well rounded rollarcoaster of antagonists, twists, and character development. Out of every tales game none give the sense of adventure that it does

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>>376705153
>3D Tales
>best
Here's the actual best.

>>376722772
Also worth noting my progress, I just got Arche in my party.

>>376722340
The shit in Zestiria's guidebook makes me pissed that the game was unfinished.

Edna's entire character was really about her understanding the fact that her brother lived his life to the fullest and wanted on his own terms, and then letting go of him, and then she herself traveling the world and finding out what her brother was so fascinated by it and by humans.

>>376710976
Absolutely agree. Symphonia was my first Tales game, and because I rarely got new games I logged over 400+ hours and 7+ playthroughs. Despite all that, it's definitely on the low end in my list of favorite Tales games.

Call me contrarian if you want, buy my top 3 actually goes Graces F>Abyss>Vesperia.

I've never had more fun in combat than in a Tales game than Graces F. And even though the story was cheesy, the characters and skits were very charming.

>>376723106
>ps1
>good

>>376723014
The DeJap translation isn't that good, but it reached meme status due to a particular scene. IIRC it's pretty early in the game, the first time you get on a boat, if you want to see it yourself. Otherwise, actual best version is fantranslated PSX, GBA is ass.

>>376722772
I get it now. I just got to it. Jesus Christ.

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>>376705153
Does the 3DS version have anything new?

>>376723642
No.

>>376705153
>Voice acting that made me want to neck myself
>Sci-Fi gibberish repeated in every cutscene until I actually got a headache

Muh phonons, muh score, etc. Holy shit this game was annoying.

>>376723841
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horoscope

>>376723841
Oh and some of the backgrounds look amazing in 3D. It's actually the best looking 3DS game I've played, but that couldn't save it.

>>376723360
Should I quit while I'm ahead and go PS1, or just finish what I started? I don't hate it, but I think the PS1 version has more stuff right? Like an extra character?

So apparently Tales of Asteria's next chapter will have Velvet v. Millia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-2eIeOpzos

>>376705153
Can I play it if I've never played this series?

>>376724572
There's an optional recruitable character though I don't know if that's also on the SNES version. Honestly just restart, you're not that far in yet.

>>376725125
They are all separated entries, like Final Fantasy
Common theme is them all being characters being very cliche-y, personality stereotypes and the bad guys all have good reasons for doing bad things