Only one can continue

They're fucking cancer and should kill themselves.

I had more fun with Automata than MGS V

>>376621881
This. MGSV became a chore halfway through.

>kojimber vs literally who
???

>>376621305
>Unfinished movies vs games
Hmmm, Quite the hard choice isnt?

>>376621305

Its interesting, they tried the same thing with mixing gameplay and storytelling the right way, but Kojima got high on the attention and is still high as fuck on it, while Taro is the exact opposite and seems more likely to stop making games because of his first big success.

They're both going to continue and you imbeciles are going to buy their games.

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>man who loves movies
vs
>man who loves games

Taro no question.

Make it the one that still makes good games.

>>376621305
I've only played one of Taros games and I'm glad I haven't spent more money or time playing them. I feel the only reason people here praise him so much is because he always puts on a ride of muh feels and muh pseudo intellectual philosophy writing in an anime plotline. I played Automata and holy god was it mediocre throughout. The man has cool concepts and occasionally good writing too, but he can't design a game to save his fucking life.

>>376622329
/thread

Taro because he can.

>Sony gets sick of Kojima's shit and takes what's finished to market again

Taro:
>yo square i'm going to make another highly unprofitable game with some niche elements
>....okay

>>376621305
>overrated, pretentious hacks
Neither.
Focus on gameplay since neither of you can write

>>376623335
Taro can't design gameplay either.

>>376623489
Good thing Platinum can

>>376621305
Kojimas games has become increasingly worse with every installment

Taros game has become better with every installment

>>376623326
I'm genuinely amazed Taro is still allowed to make games with Square Enix, considering they just pulled away from IO because Hitman didn't do that well

>>376621305
One man is humble, goofy, and eccentric and makes great games with the budget of two Kirins and a Commodore 64.

The other is a pompous asshat that makes movie games in hopes that his favorite actors notice him and he gets paid millions of dollars to do that shit.

Kojima hasn't made a good game since MGS 3, after they kicked out Tomokazu Fukushima.

Taro on the other hand, has been thrust into the limelight because he's a genuinely interesting and likable person who makes quirky games that are still games, perhaps even to a fault (with the multiple playthrough thing).

>>376623638
Taro's a man, not a studio thats why.

>>376621305
>Kojima usually makes good games
>last game was trash
>Taro usually makes shit games (even acknowledges them as shit himself)
>last game was GOTY 2017
Conclusion: Kojima is a hack and Taro has finally figured out how to make good games through trial and error. I think we can expect good things from Taro in the future and Death Stranding will be the final nail in Kojimas coffin.

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>>376621305
This cannot continue.

>>376621305
Hideo or Kojima tho?

>>376623838
epic! xD

Kojima hasn't made a good game in like 10 years. Fuck him.

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>>376623779
>usually makes good games
>Peace Walker, MGS4, MGSV
>Kojima USED to make good games
FTFY

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>>376621305
Yoko Taro has best girls.

>>376623638

Taro has connections. The only reason his games got funded was because Wada was a big fan of his stuff apparently. Either that, or he's got dirt on them.

>>376623779
>Taro has finally figured out how to make good games through trial and error
Or by just latching himself onto a developer who actually knows how to make a good game.

>>376621305
Both are hacks in a way but at least Kojima makes fun games to go along with it.

>>376621305
Kojima doesn't even want to make video games, so he can go away.

>>376622329
Pretty much this.

>>376623586

>DoD2 better than DoD1
>MGS3 worst than MGS1 and 2

>>376622171
"games"

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>>376621305
I miss Swery.

>>376622036
Same. Only MGS I didn't finish because I just stopped caring.

>>376624118
>MGS V
>fun

>>376624171
Taro didn't work on DoD2, dummy

>>376622329
>man who makes games with good gameplay
vs
>man who makes games with atrocious gameplay

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>>376624192
D4 season two when?

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>>376621305
Taro, I am not a big fan of his, but at least he is an actual game maker and not a frustrated movie director.

>>376624362
Taro has literally never made a good game though

>>376624282
>man who makes games with gameplay
Atrocious games must distract people from gaming for the sake of children.
Taro is right here.

>>376621305
if it was 2 years ago Id say Kojima but ask me today and I would say Taro

Taro is just more consistent even with each game being made by a new studio

Kojima by himself shits the bed every time and the only good games had that other guy helping revise shit or whatever

>>376623326
>>376623638
>>376624067
>anothe tarofags trying to pretend Taro never went through shit and was handed games to his lap

Yeah let's forget his games flopping, his studio dying because of flops, him being unemployed for a while and then Square turning down a sequel unless they find a better dev.

Keep trying to pretend he snapped fingers and was some arrogant faggot, literally would be fucked if he had no connections

>>376621305
kojima makes far better gameplay which is the only thing that matters

that being said both are hacks today

also taro was never good

people who praise him have stockholm syndrome from actually finishing drakengards

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Miyazaki > those hacks

>>376624401
Anon never said anything about them being good.

>>376624523
MGS games have good gameplay, even the worst ones.
The only Taro game with semi-decent gameplay (and that's a stretch) had its gameplay made by other people.

>>376624027
>Peace Walker, MGS4, MGSV
Clearly you never played anything made by Yoko Taro if you think that his games have better gameplay than those.

>>376624649
I have thousands more hours in the Souls series than any Metal Gear or Taro game and I would still pick Taro

>>376624116
It wasnt the gameplay that made Automata popular but the writing.

>>376624646
>people who praise him have only played nier: automata
ftfy

>>376624872
This, most of his games are unplayable shit which Taro blames on everybody except himself.
Automata was like a dumbed down Bayo with a somehow stupider story.

I'm really getting sick of Kojima's diva act. He burns through funds hiring Hollywood talent and making abstract trailers gone with no actual gameplay to show and I'm starting to see why Konami dropped him.

>>376624747
I like Kojima from first metal gear on 8 bit. But Taro makes a better stories.
Story>gameplay.

>>376623335
All of the MGS games have had pretty good gameplay for their time. MGSV obviously is the weakest in terms of level design and variety, but it wouldn't be fair to not make mention of how it has the smoothest and most responsive controls so far and overall just feels great control-wise. The same goes for Nier Automata, with great action controls and movesets out of the gate, however pretty much let down entirely by enemy designs that don't fit with the playstyle the game goes for, and shitty balancing that makes it unfun for anyone who wants a hard but fair challenge.

Neither of them think gameplay is unimportant, in fact it was a huge priority for Kojima in his games that the gameplay remains fun and that is not sacrificed. Taro I think has mostly been held back by shit tier budgets with amateur dev teams. Drakengard and Nier could definitely have been a blast if the gameplay was fleshed out more, but SE has just never been good at this shit. With Nier at least, while he couldn't make awesome combat, he did his best to keep the game fresh and interesting by mixing so many genres into it. As for Platinum and Nier:A, the controls are fantastic and lightyears ahead of Drakengard and Nier, the only problem is the enemy designs don't really fit with the playstyle, and the balancing is just awful which makes it unfun for anyone who wants a hard but fair challenge, and it's really only because of those things that it wasn't the ARPG with DMC/Bayo combat that would have taken action games and RPGs to a new level.

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The brown man.

>>376624872
nier automata is a low tier platinum juggler

>>376625202
strangely enough I enjoyed automata more than bayonetta

>>376625119
>Story>gameplay
Why not just read a book then.
Enduring hours of painful gameplay isn't worth it.

>>376625078
If Death Stranding is good, he'll be hailed as a genius.
If it sucks, he will still be hailed as a genius.

>>376624771
I have to second this. Bloodborne is by far a way more polished and complete game with much more solid gameplay, but Taro as a director just has such interesting ideas. As long as he has a decent budget and a team that knows how to make fun gameplay, the sky's the limit for this man.

>>376624747
Automata has better gameplay than all three of those

>>376625297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDZ20yqw18E
No, look tetris has gameplay, but kids like Battletoads and Double dragon for story and ost.
Gameplay with a story it's like life.

>>376625428
Automata is a button masher with no depth or strategy.

>>376625323
Isn't that great?
Fuck this industry so hard

>>376625498
Double Dragon has good gameplay.

>past
Kojima
>future
Taro

>implying they won't team up for Death Stranding

>>376625683
>implying they wouldn't destroy each other

>>376625628
It's boring to punching everyone too long.

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Taro, of course.

One of them is a literally who

>>376625775
I wonder if the haircut of the VA of 9S is actually his regular haircut. He could pass as both 9S and Kaneki.

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>>376625775
It's like a Where's Waldo picture.

>>376625297
Because a book story and video game story are completely different kinds of experiences.

>hurr book stories are universally better than video games
Just fucking kys yourself.

>>376621305
Taro since Kojima apologists are the worst kind of people who suffer with Stockholm syndrome ever since MGSV release.

>>376625253
bayonetta is also a low tier platinum juggler with horrible pacing but fortunately withot taro's 'narrative'

>>376625557
I kind of hope it's good just because I like playing good games and I've had fun playing Kojima's games in the past.
Not gonna lie, it makes me worry a bit that the Konami white coats aren't there to reign in his auteur bullshit.

>>376621305
Nier actually delivered on the "chapter 2" stinger, in MGSV all you got was disappointment and EXTREME missions

>>376626034

Regardless of how much of a disappointment MGSV is, the gameplay is still VASTLY superior than any Taro game besides for Nier Automata, only because he didn't fucking design the gameplay for that.

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>tfw you lived long enough for taro to be regarded as being more than Kojima's autistic little brother
feels good desu

>>376626082
name one (1) high-tier platinum juggler

>>376621305
Well Kojima can make games whenever he wants with a bigger budget than anyone in Japan.

The other guy has to go around and beg a studio to let him work for them.

>>376626026
>Because a book story and video game story are completely different kinds of experiences
True and in video games the experience is good if both story and gameplay are good and work well together. Try Drakengard 3 and tell me if they do.

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>>376621305
Leave videogames to me

>>376626220
dmc 4
dmc 3
god hand

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>>376625927
He seems to be a really chill guy who was a fan of Taro for years and played in Drakengard back when it was released.
He's really good as 9S given how much 9S resembles Kaneki both in terms of looks and personality.

>>376626267
Not him but here's a comprehensive list of all of Taro's games that weren't unplayable shit:

Nier: Automata

/list

>>376626330
I'd rather leave character design and ost to him.

>>376626464
He can do anything and everything

yoko taro

>>376626330
gosh he's so handsome...
ok i think ill give him a shot

>>376626412
That's 1 more than anything Kojima has made in the past decade.

>>376626680
MGSV was fun as fuck to run around in the world and mess with all the enemies with a shitload of weapons and tools at your disposable.
It's just that everything that was not that was awful.

>>376626680
MGS4 came out in '08.

Also, why does Nier Tomato count as a Taro game, but MGR doesn't count as a Kojima game?

>>376626334
none of those are platinum games though

>>376627159
MGR wasn't directed by Kojima
A Tomato was directed by Taro

>>376621305
Kojima made a shitload of good games, including stuff like Boktai and Zone of the Enders. Taro literally made one good but still heavily flawed game.

>>376626267
Haven't played Drakengard 3. I know it's an abysmal game, but here's the thing, Taro is not a conventional writer. He's experimental, he wants to do new things, he wants to think outside of the box and go for ideas that are kind of in a grayzone between what you can or can't do, both in writing and game design. If you are even remotely interested in unique and original experiences, then Taro is someone to be interested in too. That's the whole reason for his cult following. Drakengard 1 and Nier both had sub-par to mediocre gameplay, but they are strange and unique as fuck, and that's what people love about them. I can't speak for D3, I have no idea if it has interesting themes or whatever, but one failure is not a good reason to disregard all of his work. Failures are something that can happen when being experimental, that's why big publishers don't invest in them and keep churning out call of duty 15 or cinematic movie experience 21 and so on. Taro is helping keep video games alive.

>>376627159
Because Taro still directed Nier:A while Kojima didn't have anything at all to do with MGR aside from looking at the story and saying "yeah sure go ahead".

>>376627315
and clover is different from platinum how?

>>376627514
>Because Taro still directed Nier:A
But his direction actively hurt the game, and he didn't design the base gameplay.

>>376627159
>MGS 4
>Playable
It had one section of gameplay and that was a flashback to Shadow Moses the rest of the 'game' was 30 minute long cutscenes of shitty Kojima writing.

>Also, why does Nier Tomato count as a Taro game, but MGR doesn't count as a Kojima game?
Because Kojima wasn't there to fuck it up and surprisingly it was one of the best MGS games since 3.

>>376627669
>It had one section of gameplay
>what are Acts 1 and 2

>the rest of the 'game' was 30 minute long cutscenes of shitty Kojima writing.
Will never understand why skipping cutscenes triggers /v/ so much.

Also, MGSV had great gameplay, it just lacked interior environments, standard humanoid bosses other than Quiet and the simming was shit.

>>376621305
Kojima has clearly passed his peak, metal gear solid hasn't really been good since 3.

>>376627642
>his direction actively hurt the game
I'm pretty sure you're retarded, but go ahead and explain. I'm also pretty sure that you don't know how much he influenced the gameplay, and I'd personally say he probably influenced it quite a bit more than you'd think.

>>376621305
Does the answer "Yoko Taro" even count when it comes from /v/? He makes waifu pandering games and said in an interview that he does so because he loves women. There will be always an extreme bias on /v/, any answer on here is meaningless since it's devoid of any objectivity.

It's like opening the argument about which religion is better in a christian church.

>>376627882
>>376627882
MGS V also lacked a finished story that wasn't rushed by Kojima for the third time in a row.

MGS should have stopped a while ago.

>>376628016
>I'm pretty sure you're retarded, but go ahead and explain.
Ok.
>shitty shmups
>shit checkpoints
>crippled sections
>shitboxes galore
>everything and its grandmother is resistant to hitstun
>only five weapon types with small movesets
>minimum timer on some boss fights
>unskippable dialogue before/during some boss fights
>failing to pick up your body is permanent chip loss
>is either joke easy or bad joke hard because the retard doesn't know how to balance healing in an action game
>melee becomes fairly pointless later on
>Route B is a waste of time
>only way to delevel and experience the earlier chapters again in Chapter Select without everything exploding from a finger poke is locked behind DLC
>level layout is designed around gimping you out of upgrades
>doesn't make use of the enemy variety he has

>I'd personally say he probably influenced it quite a bit more than you'd think.
Which is probably why its below Platinum standards in so many aspects.

As a (former) MGS fan, I'll take Taro over Kojima any day. After 4 I can't understand how anyone expected anything of V.

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>>376627514
basically this

true taro fans enjoy his games for somewhat different reasons than most would enjoy a game

>>376621305
Kojima appears to be more interested in Hollywood than in video games nowadays, so Taro.

>>376629052
Because they're idiots that read into his shit writing too much?

>>376629465
We're talking about Taro, not Kojima.

>>376628847
I see that you are a gameplay purist and the meaning behind any of his questionable design choices are completely lost on you. And quite a few of these are more the result of a lack of time / budget than anything Taro could control.

>Which is probably why its below Platinum standards in so many aspects.
Yeah you could say that in some ways it is, but in others it is far above anything Platinum could have done on their own.

>>376622329
this guy gets it
close the thread

>>376629465

try using some critical thinking

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>>376622329
>man who idolizes gays
vs
>man who idolizes lesbians

>>376629557
I know. Kojima makes games with good gameplay, Taro doesn't.

>>376629717
But then the stories are even shittier.

>>376629781
>lesbians
You are meant a prostitutes?

>>376629465
>>376629865
The irony is palpable.

>>376624192
He needs to lay off booze. He doesn't have time to make games in his new studio, since all the time he just drinks and work as a monk.
By the way:
https://youtu.be/u4TRXSfaIHM

>>376629865

no one ever praises the stories as being particularly deep or philosophical. the experimental parts are the characters, and how they react to the craziness around them. yoko taro does this better than anyone else in the business

>>376625151
They need a fresh start with Yakuza. It's getting stale.

>>376629465
>they're idiots that read into his shit writing too much?
That's literally Kojima fans. You people are convinced he's some sort of master ruseman.

>>376629619
>the meaning behind any of his questionable design choices are completely lost on you
There's nothing 'questionable' about them, they're outright bad, and the meaning behind that is Taro is a hack.

>And quite a few of these are more the result of a lack of time / budget
Riddle me this Anon, if he lacked resources, then why did he devote resources to making an entirely different sort of gameplay in shitty shmup sections and design a body system everyone hates? What do resources have to do with decent checkpoints, making good enemy layouts using enemies you've already created, adding a delevel mechanic, melee becoming pointless and not being retarded about healing?

>but in others
Name one.

>>376630310
>Name one.
Being longer than three hours.

>>376630058
>the experimental parts are the characters
But they're bland.

>yoko taro does this better than anyone else in the business
Which would make him king of the garbage heap in the least important area of gaming.

>>376630054
>of the first deadly premonition
Sly fucker.

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>>376625297
>kojimafag asking someone why they don't just read a book

>>376630436
>characters are bland
nice opinion

>least important areas of gaming.
atmosphere and mood created by NPCs in a game is a huge aspect for many. It's something that games as a medium can do, which books cannot. If you want good gameplay, go play doom or something. If you want a good story, go read a book. However, those people that like to experiment on the edges of mediums and genres within mediums, yoko taro games are quite interesting.

that's my last (you)

>>376630384
>Being longer than three hours.
Route A isn't much longer straight through, if at all. Only a RPGtard would put emphasis on padded out game time (much of which consists of running across the open world, doing fetch quests, and shitty shmups) over actually varied content.

>>376621305
Fuck both of them, Suda51 is better.

>>376630054
I could watch hours of him doing nothing and probably still have a good time.

I want them both to be eliminated from the industry desu.

>>376621305
Taro is just an insincere meme people are pushing right now

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>>376630054
Something about that tune always makes me chuckle.

>>376630303
>You people are convinced he's some sort of master ruseman.
Except I don't give a fuck about MGS's story.

>>376630723
>nice opinion
2B's stoic as fuck, 9S's emotional range varies from meh to mad, Adam's a fag, Eve wants to suck big brother's dick and throws a fit when he dies. They're all unremarkable.

>atmosphere and mood created by NPCs in a game is a huge aspect for many
And we call those people weebs.

>It's something that games as a medium can do, which books cannot
Except books actually have good characters, which validates their existence.

>actually admitting Taro's gameplay is shit
Least you're honest.

>yoko taro games are quite interesting
But he's bad at both.

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>>376631284

>atmosphere and mood created by NPCs in a game is a huge aspect for many
>games must have fucking amazing 10/10 gameplay to be valid in the medium

what the fuck im a weeb now

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>current meme, hate mgsv, hate everything he's ever done
>love Taro and pretend to have played and loved his legitimately terrible games

man, as a board, we've been completely taken over by memes.

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>>376629052
>protagonist is so shit I have to list it twice
Oh Nowe.

>>376629781
Automata has one of the best hetero couples in history of vidya.

>>376629052
whoa they're epic madmen just like their favorite developer.

>>376630310
Because repetitive gameplay is boring and sudden twists to gameplay is fun and interesting and puts you in a state of mind where you never know what you're gonna get next. Obviously you just want to play DMC so this is lost on you.

>What do resources have to do with decent checkpoints, making good enemy layouts using enemies you've already created, adding a delevel mechanic, melee becoming pointless and not being retarded about healing?
How do resources not have something to do with all of this? All of that takes time to get right or even get working in the first place.

>Name one
I thought that was obvious but of course, it is lost on you. Taro's games just aren't for you.

>>376631629

the only autistic madman i see here is you

>>376624282
to be fair, Cavia made those ones and if Taro proceeds with platinum, they'll both basically cancel out their flaws.

>>376631284
>2B's stoic as fuck
Not really, it's pretty obvious she's putting on a facade, and there's a bunch of times where it completely falls away.

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>>376630054
Isn't Deadly Premonition owned by Access Games though?

Did Swery buy the IP?

>>376631284
>Except I don't give a fuck about MGS's story.
Then why the fuck would you play them?

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>>376631284
>2B's stoic as fuck
oh so you've missed entire point of her character

>>376630164
My dick was stale inside your mom last night.

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>>376631375
post weeb games everybody

>>376631984
I peacocked your mom.

>>376632037

bet you only played that for the ass you fucking ironic weeb

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Kojima himself has done better the "feel sympathy for your enemies" shit that Taro constantly tries to pull off. In MGS3, you don't have to kill anyone, but if you do, you get that Sorrow boss fight where all you've killed make you feel remorse for your actions.

In Nier, fucking enemies you kill (who pretty much always attack you first) drop fucking coloring books, and the later revelation that all the shades you've killed are humans is such an embarrassingly unsubtle way of attempting to make the character feel sympathy. People who fall for his gimmicks are complete jokes.

>>376631458
No the current meme is to pretend everything after MGS 3 wasn't a disappointing failure because you can't let go of the fact that Kojima is a hack carried by Tomokazu.

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>>376632104
You caught me.
Here's another good weeb game.

>>376632276
>carried by Tomokazu
meme

>>376632229
>who pretty much always attack you first
They only do that after you've killed a bunch of them in the beginning of the game.

>>376632229
>attempting to make the character feel sympathy
It was?

>>376632368
Not the case throughout the entire game.

>>376631647
>Because repetitive gameplay is boring
Spotted the casual.

>sudden twists to gameplay is fun
You mean shit genre twists worse than the core gameplay in every way possible that makes the sections it's incorporated into ten times as frustrating.

>puts you in a state of mind where you never know what you're gonna get next.
Except on subsequent playthroughs, which I'm guessing you don't do, along with higher difficulties.

>How do resources not have something to do with all of this?
Why would you add an entirely new style of gameplay that has nothing to do with the core and is trash compared to it when you don't have time to get the core right in the first place? How many resources do you think it took to create Forbidden Fruit, add checkpoints, or paste enemies into parts of the map? I'm guessing not many.

>All of that takes time to get right
Which Taro decided to waste on shitty shmups.

>or even get working in the first place.
Yeah, it takes thousands of manhours to figure out 'gee, maybe I shouldn't let players carrying around hundreds of invincibly used healing items at a time in a hack and slash game'.

>I thought that was obvious
What would that be? Don't be vague and just allude to imaginary positives that don't exist, cite real ones.

>Taro's games just aren't for you.
Probably cause I like good gameplay.

>>376632349
>Tomokazu leaves after MGS 3
>MGS games turn to shit
Just a coincidence.

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>>376632565
>>Because repetitive gameplay is boring
>Spotted the casual.

>>376632229
Nier's themes unironically went above your head. Sorry bruh.

>>376621305
The one who won't spend a ton of money on Kiefer Sutherland then discard all his lines

>>376621305
Kojima. He makes good games unlike Taro

>>376631802
Of being a good character?

>>376631905
Gameplay. Imagine that.

>>376631918
Eye candy?

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>>376631647
>it is lost on you.

You dropped this, Sir.
Well spoken though, it is pleasant to see a connoisseur of esquisite form of arts around here once in a while.

>>376632546
The game tries ridiculously hard through its melodramatic and apocalyptic scenarios to make the player feel as though they're playing something with great depth.
>>376632642
Alright, explain how it's deeper than I explained.

>>376632782
>>376632642
and if you pull that "its supposed to give you mixed feelings!" bullshit you're a complete idiot who doesn't understand a thing about how the game was clearly presenting itself.

>>376632728
>Gameplay. Imagine that.
It's hard to. MGS gameplay was never anything special.

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>>376632782
>>376632891

"my interpretation of a game with many interpretations is more right than yours!"

desu kojima was a mistake

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>>376632728
>I didn't finish the game and will judge characters based on my lack of information
Kek, thanks for the laugh. How pathetic can you be.

Why would you even be in a thread about a game you didn't even finish?

>>376632965
>MGS gameplay was never anything special.
It has very good stealth gameplay, a novel nonlethal damage system, and a lot of neat contextual quirks. It's quite good.

Can I start Drakengard by 3?
>inb4 why would you
Just answer the question please

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>>376633063
Okay, then explain your interpretation.
Unless you're that you're just one of those people who can only resort to "you just don't get it!", because it seems that's all you can do here.

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>>376633120

do it for the meme girls and ending d.

>>376633092
>I didn't finish the game
I have, several times already. Not sure why they bothered killing off 2B just to give us a slightly better clone, then bring her back at the end.

>>376631918
whoa she's just kinda like a robot who's repressing her emotions... Taro is a genius.

What was Nier: A 's message?

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>>376632276
>complain about memes
>bring Fukushima up

>>376633403
stealing from others peoples work will lead to praise from people who have never read others peoples work

>>376633217

you keep accussing the people who enjoy Nier as being some sort of mega fedora-tippers. this game is particularly deep, and as a diehard taro game I actually think his games are quite barebones. The whole reason his games are good is because the way the characters interact with their worlds is quite unique and interesting, and in Nier and drakengard it's all about how the characters bounce off each other and react to one revelation after another. ti's feels not some sort of hegel and kant philosophical discussion.

>>376621305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JObso3DouI

>>376633403
That dumbing down an action game and adding waifus with a paper thin story will get idiots flocking to it.

>>376633219
So I can? I just can't find a copy of Drakengard 1 and my PS2 isn't modded.
Also I don't want to emulate it because I don't want to.

>>376622329
If Taro loves games why does he purposely make shitty ones?

>>376633105
Nah, it's pretty much par for the course as far as stealth games go. And let's not pretend nonlethal isn't a totally commonplace stealth mechanic. Deus Ex, Splinter Cell, HItman, it's not unique at all. You haven't played many stealth games, have you?

>>376633498
meant to say "isn't" particularly deep, whatever

>>376624326
How is a prologue and two episodes a "season"?

>>376633540
Except you totally can and you don't need a modded PS2 to play it.

>>376633580
>they are SUPPOSED to be shitty
Well, that was partly true for Drakengard 1 anyway

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>>376632276
>tfw Konami hired some Yakuza thugs to kill Fukushima because he was against the pachinko business

>>376633540

You can start them in any order. Drakengard 3 is maybe one of the best to start with considering it takes place before Drakengard

Right guy
>who?

Can someone tell me what the fuck happened between Kojima and Koonami?

>>376633695
I'm searching for a copy on my country you stupid fuck.
Importing taxes are kinda high here. And of course I'd need a modded PS2 to play a pirated copy.

>>376633590
I hate you fags that never played the game. MGSV has the best 3rd person gameplay of any game no matter the story.

>>376633403
The pods basically sum it up for you after ending E.

>>376633779
And what's your gay-ass country?

>>376633498
Well the majority accepted reasoning for enjoying the game is its underlying deeper themes and messages that people feel the game has, when really that shit is a complete joke, and as you were just arguing about my interpretation being incorrect and not even offering your own other than "feels" then you can just fuck off.

The character interaction is limited between (often edgy) anime trope characters who have no basis in reality, this is the exact type of garbage weebs love because they have no affinity for reality.

>>376621305
>two hacks
I rather have the hack with the Moon from Majora's Mask for a face. At least he has good taste in video games.

>>376633787
Who said anything about V specifically?

>>376633748
Mobile games and pachinko machines are more profitable than AAA titles, so Konami dumped Kojima, who was at the time working on a new Silent Hill.

>>376633847
>Well the majority accepted reasoning
By who?

>>376633503
sounds like trash when compared to the masterful original japanese version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnGwbNGqxzw

>>376633990

Couldn't they wait until V and Silent Hill were done to dump him?

>>376633832
It doesn't really matter, the point was that I wanted to know if I could start by 3 since everyone and their mother has copies of 3 here. And >>376633718 said that I could so I'm ready for that.
Thanks everyone!

>>376634009
Are you just being ignorant? Check any Yoko Taro thread and you'll see braindeads attempting to dissect this shit, also, literally anyone who responds to someone shitting on his games with "You just don't get it"

>>376633779
I just imported a copy of Nier from the united states of freedom because you can't get them here.
I expect to pay over $130 in total

>>376633847

i really have no clue who you're arguing with at this point. your interpretation wasn't exactly all that in depth, and i can take pretty much any game that tries to have a good story and mock it like you did and anything could sound dumb. I just feel that Nier does a good job of rewarding the player who tries to look for these sorts of meaning subtly and enjoyably.

>le only hyperdimension neptunia-tier ironic weebs enjoy taro games maymay

whelp, you just invalidated yourself.

>>376633847
>Well the majority accepted reasoning for enjoying the game is its underlying deeper themes and messages that people feel the game has, when really that shit is a complete joke, and as you were just arguing about my interpretation being incorrect and not even offering your own other than "feels" then you can just fuck off.
It's funny how literally everything you say can also be said of MGS and its fans.

>>376633847
>often edgy
Most of the interactions in Nier didn't come off as edgy to me.

>>376624614

What the fuck are you talking about nigger, I didn't say anything like that.

>>376634289
Probably because they weren't.

>>376621305
The one whose last game wasn't dogshit, would be the obvious choice.

>>376621305
Both are overrated shits

>>376634140
>It doesn't really matter
Brazil?

>>376634230
I imported a copy from there as well. It was 70 bux. Fuck everything man.
Also it still hasn't arrived

>>376634232
>your interpretation wasn't exactly all that in depth, and i can take pretty much any game that tries to have a good story and mock it like you did and anything could sound dumb.

Alright, so now you do have an interpretation to argue for that differs with mine or at least expands on mine, apparently?

>>376634289
The way the game deals with the characters is edgy is hell, I should say instead, the constant sacrifices of characters, the sorrow and pain they're put through (to make you feel like the game is full of depth), and Kaine entirely.

>>376634474
my copy is expected to arrive by the end of the month
when did you order yours?

>>376633748
It's just a ruse.

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Kojima can never be replace, mgs2 still blow the fuck out of anything toro as done and will do.

2b was the good thing to come out of nier.

>>376634603
March 25th.

>>376634535
Can you explain how it's edgy without just saying it is?

>>376634287
MGS2 did metafictional narratives that call back to the game itself a decade and a half before Taro did, and its genuinely interesting how he works that concept in with a critique of the mass media and commentary on free will in MGS2.

>>376634809
I explained in that very post dumbass, right afterwards.

>>376634886
No you didn't. How are sacrifices, sorrow, and pain edgy?

>>376634815
Alright well [statement of disagreement and accusation of you looking too deep into things]

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>>376625513
>He played in on normal

>>376634972
Killing off your characters in sorrowful scenarios is inherently edgy, what? It's often done to get a shock value reaction from its viewer.

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>>376624192
Are you going to buy his board game?

>>376635187
>Killing off your characters in sorrowful scenarios is inherently edgy
How so?

>>376635082
I know you're doing it ironically but that's unironically what you've been doing this entire time.

>>376635248
Ok

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>>376621305
this thread makes it far too clear that this board is just following memes now, when the fuck did all of you get here

>>376635285
>>376629465

>>376635665
Didn't post that.

>>376635364
Is it really that hard to explain anything without having to use buzzwords?

>>376635756
Not my fault words become devalued when people overuse them in incorrect contexts.

> Left: Household name that has created many beloved and influential games all with solid gameplay and a level of detail and depth not seen in many games even to this day.
>Right: Literally who that makes games with mediocre gameplay but weebs and contrarians will circle jerk about how there's a deeper message that no one's getting without realizing it's all a bunch of bullshit.

Kojima is even a better pervert than Taro.

>>376635835
It is when you participate in it.

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What in the fuck can happend is this 2 hack madmans works together?

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>>376632565
>What would that be?
The writing and meaningful themes that are presented throughout the main story and side stories of the whole game.

>Probably cause I like good gameplay.
It's more like you are autistic about gameplay and think that only 10/10 action is good enough for a game to deserve to exist, if the gameplay isn't godlike to you, then it's just trash, and nothing else matters.

>>376632762
There's really no other way to put it. If you aren't interested in these subjects then you are wasting your time trying to play Taro's games and should find other places to shitpost.

>>376632782
It's about perspectives. There's no villains, everyone fights for what they believe in, but no matter how heroic it might seem to you, someone is suffering at the other end of that rope. It's not meant to just be some trick to make you feel bad for killing people and let that be the end of it. "Oh but that's not deep at all that's basic as fuck"; because the point isn't to shove some message down your neck like this, it's about widening your eyes solely for the sake of making you stop and think. This is what's lost on most people who dislike the writing for Nier:A. They think they are going to get some sick deep philosophical message at some point in the story that will make them question their existence or whatever, but that was never the goal, the point is only to present you with an interesting concept and then let you think about that and come up with your own answers. Most people don't think about these things at all. If they don't get an answer, they think one doesn't exist, and the writing is shallow and pretentious. Because even though they went to philosophy class and were fascinated by what they learned, they never understood that the most important thing to learn from these philosophers was to think for themselves. And that's the kind of person who I've been arguing with. One that literally doesn't give a shit because the gameplay wasn't godlike enough.

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>>376636008
>The game says nothing, which means it says everything

And I'm not oversimplifying your statements, that is literally what you are arguing.

>>376636008
>I am incapable of thought unless a video game reminds me I am.

>>376636008
>It's about perspectives. There's no villains, everyone fights for what they believe in

Not him, but Isn't MGS3 literally about how there's no good and evil and people's perspective and values are constantly changing with time?

>>376622329

>man who loves movies
vs
>man who loves girls


ftfy

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>>376636008
>you are wasting your time

Obviously less than you though.

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>Kojima
>last three games were mediocre at best
>Taro
>just released a good game this year

Just because Kojima made good games in the past doesn't mean he's worth clinging to. Sonic had good games initially, does that mean we should still be playing all the shit ones like 06 and Boom?

>>376636221
>>376636297
Support your stance.

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Post cute.

>>376636670
It's literally what you said yourself you dumbass.

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>>376636463
lol

>>376636221
Let me try and explain it better for you. The game's themes are open ended and you are left to decide for yourself what they mean. If this is an unappealing concept to you then Taro's games aren't for you.

>>376622329
nailed it
>>376636532
this too

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>>376636694
pleb

>>376636747
>ctrl+f
>"the game says nothing, which means it says everything"
>1 result (you)

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>>376635226
>Really want that Deluxe edition
>have money only on usual one
>By the time I'll get money all of Deluxes probably will be gone
Fucking Kickstarter, every time.

>>376636835
>being so retarded you can't even understand your own reasoning

>>376624118
This. I'll take Kojima's brand of goofy bullshit over Taro's.

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I hope for taro oneday to release the perfectest hack n slash open world game ever :))

Now of all honesty, he really should take his time on his budget and polish the perfect hack n slash ever

oneday this hack n slash of his will overtaken dmc lol

>>376637030
>wow what a retard he can't even understand that my strawman is a perfect representation of what he said

>>376621305
Kojima's latest interview is straight up saying that video games and movies will merge, therefore all characters must be actors. He's gone on the record he doesn't like voice actors and has recently sucked film dick from JJ to Devito

The mans a hack

>>376636773
the fucking last of us literally has the same over-arching "open-ended" theme of nier. familial relations over the world, nobody here would dare praise that though.

Kojima.
There's at least more and better gameplay.

>>376636564
mgsv is a better game then nier by miles.

kojima made good games in the past is why people still have faith. toro just made is first average game and that thank to platium

>>376636828
fujo pls

post moar

>>376637146
>because the point isn't to shove some message down your neck like this, it's about widening your eyes solely for the sake of making you stop and think.
Agreement there is not a message, solely a reminder to think.

>>376637280
And how does this translate to says nothing = says everything?

>>376621305
taro. kojima is a hack

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>>376637274

>>376633219
Five is the the only true answer. Whores are never a bad thing.

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>>376636694

>>376637381
I just explained that you braindead cunt.
"Not a message" = Says nothing. "Reminder to think" = says everything, at least for you.

>kojima
>muh actors
>muh edgy trailers

I'll take Taro.

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>>376637274
.>>376637392

>>376637532
I disagree.

>>376637167
funny thing about the last of us is its even more interesting than Nier because it completely takes place within reality, with humanized characters, and Ellie isn't even his real daughter but rather a surrogate for his feelings for his recently departed one.

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>>376637274
>>376637392
>>376637574

>>376624326
>tfw PEPSIMAN is PEPSIMAN

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>>376637607
this willingness to prove yourself retarded is admirable, at the very least.

>>376637007
If you are lucky enough they aee going to increase the amount of deluxe editions if those 1250 are done fast.

At first was 500 and were done in the first day.

>>376637173
>mgsv is a better game then nier by miles.
And Aquaman Battle for Atlantis is better than Superman 64, so fucking what?

>kojima made good games in the past is why people still have faith
You'll have to excuse me if I have trouble having faith in someone who is clearly past his prime and is consistently producing far below the quality he used to reach.

>>376637167
I haven't played that game because it looks bland as fuck so I can't comment on it, but presentation and context matters a lot.

>>376637532
Sounds like a matter of interpretation to me.

>>376637809
Here, >>376637669 is an explanation as to why even the context and presentation is superior.

>>376637167

because last of us tries to be a movie
nier tries to be a video game

these comparisons are almost as bad as the undertale ones jesus you guys aren't even trying

>>376637870
He could not argue otherwise.

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>>376637274

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>>376621305
Kojima makes shit stories and good gameplay, were as Taro makes shit stories and shit gameplay.

Therefore Kojima can stay.

Kojima
Fucker has been here since the 3rd gen
The only dev older than him that is still active is Miyamoto which is on his way out the industry
Kojima could still churn out 2 games before he retires
Taro is more of a Suda51 than a Kojima
If this is Taro v Suda, I'll take Taro anyday

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Kojima became a meme while Taro tries hard to be one.

>>376637895
>last of us tries to be a movie
meme.
Nier is also not a serviceable video game.

>>376637961
see >>376636773

>>376638051

last of us took inspiration from hollywood blockbusters.

>nier is not a serviceable video game
also meme

>>376625428
>Automata has better gameplay than all three of those
And yet it's not even made by Taro.

>>376638051
I bet you think Bioshock Infinite wasn't trying to be a movie either.

>>376638060
see >>376637167
Taro neither does a good job with that either.

>>376638013
>>376638013
WWWWWWW


Yousooofunny'!

>>376638161
>see >>376637167
So your argument is it's bad because TLoU does it too?

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>>376621305
You're right, only one can continue. And they both will.

Yoko Taro is just Hideo Kojima wearing a mask. That's why he never shows his face, because then people would know what his real identity is.

If you've been paying attention, there are subtle hints to this. For example, the breaking of his mask straight through the right eye is similar to Punished Snake having an eye injury that requires an eyepatch. And when you think about it, have these two ever appeared alongside one another in the same place? And if they did - how do you know Taro isn't just a different guy pretending to be Taro (Kojima) to keep up the charade for Kojima?

>>376638132
>last of us took inspiration from hollywood blockbusters.
And it's still a competent TPS.
This has gone to people defending the completely lackluster combat of Nier, it is complete drone status at this point.

It baffles me that kojimafags fail to see the irony in accusing anyone else of reading too deeply into things.

>>376638060
The game's presentations clearly deny your argument.

>>376638274
>combat alone is what makes gameplay

nier is praised for it's creative use of genre-switching, and in that way it's gameplay is actually superior to other games. the combat is serviceable, it's not CUHRAZY tier but nor is it drakengard, a game with actual shitty gameplay.

>>376637883
Doesn't TLoU take place in some post-apocalyptic future with zombie-like virus or whatever? How exactly is it taking place within reality? Because it's not as far in the future as Nier: Automata is? Because you arbitrarily find its setting more believable than Nier's? Even if it did, that being a factor for how interesting a story can be only speaks of your lack of imagination. And how are Nier:A's characters not humanized? If you say it's because they're machines I'm gonna laugh. >>376637895 I'd say this guy probably just made a very good point as well as to why Nier:A's story stands out more than TLoU's.

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>>376638274
>And it's still a competent TPS.

>>376638018
>before he retires
He's said he won't stop making games until he dies.

>>376638419
I'm talking about Nier by the way, not Automata.
>nier is praised for it's creative use of genre-switching, and in that way it's gameplay is actually superior to other games.
The combination of poorly implemented gameplay styles does not equal good gameplay. Those SHMUP balls pretty much offer no threat the entire game.

>>376638405
How so?

>>376638553

If you think the shmup balls were the extent of nier's genre switching I have a hard time believing you actually played through the game.

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>/v/ doesn't like nier anymore

>>376638510
>>376638510
>How exactly is it taking place within reality?
The characters are more humanized and not just a culmination of anime tropes.

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Nier Automata was the first time Taro tried to make good gameplay, a good story, and try to interweave it together in such a way that it explored areas that only games could - the story practically crescendo's upon itself during the introduction of route C where the game apparently becomes unfolds and becomes the sequel to itself. Route A is effectively the beginning of the book, route B being the middle, route C the end.

What's interesting here is how each route serves an undeniable purpose, with how a collection of stories and pieces of context begin to form a complex web of intricacies that form logical, and sometimes insane conclusions and realizations, which inevitably ends up feeding your expectations, all while Taro dodges them.

I realize that his past titles do this, to some extent, but I largely consider them failures when I see Automata. That's not to say I don't like them, I fucking love NieR and Drakengard, but I see an evolution in how Yoko Taro has made this game, and I see him getting better at it. If I were to put it another way, I would say this is as close to his magnum opus as he's gotten, a culmination of all his work and experience, all polished and presented by talented developers. All to chase a madman's ambition.

I'm excited to see what his next project will be, now that he's had a chance to hone his craft thanks to how competent Platinum is over Cavia. I hope he keeps working with them, having someone being able to keep up with Taro's ambition allows for some really incredible things from that man, so here's hoping his next game is just as groundbreaking and successful!

ITT: casuals who didn't play past the first ending

>>376638706

it's what happens when any series /v/ like gets popular, all of a sudden they have to immediately say how they hated it from the beginning to stand a chance in the contrarian epeen competitions.

>>376638706
>nier comes to pc
>suddenly people don't like it

makes me think

>>376638713
Stop using buzzwords and start arguing like a grown person so I actually have something to fucking respond to.

>>376638806

bayo used to popular here too, it was one of the most unanimously praised games.

rly makes you think

>>376638806
Coming to PC just gave it more attention. Popularity is the ultimate factor here.

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>>376635226
Maybe? I'd like to support the guy.

And board games are a medium I've never seen an eccentric game dev tackle.

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>>376621305
they can both fuck off for all I care

but seriously Jimbo

>>376638892
Bayo started getting shit on after we knew the second one was exclusive to WiiU. Don't bring your console war shit in here.

If Taro were a western dev not a single person would enjoy anything he's done, he'd be the source of mockery.

>>376638706
Kojima fanboys are just angry their hack developer hasn't made a good game in 12 years.

>>376638981
Only hemispherefags think this way.

>>376638848
They are not buzzwords when they are used correctly.

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>the amount of shitflinging in this thread

Why does Nier always attract the most heavy amount of shitposting on this board? Jesus christ. Haven't seen a shitposting-free nier thread since the first few weeks after automata was launched

>>376639257
inb4 some reply about how x fans are responsible

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>that moment when you realize the easiest way to trigger someone on /v/ is to ask them to explain their reasoning

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>pubescent boy goes nuclear way harder than an old soldier
>you actually feel ashamed of thinking about 2B as a sex object unlike shit Kojima tried to pull with Quiet

>>376639221
So explain how it's true then you fucking daft cunt. You can't just say they are unrealistic and leave it at that without explaining anything, that's not how a real argument works. Maybe it's time for you to find other places to hang out aside from 4chan so your mind isn't completely fucking drowned in all the bullshit attitudes that surround this place.

>>376621305
>Kojima has been on steady decline since MGS3

>Taro has only improved except for DG3 and is now with huge ammounts of mommentum and will finally have the chance to produce the game of his dreams with less corporate meddling and restrictions.

Easy choice.