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Erectin' a TF2 Thread

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Erectin' a TF2 Thread
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>>376620578
Is that the new overwatch hero?
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>>376620578
Gotta move that gear up!
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BRs do not belong on /v/
Go hue somewhere else
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I haven't played TF2 in almost 3 months. Convince me to play it.
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>>376621347
Wait for pyro update. Claimed to be their 2nd biggest update.
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GOTCHA FAGGOT
HIIIIIYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAEEEEE
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>>376620578
>tfw tf2 is dead, stopped getting regular support and updates years ago

>Is just a hot mess that tried one time to balance all the weapons in the game but never kept twerking

>10 year anniversary is coming up and we still have 2 comics to go

It hurts knowing this. Meet your match killed tf2 for me, but now to see it's anniversary come up I can't help but weep for how much valve has pulled away from its original passion in gaming to chase money for more lucrative FTP and just being a gaming distributor
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>>376620578
dead man's overwatch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEPdM3CG82s&t=111s
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>>376621478

Lets face it, the Pyro upgrade is gonna be another End of the Line case of "yeah this is gonna be great!" but in the end is barebones as fuck
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>Overcucks can't go 5 minutes without replying to a TF2 thread
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>>376621659
Might as well go down swinging.
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>>376620578
reminder only shitters main this class
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Post the thing
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>>376621587
>10 year anniversary is coming up and we still have 2 comics to go
There's actually supposed to be only one left, as there's currently six comics released out of the seven-part series

That said, I heavily doubt the finale will come out in time for the 10th anniversary, which is a huge shame
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>>376621659
I'm going to be mad about EoTL forever.

It had so much promise, and then we got nothing but mediocre cosmetics and the stupid duck bullshit.
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>>376620578
The last time I played TF2 was the 2013 Halloween update for hightower, what's changed since then?
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>>376621827
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>>376621839
>It had so much promise

Never trust community made stuff
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>>376621696
It's sad isnt it?

They are THIS desperate to shit on anything TF2 related that they would probably Alt tab mid match just to reply to such threads.
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>>376620578
a bumb
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>>376621604
That has to be the stupidest video I've watched in about 10 years.
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>>376621604
There are people who fall for this bait, and it makes me sad but kek at the same time
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>>376621947
Quickplay was removed, and it got replaced with a matchmaking system of debatable quality

There's an official competitive mode now, but it's really just a 6v6 format with no weapon bans or class limits

Community servers are still struggling to stay alive
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>>376622178
Sort of like playing TF2 for 10 years :^)
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SENTRY GOIN DOWN AND UP AND DAMNIT GOTTA MOVE THAT GEAR
THIS THING AINT ON AUTO PILOT DAMNIT GOTTA MOVE THAT GEAR
HOLD IT SPY DONT TOUCH THAT SENTRY DAMNIT GOTTA MOVE THAT GEAR
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>>376622243

I still dont get why they even bother with comp mode since all the leages play in they own server and they own rules and dont give a shit about anything else outside they bubble.

Most of the people bitching about comp mode are those who want to make esport money but they can bother to change game.

TF2 cannot be a comp esport game since at the core is very inbalanced
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It's been nine years and this thing is still the only viable Medic weapon. I will never understand why Valve made this thing twenty-five percent on hit rather than kill, considering aggressive Medic is not recommended by the actual game.
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>>376622085
Can you really blame them though?
I'd use any excuse to alt tab out of overwatch
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>Playing on Hightower
>See this

What do
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>>376621604
I dont get it
Is this ironic, if it is then its not funny
If its serious then he's literally a shill
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>>376622243
>No quickplay

That's kinda weird
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Mah fellow Texan
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>>376622617
Realize I'm on Hightower and leave the server
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>>376620578
Best girl of tf2
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>>376622694
>>376622738
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>>376622243
>debatable quality
Its BAD, there is no debate
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>>376621587
>TF2 10 year anniversary also marks 10 years without a new Half Life game
>No evidence of Valve having anything planned for that day
>Evidence of Valve is doing anything else but jerking off to VR and raking in Steam cash is extremely slim
>Valve will do nothing and the day will pass like any other
Mark your calendars, because October 10 will be the day we celebrate Valve's extraordinary levels of laziness together. I'm partially depressed because of this, but also kind of excited to see it happen as most of the internet will shit on Valve to such an extent, they'll have to notice. Nobody can defend this shit.
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>>376622662
It's similar, casual mode is just quick join to one of the maps you have selected. The difference is that you can't join a friend's game mid-match and have to party up before starting. And autobalance is gone, replaced by volunteer teamswitching. There is no actual matchmaking to speak of in casual mode, it's just free for all.

The system was horribly broken at launch but got much better since.
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>>376622737
This. If they vote for this map in casual, it will never change because of friendly autists.
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>>376622871
I wouldn't say "much", just "somewhat less awful"
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>>376622871
So they didn't fix a single issue since the last time I played, 6 fucking months ago.

Did they fired the 2 people working on the game?
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>>376622842
It really depends. At least with something with Diretide, Dota 2 was huge enough that the enmity was palpable.

TF2? Can you really warrant the energy?
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>>376622617
Honestly, Hightower is very large so it's easy to locating them.
Fuck the Engis who building them near the elevator tho.
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>>376622604
The first few weapons were a pretty big mess in general, really. Blutsauger originally had "no random critical hits" as its only penalty, and remember when Backburner had +50 max HP? Yeah. Ubersaw's been as it is for so long that there's no way to change it or create a better weapon (See:Vita-Saw) without the entire competitive Medic community REEing in unison though.
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>>376622871

You forgot the part where you cant votekick someone from the other team and instead you have to beg them in all chat AND there is no team scramble even after the round ends forcing pretty much everybody from the steamrolled team to leave the match.
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>>376623146
It's both TF2 and Half Life 3 memers. Most people on the internet who are aware Valve exists, shit on Valve because of Half Life 3.
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>>376623206
>mfw original Sandman

What the hell Robin?
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>>376622604
>only viable Medic weapon
Vita-Saw says hello from the ban list
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>>376623206
They could either nerf its "gain on hit" or change it to "gain on kill"
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Bumperino my Bambino
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>>376623472
they need to rever the nerfs to things that were just dick around items
namely the caber and the sticky jumper, they ruined that just because autistic sniper mains on 24/7 2fort servers were asspained
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>>376621696
It is pathetic, but lets not pretend TF2 posters are much better. I remember seeing TF2 shitposts in dozens of Overwatch threads
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>>376624834

The caber nerf is mostly for Scunts and Medic mains who didnt like to get one hit kill when the demo hit the floor near them
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>>376621478
>>376621659
>Pyro update never
>DR/spycicle still exist
>You exist to press M2
>You cannot counter the guy you're supposed to kill

Playing Pyro when not a f2p w+m1 is suffering, there is no shitter experience
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>>376625527
they removed the only thing that even remotely took skill with him too because shitters kept dying to it
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>>376622002
god i fucking hate this webm so fucking much
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>>376625790
We all do, why do you think it gets posted every thread? lmao
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>>376625527

I have the terrible feeling of Valve nerfing the flare gun and the scorch shot in the pyro upgrade
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>>376625527
>obvious spy
>ignite and airblast consecutively
>if you dont kill him team will whys hes being juggled in the air
Pyro is easy to play if you're good at it
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>>376625790
it's dumb but I never understood why people seem to loathe it so much

is it the shitty editing? The mediocre plays treated like they're amazing?

The blood on the screen from meleeing the soldier?
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>>376625527
>w
Just type "+forward" in console and play one-handed, it's honestly kind of liberating.
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>>376620578
>med has kritz
>get a buff banner
>med crits me and my banner gets filled instantly
>endless cycle of crits
>one soldier gets conch for sanic speed
>the whole team becomes a blitzkrieg death squad
>engie sets a nest on the enemy spawn when they're all dead

Good shit
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>>376625527
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Valve now considers Pyro to just be the Engineer's buttbuddy, rather than an actual offensive class.

>>376626005
Scorch Shot is guaranteed to be nerfed. Too many Pyro players, myself included, use it as their secondary nowadays.
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>>376622002
It has sound?

I want to see it.
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>>376626087

If you think i'm trying to say Pyro can't kill bad spies you missed the point Not to mention if a spy is obvious and shit ANY class can kill him.
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>>376626154
All of that. There's nothing impressive about it, and the dumbass cuts for no purpose.
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>inb4 it's turned into a big 10 year anniversary update where they officially drop support and announce TF3
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>>376626484
Because when you engie and get a kill that's not by your sentry that's something impressive for them
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>>376626279

>Scorch Shot is guaranteed to be nerfed. Too many Pyro players, myself included, use it as their secondary nowadays.

Yeah but its so damn weak, the bloody thing is just there to piss off people
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>>376626654
what would you even want to see in tf3
it would be like Maplestory 2
noone expected it and noone is sure why it exists
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>>376621347
Their is no convincing someone to play TF2 now. It's shit. It went down hill. Plus OverWatch is out now and made TF2 fucking extinct.
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>>376626752
>tf3 is released
>tags: Crafting, Open World, Survival
How would you react?
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>>376621696
>complaining about shitposters
>on /v/ of all places

Welcome newfriend!
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>>376626752
Well maybe I'd play it if it wasn't Korea exclusive.
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>>376626752
A new art style to experiment with, new characters (one being fapbait or some shit), some shit from TFC like bunnyhopping and grenade jumping, new weapons, and The 10th class
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>>376622694
>>376622738
Did they ever explain what happened to the TF Classic Medic?
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>>376626892
>overwatch comes out
>TF2 playerbase takes a 15-20% hit for a month
>back to its previous numbers shortly
I don't know what overwatch crowd thinks happened, but their game had no effect on TF2 whatsoever.
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>>376622002
The ending gets me every time
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>>376627068
I think he's dead anon.
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>>376626892
>still in top 5 games played on steam
>extinct
>inb4 you say b-BRs and F2Ps!!!!!
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>>376621696
be thankful, without them tf2 threads would immediately die.
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SPY'S SAPPIN' MY Overwatch is better
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>>376622028
Unless is a weapon?
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>>376622243
>debatable quality
no, it's shit
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>>376626994
>APRIL FOOLS
>HERES A NEW COSMETIC CASE
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>>376627240
>Frogposting after Pepe died
Baka
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>>376626892
Overwatch could have killed tf2 but blizzard puts out content at a glacial pace.
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>>376627267
>Reskin of Sun-On-A-Stick
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Is there any point to going to it at this point.
Last time I tried I just got pissed off at the shitty matchmaking system.
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>>376627342
Thats something they have in common, at least
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>>376628040
Hey at least when TF2 came out it put out updates.
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>>376629156
Yeah, people are forgetting we got 6 of the 9 "Meet the" movies(plus Sandvich) in the first two years, on top of big updates every few months.

And beyond that we had community servers and custom maps to tide us over in-between the official stuff.

From launch till the end of 2009, we got Goldrush/Medic, Pyro, Heavy, Scout, Sniper v Spy, Classless/King of the Hill, Halloween and War updates.
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>>376630791
I miss Counter-Strike mode.
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>>376630791
Is that lumberyard?
>We will never get to play arena mode in casual
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>>376621482
AUTISTIC LITTLE SHIT
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>>376630995
Yeah it's Lumber concept art. Or just general concept art for the "Alpine" theme.
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TF2 server when?
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>>376631481
>furaffinity
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>>376631694
Man I dunno I just remembered the comic and I got the first thing off Google.
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>>376620578
>See tf2 thread
>Remember how good it used to be
>Remember what's happened to it
>Remember it's 18.5GB to reinstall if I wanted to check it out
Fucking hell
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>>376631694
Whats wrong, anon? Are you being intolerant?
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>>376631856
Its only like 7 now that valve cleaned up alot of the garbage
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>>376632079

>Valve doing something competent
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>>376626892
I'm that anon. I'm not touching that fucking garbage, even if valve literally completely deletes tf2. No chance shill.
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>>376632079
Taken just a few seconds ago
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Erectin' a benis :D
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tf2 is still alive?
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>>376626281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fCpAuxrQ_I
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>>376633890
Alive as it's ever been. Don't let memers fool you. Whether the game is still "good" or not is up to you though.
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>>376621183
>not knowing that good part of /v/ are BRs

HUE
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Team Fortress 2 is trash now
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Post screenshots
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>>376634754
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>>376620578
Erectin' a dead game
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>tfw engie slumming on 2fort and giving a Rockstar a SIP
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>>376634754
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>>376635067
>giving a Rockstar a SIP
What does this mean? It sounds like a code, please teach me.
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>>376620578
needs more Lazy Mexi Engie
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>>376634754
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>>376635265
Literally drinking Rockstar energy drink. What's not to understand?
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>>376622617
>tfw always go gunslinger engie in hightower

I played for the first time in months a few weeks ago and got someone screaming at me in Russian for it.
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>>376620578
SPHAAAAA!!!
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>>376634754
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>>376635483
I thought it was some TF2 lingo I hadn't heard of, I feel disappointed.
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>>376634754
I post this every time and I will repost it every time.
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Reminder that she is going to win
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>>376634754
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>>376635929
this is making my head spin
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>>376634754
I miss playing this game on a computer older than half the playerbase
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>>376634754
only other quality one I have on this commp
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>>376634754
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>>376635929
Is that hightower?
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Any big update soon? I didn't play TF2 like 2 years.
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>>376634754
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>>376636518
Highertower, but yes.
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>>376636534
Pyro won the Heavy vs. Pyro thing.
But so far there have been no news regarding the next update.
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>>376636542
>tfw my computer is so shit I have to turn ragdolls off so I never see stuff like this

;_;
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>>376636542
>Bomb seller, I need your strongest bomb for I am going into battle.
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>>376636817
These can be more amusing though
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>you will never unlock Bonk! atomic punch for the first time again
>you will never get your first market gardener kill again
>you will never get your first machina collat again
>you will never get your first hat drop again
>you will never get your first taunt kill again
>you will never craft your Horsemann's Headtaker again
>you will never buy a key for 2.66 ref again
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>>376636982
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>>376635748
It's a /fit/ meme
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>>376636982
Is that Turbine? Lowkey a fun map
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>>376637028
>28.22
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>>376637135
It is. These screenies are from like, three years ago
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>A scout main that despises pyro will dictate balance and the pyro update
I have no hope or expectations for Pyro
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>>376622002
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>>376634754
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>>376637110
Now I'm even more disappointed.
Thank you for informing me.
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>>376634754
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>>376634754
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>>376638126
>pink cosmetics
Its the small details
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>RED spy on barnblitz
>stand by the right spawn door just barely out of sight
>BLU spy comes out and starts running to the cart
>I stab him a couple yards from the spawn door
>BLU spy has left the server (disconnect by user)
>literally mfw
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>>376622737
Hightower is the single worst map in the game, I have no idea why the fuck autistic children congregate to it like flies on shit. It's even worse then turtlefort.
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*clicks on you*
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>>376638740
*holds M1 on you*
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>>376638680
It's as close to TDM as you'll get.
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>its an engie builds a mini sentryto defend the intel episode
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>>376639180
>it somehow kills the top player on the enemy team
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>>376638680
It's extremely difficult to beat the map legitimately (mostly because you have to stand on the cart with an elevator right next to enemy spawn), so most people just give up and ignore the objeictive entirely
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>>376638740
>playing snoipah
>doing pretty well but not great since its not my main pick
>autistic enemy scouts doing their zipping about
>clearly see my dot and trying to avoid it
>manage to headshot one as he runs right into the center of the scope
>other ones jumping around erratically so its a bit harder to hit him
>manage to hit and kill him but it was a bodyshot
>in the same space of time first one calls me a hacker and the other calls me a bodyshotting nigger
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>>376639180
>defending on Mountain Lab
>engie builds a sentry nest above the last point during setup
>builds a tele from spawn to his nest
>does nothing for the whole match except wrench everyone who uses his teleport
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>>376638680
high tower is the ultimate fuck around and tdm map. People actually get mad if yo cap because if you want to play objective based maps then you shouldn't be in hightower because there are way better maps for that.
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Natascha is bae
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>sentry jump on the roof on doublecross
>build a teleporter there
>ally scout comes and starts spamming positive radio commands
>respond with "Thanks"
>he just keeps going with those radio commands
Eternal praise sounds like hell now.
Also for some reason my team can't keep the enemy at their spawn with teleporter that close to them, don't really know why.
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>>376620578
>take cover
>get killed anyways cause lag
I've been getting mad at this for years, I think I've about had it. Doesn't matter how great of internet I have, if some third worlder with a ping of 200 and more lost packets than the USPS says I'm dead, I'm dead. I'm ready to uninstall and start playing barbie's horse adventures cause there's probably less horse shit involved.
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>mfw pub players cant deal with demoknights
>constantly get over 20 killstreaks
how hard is it to airblast, go heavy, or force of nature scout? or hell even try to dodge at least
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>>376634754
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>>376634754
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>>376639735
it doesn't help that if you played scout and then changed to something else your hitboxes were broken

it took them almost 10 years to fix that
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>>376621604
>Tatsumaki
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Post fast boys
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>>376639756
>demoman tries to kill me
>airblast
>fire
>airblast
>fire
>airblast
>fire
>this fucker just holds w+m1 or something
Only sometimes it can be hard because of bullshit melee range combined with their ping.
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>>376640042
the main excuse pyros had before was that targe made you immune to fire so you couldn't combo them with flares or axe but now there's literally no excuse
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TF2 players are usually autists and redditors.
It's a shitty game in general.
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>>376639180
>engie puts down mini
>enemy spy comes along and backstabs engie
>mini chipping at him and spy is in full panic
>tries to run up to the mini and knife it but dies
Watching others when you're waiting on respawning will never not find a way to entertain me
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>>376636542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx8af6vE3Rc
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who /div 3 roamer/ here
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>>376621604
He's surprisingly right. He points out the problems with each class.
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>2fort
>sneak into enemy base, pop sentry outside their intel
>take potshots at defending engie, eventually he comes out to shoot me and my sentry kills him
>kill his shit, set my sentry up there and grab intel
>engie types in all chat about intel being fucked and some shit
>"enemy got our intel-enemy dropped our intel" blazes as i run to cap and do so
>encounter no one, apparently everyone decided to rush intel guarded by my shit one by one or i dunno, bridge, sewers and our base were empty
>enemy team shits on their engie and he shits on them while map voting
It almost felt like the old days, i rarely see text chat being active.
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>>376638740
I love switching to pyro and scorch shotting sniper mains for the entire game. I once had a guy autistically screeching at me on all talk for more then an hour, like literally screaming and tantruming on all-talk despite being a grown-ass man.
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>>376639970
Wait a minnit... it a'int 'is speed! 'e must be usin' da Chaos Emeralds ta warp!
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CJ, lose some fucking weight you fat piece of shit. Stop mooching off your cousin and aunt and get a job. Stop joking about kidnapping girls you fucking creep. No one likes you. Your dog is ugly.
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>>376640425
one of the big things that overwatch is missing is all talk, talking with the enemy team was almost always a nice experience when you were just having fun playing the game
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>>376622002
Thanks doc
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>>376640748
Even text? But even then, yeah. All-talk voice was the shit.
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>>376637028
joke's on you I never landed a market garden
or got a hat drop
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>>376640959
Text is ok sometimes but it's not the same. You've got to stop playing for a few seconds to type.
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>>376639530
>bodyshotting nigger
why is this so funny to me
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>>376637028
>you will never buy a key for 2.66 ref again
if I hadn't been there I wouldnt believe this shit like how the fuck did it get so bad
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>>376640989
I got a hat, but it's for the most boring class in the game, soldier
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>>376637028
>>376641197
you know backpack is run by literal jews right? No memes whatsoever literal jews are most of the reason as to why key prices are now like 30 fucking ref or something stupid like that.
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>>376621604
the bait game is strong with this one
i wonder how many people took the bait
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>>376620578
SENTRY GO GO DOWN AND UP AND DAMMIT GOTTA MOVE THAT GEAR
THIS THING AIN'T ON AUTOPILOT DAMMIT GOTTA MOVE THAT GEAR
HOLD IT SPY DON'T TOUCH THAT SENTRY DAMMIT GOTTA MOVE THAT GEAR
THAT SPY AIN'T ON OUR GEAR GIT DOWN DAMMIT GOTTA MOVE THAT GEAR
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Did you guys hear about this pyro update?

No?

Noone else has ether.
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>>376639735
>I'm ready to uninstall and start playing barbie's horse adventures cause there's probably less horse shit involved.
holy shit
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>>376639087
It's so fun to fuck up hackers with this
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>>376641340
I don't care anymore, why the fuck did they nerf that axetinguisher to the point of being shit not once but twice, make the other weapons better instead of making the good ones shit
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>>376641508
Shitters keep on dying to the weakest class in the game so they just keep on nerfing them even more
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>have played the game on and off for nearly ten years
>still haven't gotten a single taunt kill
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>>376641571
>mfw they might actually nerf the flare gun too because of shitty scouts
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>>376641571
Honestly, I never liked the idea of puff n sting. It seems like a bunch of bullshit that you have to work so hard to get a kill at close range with THE close range class. Removing that entire playstyle and replacing it with mobility and survivability would be preferable to me, but I know it's controversial because a lot of pyros loved doing it.
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>>376641727
how the fuck is that possible
I got one just earlier today on a sniper that wasn't paying attention as a fucking demoknight
hell if you're playing hunstman sniper then it's as easy as standing in front of an enemy teleporter and spamming G until you get one
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>>376623206
>Ubersaw's been as it is for so long that there's no way to change it or create a better weapon (See:Vita-Saw) without the entire competitive Medic community REEing in unison though.
They should just ban it, like they ban any other fun things that don't fit in their causalised version.
If it was up to them, there would only be 4 classes anyway.
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>>376641797
>. It seems like a bunch of bullshit that you have to work so hard to get a kill at close range with THE close range class.
what that was literally the easiest way to get a kill with pyro and why he was both fun to play and somewhat viable, now he's justa Im gonna fuck with snipers or pub players with my flare gun class
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>>376641953
Don't say that or all the compfags will jump out from the woods and say how marvelous and perfect their dreadful play styles are.
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>>376621604
>the faggot that shilled his shit here non-stop is already resorting to clickbait videos
Ebin.
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>>376631481
They should've never remove this bug.
The switch weapons while taunting is also sorely missed.
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>>376633890
yes
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>>376641992
de.su i haven't played actual tf2 in a while
then again my play time of tf2 has been pretty low, even before mym shit up the game
i just play on x10 or hale or some shit, pyro's usually fun on x10 because of infinite flare punch
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>>376642041
>and say how marvelous and perfect their dreadful play styles are.
they only work, when the server is only half full among other limitations.
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>>376622604
UNNERF THE AMPUTATOR!!

I WANT TO PLAY PRETTY MUSIC GODDAMNIT!
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>>376622773
Since MvM started, are the current Mercs half former BLU and half former RED? Or did the RED mercs just win?
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>>376642625
How did they nerf it?
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>>376641508
There's not a day in this world that I'm not pissed off about the axtinguisher nerf. 6 years anon, that axe went 6 years without a single change, no major complaints. 4 of those years it got to live beside a (much better) degreaser than we have now. It was only when f2p came in that it had to be nerfed, because they couldn't deal with the obvious rubber man running at them.

>>376641571
And this is pretty much why Pyro has been constantly shit on. Look no further than the phlog, a weapon that was never good, but when got a buff, had to be nerfed back down because people can't counter a mini kritzkrieg wherein the guy has to stand still for 2 fucking seconds to telegraph it, then has to charge at you with the shortest range primary in the game.

These are the people whining and ultimately dictating game balance.
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>>376642625
>not wanting to have superior melee
pic related
also
>that glorious music everytime you taunt
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>>376642801
The AoE heal is nonexistent. Negligible at best. It's healing buff is also pretty shitty considering the huge downside.
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>>376641508
Valve now only listens to the competitive scene and popular TF2 youtubers.
I wish I was joking.
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>>376642856
The phlog was broken though. Even as a pyro main since the first halloween update that shit was retarded. They didn't need to nerf it to uselessness but it was extremely overpowered for like a month.
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>>376639180
>its an engie builds on the last point right away episode
>you still manage to defend and so they sit on their ass doing nothing for 10 minutes
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>>376626654
Last I checked no one has made a TF3 mod that Valve could just swoop in and buy without doing any actual work on it themselves. So it's not happening.
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Why does the DR even exist?

>"Spy is supposed to be a squishy but stealthy class. What kind of weapon do we give him?"
>"I know! let's give him the ability to tank monstrous amounts of damage"
>"Let's add in a speed boost so that he always gets away with it."
>"Oh oh, i know: throw in some afterburn immunity so that his counter is completely nullified."
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>>376639180
>its an "engie defends the point for nine minutes until a soldier lets a heavy walk onto it and cap" episode
It was too ridiculous to be annoyed at
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>>376643169
Absolutely not. Even at its height, the fact that it has no airblast and an obvious telegraph makes it laughably easy to deal with. Sure it mows down light classes, but literally any solider/demo/heavy with eyeballs can shut down a plog pyro before he can even reach anyone. The problem is retards can't counter that.
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>>376643434
the dead ringer already got nerfed to hell and back its not as bad as it once was
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>>376643570
It still promotes being bad a bad spy who gets caught instead of being stealthy.
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>>376643568
>but literally any solider/demo/heavy with eyeballs can shut down a plog pyro before he can even reach anyone.
Did you miss the part where they buffed it so you were ubered? That's what I'm talking about. For a month it was incredibly overpowered
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>>376643434
It's meant to be for really tight maps where it's impossible to get anywhere without walking right through the enemy's line of fire.
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>>376621587
It hasn't felt the same since competitive mode got added
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>>376643434
>>376643734
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>>376642912
I take the vitasaw when I actually care about ubers. The quickfix doesn't need 'em, survivability is a bit more important.

I like the quickfix but I'm coming back around to stock. People are too stupid to take out sentries without it.
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>>376643434
But remember, it's not a crutch because Mr Paladin said so! :)
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>>376643664
nah you wanna hear about shit spies, they are the ones with the cloak and dagger who hide for like 10 minutes waiting for a kill only to either get killed before they can get it or miss the backstab completely. The amount of spies Ive expectated while waiting to respawn is insane
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>>376637028
>you will never get your first hat drop again

Still haven't gotten a hat drop, all I get a crates I keep on having to delete because they take up all the space in the backpack.

>you will never craft your Horsemann's Headtaker again

Still haven't done this but mainly because every time Halloween rolls around I never really think about the Horseman or any of the Halloween maps, I just stick to the normal ones. Maybe I should try to find some server that keeps that shit up year round.
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>>376643997
even after all these years jerma's description of pubs is accurate
well, maybe, i haven't played them since mym
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>>376643725
I was there for that, it still didn't matter. Once you have your buff, you're no longer invincible. So you see the obvious taunting, uber looking pyro, look at him, and then ice him once that uber effect wears off. He can't reflect anything, so he's easy prey.
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>>376643997
I've got 50 hours of spy of me doing this before I realized that the uncloak time is too long and the noise is too loud for it to be effective. Cloak and Dagger is the worst watch in the game by far, but only because the DR is just so goddamn good. It literally is a all-in-one package, the only thing missing is an aimbot and it'd be full on godmode in a can.
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>>376644232
Well you have the amby for that, and pray that you get a random headshot.
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>>376634754
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>>376641259
What? Mods were always corrupt yes but that isn't why. There was nobody burning the money afterwards. So scrap kept collecting ad infinitum until keys skyrocketted.
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>>376644530
Metal inflation was a part of it but traders trying to get more profit were also a big part of it
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>>376637545

Hey, Im the engie in the left

Fuck that map, when I close the game and went to sleep I had a headache
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>>376640180
>be spy
>find enemy engie sandwiched between his sentry and dispenser
>just constantly whacking his sentry with his wrench
>stand behind dispenser and de-cloak
>sentry turns around to shoot me but kills him first
>sap his shit and move on
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>Play spy
>Enemy team seems always know you're coming, where you're coming from, and when you'll be arriving at all times even when you're invisible
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>>376644973
>Engineer blocks doorway with dispenser.
>the moment the spy tries to crouch jump over it or not immediately phase through it will immediately get blasted
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>ctf_sawmill and ctf_well isn't on casual map rotation
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>>376645234
>Take enemy engineer's teleporter
>It was a tele trap that he'd warned his team about in team chat
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>>376642765
They never say, and I think that's because there's no real way to actually make sense of it without including a bunch of nonsense that'd get in the way of the rest of the storytelling.
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>>376645340
>Aside from community servers, ctf_sawmill and well aren't in the game anymore
Sawmill was some fun times. Neon Annihilator pyros could technically defend the intel.
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>do something there's an achievement for
>achievement does not trigger

I have never cared about achievements before but something about this game I've yet to figure out makes me want to try for them. Weird.
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>>376645979
I can't get Loch-Ness Bombster for some reason. I definitely killed someone as they finished taking the teleporter, but I didn't get it.
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>>376645979

>Came back after two years
>somehow I lost all my achievements

Im mad
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>>376646192
>download a Steam achievement hacker
>enable all for TF2
you earned em
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>>376645979
>get achievements
>steam's percentage counter goes up
>in game percentage counter does not

Weird. Also post that one achievement that you swear you've done but the flags for it just won't trigger. Pic related.
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>>376622002
Thanks doc
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>>376622002
thanks doc
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>>376643434
The only spies I see anymore are those running around, uncloaked and undisguised, with their free 100+ damage hitscan weapon and the dead ringer, sniping people from a distance and hitting their get out of jail free M2 button any time anything gets within 80 feet of them. I don't even know what the fuck the spy's gameplay purpose is supposed to be anymore but I don't think "sniper but with an invincibility button" is supposed to be it.
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>>376646694
The 1 million heal point medic achievement. Technically, it wasn't a glitch, but I reset my stats, not realising it also reset achievement progress, so i've been stuck at the 90K mark forever now
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>>376643664
Being stealthy is dead now that people know how to spycheck
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>>376647691
>them jiggle physics
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>>376645340
I'm trying so hard to set up a server that pretty much only plays those two maps and landfall but I just can't get it to work. Source engine sux.
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>>376647691
>exposed skin on a fempyro
I can't fap to this.
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>playing pub
>place down spray
>forgot I had a pornographic spray selected
>someone on the other team sees it
>then most of them start crowding around it
>turn off mute
>hear they're all kids
>my team is now able to complete the objective with only 2 players out of the 12 on the other team fighting back
>hear one of them get in trouble with their mother because of what's on the screen

To be honest, only that last part made me feel bad in any way.
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>>376644530
>>376644634
do people ever use metal for anything anymore, like is crafting worth it at all? why would you even wanna trade keys for metal even if you got 30 ref out of it
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>>376626005
They tried to nerf the Flare Gun somewhat recently, but they thankfully reverted it.
I'd like to think that in the Pyro Update, they would encourage sets that require at least an iota of skill.
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>>376647691
>not muscular mpyro
Some people can have a really bad taste
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>>376648752
There's room for both
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>>376648224
Honestly the moment I got one of every weapon, obviously not counting reskins, I stopped with crafting.
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>>376648224
Pretty much all the craftable hats are worthless due to the fact that they're craftable, they're worth like a third of the metal used to craft them.
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>find a torrent with TF2 music
>think why not and download it
>all that nostalgia
>go watch some meet the x videos
>massive nostalgia
where did it all go so wrong?
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Since servers can have their own rules, are there "pure" servers with launch day weapons only? I guess not but I vaguely recall hat-less servers out there so..
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>>376642053
this
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>have to wait a week to sell keys

lame as shit I thought Valve wanted people to trade
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>>376648821
No
This map ain't big enough fo' the two o' us
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>>376646365
not him but i'd be upset because it wouldn't have when i really got them

though back in like 2009 i did go to achievement servers a lot, so quite a few of them are probably not when I really "earned" them
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>>376647519
If you knew what you were at before you could just add it to your stats.
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>>376648224
no it's been useless for years, they're just the poor people's currency
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>>376648141
One of the fempyro skins got updated recently with reworked cosmetics, so you can always use that and put on a cute suit or something. Prior to that the only ones that were really properly converted were the biker jacket and the sweater, both of which had prominent boob windows.
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>>376649101
I bet this one hits pretty close:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbdtBLD8Lbg
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>>376647691
>Masked female
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>>376644973
>play with four friends all spies
>play on turbine and sneak into enemy intel
>still invisible all disguise as engineer
>everbody spams voice command C 2
>enemy engineers spend eventually catch on swinging their wrenches at the air trying to find us
>enemy pyro eventually comes down to stop the texan battle cries
It's the stupid moments that make this game amazing
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>>376652314
ah, a man of taste
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>>376620578
What a nice thread.
It would be a shame if someone put a sapper on it.
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>>376652535
SPAH SAPPIN' MAH THREAD
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>>376652187
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>>376652187
That is pretty good. I think my favourite will always be the medic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6NQx4WRRg0
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>>376622694
The Scout is operator as fuck.
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So is Overwatch worth it? I have played a lot of TF2, and still do fairly often, but Overwatch just seems like a step down from TF2, but it has more players and is newer
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>Haven't browsed /v/ in months
>Unfortunately get pulled back in
>TF2 thread

I guess it's not all bad.
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>>376637109
>IT'S PAYNE
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>>376653198
Not nearly enough content for 40 bucks.
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Have you tried comp?
http://www.strawpoll.me/12945378

It triggers me that some people think competitive CANT possibly be fun, when having a team with nice people and playing against people of your same skill level is actually so fun and rewarding
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>>376653190
TFC scout is fucking useless outside of conc jumping, which medic does better thanks to also having a box of contagious plague as a weapon. TFC was ridiculously unbalanced actually, both scout and pyro were absolutely worthless and had no use whatsoever. I'm not just saying they were bad or worse then the others, I'm saying they were completely unplayable.
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>>376653198
I bought Overwatch near release, and once my hype depleted, the lack of mobility and number of stuns and slows in the game seriously got to me. I don't play it anymore.

>>376653384
I've played Highlander before, but didn't find it very fun. I don't think I can get back into Comp TF2, I've always had problems with committing time to the game the way comp requires it.
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>>376653384
I've tried it but got bored within a month because I'm so shit it was just stressful more than fun.
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>>376622617
Get an autistic admin to kick you for building minisentry on hightower. Took me a moment to realize that shit is actually a thing. Apparently you get kicked on most hightower servers for doing it. If they don't have mini outright disabled.
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>>376653459
Imo, tfc spy was worse than scout.
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>>376653198
Honestly, overwatch is good as a casual game cause of the "press q to win" buttons. But competitively: It's shit balance and shit maps.
If you're looking for another game, either go for paladins if you need something like overwatch or try out dirty bomb (where people have like 1 ability and no ults)
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>>376653198
After having quit TF2 in favour of Overwatch for a while, I concluded that if you don't care about competitive much then TF2 is the game for you.
Less classes means each one feels more unique, the game has a very charming art style that is still good looking nearly a decade later, and there are many more maps to choose from in TF2, and you can pick out which ones you want, e.g if you hate Temple of Anubis in Overwatch then tough fucking titties, you'll have to quit the lobby and move on, but in TF2 if you hate cp_egypt then just uncheck it during the matchmaking or just !rtv if it's a community server.
Also the game will generally piss you off much less since there's so much more you can do about a thing that angers you. No front-liners? Go as one that can fend for himself with no medic, e.g sandvich heavy, back-scratcher pyro, etc.
>but it has more players and is newer
That doesn't mean it's better senpai, it just means that Blizzard are absurdly good at marketing.
>TL;DR if you don't care much about comp then TF2 blows Overwatch to the fucking atmosphere, team rocket style
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>>376621347
Why? It sucks now. Anything that requires effort or an ability to actually aim was nerfed into the ground because shitters kept bitching about them. Also Pyro's flamethrower damage and was given an equally gimped axetinguisher because apparently a class that was designed for the purpose of dominating close combat isn't suppose to.
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>>376653607
commiting time? because of how long the matches are or how long it takes to get players?
the bad thing about HL is that its 9v9 whree you actually need 1 person per class wich can be hard.
the players required is one of the reasons there was very few LANs that had highlander innit
i switched to 6s fulltime, and its way easier to get players and matches are a max of 30 minutes
>>376653734
i know that feel, can be hard at the start
id just join a newbie mix group
Btw, if you are european they made a whole new division specific to new players called Fresh Meat, might be worth a shot
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>>376653384
>play in plat 6s UGC once cause a friend needed a sub for his team but then I got put on the main roster
>proceed to get shit on
>only wins we got were because of other team not showing up
At least I got a plat participation badge so I can gloat about being a plat sniper to piss off people.
I did play a lot of highlander via lobbies but fuck it literally is sniper-lander due to the maps favoring the fucker so much.
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>>376653925
Meanwhile they keep doing shit like giving demoknight immunity to flames for no fucking reason. In a lot of ways he's now better at close combat then pyro is, he has an instant escape button, he deals nearly as much damage, he (can) move faster and has more health.

I'm not saying Demoknight is good or anything, I just don't understand why he's even in the fucking game.
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>>376653384
>a year or so back try TF2Center comp
>too scared to try 6s so try highlander
>lock down Heavy thinking my job is obvious and thus easier to pull off
>immediately one guy begs the rest of the team to kick me for my admittedly shabby 500 hours
>lose both rounds and get the loss blamed on me
>never try comp again
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>>376654138
>Meanwhile they keep doing shit like giving demoknight immunity to flames for no fucking reason
That's only for charge n targe which mostly forces him in a straight line while the tide turner has like 50% less resistances but a fuckton more turning
>I'm not saying Demoknight is good or anything, I just don't understand why he's even in the fucking game.
They more or less wanted a melee only class but did for demo cause "he's Scottish so give him a sword." They also realized it sucked with the heavy due his size/no fucking mobility.
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>>376654138
I would say for more "classes"
Like w+m2 flaregun pyro (fuck this)
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>>376653821
My friend is obsessed with it, she talks about it all the time. I dont know much about overwatch, and she hasn't played TF2, but from what I can tell, its way to casual
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>>376654138
Just be thankful the targe actually gets lit on fire again. If it wasn't Demoknight would've back to being busted again back when the Loch n Load could one shot every class outside Heavy and Soldier. Holy shit I miss those days!
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>>376654060
I am autistic, what is happening on that webm that is so funny?
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NEW item sets WHEN?
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>>376654060
>webm
i don´t get it
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>>376654138
Demoknight made the game straight up worse. It's inexplicably a combination of fucking useless at objectives while being a pain in the ass to play against. Not fun for either team, only for the douche playing it.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but this underpowered subclass needs to be gutted once and for all so retards will finally stop maining it. For the health of the game, demoknight needs to be slammed into the dumpster with the rest of the gimmicks. They can fucking deal with it like all the other subclass mainers.
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>>376623354
It's been nearly 10 years, what was the OG Sandman like again?
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>>376654371
I always love heavy is supposed to be the "frontline" when the sniper can easily take his ass out.
They also fucking hate you if you think about running shotgun. Hell I was top scoring with it once and I still got booted from the game.
TF2center has gone full jew mode anyway with forcing you to turn off adblock and most of the people there are just unfun assholes.
>>376654668
>>376654843
The red soldier is just rocket jumping around with the rocket jumper (I think) and showstopper is dying of fucking laughter cause no one can fucking kill him. And I'm gonna guess b4nny is raging in the background like usual.
>>376654578
Overwatch was made for people an entry level FPS cause the skill ceiling is low. There are characters that literally do little aiming and are able to get kills. And the ults are just frustrating, especially since they are easy to use, game changing, and can take ~45 secs to get if you're decent.
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>>376654843
>>376654668

I'm almost sure the red soldier was rocket jumping out of enemy damage
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>>376626484
IT'S
A
JOKE
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>>376654668
Blu backcapped their second point so the red soldier/medic were just shit out of luck, and the red soldier was panic rocket jumping around desperately trying to escape like a bat out of hell.
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>>376655026
It used to full-stun all the time (the only thing that varied here was the length of time a person was stunned for), and could stun ubered players.
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>>376621482
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>>376655309
>>376655026
Forgot to mention - the original downside was no double jumping, I think.
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Does vaccinator also reduces rocket jumping dmg?
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>>376655309
>could stun ubered players
Oh shit I forgot about that! I want it back again.
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>still no TFC items besides the Classic
feels bad
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>>376655309
It could also stun at point clank range.
On release it had no m2 functionality, m1 both swung the bat and launched the ball. I still can't believe Valve released it in that state.
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>>376655953
b-b-but you dress up heavy and medic with tfc hats! that were made by the community and not valve, the original creators of tfc!
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>>376656119
desu i forgot that I had dressed up my medic as the tfc medic before
I wish there were more tfc weapons though, dont care if reskins but I'd love to have the asscan for heavy
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>>376621604
fuck this guy, he insulted our hero, leafy, with his shitty video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mJDtelAuuo

he even got a community strike but it was removed because of his stupid defensive fanbase

LET US CORRECT THIS AND FLAG HIS VIDEO IN THE NAME OF LEAFY
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>>376656004
It makes sense that they would because you'd be using it for the ball itself, not to swing around all the time, but when you get rid of the ball.
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>>376656237
>fuck this guy
>links his videos

just ignore him and dont give him any views
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>>376656237
>videos so ironic that they're extremely unfunny
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>>376656237
Why did you make this post? For real, why? Don't you have anything better to do? I mean the obvious answer is
>for the (You)s you fucking nigger lmaolmao lennyface
But I refuse to believe people can be that retarded.
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>>376656521
I'm just gonna be needing what you said
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>>376655953
It's all I need
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W H E R E I S T H E U P D A T E
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>>376654913
Leave demoknight alone ;_;
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>>376621604
>stock fov
He's unironically retarded
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>>376657027
>the new pyro update has arrived
>not only have they fixed pyro, but they have transcended fixing him
>pyro is removed from the game
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I just played a game against 5-6 medics healing a heavy, then a market gardener only on everyone game and a fortwars game. It was fun.
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>>376626994
>MINECRAFT INSPIRED RETRO GAMEPLAY
>IT'S THE DARK SOULS OF CLASS SHOOTERS
>COMING TO STEAM GREENLIGHT
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>>376622243
This is what killed tf2 for me way back when. You couldnt have serious matches because the game was made so FUCKING disproportionate with every fucking update because they just kept adding fucking weapons without actually allowing players a means of fucking balancing them in matches.

Overwatch stole the tf2 idea but improved on it greatly

>>376621696
Because i fucking played tf2 for ages before overwatch came out so even tho its dead i still have alot of memories from it. Also Ster and Jerma mister popular tf2 players migrated to overwatch so you cant be surprised when alot of the overwatch playebase was former TF2 players.
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>>376654483
>They more or less wanted a melee only class
But why? They already have a close range specialist, so what's the point of this except to step on his toes by giving the new guy even better toys then the original? It's like if they decided to give Soldier an assault rifle that gave him +150 health because they wanted a medium range sustained DPS with tank capabilities.
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>>376634754
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>>376634754
shortly after this he shot the spy and they both blew up
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>>376657790
>You couldnt have serious matches because the game was made so FUCKING disproportionate with every fucking update because they just kept adding fucking weapons without actually allowing players a means of fucking balancing them in matches.
I'm sorry, what? Comp just soldiered on with the whitelist. They were able to do this because of all the user options that exist for making a server. Or are you referring to pubs as "serious" matches?
>Overwatch stole the tf2 idea but improved on it greatly
What part is an improvement? Ults for everyone forever? Sluggish movespeed? No community made content? No ammo management? Focus taken away from aim to get out of jail free abilities?
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>listen to the commentary nodes for tf2
>amazed by how much work went into creating the game, the art style, character designs, etc
>years later none of that matters anymore because its now just a microtransaction skinnerbox with hats

rip 2004-2007 valve
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>>376657790
>Overwatch stole the tf2 idea but improved on it greatly
really because i think the only thing overwatch has on tf2 is a dev team that's less dead
everything in overwatch, at least so far, is a lesser version of tf2, and the only reason I occasionally play it is because tf2 has gotten so bad
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>>376657790
>Also Ster and Jerma mister popular tf2 players migrated to overwatch so you cant be surprised when alot of the overwatch playebase was former TF2 players.
Jerma hasn't played overwatch since the game came out
STAR plays it all the time but he never seems to have any fun in the game. He even commented on this himself when he tried out custom games
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>>376653882
>Less classes means each one feels more unique
It also helps that the character interactions aren't completely neutered.
https://youtu.be/yK9ya1vZZcU
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>>376658932
>Jerma hasn't played overwatch since the game came out

Yet he still fucking put winston in the jerma rumble
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>>376634754
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>TF2 comp doesn't have any money in the scene. Casters and tournament organizers put money off their own pockets just to give a good show. Players play because they genuinely like the game.
>Valve "support" for comp did more harm than good, giving it an awful image to pubbers due to "comp mm" wich is still a beta and utter trash filled with cheaters.
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>>376659042
that was the live one right? I'm still surprised he put that much time/effort/money into a video
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>>376659165
yeah it was in the live one. I feel like the reason he put so much effort into it was mainly because that was sorta his channels calling card and that was around the time he said he was quitting youtube
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>>376658825
They had such high hopes for tc_hydro, and to be fair when the game was new I played it a fair bit due to them only including 6 motherfucking maps. But as soon as new maps got introduced that shit got thrown out like a vietnamese prostitute and never even looked at again.
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>>376659132
doesnt comp still require people to collect weapons before being able to use them in a match?
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>>376659274
>and that was around the time he said he was quitting youtube
he didn't quite youtube though, he just went for "big projects on main channel", which he hasn't done another of
he uploads a bunch of stuff to his 2nd channel, plus there's the archive
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>>376659383
isnt his second channel just fucking twitch highlights?
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>>376622604
>Ubersaw
What do people see in this? It's so useless
Amputator and Vita Saw are so much better.
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>>376659460
pretty much
what's the difference between that and him playing a game and then editing it for a video, though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv4mR6QpYws
Outside of donations I don't think this'd be any different from a non-twitch video
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>>376659354
im not sure what you mean

the weapons needed for 6v6 comp are very few
>Gunboats and escape plan for soldiers
>boston basher to build as scout
>crossbow and kritzkrieg for medic
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>>376622612
Why not just look for any excuse to uninstall the game instead?
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>>376659547
>getting 25% uber charge each hit
>useless
stay in trade_achievement retard
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>>376659547
>What do people see in this? It's so useless
have you ever played the game?
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>>376659547
>Ubersaw
>Useless
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>>376659640
His original videos were more scripted which felt more genuine as in he took the time to do. His new ones are just "Oh hey i was playing video games heres a recording"
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>>376659383
>"big projects on main channel"

Which will be just another Rumble but x10 times stupider. I don't know what he meant when he said "it's going to be like a school play," but I hope he's going for that South Park WWE episode feel.
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Ubersaw is for pubbing, good players won't let you get away with melee medic very often.
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>>376659547
Vitasaw banned everywhere and it's boring as fuck to use, no reason to use amputator's taunt
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maybe if they dont see you around the corner but its really a last ditch thing for messy fights or when you run away and a scout chases you
still, 90% of comp medics use the ubersaw, i have seen medics healing people with the bonesaw taunt twice in 4 years of playing comp
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post your medals and/or badges
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>>376660581
I got a participation badge from playing in a /v/ team like 5 years ago.

I still technically have the "team name".
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>>376634754
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>>376621478
>Inb4 the changes are all stupid, Pyro becomes even more irrelevant and most of the update is dedicated to new hats and Soldier weapons
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>>376658932

Ster's just all sell-out and stream-monies at this point, a bit of a disgrace and no longer entertaining.

Also Muselk migrated a bit to Overwatch and he's a pretty popular tf2-tuber.
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>>376626279
>Scorch Shot is guaranteed to be nerfed.
Why? People don't use it because it's OP, they use it because it's the only Pyro secondary that's any fun to use. Why not just fix his other secondaries instead of nerfing the only good one?
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>>376660581
>>376660759
>The ETF2L Highlander Tournament medals are cosmetic items that were awarded in Genuine quality for the 2010 ETF2L Highlander Community Challenge
Make that 7, I suppose

>>376660885
I found him years ago and I thought his "mythbuster" videos were really nice.

It's a shame he's degenerated so much into e-celeb camwhore circlejerking.

Star in general just seems really bad at any video game that's not a standard FPS. Watching him play the new Prey was painful, like how I see people describe game grumps.
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>>376637221
>>376636982
The fuck is wrong with your gpu?
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>>376642765
they probably just all just became red so the turrets wouldn't target half team.
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>>376641303
He's not baiting, he's being entirely unironic, he's a known Overwatch shill.
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>>376660581
My only achievement in this life
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>>376621696
Reminds me of Digicucks and Pokémon threads.
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>>376642765
I'm still kind of pissed off they copted out and just made it so that you're always RED and the robots are BLU.

Like the whole point of that cinematic was "they're teaming up to fight the robots"
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>engineer buildings have no explosion damage based on the level of the building when desttroyed on purpose
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THAT'S A RIGHT PRETTY BRA WASHER YA BUILT, YA BIG UGLY GOWL.
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I unboxed 3 unusuals in a row out of a total of 4 crates.

Nobody believes me.
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>>376661342
>mini sentries are now landmines as well
thank god
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>>376661253
>One's a forgotten franchise that gets a mention every handful of years
>The other is the most recognizable media on earth
I'd be upset if I was a fan of digimon, too
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>>376661414
That's because 95 out of 100 people who say this, are liars.
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>>376661112
those screenshots were from a factory new Windows XP computer from '96.
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>>376661561
Make that 94 out of 100
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>>376661561
Yeah, you have to balance these statements. For example: I've won 2 aussies in a row on 2 cities but at the same time they were the only ones I've gotten in 170 tours because fuck me.
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>>376660759
that medal is pretty cool
i was thinking of donating 10 bucks to hugs.tf just because the medal looked like it had the spanish flag, but its just virtual pixels so i didnt buy
>>376661242
cool medal
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>>376657790
fuck both star and jerma, fucking traitorous scum

you don't make a channel almost always about tf2 then just leave it behind
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>>376662167
tf2 has done nothing but get worse and worse over the years. THe devs don't even give a fuck about it, neither should you
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Why is the community version of characters so different to the actual characters?

I mean, some of them are correct but Heavy is actually smart and cares about people.

Also I like how they confirmed that Spy is Scout's father finally.
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>>376662167
Jerma's fine more or less. He actually has fun.

Meanwhile Star forces himself to play overwatch all day every day.
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>>376662167
Did you honestly think it would last forever? I do understand star frustration with the game, just look at his last video with wacky mods, he just doesn't care, no ideas, no new content.
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>>376662393
star just fails at being a decent human being in general
jerma is a genuine fun individual that didnt shit on his old fanbase just because of wanting to try other games
but lets stop talking about e-celebs and talk about the game
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>>376662571
what game?
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>>376660581
god bless UGC giving away free plat medals in south america
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>>376661074
>Watching him play the new Prey was painful
It seems like larger streamers/youtubers aren't so good with taking their time to learn a system or explore a game world to figure out it's mechanics. Just watched Achievement Hunter's Prey video and Jack & Geoff were backseat driving so hard, hopefully they realise what it's like for the viewer now.

>game grumps

Honestly, I only watch them for the sonic videos, they're pretty good at those games but I guess anyone can learn how to perform QTEs.
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>>376662737
hue
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>>376662914
>It seems like larger streamers/youtubers aren't so good with taking their time to learn a system or explore a game world to figure out it's mechanics.
It was more just him actively ignoring game sysetms and then complaining when he didn't know what to do/it was too hard

>Man guns are so shit, the wrench is the only good weapon
>Doesn't upgrade either the wrench OR the guns
>Man the game is so slow I wish I could move faster
>Doesn't upgrade speed
>Man I wish I would stop dying so quickly
>Doesn't upgrade health/armor
No, what he decides to spend all of his skill points on are "You can pick up slightly heavier things". It's not like he doesn't know the upgrades are there, he even mulled over getting them, he just chose not to, and then complained about the game being shit when he flat out ignored it telling him what to do

Anyway enough about e-celebs that used to be decent and is now mostly garbage, let's continue talking about a game that used to be decent and is now mostly garbage.

How badly will they fuck up the pyro update?
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>>376662270
wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P8Ubkn_a6Y
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>>376659132
TF2 ESEA player here

Alot of use are moving to Quake Champions because
1. It has everything that makes TF2 fun for us
2. It has more players
3. It has actual money in it and a competitive future
I've also heard that some players that quit TF2 for Overwatch are moving to Quake Champions as well, one notable example being Seagull.
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>>376642184
It both of those bugs became console commands anyway
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>>376662737
hows the scene over there
have you seen competitivo.tf
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>>376663404
Ah yes, the what, 4th or 5th e-celeb video claiming they visited Valve and how everything was hunky dory and everyone loved the game and things were perfect, only for a year to pass and nothing to happen, again.

Also fuck dane in general, he used to be decent but then some compfag infected him and now he hates anything that's not comp-sanctioned retardedness
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>>376663372
>How badly will they fuck up the pyro update?
Re-vamp pyro into an uncontrollable mess, he will be game broken for weeks.
the 200 hats that would accompany the update are all ass and part of an event.
The Degreaser and Reserve shooter is split into 2 items.
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>>376663459
i would get into quake champions if the netcode wasnt SO SHIT
Quake Live netcode was so simple yet so good, Quake champions is the opposite, i have no idea how they fucked it up so badly

also i get that its a beta but it runs like shit specially on my computer
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>>376622002
What's funny is that people will still say that the default shotgun is not one of the best weapons for any of the shotgun wielding classes.
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>>376663732
I have never heard anyone saying shotgun is bad.
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>>376663732
theres people that dont even know the spy has a primary that can actually kill people quite decently.
stock revolver can kill a scout or a sniper in 3 shots close range
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>>376662167
Jerma has actually gotten better as he started to loose interest in TF2.

No excuse for ster though.
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>>376663404
>Video explicitly states only like 5 people actually program the game
>Guy himself even says that despite the couple of employee's who do care, Valve the company as a whole doesn't give a shit about TF2 and the game isn't going to get much better until they do
You just proved that anons point more then anything buddy.
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>>376644973
>Hear someone coming
>Hide in corner or hug a wall while invisible
>Enemy just randomly decides to fire on your spot and you die to a crit
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>>376644973
>have headphones on
>hear disguised spy uncloak on the left
>turn back and see an obvious enemy spy disguiseed as engineer staring right at me
>kill him
play a non-meme class like soldier or scout
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>>376663591
>Published on Feb 9, 2017

try again, kiddie

and fuck you some weapons are still bullshit and need to be balanced for both casual and comp

like this pic related piece of shit
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shit, that pyro update still isn't out? fucking hell
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>>376663518
I know the dude that created that website, gave it all his passion and really pushed to get the community into using pugchamp but everyone was so used to playing mixes already that they didn't even bother.

Highlander is pretty much dead, most teams are just pubbers playing for fun that last for around 3-4 matches then quit. There used to be a bunch of decent/good teams but everyone quitted around 2-3 seasons

Don't really know about 6s, but UGC became a joke and the "serious" 6s league, LBTF, is sorta dying as well, even though they still have a healthy flow of open/aberta teams in them, high level also known as elite is dead as fuck.

Most pubs died because of the casual mm but that was expected
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>>376664880
>non meme
>soldier and scout
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>>376664650
unless they didn't see you you should never hide in a corner as spy, it's too fucking obvious
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>>376621839
Blame the dumbshit VALVe playtesters
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>>376664904
the whole concept behind critacola is dumb
valve themselves admitteed to it being a last-minute bonk reskin
the only fix i think would "balance" this is making it only allow you to use meele whilee active, like the heavy steak
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>>376665019
It was just an example, my point was more about despite the fact where you hide as a Spy, even in middle of a fucking room, some faggot will come up from somewhere, randomly decide to shoot towards you for a reason or another and kill you. Or even better, enemy Pyro just randomly decides to puff air.
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>>376665008
the most versatile all-around good classes are scout, soldier and demo
non-gimmick classes

there is a reason the first ever version of Team Fortress in 1996 had Scout, Soldier, Demoman, Medic, and sniper, wich is exactly what people use in comp all the time except snipeer wich is an offclass used mostly in last
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>>376662167
Jerma at least still plays the game occasionally and nods respect to it for being what entertained him and got him where he is over the years.
Star just has an autistic fit over the game being mentioned, like he's denying its existence despite everything.
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>>376665130
it happens because people are expecting it
you dont know where the spy is? he is here
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>>376664904
>>376665034
I know it says "Crits" on the name but they should just go fuck, go back to the drawing board, and rework it entirely to make it something fun.

Like maybe on drink, all hits with the Scattergun instantly replenish/reload ammo ala Widomaker. Or maybe have it that your health will deplete until death, and the only way to stop it/refill health is to kill an enemy player, in which case you receive a free full overheal.
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>>376665683
the dumb thing about crit-acola is how it gives the scout the onee thing he doesnt need: more speed
just make it buffalo steak: the drink. it will probably be allowed in comp if they do it that way
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>>376665568
That's because ster has a in with blizzard, and his handler jeff won't let him mention the game.
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>>376665827
>banned taunts
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>>376665827
>just make it buffalo steak: the drink. it will probably be allowed in comp if they do it that way
But I don't want it to have the bare bones minimum change just to please compfags.
I want it to, you know, be FUN.
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>>376665827
>all these bans on shit like Atomizer and Flying Guillotine
>yet soldier keeps every single rocket launcher
>Phlog not banned
>concheror
>banned taunts
???
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>>376665990
it may sound dumb, but you can do stupid shit like this with some of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYIyjVWsPkQ
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>>376665568
>>376665860
he seems to have an autistic fit with overwatch being mentioned too, someone mentioned tobrjorn while he was doing prey and he got upset

then there was a bunch of shit during the skyrim streams af ew months ago
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>>376661074
>It's a shame he's degenerated so much into e-celeb camwhore circlejerking.
But that is what Jerma is doing now since he is actually uses his webcam. Ster showed his face on stream only once or twice.
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>>376666213
I can get the Baloonibouncer, but why The Carlton?
Is it because he's Carlton?
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>>376666468
>But that is what Jerma is doing now since he is actually uses his webcam.
I don't watch 100% of his streams but I can't even remember the last time Jerma did a facecam outside of the clown joke.

He did a stream where he did magic tricks, too.
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>>376666468
Jerma shows his face for like jokes though.
That's the biggest difference between him and ster_.Jerma still actually makes jokes, ster_ is just another Overwatch streamer.
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>>376666213
I'll admit that does seem pretty fiendish
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>>376634754
Not mine
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>>376666198
Pyros get decimated in 6s, they are only used to airblast ubers

Concheror is okay because you lose your shotty/gunboats, it's sometimes used for pushing lasts

Taunts to avoid buggy shit or using them to see behind walls (see high five)

Bans on scout stuff to avoid the strongest class getting stronger (ignoring med of course)
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>>376667006
>Strongest class in 5CP getting stronger
FIFY
If comp actually cared about the rest of the game you'd realize that Scout, while very powerful, is hardly the strongest in more Attack/Defense driven gamemodes.
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>>376626087
I don't know how long it's been since you last played, but Dead Ringer has given the Spy 3 seconds of afterburn immunity and a speed boost that makes him faster than the Scout whilst being entirely invisible.
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>>376667236
>If comp actually cared about the rest of the game
well there's your problem, they don't
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>>376666619
This is a black thing, isn't it?
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>>376621183
>he's such a newfag he wasn't around for /vint/
anyway, BRs only make up 1/8 of TF2's playerbase
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>>376623251
I thought you couldn't votekick enemies since always
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>>376621659
>>376621659
>>376621659
End of the line was hyped by the community. Valve never said it was going to be big.

Valve are saying Pyro update is going to be big.
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>>376667306
at the cost of heavily nerfed damage resistance than it was before, don't leave shit out nigga
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>>376667503
Valve also said competitive would be good.
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>>376667236
They are also the strongest in KOTH though

Also attack/defense used to be played but everyone grew tired of playing gravel pit because most attack/defense maps just suck
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>>376667562
Yes, it was heavily nerfed, but it's still more than usable.

Old DR effective max health: 1250
Current:
500 on the hit that triggers the Dead Ringer,
357 at 0 seconds after the trigger
250 at 1 second after the trigger
192 at 2 seconds after
157 at 3 seconds after and for the remainder of the cloak
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>>376667645
Still doesn't change the fact that it's a large part of TF2. Hell, Payload is Tf2's most popular gamemode and comp doesn't even support it.

Now I understand some gamemodes aren't as fun with less people, like PL, but when you consider the fact that these are the same people that when they tried to "test" a new payload map for competitive the team immediately threw the match so they wouldn't have to play anymore? Yeah, I don't think compfags are at the same wavelength with what essentially makes up the majority.
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>>376667236
It's mostly just Engineer that can shut down Scout so easily. Other than that, the class does need a nerf.
I feel like balancing the game around competitive won't have as much of a negative impact on casual play at all. Games like dota, for instance, tend to balance everything for the highest levels of play and work from there.
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>>376626279
>I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Valve now considers Pyro to just be the Engineer's buttbuddy, rather than an actual offensive class.
Fuck i hope you're wrong.
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>>376637028
>key for 2.66 ref
>mfw keys going from 1 to 2.33 was a big deal
>mfw they're 28.22 now
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>>376637028
>there was once a time when Keys were 1 refined
>was still hard to get back in the day
>buds and bills hat were considered high rolling currency
>now Buds and bills are worth less than 5 dollars on the steam market
>keys are slowly about to hit 30 refined for 1(one) key
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>>376668156
That image is spot-on to how I feel.

Of course, it is possible to kill people with fire in pubs, which is where I usually play, but I do hope the Pyro update doesn't nerf Pyro's already low damage in return for more support bullshit.
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>>376668413
Yeah, if anything airblast needs a nerf.
Adjust the fire so you need to aim and can do actual damage.
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>>376667319
Its weird because I play a lot of demo and scout, but the fact over half the cast are shut out and most of the unlocks are out of the equation with some being understandable, its just pretty unappealing.

To me its fun to fight a variety of different enemies and sets because it makes you pay attention and learn how to play around it, going from say a loose cannon Demo to a gunslinger Engie with the panic attack, it keeps things interesting. With comp its just namely stock and while i'm not against stock, fighting a soldier that has a medic up his ass 24/7 and the other trading a shotgun out for boots, it just feels like a very vanilla DM fest.
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>>376667912
While I do hate the fact that most people that play 6s don't really want to play anything outside 5cp/koth, there's also the fact that there's almost no way to make payload work in a 6v6 scenario, most already made maps are already too big for that low amount of players, as well as making sniper in particular incredibly broken due to the open areas on them.

There's also the fact that the most efficient way to play that kind of game mode is having at least 2 people on the cart at all times.

You also have to consider that heavily pushing new game modes such as PL or attack/defense would end up dividing the comp community, which is already small as fuck.

TL;DR: Comp players are generally really stubborn trying new stuff out, but some game modes are simply not balanced/fun on with 12 players. Dividing the community sucks and if you want to play attack/defense go play highlander, which some people don't really take seriously but it's still competitive.
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>>376668734
>it just feels like a very vanilla DM fest.
that's what compfags want though
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>>376668826
Wanting to go back to the "everyone just stay's in their niche group" days of TF2 is a fair opinion, but the truth is many comp people want the competitive aspect to grow. Now I am totally a-okay with the idea of having a more comp focus TF2. Hell, with the right balancing I think it'd be absolutly great for the game. However I feel like comp people have this out of touch idea of what TF2 is and want their niche audience to grow, without actually bothering to evolve.

I get it, Payload isn't fun with only 6 people and there's a limited pool of Attack/Defense maps. These are completely valid criticism that should absolutely be pointed out and possibly fixed. But like I said, when the community is xenophobic to a point that when someone offers a solution to the problem, and the immediately turn it down because it's not what you're used too, then you yourself are partially to blame.
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>>376668826
>but some game modes are simply not balanced/fun on with 12 players.
maybe the game shouldn't be 12 players, maybe it should be 24, like how the real game is
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>>376622002
>>376640801
>>376646923
>>376646935
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>>376656119
they gave us the original just to point that out
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>>376667006
>>376667006
>Pyros get decimated in 6s, they are only used to airblast ubers
you idiot, "decimated" means 1 out of a group of 10 gets killed.

people need to stop using "decimated" to refer to single persons getting fucked up
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>>376669524
>but the truth is many comp people want the competitive aspect to grow

They want to get in the esport bandwagon because they cant play other games after wasting 10 year into TF2.

Sorry to sound like a broken record but comp players started to nag about the time Valve made millons with Dota and Overwatch enter beta and promote the fuck out of esports

Hell, the worse updates are all thanks to comp players bitcching for a matchmaking which pretty much killed most of the energy TF2 had over the years.
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>>376669775
I never said that 6v6/9v9 was the real way to play the game
>>376669524
At this point you can't really change the way competitive is played, even though a few advances have been made (4v4, the new global whitelist project even though most people on the forums cry about it for no reason, etc).

I am all in for trying out new stuff such as new maps, allowing new weapons and that sort of stuff but I guess not everyone shares my opinion on the matter
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>>376634754
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>>376668413
Well here's what I want to happen, and I have emailed to Valve asking for.

>Pyro Flamethrower/airblast bugfixes.
This will make Pyro's damage more reliable.

>Pyro's Flamethrower range gets buffed by 50%, keeping the same maximum and minimum damage as it does now.
This will allow Pyro to actually reach enemies to fight them, since its range is so pathetically low right now.

>Pyro's Flamethrower particle size reduced by 50%.
This means the Flamethrower will take more aim to use, thus in conjunction with the above buff rewarding good aim Pyros and punishing bad aim Pyros.

>Pyro's afterburn damage on every fire-causing weapon but Degreaser increased from 6/sec to 8/sec.
This makes its key, unique mechanic- FIRE- more relevant part of its gameplay, making Pyro a bigger close-range threat to the recently buffed Spy and the powerful Scout. It also buffs Sharpened Volcano Fragment.

>Airblasting while in midair now knocks the Pyro back for 32 Hammer Units. This can be done 10/8/4/0 times depending on the primary Pyro is using, and works like the Force-A-Nature.
This will give Pyro the mobility technique it needs to be a viable offensive class in Competitive 6v6, allowing it to do skillful jumps to get in range to attack people. It's a way of giving Pyro mobility without buffing mindless W+M1.

>Backburner now has the additional stats of "+50% airblast jump height" and "-25HP on wearer".
This makes it the designated ambushing Pyro primary, encouraging a pick-oriented playstyle, since it's worse at direct combat, but better at mobility and crits from behind.

>Reserve Shooter now has its clip size reduced to 3, and now only "minicrits enemies who are below 50% HP and airborne" (similarly to Brass Beast/Natascha's damage resistance which only applies when below 50% HP and revved). This change also applies to Soldier.
This makes the Reserve Shooter less of a oneshot weapon, as the RS Pyro will have to soften up the target with conventional means first.
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>>376671436
all of this post but the last two
you can already do some jumps with pyro
also RS is fine as it is get your dirty hands off it
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>>376671664
>you can already do some jumps with pyro
you can do some real shitty gimped jumps if you give up your secondary

even if they relegate it to the backburner I want a pyro that's actually a mobile flankers, since that's what valve wants him to be
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>>376671436
>Pyro's Flamethrower range gets buffed by 50%, keeping the same maximum and minimum damage as it does now.
>This will allow Pyro to actually reach enemies to fight them, since its range is so pathetically low right now.
You have a shotgun and 3 flareguns.

Pyro has reach, you just aren't using it right.

>This means the Flamethrower will take more aim to use, thus in conjunction with the above buff rewarding good aim Pyros and punishing bad aim Pyros.

The particle should be reduced in size, but probably because it doesn't match its model/graphic


>Pyro's afterburn damage on every fire-causing weapon but Degreaser increased from 6/sec to 8/sec.
>This makes its key, unique mechanic- FIRE- more relevant part of its gameplay, making Pyro a bigger close-range threat to the recently buffed Spy and the powerful Scout. It also buffs Sharpened Volcano Fragment.
If you want more afterburn damage, don't use the degreaser.


>Airblasting while in midair now knocks the Pyro back for 32 Hammer Units. This can be done 10/8/4/0 times depending on the primary Pyro is using, and works like the Force-A-Nature.
This will give Pyro the mobility technique it needs to be a viable offensive class in Competitive 6v6, allowing it to do skillful jumps to get in range to attack people. It's a way of giving Pyro mobility without buffing mindless W+M1.

Detonator.

>Reserve Shooter now has its clip size reduced to 3, and now only "minicrits enemies who are below 50% HP and airborne" (similarly to Brass Beast/Natascha's damage resistance which only applies when below 50% HP and revved). This change also applies to Soldier.
This makes the Reserve Shooter less of a oneshot weapon, as the RS Pyro will have to soften up the target with conventional means first.

Maybe but I think reducing the clip size back down to 3 might make it less of a straight upgrade.
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>>376671436
In my opinion, the only changes that pyro really needs are the airblast jump that you mentioned, rebalancing on his movement/melees in general, and fixing the fact that the counter to a pyro with his flamethrower out is mindlessly strafing left and right next to a wall because of fire particles being so ass
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>>376671664
>you can already do some jumps with pyro
Detonator/Scorch Shot jumps are cool to watch, but wildly inefficient, like saying that trickstabs make Spy viable.

They cost large amounts of health in exchange for less mobility than rocket jumps grant to Soldier, or sticky jumps grant to Demo.

If Pyro is ever going to be a viable class in Valve's official competitive, it seriously needs mobility and range. Right now, it is highly outclassed by everyone at almost every single job possible. The only reason people run it in 6s is because of knocking back Ubers, which takes only 8 seconds per game. The only reason people run it in HL is because they're forced to, they'd drop Pyro for another Sniper or Soldier in an instant.

>also RS is fine as it is get your dirty hands off it
Surely you realize how much of the community hates RS. It's basically an upgrade to the Shotgun. Consider my post lenient, anon, because most people want the RS deleted from Pyro altogether, and Valve will listen to them eventually if they yell loud enough, so a nerf is for the best.
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>>376672082
The flame particles just don't work. Half the time they go further than the graphic/model for the flame, other times, not nearly as far. It's unreliable to know just how far it's actually going.
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>>376672125
>Right now, it is highly outclassed by everyone at almost every single job possible.
This is why I stopped playing pyro.

I ended up playing pyro like a gimped scout. After a while, I realized there was no benefit to playing pyro except to be braindead and backburn from time to time.
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>>376671975
>You have a shotgun and 3 flareguns.
And do those make Pyro viable in an actually serious game against people who know what they're doing? Absolutely not.
You're talking about going up against classes that have the Scattergun (a straight upgrade to the Shotgun in every way), the Rocket Launcher, the Stickybomb Launcher/Grenade Launcher, and the Sniper Rifle.

Hell, Soldier has a Shotgun of his own, and he's got 25 more HP than Pyro to boot.
Giving Pyro the tools to get in range to actually use its primary is extremely important if you want it to be able to COMPETE with the other classes.
>If you want more afterburn damage, don't use the degreaser.
I don't think you read my post right.
>Detonator.
See >>376672125
>Maybe but I think reducing the clip size back down to 3 might make it less of a straight upgrade.
I don't think you read my post right because I did suggest reducing the clip size back down to 3.
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>>376672281
Honestly just give the pyro a lightning gun that does reduced damage for every enemy that pierces or something, would remove the randomness of flame particles, would make the class require a little more skill and might make it useful, I don't really know what they can do with the mess that are flame particles in general. It's so stupid that I can set up 4 torrents and end up getting 50% more range just because the flame gods decide it to be so
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>>376671842
said shitty jumps can get you into all kinds if alternate routes without making you a fire spouting scout
leaving the pyro at less health means an even weaker pyro which is not desirable, consider a map like dustbowl or badwater with this in mind and you will see what i mean


>>376672125
RS should remain the way it is to punish people getting caught mid air and is the most viable way to fight jumpy enemies
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>>376672364
Yeah, there's just no reason to run Pyro. He's not the fastest on the ground, he's not the fastest in the air, he doesn't do the most damage even at CLOSE range, he doesn't have the longest range, and he doesn't have the highest health. It's just a mess.

So, what I want to do with Pyro is expand on its current role, which is a sort of bastard combat-support class, by giving it more combat tools so that its mediocre support elements are worth having.

Pyro will be TF2's only DoT offensive-support class, while Medic is pure support and Engineer is defensive-support.
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>>376672686
>leaving the pyro at less health means an even weaker pyro which is not desirable, consider a map like dustbowl or badwater with this in mind and you will see what i mean
well then you change to a different weapon
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>>376626279
The only thing the scorch shot really needs is to have it have the same afterburn penalty on it as the degreaser has and make the knockback only apply to burning targets.
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>>376672786
I feel the pyro's incendiary cannon in QTF, while a little strong, was pretty cool.

Though, if I get on the subject of QTF, we could be here all night.
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>>376672593
>Honestly just give the pyro a lightning gun
That's basically what I want to do with buffing the range and nerfing the width. It will reward Pyros for having pinpoint tracking.
>>376672686
>to punish people getting caught mid air
Being midair is meant to be a benefit of the respective classes, not something to get punished for. That's why Valve intentionally made Sentries have poor detection on airborne enemies.
Say what you want about game design though, my point stands. RS is strongly hated in the community and settling for a nerf is better than Valve removing the weapon entirely. With minicrits on enemies below 50% HP and airborne, you'd still be able to punish jumpy enemies, just not oneshot them.
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>>376673114
Incendiary cannon was scrapped because it made Pyro play too close in concept to the Soldier.
http://au.ign.com/articles/2007/04/10/team-fortress-2-interview-2?page=1
They brought it back (but weaker) in the form of Flare Gun, because although the Pyro having a rocket launching primary and shotgun secondary made it too similar to the Soldier, the Pyro having a flame thrower primary and rocket launching secondary left it plenty unique.
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>>376673152
I remember using the RS and playing pyro when it first came to pyro. A LOT.

My conclusion overall was that it was an OK sidegrade but not a straight upgrade when it was only 3 shots. I never thought I'd find myself saying it, but that one extra shot really makes it so much better than the regular stock shotgun.
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>>376671436

nah

>airblast ammo cost proportional to class weight; spamming a heavy into a corner will quickly drain the ammo
>player can airstrafe only after the third push
>you can charge the airblast at the cost of lots ammo (120) fully charged blast turns reflected proyectiles into crits. You cant attack while charging or you will stop the charge
>give pyro the beta detonator
>afterburn buff: damage tick is stronger but duration is shorter 7 of damage for 9.5 seconds (arround 67 in damage, nowdays the damage is 60) Afterburn is not a problem like it was back in the day
>backburner direct damage nerfed "backstab" damage unchange to avoid w+m1
>Third Degree now works as passive effect: only 20% of the damage goes to the medic or his patient this also effects you
>powerjack now overheals like back in the day
>homewrecker takes two hits to remove the sapper
>Scorch shot double donks if your flare hits the same person, reduced aoe to avoid spam
>FIX THE PARTICLE EFFECTS
>remove the deployment Axtinguisher nerf but keep attack speed nerf
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>>376662167
>traitorous scum
Not really.
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>>376673342
>Incendiary cannon was scrapped because it made Pyro play too close in concept to the Soldier.

I remember they looked similarly and worked kinda similarly.

But rocket jumping with it wasn't as viable. Also if memory serves, the incendiary canon had a slower projectile than rockets and fired at a slower rate, but did not need to be reloaded like the rocket launcher did.

The 'gimmick' at the time was that it could set people on fire through walls and do damage to buildings or set them on fire through walls, which brings up memories of using it to cook sentry guns from beneath with it without them firing back in 2fort4

Pyro also had this weird effect of using 2d flame sprites for the flamethrower as particles which could blind players up close because you can't see for shit through them up close.
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>>376673554
Your post strongly misses the point of changing Pyro at all.
Pyro is a class that's great in the hands of bad players against bad players (creating salt among those killed by it), and terrible in the hands of good players against good players (creating salt among those trying to use it).
The whole point of why people want Pyro changed at all is fixing that skill-indexing problem. That's why my post focuses on adding elements to the Pyro that take some skill to use.
Meanwhile, your post is just all gimmicks.

>airblast ammo cost proportional to class weight; spamming a heavy into a corner will quickly drain the ammo
But what does this add to gameplay? Why are we bothering to do this? Do you think Pyro isn't countered by Heavy enough or something?
>you can charge the airblast at the cost of lots ammo (120) fully charged blast turns reflected proyectiles into crits. You cant attack while charging or you will stop the charge
This is just a gimmick. All the Soldier or Demoman has to do is either pull their Shotgun or fire stickies. Scouts don't have to give a fuck at all. It's not going to help with Pyro massacring shitters, and it's not going to help with Pyros being massacred by comp players.
>>give pyro the beta detonator
Fixing a class with unlockables isn't the right idea. You have to fix the base class itself, rather than making the game P2W.
>>backburner direct damage nerfed "backstab" damage unchange to avoid w+m1
So you're nerfing the Backburner, one of Pyro's least used primary weapons, for literally no reason.

Your post is just a jumble of gimmicks that don't actually make the Pyro a better part of the game who's fun to fight as and against.
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>>376674093

First two? Granted they are gimmick

>Fixing a class with unlockables isn't the right idea. You have to fix the base class itself, rather than making the game P2W.


While Im lad they buff the detonator, nothing is gonna top the beta detonator in terms of jumps

>So you're nerfing the Backburner, one of Pyro's least used primary weapons, for literally no reason.

Backburner is one of the most used weapons for bad players, forcing people to use it in the right way is how it should be done.

Also if you didnt bitch about the rest guess I take it as a good thing
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