>already fucking dead Holy shit Relic must be panicking

>>376614769
If you don't know it by now, Denuvo is a death sentence for any game it is slapped onto.

>turned it into a MOBA with three (3) races

They deserve it.

>>376615120
is what pirates tell themselves to be able to sleep at night.

>>376615120
Nier had Denuvo?

>>376615151
Agreed. After all the money I had given them and loyalty I had for them for all the previous games, and then they shat this out and had the audacity to say "THIS IS THE GAME YOU WANTED"

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DoW 1 is way better.
DoW 2 is way better.

Love both of these games.
DoW 3 is a fucking garbage.

SHAME

>>376615167
I love it when shitters assume whatever they like here on /v/.

Sorry to disappoint you shitter but i buy my games and i can tell you with 100% certainty that without pirates buffing up the game population early on the interest dies out pretty fast.

So i bought the game but there is nobody playing it. Fuck you!
Pirates are what keep my favorite games alive.Because of Denuvo game communities are minute early on and games die out really fast...
So who is on the loosing side?ME!Again cus i payed for a game that died out in a week.Fuck publishers.

it never looked the least bit interesting after you finished the awesome trailer and the ingame footage was released
>mediocre, sterile look
>basebuilding is back and more mediocre than ever
>assfaggots inspiration and fucking skillshots
>less terrain mechanics, cover is some abstract structure for some reason
>basically nothing new or interesting whatsoever
company of heroes looks more futuristic and advanced for the RTS genre and that game is eleven fucking years old

I don't understand why companies never try to advance the genre in the least, why make a game in a dead genre if you're not going to try and revitalize it?

what the fuck were they thinking with that gamemode

>>376615241
>weeb garbage
kek

>>376614769
"DoW 3 is dead" is my favourite meme of 2017 right after "DoW 3 is a MOBA"

I've been playing it and enjoying it
Some changes are weird but overall it's playable

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>>376615534

>>376615797
Weren't Overwatch and Hots supposed to be dead too?

>>376615598
Cause the suits dont want development, they want to use the bare minimum and see if it gets em money. And still it does enough.

>>376615598
>basically nothing new or interesting whatsoever
But you're wrong anon! The heroes now have MOBA-like skills!

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>>376615797
>3700 online
it's pathetic.

Didn't even know it came out

>>376615797
>dow3 active players
http://steamcharts.com/app/285190

>active players of the HD mod of a 20 year old game, where the main part of the community doesnt even play on steam
http://steamcharts.com/app/221380

Toppest of the keks

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>>376615534

>>376614769
Why couldn't it just be a complex tactics game? Why'd it have to become a generic MOBA?

I just want an awesome tactics game with sexy modern vfx.

>>376618323
They fucked up even on the VFX department as the game looks like ass and a shitty Starcraft ripoff. The artstyle is god damn horrendous

>>376617848
>3k players

God damn

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>>376617848
>http://steamcharts.com/app/221380
While i dont think DOW3 is that bad, and i played it a bit in beta, what the other guy said, denuvo is a death sentence for community and overall game popularity these days.

It doesnt help that there are only 3 races and not too many maps from what i hear, even tho i dig the heroes/doctrine idea they had this time around.

>>376619243
As someone who loved DoW 1 i didnt like 3 at all.

But i didnt like 2 either so i expected to not like 3 to be fair about it.

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>>376615167
>Mfw I pirate everything first, but always buy a game for full price as direct from the developer as possible if it's good and doesn't have drm
>Mfw I wait for denuvo games to be cracked and never pay anything for them and shit talk them everywhere even if I loved them

I vote with my wallet faggot. They should bring back demos and pre release reviews back if they don't like it. And get rid of performance killing drm that will kill the game completely in the future.

Bout to try far cry primal and Deus ex now that they are cracked. But they'll never see a dime from me.

Dumb fucks could learn a thing or two from Witcher 3.

>>376619773
3 is like a middleground between 2 and 1 except it just kept the worst parts of each

>if a game doesn't have 100 000 people online at any point in time time it's dead

I'd argue it was never alive to begin with since OP and many other shitposters keep making threads like this. It must be a slow week.

>>376619939
And on top of that they fucking shoved in MOBA mechanics, made the visuals horrendous and didn't even have the same voice actor for Gabriel Angelos

>>376620049
>Fewer actual moba mechanics than 2
>Visuals just aren't gritty, which makes the 'Muh grimdark' crowd sperg out
>None of the VAs came back except for Brian, as the rest were likely either too busy or on strike

>>376620484
>'Muh grimdark' crowd

So like every single 40k fan?
I mean they knew that is the target audience and that this isnt a blizzard series

>>376615797
See this >>376617562 ?
Not only that but we can't even get 100 replies on /v/.I would love to meme up my orks but since the game is not cracked there is barely anyone playing the game and discussing it.

DRM literally kills games.

Thank you Denuvo for killing this game like you did with all the rest.

>>376620484
The MOBA mechanics are still there regardless, and removing the gritty grim dark from a series known for grim dark is fucking retarded. And the voice actors they found to replace the previous ones are shit. They fucked it all up tremendously

>>376620778
I dont think its denuvos fault that Relic made a bad game that consumers dont want

>>376620484
>Series is known for being grimdark
>Decide to not make it the style that the fans recognise and enjoy

This is a retarded move by Relic anon.

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>>376620765
>>376620849
>>376621007

Any 40k fan who isn't an idiot knows the Grimdark of 40k is a literal parody of the word, especially with the recent turn in fluff. If anything, the fluff going down the super-Grimdark is miles worse, precisely because it tries to be overly dark. Just look at the track record behind the HH books.

40k is better not being grimdark.

>>376615797
DoW 3 already has smaller player base than CoH2

http://steamcharts.com/cmp/285190,231430#7d

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>>376621316
It hasn't been a parody for years anon.

>>376614769
I played 4 hours
My regret is not stopping before 2 hours so I could refund this pile of shit

>>376621564
>He says as the setting stops being Grimdark

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>it's this thread again

And as always, despite the expansion/s the game will no doubt recieve, /v/ will continue shitting on it until DoW4 comes out. Then DoW3 will turn out to be a magically perfect game all of a sudden, just like you niggers did with DoW2.

It's the same with the Elder Scrolls series. It's like clockwork.

>>376621790
Nice assumptions but i only liked DoW1.

I still think 2 is shit as is 3

>not shit gamemodes
>more factions (inevitable DLC)
It will bounce back a little but never fully from such a shitty launch

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still waiting for a last stand in 3 before i grab my copy

company 2 is doing pretty well considering the shitstorm that was TBF release

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>>376622265
>inculding battleborne

>>376615120

I think it's less about Denuvo and DoWIII being a pretty awful compared to DoW2 and DoW1.

>>376622559

I don't get why people are saying it's awful. The campaign is solid and the multiplayer has been really good. My primary complaint is the perfomance, especially in menus. Aside from that it's a great game.

>>376615598
Its problably way easier to code AI and shit the more abstract the gameplay mechanics are.

>>376620950
I think it is Denuvo's fault for limiting the player base.I like the game and there could've been more people like me if not for Denuvo.

Now it is just a few of us stuck with a game that is become dead at an alarming speed.

Denuvo kills games.

>>376623072
>campaign is solid
>literally another "IT WAS A KHORNE DEMON!1!1!!"
>Doesnt even have Chaos Space Marines

Shit game on all fronts

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>all the shills pre-release rabidly defending this
>this massive flop

I am so smug over this. How does it feel, shills? How does it feel that your wannabe MOBA flopped?

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It''s been out for 2 weeks and already has less players than 4 year old coh 2.
It's simply fucking boring, and I mostly blame the game mode, it's absolutely abysmal. They could have included annihilation or vps too, but then no one would play this shit, which they wanted to live and draw in moba players. They took a risk with it and they paid for it.
If it was a bit better game it could have become quite good in the future after fixes and expansions, like Coh2 and Dow2, but it's obvious even life support won't keep it alive for long with these numbers. It's pretty much C&C4 or Supcom 2 again.

How the fuck am I even supposed to play games like this after playing Men of War? Either go that route, or go the massive scale route like Wargame or Supreme Commander.

This middle ground rock-paper-scissor gameplay style with no ballistics and shit being just a pool of health doesn't cut it anymore.

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>After years of refining our DoW and CoH franchise, we have a pretty good idea of what our fans expect and enjoy, and it gets critical acclaim too
>Yes, it's obvious what we should do for another game
>LETS DO SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY

>>376624814
>>Yes, it's obvious what we should do for another game
Which is?

>>376623072
>campaign
>solid
>short as fuck
>glorified tutorial
How is this campaign solid in comparison to literally any other DoW campaign, other than maybe Retribution. Retribution was the most bland but at least it let you freely choose your race.

>>376623802
But DoW2 was a success.

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>>376614769
Wow the game is shit who saw that coming

>>376614769
Welp, while I'm glad it flopped and taught those shit devs a lesson, I'm sad because now we'll nevr get a DoW4 that's pretty much just DoW1, but updated.

>inb4 muh basebuilding is shit

>>376623371
>Denuvo kills games.
Denuvo is literally irrelevant, just like your opinion of it.
I didn't buy DoW 3 because it played like a genuinely garbage game in the beta. I wouldn't have known if it had Denuvo if crybabies like you wouldn't keep talking about it. It having or not having Denuvo had nothing to do with me not purchasing it, and I honestly doubt it had an affect on anyone who wasn't born with a batch of extra chromosomes like you.

>>376623476
>>literally another "IT WAS A KHORNE DEMON!1!1!!"
You say that as if that isn't the case 80% of the time.

See, this is how it works; It's either Genestealers/Nids, Necrons, or Chaos.
Eldar are too hard to do as villains, DEldar don't exist, Orks are virtually NEVER the big bad, and Tau don't exist.

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And yet, you guys will be shitposting all summer.

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Its more wannabe SC2 than MOBA

>>376624370
a 4 year old CoH2 with tons of DLC support and updates.

>>376625756
>BUT THEY'LL FIX IT.jpg

>>376625832
>Yes and?.jpg

Wasn't relic already in trouble money-wise? Are they fucked now or I can just wait for Coh3 and hope they learned their lesson?

>>376615797
get fucked you memeing faggot, literally every post replying to yours REKT your faggot ass

>>376626024
Anon, at this point no one is working on Coh3 . And DoW3 had like 3 versions made, before and after THQ. The result was a hastily Frankenstein mess of assets put together. If they cant start from scratch they certainly cant develop a new game in the first place.

>>376626024
According to /v/ Relic should've been dead when they released DoW2. Then after that, then after that, then after that, then....well. But seriously Sega acquiring them put a lot of damage to them but CoH2 has been doing fine.

>>376625363

The only way i can see them making the Orks look imposing again is if they bring back The Beast.

I know it's farfetched, but what I hope for now is that they'll need money so much they return to updating Coh2 as a stop-gap measure. I'd buy another faction expansion.
I've only seen this happen once though, DLC for Wargame after Act of Aggression flopped.

>>376614769
>MOBA
>DENUVO
>CONTENT CUT TO MAKE DLC

RiP in peace

>>376626024

No, DoW 2 made them a lot of money, CoH 2 has done well too, THQ went down and they got bought by Sega, at which point they started working on DoW 3.

>>376626454
DoW2 while disappointing, was still a competent game that was enjoyable and also had Last Stand.

DoW3 was an obvious attempt at pulling in MOBA faggots, while pissing off original fans and attracting neither market except retards who buy the game off of hype, play it once and never touch it again, which by the way, is an extremely small market

I'm one of those faggots that only ever played the campaigns in DoW and even I have to admit its a bit fucking shit. Its just nothing compared with either of the previous games.

It doesnt help that they choose the three most boring armies to base an entire game around. So being forced into playing a mission as all three one after another becomes disjointed as fuck, the pretty major changes in each armies specific playstyles just becomes jarring when you jump between them. Having to remember and change back to running away and ranged as Eldar when I'd just been running straight at people with the Orks.

>>376626889
They started DoW 3 before the THQ liquidization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRn99jpHkbA

There were pretty much 3 versions of DoW3, one pre-thq bust, post-thq by another company, and then the current SEGA version which is a mashup of the 2 former ones.
The tortured development explains the mishmash of MP mechanics, but the menus, lack of maps, and threadbare campaign was probably only developed in a short span of time.

>>376627072

Whats worse is that they kept the dow2 style missions but fucking removed the rpg mechanics which made it interesting and made it linear as fuck.

>>376614769
they are panicking but my wallet is not

sales will come quickly for this

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>>376625450

>>376627259
The damage has been done, not even sales will save this game

>>376627120

I didn't rewatch the video, but i thought they said that the current DoW 3 didn't start until after Sega bought them.

>>376626916
>DoW2 while disappointing, was still a competent game that was enjoyable and also had Last Stand.

wew lad. It's obvious that you're not present anywhere during DoW2 beta and release. The numerous amount of gamebreaking bugs and shit balance ruin the game for months until the big update which included Last Stand. I thought that game was dead 2 months with the zero positive thread about DoW2 on /v/ and pretty much everywhere else but here we are.

If you're talking about MOBA fags being annoying cunts then you weren't here when the base-building fags and SC2 fags bombarding the everliving shit out of DoW2.

>No fucking Chaos.
>1v1, 2v2, or 3v3
>NO
>FUCKING
>CHAOS

>>376627183

No they didn't, there is 1 mission that i've played so far that was like a DoW 2 mission where you only control Gabe, Terminators and then Diomedes and you stomp through a bunch of Ork and Eldar, that's the only DoW 2 like mission i've encountered and that has been the best mission in the campaign so far, all the other missions were generic with base building and resource points but it takes decades to get any resources so the missions last for fucking ever, there also might as well not be an AI playing as the enemy since they only react to your actions when you trigger something that makes them spawn enemies from nowhere and shit.

I just stopped playing the campaign after the mission where you have to teleport your eldar base across multiple islands while having access to only 3 resource points at the most at any one time.

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>>376627601
Do people even play spiky marines on the table anymore?

>>376619981
Fuck man RO2 has more people online than DOW3. You don't need 100 000 constantly to be successful, but having the same amount as a niche game, from a far more bloated market from 10 years ago within a few weeks of your release is hardly a good sign.

>>376627259
I don't want to buy this on sales or even play this for free. After playing the beta for one day I couldn't be more disinterested. It's not even that terrible, but there's at least a hundred games I would spend my time playing before considering this. 6/10 game, its Grey Goo or Supcom 2 tier.

>>376627701
Nigga I don't live in a city why the fuck would I play tabletop?

>>376615151
I guess they thought because starcraft had three races they could get away with it?

Doesn't warhammer have like 9 factions or some shit?
It's hard to feel sorry for devs who jewed themselves out of their own game.

>>376627701
Are people playing 40k for that matter? I'd assume it's dying cause of ever increasing model prices and vidya being more and more popular alternative

>>376627703
I dont think DoW3 is good but I the RTS niche that's not on Battle.net is pretty dead. DoW3 looks far more alive than Ashes of Singularity for instance.

Don't think im cherry-picking, im just trying to illustrate why I dispute your claim that this game (DoW3) should get more active players on the basis that its in a smaller niche.

>>376627696
Campagin would honestly be decent/good if the ressource rate was higher and the ai didn't wait for you to kill them.

I liked the start until you survived the three orks wave in that second ork mission but afterwards you're here sitting for several minutes waiting for the ressources to come so you canfinally win. If the ressource gain were higher and the last orks actually sent unit to kill you it would have been a really nice mission but nope.

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>>376628136

>>376627405
They said the same shit for both CoH2 and DoW2. Fuck, I remember pro players from CoH1 saying CoH2 wouldn't even survive a month because it is too dumbed down. I'll wait for the first few updates and xpacs to see where this is going. If it isn't going anywhere then maybe I'll declare it dead but if it goes the way of DoW and CoH2 we might have an interesting Relic cycle.

>>376627946

40k has over 10 big factions, obviously it's stupid to expect them to release a game with 10 fleshed out factions right at the start but it does feel like the game desperately needed a 4th faction, it just feels barebones right now.

>RTS
>poor campaign
>poor options for custom games
>wonder why it does poorly

DoW 2, at least, had a decently fun campaign in its games. This was a just straight garbage.

>>376628136
Soulstorm regularly has over 1000+ players and that game is almost 10 years old

DoW3 is down too 3000 in under 2 weeks

>>376628348
*DoW2

DoW3 just feels kinda lame to me, i don't know how else to explain what i feel about it. DoW 2 was very different from 1 so i understand why a lot of people didn't like it, but it was a good game and it nailed the 40k vibe in my opinion even better than DoW 1.

This is just, eh. If they release mod tools the game can be saved, because it has some good solid foundations, but the game itself as it is right now is just boring imo, maybe in a couple of expansions and DLC packs it will be good, but they should just release mod tools.

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>>376628375
Feels like they just held back so they could DLC shill. Same thing that killed battlefront.

>>376628637

The custom maps people have been making have made the game a little bit tolerable like Helion's Gate, where the modder put the cores behind the player bases, so you have to play the game like a normal rts instead of rushing for the core, but the game still has problems at its core like how simplified the units are.

>>376621790

there's 3k people playing it on the only platform available

you're a delusional fucking retard and no 4th installment is ever happening

>check out dow3 stream on twitch
>its just spamming aoe stun abilities

seriously. people just use assault marines and banshees. the only viable ork strategy is to catapult boyz with war trukk. every. single. game

>>376615606
>m..muuh weeb..

His argument is still valid.

>>376628637
I dislike how almost every units comes pretty much complete from the get go, you don't have to research assault marine jump or whatever, or even elites abilities, they all come with everything outside of some boring passive upgrades.

The current assault marine issue could be easily fixed by adding shit like this but nope, let's allow them to aoe jump stun your shit forever from the get go while slapping you and your base with true damage. And if somehow they get in danger just jump out and run.

>>376628845

I don't even care about that anymore to be honest, i've come to accept the reality of the situation that in the CURRENT YEAR every game will be jewed all the way to fuck with DLC, it's just the way things are now.

As long as the DLC are races, and things like elites can be just bought with skulls i'm fine with it.

>>376629483

I fucking hate how tactical marines have only two weapons or that devastators were made two units for the sake of speedy esports gameplay.

>>376623072
Even if you ignore the story being shit the campaign is still shit in terms of gameplay. It's boring, linear, uninspired trash.

Multiplayer is very lackluster and has too many flaws. The only type of players you'll find are those using super cheesy strats to win or full-retarded shitters who coudn't micro to save their life and barely move.

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>people praising CoH2 ITT

FUCK YOU GUYS I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THE SHIT HEAP THAT IS COH2 WHAT A FUCKING BETRAYAL AND DISAPPOINTMENT

>>376627595
This is a myth. People did not hate on DoW 2 nearly as much as DoW 3 has gotten. You are overexaggerating.

>>376630156

What's so wrong about it? Aside from the gutted doctrines, the tuning mods make it even better.

That said they really need to release a mod kit though so that we can add custom models.

>>376630156
jesus christ this. i have over 2000 hours on coh1 and 2 just feels like an empty skeleton of a game with no soul.

i miss company of heroes online

>>376630312
>why you dont like game X? if you mod it so its different its ok!

>>376630130
>Multiplayer is very lackluster and has too many flaws.
m8 it's better than DoW2 and CoH2 release.

>People who haven't played DoW3
It's a MOBA
>People who played DoW3 during the beta weekend.
It's a shitty MOBA
>People who played more than just the beta weekend.
It's a mediocre RTS with heavy influences from MOBAs

>>376630156
That's like, your opinion, man. The only gripe I could have with it compared to 1 is DLC commanders, but in the end it's more content for the game I've sunk 2 thousand hours into, so it's fine. If I had to say which one is better, it's 1, sure, but maybe by like 5% on a 100% scale.

>>376630156
But you're opinion is factually wrong
CoH2>>>>>CoH1

*throws mic*

>>376630439

Why does it matter? I myself barely play vanilla CoH anyway. The Japanese faction mod is fucking neat.

This is not a console game. PC games are definitely reliant upon its own community.

>>376630312
Faction imbalance. Fucked up infantry combat. Homogenized tank stats. Faction imbalance. Broken commanders. The range on AT guns.

>>376630554
*your

>>376627726
how is supcom2 compared to supcom

>>376630454
According to your subjective opinion. Mine is different. But looking at the numbers of how many people are left still playing this game after only 2 weeks, I think it's safe to say more people would share my opinion than yours.

>>376630589

>implying there wasnt faction imbalance in CoH1 either

Merricans and the Brits were fucking overpowered man. That said, yeah the Soviets could have been done better. They always got stomped when against the Germans.

>>376630589
Please don't pretend Coh1 was any more balanced than 2 when it had Brits.

>>376614769
WELL NO SHIT

MOBA TRASH SUCKS ASS

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>>376614769
JUST

pretty sad to see the franchise end on this note
maybe I'll consider buying it when it's on sale (50% or more) or when they actually have more than 1 gamemode/3 factions in the game, but until then I'll be keeping my money

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>>376615151
spbp

I bought and enjoyed all of DOW 1 and 2, was initially excited at the prospect of DOW 3 but seeing what they've turned it into I have no desire whatsoever to play it.

>>376630879
As a game dev how does this make you not want to just kill yourself jesus christ. It hasn't even been a full month yet.

>>376630589
I see your point but was there ever any balanced Relic Game?

>>376630787
There was faction imbalance, but at least it was directed faction imbalance.

In the first game the allies had a way stronger start and more tactical options and the axis had the better late game and was stronger in terms of brute strength.

In CoH2 all that went out the window, suddenly britain has the best tanks and commander abilities under the sun but it's okay because OKW has good starting infantry

>>376631119
They deserve every bit of hate they get, I feel literally no pity for them whatsoever. I fucking loved Dawn of War 1&2 and seeing what they did to the franchise makes me furious and hope for their studio to be shut down

>>376630848
>>376630787
fucking plebs think allies were the better faction in 1, brits are miles more overpowered in 2

Battleborn thread?

>>376631187
No, but they did a great job at sucking the fun out of their last two games

I think the fact it only came wit 3 races out of the box is a problem, I suppose they are hoping to nail that DLC with adding more races. But at least 5 should have been in the box.

The lack of content, limited factions and horrendous balance contributed to its downfall.

It was rushed

>>376614769
>it released like three weeks ago
what the fuck, didn't even know about it
dont really care to buy it with that shit art style and soulless looking gameplay though

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>>376631281
>british forces release
>churchhill could casually kill 3 paks off and lumber off with half hp
>bren carriers basically an mg team with no setup time that could fire on the move
>lol bofors

>>376624814

Relic has never done a sequel that follows the previous game's formula

DoW, 2 and 3 are all vastly different from each other, with 2 being the installment.

>>376630727
Don't know about CoH2 but DoW2 was similar m8. hardly any people after just a couple weeks in.

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>>376621679
The galaxy was cleaved in half and the northern part of the galaxy is cut off at the mercy of xenos, daemons, and heretics. 3/4 more or less of the Imperium has gone dark.

Less grimdark? don't kid yourself. Girlyman little Crusade won't change a thing. Humanity will suffer unimaginable pain and horror in the coming days. All thanks to Abaddon whom the Imperials failed to kill or stop for 10K years.

>>376624814
Gottah try and cash in on that MOBA money 10 years late.

>>376631560
>oh by the way we gave them firestorm from terror doctrine xD

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>>376631879
This is all the fault of you guys wanting plot progress.

>>376630070
esports are literally cancer to interesting and fun game design. I have no fucking idea why Relic thought anyone wanted an esports friendly DOW3.

>>376632152
And it's awesome

>>376631618
this
didn't like DoW 2 because it was too different

>>376631618

the worst*

>>376631879
but what did Roboute talk about with the Emp
and what did Cypher want with him

>>376632152
But that's good
As long as it doesn't take a step too far and turn into Age of Emperor it's all good

>>376632152
Well they had to try and make Abaddon threatening.

>>376632357
Nobody can talk with the Emperor. His mind no longer there or is functioning in an alien way.

And Cypher want with the Emperor has to do with the sword he is carrying.

>>376631879
>All thanks to Abaddon whom the Imperials failed to kill or stop for 10K years
They've literally been stopping him for those 10k years. Even breaking Cadia cost him an utterly hilarious amount of resources, including a Blackstone Fortress, and he personally got his ass kicked by Celestine.

And did you not listen to Guilliman's speech? They're not just refilling chapters, he's remaking marines to be even stronger. Now the Eldar are basically on his side, the Necrons are iffy but Trazyn would rather help them than hurt, and the fucking Orks of all species are set to beat back the 'ominous looming threat' that is the Tyranids.

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>>376632152
>that hole 3 times the size of the Eye of Terror

>>376632185
they didn't care if anyone wanted it or not, it's what corporate wants so it's what they make.
This is pretty much the future for all games under the RTS genre until some indie dev comes along and fixes it.
Triple A shit hasn't been original for awhile and I hate it.

>>376632609
But Jaq Draco did talk with him. Presumably Roboute did too. He is Warp energies made flesh, that should make things easier.

>>376632298
>the best*
FTFY

>>376630454

Who gives a fuck about how it was "at release"? Is this not a sequel? Is not the third fucking game in the franchise? Should we not expect the developers to have learned and gained experience from their two forays into this genre?

If DoW 1 and DoW 2 had poor design at release, that just means that Relic should have learned from their mistakes and DoW 3 should have an amazing release. Don't be an idiot.

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the steam reviews are fucking brutal.

>>376628227
But isn't literally only used by AMD fags, and AMD themselves) for their biased as fuck DX12 benchmarks?
It always felt like NOTHING but a fucking benchmark.

>>376622265
I know CoH 2 was Jewtastic, but it's still a much more enjoyable game than DoW 3 will ever be. Simple stuff like a battle going back and forth, territory shifting hands as people outmenouever each other, just never happens in DoW 3. Every game I've played has been decided by the 5th minute, yet the games can still drag on for an hour.

>>376621790
I like 1 and 2 but hate 3. Although I really only liked Retribution.

Playing Retribution with /v/ was some good times.

>>376632609
The Necron phase blade? (Or C'tan shard, I don't know about the fluff anymore)
Does he wanna stick it into the Emp or what
couldn't he just make do with a regular power sword

>>376632876
Mistakes? poor design? m8 you do realize that those 2 game are of different genres right? DoW1 was your typical RTS while DoW2 is more like ARPG/RTT kind of thing.

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>>376632828
>But Jaq Draco did talk with him.
>Inquisition War
>Canon

>>376633057
He lost the phase knife a long time ago.

What we don't know is what the sword he has been carrying if for. Only that Guilliman took a look at it and felt uneasy, so he had Cypher thrown into jail on Terra.

Naturally Cypher escaped, so he may be roaming the palace right now.

>>376633260
Guilliman (and Space Marines in general) feel uneasy about many things
I guess it takes another decade or two until we know

>>376632634
>They've literally been stopping him for those 10k years.

No, they didn't. All Black Crusades achieved their objectives from collecting artefacts, gaining favor of the gods, uniting the legions, and most importantly destroying Necron pylons around the galaxy would let to all of this. The Inquisition, Admech, and Grey Knights knew that Abaddon had a greater goal with his crusade but they failed to deduce it until the galaxy was torn asunder. They noted the increasing power of Chaos after every Black Crusade, the weakening in the walls of reality but did nothing. The Eldar figured it out but they were so late to act.

>Even breaking Cadia cost him an utterly hilarious amount of resources,

Not really. The setbacks were mostly caused by Be'lakor's fuck up and Trazyn's meddlings. The Imperials were pathatically incapable of protecting Cadia on their own. Their armies and fleets were swept aside and mattered nothing at all in the final accounting.

And everything Abaddon lost was worth it for spawning the Great Rift and attaining infinite daemonic reinforcements and putting the galaxy on a doomsday timer. As things as stand if the Great Rift is not stopped via soon the galaxy will be destroyed shortly.

>and he personally got his ass kicked by Celestine.

Nope, it was a 6 vs 1. He beat all their asses. When Abaddon was torturing Creed, she stabbed him in the back and ran. If you know marine biology then you would know that's a minor wound. Abaddoon then was forced to retreat after the Cadians swarmed the area to save Creed. Then he went back to his original plan.

>and the fucking Orks of all species are set to beat back the 'ominous looming threat' that is the Tyranids.

No,

Ghaz is going back Armageddon

>Trazyn would rather help them than hurt

Decided playing a savior is not worth his time anymore.

>Now the Eldar are basically on his side,

Only the Ynnari and for now.

> he's remaking marines to be even stronger.

Chaos will have them too

>>376632984
Worst part is we will get one of two outcomes from all of this:
1) Devs ignore it and jew out again next game
2)We just don't get a next game
It feels like big devs don't even listen to feedback anymore because all the yes man youtubers they paid off said they liked it.

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>>376614769
>yfw when you didn't waste your money on this travesty

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It's not fair bros. It was 40K's time to shine!

>>376632828
Inquisition Wars is a HERETIC TOME. Meaning it's not canon. One of the few books that GW outright said was not canon. Not even Goto books had that treatment that was how bad the novel was.

And Jaq talked to a shard of his mind.

>>376632984
DoW3 user review is a walk in the park compared to CoH2 user review.

>>376633210

Do you know what a red herring is?

>>376633519
Well it could be the Lion Sword, so it could have to do with Lion'el Jonson. There are no proofs though.

Also, Guilliman initially agreed to carry Cypher with him to Terra and the Emperor, until he got a look at the sword. Then he decided that it was not happening.

>>376633226
>>376633776
Even so, the point stands. Guilliman is practically a Daemon of the Emperor. If anyone has a chance to talk with, its a Primarch.

>>376633260
He didn't lose because time warp shenanigans made him have it and not have it at the same time.

>624.M36 A Blade out of Time

>Although impossible to fix in time, this seems to be the first recorded instance where Cypher is seen carrying the C’tan phase knife – a weapon similar to the C’tan phase sword used by the Callidus Assassins. The blade of the knife can phase in and out of real-space by dimensional realignment, so it is capable of bypassing armour and protective fields. The knife was at some point lost in battle with the C’tan known as the Deceiver in the opening stages of the 13th Black Crusade, however, the battle occurred in the Warp and seems to have been subject to a strange loop in either the time continuum or reality itself. Cypher is most often seen without the blade, but true to its name, the knife occasionally phases back into being beneath his cloak.

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>>376633776
>Rewrite chunks of IW to remove all references to Squats
>Still not canon
What the fuck are they doing

>>376633934
>Even so, the point stands.

It doesn't. Nobody have been able to talk to the Emperor for thousands of years. Even the most potent psykers who tried were reduced to ash the moment they tried.

And Girlyman is no daemon.

>>376634047
Well, considering that the Primarchs all disappeared, died or were corrupted soon after Emperor went down and even the most potent psykers aren't a match for them, nobody really had a good chance.

Then again, I suppose Roboute went in, realized he wasn't there anymore and that's why he decided not to say anything.

Not that he'd say even if he did answer

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Did they ever confirm who won Soulstorm?

>>376634508
Gorgutz

>>376633831
Thats because CoH 2 made russians angry as fuck

Thats not really comparable with the DoW3 situation

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>>376634508

>>376634548
Really? Where was this in game if you don't mind me asking

>>376633640
>This is what Chaosfags actually believe

Sorry your big win just got stepped on by two women and an old toaster.

>>376634508
It was fucking Gorgutz.

>>376634548
>>376634648
>>376634686
>It was fucking Gorgutz.
How in the fuck could that retard ever win that

>>376634667
The post above you.

>>376634819
Because ORKS ARE DA BIGGEST AN DA STRONGEST.

>>376634819
The same old way orks always win. Endless numbers.

>>376634686
This is what the fluff says. The north of the galaxy now belongs to the forces of darkness. Welcome to the Age of the Dark Imperium begins.

Normally I'd say that this thread now belongs to the Craftworlds.

But with those player numbers, we don't want it.

>>376635127
There are more Lamenters than there are players of DoW3

>>376633671
They weren't listening to feedback when they released that alpha footage.
I'd say both the shills/yesmen and Relic/sega are to blame for this.

And fuck their research team who came to the conclusion that we wanted a SC2 clone with some MOBAesque shit to it.

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That Ork theme tho

>>376635127
Compared to newer RTS excluding SC2, it has the highest player right alongside CoH2. Yes RTS is THAT dead